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INTERVIEW: David Porter Talks New Book ‘The Soul Man’, Stax Records, Evolution Of Songwriting, Maurice White + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: Click your ass up the breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: You don't finish for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is dj Envy, just hilarious charlamage the god we
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  Speaker 2: are the breakfast Club Lawnla Roses here as well. We
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  Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed we
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  Speaker 2: have David Porter. He has a new book, The soul
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  Speaker 2: Man Life of a Songwriter, David Porter The Legend. How
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  Speaker 2: you feeling, brother?
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  Speaker 3: I feel amazing being with such amazing people. You look amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Look that jacket flying, brother, Yes, you got.
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  Speaker 1: To talk about David porter Man.
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  Speaker 4: David Porter was inducted to the Songwriters Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 4: back in two thousand and five. He's got a catalog
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  Speaker 4: that has exceeded over four hundred million units in sales.
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  Speaker 4: Rolling Stone listed you as one of the one hundred
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  Speaker 4: greatest songwriters of all time.
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  Speaker 1: See what some of the songs you wrote, Dave Porter?
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, let me let me first give a shout
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  Speaker 3: out to my dear partner, who's no longer with the
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  Speaker 3: Isaac Cage, fortunate enough to write some great songs independent
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  Speaker 3: of me. You have some with me, But soul men,
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  Speaker 3: hold on, I'm coming you don't know like I know
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  Speaker 3: your real good things about the I lou rawls, just
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  Speaker 3: uh the emotions so I can love your best part
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  Speaker 3: of a love affair. Uh, Johnny Taylor, I had a
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  Speaker 3: dream little Bluebird Albert King personal manager. Uh, It's just
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  Speaker 3: it's just been Ois writing trick some some amazing uh
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  Speaker 3: writing with Otis as well. Sam gonna record with him
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  Speaker 3: as well. Fare that's me saying home.
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  Speaker 4: Like so many of them songs you name them, the
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  Speaker 4: songs you hear on all the commercials. You know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying them, the songs you hear whenever you're just
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  Speaker 4: walking into like retail stores.
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  Speaker 2: But not only that, it's the ones that get sample
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  Speaker 2: like who shot your sample?
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  Speaker 3: Dream lover, dream lover, get with it above the rim
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  Speaker 3: rump shaker. Look, you guys are great reflect of what
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  Speaker 3: this country is in the day's world. And I feel
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  Speaker 3: so honored to being your president. And that's no hype,
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  Speaker 3: that's fact. And so to have been at a time
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  Speaker 3: for me to have had the career that I've had,
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  Speaker 3: I feel so fortunate because of the came. It came
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  Speaker 3: at a testing time and to see where the world
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  Speaker 3: is today and see what's going on with great talents
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  Speaker 3: such as you, as just makes me feel humbled to
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  Speaker 3: say the least.
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  Speaker 2: Was the business right back then for you to make
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  Speaker 2: sure because we talk about only songs that you wrote
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  Speaker 2: and everybody sampling your music, was the business right so
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  Speaker 2: that you get your full payment for all of.
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  Speaker 1: The stuff that we discussed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me say this, I wouldn't have this jacket
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  Speaker 3: on if I didn't get my money. I cannot speak
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  Speaker 3: for everyone, but one thing I learned at a very
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  Speaker 3: very young age. I come from a very very humble
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  Speaker 3: into a beginning, and what I learned was I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to have a life better than the outdoor toilet that
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  Speaker 3: I had to deal with, and so I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: learn about processes that would enable me to be prepared
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  Speaker 3: for that. And so with that in mind, I start
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  Speaker 3: learning some of the steps that I need to take
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  Speaker 3: to protect my interests. And as I would write the
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  Speaker 3: songs and discover concept for writing the songs, we didn't
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  Speaker 3: just write a song about how we feel. People don't
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  Speaker 3: care about how you feel. They care about how you
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  Speaker 3: make them feel. So I have to learn principles of
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  Speaker 3: that and so but also learning how to cover myself.
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  Speaker 3: Later on, I didn't know what that meant, so I
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  Speaker 3: had to live a life to understand and develop that.
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  Speaker 2: But how did you understand that? Because you know there
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  Speaker 2: was no blueprint, you were the blueprint for most people.
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  Speaker 2: So before that blueprint was laid, how did you figure out, Well,
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  Speaker 2: I need to make sure I get this percentage, and
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  Speaker 2: I get my splits, and I get this, and I
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  Speaker 2: get that, because I'm sure they did everything in their
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  Speaker 2: power to make sure that you didn't get that.
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  Speaker 3: I learned from the examples that was said before me
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  Speaker 3: for people that didn't get it, and I learned to
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  Speaker 3: look for steps that could protect my interest in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: Part of that was reading. And if you go back
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  Speaker 3: to those times, it was not convenient for us to
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  Speaker 3: be educated. They all said we look alike. And it
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  Speaker 3: was radio station WDIA that in nineteen forty eight that
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  Speaker 3: became the example of letting us see at that particular
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  Speaker 3: time that the individuality of us as the people were
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  Speaker 3: so much stronger than the representation that they're trying to
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  Speaker 3: make us believe. And so with that in mind, I
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  Speaker 3: learned some other things. How do I get to protect
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  Speaker 3: those kinds of things that can enable me to be
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  Speaker 3: better prepared, and I learned that you got to get
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  Speaker 3: some knocks upside the hedge, you got to get some
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  Speaker 3: people lying to you. You got to get it beyond
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  Speaker 3: what the books they present to you. So you got
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  Speaker 3: to find tricks and trade a way to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And I start pushing myself to to look for all
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  Speaker 3: of those kinds of things. I made mistakes along the way,
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  Speaker 3: but I also gathered a lot along the way as well.
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  Speaker 4: Ma Come, Stacks Records doesn't get the kind of I guess,
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  Speaker 4: reverence or recognition that like a Motown did.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Motown set the template for convincing America
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  Speaker 3: to look at us a little bit different. Stacks set
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  Speaker 3: the template for making people understand the individual individuality of
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  Speaker 3: the Black presentation was something that was so magnetic that
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  Speaker 3: it could find an emotional connect with people all over
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  Speaker 3: the world who didn't actually like you. So we took
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  Speaker 3: our church humbleness to create the foundation of that, and
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  Speaker 3: we find a way to incorporate that and the musicality
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  Speaker 3: of what we were doing. And we took the fact
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  Speaker 3: that we put underground message in the writing of the songs.
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  Speaker 3: Every one of the songs that we wrote had an
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  Speaker 3: underground message to it that of course, we only thought
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  Speaker 3: it would be played on black radio, and so inside
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  Speaker 3: of the underground message yard, we had had a surface
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  Speaker 3: message that make people and have fun, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: and that that we had no idea that it would
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  Speaker 3: resonate or engage people on the other side of the
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  Speaker 3: table to have appreciation for it. And when it started
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  Speaker 3: that it took on a life of its own, of
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  Speaker 3: its own, but it started with us recognizing the individuality
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  Speaker 3: of us as a people and then understand that we
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  Speaker 3: don't need to run from that, we need to run
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  Speaker 3: to that. And that's what we were doing at Stacks.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's kind of hard to come to the
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  Speaker 3: realization that that we some bad us, we the stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and so it's a little bit difficult to give that
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  Speaker 3: homage and that that adolation just write out. But the
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  Speaker 3: truth of that resonates all. We have songs that are
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  Speaker 3: played all over the world every day. We have the
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  Speaker 3: current merchant has done all over the world every day,
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  Speaker 3: so that speaks to that.
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  Speaker 2: But like wish All I means said, Stax records did
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  Speaker 2: so much for people. But you don't really hear much
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  Speaker 2: about Stacks unless you're an industry insider or a music buff.
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  Speaker 1: Like tax was first they were formal team.
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  Speaker 2: So talk about some of the artists that you heard
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  Speaker 2: about the history of.
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  Speaker 3: Us as as people. I mean, we're gonna be real.
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  Speaker 3: You know, nobody's gonna willfully come up and give that.
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  Speaker 3: We have music that resonates and impacts all over the world,
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  Speaker 3: healing people, encouraging people, motivating people, and teaching people. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's a lot of power to give to people that
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  Speaker 3: that certainly look a certain kind of way.
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  Speaker 5: You did you understand the power that power from day one,
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  Speaker 5: because weren't you the first staff writer for Stacks.
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  Speaker 3: I was the first staff It was a country label
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  Speaker 3: when I came. It was Satellite Records, and I was
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  Speaker 3: a kid who was just getting ready to graduate from
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  Speaker 3: high school working across the street at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to go over and try to convince
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  Speaker 3: them to give me an audition, And when they did,
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  Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to bring some talented casts with me.
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  Speaker 3: Booker T. Jones who became Booker T and Geez played
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  Speaker 3: baritone horn on it, William Ball who had a James Auston.
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  Speaker 3: They sang background on the demo, Andrew Love I got
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  Speaker 3: replaced Sax he became a part of the Memphis Horns.
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  Speaker 3: So I was able to buy that example and failing
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  Speaker 3: of the audition to convince them to look closer at
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  Speaker 3: at what black music could do. And then they decided
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  Speaker 3: to record an artist by the name of Rufus, Thomas
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  Speaker 3: Rufus and kla I got Booker t before I was
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  Speaker 3: hired to play baritone horn on that record. So that's
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  Speaker 3: a little of the background history that's not necessarily put
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  Speaker 3: out there on Front Street. Booker talks about it in
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  Speaker 3: his book, but that's why I wanted to write the
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  Speaker 3: book and bring a little bit more of that to
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  Speaker 3: the forefront.
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  Speaker 1: You talked about how what.
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  Speaker 6: Was it like revisiting your history a lot of it, right,
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  Speaker 6: like with their memories that in writing this book that
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  Speaker 6: you that brought up that you didn't even think about
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  Speaker 6: for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's really odd. I consider myself kind of cat
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  Speaker 3: that can hold it together. But during the course of
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  Speaker 3: three years of putting this together, I cried some, I
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  Speaker 3: heard some, I rejoiced some, but I didn't get caught
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  Speaker 3: up in the rejoicing part of it because I had
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  Speaker 3: to deal with the next step of challenges in the
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  Speaker 3: course of the life that I've lived, and so it
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  Speaker 3: was yeah, but I feel it was worth it because
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  Speaker 3: I was able to be in the instances as real
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  Speaker 3: as I could possibly be.
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  Speaker 4: You talked about how you had to I guess hide
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  Speaker 4: the messages in the music, right, was that for survival?
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  Speaker 1: Because during the Civil rights movement.
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  Speaker 3: The way you consider it was nineteen forty I was
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  Speaker 3: born in nineteen forty one. My buddy Maurice White was
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  Speaker 3: born the next month.
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  Speaker 1: That's all.
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  Speaker 3: We're the best of friends. As I talk about in
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  Speaker 3: the book, the ability is to think that we would
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  Speaker 3: have music that would resonated in a meaningful way with everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It was not a real thought process. There was no
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  Speaker 3: technology like it is today. So we were of the
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  Speaker 3: opinion that Isaac and I were, that it was only
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  Speaker 3: going to be played on black radio, and with that
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  Speaker 3: I didn't mind. We wanted to be sure that we
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  Speaker 3: were doing something constructive in a meaningful way for people
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  Speaker 3: that look like us. Motown was doing that thing and
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  Speaker 3: it was resonating every kind of way imaginable. But we
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  Speaker 3: just felt our audience because we were taking it all
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  Speaker 3: the way to the flow, all the way on the
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  Speaker 3: real all the way in the church kind of vibe.
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  Speaker 3: We felt that that's what's going to be our audience,
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  Speaker 3: and we we wanted to have a concept that would
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  Speaker 3: be sure that we were magnifying some of this polities,
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  Speaker 3: positive sperience that they would need. But we also were
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  Speaker 3: understanding that it was a music kind of thing that
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  Speaker 3: we will hope for one day the rex we would
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  Speaker 3: be played. So on the on the top surface of that,
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to have the fun aspect, but when you
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  Speaker 3: dig into what's being said in it and what's being
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  Speaker 3: music is the language and itself, what's being created through
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  Speaker 3: the emotional connectivity of music. The church is all through
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  Speaker 3: all of that. And that was Sax Records.
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  Speaker 4: Now you mentioned because because you know today's artists, people
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  Speaker 4: want them to speak on every social issue, right like
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  Speaker 4: should artists be activists or just making the music enough.
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  Speaker 3: Making Well, you got to find a way to be
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  Speaker 3: smooth with it. You know, you have to find a
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  Speaker 3: way to be smooth with That's why I said, I
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  Speaker 3: called I said on the ground, why not put it
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  Speaker 3: all the way on the floor on the surface, Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we wanted to have a life. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you're making twenty four dollars a week, and you got
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  Speaker 3: to think about how can you make twenty five? So
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  Speaker 3: you had to think about what was ahead, and even
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  Speaker 3: at that time you didn't know what was ahead. There was,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, no technology, no world that we all
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  Speaker 3: have today. So you have to think about so many
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  Speaker 3: veried things if you want to have a career doing this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there are no new emotions. You got to
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  Speaker 3: find a fresh way to talk about commed emotions every record,
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  Speaker 3: because every record is talking about the same thing. You
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  Speaker 3: have to come up with concepts and those kinds of things.
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  Speaker 3: So all of that played a role in and developing
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  Speaker 3: a thought about how they go about this.
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  Speaker 2: Now you mentioned Maurice White, you know recipes. We just
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  Speaker 2: had earth Winding Fire. He was founder of earth wind
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  Speaker 2: and Fire. What were those early conversations like with you
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  Speaker 2: and Maurice?
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  Speaker 3: When Maurice was born, raised four doors up across the
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  Speaker 3: street from me and we In his book he talks
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  Speaker 3: about this. In my book I talked about We went
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  Speaker 3: to Rose Hill Baptist Church was at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the of a dead We went to Lrose Elementary School.
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  Speaker 3: We both graduated in nineteen sixty one. For Booker T.
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  Speaker 3: Washington High School. He ran the name Earth Winning Fire
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  Speaker 3: down to me. I flew to California when he played
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  Speaker 3: his last gig with Ramsay, and I was in his book,
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  Speaker 3: he says, and I said in mind, I was the
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  Speaker 3: person that he tested the title Earth Winning Fire down too.
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  Speaker 3: So we started as kids having inspiration and motivation from
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  Speaker 3: the contribution that well we made by faces that looked
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  Speaker 3: like us on WDIA radio station, and we started using
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  Speaker 3: that as a motivator to think that maybe there could
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  Speaker 3: be something possibly we didn't know, but possibly for us.
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  Speaker 3: He became passionate about beating on drums. Maurice is very
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  Speaker 3: very shy. People don't know that when they see We
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  Speaker 3: used to see him on stage and how magnetic he was.
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  Speaker 3: Maurice is very very shy guy. But he learned how
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  Speaker 3: to go into the art of the artist street and
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  Speaker 3: that was that was the whole thing. So that's conversations
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  Speaker 3: about concepts and those kind of things. We developed an
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  Speaker 3: understanding about that. Maurice and I before worried when the
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  Speaker 3: fire exploded. Before Isaac and I exploded, we talked about
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  Speaker 3: developing a concept to do.
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  Speaker 1: We did.
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  Speaker 3: We learned words. We went to Booker t Washington Hospital.
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  Speaker 3: We learned the words that ultimately ended up helping us,
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  Speaker 3: and we got that inspiration from people much older than
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  Speaker 3: us sharing insights with us in the most challenging times
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  Speaker 3: for them.
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  Speaker 4: And I love that. That's how I know you from
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  Speaker 4: the country like me. You say he lived four dolls
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  Speaker 4: down from you, mm, four doors down?
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  Speaker 3: No more recently a four door was up from me.
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  Speaker 3: I was the end of the street against coal manufacturing
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  Speaker 3: company with an outdoor toilet.
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  Speaker 1: And Stacks Records was one of those I got five
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  Speaker 1: in my house now.
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  Speaker 4: Stax was one of the best examples of like black
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  Speaker 4: and white people creating together right during segregation.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that environment.
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  Speaker 3: Worked because the white people that were working with us
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  Speaker 3: trusted our instincts for the path that they needed to
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  Speaker 3: go to be exceptionally what they were doing, but also
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  Speaker 3: be beneficial to what we were doing. So they were
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  Speaker 3: able Steve Cropping, Duck Dunn were able to work in
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  Speaker 3: a unified way. If you produce the record, if Isaac
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  Speaker 3: Hayes and David Porter produced the record, or if Don
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  Speaker 3: Davis or whoever, Homer Banks and whoever produced the record,
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  Speaker 3: they followed the lead of that talent developing their concept
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  Speaker 3: for that artist. And if an artist worked on a record,
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  Speaker 3: they developed and magnified they individuality of them and then
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  Speaker 3: you gravitated to that path for them. So these guys
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  Speaker 3: were able to adapt to that kind of environment in
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  Speaker 3: a meaningful way and it worked quite well for them.
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  Speaker 3: But it was you know, like for piece rhythm, you
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  Speaker 3: had to find an individuality on every rhythm and hey,
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  Speaker 3: flessay fled regardless how many times you play it. So
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  Speaker 3: what do you do? So you have to find some
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  Speaker 3: way to create the distinctness for that and the gift
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  Speaker 3: that you guys have, the gift that we have as
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  Speaker 3: individual can magnify personality that it benefits us in meaningful ways.
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  Speaker 3: So what Isaac and I did, they were able to
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  Speaker 3: follow path with Johnny Taylor, whoever was working on they
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  Speaker 3: were able to follow the path. And that's just a
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  Speaker 3: learning experience that we've used to perfect what we were doing,
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  Speaker 3: but also serve as the template for others to follow
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  Speaker 3: years later.
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  Speaker 1: What can America learn from it?
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  Speaker 3: So mean, you're doing such an amazing job on the
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  Speaker 3: platform that you have to talk about things that are
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  Speaker 3: needed in these times in America. Can learn to listen
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  Speaker 3: to more people like you who are given a platform
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  Speaker 3: to say things constructive as you have fun with it.
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  Speaker 3: You're not crazy, you know how to do, but you
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  Speaker 3: also know how to give them the four one to one,
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  Speaker 3: and so America can learn to pay more attention the
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  Speaker 3: people that may have a different perspective than them, that
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  Speaker 3: may have gone through more to get that perspective than them,
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  Speaker 3: then may have something meaningful to say that.
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  Speaker 2: When did the shift happen? Right when the shift happened
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  Speaker 2: for putting a lot of meaningful things in music where
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  Speaker 2: people were learning, understanding, coming together. When did the shift happened?
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  Speaker 2: When did you see that shift starting to change?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was starting all across America at the time
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  Speaker 3: that that that we were coming up. You go back
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  Speaker 3: to the sixties, and we were we had already started
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  Speaker 3: learning about how to how to have pride and indignity
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  Speaker 3: about who we were. I give wd I a shout
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  Speaker 3: out for that, because we started learning the power of
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  Speaker 3: individuality and we all had it before that we were
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  Speaker 3: not given that, but the examples of those who came
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  Speaker 3: before set the template for us to understand there had
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  Speaker 3: to be another path, and so we just started developing
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: that path around that time, it was starting in Chicago,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: it Curtius and those cats were doing. It was it was,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: it was starting all over the country. And then the
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: unified concentration of that without all the belgium of the
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: day's world came because people begin to understand do you
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: want to keep living like this or do you want
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: to make a difference. So I say it started during
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: our period. It started in the fifties and the sixties
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: became magnified, and by the time Isaaca and I started hitting,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: we were conscious that we could play a role in
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: that subtly as well. Curtis was doing Curtis Mayfield was
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: doing in Chicago on the floor as well, And so
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: our period I don't want to say that we were
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the stuff at that, but but I tend to think
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: our periods start a level of understanding of what the
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: potential of us could be, and we start learning to
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: use the twols that we had to do that in
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: the most meaningful way we could, And ours was music
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: and and that's that. But there were others. I mean,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: we don't have to go down the list. You go
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: to doctor King and all. Everybody was developing that during
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: that period of time that it happened with the suffering
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: and and the and the steps that are going from
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: people before.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Us, they could reflect life. So you kind of.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's now they need to digest what you
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: just said. Public do you said when? How can it
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: benefityet understand when you guys are saying some jewels, understand it?
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Not everything is everything?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: With all this history, right, was there anything that you
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: initially wanted to leave out the book but ultimately later
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: decided that it needed to be told?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, you knew I left a lot out of that book.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: It's on purpose. We don't ever tell everything is everything,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: But certainly I wanted to give the true essence of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: who I was and why I was where I was
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: in that book. And I wanted to do that in
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: a in a real, real, concentrating, serious way, and I
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: tried to do that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, are you ever disappointed, like listening to your story
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: and reading like in the book and here in person,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: so much intention in what you guys did, even though
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: you were just doing the art that you loved. Are
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: you ever disappointed when there are celebrities that have these
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: platforms that choose not to speak out out certain things
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: or have intention in what they do because of what
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: you had to go through.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Lord, you shouldn't ask me this course, because I can't lie.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: To some extent, I am disappointed because when we do
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: get the opportunity to be the example that could be
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: motivating for others, we have to be aware that we're
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: giving a gift that you can magnifyd positive ways. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: try to be at this stage of life eighty five
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: this year, the example that can motivate people that look
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: like me to understand that I'm just a fraction of
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: what they can be because they have a better opportunity
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: than I had. And if I can come from this
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: to this, they can go from this to that. And
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I just try to do that. And some of these
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: people who have the platform who don't do that. Yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: it's just there are some that do. I give credit
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: to those that do. There are some great examples inside
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: of that that do. But your course, what about those
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: that don't? And yes, man says, yeah, I'm disappointed.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Have you ever said no to like certain sample requests
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: because the art restruct.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: That, yes I have. Yeah, I can't go out there
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and put them on Front Street, but yes I have.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I've had almost six hundred samples I mean, if I
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: start going down the line Magan had one last year,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I just.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Do you listen to all of them? Do you listen
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: to everyone that comes in? Or do you got your
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: your family listen to it in your state?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: The artists want me to say I've listened, but I'm
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: not good in line, so I said, I like what
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you did, and hope they don't ask me, but did
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: you listen.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: When you did?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Biggie?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Who shot you? What was your I know, your adat
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: when I'm sure, what was your mind from when you
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: heard that? And what did you think of the sample?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: You know, my mindset on all of those is how
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: could these talented people take the templer that you set
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and make the messaging of what they're doing be so
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: powerful in the context that they've done it at the
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: time that they're doing it, And when it connects like that,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: it's like whoa. Then you start recognizing the true power
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: of their individuality for that time. I mean Rumpshaker was
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: another kind of example of that. I mean, it's just
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: but with Biggie. I was such a huge fan of
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: this young kid, and then when he they started using
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: records that I sang on the Masquerade is Over as
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: a perfect example of that. There's so many samples from
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that song on my album.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I mean just.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I was marveling at they had the success that I
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: didn't have with the record. I had some playing sales,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: but not like they've had. And it makes me really
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: truly respectful of the talent in their time and they're
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: taking advantage of it. So I don't I don't show
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: any disrespect to them. I understand it's your window, now
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: what you're going to do in it before it slams
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: on you. I walk around the streets every day and
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: people don't know that I've sold millias and millias of music.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: They don't know that everybody goes to their period, So
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: what are you gonna do your windovers? And that's that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: why I look at that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: What's the difference between having talent and having purpose? Because
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I feel like y'all had a lot of purpose.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Hardship. People don't realize because on the surface it seems
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: like you got everything going. You have hardships that if
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: you're not individually dealing with, you need to recognize that
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: there are those that you care about they're dealing with
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: and what do you feel about them, and so so
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: that's that I think is something that more of the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: people who in a position to do meaningful and constructive
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: things should think about it. We try to do it
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: in songs and then we try to do it as
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you mentioned in Purpose in Life Going Forward, and Maurice
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: was another amazing example of that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean just.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Every we wrote the songs with with the ultimate goal
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: of saying something of substance that can magnify itself inside
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: of you when you through listening to it, and I
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: just it's just I get wrapped up in it, you know.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Of course it makes me get the emotions, so I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: lose my train to thought with it. But yeah, it's something.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Do you think music still heals people today? Or are
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: it just something folks consumed shit?
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Music has healing power. Anytime you can make a note
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: talk a language, that's power, and music is a language,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: and the message of music incorporated with the melody that
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: becomes another language. And so it's just, yes, music heals.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Yes, you stayed rooted in Memphis your whole career, right,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Why was it important to build there instead of chasing
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: the industry elsewhere.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's a good question, because it was that Shotgun
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Church at the top of that hill for Maurice White
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and David Porter, that those people start clapping for us
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: and making us feel that we were good. We thought
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: we were eight nine years old. We thought we were
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: good and they were worshiping. We didn't realize that. So
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: when we thought they were promoting us and encouraging us,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: it made me want to be sure that I stayed
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: in Memphis to contribute and give something back, and I've
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: tried to do that. I live a couple of the places,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: but Memphis is always going to be home to me,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: and I stayed there and I try to do something
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: meaningful there. I have a nonprofit called the Consortium MMT
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: that develops young talent with attributes for songwriting, producing, recording.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I have one hundred and thirty plus videos of everybody
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: from Stevie to Jimmy jam to Barius Simpson to Bobby
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Womack to Editliver talking about their steps that they use
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: for their careers. And it's free to young talents and
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: it's almost fifteen years. In Memphis, Tennessee, they go to
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: a six week program of that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what was it about the song sold Man that
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: made you want to name the book The soul.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Man, because most people who get involved with would really
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: celebrate in that song, not say most people. Some people
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: don't understand the underline mess When I say subliminal underlined,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the underlined that is really talking about for the times.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: This is nineteen sixty seven, six state that we came
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: up in. So man was a twol to motivate folk
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: that looked like me, that you can come on fromm
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: a beginning. There are things that you need to do
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: in attributes that you need to work to develop that
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: can help magnify you as a person. Get an education,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I said with I was educated at Woodstock. There was
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: no Woodstock Festival in nineteen sixty seven. There was nothing
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: even remotely talked about. That's a rural high school in
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the county of Shelby County. The talking about hard work,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: they're talking about determination, They're talking about the totality of
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: you as a person being something much stronger than you
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: will imagine if you want to psych yourself out would alive.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: But if you grab hold of it that you are that,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: then you are all of that. And the soul Man
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: represent I am a real man and underground. Going from
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: segment to segment. That's where there are verse segments of
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it that talks about about those different specific things that
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: could be a motivating thing. So the book represents me
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: trying to give a testimony to life that's been well
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: lived but also an experience that was not throwed on.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Quite easy for me. But if I can do that,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: anybody can do it. It depends on what you think
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: of You fall in love and that fall in love
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: with yourself first, so you'll know what it really is.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on list right, because of course
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you're rolling stones one hundred greatest songwriters? Does that matter
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to you? Or does the fact that you have when
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: your culture matters more?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: See that's why you EJ. You know that matters to me.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: It matters to me that I want people to understand
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: that I want to do a purpose bigger than the
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: song that I've written. And I applaud someone trying to
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: drive somebody to pay a little attention to me so
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I can give them the spirit that I'm trying to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: give as we talk today. So, yeah, I know that
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I've had an amazing life, but I've had an amazing
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: life because of people supporting me. And what am I
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: going to do with that? Am I going to give
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: anything back? I'm going to ride in the sunset of it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I choose to try. I don't know how much of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: seats some instance, I feel good about it to give
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: something back. So it matters to me that I'm making
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a difference by example through my songs, by the platform
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: that has given me can carry someone who possibly looks
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: like me that they could be better than me.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I really wonder man, like in this world where everything's
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: so digital and everybody's always trying to go viral, Like
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: do you do you think we've lost our soul?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Are you able to find soul in that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: We've lost our soul? We need to realize that there
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: is soulfulness potential in each and every one of us.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: We have to first learn that that value is real
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: in us, and then we got to fall in love us,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: like I said, with self and what we want to
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: do for self, because we all are that in a
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: bag of chips and we have lost vision that we
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: are a gifted person. And then you can become a
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: gift for the people. But you are a gifted person
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: because you have the breath of life. But the breath
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: of life gives you opportunity to find things to figure out,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and you won't learn it all, but you can look
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: for things to figure out.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: So I think that when do you think we When
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: was the first time for you where you looked up
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: and you were like the soul was leaving the artistry?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I was respectful of the success that was being
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: had because the spread of what the credibility of the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: music was going all over premier, all over the world,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and you got to recognize that, and that's the value
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to that. But I also was aware that through some
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: of that success, some of those success platform has been
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: used to magnify a thing that really isn't real. Our
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: ladies are not. My mama wasn't. No that you try
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to send on some of them worries about bitch. I mean, yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: yeah right. My brother wasn't because he used to bring
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the refused food for a family of twelve back to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: the house that shotgun house, cut the rotten stuff off
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: of it, and cook it. That's all I had. So no, no,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: So when you go that far out there left to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: get what you think is bread on the table, it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: molded bread that you're eating when that's your path, And
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I just think that we need to be a little
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: bit more cognizan to that when.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: You made I read one of the stories about the
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars that you got from Jim Stewart, one
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: of the co owners of Sack Record, because you bet
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: soul Man. Yeah, you bet him that soul Man would
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: be successful. Right, So, in those moments where you know
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: it's white black people working together, did you feel like
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: it was more about teaching the other people that aren't
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: us that we were able to do what you guys did,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: or was it more about empowering your people or did
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: you find the middle point there?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It was more about being sure that I could resonate
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and Isaac and I could resonate with the audience that
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: we felt would pay the attention to us, and we
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: felt it would it was going to be us, So
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: we did not realize. Yeah, I can talk about it
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: now years and years later and act like it's it
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: was right there. It wasn't right there. I was trying
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to be sure and Isaac and I were trying to
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: be sure that our messaging would have the power of
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: impact potential for people that look like us, and when
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: it starts spreading beyond that, we start crystallizing our thought
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: processes for the concept of what we were doing to
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: make it even more powerful. And then we were being
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: sure that we're not we're not lose that, so that
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: you know, that was really all it was. It's easy
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: for me to sit back and just take credit. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: saw this, No, I saw that I wanted to get
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: up out of where I was, and how could I
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: use who I am to help me to do that?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Did the success ever cost you peace? And if it did,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: how did you find your way back to yourself?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Success has cost me peace with family matters and all
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: of those things, not being able to give to children
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: that that were part of me, and having to go
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: forward with with with all of that, finding out that
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I had to find a value in the path that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I was going that would separate me from people that
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: may misperceive what my intentions are based on how they
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: saw me interacting with them when they wanted me to
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: do it more meaningful. And I had to focus on
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: to getting the next session ready the next So yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: it's it. It played a role, and and and and
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and and having some ups and downs with it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: How do you find your way back to yourself?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I fell in love every day getting up that the
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: only way I'm going to be better for me is
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: being better to me. And so I had to go
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: about that. And that's a daily show. Some days you
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: feel like it and some days you feel like that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: You know, but but it's it's it's it's a daily show.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I think everybody who has any level of success, if
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: they if they tell everybody every day that they feel amazing,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: they're lying. So, yeah, I've gone through you know, even
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: with all the success, I've got a great life, I've
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I've gone through that because some things you feel you
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: can do more and some things you feel you should
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: have done less.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: You know, just you know, with some of the songwriters today,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: what do you think is lacking? If you are listening
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: in out of the younger songwriters right now, are there any.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: That you like?
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I am a huge, huge fan and have been for
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: several years of any ir I know, I've heard about
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the country some stuff. I am a huge fan because
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: she finds, as I say, inside of my my nonprofit program,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: there are no new emotions. You have to find a
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: fresh way to talk about common emotions, and she works
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: in a magnified way to do that. In their creative processes.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: And I think she does it magically when she talks
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: about brown skin. Yeah, when you have this perception that
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: you've been trying to be ingrain in you about what
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: that is, and she talk about it in such a
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: way that you want to lay with round skin, you know.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, now it's like, you know, yeah, there's there there.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: There are a few I learned. I admired writing in
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: the contribution of those who are contributing with Kendrick as well.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I learned some of the work I love, some of
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the work that I saw in jay Z and some
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: of the storytelling and those kinds of things.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: What is what do you think people are lacking when
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it comes to the storytelling and writing? What are they lacking?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I know you talk about the same emotion but figuring
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: new ways to talk about it. What do you think
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that they're lacking when it comes to songwriting?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: If any.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Well, it's anything I would say in today's world, today's
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: telling in that regard, they were saying of you, you
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: don't know, I mean what you're talking about, you old man?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: You know? And that's why I simply say, there are
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: no in you emotions. And I say to people Uh,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: if you don't, if you are lacking to understand of
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: figuring out what that truly means, then that's why you're
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: saying some of the stuff that you're saying that it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: totally whack.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Now, one other question from now. Do you feel like people,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: men especially don't express their love for women anymore? Right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: some of the songs you would hear people would express
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the love for women, like say I love you, I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: would do this for your.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Man's true back then? Yeah, right, were in love with men?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Right, but you're right, do you feel like that's missing?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: And writing now.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: That's the real what you just said and and it
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: and it heel is missing. It's because I don't say,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know know that I will have the answer why.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: It's because but I think that that that that folks
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: who are fraid to show true emotions are short changing
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: themselves of a gift, the potential for an amazing gift.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: It gives you a kind of peace and a kind
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of look and dignity about you that radiates through you
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: in such a way that's undeniable. And so for you
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: to try to be hard because you think that's the path,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: guess what you look hard? Some of these casts look
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: like and so so it's better to understand that there's
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: a greater value and giving the purity of what life
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: is really about. And that's the gift of life through
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: love and and so that's a weapon that's in a
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: positive way. Don't run from it. But you know, to
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: your course, Yeah, I think a lot of people think
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: that that's a path that that's worth going. I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: there's a greater value because the universality of it to
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: talk about things that involve love in the period of that,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: do you find a fresh way to talk about that?
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Do you think the feeling in the music was different
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: back then because the quality of the vagina was better?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Wow? Well you want to talk about it? You know what?
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Look at Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna be with y'all. I
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: watch you guys, and I enjoy this, you know. You know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: at first it's a lot of reasons that I'm happy
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to be on the show with you, but I and
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I you at to intereplate that you in the YouTube.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I say, if people would understand
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: the power of of what the beauty of this is
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: and what you're giving to them, then theyn find even
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: deeper value in some of the things that you are saying,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: so basically because because there's a lot of power in this.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But now at eighty five, right, you look good.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen a lot of your friends, a
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: lot of your peers transition. How does that make you
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: deal with your own mortality?
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Wow? It makes it makes me feel like I need
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: to be sure that I'm doing more for however much
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: much time I do have. So I got up this morning,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: did my stretches and did my little exercise inside of
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: that room because I didn't get a chance to go
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to the gym, so I could be sure that I
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: was be on point for you, because I know Michael
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Jackson made a record aout your y'all bad, and you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: each individually would bring it every question Lauren or just
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: are you guys that I know it was. It's going
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to be on point and it's going to be digging
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: for something deeper and I got to be ready ready
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: for that. And so uh, that's that's really what what
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: it means to me to to have the gift of
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: life that I have at this point, to try to
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: magnify whatever quality and mean that's exceptional.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You in the gym.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, you in the gym. My gym was the floor
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: this morning. I have a gym and I work out
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: of my house. Yeah, and yeah, I mean I love it. Yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I love it managing eighties in the gym. My lady
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: is Kangie aff Andy and Memphis Tennis seed and so
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, no, no, she keeps me motivating and and
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: and and on positive path. And you have to have
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: people that support you to help you to do that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I have to stay on point to be
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: on point. I love it.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever feel alone?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: All times? I feel alone when I get to evaluate
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: it myself, because then I have to look deeper at myself.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So I go through that every day. And David are
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: you bs?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And no?
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: David, Yeah, do you need the better about it?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: David should do it. Yeah, don't you do it? We
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: all do it. We just don't want to admit it
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to the public. But you put me on front street,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: so I'm saying yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: And I was also just speaking from you know, like
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I said, being eighty five and people that I know
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: that you've lost that. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's a
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: lot of people that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You can't just pick up the phone and no reminisce
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: with Yeah, I'm a.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Strong I feel it in a magnified way. Every day
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: there is I would love to be able to talk
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: to Reese when when we were kids and ma Reice
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: is Maurice White. When we were kids, his name was
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: not Maurice White, his name was Sandy. We call him
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Sandy because his hair was sindy. I mean to go
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: all the way from that point, all the way up,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: and then to to lose him and not have that
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: it's just yeah, Isaac the same identical thing. When Isaac
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: had a stroke, it was just it was devastating to me.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: And so all of those kinds of experiences I no
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: longer have. I have to find new kind of routes
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: to take to make my feelself feel good about the
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: day every day that to people that won't necessarily understand me.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Were those some of the things you cried about that
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: you mentioned when you were writing the book.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that is, you know, but I also think
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: about the gift as well, so it gets me back up.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: It also pains me when I heard so many stories
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: about know people that came before us, and you know
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: how a lot of them were addicted to drugs and alcohol,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: and it just makes me wonder what would have what
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: would what would the game?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Would the game have been different if people had more access.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: To mental health resources because it felt like it was
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: all just trying to escape something.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I saw those examples that that
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that made me be so fearful. I said just a
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: few minutes ago about five toilets. I was so scared
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I'd hate to citizen of having to live with an
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: outdoor toilet for life. That I had to be sure
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and whatever it would take for me to get to
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: beyond that, I would look for ways to do that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And one of the ways to do that was be
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: sure I didn't do something that could help hurt me
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: along the path of getting there. And if, if, if,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: if people would think about, what is the worst thing
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: that you've gone through? Do you want to double up
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: on that? And then if you don't want to double
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: up on that, will this possibly age you to do that?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe you think twice about doing it, because some people
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: do some things. And I'm gonna just have some fun. Listen,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: just throw down. Yeah, throw down means you need to
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: look at it. You don't need to look at the
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: word throw. You need to look at the word down
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: what that can mean. No, I just chose not to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: take that path. I've gotten a lot of contact high
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: for being. I remember when I was a kid. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: was in a car with John Adams, who was He
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: had a record call was Reconsidered Me and I was
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: trying to get the music bining, and I asked me
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: if I could ride with him. He didn't know me.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: He thought I was an aggressive kid. I would see the artists.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I would ask to ask them questions about how to
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: have a career. And I rode with them in the
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: car in arcke so and I didn't know what they
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: were doing. I'm young. I didn't know what they were doing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I got out of the car and I was trying
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to find the sidewalk walking and I couldn't heal the sidewalk.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I was walking on the side. I said, anything that
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: made me feel like that, I'm gonna run like hell,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and I ran like here from it. It was Reef,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: but I think it was rubor Reef. It had to
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: have a first name. If it makes me feel like that,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: and I don't touch it. Yeah, wow, So I said, well,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I understand why the temptations of some of these things
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: that f you up out there. But I understand that
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: who I want to when I said love yourself, what
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: does that really mean.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Outside of loving yourself? Where there are other things that
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: you did to get yourself to the point where you
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: were able to write the book. Because I saw you
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: say that, like you dealt with a lot of trauma
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: from the closing of Stacked Records. That's why you never
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: told your story. What did you do for yourself outside
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: of loving yourself?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: That?
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I've had several people over the years to tell
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: me because, like I said, I was into Stacks when
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: it was a country label, and I was so I
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: had so much to say about so many people that
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I worked with, and so many people that I knew
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: that that it would be a shame if I didn't
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: put the messaging of what actually happened out there. And
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: so many people were telling me that and said, David,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: you need to do it, and so I just feel like, well,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: before I'm out of here, let me go about doing
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: on it. But it was hard for me because of
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: the trauma of what happened in Stacks and how I
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: came out of that was amazing. Within himself. So I said, well, David,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: that's a story that should be told because how you
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: came out of that and how you end up getting
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: all of you assets, all your catalog and stuff back
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and all of that. Folk need to hear that, so
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: you know it just it just stimulated me to go
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: forward with it with encouragement from others, but also understanding
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: that it could mean something that's beneficial to me.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Well, what's something you was carrying your whole life that
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: you finally put down while writing the book? The sould
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: man like, what's something you've been carrying your whole life
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: that you finally put down while writing the book?
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Wow that I was a kid in high school that
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: was managed, didn't have didn't have sex education, And I
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: got a girl pregnant in high school and Mama said
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: you gonna have to marry. I said, Mom, I don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: know her, you know enough to pull a dress up.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: So I got married before I was prepared for it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I finished high school, and I adverse circumstances. I dared
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: with having to provide for a family while I had
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: this passion for music. I sacrificed to be able to
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: go on this path for music without being all that
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I could have been working at the grocery store for
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: some kids that I hope that that example that I
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: was able to offer them a college education and paid
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: child support and all those kinds of things would give
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: them a higher level of understanding through this book and
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: through what I'm saying to understand why I did what
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I did. It was for the purpose that hopefully they
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: can learn from in a positive way. So I was
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: able to purge that out in a public way, because
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of men who go through this step will
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: make that it's not an error life, but who go
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: through the thing of causing their life to be and
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: they do what they should do, the right thing. There's
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: some that don't, but those that do need to be
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: acknowledged for what they've gone through to do it. And
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I just felt like the book game an opportunity to
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: expound on it in such a way that you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I did this, but I'm not a bad guy.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: So you have a you have a seventy year old
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: child or sixty nine year old child. Wow, your grandpapapall
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: great grandpapa.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how did your I want to say, child daid,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: how did they receive that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: They've received it? Well, it's a little bit of hurt
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: when you don't get the chance to spend with somebody
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: that that Now you see everybody admiring and whatever, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you up in age and you didn't get it. That's
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: it's it's a little bit of that. But they understand
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: that that it was what I had to do in
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: order to be where I am and where they are.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: I wonder if adults back then realized the kind of
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: dysfunctional households they were creating, because yes, you had to
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: child out of wedlock, but you can't force all of
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: y'all to be together because that's not that's not going
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: to be a healthy relationship.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And you had you had very few things to fall
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: back on, you know, I mean all kinds of things.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Folks go through, what they go through, and they way
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to fall back. You had very few things to fall
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: back on. And one thing you have to to truly
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: deal with is what are you going to do? Now
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: you've done this? Okay, now what you're gonna do? And
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: how many things did you have to do? You had
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: on one side of the street people say you this
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you the end word. Another side of street you're trying
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: to figure out we are trying to get these little
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: minister job just to survive. In the other side of
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the street, you got somebody looking at you.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: What you're gonna do for me?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: You got it's man, it's a lot so yeah, man,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah. So So those times were challenging with a
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: level of lack of understanding for a great many people.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And I think it's a great question once again, this
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: is what y'all do that you asked because to hear
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: that testimony about that, maybe some people who it may benefit,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: they'll hear that.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: If you could spend one more day in the Sax
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: studio with everybody back together, right, what's the first conversation
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: you want to have.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Wow, if I could spend one more day after what
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: had happened happened. Yeah, don't give up. They gonna try
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: to knock you all the way to the floor. Don't
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: give up. Albell, you were a great asset, not just
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: to the Stax Records, but to America. Don't let them
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: take that from you. You know, Jim Stewart just come
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: up with a great idea to start a record company.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: You open the door for a lot of people to
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: become totally expressive in what they what they've done. Know
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: that it was appreciated. You know Rufus Thomas, you know
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: you singing Costs I Love You. That was a benchmark
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: for somebody looking a little bit closer at at a
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: company that was so much different than Costs I Love You.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: You are respected.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I would go down the list, ran s out in
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: one of the greatest voices ever sing a song and
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: let him know that what he did through his voice
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: was more than just the church getting healed from it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: There's other people on the street.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I was just what about the island?
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: And then Isaac. Isaac was my life.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I was his life.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: The unity in the bond that we formed together that
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: created a creative path for two young casts that never
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: imagined him having one was something unbelievable. I'd say that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: what he always wanted to do was to find an
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: artful way to do what voices like his is were
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: not thought of being able to do. And because we
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: created a path of concept to do what we did
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: through the way we created, he saw another path to
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: do what he wanted to do with his artistry, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: that was take songs that were recorded by others, take
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: his tone and his concept that magnified where he was
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: vocally and they could be one of the most powerful
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: contribution to American music that ever was, and he should
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: be totally applauded for it. He knows that I loved him.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: He knew it from day one un till he left here.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: And I would just say, boy, didn't see this coming.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: That your sack, because we call each other hobsack and robosack.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: You didn't see this coming, that your sack. I'm sure
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: he would say no, but I would go through the
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: room of all of that.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Soul man, ladies and gentlemen.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: David book is out right now.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Life of a Songwriter, David Porter. We appreciate you for
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: joining us. And one last question Bruce Springsteen, Yes, he
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: had had a note for you. What was your relationship
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: with Bruce Springsteen.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Well, Bruce was a huge fan of the songs that
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Isaac and I wrote, and he voiced that. Not only
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: did he voice that, he recorded that he's singing on
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: TV shows. He was a big supporter of Sam Moore.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: And then when we got together, he made me totally
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: aware of that. And uh, he just he's told me
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I'm much admiration. And so when I asked if he
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: would give a quote to the book. He says, yes,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: and it was. It was not a thing about talk
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: to this person, talk to that. He says, yes, he's rich,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing. He says, yes. Steve Jordan, one
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: of the most amazing trauma producers casts New York guy
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: right on the floor. He helped me with my non prophets.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Steve did wow. So yeah.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: No, some great great folk have voice support and certainly
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: for my nonprofit, all these videos that I have, Eric
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Bennet's and Letter Says, and all these great talents that
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: we're trying to give back to the communities that have
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: aspirations to do music. So I have a lot of
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: people to think if I start going down the list, thank.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: You, thank you so much.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I do have one more question, just for this eraror
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: because I don't know if they actually understand, what does
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: having soul actually mean in twenty twenty six?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: So that's what I want to ask you. What does soul,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: what just having soul actually mean in twenty twenty six?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Is it a sound? Is the spirit? Is the way?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Is it a way of living?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Soul actually means not being afraid? It showed the vulnerability
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: that lives inside of each and every one of you,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: of us and do it in a pure way. It
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't disconnect your manhood or your womanhood. It
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: just only magnifies the qualities of you. That lets people
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: know that you can understand the bullshit that they may
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: come up with when they come up with it, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you can also understand that the glory or the beauty
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: that they come up with. And that's what's soul. Soul
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: is a thing that can connect both ways. You can
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: give it, you can see it, and people can bring
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: it back to you. And that's that's that's what I
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: would That's longer than that, but that's that's what I
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: would saying. You guys got a show with a time limit,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: so I won't I won't go to preaching on what's sold.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: But I can't.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: No, No, you shouldmain so positive after everything you've been through, Like.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Wow, I you have never met I'm saying it's really
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: in a comfortent way because I control the space I
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: stand on and that's all I know. I totally control.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: You have never met a person more positive about being
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: black than me? Because everything I am, could be and
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: won't to be, lives in the power of that I
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: don't think that anybody else in any other ethnic group
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that was David Porter could be this. And I think
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: it's because of the fact that I come from the timber,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: that I came from the gifts that to me. And
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: so that's y'all ain't gonna give me emotion.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Reporter ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: That's right, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, every day a weak click your ass up the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. You'll finish the y'all dumb