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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 12-29-25 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: So one of the most surreal and intense weekends of
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  Speaker 3: being a Utah football fan is now just barely in
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  Speaker 3: our review mirror. What an odd holiday break from the
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  Speaker 3: fan perspective, where the longtime head coach in the face
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  Speaker 3: of your program, the guy that we're gonna see them
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  Speaker 3: build a statue for at some point, and yes, it
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  Speaker 3: will still happen. You're not gonna change those plans just
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  Speaker 3: because of what happened this weekend. Kyle Whittingham is now
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  Speaker 3: the head coach at Michigan, and we did an emergency
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  Speaker 3: broadcast on Friday Spence check Its and I jumped on
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  Speaker 3: for a couple of hours to try to process this
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  Speaker 3: Utah football legend. Eric Weddle, who's going to join us
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  Speaker 3: later on in the show today. That's after we talk
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  Speaker 3: with Ari Tempkin and after we talk with Scott Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle jumped on like a Twitter fans spaces to
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  Speaker 3: try to put out the fires and calm everyone down,
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  Speaker 3: because Kyle Whittingham leaving doesn't just put an end to
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  Speaker 3: this era of greatness and respectability and family culture and
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  Speaker 3: the comfort we have knowing what to expect from Utah football.
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  Speaker 3: But now the fact that he took another job at
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  Speaker 3: a college football blue blood means that you have to
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  Speaker 3: worry about what's going to happen with your assistant coaches
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  Speaker 3: that you would hope to retain, with the players that
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  Speaker 3: you would hope to keep in place to develop for
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  Speaker 3: the future at Utah football. I mean, the ripples of
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  Speaker 3: that stone falling in the water extend out past Utah Football,
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  Speaker 3: obviously down to Provo. You've all seen the reports. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not breaking any news. It is expected that Jason Beck,
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  Speaker 3: probably Jim Harding, maybe Lewis Powell, most likely Freddie Whittingham
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  Speaker 3: are all going to follow Kyle Whittingham to ann Arbor, Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: And the silver lining, if you want to find one,
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  Speaker 3: is that it looks like Jay Hill is probably going
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  Speaker 3: to do the same thing, and that undermines some of
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  Speaker 3: what BYU is hoping to do success wise. Moving forward,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna reprimand myself here I'm gonna chastise myself
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  Speaker 3: because I when Kyle Whittingham made the announcement that he
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  Speaker 3: was stepping down but that it's not a retirement. The
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  Speaker 3: first thoughts that came to my mind and that I
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  Speaker 3: shared on social media, that I tweeted out, were, if
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  Speaker 3: Michigan was smart, the first call they would make would
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  Speaker 3: be the Kyle Whittingham And it turns out that was
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  Speaker 3: one of the calls that they made. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that it was the first one, but they didn't make it,
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  Speaker 3: and there's mutual interest, and so they played this thing
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  Speaker 3: out until the end that we saw on Friday, where
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham announced as the head coach Michigan. I also
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  Speaker 3: immediately after that said well, this likely means that Jason
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  Speaker 3: Beck would follow and that Jay Hill from BYU would
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  Speaker 3: potentially be a first pick. And people got so mad
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  Speaker 3: and everyone up in their feelings. I was like, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, it is a little bit too raw for
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  Speaker 3: people right now. Let me take let me take these
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  Speaker 3: things down. That was an error on my mind. Park
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  Speaker 3: should not have done that. But in any case, the
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  Speaker 3: thought process was such an obvious one to follow. The
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  Speaker 3: train of thought was so easy to put in place.
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  Speaker 3: Michigan needs a guy that's a football only dude, that
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  Speaker 3: is a football first, second, and last type. Guy, that
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  Speaker 3: is somebody that is not going to embarrass you, that
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  Speaker 3: is going to help you develop culture, and that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: depart too much from what Michigan's expectations are. Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 3: checks every box except for the young guy who could
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  Speaker 3: be here for twenty years box. It's the only thing
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  Speaker 3: his age. And I've been making the point for years.
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  Speaker 3: His age is not the same as your age. My age,
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  Speaker 3: I'm forty two. Kyle Whittingham is sixty six. If we
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  Speaker 3: were doing a workout together right now, we jumped on
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  Speaker 3: a peloton or we got on a stair climber, he
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  Speaker 3: would outdo me, all right. And I'm not in bad
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  Speaker 3: shape right now. He has energy and motivation and drive
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  Speaker 3: that is hard for a normal person to relate to
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  Speaker 3: a normal sixty six year old person, a normal forty
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  Speaker 3: five year old person.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So Kyle Whittingham is gone, all right, and it looks
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  Speaker 3: like he's going to take with him Jason Beck and
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  Speaker 3: probably Freddie Whittingham, and probably Jim Harding and probably Jay
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  Speaker 3: Hill and maybe Gennaro Guildford, and I'm hearing different things,
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  Speaker 3: mixed messages about whether or not Lewis Powell intends to go.
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  Speaker 3: But the reality of the situation is surreal, strange, hard
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  Speaker 3: to deal with as it is tough to swallow. Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Whittingham and that era are over at the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll continue to digest this, and we've got some
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  Speaker 3: sound from his introductory press conference at Michigan. But the
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  Speaker 3: most important thing here for me now is the Morgan
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  Speaker 3: Scalley era beginning on Wednesday with a bull game against Nebraska,
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  Speaker 3: a Nebraska team that is incredibly vulnerable now for some
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  Speaker 3: of the same reasons, but mostly different reasons than what's
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  Speaker 3: going on at Utah. The Morgan Scalley era is upon us.
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  Speaker 3: And just because I think it's weird that Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 3: is a Michigan doesn't mean that I'm any less enthusiastic
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  Speaker 3: about Morgan Scalley and what he can do at the
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  Speaker 3: University of Utah. Now, I'm gonna spend ninety nine percent
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  Speaker 3: of the show today focusing on what I think are
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  Speaker 3: the solutions, because we know what the problems are, all right.
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  Speaker 3: We know that it's at an issue. If you lose
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  Speaker 3: Jason Beck to Michigan, top ten offense in the country,
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  Speaker 3: not something that we're expected to feel that the University
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  Speaker 3: of Utah, not something that we're accustomed to watching at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. How do you backfill that? How
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  Speaker 3: do you replace that? That's you know how difficult that is.
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  Speaker 3: That is a massive, massive problem. I'm not telling you
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  Speaker 3: anything you don't know, but what are the solutions? Who
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  Speaker 3: do you want to see eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred Tell me who you want to
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  Speaker 3: see be the offensive coordinator at the University of Utah
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  Speaker 3: under Morgan Scalley. We know what the problem is. Let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about the solution. Let's talk about the fix. Let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about all right, this is what I think you
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  Speaker 3: could do to slow the bleeding, stop the bleeding, maybe
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  Speaker 3: even improve Although it feels unrealistic to say, well, bring
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  Speaker 3: in someone that's going to be better than Jason Beck.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't want to put the cart before the
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  Speaker 3: horse until anything's officially announced. I suppose we should make assumptions,
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  Speaker 3: but come on, so, who do you want to see? I,
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  Speaker 3: like many of you have been on social media, I've
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  Speaker 3: seen the proposal that you get Brian Johnson to come back,
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  Speaker 3: all right. Aaron Rodricks's name has been floated out there
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  Speaker 3: because of some potential distrust or discord or upset over
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  Speaker 3: the idea that, you know, when Koloni Satake was exploring
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  Speaker 3: the Penn State possibilities, the scuttle butt, the rumor on
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  Speaker 3: the street is that maybe he wasn't intending to take
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodricks with him. I have no idea whether that's
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  Speaker 3: true or false or completely fabricated. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: their relationship is any different than it was three days ago.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea. Aaron Rodricks's name has been floated
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  Speaker 3: out I think the one that I like the best
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  Speaker 3: is Jonathan Smith, the former Oregon State head coach, longtime
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  Speaker 3: member of that fraternity up there with the Beavers, has
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  Speaker 3: some connections on this Utah staff. His former special teams
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  Speaker 3: coordinator and actually college teammate, Jay Cookis is down at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: He's I think a bit reason why special teams have
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  Speaker 3: kind of got back on track at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: He was my special team's coordinator when I was at
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  Speaker 3: Weaver State. He's got close ties to Colton Swan. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think Cookas is going anywhere. Again, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think he's going anywhere. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's an obvious connection to somebody like Jonathan Smith. If
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  Speaker 3: Jonathan Smith wants to get back into the play calling
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  Speaker 3: duties at a power for school. You see people floating
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  Speaker 3: names out there that are I think extreme long shots,
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  Speaker 3: something like Cam Rising. Now, the Cam Rising thing, he's
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  Speaker 3: coordinating his high school offense right now, the high school
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  Speaker 3: he graduated from down in southern California. If there is something,
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  Speaker 3: if there's something I'm most excited about from this Morgan
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  Speaker 3: Scalley era, is that it is going to change the
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  Speaker 3: relationship of certain players with the Utah football program moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone would call it a stretch to
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  Speaker 3: say that Cam Rising and Kyle Whittingham had their differences
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  Speaker 3: at the tail end of things because of the communication
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  Speaker 3: style and policies of Kyle Whittingham throwing a lot onto
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  Speaker 3: Cam Rising's plate with that injury situation and surgeries and
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  Speaker 3: don't talk about injuries and people starting to assume the
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  Speaker 3: worst about Cam Rising, and now I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: his relationship with Morgan Scalley is significantly better than his
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  Speaker 3: relationship with Kyle Whittingham at the end. But there's potential
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  Speaker 3: for somebody like that to want to come back into
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  Speaker 3: the fold. Maybe does that mean you're going to give
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  Speaker 3: him play calling duties? Probably not. We should also entertain
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  Speaker 3: the possibility that Morgan Scalley and I tweeted this, I've
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  Speaker 3: said this, we talked about it on Friday, that Morgan Scalley,
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  Speaker 3: because he's been the head coach in waiting for so long,
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  Speaker 3: he's got not just well, I want Jason Beck to
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  Speaker 3: be my offensive coordinator and if that doesn't happen, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just gonna curl up into a ball and cry. I
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  Speaker 3: imagine that Morgan Scalley has choice A, choice B, choice C,
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  Speaker 3: choice D for every job, every assistant coaching job, and
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley can call a lot of the same people
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  Speaker 3: that Kyle Whittingham is gonna call. But Morgan can also say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to stay here in Utah. One of
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  Speaker 3: the great things about the Kyle Whittingham continuity at the
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  Speaker 3: University of Utah has been the quality of life that
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  Speaker 3: it affords to assistant coaches. We know how rare it
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  Speaker 3: is to be in the same place in college football
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  Speaker 3: for even ten years, but to be there for twenty
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  Speaker 3: one years. When I transferred to Weaber State, Doug Elisiah
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  Speaker 3: was the strength and conditioning coach at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know who the strength and conditioning coach is
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  Speaker 3: at the University of Utah as of today, It's the
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  Speaker 3: same guy, Doug Elisiah his lead assistant when I left,
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  Speaker 3: Coach Argust. You know who's still there, August. These people
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  Speaker 3: have gotten to raise their children in the same schools,
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  Speaker 3: in the same neighborhoods. It is a rarity in college football. Hey, look,
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  Speaker 3: it's part of the reason why, Morgan Scalley, why we
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  Speaker 3: found ourselves in this situation in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley had the option.
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  Speaker 3: Of just staying on staff as an assistant and eventually
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  Speaker 3: taking the role that he now has because of the
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  Speaker 3: continuity of Kyle Whittingham, because of the consistency, because of
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  Speaker 3: the fact that he was the second longest tenured head
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  Speaker 3: coach in college football at one single place, and now
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley for the people that that matters, right, Morgan
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  Speaker 3: scali can say, Hey, I know that it's exciting the
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  Speaker 3: idea that you could go.
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  Speaker 2: And be a coach at Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: It's really really hard to fight that battle if you
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  Speaker 3: have that option. Like if Kyle Whittingham wants to take
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  Speaker 3: Sharif Shaw with him, and I have no reason to
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  Speaker 3: believe that he wouldn't want to. Does Sharif Shawn want
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  Speaker 3: to go to Michigan, Well, maybe he does. Does Sharif
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  Speaker 3: Shaw care about the continuity, does he care about staying
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  Speaker 3: in a place? Does he care about having to sell
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  Speaker 3: his house. It's really hard to fight the battle of
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  Speaker 3: people who have the option to follow to Michigan. Whether
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about coaches or players. We know that that
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  Speaker 3: is the problem. So what is the solution. Well, in
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  Speaker 3: that case, one of the solutions potentially is, hey, I
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  Speaker 3: can't pay you as much as you.
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  Speaker 2: Could potentially make over there.
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  Speaker 3: There's not quite as much prestige to wearing the interlocking
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  Speaker 3: eues or the drum and feather, But look what we
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  Speaker 3: have built here. You could stay and be a part
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  Speaker 3: of this. You can stay and be a continue part
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  Speaker 3: of the continuation of this process. Or you can go
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  Speaker 3: and in four or five years, when Kyle Whittingham is
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  Speaker 3: seventy or seventy one years old and he's done at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Michigan. You can be looking for a
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  Speaker 3: job again, and you can be wondering whether or not
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  Speaker 3: the neighborhood in Utah that you came to love is
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  Speaker 3: still affordable. What are the solutions? How do you keep
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  Speaker 3: the players do you want to keep? How do you
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  Speaker 3: keep the coaches you want to keep? More realistically, because
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  Speaker 3: fighting that battle against Michigan is more likely than not
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  Speaker 3: going to be a losing battle.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you bring in? Who do you bring in?
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  Speaker 3: Look, the first one for me, if we talked about
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  Speaker 3: we touched a little bit on Friday, The first one
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  Speaker 3: for me that you have to the box you have
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  Speaker 3: to check is offensive coordinator. Morgan's already making those calls.
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  Speaker 3: I promise you, he's already having those conversations. I promise you.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you want it to be? Eight seven seven
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  Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred at Reelo c Sports
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  Speaker 3: on Twitter. It does not have to be someone that
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  Speaker 3: played at the University of Utah. Alex Smith ain't coming
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  Speaker 3: back to call the plays. Okay, it's not going to
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  Speaker 3: be him. Brian Johnson maybe, But if Brian Johnson has
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity to take the Detroit Lions offensive coordinator job
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  Speaker 3: or the the Minnesota Vikings quarterback coaching job.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be really hard to bring a guy like.
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  Speaker 3: That back out of the NFL pipeline into college football.
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  Speaker 2: And let me remind all of you.
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  Speaker 3: That there weren't a lot of people that were over
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  Speaker 3: the moon excited about Jason Beck when he was announced
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  Speaker 3: as the hire from New Mexico. Let's not fool ourselves
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  Speaker 3: into revisionist history here. There was cautious optimism, but it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh, boy, that's someone I've been watching, that's
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  Speaker 3: someone I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's somebody that I'm really thrilled about. Now.
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  Speaker 3: It ended up being a remarkable success story at the
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  Speaker 3: University of Utah. And by the way, Morgan scally was
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  Speaker 3: the one accountable for finding Jason Beck, helping to narrow
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  Speaker 3: it down and make him the offensive coordinator this year.
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  Speaker 3: With the assumption being that you're working for Wit right now,
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  Speaker 3: eventually you'll be working for me. Nobody, including Morgan, foresaw
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  Speaker 3: the possibility that Kyle Whittingham in the eleventh hour was
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  Speaker 3: going to say, eh, you know what, I'm actually not
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  Speaker 3: going to retire and I'm just gonna go and take
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  Speaker 3: one of the five best jobs in all of college football.
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  Speaker 3: If anyone had thought about that, the whole calculus would
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  Speaker 3: have been done differently. The possibility that Wit was going
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  Speaker 3: to get a Michigan job and Poach poaches the wrong
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  Speaker 3: word for it, Okay, because, as I said on Friday,
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  Speaker 3: Whit is no longer accountable to the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: As hard as that is for all of us to process,
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  Speaker 3: He's just not. He owes Utah nothing, Utah him nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone that wants to follow him is going to do
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  Speaker 3: so of their own free will. Nobody is being forced
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  Speaker 3: to leave Salt Lake City if they want to stay.
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  Speaker 3: If Utah players end up jumping into the transfer portal
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  Speaker 3: to follow Kyle Whittingham, it's not because he held a
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  Speaker 3: gun to their head and said you better show up
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  Speaker 3: in ann Arbor with me. For years and years and years,
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  Speaker 3: for decades, people demanded that college football players be given
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  Speaker 3: an equal amount of free agency that the coaching staffs have.
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  Speaker 3: And we have been so lucky for the last twenty
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  Speaker 3: one years to not have the same kind of flux
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  Speaker 3: and changeover that is so typical in college football. We've
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  Speaker 3: been spoiled on it, and now that those hens are
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  Speaker 3: coming home to roost for once in Salt Lake City,
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  Speaker 3: it's really uncomfortable for people. But let's talk about the solutions.
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  Speaker 3: You get the offensive coordinator position filled, and then you say,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I think we need to hire Jordan
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  Speaker 3: Gross to be our offensive line coach. He was an
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  Speaker 3: All American here, he was one of the He is
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  Speaker 3: right now the best offensive lineman ever to come from
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah into the NFL highest draft position.
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  Speaker 3: And he's a guy that has already cut his teeth
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  Speaker 3: in the coaching world. And by the way, he is
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  Speaker 3: more likely to help us retain Kelvin Obot than any
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  Speaker 3: other person out there, including Jim Harding.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe we should hire that guy. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if he's interested.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he'd rather stay in Fruitland, Idaho
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  Speaker 3: and go fishing after practice. I think you could probably
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  Speaker 3: convince him because down and try it at the college
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  Speaker 3: level under Morgan's scalley, they were teammates tight End's coach.
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  Speaker 3: Bear with me here. If you're worried about retaining certain signees,
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  Speaker 3: and this is a this is an out of the
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  Speaker 3: box situation.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Ben Moa played tight end at the University of Utah. Celestiema,
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  Speaker 3: his son, is the second highest rated recruit in the
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  Speaker 3: history of the program, who everyone is enamored with, not
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: just regionally, but even folks in Michigan want that cat, right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You want to make it a legacy situation. You want
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to make it a family affair.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe you say, hey, Ben, you got to you gotta
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: set aside the the bare knuckle boxing for now, But
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: do you want to come to be part of my staff?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: You know how much that guy would help you in
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: recruiting if he's interested.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I promise you this.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: There's not a single person out there who would do
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a better job of going into the homes of people
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: who were raised rough okay, people who come from less
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: than privileged backgrounds, people who are from the other side
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: of the tracks, so to speak.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of them are talented. Very few people.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Could go into their living rooms and relate why Utah
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: football can make a difference in your life the way
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: that Ben Moa could.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's even interested.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I'm spitballing here because I want to focus on solutions.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham is gone. It doesn't matter.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: We play this blame game where we want to point
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the fingers, we want to attach some type of culpability.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Right all weekend long, I was doing the same thing.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Did he really want to leave? Did he get pushed out?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Did he make unrealistic demands knowing that the athletic department
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: could not meet those demands and thereby foisting the responsibility
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: onto someone else while he's playing this chess game of
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: realizing that he could maybe get a Michigan job along
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I truly don't know. We're going to get like.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: The deep in depth text by text, email by email,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: conversation by conversation.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Breakdown at some point.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: But what we know right now, the only truth that
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: matters right now is that Kyle Whittingham has gone. He's
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: going to take some of your best assets with him,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and you have to figure out how to backfill in
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a meaningful way. Morgan scally was instrumental in successfully doing
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: that last offseason when you were searching for an offensive
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: coordinator and a quarterback attached to him. Go back to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: this time last year, what did we all want? What
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: do we all desperately insist that Utah was going to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: have our Buckle and Mateer. Our Buckle and Mateer are
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: coming from Washington State to Utah. It's gonna be our
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Buckle and Mateer. I want it to be our Buckle
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and Matier. And then when it wasn't, a lot of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: people were complaining about, well we got the poor man's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: version of that. Well, we ended up having an incredibly
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: potent offense coordinated by Jason Beck, run by Devin Dampierre.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't think Devin Dampier is
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: going anywhere. I don't think that we should assume that
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Dan Pierre is going to follow Jason Beck. If Jason
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Beck officially is announced. I don't think we should make
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that assumption. We might not even be making the assumption
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: that Jason Beck needs to go go to Michigan. But
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to be a realist here. Yeah, oh see.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: I at this point in time, I actually kind of
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: think it's a wild assumption that Devin Dan Peer if
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: Beck followed, If Beck follows with to Michigan, it's been
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: a wild bit of a wild assumption that Dan Peer
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: follows Beck too. And it's not because I understand why
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: the assumption is made. He followed back from New Mexico
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: to Utah. He's they're they're tied together, right, But you
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: have Bryce Underwood at Michigan and I don't care. How
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: good do you think Devin dan Pier is. Bryce Underwood
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: is and he didn't have a great year this year
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: for the Wolverines, but he has the talent. He has
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: way more talent than Devin dan Peer has. And you'd
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: be a fool if you're Kyle Whittingham and Jason Beck
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: to be like, you know what, actually, we're gonna bring
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: an our guy instead.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you would be a full or maybe you
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: would be hedging. I guess you'd be hedging.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: But like Devin, I don't know if Devin wants that
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: because he's only got one year left of eligibility, right,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: I would think the greater, the great concern. And I'm
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: sure you've already said this or you're you're thinking this too.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: Is Bird following them not Devin?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Well? Is it?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Because here's the thing, we all felt like everyone loves
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: the bird upside. If if Kyle Whittingham wants two bird
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Ficklands in Bryce Underwood in bird Fickland, he could probably
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: have them.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe maybe they already.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: I didn't pay that close attention to their to their
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: signing class who they have coming in, but maybe they
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: already have a bird Fickland guy coming in.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I can assure you this, Michigan has higher rated
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: recruits in their class on balance every year than Utah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: with the exception of Obot at the offensive line position,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: with the exception of Celessie Mooa, who is what the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: number three athlete in the country in this year's class
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: or something like that, Like when you take it average
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: by average, Michigan is going to have the better classes,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the better building blocks, so to speak.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: But also.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Are we being realistic to think that Kyle Whittingham is
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: gonna go in He was at practice in Florida, right
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: he watched those guys practice. You think he looked around
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: that field and said, I want every one of these guys.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I want to watch all of these guys play for me.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Probably not. This is a man by the way that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: we have sometimes criticized, sometimes applauded for keeping things in house,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: for only for keeping the circle small and for it's
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: it's gotta be his type of people, and it's got
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to be people that he knows and all of a sudden,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: we are expecting that he's just gonna be like, never mind,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Michigan's got enough, That's all I want. He's gonna bring
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: like familiarity is a is a blanket for Kyle Whittingham.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: As badass as he is, he also likes his wobbie right,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: he likes motorcycles.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: He likes to know what he's got right.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: He's not a big risk taker in terms of, well,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the upside guy instead of the
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: guy that I know can perform. So the real tough
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: thing for me here is that he probably doesn't have
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to choose one or the other because he's at Michigan.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Now at Utah you kind of have to choose.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: And we thought we were gonna get to a point
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: this offseason at the University of Utah where the Utes
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: had to choose exactly that the established guy who you
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: know is giving you really good quarterback play or this
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: bird Fickland cat who we think has just unlimited upside.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And we saw some brilliants from this year, especially in
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the run game.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: If Bird Fickland is a bigger, better arm talent version
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: of Devon Dan Pier, well then you might have to
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: choose him over Devon Dampier because you're at the University
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: of Utah. We were like, can you pay both of
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: these guys? And then it looked then Bird resigned and
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: we're like, oh, maybe you can. You'll notice that the
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: assumption when Bird announced that he was resigning with Utah
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: was not like, oh, they've chosen Bird over Devon. Nobody
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: went and said that. Nobody felt that way because Bird
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and Devon are showing up together at hockey games and
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: jazz games and hanging out and there's no resentment between them.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: So all of us were just like, Okay, Devon doesn't
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: feel like he's being replaced by Bird, so that means
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: he's gonna come back as well. Well. At Michigan, you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: don't even have to worry about those things. This is
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: a temporary problem, a small problem for Utah to try
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: to beat back.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: The overtures of the Michigan Wolverines.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: But the more salient thing to talk about here is
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: how do you backfill If you're Morgan Scally, who's your
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, who's your offensive line coach, who's your tight
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: ends coach? And if you do lose, I'm gonna say
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: like six players at most to Michigan. Who do you
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: bring in to replace those guys? You have to have
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: answers to those questions, because pretending that you can stop
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: it from happening is foolish, is silly. This is why
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley was named the head coach in waiting. We
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: believe in his decision making, his charisma, his ability to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: fix these problems. I am as bullish as you can
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: be on Morgan Scalley. I hate that all of these
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: problems were thrown on his plate unexpectedly three days before
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: he coaches his first game. But he's the head coach
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: for a reason. He's the right guy. Eight seven seven
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred. Tell me who you
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: think is going to backfill? We gotta take a break.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking about this some variation of it,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: probably all day. Ari Tempkin will give us his thoughts
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: when we discuss it next on The Sean O'Connell Show
• 30:49
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• 30:53
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• 30:56
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• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a half am?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Who are you hiring? As your offensive coordinator.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: If you're Morgan Scaley, are you trying to fight the
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: battle and keep Jim Harding or are you just saying.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: You probably can't make this work.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Look, Morgan's not going to be making the same amount
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: of money as Kyle Whittingham. So if you're an athletic department,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: if you're Mark Harlan and Company, you're Taylor Randall, you're
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: you're anyone involved in the budget making process for Utah football,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Morgan's contract is probably going to be on two and
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: a half million dollars cheaper than Kyle Whittingham's contract. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: know that you're looking looking for ways to maximize your
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: profitability and your funds and tell the private equity partners like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: hey see, look, we've already got some heavy money off
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: the books here. Or or maybe you say, look, I
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: know Michigan's gonna throw one point three million dollars at
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: you just to be the offensive line coach, But can
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I make it worth your time to stay here by
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: using some of that Kyle Whittingham dead money, Maybe you
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: could try to retain Jim Harding and by extension, retain
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the continuity of an offensive line group that has been
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: now producing a bunch of NFL talent or do you
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: just say turn the page or turn the page Kyle
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Whittingham here is over. We appreciate everything he did. I'm
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scaley. It's time for me to put a stamp
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: on this program. And look, this is what happens in
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: college football. This is what It's so funny because when
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: urban Meyer left and took the entire offensive staff with him,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: all of us were just like, uh, yeah, that's what happens.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: It's not like when Erbermeier left for Florida after an
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: undefeated season. People were not as mad at him as
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: they are at Kyle Whittingham. You told us you're gonna
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: leave the program in a good place. Yeah, yeah, he
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: did say that when he thought he was going to retire.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I made this point. I did a podcast with my
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: buddy Sean Bingham this weekend.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, here's the thing.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I want your podcast to be as successful as possible,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: but not to the detriment of my own success. If
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I had the opportunity where I can get Kyle Whittingham
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to be a guest on my show or to support you,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I could put him on your podcast. Guess which I'm
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: choosing every single day of the week. That's how we
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: all would do it if we were Kyle Whittingham. I
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: got a lot of responses. I put up a poll
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: question about whether or not you're upset with Kyle Whittingham
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: or you're upset that that Kyle Whittingham is taking the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Michigan job, and most of the responses were no. I mean,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: almost a thousand votes, I'm not mad. I'm not mad
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: that he's taking or taking the Michigan job. Then I
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: asked the follow up question, will you be mad at
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: whitt for taking assistance from Utah football?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And fifty three percent of people said yes, we will
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: be mad.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: And then a bunch of people commented and say, I'm
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: not mad at him for taking I'm mad at him
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: for lying about wanting to leave the program in a
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: good place.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It's not a lie. It's not he wanted to live there.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Two things can be true.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: He wants you tough football to be successful without him, maybe,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: and he also wants to make sure that he maximizes
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: his own short run at Michigan. It's gonna be a
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: short run relative to what he did at Utah. You're
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: gonna bring every possible thing to bear. You're gonna say,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I want I promise you this. When he was having
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: those conversations with Ward Emmanuel, he was saying, what do
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I get an nil money? And if that was anything
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: close to what he was getting at Utah, he's saying, no,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want the job Den. What do I have
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: for my assistant coaches? If it's not more than he
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: was getting at Utah, then he's saying no. He gets
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: more for his assistants, he gets more for his players.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: And he's not anti paying players, he never has been.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: He's anti being handicapped by an inability to compete on
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: an even playing field. That's what Kyle Whittingham has hated
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: about all these changes in college football. That Utah was
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: in a Pac twelve conference that was losing interest and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: losing enthusiasm and losing blue blood membership.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: He didn't like that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: He didn't like being behind the eight ball with the
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: pay for assistant coaches, being behind the eight ball like
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: these are now Morgan Scalley's problems and they weren't Morgan
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Scalley's problems before. Morgan Scalley's problem before was how patiently
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: can I wait? Which by the way for me would
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: be a massive problem, but not one that is the
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: biggest deal breaker under the sun. Now he's got to say,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: all right, who do I find to replace whatever is
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: being lost? I myself am the replacement for the Kyle
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Whittingham thing that is being lost. Right, Morgan has to say,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I have to be some level of Kyle Whittingham replacement.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: You don't want to be an exact copy. But I
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: need to be someone that the community respects. I need
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: to be someone that delivers consistently. I need to be
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: someone that provides the same kind of reputation for the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: university and the fan base. I need to be someone
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: that puts football on the field that people not only
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: can watch as winning football, but that they can be
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: proud of because of who the players are. He knows
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: all these things. He's able to say, all right, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: can do that. He's believed and all of us, for
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the most part of believe that he is capable of that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: For the last five or so years, when we started
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: talking about him as the heir apparent, as the head
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: coach in waiting, as the obvious choice when Kyle Whittingham
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: has done so, He's the answer to that big question.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: That's one solution checked off. Offensive coordinator, big deal, defensive coordinator.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Who's going to replace me? I'm Morgan Scalley. I'm probably
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: not calling the defense. We saw Dave Randa doing that
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: at Baylor this year. Hard to do both, Well, it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: gonna be Colton Swan. Colton Swan was a defensive coordinator
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: at Weaver State when Jay Hill was the head coach.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: They had a great run together. Colton Swan can do it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be fine. And of course he's
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: gonna be doing it under the tutelage, under the guidance
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: of a head coach who has held on to this
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: role and has learned from some of the best to
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: ever hold the role. And that's gonna be okay, all right, cool?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Now what happens if you lose Lewis Powell?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yikes?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Defensive end has been a massive, massive position for Utah
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: to really excel at if Lewis Powell goes to Michigan.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: And by the way, he is the closer when it
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: comes to these recruiting visits.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, we wasn't it.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Was it Ben Newtolis directly or was it someone else
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: talking about Celestimo.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: It was Ben.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: He said, hey, Lewis is the one who restart, who
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: got the ball rolling back for Celestie to come to
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: commit to Utah and side with Utah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Leuis Palell called the moa household and said to Ben, hey,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: can I talk to my nephew real quick?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Like it after it was after it felt like
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: it was over.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: And when I say it felt like it was over,
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: there was reports that there's still the doors still open
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: a crack for him to he's still considering Utah even
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: though he's committed to Tennessee, but it still felt like
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: it was over. And then on early signing day the
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: more what did he say the morning of can I
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: talk to my nephew real quick? And then he flips
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: him like that was Lewis Powell.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: So if he goes, not only are you having to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: replace the technical coaching abilities of Lewis Powell because he's
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: really good at the attention to detail stuff. He meets
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: the vibe for that position group because he played that position,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: you got to replace that, right, So who are you
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: going to bring in? There's a lot of guys who
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: excelled under Lewis Powell or excelled before Lewis Powell was
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: that was coaching that position at the University of Utah
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: where you could go back through. It doesn't have to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: be a former player, obviously, but you can go back
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: through and you can say, well, could this guy do it?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Could this guy do it? Could this guy do it?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Could this guy do it? What's John frank up to it?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Does he want to coach here? I mean, there's a
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: lot of people that you could call. And one of
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the criticisms that we all brought to bear against Kyle
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Whittingham whatever the offensive coordinator carousel was going crazy right
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: is we were just like, he won't ever hire from
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: outside of his own circle, he won't ever think outside
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of the box. And Morgan scally was part of the
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: reason why Jason Beck and out of the box hire
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: quite frankly a BYU dude ended up at the University
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of Utah. So Morgan, I think, might be more capable
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of thinking outside of the box, or more I shouldn't
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: say more capable, just more naturally he does think outside
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: of the box.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Maybe he's more willing because he's at the beginning of
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: his career than wit was the end of his run.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Probably a little less insular when it comes to like
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: this has to be former teammates of mine, this has
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: to be friends of mine. Look, we saw Koloni Satake
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: make that mistake when he was first elevated to head
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: coach at BYU. Right it ended up being a mistake
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: for him to surround himself with a bunch of BYU
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: alumni who happened to be his friends and happened.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: To be similar to his personality. A lot of those
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: guys like it just didn't work out.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: And it's not a criticism against Reno Mahe, It's not
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a criticism against tavitolfen Gale. It's a criticism of the
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: idea that sometimes you think that circling or surrounding yourself
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: with the same people that you've always been surrounded by,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: loyalty to the group that you came up with, is
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: the only way to do these things. Morgan Scali is
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: a smart football mind, and he's also a brilliant person like.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: He's got high social intelligence, He's an unbelievable communicator. He's
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: somebody that even when he found himself at the lowest
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: point of his career, he handled it as well as
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you possibly can handle it right. All of these things
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: point to Morgan Scalley being the right guy, and the
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: solutions to these problems are far far more important than
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: the problems themselves. And we had a huge problem at
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Utah football last year when you had fired the best
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator that U taught football has ever seen under
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham. You'd gotten rid of him, You pushed him
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: unceremoniously out the door, mostly because of bad luck with injuries.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: And that was a huge deal. And the solution that
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you found to that problem came just as much from
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley as it did from Kyle Whittingham. And that
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: dude is now leaving again, creating an equally large problem.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the going back to the offensive coordinator, what if
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: because Jim Harding did spend what he spent a year
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: as the as an offensive coordinator under Kyle Whittingham, what
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: if they offer, hey, we'll not only let you stay
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: on here in your current position, but we'll promote you
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: to O C with the with the you know, pay
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: raise that comes with that and the perks that come
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: with that. What if he do you think that that
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: would make him go?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Maybe I don't want to be O line coach at Michigan.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: I still think obviously the draw of being O line
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: coach at Michigan is still huge. But I wonder if he,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: if if that would be enticing enough to say, hey,
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: I can still I can still have major influence on
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: this O line. Maybe you hand the Maybe you hand
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: the reins over to Isaac Asciata, who's been a coach
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: a couple of years under him and a and A
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: and an alum and make him the official offensive line coach.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: But you but he still has his fingerprints all over it,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: and he gets to BOC and gets.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Promotion that way.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: I wonder if that's something that Morgan Scowey's considering to
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: try to keep Jill Harding.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: On staff again.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: It's one of the decisions you have to make right
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and it's it's an interesting problem for me because we
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: just watched something happen at BYU where Penn State came
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: calling for their head coach and BYU was faced with
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: a decision too, well, do I really want us to
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: get into a rock fight with Penn State University, with
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: a big ten, traditional power that's got a lot more
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: football tradition, a lot more football money, by you had
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: to make a decision. And we were sitting here on
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: this broadcast desk, We were sitting here doing this show saying,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: if BYU chooses not to fight this, they are morons
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and they deserve whatever negative stuff is coming to them.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: They just capitulate and say, you know what, we'll let
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: him go. We're not paying whatever Penn State's paying. If
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: BYU had done that, and there were a lot of
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: people who thought they would, so they could just elevate
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: j Hill whatever, that would have been moronic to let
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Kolonae go because the same thing would have happened, The
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: same conversations would have happened, right where Kolonie is going
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to take the best of what he had at BUYU,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: and that means players and coaches. And now you're like,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, and by you did the right thing,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: and they didn't let it happen.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: And by the way, same thing would have happened that
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: is rumored to be happening at Michigan where both staffs
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: are being rated. Correct, like Jason Bank might have might
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: have followed Klanne to Penn State. That's that's a possibility.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: There was well that j Hill, you know in this case,
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: it's j Hill being rumored to follow Kyle Whittingham to Michigan.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: Both staffs are going to be in a bit of
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: disarray as a result whatever happened, and with the head
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: coaches of these programs.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: So BYU decided, you know what, we're gonna try to
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: win this fight, and they won that fight.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: They kept Kialani, they retained the players and.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: The staff at least for the short term that would
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: have been off into the transfer portal, off into the
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: wind off into Happy Valley, Pennsylvania. Utah was in a
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: different situation apples and oranges with the stepping down slash retirement, slash,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: oh look, here's a Michigan job falling in my lap.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: But now again, Morgan, Scali and Utah have to decide,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: do we want to fight it out for Jim Harding.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Do we want to try to retain Jason Beck. Do
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: we want to get into a spending war with Michigan
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: and with Kyle Whittingham, who might be feeling a little
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: bit spiteful maybe maybe, don't know.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Don't want to suggest anything that's not true.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: He didn't have that tone at the Michigan press conference,
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean, he's not f I just I
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: don't I.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Don't believe Kyle Whittingham is like the rest of us,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: where he's just like, you know what, not only am
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I taking at this Michigan job, but I'm gonna do
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: what I can to screw over.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: The last place. I just think he's not as petty
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: as I am in that regard.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, right, you can, as a Utah
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: football fan, you could throw your hands up and say,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: there's no way we're gonna be able to keep Harding.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: So hire Jordan Gross, elevate isaac ociata, whatever it is,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: or maybe you're of the mind like, no, we don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: have to just give up and say go ahead, go
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: to be the Michigan offensive line coach. Jim Harding has
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: been here for what this is his tenth season, eleventh season.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's been over a decade for I remember when
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: we first saw Jim Harding.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: He had these two little boys, right, these two like
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Great Dane puppies running around at like three years old
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: and two years old or something like that. These two
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: little guys running around practice. We would see him after practice.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: His wife is incredibly lovely. They would show up after practice,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like a lot of the families do say hi to Dad,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: and these two little guys would be running around. I
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: see Jim Harding and his sons sometimes at the Utah
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Mammoth Games.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: The kids are taller than me. They're giant.
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: They would be either in high school or just about
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: to start high school.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're at least middle schoolers, maybe like young high schoolers.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: And the reason I even bring that up is because
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in the coaching profession, you assume that your family's gonna
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: have to move like forty times unless or until you
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: end up on a staff like Kyle Whittingham has put
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: together these last two decades, and then you realize, Wow,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: there's a way you can do it without being on
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: the road like that, without being transient like that a
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: mercenary basically.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And look, Jim, I don't know.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe the hard his wife is from Michigan, so that
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: doesn't help your kids. I did not know that about
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: his wife. Okay, Jim Harding's wife is from Michigan. Pen,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: we could probably start writing that in pen then not
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: just pencil it in.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: But hold on, because home for them is Utah. Become here.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they've raised their family, where's their family here and
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: when you have from what I've gathered and I'm starting
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: to learn now with a little guy, regardless of where
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: you personally grew up, where you raise your family becomes
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: your home.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Correct when you have kids, right, you become attached to
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: that place. And look, I don't know. I moved to
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Utah when I was in going into third grade, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: that was I thought tough. But it was tough for
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: like five minutes. And I think of my friends that
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I left behind in Minnesota. I think I contacted those
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: people like twice for the rest of my life. Because
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: you're nine, it doesn't matter. Yeah, you make new friends,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: moving in high school, moving in middle school a lot
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: tougher and and maybe not something you have to do
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: to your family. And look, maybe they're excited about it. Again,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: these are all we're just throwing stuff out. Well, I'm
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: just I'm just bringing up the point that, like, if
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: you're Utah, you might try to engage in this fight,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: but it could get slow and ugly and put you
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: behind the eight ball and cost you too much money, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Or you could just say no, you know what, We're
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: gonna move on, don't even try to retain Bird Fickland,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: don't even try to retain Daniel Bray, don't even try
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: to retain you can and John Henry Daily can go
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: do his rehab in Michigan, and our job now is
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: to backfill, to replace, to do a better job there.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of like the natural path of
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: least resistance. But I don't know that you want to
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: take the path of least resistance in this case.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: It's not a terrible option, to be honest with you,
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Doing it that way is not a terrible option. But
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: from my perspective, maybe you feel like and maybe it's
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: realistic to go we can't retain both Jason Beck and
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: Jim Harding, but you probably should fight to retain one
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: of those guys, right, especially because in the case of
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: Jim Harding, he has experience his offense coordinator for your program.
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: So that's a guy that could be a solution for you.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: If Beck leaves, you just coached.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: The Outland Trophy winner at the University of Utah. At
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: the University of Utah, you just coach two guys that
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: are projected first round draft picks. You should have been
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: a finalist for the Joe Mora Award, you probably should
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: have won the damn award.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: That happened at Utah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: If you're Jim Harding, if Morgan Scali and Mark Harlan
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: have to call you and say, look, man, it sounds
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: like Kyle Whittingham's gonna offer his coordinators two million dollars.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Here's what we can give you. What if we elevated
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: you to one point six?
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Again, I don't know how realistic any of this is,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: but the idea that Morgan Scalley is just going to
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: kind of roll over and let the guys that he
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: wants to stay leave doesn't really fit with what I
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: know about Morgan Scali.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: He's a creative guy. He's an intelligent guy.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: And hopefully, hopefully this athletic department and hopefully the booster
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: department if there was one, and hopefully this board of
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: directors for this private equity firm are looking at these problems.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: We know what the problems are, and they're saying, here's
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: the way we can provide a solution for our new
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: head coach, Morgan Scally, who we probably helped put in
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: this bad spot by not having a perfect transition from
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: the Kyle Whittingham ere one thing do you have before
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: we take a break, James, and we'll double up.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Do you have the sound of Kyle Whittingham?
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: This, I think is the most important thing he said
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: in his at least for Utah. In his introductory pressor
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: at Michigan, he was asked if he was treated fairly
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: at Utah, And this is what Kyle Whittingham.
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: Said, Yes, I have. You know, the administration of the
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: university for my entire time there has been very supportive
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: and they treated me well.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: Again, it was my decision to step down, and I
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: just felt again that, you know, the time was right,
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: and I've seen too many coaches hang on too long
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: and just you know, gosh, why didn't I retire two
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: or three years ago that type of deal. And so,
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: in fact, I contemplated stepping down before last season, but
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: we had such a frustrating season. We were on our
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: fifth quarterback at the end of the year and just
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: so frustrating that I just could not end on that note.
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: And so came back and righted the ship, so to speak,
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: and we got back on track. But you know, no,
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: to answer your question, the university treated me nothing but
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: good during my time there. The community. You know, we
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: had one hundred straight sellouts and counting and the support,
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: and it was just a very enjoyable ride in Salt
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: Lak City.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: So I think a lot of us are going to
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: retain our connection to certain conspiracy theories and certain well
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: ideas of whether or not with that answer, he's just
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: taking the high road or is he telling one hundred
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: percent truth?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: But Kyle Whittingham told.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: You that he was treated fairly on his way out
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: the door, and that it was his decision. And the
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: responsible thing to do, the right thing to do is
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to take that for what it's worth, to take that
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: at face value and say, all right, then let's work
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: with Morgan Scalley and see what's next. Because again, the
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: thing that you can control is what's happening at the
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: University of Utah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: The thing that you cannot control is what happened two
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: weeks ago or a week ago leading up to Kyle
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Whittingham stepping down and then eventually taking this Michigan job.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: But from WIT's own mouth, he says, no, I was
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: treated fine.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: I was treated well. Enjoyable ride in Salt Lake City,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: and that ride is over now. The new Coaster at
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: lagoon has opened. It is the Morgan Scalley era, and
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: I'm getting in line and I'm waiting that six hours
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: for the first ride, whatever it is. And maybe we
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: get stuck upside down in the loop the loop, but
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: then they're gonna get it fixed and it's gonna end
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: up being a great thing.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll double up here.
• 55:19
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• 55:22
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• 55:26
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  Speaker 2: Scott Mitchell, welcome. How are you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: I'm doing great? Sean, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing all right?
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  Speaker 3: Anyone called you about potential quarterback coach offensive coordinator position
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: that might be opening at the University of Utah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: I haven't got a call from the University of Utah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Don't do that to us, Scott.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see, okay, all right, So let me ask
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: you this, has anyone of import called you about that?
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  Speaker 5: I will just I probably should just say no comment.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: All right, no comment? All right, okay, we'll move on
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: to the next thing. Let me ask you this, Scott.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: So there's there's an assumption now and there's a lot
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: of reports that Jason Beck is expected to go to Michigan,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: that Jim Harding is expected to go to Michigan, that
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Lewis Powell is you know, potentially gonna go to Michigan. Uh,
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: that Jay Hill from BYU is going to go to Michigan.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Nothing officially an now as of yet. But what is
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: the right stance for Morgan Scally to take now that
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: this is his team, his program when it's that kind
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: of a thing, when you're potentially losing guys you've worked
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: with for a while to a school that is higher
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: on the totem pole, that is a more i guess
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: financially flush institution that is more prestigious from a coaching perspective.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Should Morgan Scally try to fight battle with his own
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: bosses to get raises for assistance to try to keep.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Any of the names that I mentioned, or anyone who's
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: considering leaving.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: You know, that's a really interesting question, and I think
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: it has a lot of kind of layers to it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: And the first layer is when Kyle Winningham gets offered
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: a job at Michigan, like you have to do that.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: I just you have to do that. What she did
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: that was the most no brainer thing. And I think
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: it's very similar with a lot of these coaches, provided
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: that it's like a move forward for them. Uh. And
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: but but to go coach at Michigan, come on, Like,
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: I don't any coach that's ever coached that would be
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: an absolute dream job. The the other layer to this is,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: you know, the names you've mentioned have a long history
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: with Kyle Whittingham, and Kyle Whittingham is very loyal to
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: his coaches, and his coaches are very loyal to him,
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: and and they're you know, the coaching world is not
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: you want to get people that trust you, that are
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: going to be in the in the in the fox
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: toll with you when when things go bad and when
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: bullets start flying, and you want to know how people
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: are going to react under pressure situations. You don't want
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: to get into those situations and find out, boy, I
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: mean I'm with the wrong people. And and and so
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: I think all of those people, Uh, certainly you know
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: fit that Bill Now I think with a harding issue,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: you know, could he become the offensive coordinator at Utah,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: which I've heard some rumors about then that might be
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: a better situation potentially for him to get into the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: other side of it is on the Morgan side. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: Morgan's known for some time that he's going to be
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: the coach. And I guarantee you Morgan hasn't been sitting
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: around going ah, you know, I'll just I'll just inherit
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: all of Kyle's guys and and I don't think he
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: thought that. And maybe he has relationships with some of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: those guys. Maybe he doesn't, I don't know. But those
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: guys were hired, all of them by Kyle whitting him.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: And I think there's gonna be a sense of allegiance,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: and I think it's going to be a real easy
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: sense of allegiance because of Michigan and and probably the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: significant you know, raise and pay. But I don't, you know,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: Morgan's a very savvy guy. He's a smart guy. He's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: he's a great coach. He's he he wants to put
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: his stamp on this, his personality and what he believes
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: Utah football will be. And I'm sure that he has relationships.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm sure he's had conversations with people. I'm sure
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: he probably has contingency plans. You know, in the world
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: of coaching. You know, Kyle Whittingham didn't know Jason Beck, right,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: and there was some intermediary which was probably an agent
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: or or or they probably have some kind of service
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: or an ability to look at all the potential candidates
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: or the pool of candidates. You know, these coaches have
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: coaches conventions, they have a coaches association. So and Kyle
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: was in dire straits last year when when you know,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: at the end of the year when he when he
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: fired Andy Ludwig and or Andy stepped down or whatever
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: you want to call it, and and and he really
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: kind of lucked into Jason Beck. You know, it was
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: it was just kind of the right thing. And Jason
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: did a remarkable job. And Kyle's now developed the trust
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: there and and is excited about how Jason coaches, but
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: he didn't know it before. And so Morgan kind of
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: has that same opportunity. I mean, Kyle went through a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: lot of offensive coordinators at Utah, and really he went
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: through defensive coordinators. I mean he had John Pace, you
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: had Gary Anderson, you had Kilani. So the coaching moving
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: around side of this, it's probably an exciting thing for
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Morgan to figure out, you know, who he's going to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: have there, and he's going to get people that are
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: hungry and the right fit for what he's doing. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: he may make some mistakes along the way, but I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: think Morgan wants to make it his. And I really
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: wouldn't get too caught up in who should stay and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: who shouldn't stay and is it right is it wrong?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Kind of thing. Coaches move around, Coaches change jobs, and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: no one in a million years, including Kyle Whittingham, would
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: have thought he would be the head coach at Michigan
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: even when he stepped down at Utah, in a million years,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: he didn't think that. And then it came to happen.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: So things change. Things happened, and and and that's that's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: being a coach.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Which staff was is more damaged by these potential departures,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: the b YU staff losing Jay Hill or the Utah
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: staff losing Jason Beck.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I think it's hard, you know, with how it's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: kind of Jay Hill did something at b YU like
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: there was his his influence, his his stabilizing that defense
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: did a tremendous job. Uh and that and and he's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: he's certainly a coach that has really you know, when
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: you when you talk about done so much more with
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: so so much less, you know, what what he did
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: at Weaver State and what was truly remarkable, and then
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: and then really what he's done at b YU is
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: is outstanding as well.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: I think that's a hard thing to replace. But at
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: Utah you've got you know, you have this, you have
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: this offense. And I really loved what Jason Beck did.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: I loved his mindset. His philosophy was, you know, I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: don't know what my offense is gonna be. My offense
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: is gonna evolve, it's gonna it's gonna be whatever I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: have talent wherever we can find ways for production. And
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: I thought he did a beautiful job with that this
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: last year and identifying, you know, these players and Ryan
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: Davis and JJ Buchanan and uh Daniel Bray and Burd
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: Fickland and you know, and and really putting Devin in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: a in a really good place when he was healthy,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: he was really good, and way Sean Parkers others, you know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: but I don't think they knew that at the beginning
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: of the year. And and I think it's a system
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: that works well at Utah and to kind of get
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: that in place and then to have that go away
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: in a year. Who that that's that's a lot scarier
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: to me, because you know, what does Devin dan Pure
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: look like? And maybe he's not even here. Maybe you
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: bring in a new coordinator and it's a whole new
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: situation and maybe Bert Ficklin's the guy. And I don't
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: think that's a bad thing, but I think it's got
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: to be a system that certainly fits around what he
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: can do. It's kind of tough. I don't know that
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: one is. Both of those losses I think will be
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: hard to replace for both of those schools. It's probably
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: a little easier at BYU just because Kelaney is a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: defensive minded coach. You know, maybe Gary Stevens or not
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: Gary Stevens, Gary and does I say Gary Stevens or
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: Gary Anderson steps in and you know he's he's a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: you know, he could be a good short term replacement.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: He's down there, and you know there's there's a lot
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: of avenues there. But to find a good offensive coordinator who,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: I think that's gonna be a tough one to to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: find for Morgan and maybe one of those first challenges
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: for him to see how he he handles being a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: new head coach.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: But we're all I think in agreement that Morgan is
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: going to do a good job here. I expect there
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: to be some growing pains because when you're a first
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: time head coach, there's just some things that you didn't
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: realize we're going to be part.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Of the job.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe you don't know what you don't know, I think
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: is the most common phrase there. What is do you
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: think the biggest adjustment for Morgan? Because he's been preparing
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: himself mentally for this. Players on the team will tell
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: you that Kyle Whittingham has been letting Morgan like conduct
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: meetings kind of as a head coach, not just in waiting,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: but like in practice. So what do you think is
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: going to be the biggest adjustment for Morgan? Is he
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: takes over?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: Oh boy? Well, first of all, you know what you
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: talk about growing pains with Morgan, And I just want
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: to say, you know, he's been a coach. He's been
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: a coach for a while long time, and he's been
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: around a really good coach and and and he's learned
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: a lot. And as you've said, he's been given experiences
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: and so I think he's I think he's really prepared himself. Well,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: you look at Kenny Dillingham. He was never a head coach.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: He was actually quite young, and he goes into Arizona
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: State a former alum and in his first year. You know,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: so there's been precedent that coaches can come in and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: maybe not have growing pains, or or maybe the growing
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: pains are minimal. You know. I really think I think
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: the thing that that's probably the biggest challenge for Morgan though,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: is and I don't want to say maintaining the culture,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: but I think it's it's it's identifying his culture and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: who he is. And I don't think he can be
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: hot Whittingham, and I think it's a huge mistake. And
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: I think he's really got to say, you know, this
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: is who I am. And I think Kilani kind of
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: struggled with that early on and tried to be maybe Lavelle,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: you know, instead of instead of have I'm Kilanie. And
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: so when Kilani started dancing around and started acting goofy
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: and and kind of got to be this lovable, fun
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: loving person that he is and that's his personality, when
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: that really came through and that really shown through it.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Really it really connected with people and so who is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: Morgan Scalley, Who's his culture? What is what is his program?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: And I think there's some similarities you know, about family
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: and about certain you know, fundamental things. But it's got
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: to take on Morgan Scalley, uh, the person, the authentic person.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: And I think it's I think it's the biggest challenge
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: when you're because you're trying to do everything right, you know.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: It's just like, you know, I'm trying to say things
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: right and trying to act righte and trying you know,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: because it's all new to you, and you just got
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: to be yourself, you know. And I think that's always
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: the hardest thing for people.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: You you know, these guys, these coaches on the staff,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: and they're trying to prepare the team for a Vegas Bowl,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: while dealing with the rest of this backdrop, while dealing
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: with and approaching transfer portal window, while dealing with potentially
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: negotiations on who's going to Michigan, who's staying, who's headed elsewhere,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: because you never know what that kind of stuff. What's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: it like for this team and this coaching staff to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: try to prepare for a Nebraska team that is very,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: very beatable, by the way, but to do it with
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: all of this distraction.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's probably the nice maybe reprieve from all
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: of this, because these coaches, these players are not sitting
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: idly by. They're they're they're in constant communication. When when
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: they get you know, when the transfer portal opens, you're
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: just gonna see it like a lot of transactions happen quickly,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: like it's because they've already been done. You know. It's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: kind of like the trade day or the or the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: or the free agency day in the NBA or what
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: you know, And you're like, wait, you can talk to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: anyone before now. And all these coaches are talking, these
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: players are talking. They're all they're all trying to figure
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: out they probably already know a lot of them have
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: a good idea of what's happening. I think it's interesting.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: I haven't really heard anything on Devin and maybe he
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: had a conversation with Jason Beck and Jason said, look,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: I'm probably not going to be here next year. I've
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: got a lot of irons in the fire. I'm I'm
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: now a hot commodity, which I think Jason is. Uh,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: and so I don't think Jason thought Michigan was the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: commodity or the place and now it is and and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: then that kind of changes that dynamic between the two
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: of them. But I just think it's interesting that Dan
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: Pere maybe hasn't been clear. I mean, he kind of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: eluded that he was going to be back, but maybe
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: maybe he hadn't done something because of a conversation he
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: had with Jason Beer. I'm just speculating here. I don't know,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: but I just know that there's a lot of conversation
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: that goes on, uh in the back channels and and often,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: and that no one wants to be left with a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: place to sit, you know, when the music stops, and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: so everyone's doing every and that that's coaches included my agent.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: By the way, Sean called me shortly after Kyle. I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: mean like, I mean, the ink hadn't even dried, and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: he said, uh, can I get a hold Kyle. I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: need one of my clients. It's Biff Pogey, who is
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: the and he goes, you know, so he so they're
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: you know, they're all talking and to kind of get
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: back to your your question, I think playing the game
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: is like, oh, thank you football, you know, he can
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: kind of get away from all these distractions. And it's
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: always one of those things whereas chaotic and crazy as
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: your life is, everything seems normal on a football field
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: and during a football game.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: How important is it for Morgan to start his tenure
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: with a win here?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Oh? You know, bowl games used to be so important,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: you know, and and like and there was a time
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: when you know, Utah had a formula for how it
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: handled and prepared for bowl games and and they took
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: it like a reset on the year and they worked
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: really hard. Uh, And then other schools were like, man,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: this is a vacation for us, and it's a celebration
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: and and you know, they don't take it as serious,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: you know. And Kyle was like ten and zero in
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: his first bowl games. And I think now the whole
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: dynamic has really changed, uh, for the bowl games. So
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: you used to take more stock and who won and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: kind of the conferences that had the most wins, because
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: then it kind of to see our conference is better
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: than everyone else's kind of thing. And with all the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: guys sitting out with all the influx you know of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: things like what's happening at Utah, I don't know that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: it really matters, you know, certainly, I don't think it matters. Actually,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: I think what really matters is folks are going to go, Okay,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: what happens Sanuary? Second, what happens with the coaching staff,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: and what happens what does this team look like next year?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: I think I think that's what's really people are going
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: to focus on. I don't think it's I don't think
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: whether you win or lose this game is going to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: have any impact whatsoever on that situation. The only thing,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: probably the best thing that's happened is all the practice
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: time and all the downtime. I mean, Morgan's now having opportunities,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: just like Kyle is to meet with and talk to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: and recruit his team. And I'm sure that's part of what.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: You know, that's the best part. That's the most important
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: thing that's going to have the biggest impact on Morgan,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: more so than the outcome of this game.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of Utah fans that are up
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: in arms over the idea that Kyle Whittingham made this
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: promise that he wasn't gonna leave unless it was in
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: the best interest of Utah football, and he made a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: big deal about making sure that the program was in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: a good place and that had something to do with
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: his timing, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: And there are a lot of people who are like, well,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: hold on, you're.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Not leaving the program in a good place if you're
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: now taking our best coaches and maybe some of our
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: best players in the transfer portal. I still think a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: case can be made that you left the program in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: a pretty good place. Even if Jim Harding leaves, or
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: even if Jason beck leaves or whatever.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Where do you stand on that?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I know coaches say a lot of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: things and their coach speak, and that might be a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: little coach speak. It's just kind of you know, Kyle
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: Witningham is a coach, and I think he probably still
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: wanted to coach at Utah. I certainly don't think he
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: thought there was ever any chance to go to Michigan.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: It's just the timing of everything was just absolutely perfect.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: And I do think he's left the program in an
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: incredible place. He took he took the program somewhere it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: had never been and just was a was a steady
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: force for a long period of time, and he got
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: the most out of the people that he was around.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: He showed a formula in a way of how you
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: talk could consistently win and be competitive and in big
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: time college football. And so I think you have to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: just tip your hat to him and just appreciate everything
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: that he brought to the university. Whenever someone leaves, no
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: matter what it is, it's it's almost one hundred percent awkward,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: and it never it's maybe even a little ugly in
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: some in some senses, but it's part of the business,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: and it's part of how it works. And you know,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: it's so much better for everyone to look forward, get
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: excited about Morgan and what he brings to the table,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: and get behind him. And and you know, I think
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Cole made the comment he says, you know, here here,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: this coaching staff at Michigan went nine and three, and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: most of them are going to get fired. And that's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: just the nature of kind of the coaching position. And
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: you know, Kyle, I mean, if it's just coaches that
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: you're losing, you lose coaches all the time. I mean,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: that's just part of the business. And I don't necessarily
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: think it's a bad thing. But he's done way, way,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: way more for this program than destroying it or leaving
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: it in a bad spot.
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  Speaker 3: I will agree with that wholeheartedly. Scott, thanks for your time,
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  Speaker 3: as always, appreciate you, my friend.
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  Speaker 5: You got a buddy. Thank you. Have a great day.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Mitchell hosted The Down and Dirty right here on
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• 1:16:43
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• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: upcoming Vegas Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: We will have full pregame coverage. We will have full
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  Speaker 2: game coverage.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna do a little watch party down at Big
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  Speaker 5: Hope.
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  Speaker 2: We will see you there.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: We're actually on remote there tomorrow, so we'll be doing
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: the show there from Tuesday and we'll be watching the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: game there on Wednesday. Eric Weddle's going to join us next.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: He has been the calming voice for a lot of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Utah football fans. We'll see if he still feels that way.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: The football Legend for New yor Utes joins us next
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  Speaker 3: on ESPN seven.
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  Speaker 1: M You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
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  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 1: two to one half to.
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  Speaker 9: M Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell show, Welcome in
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: the Utah football legend, Eric Weddle.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: He he went on Twitter, he took to the fans space,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: and he calmed the fears and the overreactions of Utah
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: fans for like an hour.
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  Speaker 2: The other day. We're lucky enough to We're lucky enough.
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  Speaker 5: To get him.
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  Speaker 2: Now on the Shawan Kyle Show, he doub what's up?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: What's up?
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  Speaker 10: My brother? Hey, it's never lucky to go on your show.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: I come home whenever you want me.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: My friends, I appreciate it.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it immensely.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: So look, obviously a crazy weekend, massive news that Kyle Whittingham.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: We knew Kyle Whittingham was done at Utah and there
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: were you know a few of us who thought maybe
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: he is going to keep coaching. And Michigan said yep,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: and he said yep. And it's strange to see him
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: saying go blue and wearing Michigan and Wolverinees gear.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: But it's the reality. Now, what are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, holy smoke, says probably crazy seventy two
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 10: hours for.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of us.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 10: You tough hands and die hards and never did we
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 10: think Coach would be coaching somewhere else, But the reality
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: is is he is. And how awesome for him? Right
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 10: if the desire is there to still coach and rebuild
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 10: a program that's in disarray, and shoot, man, why not
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: go for it? And for us, for the youths, and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: our future is in the direction of Coach Scaley and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 10: I couldn't be more ecstatic and excited for him and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 10: and his direction and his vision that he wants to implement,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 10: and and for all Utah fans like we love coach
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 10: with and we wish him the best. But he's not
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 10: a part of our program anymore. So uh, he's He's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 10: the head coach at University of Michigan. So my focus
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 10: and my energy and what I'm trying to do is
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 10: support the boys, our program, our university that I love
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: so much, and our new head coach.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you and I are both excited about
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: the new head coach. Morgan Scali is a guy that
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: you played a lot of ball with.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I watched him play a lot of ball up close.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: He's the right dude, He's the right guy to take
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: over this program. I think he's a brilliant individual. I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: think he's incredibly charismatic. I think there's some advantages that
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: he has that even Kyle Whittingham, despite his experience, doesn't have.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: But this does.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: Feel like a little bit more of a rocky start
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: to his tenure than a lot of us expected. How
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: much does that affect this changeover for you? The handover
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: we had kind of envisioned head coach in Waiting to
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: be like this really smoothy Wittingham rides off into the sunset,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: and that means like Morgan keeps probably the entire staff
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: together for the most part, and now he's gonna have
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: to scramble a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: How's he gonna handle it.
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  Speaker 8: He's been he's been built for this moment.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, is it not perfect on both sides? No, but
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: Coach Wait is a stubborn individual.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: So this.
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  Speaker 10: Having a ceremonial send off with a statue and him
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 10: riting off in his chariot, like, that's not Coach Wait. Okay,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 10: everyone that knows them personally as somewhat of a close
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 10: relationship with him, it knows that's not who he is,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: that's not what he'd want, and everyone just has to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 10: kind of accept that and for Margan, he's been prepping
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 10: for this for.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: The minute coach would stepped down.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, so of who's he going to have, what's going
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 10: to have, what's going to look like retention and recruits,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 10: and so he's preparing for this. And as a head coach,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 10: and I can only speak at the low level of
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: high school right when you're embarking on this adventure, it's
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 10: not an easy one and you're going to have challenges
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 10: as a head coach. No, no one can prep you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 10: for that.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 8: But if you can and you're able to.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: To get the guys in there that you want, that
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 10: you know that we'll have your back and are loyal
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 10: to you, that is a huge advantage. And now Morgan,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 10: rightfully so or rightfully not whoever, whatever coaches want to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 10: be there, great, whatever coaches want to move on, go ahead.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 10: But now he's able to bring guys in that he wants.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 10: And now for the future, good batter indifferent. It'll be
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 10: his way and his vision and his culture and everything else.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 10: So I am actually it's a blessing to this guy's
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 10: in the in the in the grand scheme of things.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 10: If I if of my honest opinion, and I think
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 10: we're going to be better for it.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's put this to bed one way or another.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: Here.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people immediately say, all right, Morgan, he's
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: going to bring in Eric Weddle.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Eric Weddle is going to be on his staff.
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  Speaker 3: I keep I keep trying to I keep trying to
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: tell people that's not a reality until your kids are
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: out of high school. But I shouldn't speak for you.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: You tell us as as Morgan already offered you a job.
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  Speaker 10: Uh, yeah, Morgan, I talk frequently. He's offered me the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: job multiple times. Year after the year. I think it's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: I think it's an annual.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: You have a job waiting for for me.
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  Speaker 10: But like you said, the timing isn't right. He's an
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 10: assemble I know, I know one of the hires. Am
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 10: I going to give that away for the safety's coach?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 10: And uh, you know he's going to assemble an incredible
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 10: staff that is going to be the best of the
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 10: country in my opinion. And he's going to do an
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: unbelievable job as the figurehead and the leader of our
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 10: program and.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: Focus on on that.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: And I know he's excited for that day challenge, excited too,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 10: for a new coaching, and he's been that coordinator for
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 10: a long long time and that waits on you. So
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 10: uh No, I'm not coaching, not yet.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: Uh It maybe.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 10: Sooner than later, when my son's gone and wherever he's
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 10: gonna be playing collegeball at. But I would love nothing
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 10: more to stand on the sidelines next to Morgan and
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 10: helping out the young man.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 8: And the time is not right.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: I was asking people this today. I want I want
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: your perspective on it. If you're Utah, if you're Morgan,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: if you're the athletic director of the athletic department, if
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: you're the people who decide how money is spent, whatever,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: put yourself in any role you want. Do you try
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: to fight it out with Michigan or do you just say, look,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: if they want to go to Michigan, they're going to Michigan.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: From either an assistant coach or a player perspective, once
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: this transfer portal opens, Michigan has money that Utah doesn't.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: They have influence that Utah doesn't, They have prestige that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Utah doesn't. Do you try and fight it out with Michigan,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: or you just say, all right, we got to replace
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: this guy, this guy, this guy. Can you win those battles?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: If you want to fight it out with Michigan, how
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: would you approach that? Because I know how competitive Morgan
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: is and how competitive you are. But also if a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: guy doesn't want to be there anymore, or if a
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: guy thinks that he's got a better situation in Michigan
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: you taught historically underwent and with his assistants. Of course,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: of course one of those guys is now the head coach.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: They've kind of just been like, all right, fine, you
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: think you're gonna have a better time at Alabama, go
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: and will watch your replacement have a better year than you.
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  Speaker 2: How do you handle it?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you're how I would handle it. And
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 10: me and Morgan think very alike, and a lot of things,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 10: and how trying to bring back the right kids that
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 10: want to love our university and our community and the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: alumni and the and the things that bring back the
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: UI identity per se. I think it's been lost over
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 10: the last few years of just guys want to be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 10: here and stick it out.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: If you don't want to be here.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 10: Then go, hey, we don't need to beg guys to
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 10: be a part of our university. And let's get back
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 10: to recruiting football players and we do more with less,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 10: and that's a compliment to our coaching and our development
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 10: and guys that want to be a part of our program.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 10: So let's get the right guys that want to be here,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 10: that want to compete, that don't that don't frail at
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 10: adversity and don't succumb to the levels of competition. Like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 10: we rise to competition, we rise to anyone that thinks
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 10: they can out physical. So let's get back to that.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 10: You know, like if you want.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: To go to Michigan, go to Michigan. Kay go.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 10: We'll use that money and we'll use that for people
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 10: that want to be here. Coaches included.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: This is a different perspective because I'm not asking you
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: what it does to the utes here.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: But what does losing j Hill do to BYU man.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: I don't know if it's true or not.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 10: I've kind of you know, Jay and I are very
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 10: close and I'm just being a supportive friend. And what
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 10: an amazing job second half adjustment he did and they
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 10: did as a team. It's really cool to see the
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 10: success at BYU this year on you know rivalry aside,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 10: like it's awesome for the state, awesome for that program
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 10: with the man that are leading that program. So just
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 10: want to give a shout out to them, Well what season.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 10: It's not easy to come by and should be congratulated.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: So I've just been there.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 10: For him and I haven't pressed that issue. So I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 10: don't know what's true what's not true. If they do
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 10: lose them, that's a that's a huge.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 11: Huge loss. I don't even know how to.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 10: Compute how big of a loss it would be, not
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 10: just as a as a coach. He's probably a top
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 10: ten defensive coordinator in the country. Uh, you know, I
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 10: don't even know how to measure it. But I know,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 10: I know. I mean, I see a lot of ball
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 10: and I put him in in a in a high category.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 10: And then on top of that, just the leader, the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 10: type of man he is. I know he's got goals
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 10: and so you wish him the best. That's the case,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 10: But that would be a huge, huge loss. But you know,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 10: Klannie's Klannie's the figureheads and he's the guy that rallies.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: And can easily I won't say easily.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 10: You're not gonna just replace a guy like Jake, but
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 10: it's on him to get it done and then hopefully
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 10: he's been you know, grooming per se and preparing those
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 10: assistants for the opportunity. Or if it's an outsider, it's
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 10: your job as a head coach to make sure that
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 10: the defensive coordinator.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 8: Does job the right way.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 10: And there's no stepback.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: As you're you know, watching this staff be filled out,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: and even you know, I think it kind of fits
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: with what you're saying about player personnel. You got to
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: get guys that want to be here that don't view
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: this as a stepping stone type job, et cetera.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: How unique of a job is the University of Utah.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: We talk about how unique it is to be at
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: like a service Academy or BYU because it's an LDS
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: institution and the honor code and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: But Utah has been a pretty unique job in my opinion,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: and it's a unique place, a unique university.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: We try to keep it that way.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: How important is it that the the guys that Morgan
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: wants to bring onto this staff, or you know, even
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: like the support staff, are the right dudes. No understand
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: what Utah is maybe have Utah connections previously because we
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: have a tendency as a ute fan base. You say, hey,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: who should be the next offensive coordinator? And it's just people,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's people. We already know it's I've
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: already seen Aaron Rodericks do it. I've already and Brian
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Johnson do it. Let's bring these guys back. You know
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: how important is that a connection to Utah to be
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: on the Utah staff.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's I think it's twofold.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 10: I think definitely management and guys in the in the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 10: know or making decisions hand in hand with Morgan need
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 10: to be in line with Morgan and his vision and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 10: what he uh sees fit for the program. Uh, whether
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 10: it's players, whether it's any decision making needs to be
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 10: a lockstep and.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 8: In hand in hand with Morgan.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 10: And no better way to do that if you understand
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 10: what Utah is all about and understand our culture and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 10: in our history. So yes, I do think and uh
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 10: that that some some history with our program is is
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 10: huge and beneficial. Uh and especially on the defensive side
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 10: of the football.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 10: Now, when we go to offense, I think it's just
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 10: the best man to do the job.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 10: You know, you have gone through guys and different coordinators
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 10: and good times at bad times.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: I just think.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 10: It goes without saying across the board, but especially on
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 10: offense sites. You interview, you have an idea what you
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: want your offense look like, and you go get the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 10: best guy to get the job done. And then you
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: go support, make sure you have the resources and get
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: the right players in there that can execute. And if
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 10: you're able to adapt to the players that we do
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 10: have to make sure we're successful. That's all that matters
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 10: at the end of the day.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: Can you coach?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 10: Can you get your guys to buy into what your
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 10: preaching and your culture, and then can you get the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 10: job done as a coach for preparation getting your guys
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 10: to play at the level that is acceptable to go
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 10: with a championship?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: I have to ask you an NFL question because for
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: a couple of years now, every time I bring up
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: my forty nine ers with you, you get to laugh
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: and talk about how.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 8: There's no more laughing about them.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Right now, babes, how are they doing?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Because you're Trent Williams played one snap against the Bears. Obviously,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: you've been without Ayuk, you've been without Bosa, you've been
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: without Fred Warner.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Those are four of the best players on the team.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: You've missed party for half the season, and yet they're
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: still in the mix for the number one seed in
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: the NFC.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 10: I would say, uh that this is one of the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 10: best coaching jobs I've seen in a long time. I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 10: don't know why Kyle Fans not up for or a
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 10: lock for Coach.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: Of the Year. Uh.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: Rock Perty's playing at an MVP level tight quarterback. I
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 10: mean his eight game stretch this year twenty three total touchdowns.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 10: I hadn't got read and that has happened in like
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 10: twenty five years. So he's playing outstanding. I still think
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 10: there are times where the pressure of the looks he
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 10: gets a little frazzled and he can go to like
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 10: a party that we don't like. It's very minimal, damn nitpicking.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 10: He's been playing outstanding. The only negative that I could
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 10: say is they're probably I don't know who's gonna win.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 10: We Gatk's it's incredible the job. I think it's the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 10: number one seed unbelievable. I just don't think they can
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 10: win a Super Bowl.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: With that defense.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 10: I mean, that is the only thing holding the Niners back.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 10: And I think if they get matched up with the
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 10: Rams or I think the Rams the only one that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 10: will beat them in the playoffs. If I'm being honest,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 10: I don't think the Eagles can.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: I don't.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 10: I don't know if they beat Seattle getting them at
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 10: home again, Like, I don't know. I just think the
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 10: Rams is a pass stuff. But I doubt they can
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 10: win it this year because their defense is just not
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 10: they're bad at that. Not because they don't not coach
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 10: Bill just the last in the league of stats. They
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 10: don't get fresh on the quarterbacks, and they're not very
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 10: good on the back end.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 8: So but the way Perty's playing, it doesn't matter.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 10: He's playing incredible.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 8: So they are fun to watch. I've watched them last
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: couple of.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 10: Weeks and really impressed the job that they're doing. And
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 10: you can tell connected they are. Just it just is
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: a great reminder. And I know I'm talking a lot
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 10: about the Niners. Uh, it's a great reminder that it's
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 10: not always the most talented. It's the best team, the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 10: most connected team that usually wins. And they're prime example
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 10: of that.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Are the Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: Legit.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 10: Uh, they're legit.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: Do I think they're gonna win it?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: All?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 10: Though out of the AFC it's kind of a toss up.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 10: I think the Super Bowl winner is gonna be in
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 10: the NFC. But they're I mean yeah, I mean they're
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 10: legit in the sense that they could come out of
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 10: a sc but I think they will them.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 8: All.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 10: Right, what is it?
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 10: But I'm wrong a lot when it goes things, I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 10: work for it.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: That's everyone is now gambling their mortgage payments on what
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: you just said. They're the expert here. Uh what does
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: the what does the football offseason look like?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: In high school? Right now?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: I mean back in my day, it was just the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: football's off. You're not working out, you watch the football
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: team anymore. You're playing basketball, you're wrestling, you're doing whatever.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Is it like that still or are you guys are
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: engaging with your team?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 10: Oh gosh, I'm there. You know, we're on Christmas break,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 10: but the fifth I'm back and I'm there every day
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 10: fourth period football. So we try to make it fun
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 10: the offseason because if I if I did football every day,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't have a team lay all quit so that's
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 10: the way these kids.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 8: Are nowadays, so we do. We'll probably start out.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 10: January February, will probably be in the weight room half
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 10: the class three times a week, building up to four
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: times a week by March April, and then leading into
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 10: the summer, and then the other half of the period
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 10: it could be.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 8: On the board, white you know, whiteboard.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 10: Talk, football talk, leadership talk, get to know your teammate talk,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 10: team building, that that type of stuff. And then the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 10: other two days won't be playing like basketball or field
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 10: hockey or.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 8: Just something so the kids can have fun.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Is your son playing basketball for the school this year?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 8: No, he's not.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 10: He's he's actually a training in Orange County right now,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 10: QB stuff, So he's he's all in football.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 10: It's hard to hard to tell him to take a
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 10: break when he sees, uh, his dream so close.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: So did I did I see correctly? He got an
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Elite eleven invite? Is that right?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: He did?
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 10: He did what's his which is cool, and and uh
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 10: he's excited to go see what what he's got to
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 10: improve and.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 8: Make some of that.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 10: So there's a lot of stuff that's gonna he's got
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 10: going on the next six months to figure out, you know,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 10: what schools wanted for what and what he wants to do,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 10: and he's, uh, he's working, So I'm just kind of
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 10: along for the ride.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: Well, you're doing a great job with him, and what
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: I know of your other kids, that's also true there,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: which I know is the most important thing for you
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: and your lovely wife. Thank you so much for your time,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: as always, have a happy New Year'll chat again soon.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: You're gonna be in Vegas for the game.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: We got it. We're doing a show here, so I'm
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: not going to be there.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, of course.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 10: In a couple of days.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 8: The game.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: All right, go tell go, tell all the good players
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: to stay all right, all right, Love you dude. Eric Weddle,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: Utah football legend and for the foreseeable future, still the
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: head coach of the Rancho Bernardo Broncos. Look, I think
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: you have like a ninety percent shot of seeing that
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: guy on a Utah football staff in some capacity at
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: some point, I'll say seventy five percent chance, with the
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: twenty five percent coming in that he is still very
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: highly thought of in NFL circles as well, and I
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: think at some point in his career he's young enough
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: that it could be twenty years from now whatever. That
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: guy's probably gonna be an NFL GM yeah, if not
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: career on an NFL coaching staff, right, Yeah, I could
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: see it well, I could see it go a lot
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: of different ways for him. But whenever he wants, there's
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of people who say, all right, you want
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: to come work for us, we'll have The Rams would
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: have him at any time.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: The Ravens would have him at any time.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: If the Chargers are worth anything, they would have him
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: back at any time.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: They've been that fence.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh should at least, you know, make the offer.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and might little might say you know what, no, and.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: It has nothing to do with you and has everything
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: to do with that organization, but you should at least
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: make that offer and listen. Like Jim, he's obviously very
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: close to John Harbaugh. Jim being that go to the
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: Chargers probably helps mend that relationship a little bit.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, that's a guy that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: people respect for reasons. They want him around for obvious reasons,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: and Morgan Scalley knows how valuable he could be to
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: the University of Utah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: And look, Eric Weddle comes from a different claw.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: He's cut from a different cloth when it comes to
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: loyalty and things like that. He feels a responsibility to
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: support the university. I admire the fact that his first
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: reaction when he sees the twenty one year head coach
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: thirty two years at the University of Utah twenty one
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: is a head coach Kyle Whittingham goes to Michigan, and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: Eric's first reaction legitimately is not how is this going
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: to hurt Utah? But now, what can we do to
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: help Utah? That's it's just a different mindset. It's great.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: It does make me wonder because, however, long Wits at Michigan,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: He's got a five year contract. Within those five years,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: Eric might be in a position where he's like, the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: timing is right for me to take one of.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: These coaching jobs.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes me want like Wits probably calling Weddell, hey,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: do you want to you want a job on my staff?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: If that's the case, it makes me wonder, you know,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: if he and Morgan, certainly he said Morgan has been
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: offering him jobs, I wonder you know what that calculus
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: would calculus would be in that hypothetical sense.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: Here's my guess, all right, and it's just a guess.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: He hasn't told me this, but Gage Weddle is going
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: to have his choice of schools to attend. He's already
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: got offers from the biggest schools in the country. Kyle
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Whittingham's gonna offer him, Utah already did offer him. He's
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: gonna have a Michigan offer, He's already got an Ohio
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: State offer. He's gonna have offers to literally everywhere, right,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: And there's probably gonna be a situation if he goes
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: to a place like Michigan, or he goes to a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: place like Utah, or he goes to a place evan forbid.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: I know that people are gonna get sick with me
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: saying this. He goes to a place like BYU, those
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: staffs are gonna say, Dad, do you want to come
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: with I've got a job for you. Absolutely, and it
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: would be really really difficult. Knowing what I know about Eric,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: it would be really really difficult for him to turn
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: down an opportunity to be there for his son's college
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: football career, even if he's like his son's playing quarterback
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: and he's coaching safeties. It's such a rare thing that
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: coaches can be around their family, and the idea that
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: you could be front row, front center while your son
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: is achieving a dream that you helped form would be
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: hard to turn down. And he doesn't have to make
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: decisions based on money. He's gonna make decisions that are
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: best for his family. And if his son says, Dad,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: I'm going to this school and I would also like
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: for you to be there if it's possible, I think
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: that's what he'll do. That's the only thing that could
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: pull him somewhere besides Utah first.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so you're saying it all, it all hinges
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: on Morgan Scaley and Utah get engaged up on the
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: hill maybe.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: Which, by the way, is probably more than a Morgan
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: Scalley question.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because because he could be, like you said, he
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: could end up being the quarterback, not safety for Utah.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, if you have an option to
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: go play for anybody in the country, is Utah in
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: the conversation perennially still for Big Twelve championships, for a
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: national championship for college football playoff because the schools that
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: are offering him are going to be in those conversations,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: So are you putting yourself in that conversation? Unfortunately, the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: way college football is now, that's not just a question
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: for the coach. That's for the boosters, that's for the university,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: that's for the private equity firm. Crazy all right. Sean
• 1:41:51
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  Speaker 3: All right, real quick one here, We're gonna get to
• 1:42:35
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• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: of you Utah Mammoth fans out there, they are in
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: action tonight at the Delta Center against Nashville. The Utah
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: Mammoth continued to be look a little bit inconsistent, but
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: I think trending in a reasonable direction. The playoff still
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: very much a possibility for this squad. You want to
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: get Cooley as soon as possible. Obviously, you lost to
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: the Colorado Avalanche. That is the best team in the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: NHL right now. They've got like a plus sixty four
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: goal differential or something insane. I mean, it's really kind
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: of a scary thing when you look at the stats
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: of the Colorado Avalanche. But I don't know, I don't
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: even know if I want to mention a moral victory.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: You held them to one goal. Colorado scoring four or
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: five six goals. They're scoring four goals a game. It's ridiculous.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: You held them to one goal. Now it's still a loss.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: So this is professional sports. I don't know that we
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: want to talk about moral victories there. But even in
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: a loss, not an altogether terrible performance against the best
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: team in the NHL and a very winnable game against
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Nashville at home on home ice tonight. So check it
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: out if you have an opportunity, if you're looking for
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• 1:44:04
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• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Gordi Chia is going to join us. On the other side.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Our resident NBA Guru.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: Look, he we have to talk about the season that
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: Jokic is having right now. Nikola Jokic is should be
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: crowned today the MVP in the NBA with plenty of
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: basketball left to play. He's doing things that we just
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: don't see people do. His career averages, his season averages
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: are ridiculous. Are like generationally good for multiple different positions.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that much more with Gordy next on
• 1:44:46
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• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: On FM, He's out.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 1:45:13
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• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Stay for his list of the day, My list today,
• 1:45:21
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show. Our number three begins with Gordy Chia's up.
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  Speaker 11: I'm doing fine, Sean, Thank you did.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: The Christmas Day games deliver for you.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 11: Outrageous answers. Absolutely, unequivocally, Yes, it was a first thing.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 11: Let's talk about quickly, Niko, how believe was he on
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 11: Christmas Day? As far as his performance, it was one
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 11: for the ages, and we always talk about him how
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 11: great he is. But this shows you that every day,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 11: he every time he plays, he could get a triple
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 11: double on any single moment. So if the list is
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 11: quickly on Chris's day, fifty six points, fifteen rebounds, fifteen assists,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 11: including an NBA record for eighteen points in overtime, he's
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 11: the first player in the history of NBA basketball ever
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 11: Now the fifty five point game, fifteen rebound game, and
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 11: a fifteen assist game in history. There's nothing like it.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: For those who are not watching a lot of Jo
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: Kisch or Nuggets basketball, he is currently averaging just under
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: thirty points twenty nine point nineties.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: He's fifth in scoring right now in the NBA.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: He's first in rebounds per game, and he's first in
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: assists per game. A big man who is first in
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: assists per game.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 11: Also, by the way, he can't jump. Sean has a
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 11: compliment in a good way. So a lot of times
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 11: people say, well, Sean, I've coached guys that can jump
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 11: unbelievable and get two rebounds, that I've coached guys that
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 11: can't jump get rebounds. And Jokic is the is the
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 11: brilliance of it of everything where he's really a non jumper,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 11: but he's so tenacious but also so much timing that
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 11: he cabs out space. So he's messaged the art form
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 11: of technique. So a lot of times it's not how
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 11: high you jump, it's when you jump and have leverage.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: Is this a guy that Gordy could end up being
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: on like the Mount Rushmore of greatest players in NBA
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: history if he continues this production for I don't know
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: how many more years it would require for you, but
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: he's ridiculous and you know he helps the team compete
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: at the very highest level. He has won a championship.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: I guess you would probably need multiple to be on
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: that Mount Rushmore. But could he get there?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 11: Yes, very much? And Mount Rushmore right now, again you
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 11: get debate. It's just a wonderful debate. Is Wilt, Kareem,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 11: Lebron and Michael those are four. Now Jokic could be
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 11: in that discussion. See what happens is that he looks different,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 11: he looks funny. He's like your next door neighbor. He's
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 11: a kind of guy who wanted to go to the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 11: ball with and have a quick column with him, all right,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 11: And so he looked a part, but really he is
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 11: the part.
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  Speaker 2: For people Kareem.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, jokicch right now on pace to beat
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Kareem scoring average, rebound average, and assist average by a
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: very very long shot as a career player. So, uh,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: just just to put it in context, because a lot
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: of us didn't get to watch prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: and don't really have a good sense of his place
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: from like a you know, modern NBA standpoint. But that's
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: just that's just where you would have to start con
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: considering Jokic, because his numbers tell you that he can
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: outperform people like that very much.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 11: And it Wilt Wilt Chamberlain. He they couldn't guard him anybody,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 11: and so they changed the rules to try to stop them.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 11: And again, his numbers are astronomical. Also, I know it's
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 11: a different era, but he could he could play in
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 11: an era right now, because when you're seven foot one
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 11: seventy five pounds with a waste of thirty four inches
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 11: thirty four inch waist, and you're hot, your unbelievable athlete.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 11: You can play in this era.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: Will anyone ever be more proficient rebounder over the course
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: of a career than will you think?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: Never twenty twenty three rebounds a game. By the way,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: for all of you out there, it's.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 11: Like it's crazy in these numbers. When I look at
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 11: all the time, I can't believe. I forget how these numbers,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 11: how incredible they are. And that's the beauty of a
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 11: different era is shown, where who's out of this guy
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 11: or that guy? The answer is they're all great. And
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 11: Lebron's brilliance and Michael Jordan's brilliance, and you know I
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 11: left out. You know Steph Curry, the world's greatest, true
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 11: to Larry Bird. You know Cicillo, Kevin Durant, Luca Dnches someday.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 11: I mean, all these players are incredible shot makers, winners,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 11: They lead their franchises. And that's why the beauty of sports. Hey,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 11: who's better? Who's better? Tom Bradio, Joe Montana, Who's better?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 11: This guy in the NFL? The roll great?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, The answer to who's better in some of those
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: is just yes, they're they're all better.
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  Speaker 2: They're all amazing.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: All right, Gordy, Uh let's talk about this Utah Jazz
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: team here for just a second. Uh No, no prime
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: time Christmas Day game because you got to elevate yourself
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: prominence wise, but building a little streak here. They got
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: a victory over the Pistons. They got a victory on
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: the road against the Spurs. What have you liked about
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: these last two performances?
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 11: The Jazz heart encourage very much. They played as a unit.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 11: And the game on Friday night where the County George
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 11: refused to lose and they made that game winning with
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 11: two point one seconds. That floater where when he tried
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 11: to dribbing to the basket, is that you knew the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 11: shot was going to go in the angle of it.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 11: And that how what happened before during the game is
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 11: that the Jazz kept on fighting back and they're able
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: to hold off. And that was a tremendous win at
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 11: home against a really a good team. And the next night,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 11: so to get to San Antonio, I'm assuming that I've
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: been that trip many times. Is that probably three o'clock
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 11: in the morning to the Alamo City. They knocked off
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 11: the Spurs who went eight straight in a row, and
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 11: it was I called a signature victory. And that's in
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 11: team building. Larry Markin who was brilliant, and again County
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 11: George was absolutely great, and then underrated was Walter Clayton
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 11: had a Mester place where he shot perfect for the night.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 11: He scored seventeen points in twenty two minutes. He goes
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 11: six to six shooting for the game. Fieldabcent is two
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 11: to two from three and three to three from the
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 11: sud line for total seventeen points. So sewing, yes, please
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 11: give me the hot sauce.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a tired storyline at this point. But
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: this Jazz team, they're too good to be tanking or
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: to be tanking without trying to tank. And we were
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: told they weren't going to try to tank. So what
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: do you do if you're in the front office right now,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: I'm the oh, yes.
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  Speaker 11: The answer is you try to win. I know you again.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 11: I take the viewpoint of the players. The front office.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 11: Austin Ings has said the team is trying to win.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 11: That's what he said publicly, and so far it's a truism.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 11: The team is playing to win because they Larry Markin
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 11: is heading to the Allstar Game, and Kento George in
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 11: his third year, has been true tremendous. So I would
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 11: say keep the course, try to win as many games
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 11: as you can, and let nature take its course whatever
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 11: it happens.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, I know that your schedule was changed a little
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: bit today because of the passing of someone who's pretty
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: important in Utah jazz history. I wanted to give you
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: a little time and space to say whatever you need
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: to say.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 11: No, thank you, joined alluding to Barbara Layden, the wife
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 11: of sixty two years of our beloved Frank Layden, the
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 11: former jazz president, general manager and head coach, passed away
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 11: on Christmas morning, and she was ninety two years young.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 11: Emphasized young. And there's so many jazz fans that Barbara
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 11: and Frank Laydon they were a team, there were partners,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 11: and Frank passed away just for the listeners back in July,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 11: and Barbara passed away I just mentioned a few days ago,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 11: and so all our hearts and prayers are out to
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 11: the Leyden family. The Ferndals Tomorrow Tuesday at the Cathedral
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 11: Downtown at eleven o'clock in the morning, and we're going
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 11: to be there and that we're going to honor Barbara
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 11: Laydon for her goodness for everyone here in Salt Lake
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 11: City and the native of New Yorker Brooklyn night. And ironically,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 11: you know, Frank Layton met Barbara Laydon at a bar
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 11: Shawn and Froule, Rockaway Beach, Queens, and the owner of
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 11: the ball was that Al McGuire's father. Al McGuire was
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 11: the coach of Marquette for many many years when nineteen
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 11: seventy seven NCAA championship for March Madness and Barbara and
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 11: Frank Layton met at al McGuire's father's bar and Froule Rockaway, Queens.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Bordy Jays.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: That is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: talking all things NBA. How close should we be paying
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: attention to what's happening with the Clippers right now?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 11: Yes, the answer is very much. They won fore in
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 11: a row. They moved on from Chris Paul. Now I'm
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 11: not saying Chris Paul is the only reason why the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 11: team was not successful, but they've now hit some stride,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 11: led by Kawhi Leonard, who had a masterpiece of fifty
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 11: five points last night in a win. And they're talented,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 11: so it was never a question of their ability. Their
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 11: defense was lacking. And now with Kawhi Leonard having really
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 11: a great game to catapult them, they won four in
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 11: a row and the Jazz played them moronically on New
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 11: Year's Day, and so the Jazz goes Celtics Slarne at
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 11: the Delta Center. Then they leave and they played New
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 11: Year's Day against the Clippers. So we'll learn more about
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 11: the Clippers. They have talent, they're underperforming, but recently now
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 11: they're getting back in groof.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: This time of the year.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: Who else you zeroing in on as a team that
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: could I guess improve their standing from what the first
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: half of the seasons looked like.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 11: They're Raptors. Yeah, they're Raptors in the East. They're nineteen
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 11: and fourteen. They're overachieving. And again I know they're in Canada,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 11: so no one of the things about yeah, Canada is
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 11: for hockey, right, Yeah, it is. I agree with that. However,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 11: also in basketball, and so the Raptors have done a
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 11: very good job as far as them winning. They're in
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 11: they're in fourth place in the in the East at
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 11: nineteen and fourteen. Their roster is young and now they're
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 11: getting healthy, and I'm looking for them to see if
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 11: they can catch they can catch the celts, the knicks
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 11: and the pistons and move up. So they're a fun
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 11: story out in the west right here underrated also now
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 11: Sewan is the Phoenix Suns. Yes, the Suns. They're right
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 11: now in seventh place, eighteen and thirteen, and they're playing
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 11: with harmony, and that's against I can't explain chemistry, but
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 11: all I know Sean. The teams that don't have it,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 11: you can tell how they don't move the ball and
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 11: how they don't play help to help with defense. Yes,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 11: teams that have it to do that all the time.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 11: They share and care whether to share the ball offensively,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 11: and they care about playing health defense. And that's both teams.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 11: I'm looking at the Raptors in the East. I'm looking
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 11: at the Suns in the West. As far as their improvement.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: Has o Globo City taking the foot off the gas
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: pedal a little bit, at least for this regular season.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 11: Yes, they're slightly lethargic again, slightly where they were so
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 11: dominated until recently, where the Spurs have beaten them three
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 11: and oero right now this season, so it's good. It's
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 11: good for the NBA where the upcoming Spurs took it
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 11: right to the thunder. The thunder did not respond so far,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 11: and so we'll see now the last time they play
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 11: will be the fourth time and at the meeting in
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 11: the playoffs, how it all plays out. It's hard. There's
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 11: so many games in the NBA eighty two game marathon,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 11: and there's just there's often ups and downs. Now the
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 11: better teams have lesser ups and downs and for shorter duration.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 11: The lesser teams have it for a whole bunch of times.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 11: But the sort of thunder right now, they're going to
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 11: respond because they have a tremendous organization and they play
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 11: as a unit. And I'm looking forward to see how
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 11: how it all plays out. Legas also, Legas responded to
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 11: they were called out by the lack of defense and
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 11: now the last game they got after it and Lebron
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 11: played brilliant sort of Luca Dantage, and they.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Responded, Cordie, I know it's unfair to ask anything outside
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: of the NBA, since that's where a lot of your
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: focus is, but you know, you're a longtime coach, and
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham made a big splash when he stepped down
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: from the University of Utah, and arguably an even bigger
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: splash when you know what it was like ten days
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: later he said I'm going to be the head coach
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: at the University of Michigan. The timing on it was crazy. Obviously,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: he's had such a huge impact in the local community here.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: It's weird to see him in Maze and Blue, but
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: I think most of us wish him a lot of success.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: Just if you can try to take me inside the
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: mentality of a coach who's maybe nearing the end of
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: his time as a coach, and certainly he reached the
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: end of his time as a coach at the University
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: of Utah. To then have an opportunity like Michigan come up,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: it feels like it's an offer you can't refuse, even
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: if you've wanted to.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 11: Agree one hundred percent. So at age sixty six, he's
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: very young as far as his personality, and he's one
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 11: of a few coaches that we all know in any sport.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 11: He's adapted with the times. However, he kept his core
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 11: values and that's hard to do. There's certain things that
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 11: Utah football they're known for, if I'm w all correct
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 11: me jumping here, their execution and their line play, both
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 11: both lines, both offense and defense. Those guys always competed
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 11: for the last twenty one years. It's the most amazing thing.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 11: So now he gets the opportunity to go to Michigan
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 11: after announcing his retirement. Again the storyline whether it was
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 11: forced or not or what is other things going on
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 11: quote in the building. Let's fast forwarded. So now we
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 11: go to Michigan, which is absolutely a premiere program. He
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 11: can recruit and he's going to get guys there. Besides
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 11: the lineman, he's going to get some unbelievable receivers, and
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 11: then I know the quarterback is really there right now
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 11: as far as the freshman first year, he's going to
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 11: do great there. And it's really Utah's loss and it's
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 11: a Michigan's game. They hired after the controversy at Michigan
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 11: with their former coach, they hired somebody that's really great
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 11: coach and he understand he gets it, and more importantly,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 11: he's stable and that's a huge factor in college basketball
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 11: and also college football is is your head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Stable, Gordy, what's your list today?
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  Speaker 10: My list?
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 11: Today's speaking of your stable, but also a scoring This
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 11: list is the Utah Jazz List, the most individual thirty
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 11: plus point Korea games in New Orleans Utah Jazz franchise history,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 11: the most ever Korea thirty point games, and it has
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  Speaker 11: two guys on the list that play in the Delta
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 11: Center Tomorrow Night. Number fifteen all time, Kantay George shown
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 11: already He's done it fourteen times thirty points and more
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  Speaker 11: only in his third season, number fourteen. John Drew did
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 11: it fifteen times, number thirteen. Al Jefferson did it eighteen times,
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  Speaker 11: twelfth all time. Boy Young Bron Danovich did it twenty times,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 11: number eleven in the list. Jordan Clarkson did it twenty
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  Speaker 11: one times, tied for ninth. Gordon Hayward and Leonard Truck
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 11: Robinson did it twenty seven times, eighth all time for
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 11: most thirty point games. Darren Williams did it thirty times,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 11: number seven. Carlus Boozer thirty two times, number six all time.
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  Speaker 11: He's playing Tomorrow Night. Thank God the Jazz We'll hope
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 11: will never trade him. Larry markin the filling shopshooter. He's
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 11: done it forty one times already in only four seasons
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 11: in Utah Jazz uniform. Forty one times thirty points or more. Wow,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 11: five all time. That's really amazing, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: I never would have thought one. I never would have
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: thought that he had done it more than like Boozer,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: you know what I.
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  Speaker 11: Mean, Yes, very much. And that's how good he is.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 11: See what happens with Larry marketing. He does it quietly.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 11: He doesn't pound these checks. He just mixed shots all
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 11: the time. And he's really rated number five all time
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 11: Doctor Donkenstein, Dell Griffith did it's sixty times. Number four,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 11: Donvin Mitchell eighty six times, Number three Pete Marriage one
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 11: hundred and seventeen times. This number two all time thirty
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  Speaker 11: points some more, ad Adrian Danley two hundred and fifty times,
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  Speaker 11: and the number one player in JEFS history to score
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 11: thirty points some more, the mailman cal Malone. He did
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 11: it four hundred and thirty five times, Thus showing that's
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 11: my list of today of the greatest thirty point score
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 11: thirty game scores in JEFS history.
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  Speaker 2: Not how I thought it would look, at least down
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: there in the middle.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you for that, Cordy, oh very much, No thanks,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 11: and add to so chante George, that guy's got game
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 11: and Larry markin when he shoots the ball you think
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 11: what it's always going in.
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  Speaker 3: Read incredible stuff. Gordy, you're the man. Let's talk again soon.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks peace out.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: Sean Dychie are resident NBA guru and insider, James. Would
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: you have thought that Lowry Mark and had already had
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: more thirty point games than Carlos Boozer.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: You're more of a basketball guy than I.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that, although it doesn't surprise
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 6: me a whole lot, because Lowry seems to have, I
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 6: mean not seems to have.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: We've been we've just been informed that he's been.
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  Speaker 6: He's been doing it at a lot higher rate than
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 6: Boozer did. Although Boozer was awesome for a little bit
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 6: longer period of time. Now I guess, I guess we're
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 6: coming up on what almost the same same tenure, but
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 6: he's done it a lot quicker. Lowry has been more
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 6: healthy than Boozer was. I think even with the load
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 6: management and the the nagging injuries that he's he's had
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 6: over the last couple of seasons. So yeah, I think
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 6: definitely Lowry did it. It seemed to have done it
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 6: at a higher scored thirty more points in a game
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 6: at a higher rate than Boozer. I would have guessed
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 6: that before this list, before Gordy gave us this list,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 6: but I would not have guessed that he already surpassed
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  Speaker 6: the total, which I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Both things are obviously true. So shout out to Lowry,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: and shout out to Gordy. It's always great to hear
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: from him. We got the Daily Dump coming next, by
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• 2:05:24
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• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: The Lab. What is j Lab?
• 2:05:29
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• 2:05:29
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• 2:05:31
  Speaker 6: I think the only reason I've heard of it is
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  Speaker 3: haven't even touched on the pop Tarts Bowl yet, which
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  Speaker 3: was an incredible back and forth game, a really really
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  Speaker 3: cool moment for BYU to achieve twelve wins in a
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  Speaker 3: season without their best player, the Pack twelve not packed,
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  Speaker 3: the Big twelve Offensive Player of the Year l J.
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  Speaker 2: Martin was out of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Jack Kelly was out of the game, and by you
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  Speaker 3: still found a way to win, a testament to how
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  Speaker 3: great that coaching staff is, uh, especially to do it
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  Speaker 3: and come from behind fashion. I know that Utah fans
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: don't like me pointing things like this out. I told
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: you that Carson Ryan was a really good player. Carson
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: Ryan was massively important for BYU this year. He was
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  Speaker 3: awesome in that game.
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  Speaker 2: He was the MVP of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look are we sure he should have been?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 6: After after we saw Kilani down the pop tarts in
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 6: two different ways MVP.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why people are surprised that Kalani Satake
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: can smash a pop tart in one mouthful, like come on,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: and and and like the equivalent of a whole pop
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: tart that he had to he had to dig out
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: with his hands.
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  Speaker 2: You can't pop tarts, bull.
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  Speaker 3: My only a grievance with you pop tarts bull is
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: you can't give a utensil or some cup some kind
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  Speaker 3: or make it easier to like break off the way
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: a smaller pop tart is.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: Uh, the the whole unhinged marketing thing is just absolutely fantastic.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: They have the six different pop Tart mascots. They're grilling
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: pop tarts, they're toasting pop tarts all game long. They
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: keep looking at the pop tarts and see what what
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: they're doing, and it's just completely nuts and so much fun.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 6: One's running away, That one's jumping off of the platform
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 6: and running away.
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  Speaker 3: The one that got selected to one of three that
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: got selected to be sacrificed to the giant toaster.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: At the end escaped, No, I'm not doing this. It's
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: jumped off the top of it and ran away. It's
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  Speaker 2: just completely bananas.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, when we're talking about a bowl
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: game outside of the college football playoff structure, outside of
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: the you know, deep seated tradition, that's exactly what they
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: should do. The Pop Tarts Bowl is the only game
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  Speaker 3: that's doing it right. The Vegas Bowl at least accomplishing
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: some of that by letting the teams have fun and
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: not making it all serious and pretending that the game
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: is something that it's not.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what you gotta do.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: So congratulations to BYU for an incredible season. It is
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: really interesting to be following the BYU side of this,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham deparcher, because there's a lot of concern, very
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: legitimate concern, that Jay Hill is also gonna be a
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: Michigan coach next year, and obviously that could be difficult.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: Kaloni Satake was asked about a postgame he said, I'm
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna let Jay Hill make his own decisions
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: and announcements, which I mean, if he thought Jay was
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: gonna stay, I think he'd say Jay's stand. However, another
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: interesting one for me that people are paying really close
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: attention to down there in Provo. Gernaro Guildford is apparently
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: really really like tucked into the pocket of Jay Hill
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: now in a good way where he's he's attached himself
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: and Jay loves him, and he loves Jay, and Gennaro
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: Guildford has been massively important for BYU in the recruiting situations,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: especially getting guys that are like the non lds, you know,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: people of color, whatever like. You got to have somebody
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: on staff that those guys feel they can relate to.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: And Gennaro Guildford been massively important in that regard for BYU,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: and he is apparently also in conversations to potentially be
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: out at BYU. That makes sense, though it could be difficult,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: it could be damaging to replace these guys. And I
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: made the point earlier in the show. Look Jason back
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: if he goes to Michigan, and I think he's going
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: to big loss. Jim Harding, same thing, big loss. I
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: think Jay Hill leaving BYU is a bigger loss than
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: any of the Utah losses here you did see.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're probably right about that. I think that there's
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 6: an argument for beck to leaving leaving Utah, but I'll
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 6: say he is more established then than Jason Beck is,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 6: And I mean I as great as Utah's offense was
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 6: top five in yardage again after he wasn't after he
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 6: was that in New Mexico, Jay Hill's impact seems to
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 6: have been even greater at by.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: It's at least equally great, and because he's been there
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: a little bit longer, not a whole lot longer.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually I don't respond.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: To a lot of the the BYU fan base because
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: you just get yourself into like a Twitter fight. But
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: somebody was kind of year totally against a Twitter fight.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: Somebody was trying to make a case. They're like, well,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: why would Jay Hill leave? Remember what built you? And
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: it's like I felt it necessary to do the Oh. Well, actually,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: because Jay Hill was not built at BYU.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: J Hill was already a finished product.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: I guess he's not a finished product yet close to
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: a finished product, a well established product.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: When he decided to leave Weber State to go to BYU.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: He was already He had cut his teeth for years
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: at the University of Utah. He played at the University
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: of Utah. So BYU didn't build Jay Hill. There's this
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: weird feeling down there in prov at least for some
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: of that fan base, that like what we made, you
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: don't leave, don't be ungrateful.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 6: It's like, come on, he he made the way he's defense.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 6: There's an argument for that.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: Ja Jail and all the guys that are connected, and look,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: Kilani is the one who gets the ultimate credit for it.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: Because Kilani realized that in this kind of like two
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: points it's like it's like coaching staff two point five
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: for him, He's looking at it and going, you know
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: what I should do to make my defense better? I
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: should just make it a Utah defense. And he brought
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: in a bunch of Utah.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 6: Coaches and and credit to him too. Even more so,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 6: you got to underscore that point by saying, this is
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: a guy who coordinated a Utah defense like Kilane to
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 6: set aside his pride, Jame was actually never a cordat
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 6: talking about oh yeah, yeah, Kilanie is a guy who
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 6: was the UT's defensive coordinator.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, the the air apparent to.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 6: Kyle in a lot of ways after Kyle became the
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 6: head coach, and he set aside his pride and said,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 6: you know what, I need someone I need I need
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 6: someone I can't do it alone. I need someone who
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 6: is equally, if not better than me at the on
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 6: that side of the ball.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: I'm bringing in Jay Hill.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's a huge thing that Kilani did,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 6: and it's obviously paid tons of dividends at BUYU to
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 6: the point where I totally agree with you. It would
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 6: be a massive loss if the rumors end up being
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 6: true and he ends up following Kyle to uh Michigan.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: The question I asked about, should you tah try to
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: pick that financial fight with Michigan in order to keep
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: like a Jim Harding if you feel desperate to do so,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: or to try to like offer Jason Beck.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it would take two million dollars.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: So if two million dollars comes off the books because
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: of Kyle Whittingham's salary, and do you want to offer
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: that to Jason Beck? You'd be giving him like whatever
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: that is, like a one million dollar raise to get
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: him to stay. You probably have to pay a premium
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: to so maybe you have to give him a one
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: point five million dollar raise. You gotta pay him like
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: two point five million dollars. If the money is there
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: and you can do it, should you do it again?
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: People are gonna get mad at me if you're BYU
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: and you really want to keep j Hill that bad
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: and what you're up against is the money of Michigan
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: and the prestige of Michigan. You can wash out the
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: money part you can and look, I know that Kilani
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: already went to bat for his assistant coaches, already did
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: this thing with the Penn State overtures for his duties.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: You can say, well, we're gonna lose this guy if
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: we don't pay him more. If Jay comes to Coloni
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: and says, I'd really rather stay here, but I can't
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: turn down I saw on the Michigan message board or whatever,
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be like two point eight million dollars or
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: something crazy.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 6: And I mean he might even get the It'll be
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 6: unofficial at the very least, I would think, but he
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 6: may even get the the coach and waiting tag with
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 6: going to Michigan.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: It would be unofficial, and it would require his defense
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: being incredible because because Michigan, rather than do something like that,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: especially by the way, with how it worked out for
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: Utah right right, they might just be like, they're not
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: gonna make it public at the very leak. Look, there's
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of reasons why you would say, yeah, I'm
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: going to Michigan. It's Michigan. I gotta go to Michigan.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: If money is the thing, though, if he if Jay
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: Hill's just like, hey, quality of life is better here
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: and you don't make me work on Sundays, and that's
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: really really great for my family and all that kind
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: of stuff. But I'm gonna make like an extra one
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: million dollars a year at Michigan. Again, BYU could wash
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: that out. They could, they could match it, they could
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: do it relatively easily.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: And James, I wish, I wish.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: I want to start live streaming some of the conversations
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: I have because remember a couple of weeks ago when
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: I was talking about, hey, you can't lose Colone satake
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: because of money, because BYU gets more money or has
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: access to more money than anyone. I was at a
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: family already over the Christmas break with a guy who,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: let's just say he spends a lot of time at
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: headquarters downtown, all right, He just recently got released from
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: a very high level official position in the LDS church
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: knows he knows the Brethren and exactly, and he's wanted
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: a Brethren. I was talking to him, and I was like, man,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: I was making a joke. I was like, I had
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: some people coming at me saying I was anti Mormon
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: because of my thoughts on BYU retaining Kalanie satake, and
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: he was confused, like, what do you mean. So I
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: kind of explained to him, people don't like the suggestion
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: that BYU can afford things to other or that the
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: brethren pay attention to BYU football, and he was.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, they pay attention.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: I was in the offices talking with high level guys
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: and they were all like, we need to step in
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: and make sure Kilani stays.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: And again that's not a bad thing.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: But I was like, I wish I could record this
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: conversation to play it for all the people that thought
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: I was making some attack when I clearly wasn't.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: Well, let me anyway, let me tell you this too.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 6: If we can, we can end this part of the
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 6: this tangent if you want after this.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: But I mentioned this to you. I didn't even think about.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know how long ago it was, but but
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 6: Kilane spoke in general conference.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: I think he's the only other BYU coach to do that.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: You know who the other one is?
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well his name's on the stadium again, so that
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 6: that should alone. And I don't know why I didn't
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 6: think of that when we were in this the drama
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 6: with Penn State in the middle of all that like
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 6: that alone should tell you they really want Kilane to
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 6: be the head coach of BYU no matter what.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: It's not an insult, it's not anything to say.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: But if you wanted to compete with Jay Hill, if
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: Utah has to answer this question, BYU does two as
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: these and I think it's already done.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: But let's say it's not.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: Let's say the ink is not dry, right, and you
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: really want a guy like that to stay, you don't
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: have to lose him. And I think that's even true
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: for Utah with like Lewis Powell. I think he's massively,
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: massively important for their recruiting pipeline. Now, could Luther Ellis
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: make up for some of the loss of Lewis Powell, certainly,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: but it's so much better to have them working in tandem.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: It's so much better to have him as a dynamic duo.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: And it's worth I think, spending some of this money
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: that hopefully you've got coming into athletics soon.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: And if the coaching.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: Staff and decisions there are really made by the athletic
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: department and not by private equity, then the athletic department
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: should say we can't lose that guy. And it's worth
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: some of this money to keep him. I don't know
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: if you can beat Michigan's offer ultimately, because Michigan might
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: just be able to up it up it continuously in
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: a way that Utah can't. But I think it's worth
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: fighting that out. It might be for BYU two, maybe
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: not with Jay. Maybe like Colonie's like, Okay, he's gonna
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: move on at some point. Anyway, let's let him move
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: on now. But maybe Guildford is that important. Maybe he's
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: their version of POW. I think you got to make
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: those decisions, and hopefully you have the pocketbook that can
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: support those decisions.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to keep guys with Utah.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: That's what the private equity deal, in my opinion, should
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: do for you at some point. Maybe not this year
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: because of budgets and when the money comes in and
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah, but it should be able to do
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: that for you at some point if you're trying to
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: close the gap. And for BYU, a phone call to
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: the right booster so you don't have to lose j Hill,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: who by the way, is your.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: Heir apparent to the head coaching position. Maybe you don't
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: need to lose him I think you.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 6: Already have though, time to get off the sidelines. Is
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 6: that what you're saying? Oh see, yeah, where's the Crumble guy?
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 11: Now?
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: Where's Cookie Man? Anyway?
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: Hey, I already spent my budget on you guys.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: I already got off the side.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: I need I need like one hundred more people to
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: buy Crumble franchises and then I can help you out
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 3: with this.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, By the way, is it you on
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 6: the on the Drive, the special edition of The Drive
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 6: on Friday that we that we had.
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  Speaker 2: Was it you that mentioned it?
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  Speaker 3: Didn't Luther Ellis play football in Michigan at some point?
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 6: His his loss if he were to leave fall Kyle
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 6: to to Michigan or not, which that is not in
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 6: the rumor mill, but presumably could be at some point.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 6: Not probably as massive as as losing Lewis Powell, but
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 6: that's still someone you want to retain.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: But absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: The only the reason why it kind of like evens
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: out a little bit if you lost Luther and not Lewis,
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: or maybe lose them both, which would be terrible. But
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: with Luthor you're also potentially losing his son. Yeah, he's
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: got one more who's a good player in the ranks. Right,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: He's a freshman who got some time in the in
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: the clean up duty. And one of those games was
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: it the Cincinnati game. He finished the game as the
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: leading tackler. He played for like a quarter and a half.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: So another talented kid rolling through. And if his dad
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: leaves and he goes to Michigan, which I guess he
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily have to do, but I think the point
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 3: stands you if you that's my that's my biggest question
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: for Morgan and for the athletic department as they prepare
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: for this Bowl game and they're doing all these negotiations.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: Are they trying to build a fence around anybody or
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: they just saying, you know what, let's let's worry about replacement.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 6: You gotta love going back to your interview with your
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 6: interview with Eric Weddle earlier in the show. You gotta
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 6: love Weddle's mindset. It's like, get fine, just go, yeah,
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 6: we'll find other people. You're fine. If you don't want
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 6: to be here, then don't be here. You gotta love well.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: He makes a really good point, and the San Francisco
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: forty nine ers are a good example of this this year.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: That buy in is just as important as anything else.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 3: Talent obviously matters, but like if you have a bunch
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: of talented dudes that are just kind of half hearted
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: about the effort, it's not to help you a ton.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: It's why b YU so good this year.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: They've got really talented guys who all believe in what
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: they're doing. It's why Texas Texts coaching staff deserves.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: So much credit this year.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: They went and found the most talented guys they could,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: these mercenaries, and they somehow got them to pull on
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: the same rope. That's harder to do than people give
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: it credit for.
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  Speaker 6: And that's a big reason why Utah had the resurgence
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 6: that they had this year too.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, absolutely.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: All right, that'll be it for the daily dump truck
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  Speaker 3: All right, Sean O'Connell show wrapping up here on a Monday,
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  Speaker 12: I think I left a string cheese in my bag
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  Speaker 12: from last week. I just open it up to grab
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 12: bottled water. It smells horrible. Oh man, what a bummer. Hello, Sean,
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  Speaker 12: how are you?
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm great?
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  Speaker 12: Oh so much better now. Now the good news is
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 12: actually got a new backpack for Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you did so.
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  Speaker 13: I'm throwing that one out.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 12: I should have thrown it out before, but I haven't
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 12: opened it since you and I were on air last week. Okay,
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  Speaker 12: And I just opened it up my water and it
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 12: smells like a mixture of old cheese. Yeah, like old
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 12: cheese and like ToeJam. It's disgusting. Okay, So why did
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 12: you put toadjam in there? Well, it's only cheese. I
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 12: could see that there's mold on the cheese. Anyway, My
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 12: backpack is done. It's old anyway, it needs to be done.
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  Speaker 13: But light news cycle, Han not a lot going on.
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  Speaker 3: Not a lot going on, No, look, I mean a
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: lot of what we talked about on Friday. Shout out
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: to you for our emergency broadcast. That was fun to
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: do a show to you as well. Together it was
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: like a two hour cross talk.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 13: It was fun.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: And to Martin who helped us out in the in
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: the producer's booth, it was It was great to be
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: able to like, you know, react to the news that
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 3: as it's happening, and so far no real surprises have
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: come out of the whole thing post announcement, Like I
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: was surprised that it went down exactly how it did.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 3: But then you know, it sounds like he's targeting the
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: coaches we thought he was going to target, and no
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: official announcements have been made. But where there's smoke, there's fire,
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: and it seems like both staffs are going to be
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 3: impacted pretty heavily.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and you know when he said them, you know,
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 12: I've he said what I've identified like seven or eight
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 12: assistant coaches, and you went, oh my gosh. So I
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 12: started going down the list, like on both sides to
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 12: try to understand exactly who he was talking about. I
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 12: wouldn't be stunned, like, look, we just have to bottom
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 12: line this. Whoever he wants, he's probably going to get. Okay, Yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: And we talked about that a little bit. I asked Scott,
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: I asked Eric Weddle. If there's somebody that he wants
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: but you also really want at the University of Utah,
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: do you even fight that battle?
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: Can you fight that battle? Is there a way that
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: you can win it?
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: Because Michigan probably is going to be able to crack
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: off a slightly larger check and they've got they're the
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: winningest program in college football history, for hell's sake, right,
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: But you know, I made the point with Jim Harding.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: Jim Harding showed up here and was he had two
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: little toddler boys. They're teenagers now. You don't have to
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: move them if the offer from Utah is good enough.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: You've achieved a lot as an offensive line coach at
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. You have the top rated tackle
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: in the upcoming draft, Outland Trophy winner, that's a Utah kid.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: It's not like you need to look over the fence
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: and see green or grass. I mean, he's got a
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: really good thing going on here at Utah, but also
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 3: at Michigan. It's prestigious. His wife is from Michigan. Can
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: you win that bat for Utah? Should you even fight it?
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 12: Well, you should fight it, right, but here, I mean
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 12: there's this is such an interesting conversation and I love
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 12: the way you phrased it there, because the quality of life,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 12: in my opinion, is something that should supersede most any
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 12: financial gain in your life outside of like generational wealth.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 12: Like if you're going to quadruple your salary, go suck
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 12: it up and live someplace you don't love for a
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 12: few years. And that way your grandkids never have to
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 12: worry about anything, and your legacy is you left a
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 12: great thing behind for them. But like, look, I know
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 12: so many miserable rich people. I know so many just
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 12: like miserable rich people. It's not worth it, Like it
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 12: really isn't. So when it comes to quality of life,
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 12: that's up to the individual. And we have this really
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 12: interesting thing about our market, and I have like a
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 12: tiered perspective on this, and I'm not exactly sure where
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 12: to land. We have so many people that love it
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 12: here that never want to leave or leave and have
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 12: it experience and are just pining to come back.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 12: So, you know, when it comes to people that absolutely
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 12: love Utah, we have a lot of coaches that have
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 12: been tenured for decades, Lavelle, Jerry Sloan, Kyle. It looks
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 12: like Kilanie is going to be around for as long
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 12: as you know he wants to coach Brigham Young. How
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 12: much of that is because they love living in Utah?
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 12: How much of that is you know?
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: There?
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 12: See, we also have like this little protective, protective bubble,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 12: right Like Kyle's about to find out what it's like
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 12: being a national name. Kyle Whittingham in forty eight hours
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 12: has more national recognition now than he had in twenty
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 12: one years as utah s head coach. Absolutely right, it's
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 12: a much different thing. I'm hearing from people that I
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 12: grew up with because they knew I went to Utah, Like,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 12: what's the deal with wit?
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 13: Tell me about this coach? They had no idea who
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 13: he was.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 12: And it's not that he didn't accomplish great things here,
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 12: it's that a lot of people don't necessarily know about you.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 12: I know it sounds weird, but we are a flyover market.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 12: I told you the story. You know, I had a
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 12: radio consultant once upon time, you know, for a couple
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 12: of years I was podcasting only I was looking at
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 12: other markets. And I asked him myself, look, I've been
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 12: doing this in Utah for like fifteen sixteen years at
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 12: a pretty high level.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 13: I'm surprised that I, you know, haven't heard from anybody.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 12: And he's like, look, you have to understand, it's not
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 12: that people don't like Utah. It's not that people wouldn't
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 12: respect that you've worked.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: There for as long as you have.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 13: It's that people don't think about it correct, Like they
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 13: don't even think about it.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 12: And it's a weird thing because the quality of life
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 12: here is awesome, right, But when it comes to what
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 12: Kyle's about to experience, it's a lot different than anything
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 12: he's experienced here. And if you're Jim Harding, if you're
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 12: you know, Jason Beck, if you're Sharif Shaw, any of
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 12: the coaches that have been linked to we, are you
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 12: ready for that type of challenge? And would you trade
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 12: what appears to be tremendous job security and quality of
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 12: life here for the risk of doing what you have
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 12: to do in ann Arboro. And I don't know the answer. Yeah,
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 12: I still can't decide where I fall on it. Fight
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 12: those battles or just focus on who you replace because
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 12: that you lost the battle already and that goes down
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 12: to the roster if and when I shouldn't say if,
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 12: when at least a handful of these guys say I'm
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 12: in the transfer portal with gave a quote during his
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 12: media availability. He was asked, are you gonna bring anyone
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 12: from Utah BYU? He said, well, if they get in
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 12: the portal, we'll talk about it, right right, Okay, thank
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 12: you coach for the coach peak, like you know who
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 12: you want your agent talk to their agents already. Probably,
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 12: So do you try to retain if it's Bird Fickland
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 12: as an example, do you try to keep bird Ficklan here?
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 12: Do you try to keep John Henry Daily here, knowing
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 12: that you'd have to pay him through his injury rehab
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 12: and then pay him again after he comes back the
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 12: next season after that? Or do you just say we
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 12: can't fight the Michigan fight, but we can maximize what
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 12: we've got here as we've always done. That's what you
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 12: Tough football has been for decades. The other and yes,
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 12: and I will underscore that you at least have to try.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 12: You can't just wave the white flag. And if these
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 12: guys are important to you, you have to put your
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 12: best foot forward to try to retain them. But I
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 12: do think the other interesting dynamic here. And I went
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 12: back and I listened to, like, I listened to a
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 12: couple of interviews that you have done with WIT. I
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 12: listened to WIT on my show. Then I listened to
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 12: just there's Kyle Whittingham sound all over YouTube, and he
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 12: oftentimes references the Big Ten, and he oftentimes references the evergreen,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 12: ever changing nature of college football. There has to be
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 12: a part of this, and part of me is surprised
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 12: that Klanne didn't jump at Penn State the way WIT now.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 12: It's it's a it's not the best parallel in the
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 12: world because Kyle obviously I had stepped down. But to
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 12: be able to gain access into that room is a
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 12: different thing altogether.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 13: When it comes when it.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 12: Comes to just being able to say I'm on a
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 12: coaching staff of a team that's in the Big Ten,
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 12: it is a different thing than being a Big twelve coach.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: It just is.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 12: And whenever this next landscape, you know, seismic changing shift occurs,
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 12: there is a good chance that if you're not in
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 12: the SEC or the Big Ten, you're in d of
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 12: having a different college football experience. I don't know what
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 12: that looks like, but if I'm Kilawnie I looked at
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 12: the Penn State job for no other reason, then it
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 12: would get me in the Big Ten and get me
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 12: out of Big twelve. And I think that's one of
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 12: the things these coaches really do have to consider.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 3: When the final college football Playoff ranking came down, the
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: thing that I said in the first segment the next
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: day was one thing is clear.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: You got to get out of the Big twelve. Yep.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: Whether you're Texas.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: Tech, BYU, Utah, Arizona State, Colorado, anyone who thinks they
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: belong with the Ohio States and Michigans and Miami's and
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 3: Alabama's of the world, you can't be in the Big twelve.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: That the Big twelve, the bulk of teams in the
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: Big twelve when this reorganization does happen, are going to
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: be on the wrong side of the fence. And I
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: think that the private equity money coming in when it's
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: coming in, hopefully should nudge Utah closer to the.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: Right side of the fence.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: But now you've got Now that's the pressure Forcal and
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 3: for Mark Harlan and anyone else who's involved in these processes.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: If it happens in three years, great, If it happens
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 3: in ten years, you better be where Kyle Whittingham puts
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: you for two decades.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 13: Correct. And you notice what Witz said.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 12: One of the things Wit said on Sunday is that
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 12: you know, the GOL at Michigan is conference championships. You
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 12: want to win the Big Ten. The gol at Michigan
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 12: is national championships. That's their standard. But then he said,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 12: if we win ten games, we'll make it into the
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 12: College Football Playoff. Well, Utah just won ten games, and
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 12: if we're honest, they really weren't close they I mean,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 12: they're closer. There are a lot of teams in college football,
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 12: but when it came down to it, like the final
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 12: couple weeks of the season, the riding was on the wall.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 12: Ten wins in the Big twelve gets you a nice
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 12: season and a decent bowl game. Ten wins in the
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 12: Big ten gets you access to the College Football Playoff.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: SVINCE Eleven wins of the Big Twelve gets you pop tarts.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 12: Right exactly, and we all love pop tarts, but you'd
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 12: rather be playing for the trophy.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: So yeah, uh look, you'll have a lot to un
• 2:35:00
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