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Satellite of Love? · Made of Stars

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  Speaker 1: Warning.
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  Speaker 2: The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
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  Speaker 2: and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
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  Speaker 2: known to learn about astronomical phenomenon the scientific method, and
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  Speaker 2: expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar, asterism and uranus. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: that's your own risk.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. When made of stars, made them stars, made sizes.
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  Speaker 1: When made of stars, you could be from high they
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  Speaker 1: would New Mexicomus.
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  Speaker 3: Where are stars? When we are made of stars?
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  Speaker 4: I'm Wes Carol, joined by my good friend doctor Seawan Cruz,
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  Speaker 4: an executive direct or at Columbus State University's Coca Cola
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  Speaker 4: Space Science Center.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Sean, Hey Wes, could it be here today? For
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  Speaker 1: the second week in a row, we have an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Colazakhstan.
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  Speaker 4: We do without the theme song no Borat music, which
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  Speaker 4: still makes me sad.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me sad too, I know our former radio
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  Speaker 1: listeners are certainly sad.
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  Speaker 4: I think, and this is the tricky part about this.
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  Speaker 4: I think we could get away with it. I really do,
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  Speaker 4: if we keep it to like, you know, seven seconds
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  Speaker 4: or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It is, even just two seconds might be.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't want to roll the dice on it.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's where it becomes you know, it starts getting tricky, don't.
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  Speaker 1: They have like AI blocking algorithms now, so like it's
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  Speaker 1: not no, you can't negotiate like oh fair use No,
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  Speaker 1: you're just you're just blocked.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we could get AI to create our version of
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  Speaker 4: it slightly different, some other version of it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you can probably pull that one. We
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  Speaker 1: could maybe figure out a way to do it AI tools.
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  Speaker 4: It might it might take it might take like a
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  Speaker 4: hundred tries, which you know, some of those AI services
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  Speaker 4: you get like you can have ten tries a day,
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  Speaker 4: and then you go, well, if it's gonna take us
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  Speaker 4: one hundred, it's going to take us ten days to
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  Speaker 4: find one that sounds right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have it was just reminiscent of
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  Speaker 1: the you know, of the original, it probably would be.
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  Speaker 1: That's all that we really need. I think we would
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  Speaker 1: be fine. I really do. But I just I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've I've I've had I've had shows taken down
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  Speaker 4: for different reasons. I you know, you make somebody feel
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  Speaker 4: uncomfortable a little bit, and I am not a controversial
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  Speaker 4: show host, So I don't really know why I made
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  Speaker 4: anybody feel uncomfortable, But I digress. We have multiple shows
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  Speaker 4: that really are diving into some of the technical stuff,
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  Speaker 4: the space exploration side of things.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll start in Kazakhstan because the soy Us has
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  Speaker 4: has landed safely. And is this the same thing that
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  Speaker 4: went up and blew up their launch pad or is
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  Speaker 4: this is this a different one or.
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  Speaker 1: Did that happen? No, that was just last week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so well, technically the event happened on Thanksgiving Day. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about it last week. That was the other one, right,
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  Speaker 1: So they sent up another crew and on their way
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  Speaker 1: up they blew up the launchpad. The repair is we
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  Speaker 1: don't know when, which means the Russians won't be launching
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  Speaker 1: anybody back up there until they get that launch pad fixed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean minimum estimates are sounding like six months. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that was a story we talked about last week. But
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  Speaker 1: at least we have a way to get them up there,
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  Speaker 1: so we can. We still can, and maybe thumb goes
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  Speaker 1: for a while because they charged us for a while,
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  Speaker 1: the thumb goes up, the car goes by, right, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's it is so that so that and more anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So right now, what happened is a crew returned from
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  Speaker 1: space a bordoso use. This was a spacecraft that was
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  Speaker 1: carrying NASA's Johnny Kim. And if you follow space news
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  Speaker 1: at all, you probably saw that there was lots of
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  Speaker 1: tributes to Johnny Kim. Apparently, Johnny Kim, among some of
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  Speaker 1: one of our more well known and liked current NASA astronauts,
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  Speaker 1: not that we dislike the others, just we know more
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  Speaker 1: about him. He seems to be a bit more popular.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, a lot of people following Johnny Kim's return
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  Speaker 1: to space. He did return to space safely on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: December the ninth, on the frigid step of Kazakhstan after
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  Speaker 1: an eight month mission aboard the International Space Station. He
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  Speaker 1: was along with his two cosmonaut compatriots is the word
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  Speaker 1: I was looking for, Sarahgaey Rizakov and Alexey Zubritsky. They
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  Speaker 1: all returned aboard the soyused vehicle to the high planes
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  Speaker 1: of Kazakhstan, where it was really really cold. Apparently out
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  Speaker 1: there it was very very cold, and so during the
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  Speaker 1: change of command ceremony on Sunday prior to the return,
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Kim had some quotes and he said that he
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  Speaker 1: will remember most from his eight months in space is
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  Speaker 1: quote the bond that we shared together. Now I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you that Johnny Kim has some more quotes. He
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be a bit on the sentimental side coming
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  Speaker 1: back down with his two cosmonaut friends into Kazakhstan, he
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  Speaker 1: waxed a tad sentimental. Here are the remainder of the
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  Speaker 1: quotes from Johnny Kim. Quote. I firmly believe that the
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  Speaker 1: greatest quality of an astronaut and a human is not
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  Speaker 1: technical competence, or loyalty or any of the myriad of
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  Speaker 1: other things we like to ascribe to astronauts. It's love
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  Speaker 1: unquote John Lennon. All you need is shot in the back,
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  Speaker 1: very sad. Johnny Kim went on to say a second
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  Speaker 1: quote quote, we always gave each other grace and had
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  Speaker 1: so much love for each other and everyone who supports us.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is what makes space exploration possible unquote,
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  Speaker 1: so very much. Unlike William Shatner Captain James T. Kirk,
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  Speaker 1: who came back with a slightly darker view of his
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  Speaker 1: time and space, Johnny Kim returns with nothing but love
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  Speaker 1: in his heart.
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  Speaker 4: So a couple of things the part of me that
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  Speaker 4: this is where there's the two sides of me are
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  Speaker 4: conflicted because the part of me that wants to make
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  Speaker 4: fun of everything that he.
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  Speaker 1: Just just is which part of you is that with?
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying I'm trying to fight. I'm trying to fight
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  Speaker 4: that side away and just say.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is nice, what a lovely thing.
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  Speaker 1: It is Christmas? I know, season of you know, love
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  Speaker 1: for fellow, your fellow man. Uh huh.
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  Speaker 4: However, I just felt in a little what's going on
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  Speaker 4: up there? Like, what's what's happened up there there? There's
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  Speaker 4: no campfires and s'mores in Kumbai, yah, right, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: Like apparently that they had a virtual version of that
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  Speaker 4: at least it's interesting. It's it just seems weird, like
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  Speaker 4: were they watching the Wicked movies up there? Like this
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  Speaker 4: is like behavior associated with the cast of Wicked?
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  Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, did he come down weighing like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: twenty eight pounds like Ariana Grande?
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  Speaker 1: I do?
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  Speaker 3: Like what was going on up there?
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't know what. Thanks to the overlook effect,
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Kim was having a great time in space and
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  Speaker 1: came down feeling very good about things, and God bless
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  Speaker 1: him by the way for coming down with a positive
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  Speaker 1: message again, all all the best thoughts to William Shatner.
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  Speaker 1: When William Shatner came back down from a much shorter trip,
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  Speaker 1: all he saw was death and darkness.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh huh yeah, well and then that you just
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  Speaker 4: kind of go, yeah, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's a good holiday message. It is.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And I'm trying to all human beings and
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  Speaker 1: all astronauts everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: I've been trying to stay in that mindset. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to keep fighting away the thing that makes me
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  Speaker 4: want to continue making fun, and I'll just you know,
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  Speaker 4: ask my question, how do you have a prequel to
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  Speaker 4: a girl having a dream? That's my other question about Wicked, Like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you have a prequel to a dream? I
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  Speaker 4: don't really understand how that works, but apparently I'm in
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  Speaker 4: the minority and pointing that out and realizing that it's dumb.
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  Speaker 1: Wicked.
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  Speaker 4: The night before, I mean, it's not like she went
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  Speaker 4: back to sleep and was like, now I'm having a
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  Speaker 4: dream about what happened before all of that. No, we're
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  Speaker 4: getting the backstory on people that were in her dream.
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  Speaker 4: But Anyway, that's another time for another place. Well, if
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  Speaker 4: Made of Stars right after this. All right, so let's
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  Speaker 4: we've talked a lot about Artemis and obviously we've had
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  Speaker 4: a launch of Artemis two is coming up and gosh,
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  Speaker 4: just like two months it's gonna it's gonna happen. Fingers crossed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's the plans. That's that's the plan, that's the scheduled plan.
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  Speaker 4: That's when the window opened. That's the official way to
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  Speaker 1: That's right there, you go.
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  Speaker 4: So, uh, let's jump ahead because we know what Artemis
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  Speaker 4: two is, that's taking taking astronauts around the moon. And
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  Speaker 4: then we know what Artemist three is scheduled to be.
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  Speaker 4: That's you know, boots on the ground. Uh, let's talk
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  Speaker 4: about Artemis four because NASA is you know.
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  Speaker 3: Once you get there, it's you go around the moon.
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  Speaker 4: Then you go to the moon, and then you need
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  Speaker 4: to go to the moon and do science like those
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  Speaker 4: are the three steps. And that's what Artemis four is about, right.
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  Speaker 1: I Mean, there's spontaneous, impromptu people that just fly by
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  Speaker 1: the seat of their pants. That's Wes and Sean. And
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  Speaker 1: then there are the planners of this world. And like
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  Speaker 1: your wife, I would say, and my wife probably our
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  Speaker 1: wives are the planners. Yeah, they're the plan They actually
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  Speaker 1: think ahead about things.
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  Speaker 4: You and I are observing squirrels.
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  Speaker 3: A squirrel, what's going on over there, Let's.
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  Speaker 1: Go check that out. Let's jump in the car and
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  Speaker 1: go to a launch this afternoon. That's us. That's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's in Florida, all right. So so the planners at
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  Speaker 1: NASA are thinking, hey, you know, we're planning for an
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  Speaker 1: Artemis four, So so what's going to be on it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we probably need some instruments if we're gonna do if
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do science at the south pole of the Moon,
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  Speaker 1: we probably need to start planning the instruments. Now. See
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  Speaker 1: that's what that's how planners think. And so I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate planners because I'm not one of them. And
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  Speaker 1: so NASA has people who are thinking ahead, and they
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  Speaker 1: have they have designated the two instruments, the two main
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  Speaker 1: instruments which will be deployed at the south pole of
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  Speaker 1: the Moon for the Artemis four astronauts to use when
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  Speaker 1: they go there cool stuff. One of them is called
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  Speaker 1: duster and the other one is called SPS or no,
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  Speaker 1: it's called SPSS. Forget my pronunciation there, it's silly. And
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  Speaker 1: so these two, these two instruments are going to be
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  Speaker 1: giving providing us knowledge of the lunar environment to support
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  Speaker 1: NASA's further exploration of the Moon and beyond to Mars. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's be very careful. I don't want to there's good
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  Speaker 1: people at NASA dot gov that wrote the story. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to confuse them. But environment Typically we think
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  Speaker 1: of environment as like an atmosphere. The Moon has one,
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  Speaker 1: the Moon does not have one, rather and Mars does.
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  Speaker 1: So just I don't want to any okay, So lunar environment, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: no atmosphere, all right, just making sure we all know,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So a quote from Nicki Fox, Associate Administrator
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  Speaker 1: of the Science Mission Director at NASA, says this quote,
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  Speaker 1: the Apollo era taught us that the further humanity is
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  Speaker 1: from Earth, the more dependent we are on science to
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  Speaker 1: protect and sustain human life on other planets. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: Nicki Fox says, we're gonna have to science the heck
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  Speaker 1: out of this, something like that maybe shouldn't say that,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So anyway, so continuing the quote, by deploying
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  Speaker 1: these two science instruments on the lunar surf Our proving ground,
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  Speaker 1: NASA is leading the world in the creation of humanity's
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  Speaker 1: interplanetary survival guide to ensure the health and safety of
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  Speaker 1: our spacecraft and human explorers as we begin our epic
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  Speaker 1: journey back to the Moon and onward to Mars. Unquote
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  Speaker 1: Nicki Fox, Associate Administrator for the Science Mission Director at NASA.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so that's the setup. Here comes the pitch.
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  Speaker 1: After his voyage to the Moon's surface during Apollo seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: astronaut Gene Cernan acknowledged the challenge that lunar dust presents
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  Speaker 1: to the long term ability for lunar exploration. Moondust sticks
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  Speaker 1: to everything it touches, and it is very abrasive. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So that's the purpose for the first of those missions
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  Speaker 1: called Duster, And yes, Duster is a strained NASA acronym. Say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to believe.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to believe they would do such things, these planners,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Oh, cyrus Rex, That's all I have to say.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, So Duster, Duster, stands for dust and plasma environment surveyor.
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  Speaker 1: So when you hear duster, think dust and plasma environment surveyor.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna be investigating the dust and plasma environment
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  Speaker 1: on the moon.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on a minute, Hang
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  Speaker 4: on a minute. Now I'm looking at the way this
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  Speaker 4: is written.
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  Speaker 1: Out, duster.
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  Speaker 4: The DU is from dust and plasma, the S is
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  Speaker 4: from plasma environment, the T surveyor the E and the R. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's duster. Dust is already like in it, like we
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  Speaker 4: got the whole word.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't fall in the right spots.
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  Speaker 3: It seems to me, no, no, no, dust is right
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  Speaker 3: there at.
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  Speaker 4: The beginning for both dust could be he does could
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  Speaker 4: be doing a lot more work, and this is all
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like it could be carrying more of the load.
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  Speaker 1: It's so millennial of you to think that the first
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  Speaker 1: letters of words have to form the acronym. We're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna pull out random consonants in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: word or even at the end, and sometimes we'll buy
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  Speaker 1: a vowel. It reminds me of Norm MacDonald's joke I D.
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  Speaker 4: The I stands for I, The D stands for dentification.
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  Speaker 4: The d is doing all the heavy lifting. So that's
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  Speaker 4: where my brain went. All right, anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know. I mean, I think this is
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  Speaker 4: a very valid point just looking at it, going all right, duster,
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  Speaker 4: Well dust is right there in the name.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to submit this recording to the to
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  Speaker 1: the Acronym Committee at NASA. Can we just maybe just
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  Speaker 1: use the first letter or maybe the first two letters?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know about pulling random consonants in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the word.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh t from environment. What what if they're just
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  Speaker 4: calling it the duster. I mean, I would just think
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  Speaker 4: if you said this is our dust and Plasma Environment
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  Speaker 4: survey or, we're going to call it the duster, people
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  Speaker 4: would go, yeah, that's fine, that's just that's good enough
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  Speaker 4: right there, right, Yeah, you could call it that, call
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  Speaker 4: it duster.
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  Speaker 1: Call it dusty.
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  Speaker 3: How about dusty.
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  Speaker 1: Let's call it dusty.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nickname.
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  Speaker 1: I think that from now on, I'm made of stars,
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  Speaker 1: it should be called dusty. We're just calling it dusty.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to call it dusty. So Dusty has a buddy.
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  Speaker 1: It's the South Pole Seismic Station, named by people from
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  Speaker 1: the eighties apparently, because it's all the first letters of words.
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  Speaker 1: So we didn't make it called you know, like spull
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  Speaker 1: micked or something like that. I don't know, I could
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  Speaker 1: come up with something. We just called it spss.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is the noise that when I was a
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  Speaker 4: kid we would make to try to get a cat
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  Speaker 4: to come to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think build a cat from Bloom
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  Speaker 1: County made this noise. Yeah, that's right, something like anyway, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but that's my era, all right. So South Pole Seismic
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  Speaker 1: Station is what that one sounds like. So the South
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  Speaker 1: Pole Seismic Station will enable scientists to carry out the
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  Speaker 1: Lunar Interior structure investigations and help characterize and better understand
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  Speaker 1: the geological processes that affect planetary bodies SIPs. That's all
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So anyway, the seismometer on the SPS will
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  Speaker 1: help determine the current rate at which the Moon is
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  Speaker 1: struck by meteorite impacts, monitor the real time seismic environment
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  Speaker 1: and how it can affect operations for astronauts, and determine
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  Speaker 1: properties of the Moon's deep interior. Thus, says NASA. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so all of these things from NASA dot Gov story
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  Speaker 1: on the instrument package for Artemis four, and we're looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to seeing that mission after the other two Artomist
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  Speaker 1: missions that we're also looking forward to see. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about mavon Maven. They've lost communication with Maven. It's gone silent.
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  Speaker 4: We have things that were launched what in the seventies
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  Speaker 4: that we're still communicating with.
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  Speaker 1: So what's going on?
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: What's going on now? We lose communication with things and
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: then we get it back. I'm assuming they're hoping that
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: they'll get this back.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are indeed hoping they're going to get this back.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: What they're hoping is that this is just an electronic
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: malfunction of some sort in the communication system itself, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: so they're trying very diligently to re establish communications with Maven.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So Maven, should we talk about that acronym Mars Atmosphere
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and Volatile Evolution? Otherwise it would have just been MAVE. Yeah,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and MAVE doesn't sound as cool. The Mars atmosphere and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: violent evolution. You need to end on the end Mayven
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: here you go? Okay, so we did borrow the ending consonant,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: all right, So maveon a spacecraft that latched back in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, entered Mars orbit in twenty fourteen, has been
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: doing great work until December sixth just a few days ago,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: just a few days ago. It you know, it goes
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: around Mars. That's what it does. It's an orbiter. It
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: went behind Mars, and we don't know what happened because
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: no communication crash. Was it abducted by aliens? Did it?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Was it struck by a micrometeorite or a big meteorite.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: We simply don't know because we had we experienced a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: loss of signal. I should say that NASA experienced a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: loss of signal with Maven. So the telemetry from Maven
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on the way behind Mars showed that all subsystems were
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: working normally. Then it went in the position where it's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: radio signals were obscured by the planet Mars. And when
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it when it was supposed to have returned, we were
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: not able to it was no longer taking phone calls.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It ghosted us. So we've been ghosted by Maven. It
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: says I'm not talking to you anymore. We don't know why.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So after the spacecraft allegedly emerged from behind Mars, NASA's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Deep Space Network did not observe a signal, So a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: big bunch of radio antennas out in the deserts of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: many countries, including the United States, that we use to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: communicate with all these spacecraft no longer heard the signal
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: from Maven, so we don't know. Again, it's probably just
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: fine in its orbit. It probably maybe was struck by
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a cosmic ray or something that temporarily disrupted the electronic
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: communications systems on Maven. Hopefully the ground based engineers will
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: be able to restart that. We'll get the thing back up,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: we'll hear from it again, because it is still doing
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: important work now. Part of its important work is investigating
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the atmosphere of Mars, which that helps us understand what
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the liquid water history was on Mars, how its atmosphere evolved,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: how planets go through a period of habitability. All those
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: are very important from a science reason. But it also
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: had another purpose, which is Maven was one of our
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: relay stations for communications with objects on the ground, so
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: they would bounce signals off Maven to send back to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Earth when they were not conveniently located for communications back
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to Earth. So Maven's communications station function is also very
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: important for all the other payloads that are in operation
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: on Mars right now. So last year Maven celebrated its
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: tenth anniversary. Is doing pretty well. As Wes said, it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: not it's not nearly as long as the track record
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: of Oh, I don't know, Voyager, but okay, but all right,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it's been pretty good. It's been pretty stable, and now
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: we really wish we could get it back. And so
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that's the story right now. Here's hoping.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, at some point that will be even more
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: critical somewhere down the line eventually, or they'll have to
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: launch something else that will be the critical communication process
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: for that more.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Made of stars.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Right after this, let's talk about hackers. It's one of
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: those things where I feel like there's this catch twenty
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: two that is AI. AI is it makes so many
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: things so much easier. And then of course it's the
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: backside of that is the jobs that are in jeopardy
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: because of AI. And then people say, well, that's terrible,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: that's awful, And then Elon Musk comes along and says, hey,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: nobody's gonna have to work. Everybody's just gonna let AI
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: do all the work and you'll just sit at home
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: and relax all the time, and you go, well, it
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: doesn't sound so bad. So there's different sides of these coins.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: But when you're using AI at the moment before you
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: know it decides that these lazy people that aren't working,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: we can just kill them and take over the planet.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Until then, right now, we can use it for positive things.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: And here's something that a time where it was used
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: for something and it was able to determine that there's
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: vulnerability to NASA spacecraft and AI is the thing that
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: actually found it and fixed it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Right. Yes, yes, all of that's true. Space dot Com,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: by the way, is one of the sources of the story.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: But this one's out all over the place. I saw
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the movie Waly, I thought it was a cute kids show.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Little did we know it was predicting the exact demise
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: of humanity. But okay, let's just make it a cute
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: kid show from Pixar.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Now, when kids watch it, they sit in their little
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: pods and watch it on their little screen in front
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: of them, right while AI takes care of all of
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: their daily that's right, picks up the trash and does
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: all of the work.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: That's right. Happy Holidays, everybody, twenty twenty five Wally about
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to become a documentary Wally by the way, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: resembling Johnny five so much, and not just any opportunity
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to notice that, any opportunity to remind you that your
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: mama was a snowblower. You know. Let me get off
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: this topic really quick, all right, So what is all
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: this about. Well, that same deep space network from NASA
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that we just talked about in the last story. There's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a bunch of radio dishes out in deserts around the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: world that are run by NASA. Why are they around
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the world because sometimes the planet rotates in different directions.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: You have in Tennis in Australia, so you can still
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: talk to your spacecraft. Okay, So there are a network
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that's around the world, the Global Network run by NASA
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of communication dishes. They all have some cybersecurity function there
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: because you don't want bad actors taking over your your
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: ground based network for communicating with all of your spacecraft
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: out there. That would be considered oh, I don't know bad.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Apparently they were running a security software called crypto Lab
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that was supposed to be protecting these spacecraft to ground
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: based communications, and a California based company it's a startup.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It's an AI startup called ILE. I'm assuming that's how
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you pronounce it, AISL. It's probably a strained acronym for
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: something where they pulled consonants from the middle of words. Anyway,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: So this California based company called Ile ran their cybersecurity
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: checking algorithm that is AI based, and the AI based
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: algorithm found some vulnerabilities in cryptolib. So cryptolib apparently not
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: taking care of all of the cybersecurity protocols necessary to
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: fully protect NASA's ground based communication system called the Deep
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Space Network. Okay, so the vulnerability could have enabled hackers
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to seize control over quote countless space missions unquote, this
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: via space dot Com, including NASA's Mars rovers, which again
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about in the previous segment. According
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to the cybersecurity researchers, now here's a real quote from
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: cybersecurity quote for three years, the security system meant to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: protect spacecraft the ground communications contained a vulnerability that could
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: undermine that protection unquote, Ile cybersecurity researchers wrote on a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: blog post on the company's website describing the vulnerability. Did
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: NASA say it was okay for them to put that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: on a blog post. That's just what like I mean,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a part owner in NASA, right, I'm a taxpayer.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering did we okay that for them to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: put that on there anyway? Isle cyber Security continues, quote
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: A vulnerability in this software poses a threat to billions
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of dollars in space infrastructure and the scientific missions they enable,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: unquote again on the company's blog. I just don't think
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that that's where maybe we didn't want to make this.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, was that in their contract. We should
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: look at those terms a little bit more closely. I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: don't know if I like them posting all of that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: out there. Wes, what do you think it?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: It seems like a lot to put it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: It's almost like emailing somebody their bank information.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You just don't want to do.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: That because that is not something that U would. It's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: potentially hackable itself.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: It is it is a hacker's dream, some of this
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: information that could be out there just floating around, just
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: floating out there somewhere, and it's it's you have to
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: do yeah, And if you do something like that in
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: the AI identifiable cyberspace, that is what you're saying. I mean,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: if you can do with AI could identify those numbers.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Take AI and let it find it and fix it
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: in four days. Apparently it's apparently in four days. So
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the software has been running for three years that had
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: the vulnerability. This AI program found, exposed and repaired the
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: vulnerability in four days. So yeah, okay, let's AI.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Good. Maybe in this one scenario good. Maybe don't put
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it on the blog post though, I just don't think
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: on the blog post. Really, I don't know.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: It does seem like it's an invitation in a lot
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: of ways, doesn't it. But I don't know if you're
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: an AI security company, which maybe that's what the S
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: stands for when we start, but maybe it's like a challenge,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: you're throwing down the gauntlet.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You're like, again, it's one of NASA's shareholders. I don't
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: really appreciate that behavior because I don't want other people's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: AI programs looking for NASA vulnerabilities. I'm just not in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: favor of that. Well, what a.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Great segue you handed me, because let's talk about shareholders.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about SpaceX because you could be a shareholder
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: in SpaceX too.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Also, goodness, you know, as a taxpayer. I feel like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I should already be a shareholder in sub of SpaceX.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: But okay, that's just me being a taxpayer. What if
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you actually really wanted to buy in and be a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: honest to goodness shareholder in SpaceX, Well you can't because
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: it's a privately held company and it all belongs to Elon.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That was an Elon laugh. I don't know if he
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: laughs like that anyway. On reuters dot com and many
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: other news outlets. By the way, today it looks like
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: SpaceX is about to go public. Yes, that's right, you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: heard it correctly. A twenty twenty six initial public offering
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: from Elon Musk's SpaceX, slated to raise over twenty five
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: billion dollars, is being reported from an anonymous source. Okay,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: so an anonymous source reporting that Reuter's is quoting. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Samuel Kerr, head of equity cap Little Markets at the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Merger Market Association, told Reuters this quote, SpaceX represents one
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of the most exciting opportunities in the global IPO market
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and has been on the dream list of several investors
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: for years. Continuing the quote, quote, it is a genuine
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: growth industry, with space technology seen as a key frontier
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: in both defense, satellite proliferation and in tech infrastructure in general,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the growth of orbital data centers unquote, so says Samuel
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Kerr of Merger Market. So there you go, friends. We
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: don't typically give stock tips on Native Stars.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: It's not that necessarily we're giving stock tips. We're just
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: giving stock information. This is something that could be if
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: you're listening to this show, maybe on your radar.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: That's all. We would never want to endorse the purchase
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of various stocks.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: No, no, and if we were going to, we would
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: say wait and do it after we've bought hours.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: No, which we are saying, so don't don't buy it
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: right away, give us time, give Wes and Shawan a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: chance to buy first.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: The story says, these IPOs may the IPO may be
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: available for stocks to be available sometime June possibly, So
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: please wait till September before you jump in, giving Wes
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and I plenty of time to buy our stock. Exactly.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Christmas Star.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Let's do because we have a great show in the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Atmosphere Theater here at Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Science Center. It's called Mystery of the Christmas Star and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: right now it's running every afternoon at three pm. Mystery
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of the Christmas Star is a wonderful holiday show, but
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: it is also some serious archaeo astronomy looking at the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: ancient texts of the Bible to investigate an object reported
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: there that appeared in the nighttime sky. What could it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: have been? What could have appeared in the sky that
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: brought Magi from the east, probably Zoroastrian astrologers from the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: east to travel west even though they saw the object
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in the eastern sky to Jerusalem. That's an interesting question. Friends,
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