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Hormuz Reopens, 60-Day clock begins · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Be could have been a raining, raining, raining, raining, raining.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't trundle today and this been inside listening, listening,
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  Speaker 1: listening to a very important podcast, I think by Aaron
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  Speaker 1: McClain interviewing Mark Dubwitz, School of War. Aaron McClain is
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  Speaker 1: a very serious guy, a major in the Marine Corps,
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  Speaker 1: CBS National News correspondent, and he's hosted The School of
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  Speaker 1: War for quite some time. Very smart, very very sophisticated
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  Speaker 1: thinker on national security. Mark Tibootz is the leader of
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  Speaker 1: the Foundation for the Defensive Democracies Now and I think
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  Speaker 1: Mark knows the Iran file better than anyone in America,
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  Speaker 1: and so I do listen to them. They're both very
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  Speaker 1: alarmed by the MoU and they went through it point
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  Speaker 1: by point today and I listened, and I took notes,
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  Speaker 1: and I kept thinking, well, you can put the worst
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  Speaker 1: possible interpretation on everything if you want to, and that's dumerism,
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  Speaker 1: or you can go through and put the best possible
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  Speaker 1: interpretation on everything that's rose colored glasses. My interpretation, I
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  Speaker 1: think is the correct one, and I think you'll hear
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  Speaker 1: the Vice president. I'm going to play a lot of
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  Speaker 1: what the Vice president. The MoU does two things. It
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  Speaker 1: allows Iran to sell oil for sixty days, and it
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  Speaker 1: opens the straight of horror moves for sixty days. And
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  Speaker 1: everything else is a long way of saying punt. Everything
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  Speaker 1: else is punted. And if the negotiation team bring back
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  Speaker 1: a surrender document, the blowback against the President and the
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  Speaker 1: Vice President everyone involved will be immense. I also happen
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  Speaker 1: to think Secretary Rubio would resign. I have put out
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  Speaker 1: over on my ex account the meme of him in
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  Speaker 1: the coal miner suit with a canary in his lap,
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  Speaker 1: because he is the canary in the coal mine. And
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  Speaker 1: if Secretary Rubio walks out of the administration after the
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  Speaker 1: MU becomes final, that will tell me all I need
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  Speaker 1: to know, because he actually knows the Iran file as
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  Speaker 1: well as anyone not named Tom Cotton or Mike Pompeo
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  Speaker 1: or John Radcliffe or anyone who's had access to the
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  Speaker 1: secret intel. They the people that do know what the
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  Speaker 1: regime is like. People like Secretary Pompeo don't have their
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  Speaker 1: classification now, so they have no idea who's replaced the
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  Speaker 1: wiped out Iranian regime. But I just keep living. I
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  Speaker 1: listened to Commentary magazine today and yesterday. They're still very
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  Speaker 1: upset with the mu I'm not. I'll talk with Seth
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  Speaker 1: Mandel next hour about that, one of the commentary podcasters.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not because it's a giant punt. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If you're familiar with the Jim Trussell area of Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State football, Dougla Maris or the Iron he could exp
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  Speaker 1: flind to you that Jim Trussell believed in punting and
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  Speaker 1: field position and so a punt and people would be
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  Speaker 1: upset he didn't go for it, or he punted in
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  Speaker 1: a time where they were very close to getting a
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  Speaker 1: field goal. He just punted. And this deal, MoU is
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  Speaker 1: a punt, and everything depends on what do the Iranians
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  Speaker 1: agree to when it comes to the destruction of their
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  Speaker 1: enriched uranium supplies and the nuclear file, so that would
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  Speaker 1: include in my view, missiles and ballistic defense and drone
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  Speaker 1: defense and everything else. We also have no idea of
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  Speaker 1: the extent of the damage we the civilians. I think
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  Speaker 1: people inside of the administration do the battle damage assessment
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  Speaker 1: that's been done to the Iranian economy and exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it is that the Iranian economy has lost the ability
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  Speaker 1: to do. It was a failing regime, a failed state
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  Speaker 1: almost before the war on February twenty eighth began. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's cripple, now it's crushed. Now its leadership has gone.
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  Speaker 1: So they got the third and the fourth string in
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to get a billion dollars a day
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  Speaker 1: in oil in all likelihood billion dollars a day. And
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  Speaker 1: that's it. And you can't rebuild a trillion dollars in damage.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's only a half tralling, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a trillion dollars in damage. You can't put the missile
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  Speaker 1: production facilities back in order. And I would just say this,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll go to the Vice President's remarks in the
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  Speaker 1: press room today, is that we began Trump two with
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  Speaker 1: Iran on the edge of breakout. After Biden all right,
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  Speaker 1: he had removed all the sanctions, and it was they
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  Speaker 1: were close to breakout. Operation Midnight Hammer crushed the photo
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  Speaker 1: or facility, and rising line from Israel crush the other ones,
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  Speaker 1: and they lost the ability to break out. Now we've
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  Speaker 1: come back beginning on February twenty eight and destroyed the
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  Speaker 1: entire chain of production, bounced the rubble at the three sites,
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  Speaker 1: and destroyed their missile and drone productions, much of their
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  Speaker 1: industrial defence base. They are a shattered remnant of what
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  Speaker 1: they were fifteen months ago, and I applied President Trump
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  Speaker 1: for that. I do not want them to end prematurely.
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  Speaker 1: I do expect seriousness at the negotiation table, and if
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  Speaker 1: it's a bad deal at the end, I'll be the
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  Speaker 1: first to say it. It's just not time to say
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  Speaker 1: it because we cannot possibly know. So, the Vice President
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  Speaker 1: took to the stage today, cut number one from the
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  Speaker 1: White House Pressureroup.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I think the President's peace plan in
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  Speaker 2: Iran as already bearing real fruits for the American people.
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  Speaker 2: Last night, twelve point five million barrels of oil went
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  Speaker 2: through the Strait of War moods. That is a high
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  Speaker 2: since the beginning of the conflict. Oil prices are down
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  Speaker 2: nearly at their level from the pre war conflict. Gas
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  Speaker 2: prices drop below four dollars a gallon today for the
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  Speaker 2: first time since the conflict, and importantly they're going to
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  Speaker 2: keep falling further given how low.
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  Speaker 3: Price low oil prices are.
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  Speaker 2: On the military side, the Iranians, for the second night
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  Speaker 2: in a row, did not shoot at any ships in
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  Speaker 2: the straight of war moods they are.
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  Speaker 3: They're into the commitment and on.
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  Speaker 2: The blockade, Syncom has allowed north of a dozen ships
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  Speaker 2: to go through our naval blockade, and so we're also
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  Speaker 2: honoring our end of the early part of the agreement.
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  Speaker 2: On the military side, a couple of things that are
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  Speaker 2: still true and will be true whether the Iranians comply
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  Speaker 2: with the rest of the deal or not. Number One,
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  Speaker 2: their nuclear program has been completely destroyed. Their capacity for enrichment,
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  Speaker 2: the facilities at which they were using to develop enrichment
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  Speaker 2: and develop a potential nuclear weapon, those facilities are still destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: Their conventional military is still destroyed. Their capacity to threaten
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  Speaker 2: their neighbors is still largely gone. And now we see
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  Speaker 2: whether they are willing to comply with the next step
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  Speaker 2: of the President's peace plan.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cut number two.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've seen skeptics of the deal.
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  Speaker 2: People say the Iranians will never change their behavior. Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's true, and if so, they don't get any
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  Speaker 2: of the benefits of the bargain. But isn't it worth trying.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it worth seeing whether this incredibly weakened position that
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  Speaker 2: the President of the United States has put the Iranians under,
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  Speaker 2: whether that motivates them to change their behavior, not just
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  Speaker 2: VSAV the West, but VSAV the Middle East. One of
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  Speaker 2: the interesting things about this is, you know, the technical details.
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  Speaker 3: Of this, we can of course get into.
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  Speaker 2: There are going to be any number of opinions about
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  Speaker 2: the negotiation about where it's ultimately going to go. But
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  Speaker 2: I tend to think that you should trust the people
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  Speaker 2: who know the Iranians the best and who have the
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  Speaker 2: most to lose. What are the Gulf Arab States saying
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  Speaker 2: about this deal? What are they saying about this deal
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  Speaker 2: compared to the JCPOA in twenty fifteen, this is the
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  Speaker 2: Obama nuclear deal.
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  Speaker 3: Well, back then they hated that deal.
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  Speaker 2: They felt like it empowered the Iranians to be bad
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  Speaker 2: actors across the region. And of course that's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 2: They were right about that. What are they saying about
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  Speaker 2: the President's peace deal? They're saying, this is an amazingly
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  Speaker 2: transformative thing for the region because.
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  Speaker 3: Either way we and the broader region win.
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  Speaker 2: Iran is weakened, their nuclear program, destroyed their economy in
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  Speaker 2: desperate straits, and if they change their behavior, big things
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  Speaker 2: are going to happen for a random for the world
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  Speaker 2: if they don't.
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  Speaker 3: No skin off our backs. Either way we win.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the way the President has set up this
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  Speaker 2: deal and his negotiation.
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  Speaker 1: It keep going. Please cut number three.
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  Speaker 2: The part of the peace plan, the part of this
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  Speaker 2: MoU that I think had been most misrepresented by certain
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  Speaker 2: parts of the media, is the idea that the Iranians
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  Speaker 2: get all these benefits. You will hear things about three
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  Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars or twenty four billion dollars, or this or.
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  Speaker 3: That number of money or amount of money.
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  Speaker 2: And the simple fact is that the only way the
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  Speaker 2: Iranians get any of those resources, not a single penny,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, from the United States of America, under
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  Speaker 2: any circumstances. But the only way that they would ever
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  Speaker 2: get any benefit of the bargain is if they comply
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  Speaker 2: fully and change their behavior, and so you really have
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  Speaker 2: a win win situation for the United States of America.
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  Speaker 2: If the Iranians don't change their behavior, their military and
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  Speaker 2: their nuclear program is still destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: If they do change.
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  Speaker 2: Their behavior, then they are going to have a transformative
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  Speaker 2: relationship with the Middle East, and the Middle East will
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  Speaker 2: have a transformative relationship with the people of Iran. That's
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  Speaker 2: a win for the American people and for the President
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  Speaker 2: of the United States. Regardless of which option the Iranians
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  Speaker 2: ultimately choose, we obviously want them to choose the right option.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting thing about their system, and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: important for the American people to appreciate this point in particular,
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  Speaker 2: is that there are real divisions within their country about
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  Speaker 2: how exactly to proceed. And what we've seen over the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of months is that the pragmatists within the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian system, the people who really do want to transform
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  Speaker 2: their relationship with the Middle East and with the world,
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  Speaker 2: those people are winning the argument. The United States wants
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  Speaker 2: those people to win the argument. The United States wants
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  Speaker 2: to have a better relationship. But in order for that
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  Speaker 2: to happen, the Iranians have to perform, and if they
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  Speaker 2: don't perform. As we've said before, they don't get any
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  Speaker 2: of the benefits.
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  Speaker 3: Of the bargain.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'd ask all of you, is this a report,
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  Speaker 2: honestly that the United States is giving up a cent
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  Speaker 2: of money to Iran, and even the economic benefits, the
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  Speaker 2: sanctions relief and so forth it comes along with this
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  Speaker 2: bargain only happens if the Iranians perform.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now, I think that's all good. I do
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  Speaker 1: not believe there's one pragmatist in the leadership of Iran,
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  Speaker 1: because the guys with the guns Vhiti and the Iergy see,
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  Speaker 1: they are not pragmatists and they will shoot any pragmatists
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  Speaker 1: or readily to their head. So I would have asked
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  Speaker 1: that question the Vice President, but I think he's making
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  Speaker 1: a legit point is that it's just way hysterical out there,
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  Speaker 1: people declaiming that we've lost the war. Now we happened,
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  Speaker 1: stay tuned on d to it. Welcome back in America.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh hewittt as our armada remains in place in
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  Speaker 1: the Gulf of Oman, though not blockading Iran. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: eyes turn on the United States Navy, and that brings
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  Speaker 1: me to an OpEd that was published in The Washington
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  Speaker 1: Examiner earlier this week by Neil Urwitz, who was an
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  Speaker 1: advisor and speech writer for Navy Secretary Del Toro from
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three. Neil, welcome. It's
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  Speaker 1: great to have you on the program. I heartily endorse
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  Speaker 1: your sentiment, which is one of the reasons I've got
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  Speaker 1: you on the program. But I like it when a
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  Speaker 1: Democrat agrees with me, So tell people why hon Kyl
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  Speaker 1: should be Secretary of the Navy.
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  Speaker 4: It does happen every now and then that a Democrat
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  Speaker 4: agrees with you. And thank you again for having me on,
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  Speaker 4: mister HEWITTT. My basic theory of the case is, as
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  Speaker 4: we saw in Iran over the last many the last
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  Speaker 4: many weeks, our navy leaves something to be desired, and
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  Speaker 4: as I witnessed firsthand, we have some very fundamental issues
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  Speaker 4: in our navy. We can't build ships in anything resembling
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  Speaker 4: an appropriate amount of time. We can't maintain them in
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  Speaker 4: anything resembling an appropriate amount of time. We had a
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  Speaker 4: twenty year backlog of maintenance. We can't onboard new technology
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  Speaker 4: in anything resembling appropriate amount of time. And these problems
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  Speaker 4: are not going to be fixed by an acting secretary.
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  Speaker 5: There are any number of.
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  Speaker 4: Entrenched interests that frankly like the current system, that like
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  Speaker 4: being able to charge more when a ship spends too
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  Speaker 4: long on the dock, that simply don't want to deal
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  Speaker 4: with massive reforms. An acting secretary can only be in
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  Speaker 4: the job for two hundred and ten days. Now, you
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  Speaker 4: give a bureaucrat two hundred and ten days to wait
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  Speaker 4: out the clock, guess what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to wait at sex years. In the federal government,
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  Speaker 1: I know how to wait out the clock, and you're right, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: who's the acting secretary? Will not get anything fundamentally changed.
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  Speaker 1: What is the situation in your understanding about his support
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  Speaker 1: within the Navy community, Because I think it's high. He's
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  Speaker 1: a seal, his sons of marine. I think there is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of support for him.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think I will say as a Democrat,
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  Speaker 4: that is what gives me the most, the most reason
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  Speaker 4: to support him, particularly the fact that his son is
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  Speaker 4: a marine and a name, you know, a commissioned second lieutenant.
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  Speaker 5: So he's going to be there for a while.
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  Speaker 6: That means.
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  Speaker 4: Acting Secretary cow has every incentive in the world to
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  Speaker 4: look at long term solutions to fixing structural problems, not
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  Speaker 4: to go after you know, paper it over five minute solutions.
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  Speaker 4: Where I got the most joy, I guess, or early
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  Speaker 4: on that's probably the wrong word, but was when he
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  Speaker 4: said my son will not go into battle under equipped
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  Speaker 4: the way I hung Cow did that said, Okay, he's
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  Speaker 4: ready to take on the actual, hard, difficult problems that's
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  Speaker 4: going to be necessary to make sure that his son
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  Speaker 4: is not under equipped in fifteen and twenty years from now.
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  Speaker 1: Let me give you a compliment, Carlos del Toro. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the frigate, the Constellation class frigate, and we were going
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  Speaker 1: to get that moving and John Field canceled it, the
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  Speaker 1: former secretary of the Navy. We're not building anything, and
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  Speaker 1: we're building nothing on time. Do you think there's enough
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  Speaker 1: time left in the Trump administration to make a dent
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  Speaker 1: in these problems.
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  Speaker 4: I think there is enough time in the Trump administration
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  Speaker 4: to get us on a glide path in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: There are some massive steps that we need to take,
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  Speaker 4: and I will admit to an ulterior motive here is
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  Speaker 4: I want Cow leading on some of those efforts. He
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  Speaker 4: is a big proponent or he had been can't publicly
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  Speaker 4: get out in front of the President now, but he's
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  Speaker 4: very active, publicly advocated for the Ships for America Act
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  Speaker 4: must pass legislation because that's the only way we're going
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  Speaker 4: to get the capacity to actually build ships on time
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  Speaker 4: and on budget.
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  Speaker 5: You can't draw blood from a stone. And the bottom line.
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  Speaker 4: Is our shipyards are maxed out and it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be very, very difficult to get to that three hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty five ship navy that we clearly need, and
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  Speaker 4: as the last you know, as the conflict with Iran
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  Speaker 4: proof that we clearly need.
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  Speaker 5: If we don't have the shipyards to build.
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  Speaker 1: Them, the President will not nominated him. Right, he's still
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  Speaker 1: an acting secretary.
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  Speaker 6: Yet not yet?
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  Speaker 4: And for the what's the wife of me? I?
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  Speaker 5: Your guess is as good as mine.
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  Speaker 4: I've long since given up on reading the tea leaves
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  Speaker 4: with with our commander in chief. My suspicion, but it
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  Speaker 4: is little more than that is that he wants to
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  Speaker 4: see progress on shipbuilding. What I would besiege the President
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  Speaker 4: to hear is, we're not going to see progress on
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  Speaker 4: shipbuilding while we have an acting We're just he does
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  Speaker 4: not have the political capital, He does not have the
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  Speaker 4: staying power as an acting to make the big changes
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  Speaker 4: that the President I think genuinely wants to see is
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  Speaker 4: judging by the Maritime Action Plan and the Maritime Dominance
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  Speaker 4: Agenda that, to his immense credit, he has put out.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I do know Captain Jerry Hendricks pretty well, who's
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  Speaker 1: over at omb in charge of their shipbuilding office, and
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  Speaker 1: I know he works pretty well with Acting Secretary Hunko.
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  Speaker 1: They're old acquaintances, if not friends to the extent.
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  Speaker 5: Friend that I love Jerry too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Jerry is a dear friend of mine, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that he's just chomping at the bit to
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  Speaker 1: get going on reform. Do you think the American people
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  Speaker 1: understand how badly screwed up the Navy is not our sailors,
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  Speaker 1: they're wonderful professionals, but the platforms, the structures, the ships.
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  Speaker 5: No, they don't, is the short answer.
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  Speaker 4: I always say that projecting military power, there are three
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  Speaker 4: parts of that stool. Is your people. Our people are
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  Speaker 4: the best in the world. I have no doubts about that.
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  Speaker 4: There's our strategies, those are going to change from administration
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  Speaker 4: to administration. And there's our platforms and technology. And we
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  Speaker 4: are rapidly losing our edge there. You know, we by tonnage,
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  Speaker 4: our navy is still bigger than the Chinese Navy, not
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  Speaker 4: by ship number. And we have gotten we have taken
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  Speaker 4: open seas for granted for you know, closing in on
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  Speaker 4: eighty years now, certainly long before I was born. And
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  Speaker 4: it will come as a real shock to the American
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  Speaker 4: people when all of a sudden they're spending a lot
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  Speaker 4: more because they can't guarantee that the Amazon packages that
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  Speaker 4: they've just come to rely upon, that come from all
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  Speaker 4: over the world aren't going to be there for them.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Last question, Neil, I'm just curing. How did you end
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  Speaker 1: up working as the advisor to the Second Avenue speech writer?
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be a great job.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a great job, and I loved, loved
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  Speaker 4: working for the Secretary, no matter how frustrating the bureauers
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: he could get at points. I've known the Secretary Del
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Toro since twenty sixteen. We've worked together on Hillary Clinton's
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: campaign say what you will there, and he I have
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: always just loved his ability to see six, seven, eight
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  Speaker 4: moves ahead.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: I have loved his.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Ability to see that our real problem at the end
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: of the day is our defense industrial base, and to
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: put his shoulder to the wheel to fix that issue,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: because until that issue is fixed, everything else is just
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: wanted a dressing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: NOI Rwitz, thank you for joining me today. Keep writing
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: pieces like this. Just nominate hon Kow for Navy Secretary.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Already it's in the Dcexaminer dot com Washington Examiner. And
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I appreciate a bit of a partisanship in the middle
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of conflict. So thank you so much, Neil. Don't go anywhere, America.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I'm coming right back with more news on where the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: MoU stands and what to expect as we go forward.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: A couple more eclips from the Vice President today in
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the White House press room when we return.
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  Speaker 7: To the wise look on the fly side, no flying.
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: Alwise, look on the lie SI toll flying.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm here, Hewitt. That's Monty python
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Rol and I'm playing that as the intro to my
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: commentary on the Couch Therapy session for the members of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the Commentary Podcast, which is my favorite podcast hosted by
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: John pod Hortz, Abe Greenwald, Seth Mandel. Eleana Y Johnson
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: is my guest right now, Christine Rosen along with regular
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: guest appearances by Matt Continey, Eli Lake, and Jonathan Schanzer.
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  Speaker 1: So these eight people are smart, they know what they're doing,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but they're close to a stroke after the MoU came out,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and I just want to calm this down, Eleianna. First
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: of all, I detect that you are at least equal
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to the chillist person on the on the podcast. Am
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I right about that?
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: I think you're probably right about that, Hugh, which is
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: not that chill But I have to say I'm genuinely
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: torn about this mo OU, which I think is a deal.
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: I'm viewing it as a deal about hormus and not
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: a nuclear deal. I'm with you, I don't think there
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: will be a nuclear deal, but there are two things
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: about it in particular that trouble me.
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: The first is the.
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: Linkage of Lebanon and the requirement that Israel, which is
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: not a signatory to this deal, cease it ceased responding
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: to Hesbala terrorist attacks in Lebanon, and what I read
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: is essentially, you know, giving an American stamp of approval
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: to an Iranian proxy there that troubles me. And the
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: second is you know the fine print of the deal,
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: which was added late. As I read in the Institute
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: for the Study of War summary of what happened here
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: is that Iran will merely not toll the straight for
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: sixty days. So I assume that we will have Iran
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: tolling the straight over the long term.
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  Speaker 10: That also troubles me.
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  Speaker 9: But what I don't want to lose sight of, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: here we can go back to your opening song, is
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: that there were enormous military achievements accomplished in this war,
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: and that is the bright side of life. All of
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: this is coming on the heels of really historic military
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: accomplishments and setbacks to the nuclear program.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So big question are we the United States? And is
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the world better off than it was when Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: took the oath of office a second time?
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: I think, unquestionably the world is better off than when
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: Trump took the oath of office. He remains the only
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: American president to have the fortitude to use military force
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  Speaker 9: against the Iranian regime, first in Operation Roaring Line and
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: then in.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: Operation Epic Theory.
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: And I think undoubtedly Trump won on the battlefield, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: I worry he may have lost at.
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  Speaker 10: The negotiating table.
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  Speaker 4: Here.
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  Speaker 9: I think in this MoU the Iranians got more than
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: the Americans did. As you recall, they were supposed to open.
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: The Straight on April eighth.
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: That never happened, and now we're giving them, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: we're essentially paying that, not out of taxpayer dollars, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: they're getting their oil revenues back in order to open
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: the Straight, and they will toll it.
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  Speaker 1: I regret deeply that we did not finish the target list.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Back when the forty days were over, Admiral Cooper said
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: there were two more weeks. I regret we didn't finish
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: it and stop. But we are where we are, and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we're a lot better off with their nuclear processes. Not
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: just there in rich uranium buried that happened last year,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: but their entire production process has been shattered, as has
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the missile and the drone production. They can't you build
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that for decades, Elliotta, even if they do the full
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: industrial might of the irun there isn't a lot of
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: industrial might. Do you think they can rebuild that in
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: any time in the next decade?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I hope you're right, Hugh.
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  Speaker 9: My concern is that the oil revenues will immediately bring
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: them five billion dollars a month. Who knows how much
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: they'll get from the tolls they'll impose on the straight,
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: not to mention, you know, the assault on the norms,
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: the seding to them essentially of the control of an
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  Speaker 9: international waterway after sixty days. I think that's that's really harmful.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: And I worry that the money that they get will
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: immediately go to rebuilding their military and industrial base, either
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: to digging out the nuclear material that was buried in
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: the rubble or to building new nuclear facilities. And frankly,
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: I just don't know enough to know how long that
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: will take him, and to funneling that money HUE to
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: their proxies where apparently the Iranians have already told Hesblah
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: that they will be getting some of this money. That
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: also comes from Institute for the Study of War, who's
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: summary of all of these events I found incredibly informative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a third red line I'm worried about, which
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is I don't know if they can use the destroyed
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: highly enriched uranium for a dirty bomb. I have to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: talk to David Albright or something about that. But let's
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: start with red lines that if a final deal has them,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it will be a disaster for the world. Number one,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you've just touched on this strait cannot be subject to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Iranian control period, end of story. I think rather than
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: decrying the MoU, critics of the EMAILU ought to be saying,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: this isn't very good, but my god, don't bring us
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: back a deal that says they have any authority over
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the strait. And number two, and you've already mentioned it
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that we can't negotiate for Israel. That's not up to us.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: That we're not allowed to tell them that they can't
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: go into Lebanon. I don't know who agreed to that,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: but they should be fired.
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  Speaker 10: But haven't we already done that, Hugh?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, that's what's in this MoU. The president seems
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: to have adopted the Iranians framework and bringing Lebanon into this.
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: And my concern is that the you know, the ink
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: on the paper of the MoU says that Iran is
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: to open the strait without tolls for sixty days. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: so my concern is that even if negotiations drag out,
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: which I don't think there will ever be a nuclear deal,
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: even if Trump says the people are rational and they
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: may want hotels and resorts in Tehran, you know the
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: bringing the Gaza Riviera to Tehran, that they will impose
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: tolls in these They will negotiate with the Omani's to
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: impose tolls sixty days from the day that the ink dried.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: So sure, I read it differently, should be redlined, but
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: I read it differently.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I read it that for the sixty days of negotiation
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: there will be no tolls or no interference with the Strait.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Doesn't say aname about day sixty one, And I think
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: our negotiation team has to say no, no holes, not now,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: not ever, and never. And you have to agree that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the straight up horror moves in international waterway. That is
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: one of my red line. What do you want the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: final agreement to say about Israel and Lebanon? We have
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a minute to the break ello and then you're coming back.
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  Speaker 9: Sure well, Hugh, I don't think there will be a
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: final agreement at all. I think this is the final agreement,
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: which is why I'm raising the concerns I have with
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: this agreement. Assuming this is where we're going to end
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: up for the foreseeable future. I think at the very least,
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: the President will allow negotiations on a nuclear deal to
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: drag on through the elections, because I do think it
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: was the political pressure of rising gas prices that he
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: felt were more important than proceeding with this war.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Leanna is going to stay with me for the next segment,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: as well as the segment thereafter at the beginning of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the next hour. Then Seth Mandela's commentary on the Couch
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: continues on the u IT Show. We bring some deep
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: breaths to my very favorite podcasters out there, so we
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: don't want them to stroke out on us. Stay tuned
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: in America.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: How they right that?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Eleanna Johnson is being
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: very generous with their time today, editor in chief of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the Washington Free Beacon, I must read a must stop
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: every day, Eleianna. When we're going to break, we're telling
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you about the elections. Do you think it's legitimate? I do,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: because I think the Democrats are a danger in national
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: security for the president to worry about gas prices at
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the perhaps expense of the current conflict with Iran to
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: get through the elections.
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  Speaker 9: Sure, I think it's a legitimate concern, and I think
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: perhaps a failure of foresight on the part of the
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: administration not to see the potential for the strait of
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: horror moves to close, and look, you, it's absolutely legitimate.
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: Look presidents have they don't have the luxury of being
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: able to focus on one things. They have to focus
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: on domestic politics, foreign policy, all things at once. It's
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: an extraordinarily difficult job. I simply would have preferred a
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: military solution to breaking the Iranian hold on the straight
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: of horror moves as opposed to making a deal. But
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: I can see the argument for doing both there. I
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: do think there are reasonable people on both sides of this,
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: I will say, Hugh, I think one of the things
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: that has rankled my colleagues on the commentary podcast in particular,
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: are that while there are reasonable arguments on both sides
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: of this, we are seeing some bad faith arguments out
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: of the administration.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: John vice President, the attack on John Pariz may be
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the most ill considered comments the Vice president has made.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It really was.
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: I mean, I just think saying that your opponents, your
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: ideological opponents, are people who support a different outcome for this.
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: You know, want one hundred thousand troops on the ground,
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: don't care if Iranians die, and support.
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: High gas prices.
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: It's just like silliness, particularly when you preface it by saying, look,
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: I want to give folks the benefit of the doubt.
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: Just silly and I think that that rankles, But of
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: course I can't understand it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Does I wanna Do.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: You think it goes to the fact that John Potterwort,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: like John is a little bit younger than I am.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But we've spent all forty seven years watching this regime.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I learned about this regime on a couch and San
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Clementy with Richard Nixon and Ray Price watching the Revolution.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I know this regime like John knows it, like some
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: very few people like Eli Lake and Mark Dubowitz know it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think that John and I and other people
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: are perhaps more invested in the defeat of the regime
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: than the Vice President is because he's late to the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: game a minute.
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: I don't really think so, Hugh.
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: I think there's a genuine difference in worldview, because you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: I'm forty one years old, and I share your worldview
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: and that of really that of John and our colleague
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: Matt Continetti and many people, and we're of all different ages,
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: and you know, I'm about the age of the may
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: be the exact same age as the vice president, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: there are reasonable people on both sides, and generally we
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: try to be charitable to each other.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I wish she had done on the mat.
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: But I do think.
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: Since I think the Vice President is so smart, I
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: think he fully understands the nature of the Iranium regime
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: and just doesn't want any involvement in the region.
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: I think we're going to talk.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: About this more. Eleon has agreed to say for the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: first segment next hour, as Commentary on the Couch extends
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer, America, I'm you HERETT. Welcome to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: hour two of the program. Coming up after this segment,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Seth Mandel joined me from Commentary Magazine. Continuing on from
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: our number one, I'm joined by Elean Y Johnson. She's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: editor in chief for The Free Beacon. She's also a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: participant in the Commentary podcast. And I'm putting Commentary on
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the Couch because they are really spun up over there
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: over the MoU. And by spun up, I mean I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: don't like it either, but I'm just counting on it
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as a marker. That doesn't mean anything. Like a letter
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of intent between real estate negotiators. You can have one
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: hundred of them. They don't really bind you until you
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: put earnest money on the table. So, Elianna, what I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you. I posted earlier today over at
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: my ex account the meme of Marco Rubio on the couch,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: but I dress them up in a coal miner suit
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: holding a canary, because I think if the final agreement
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: is as bad as you guys think it commentary, he'll quit.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: He'll actually resign, do you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't think we're going to get a final agreement.
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: So sure, I suppose if we got a final nuclear
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: agreement that was really terrible, I suppose I would agree
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: with you. But Hugh, I give that very very slim odds.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: Do you actually believe we're going to get a nuclear agreement?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Not in a one hundred years. No, and I don't believe.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, mister Wikoff. I have a lot of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: respect for Jared. I've only met him a couple of times.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But I think you're a very smart real estate developer.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I think Secretary Rubio knows this file up and down,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and jd. Vance is very very brilliant. And the President
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: intuitively hates Iron and the Mulas and has for fifty years,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't think there will be a surrender. I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: think this is a tactical retreat to status quoante war.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But if it did come out, I'm asking you hypothetical,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: if it was bad, would you expect Rubio to walk out?
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: Sure?
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: I think it would be tough for him to advocate
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: for that. And in fact, we don't see him out
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: there advocating for this mu which is quite interesting. This
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: seems to be the vice president's portfolio. And in fact,
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: you know, on the front end, when it was war
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: that needed advocating for, the President had Secretary Rubio, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: it was the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: Who doing the daily briefings.
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: And now he seems to have turned to his peace team,
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: which is the Vice President, Jared Kushner and Steve Wikoff,
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: who are out there doing the briefings now. And President
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: Trump likes to switch between teams like this. But the
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: reason I don't think we're going to have a nuclear
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: deal is for reasons because I don't actually believe that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: The nature of this regime has changed.
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: They have not for years, they have not ever wanted
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: to give up their desire to make a nuclear weapon.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: They remain Islamist fundamentalists, and their goals are survival and.
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: A nuclear bomb. And I don't think they're going to
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: see a deal.
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: In which they agree to give up a nuclear weapon.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: General Jack Keene put it very succinctly. Their goals are survive, recover, rebuild,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and rearm. And I think he's right. I don't think
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: there's competent as the fifty people that got blown up,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and I think there's going to be all sorts of
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: intrigued within the remainder of the leadership, Thehiti and everybody
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: else over who has passed over in the past. It's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: atalitarian society that's as corrupt as corrupt can be. I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: listened to Aviv ready Goura on this and he continually
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: pounds home they are just as corrupt as corrupt can be.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: So it could go the way of enver Hoffa, it
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: could go the way of of Nicholas Touchescu, it could
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: topple Eliana. But I don't see us doing a bad deal.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I really I don't. I mean, are you optimistic about
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: where I am and you are? Because I'm very optimistic
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm optimistic they were there will be no deal
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: because I don't think there's a willing partner on the
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: other side of the negotiating table to do a nuclear deal.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: And it's interesting haveviv I listened to the same thing,
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: made the point that just because they're corrupt doesn't mean
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: they're not Islamist fundamentalists. They're they're both, and they are
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: you know, they they will continue to seek the destruction
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: of the Satan Israel and the Great Satan America even
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: as they steal money and steal humanitarian supplies and funnel
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: money to their to their proxies and work to re arm,
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: which is what they will do immediately.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I agree. Now, what revelation did you have from the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: actual combat about the American military and our allies? What
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: did you What are your takeaways from that, because I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: have some over at Fox News today, but I don't
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: know that you've read that or that you have my
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: same opinion, but I have some big takeaways.
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: Well, it's obviously we're in the midst of a revolution
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: in war that is moving to a low cost drone warfare,
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: and we have yet to adapt. We were using high
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: cost weapons in this conflict that we ran down quickly,
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: and we.
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: Need to move quickly.
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: Congress needs to approve the president's military request for a
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: one point five billion dollars million military budget, and we
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: need to be moving quickly towards producing these much lower cost,
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: cheaper methods. But in this new method of war, weaker parties,
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: you know, Iran is weaker than the US can fight,
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: just as Ukraine has fought against Russia, and we need
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: to adapt to that reality.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: That's exactly my takeaway. It's one point five trillion dollars.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I know Eleana knows that, but she missedrodounce it's trillion dollars,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and we need reconciliation to get it passed in a
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: hurry because we have to surge production of interceptors. That's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the key. That was our Achilles heel. They could blow
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: up the Deceel plants, they could blow up the oil
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: feeds Our Saudi Arabia was a schizophrenic UAE finally started
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: bombing Iran, and I think they're a little smarted there.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Back in the game, Oman doesn't know what to do.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Katar has got no defenses except in American air base,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and they're completely hostage to the fanatics across the straight
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of hormone. So we have to surge defensive capabilities to
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: reach don't you think.
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: One hundred percent? And the interceptors are key to our defense.
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: But we also need to start producing drones, Hugh, so
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: that we can go on. We need offensive weapons too
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: to prepare for any potential future fight. But we did
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: perform masterfully in this and I don't think China or
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: Russia watching us. Pamela ran would be happy seeing that.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: I think they'd be nervous coming away from this. But
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: we've got to recover quickly, and that requires a reconciliation
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: package that includes an enormous sum of money to rebuild
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: our defense industrial capacity, something that's been run down for
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: the past twenty years. So we've got to We've got
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: to do that quickly, and we should hear a lot
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: more talk about it on Capitol.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Hill, right. We need to be two's replenished, B twenty
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: ones built. Now. I want to go to the person
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: who really has a right to be angry, the person
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: who is the most screwed by the MoU the one
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: who actually has right now anger that can be absolutely
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: written down, and that's Benjamin Netanyahoo, because boy did the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: President kneecap him do you agree with that assessment or
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: am I too concerned about Bibi? By the way, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: have no dog in the fight. I just know I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: read the polls and BB's kneecapped.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the President's really turned on Israel the past couple
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: of days. The Vice President was just out doing a
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: press conference. I think you played it maybe at the
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: at the beginning of the show, in which he seemed
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: to issue a pretty stark warning to Israel, saying, America,
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: is that your only ally in the world. Earlier today
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: I listened to Ross Stautit's podcast in which he said,
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: you know, there are just a country of nine million people,
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: and they can't just rely on killing their enemies all
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: the time, which lost seem to have done mostly. No, no, no, sorry,
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: The Vice President said, that's all. Oh, God, seeing a
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: turn from the administration, you know, against I think, against Israel,
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: telling them to essentially sit down, be quiet, go along
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: with the and it will be interesting to see you.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: There are elections in the fall in Israel. Whether Benjamin
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: NATANYAHUO pays a political price for having persuaded Trump to
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: go into this war with him and then failed to
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: persuade him to complete the action.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe that America is going to turn
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: on Israel, at least the Republican Party. Seventy percent of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Republicans favored the start of the war strong supporters of Israel.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: That may have gone down a little bit as gas
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: went up, but I don't think it's unrecoverable. Last word
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to you on the importance of the American Israel, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: think it's the most important strategic ally of the United States.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Has I got no other reason for supporting it. It's
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: our aircraft carrier in the Middle East. Ninety seconds to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: you Aliana.
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm with you you and I do think that
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: the alliance will persevere and persist long term because it
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: makes strategic sense.
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: And I think we saw the alliance.
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: Can do in the first six weeks.
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: In the first month of this war.
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: It was spectacular, spectacularly effective. And right now the Republican Party,
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: because of the turn against Israel and I guess against
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: Jews in the Democratic Party, particularly on the far left,
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: the Republican Party remains the only, you know, the bastion
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: of support for Israel, and I think it will continue
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: to be quite important even as the fringes really outside
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: the party on some segments of the media turn virulently
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: against it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Amen, it is not going to spread. It's already walled
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: off and it's not going to spread. Aleona why Johnson,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon, thank you.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Follow her on a Eleana y Johnson follow me the
• 40:45
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• 40:50
  Speaker 1: is next into the waiting room for Commentary on the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Couch segments, just to calm them down because they're upset.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people. Aaron McCain's upset,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and markid Worth is upsett. You I like, is upset.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Matt Kunteney and I are kind of yeah, we don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: like it, but it's not terrible. And then there are
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people who don't. Democrats are jumping up
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and down on Trump. Peter, stay tune, Welcome back in America.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett for part two Commentary on the Couch.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I've invited Seth Mandel. Now, Seth Mandel is the father
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  Speaker 1: Granddad too, Seth. I am doing the commentary on the
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  Speaker 1: couch segments. I just finished with Eleianna doing therapy with her.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Because you guys are really rot You're pretty overwrought on this.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I am of the I am of the view. It's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a nothing burger. It's a punt. They get the seal
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: oil for sixty days, we get the shipwale out of
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the gulf for sixty days. We'll probably extend it for
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: three months, and then we'll go back to the real
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: war after the elections. Why am I wrong?
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: Because I don't think he has the appetite to go
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: back to the real war. I think this is his
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: way of saying he's kind.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Of had it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: That's really the biggest problem to me is that the
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: thirty days is going to give Ron a huge headstart
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: on telling oil, and I think it's going to be
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: very difficult to disrupt that status quo once it starts.
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: If I felt like he had the desire to finish
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: the job after a thirty days, let's say, I think
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: I would feel differently. But he seems to be all
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: but signaling that he's done. And the arguments that jade
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: Vance has been making have been making closing arguments. None
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: of them have sounded like, well, we'll see how it goes.
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: They've all been more along the lines of we can't
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: afford to keep this going, we can't afford to do
• 43:41
  Speaker 11: it again, and continuing to bomb won't get us. This
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: is what they said, won't get us to open the
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: straight and so therefore it's just a waste of time
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: and money. That was the president's argument also, So that
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: sounds to me like he's done no.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I think for this reason, the President changes his mind
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: all the time, and that he takes in everything that's
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: being said everywhere. He's hearing. He's hearing Jack Keen on Fox,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: he's hearing me on Fox. He's hearing all the critics
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: of the deal or of the potential deal on Fox
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and on every other platform. And he's listening the commentary
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: as Jade Vance, obviously is vice president, actually attacked John
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: pod Ortz, and I thought, boy, that was not a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: good move. You never go after an individual critic when
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of critics out there. And he
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: listens to Mark Levin, who's his friend, he calls him up.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So I think he's going to take it all in
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and realize, boy, this was necessary for the elections, but
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: after the elections, I have to finish off the wounded beast.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: That's my hope.
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: It's possible, But he doesn't seem to really be tying
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: this to the elections. I'm not sure how worried he is.
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: I think he should be somewhat worried, obviously, because he
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: doesn't want Republicans to lose the Senate, because that raises
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: the specter of total democratic control, which would raise the
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: specter of impeachment or whatever the investigations that they're going
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: to do.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: So I know that he should, but up.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: Until this point, he hasn't really been basing his arguments
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: on whether or not they're going to cost Republicans Congress.
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: He's mostly been saying, look, we have to make a sacrifice.
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: That sacrifice is going to come in the form of
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: higher gas prices for the summer, right when people don't
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: want them, But we have to make that sacrifice because
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: in the long run, stopping ran from having a nuclear
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: weapon is going to be much more valuable for everybody
• 45:29
  Speaker 11: and save everybody much more pain down the line. So
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: if he's if he's holding off until after the midterms,
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: he hasn't signaled it yet, and again it could be
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: a great headfake, but everything that's come out of the
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: White House over the past week has has had a
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: note of finality about it, and I think the only
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: thing that could really change this is if the Iranians
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: really mess it up and give him a reason to
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: give him no excuse not to go back in.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: But he sounds done now.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I have posted the meme of Marco Ribo on the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: couch dresses a coal miner with a canary in the mind.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: If this deal actually became, if the MoU actually became
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a deal, that is as bad as the worst skeptics
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of it are saying. I expect Secretary Ribio to quit,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: do you?
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm torn.
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: I think Rubio knows that he's there, and he has
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: a purpose there, and every time something happens that suggests
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: that he doesn't have the influence that he should, or
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: that he's just being used as a smoke screen or
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: of some kind, he's able to do something else that
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: proves his worth to Trump and proves his trust to Trump,
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: and through that he's been able to put out some fires.
• 46:48
  Speaker 11: He gave great speech at the Munich Security Conference, for example,
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: tiding things over with the Europeans. He has been very
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: important on Venezuela. He's obviously the voice on Venezuela and
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: Trump trusts that and he knows that. So if I
• 47:03
  Speaker 11: don't know if he's actually going to quit in protest
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: I think he might feel that he needs to be
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: there to stop bad deals and bad policies from happening
• 47:15
  Speaker 11: in these other arenas, and that he'll take this one
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: loss and not turn it into possible losses in Latin
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: America or elsewhere, that he still has has a purpose.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: That's my guess. I really think think he goes dick.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: But back in the debate over the JCPOA, he was
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: so far out there in condemning it. I think he's
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: very deeply invested in the destruction of this regime. Seth.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Let me close this way, what's the best case scenario.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: What's the best result of where we are right now,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Assuming that the nuclear program is already destroyed, and assuming
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that the Mitchell production line missile production line are very
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: badly damaged, all.
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: The best case scenario is to get rid of those
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: threats and to have the straight open But what they
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: need to do is to have a totally different attitude
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: about the Strait and it not be something that Iran
• 48:06
  Speaker 11: can just bargain around with. The world was supposed to
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: rise up in outrage at the thought that a rogue
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: state like Iran could choke off global commerce this way.
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: So there needs to be a solution, and that solution
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: needs to be a clear message sent and received that
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: the world won't be held hostage by this region.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Now. In nineteen seventy two, Henry Kissinger announced Pieces at
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Hand in October. It didn't work out that way, so
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Nixon went to the Christmas bombings in December of seventy
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: two after an election. I see that arc again because
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Nixon in Trump, and a lot
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: of Trump was a Nixon. Don't you see that arc?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: That's the arc. I see. We're going to be back
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: at war with these people.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: It's possible, it's possible.
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: It's just he's been saying publicly things like running out
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: of munitions and stuff like that. We've been having all
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: these reports that we don't have what we would need now. Course,
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: perhaps in a few months that would change, that would
• 49:03
  Speaker 11: give us.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Time to catch up or whatever.
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: But he's been kind of reading stage directions allowed lately.
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: You know, he's been kind of saying things that they've
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: been saying quietly, but putting them out there. Maybe we
• 49:15
  Speaker 11: don't have enough musicians munitions.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, maybe we don't.
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: We can't really get them to open the straight No
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: matter how much we bomb them. These sorts of arguments
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: are the arguments that you make against military intervention full stop.
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: So that Chang sounds like and it could be a
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: head fit.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: You can change he changes his mind. I'm putting my
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: chips on head fag an election Cheth Mandel follow him
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: on ext seth a man. Listen to the commentary podcast
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: every day as I do, and stay tuned them coming
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: right back to America with more from the Vice President
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: in the press room, sick the hour three of them.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: You can do a show as you've known over the years,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: twenty fix years I've been doing this program. Whenever I
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: had a question I think nuclear, I would call my
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: college roommate and closest friend, Dan Pontman, and Dan would
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: ducate me on what I needed to know. And now
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Dan's taking to telling me. Congressman Fleischman from Tennessee third,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: he knows more about nuclear than anybody else in the Congress.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: So he's there because I got questions on nukes. Congressman,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: welcome back. Let's start by telling people where Tennessee three is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: What do you represent? Which part of the state.
• 50:17
  Speaker 12: East Tennessee, the Great Oak Ridge Reservation, the birthplace of
• 50:22
  Speaker 12: the Manhattan Project and the number one nuclear state in
• 50:25
  Speaker 12: the country, the Oakridge National Lab, the Y twelve National
• 50:29
  Speaker 12: Security Complex, the side of the most successful legacy cleanup
• 50:34
  Speaker 12: and environment in the country.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: So all things East Tennessee. I live in Chattanooga.
• 50:40
  Speaker 12: I represent oak Ridge, but Oakridge is right next to
• 50:44
  Speaker 12: the great city, my beloved city of Knoxville. I do
• 50:47
  Speaker 12: not represent Knoxville, but I went there at the right
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: old age of twenty when I began law school and
• 50:53
  Speaker 12: came to the South. And by the way, you thank
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: you for your kind words about Nan Ponaman. Dan is
• 50:59
  Speaker 12: a former Deputy Secretary of Nagery. He did an outstanding job.
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: He is still a dear, dear friend. So you choose
• 51:06
  Speaker 12: your friends very very wisely.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: And well, well, my friends are two Democrats, Dan Paraman
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and Mark Aaron Mark with Bill Clinton's deputy chief of
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Staff and Peace Corps Director. Dan's worked for every Democrat.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: They're just wrong, but they're wonderful people, That's what I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: tell him. And Dan isn't wrong on nukes.
• 51:24
  Speaker 12: He's not wrong on nukes. And when you sit with
• 51:26
  Speaker 12: Dan and spend some time with him, you're right.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: The Dam's wrong, But He's.
• 51:30
  Speaker 12: Not a crazy dem He's the old timey Dan still wrong,
• 51:34
  Speaker 12: but not like the current Democratic Party that has literally
• 51:37
  Speaker 12: lost his mind.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Dan has kept his mind. I think he's actually more
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: of an independent.
• 51:42
  Speaker 12: But in any event, I'm glad you and I are
• 51:45
  Speaker 12: still good, strong conservative Republicans, and that's what I think
• 51:47
  Speaker 12: we need more of.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll describe him in a final way. He's a
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: John Glenn Democrat. That's who he went to work for
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: first year of college. I went to work for Richard Nixxons,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and Mark went to work for Robert Drynen. So that's
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: how you worth. The three of us were going. Okay,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Congressman Flesh, but I want to ask you something that
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you may not be able to answer. I think we
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: did so much damage to the Iranian nuclear program that
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Operation Epic Theory is a win win win, regardless of
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: what's in the MoU. I'm not too put out by
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the MoU because I think it's a punt, but I
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: would do it anyway, even if it was the last
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: day of the war. What do you think, totally agree
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 12: This is a great win for the Trump administration, it's
• 52:25
  Speaker 12: a great win for America.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: It's a great win for the world security.
• 52:29
  Speaker 12: Iran for forty seven years, and I'm old enough, I'm
• 52:31
  Speaker 12: sixty three to remember when they.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: Had that revolution.
• 52:35
  Speaker 12: And for forty seven years, Iran has been the worst
• 52:39
  Speaker 12: state sponsor of terrorism in the world. They've killed Americans,
• 52:43
  Speaker 12: they've killed other people. They've threatened our beloved ally Israel,
• 52:47
  Speaker 12: they've threatened the United States.
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: We have succeeded.
• 52:51
  Speaker 12: Now in totally keeping them from ever developing the nuclear
• 52:55
  Speaker 12: weapon they were on that path.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: The proof is in the fact that they've got.
• 53:00
  Speaker 12: This enriched uranium that we will ultimately be taking back
• 53:06
  Speaker 12: to the United States and storing safely for the benefit
• 53:09
  Speaker 12: of not allly the United States, but of the world.
• 53:12
  Speaker 12: But yes, a great win. This fourteen point MoU is important.
• 53:18
  Speaker 12: But it goes back to my great hero Ronald Reagan,
• 53:21
  Speaker 12: who said when he was dealing with the then evil
• 53:24
  Speaker 12: empire of the Soviet Union, trust but verified. We will
• 53:28
  Speaker 12: have to verify every step of the way. But thank goodness,
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: there will not be in nuclear Iran. And hopefully we
• 53:35
  Speaker 12: can get back to a point now where the rest
• 53:38
  Speaker 12: of the region has some stability.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: But you couldn't be more right. We have decimated them militarily.
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: They've got no navy, they've got no air force, they've
• 53:46
  Speaker 12: got no communication.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: The regime is still tattered but intact.
• 53:51
  Speaker 12: But a great win for President Trump and his entire team,
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: vance Rubio, Witkoff, Kushner and the life.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: On the enriched material because you put your finger on
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: my number one concern. I was being brief by a
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: senior administration official and I asked, do we get the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: three point sixty seven percent enriched uranium? And there was
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: ambiguity there. I know we get the highly enriched uranium.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It's either destroyed on site or brought back here. What's
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: your understanding about the three point sixty seven stockpile to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the extend it exists and wasn't blown up as well?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I want that too, What do you think?
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: Let me try to explain that. And I'm glad you
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: asked me that.
• 54:29
  Speaker 12: As part of my working in the nuclear I had
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: to learn about nuclear fuels. Low enriched uranium fuel is
• 54:36
  Speaker 12: LU that's up to five percent. Enrichment in the ground
• 54:40
  Speaker 12: uranium is about one percent when we enrich it to
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: up to five percent, and three point sixty seven is
• 54:46
  Speaker 12: what we call l EU.
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: Low enriched uranium I'm going to say it's harmless.
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: This is the current feedstock for our existing supply of
• 54:55
  Speaker 12: nuclear power plants large and small in the world. So
• 55:00
  Speaker 12: this is low enriched uranium. It is nowhere, nowhere near
• 55:04
  Speaker 12: weapons grade uranium. So in effect it's harmless. It's okay
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: to allow them to do that. We have all along
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: said Iran could have a peaceful nuclear energy program.
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: The bottom line is they didn't want that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 12: They wanted highly enriched weapons enriched uranium, which now they
• 55:21
  Speaker 12: cannot have and which we will take back.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And last question on the topic, if they attempt to
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: rebuild centrifuges to use that three point sixty seven percent,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: which is seventy percent of the way to achi, you
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: should we bomb those centrifuges again? I think we blew
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: up all the factories to make them, and I think
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: we blew up all the centrifuges. But should we make
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: sure that they understand they can't ever do that again?
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: I think they do understand that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 12: And the reality is is when we spend centrifuges in
• 55:49
  Speaker 12: Centrifuge technology is not unique to Iran. We have companies
• 55:55
  Speaker 12: in this country Urankoo.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: There are companies that use these.
• 56:02
  Speaker 12: America has a new country actually a company called Centric
• 56:06
  Speaker 12: that Dan was involved in. They have centrifuges as well.
• 56:10
  Speaker 12: This technology is not unique, but yes, you can certainly
• 56:13
  Speaker 12: enrich to up to five percent HALU, which is what
• 56:17
  Speaker 12: the new reactors, the generation for reactors will be using,
• 56:20
  Speaker 12: is enriched up to twenty percent.
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: You can use centrifuges for that. But yes, once you
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: go beyond that, it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 12: Is very easy to ascertain when they get into the
• 56:30
  Speaker 12: weapons grade area. So we can monitor that. No worries
• 56:34
  Speaker 12: if they stay at under five percent.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Right now, Congressman Fleischman, I always ask Secretary Bergham when
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: he's on or Secretary right when he's on, respectively, Interior Energy,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: how are we doing on our modular reactor sprint, Because
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that's the future, that's the answer to everything. What's your
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: assessment of it?
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad you asked me that. Both those gentlemen
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: are my partners.
• 57:00
  Speaker 12: Work on a very regular basis with Secretary Wright. Actually
• 57:03
  Speaker 12: I write the Energy and Water bill for the country
• 57:05
  Speaker 12: that funds the Department of Energy. Secretary Burghram at the
• 57:08
  Speaker 12: American Dominance Energy Council, I chose the American Dominance and
• 57:12
  Speaker 12: Energy Caucus in Congress, which is a strong bipartisan caucus,
• 57:17
  Speaker 12: so we have very similar goals. The reality is the
• 57:21
  Speaker 12: small modular reactors, the Generation threes, which are out there.
• 57:25
  Speaker 12: I put up eight hundred million dollars in fiscal twenty
• 57:27
  Speaker 12: twenty four for that. Two companies, one ge Hitachi and Holtech,
• 57:33
  Speaker 12: both wonderful light water reactors using the LU the existing fuel.
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: So are they the future? Yes? I commend the administration
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: for choosing that.
• 57:45
  Speaker 12: When I put up the money, you I can't choose
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: who wins and loses. I am dependent on people like
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: Wright and Burgham, and they're experts to do that. In
• 57:55
  Speaker 12: my view, they chose very wisely on the Generation threes.
• 57:59
  Speaker 12: But let's I'll look past the Generation force. These are
• 58:02
  Speaker 12: companies like terror Power, x Energy, Cairos, which use higher
• 58:07
  Speaker 12: potency fuel. They use the HALO, which now we're going
• 58:10
  Speaker 12: to have a Russian ban on in twenty twenty eight,
• 58:12
  Speaker 12: so we've got to produce that domestically, and we are
• 58:15
  Speaker 12: doing that now thanks to companies like Centrists, and others
• 58:20
  Speaker 12: will be doing that. But the reality is the future
• 58:23
  Speaker 12: is bright for these smaller reactors. I would be remiss
• 58:26
  Speaker 12: if I didn't talk about the microreactors, which in a
• 58:29
  Speaker 12: colloquial sense is called a trash can reactor, smaller able
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: to be used by not only the Department of Energy,
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: but also for their Department of Defense in lieu of
• 58:40
  Speaker 12: future generators.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: So the future is bright for America.
• 58:45
  Speaker 12: I wrote a bill in twenty four to twenty five
• 58:48
  Speaker 12: and twenty six and twenty seven that is very strong
• 58:51
  Speaker 12: pro nuclear. The future is bright, and the best news
• 58:55
  Speaker 12: on the other side of the aisle, younger progressives who
• 58:58
  Speaker 12: agree with me on apps absolutely nothing, will come over
• 59:02
  Speaker 12: and work with me on new nuclear. So Hope's friends eternal,
• 59:06
  Speaker 12: and this is what we need. It's clean, reliable, resilient
• 59:12
  Speaker 12: energy for the country. Obviously I support coal, I support
• 59:16
  Speaker 12: natural gas.
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: We need both.
• 59:19
  Speaker 12: I don't want to exclude in any form, but new
• 59:22
  Speaker 12: nuclear is the way to go existing nuclear. We're bringing
• 59:26
  Speaker 12: back old nuclear power plants in this country that were shuttered,
• 59:29
  Speaker 12: even in states with blue governors.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: Michigan's going to do it.
• 59:33
  Speaker 12: Hopefully someday we'll do it in New York and Connecticut,
• 59:36
  Speaker 12: but we're doing it in Pennsylvania. So all across the
• 59:40
  Speaker 12: board we are Bush in America on nuclear power.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: We got thirty seconds, Congress, But I want to make
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: sure I get this question in. People are worried about
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: AI and data centers because they suck up power and water.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: There's places where there's lots of water. But if they
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: get a modular reactor, doesn't that fuel the AI plant?
• 59:59
  Speaker 12: Absolutely and thank you for President Trump in his executive
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 12: order saying that these folks who are going to put
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 12: AI centers are going to have to pay for their
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 12: own power. That will allay the fear of any of
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 12: the consumers thinking that their bill is going to go up.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 12: But absolutely right, these can actually power that the demands
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: are going to be very high on energy. Let who
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 12: want to protect the rate payer, and President Trump has
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 12: done that time and again.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Check Fleischman and Congressman extraordinaire from the third District of Tennessee.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me. We'll check in again in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a quarter and see how we're doing on the effort
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: to get it all advanced to actuality. Thank you to Congressman.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. Charles CW. Cooking next,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm ju hu At Charles CW.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Cook Senior writer for a National Review. He is also
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: the host of the Charles C. W. Cook podcast and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: listen to the editors this week. Charles, you seen reserved
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: as the early versions of the MoU were being released
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: to check in with you now. I'm neither happy nor Chad.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's a punt and it will be followed
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: by another punt. It's going to be like Ohio State
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: football in the nineties. They're going to punt, punt, punt
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: until repast the elections. But that's just me. A lot
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: of people are very upset. What do you think.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 13: Well, I think Trump wants to get out, and I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 13: think that he is using any means.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: At his disposal to do so. I half agree with you.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: I don't think it's a disaster because my basic take
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: on this is that if you were to have said
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 13: to me two years ago we would get the Obama deal,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: even plus the destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities at least
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 13: for now, as we did with Midnight Hammer, I'd have
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 13: said that was an improvement over the status quo. So
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 13: I think we have improved the status quo.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: But I don't like this.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 13: Deal, and I think having made the announcements he did
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 13: at the beginning of this he's clearly backed off his
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 13: original goals. Maybe he's punting. Maybe he won't ever think
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: about it again. It's quite difficult to tell with his
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 13: president now.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I would like your political take on Secretary of State
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio. I posted a meme a little bit earlier,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Marco the coal miner with a canary, because I don't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: think he'll stick around for a bad deal. He's very
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: invested in understanding the regime is the evil regime it
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: is in Iran. If the final deal even began to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: seem like a sellout or a buyof of Iran, do
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: you think he'd stick.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 13: I think he will stick around because I think he
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: thinks he can do more good inside the tent than
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: outside of it. I think he still thinks that there
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: might be some action to take on Cuba. I think
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 13: he may want to be president one day, whether it's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: this next election or not. I'd be surprised if he
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 13: bailed over this.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: What about the impact on Vice president vance viability as
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty eight candidate.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 13: Well, my base view on varn says that he's tied
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 13: to Trump because he's the vice president, and so, I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 13: mean Trump's joke was not really a joke when he said,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 13: of it doesn't work out, he'll blame it on Varance.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: Perhaps he will.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: But Vance's fortunes are tied to Trump's in the way
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 13: that every vice presidents are tied to the president. I'm
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: not sure that voters are going to be looking at
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 13: this and say, well, that was the Vance bit of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 13: the Trump presidency. I think they're going to evaluate the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 13: Trump presidency overall and then make their decisions about Varnes.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: All right now, I want to go back to my
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: original premise that five months from now, after the election,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: there will be an occasion to begin hostilities again. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: think that's going to happen. But I hear you saying
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: you don't think that's going to happen.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: Well, I know.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 13: I'm just not sure what's going to happen. I don't
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 13: think that it's always possible to apply this sort of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 13: rational analysis of President Trump. But it's not because he's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 13: always irrational, but he is capricious. I don't know if
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 13: he will hit the post midterm period and they never
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 13: want anything to do with Iran ever again and ignore
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 13: it until the.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: End of his presidency.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: If the case you're making is that we will have
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 13: to go back and deal with this at some point
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: in the future, and soon.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: I think that's plausible. But with Trump, you just never know.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 13: He's been a consistent Iran hawk for a long time.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: But whether he's going to want to burn more capital
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 13: on this or he'll come to believe that he was misled,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 13: I just can't tell you.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I also believe and check me on this. The
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: President responds to reaction in the way that you know,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: if you touch an electric fence, you're not going to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: do it twice. So you burn your hand on iron,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you're not going to do it twice. I think he
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: is seeing the blowback among at least half of the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: center right, maybe more, maybe seventy five percent of the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: center right. And we'll take that and reflect on it.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Have you seen him operate that way, because I've watched
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: him do that for ten years now.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 13: Sure, he's certainly tuned to what the center right said,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 13: although there are a lot of people who are close
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: to him who don't like the fact that we went
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 13: into ran So I suppose it depends who's speaking to him.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: He'd be freed up after the midterms. I'll give you that.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 13: He's also not somebody who, for better or for worse,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 13: is completely invested in the fortunes of the Republican Party,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 13: at least the Republican Party that doesn't contain him. So
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 13: if he did think after the midterms it was necessary
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 13: to go back in, I'm not sure that he would
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: look ahead to twenty twenty eight and declined to do
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 13: so on behalf of other people.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either, only for his own domestic purposes.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Having an achievement room in the Trump Library that says,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: not only did he that hammer epic theory, but it
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: led to the crashing and burning of the regime. And
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I have not given up on that because the extent
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of the damage done to that country over forty days
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: was enormous. And they're going to get a billion dollars
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: a day for sixty days. That's not nearly enough Charles
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: to rebuild the country, is it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: I mean there is a counter argument which says that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 13: the mistake here was taking some of the regime out
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 13: because it made this fight existential, and therefore they were
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: more likely to close the strait of horror moves rather
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 13: than let it happen to them and by doing that,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: they made it much more difficult for the US to continue,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 13: which of course was good for them and bad for us.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: That's the counterfactual. It's hard to prove. I don't know
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 13: how weak the regime now is internally, but it certainly
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: seems strong enough to have taken us to this point,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 13: and a lot of people who were very enthusiastic about
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: our going in are now very upset. So Iran has
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 13: to have done something right.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, well, they survived, and a lot of people hope
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that they wouldn't survive. I'm not sure I ever expected
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: the regime to fall yet, although I do expect it
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: to fall in a decent interval of time, because the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Iranian people hated it to begin with, and now they're
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: not making any money and they've got no gasoline and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: the water supply of Tehran is awful. Do you think
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: not my lifetime? Do you think you'll visit Iran in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: your lifetime Charles.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: As a tourist? You mean I'd love to. I certainly hope.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 13: So the problem is, Hugh is, I've just so many
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 13: times that's with Cuba, allowed myself to believe that this
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 13: time it was going to be different.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: And it never has been.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 13: But that said, I can remember being six years old
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 13: and in France listening to long wave radio in the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 13: car with my parents.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: When the Berlin Wall fell.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 13: I didn't really know what was happening because I was six,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 13: but I remember very much my dad saying, I never
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 13: thought this would happen in my lifetime, so I'll never
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 13: say never.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I am as old as your father, and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: that's what I keep harkening back to. We had no
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: idea how rotten the underpinning of the Soviet Union was
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: until it began to crash through the floors like a
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Looney tune, a piano cartoon, and it would go down, down, down,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: beginning in Poland, down down, down, down down. Last question,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: even as we paused, none of this has gone to Congress.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: You're a stickler for separation of powers. Should the MLU
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: be sub into Congress?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: Wasn't interesting questions?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 13: The war wasn't, so you'd sort of have to take
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 13: the position that the president wasn't allowed to get us
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 13: into it on his own, but has to go to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 13: Congress to.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: Get us out of it. Is it a treaty?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 13: I think it depends on what it says, if it
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 13: binds the United States in ways that are outside of
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 13: this conflict, then I think yes. If it's a document
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 13: that largely ends the unilateral action that Trump took, then
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 13: I think probably no.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the statute that applies is the statute that was
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: passed concurrent with the JCPOA, which was a way for
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: the Senate to pretend to look at it when it
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't a treaty. It had no binding effect. They just didn't.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I think that is what Lindy Graham's is starting still applies.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: So if that statutes there and it still applies, do
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: you think Trump should submit it pursuit to that statute.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: I do, and I think it's good political hygiene.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 13: But I will just say that I watched in horror
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 13: during the Obarmaed minuister as a VAMA found lots of
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 13: clever ways to get around congressional authorization and treaties. So
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 13: for those people to now complain about this seems childish
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 13: in the extreme.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Charles C. W. Cook. Don't
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: go anywhere America except over to his podcast by his name,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: but go listen to the Editors, which he's on every
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Tuesday with Rich lowry moderating. I'll be right back to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned, my friends. You've probably seen the headlines are
• 1:09:23
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh hewittt with just enough
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  Speaker 1: time to ask Charles C. W. Cook, who actually, for
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: a non lawyer, takes the law very seriously. And there
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: is another gun Towright's decision today, Charles, and it is
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  Speaker 1: generally viewed as favorable to the people who believe in
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: the Second Amendment quite strongly and want to be left
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  Speaker 1: alone in their guns. Have you had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: read it yet?
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  Speaker 13: I have I read it this morning.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I've been arguing this for years, so I felt
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  Speaker 13: somewhat vindicated, especially given that it was nine to nothing.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 13: The application of brewing, I think is correct. There are
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 13: no historical examples of American citizens being consistently deprived of
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 13: the right to keep in bare arms based on their
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 13: use of certain substances or their intoxication.
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  Speaker 7: There are lots of historical.
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  Speaker 13: Examples of laws that take guns away from people while
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 13: they are, say drunk or under the influence.
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  Speaker 7: That's not at hand.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 13: But a law that says if you are sometimes using
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 13: unlawful substances or an addict, or you're intoxicated, then you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 13: can't ever have a gun, I think is under brewin
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 13: presumptively unconstitutional, so I applaud it. I also liked Clarence
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 13: Thomas's concurrence in which he says the federal government doesn't
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 13: have the power to pass laws of this sort anyway
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 13: because the commerce clause doesn't give it. I agree with that.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 13: He's probably going to stay on his own unfortunately in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 13: that view, right.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's a unique view. So which brings me
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: to the court as we approached the last twelve days
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: of their alert towards the summer break, they've got a
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: half dozen major decisions coming down, including birthright citizenship, which
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I think will be a nine to zero declaring that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: we present can't abolish birthright citizenship by executive order. But
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: putting all those decisions aside, do you expect retirements because
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: I do, maybe one, perhaps even two.
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  Speaker 13: My view has been that I think it's unlikely that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 13: Justice Thomas will retire. I think he's close to being
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 13: the longest serving justice in American history. It was a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 13: fairly grueling process that got him onto the court. But
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 13: I could see Justice Alito retire. I'm not saying well,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 13: but I could absolutely see him retiring here.
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  Speaker 1: If they take account of the political environment in which
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: they are swimming and they care about the Constitution, does
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: it encourage them to leave?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think this is a really great court. It's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 13: intellectual caliber is higher than we've had for a century.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 13: It is, for one, supplying both statute and constitutional provision
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 13: faithfully on a consistent basis, and that has to have
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: been the dream of Justices Alito and Thomas. And they
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 13: should presumably want similar appointment to replace them, So they
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 13: should take that into account. And it's totally legitimate for
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 13: them to take it into account. I hear people suggest
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 13: otherwise it's not legitimate for justices to take into account
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 13: their personal political preferences when making decisions, but it's entirely
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 13: reasonable for them to say that they want somebody who
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 13: has their constitutional jurisprudential outlook to replace them.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: That's natural and part of their lived experiences. Justice Ginsberg
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: staying just a bit too long as a result of
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: the court going to Sixth Street. You're right about it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: being the most intellectually robust nine justices that we've had
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: in my lifetime, and I've been teaching Kanlin for thirty years.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I am curious though, if that happens. Do you think
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: the fight over a justice will obscure the fight over
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the MoU during the summer.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 13: Yes, I think it's all we'll hear about until it's finished.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 13: I think that the left at the moment is so
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 13: upset about the Supreme Court that even supposed moderates have
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 13: started talking about court packing, which would be a constitutional crisis,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 13: And the chance of them accepting the replacement of a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 13: justice in his seventies with a justice in his forties
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 13: or fifties without a fight, without much complaining is slim.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 13: So I would expect Iron to disappear completely from the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 13: headlines if that happens.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know of my greatest student
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: as a lost professor. His name is Tim Sandeffer from
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: the Goldwater Institute. Do you read Tim? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: So Tim, he's much smarter than I am. He would
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: correct me from the back row like every day, and
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: so that he's really ahead of the game. Tim disagrees
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: with me. I think court packing violates due process. Randy
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Burnett thinks it violates the Necessary and Proper Clause, and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Robbie George thinks it's a catastrophe, but he didn't articulate
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: the reasons. Why do you think it's constitutional to expand
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the court to fourteen given that the Fourteenth Amendment passed
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty eight and the Court settled on nine
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty nine.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't see a textual prohibition. I do think
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 13: that it would lead essentially to the abolition of the
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 13: Supreme Court as an institution within our system, and with it,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 13: the Constitution would become a lot less potent, which should
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 13: be a disaster. I mean, you only have to go
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 13: back to the nineteen thirties and read the full throated
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 13: condemnations of FDR's plan from his own party, which had
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 13: a super supermajority at the time in both the House
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 13: and Senate.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: They said it was the greatest attack possible. But I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: think it's probably legal. A lot of things legal.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: We shouldn't do, though.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: But I want you to. I asked him to do
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the same thing News on it, because if you're going
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: to destroy the rule of law, isn't that actually very
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: nature unconstitutional? Like Lincoln said, what's the point of having
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: a constitution if you don't defend it? To and Charles CW.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Cook always good to see you. Follow Charles on text
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: to Charles C. W. Cook and listened to him on
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: the Editor and his own podcast to Charles C. W.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Cook Podcasts. I'll be right back in America at the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: State Trip Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hughett. I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: have not been taken hostage. I am actually inviting Larry
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: O'Connor from O'Connor and Company onto the program with me.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: There he is in my old.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: Studio, me out of my old studio.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: He took my old time slot. Now he's taken over
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: my cruise busin in this and he's going on a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Golf of America cruise with my old friend Kirt Schleekter,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: with my fellow TV personality Scott Jennings. Who else is
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: going along except me. I'm like the lone.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: Survivor on the Gallagher You're welcome to come. Just go
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: to go to Larrycruse dot com. You can book a cabin, Hugh,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: Larrycruse dot com can come out Larrycruse dot com. Don't
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: go to Larry Cruse's dot com. That's a very different
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: website and your HR department will not be happy, Larry, Larry.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I'm very glad you've assumed this job. I really am. However,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: I want to prepare you for a few things. You're
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: not allowed to go to your room. You have to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: stay on the top deck between eight and eight pm.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Do you understand that.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, that's going to be a problem with missus O'Connor.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: I promise, promises have been made.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to put up a little booth like
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the Lucy Booth and Charlie Brown that says doctors in.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: I am more than happy and we'll be self medicating.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: Here's the thing, it's the week after the midterms, Hu,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: so we will be celebrating the miraculous, against all odds,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: Republican retention of majority, which I do think they have
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: a very good chance of doing. We'll be celebrating that,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: or we'll be drowning our sorrows with the thoughts of
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: Hakeem Jeffreys holding that gabble. Either way, it'll be a
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: reason to self medicate. I'm the leado deck and I'll
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: be right there in.
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  Speaker 1: Sarrycruz dot com. Do you realize you're going out and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: the risky is week of the year. I learned in
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: two thousand not to go on vacation after the election
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: because the election might not be over, and that wasn't
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: over till this.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, I know, tell me about it. Although
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 8: the critical races at least for the Senate are in place, well, Maine,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: Maine might be a problem about it. They take a
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: while to Maine will still be counting, they'll still be
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: looking for ballots. So that's all right, that'll be fine. Hey, listen,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 8: we've got an event planned every single night. We're going
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 8: to be doing q and as and speeches and interactions
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: with all of our posse because we're going to have
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: like a third of the ships, so we don't have
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 8: to look over our shoulder. It's some crazy leftists from
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: Antifa about to attack us because we express our love
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 8: for our country. And if we get the results on
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: Maine and Susan Collins triumphant victory over Nazi tattoo guy.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 8: Then we'll celebrate that together on the ship as well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be Glaryslarrycruise dot com going.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: Well, it is the Gulf of America Cruise, but technically
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: it's only you know, touching base in the Gulf of America.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: Most of it's going to be in the Caribbean. Sea
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: ports of call include the Bahamas, and my favorite one
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: is Grand Cayman. Cayman Islands are gorgeous and they have
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: a sea turtle hatchery there. I'm not kidding. Meredith and
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 8: I on our honeymoon we did a very similar cruise
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 8: and we went to that sea turtle hatcher again. It's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: one of our break memories. I think that might be
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 8: frowned upon. But if I can bring back Cuban cigars,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: I will bring back a sea turtle.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: So that's that's very illegal. You have a pipe in
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: your office, do you not?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: I was not going to bring it out. I was
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: doing that during the break.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: I saw you on Mark Halprin. I don't know what
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: you're doing on that show, but I saw you looking professorial,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, what has happened to Larry
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you've got completely Beltway.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm way how dare you, sir? I live way
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: outside the Beltway. I know what you're saying. You literally
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: live in the Beltway. When you're in d C.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Dary, you went inside the Beltway, You've been absorbed your body.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 8: You I live up by Annapolis with real people and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 8: the Naval Academy Midshipman that I sponsor in my home,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: and I am nowhere near the Beltway. Our studio is
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 8: in the Beltway, though, no. I I like to you know,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: all the kids these days, the gen z ors, they
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: get their nicotine hit with their little pouches, you know,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: like Dwayne. I'm sure Dwayne has the nicotine pounch? Is
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: he really? That's terrible. You'd think with all he's been through,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: he wouldn't do that. I like the pipe, and I do.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: I think it brings a touch of class to the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: morning meeting with Mark Halprin. I've got to be the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: sage Republican conservative voice, you know, the smart, intellectual voice.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: And the pipe helps with the problem, you know. Man,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: I'm a theater guy. I like my props.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm the Larry Cruse. I hope all I have
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: one programming suggestion is that you at trivia night with
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you and Gallagher and its Broadway is the category you
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: versus Gallagher. I would really like to see who could win.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: That that would be fun. He knows a lot of
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: the old shows. Because, let's face it, Mike's a great guy,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 8: but he's as in our business.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: He's in his old or not.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 8: He's an institution. Oh by a decade.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: There's a decade. There's actually a statue to him in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the museum Hall of Fame.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 8: Here's the thing, Bertie Bernie Sanders looks at Mike Gallagher
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 8: and thinks, Wow, that guy is old. That is a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 8: whole guy. I don't know if he's willing to do it.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would do that tribute thing. When does
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: it leave?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: I don't think we'll do trivia, but you know what,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 8: I think we are going to do. Our friend Jennifer
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 8: Horn from KRLA in at eight seventy am. She's going
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 8: to drag us into a karaoke night and we're probably
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 8: going to be singing some show tunes. I'm Carrie, I'm.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Glad, I'm yacht on that cruise. Actually, let's not drive
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: people away from the Larry Cruise. Let's get people to
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: go on the Larry Cruise. When when does.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: How people like to rubber neck on the freeway. That's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: what it's going to be like. That's gonna where do people.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. Where's that port of disembarkation?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 8: Fort Lauderdale, Beautiful Fort Lauderdale will be going down a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: couple of days early.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Kurt.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: I love how you say. He's my old friend. Kirkchlichter
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: was my pal way before. I think I introduced Kurt
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: to you.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Don't start with me now. I introduced you to Andrew
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: and kirsch Linchter before.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 8: I do not think that's accurate. Kurt and Arena and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: Meredith and I are going to be down to for
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: Lauderdale a couple of days early and enjoy what a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: great town for Lauderdale is. That's when we disembark there.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: We go to the Bahamas, we go to uh, Jamaica. Mon,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: we got a little Jamaica going on. We're going to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: go to Grand Cayman, Oh, Coozamel, Mexico. We got a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: couple of days at sea, and it's going to be fantastic.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: I am a loan survivor of the Sale News Channel
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: and the Sale radio network on this cruise. If anything
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: happens to the ship, I'll be doing fifteen hours of
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: programming a day. So I want you to stay safe,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: all right. If anyone comes up to you in Mexico
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: and says signor would you like to see the interior, No, Larry,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: don't go.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: We'll pop be doing that.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 10: Trust me.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 8: No, that's that's not going to happen. But thank you
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: for that advice, Kurt.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Well, but Beta, I did that. We went ziplining and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: about an hour and a half away from the coast,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: and we were thinking to ourself, boy do we ever
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: get back on this thing? But we did. It was fine,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: So you'll have fun. Hey, very quickly, what do you
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: make of them? Ou hero? Are you losing your mind
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: about the MLU I'm not.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 8: No, I don't quite understand. Listen. I'm very skeptical of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 8: the people who are screaming you're giving three hundred, but
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: we're not giving a damn penny to it. And as
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: you rightly pointed out, this isn't they should call this
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 8: what it is. This is an agreement to open the strait.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: That's what this is. We have they opened the strait.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: We are going to exponentially knock down our blockade of
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 8: reports while the Strait is open, and now we can
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 8: get to business while the economy gets back on its feet.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: That's what this is.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: And then after the election, we'll see, we'll see maybe
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the bomb set to drop again. We'll see Larry O'Connor
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: from O'Connor and Company. The Larrycruise dot Com is where
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: you go to find out about the star studding Gala crew.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I would call it that a Gala cruse. Thank you, Larry.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned America me right now.