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Curses! · Boozy Banter with Friends

• 0:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello.
• 0:01
  Diane Black: Hello.
• 0:01
  Trisha Smith: Hello.
• 0:06
  Diane Black: Namaste.
• 0:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Na-mas-te, how is your day?
• 0:09
  Diane Black: Very well.
• 0:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well.
• 0:14
  Diane Black: It is very well.
• 0:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: Very well.
• 0:17
  Diane Black: How is yours?
• 0:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Adequate.
• 0:21
  Trisha Smith: Well as well.
• 0:23
  Diane Black: All is well.
• 0:25
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 0:26
  Diane Black: Well as well.
• 0:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: I be good.
• 0:31
  Diane Black: I like that too.
• 0:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: You almost didn't have anything to say. You're like what?
• 0:38
  Diane Black: You caught me off guard.
• 0:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: You're like what, Leyla.
• 0:41
  Diane Black: I know, I be good.
• 0:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: I be good.
• 0:44
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 0:45
  Trisha Smith: How's everyone's cocktails?
• 0:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, you know what we're doing again?
• 0:50
  Trisha Smith: Yes. What?
• 0:51
  Leyla Zmeskal: Day drinking.
• 0:53
  Trisha Smith: Day drinking.
• 0:55
  Diane Black: Seems to be, our pretty much favorite pastime.
• 0:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: Especially the summer.
• 1:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think we really found our groove,
• 1:01
  Trisha Smith: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03
  Diane Black: Right.
• 1:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: For summer cocktails.
• 1:05
  Diane Black: I think so.
• 1:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: And day drinking.
• 1:07
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, it's summertime. It's you know, vacation-y.
• 1:11
  Diane Black: It is.
• 1:12
  Trisha Smith: I feel, Yeah.
• 1:13
  Diane Black: I think it might switch up come in the fall. But yeah, you know, right now, it's like, day drinkin summer cocktails just are no brainer.
• 1:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. I agree, getting together telling each other, each other a story and having a good time with it. So what do you drinkin Diane?
• 1:33
  Diane Black: I am drinking, It's called death in the afternoon.
• 1:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh,
• 1:40
  Diane Black: Yes. I know what I I believe it also has a second name, which is called the Hemingway.
• 1:46
  Trisha Smith: Is it?
• 1:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Was it really?
• 1:48
  Diane Black: Wasn't that? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was also called the Hemingway.
• 1:51
  Trisha Smith: I think so, wasn't Hemingway a big,
• 1:55
  Diane Black: He's an author.
• 1:57
  Trisha Smith: No. I mean was,
• 2:01
  Diane Black: Ernest Hemingway would be,
• 2:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: The key west guy.
• 2:05
  Trisha Smith: Wasn't he a big absinthe drinker?
• 2:08
  Diane Black: He was, he was.
• 2:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: So yes, we did this in season 1.
• 2:14
  Diane Black: We did. So this is kind of like an ode to,
• 2:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: Season one.
• 2:18
  Diane Black: Season One.
• 2:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: Or being able to reuse alcohols that we have stored.
• 2:23
  Diane Black: That we like, that we like.
• 2:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: That we like.
• 2:27
  Diane Black: Yeah, that season one was my first introduction to Absinthe, and I didn't realize that the effects happened later.
• 2:39
  Diane Black: And so as I was drinking, I'm thinking I'm not feeling nothing. And Don, Trisha's husband came up to me and he was like, so how many, how many of those Absinthe drinks have you had? And I'm like, Oh, no, this is two or three. And he's like, you do know that it hits you later.
• 2:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, my Godness. I don't remember that.
• 3:01
  Diane Black: No, I don't because I've never drink Absinthe, he was like um-hum, and you know what?
• 3:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: He was right.
• 3:08
  Diane Black: He was 100% right! It hit later, hard.
• 3:13
  Trisha Smith: So FYI, the Hemingway has zero Absinthe in it.
• 3:20
  Diane Black: Oh, what is the Hemingway?
• 3:23
  Trisha Smith: The Hemingway is according to the Google's it's an Florida Daiquiri. It's a Florida type Daiquiri. It has rum. It has lime juice. It has grapefruit juice, but it has no absincthe. But one of Hemingway's 10 favorite cocktails was the absincthe frappe.
• 3:47
  Diane Black: Okay,
• 3:48
  Trisha Smith: So.
• 3:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 3:50
  Diane Black: Well, somewhere in season one, I remember researching drinks.
• 3:55
  Trisha Smith: You had the Hemingway?
• 3:57
  Diane Black: Yes, that it went by the name of the Hemingway. So for today, though, we're gonna call it, Death In The Afternoon.
• 4:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Nice.
• 4:05
  Trisha Smith: That sounds great.
• 4:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: I like it.
• 4:07
  Diane Black: I like it too, I really do. I like it a lot.
• 4:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: What about you?
• 4:15
  Trisha Smith: Oh, well, I am today I'm having, The Illusion.
• 4:21
  Diane Black: One of our favorites,
• 4:22
  Trisha Smith: Right. Could be water. Could be vodka.
• 4:27
  Diane Black: Right.
• 4:28
  Trisha Smith: I'm not saying.
• 4:29
  Diane Black: It's clear.
• 4:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: Pinot Grigio in a sippy cup.
• 4:32
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 4:32
  Diane Black: Right.
• 4:33
  Trisha Smith: It's clear. It's got ice.
• 4:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: You never know.
• 4:36
  Trisha Smith: You never know.
• 4:38
  Diane Black: It's refreshing.
• 4:38
  Diane Black: It's summary.
• 4:39
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 4:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: I like it.
• 4:42
  Trisha Smith: That is my cocktail of the day, I'm not elaborating anymore.
• 4:46
  Diane Black: Keep us hanging.
• 4:48
  Trisha Smith: You'll know later.
• 4:49
  Diane Black: Right, what about you, Leyla?
• 4:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, I am drinking the Summer Solstice.
• 5:01
  Trisha Smith: Sounds so fancy.
• 5:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: It does sound fancy. It is a combination of the Bai Coconut water.
• 5:08
  Trisha Smith: Always good,
• 5:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Always delicious mixed with the City Gate Passion Fruit Sour Mix, and of course, the Pineapple Vodka or the Pineapple Rum by City Gate and the Coconut Rum by City Gate. So all of those things combined together is the Summer Solstice, and it is light, refreshing, delicious.
• 5:35
  Trisha Smith: Righ. It sounds like a lot of ingredients, but then they go together so well.
• 5:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: They pair very well together and it does not taste like you're drinking a cocktail.
• 5:46
  Trisha Smith: It honestly tastes like the Bai coconut water.
• 5:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 5:49
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 5:50
  Trisha Smith: By itself.
• 5:51
  Diane Black: It's a mouthful a summer.
• 5:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, it's summer in your mouth.
• 5:55
  Diane Black: It is.
• 5:56
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 5:56
  Diane Black: It really is.
• 5:56
  Diane Black: Right.
• 5:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's good. It's really good. It could be dangerous, though.
• 6:01
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 6:01
  Diane Black: Oh, yeah. poolside with a few of those. I can see where,
• 6:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: You are passing out later.
• 6:08
  Diane Black: Right.
• 6:08
  Trisha Smith: Wear your sunscreen?
• 6:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 6:10
  Diane Black: Oh, yeah.
• 6:11
  Trisha Smith: I mean, that's kind of been the bar we set this summer, if it doesn't feel like summer in your mouth.
• 6:17
  Diane Black: Right,
• 6:18
  Trisha Smith: Spit it out.
• 6:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: That is a very true statement, that's how it's been going this summer for us.
• 6:28
  Diane Black: As it should be.
• 6:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. Why not?
• 6:31
  Diane Black: Because you know, like summer solstice, to me, I just was like teasing my husband the other night because we actually had literally the summer solstice. And for me, it's the beginning of the end. I hate the summer solstice, not the drink, but the summer solstice, because that means our days are gonna slowly start shortening. And then winter's coming. And I just love summer, and the heat so much. So I call it's the beginning of the end.
• 7:04
  Trisha Smith: I'm so excited for it.
• 7:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: I like Fall where you have those blend of days where it's not like 95 degrees with the humidity of 80%. And the feel like temperature is 104 in the shade. I like days where it's like nice and 85 you can go the beach and still be comfortable at the beach. And not miserable. But then the next day it could be 75. And as a nice still beautifully pleasant gorgeous day.
• 7:42
  Diane Black: Yeah, those blue sky days, not a cloudy sky.
• 7:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:47
  Trisha Smith: 70 degrees in Florida.
• 7:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's cool weather.
• 7:50
  Diane Black: I know. Right.
• 7:51
  Trisha Smith: Break out your boots.
• 7:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, so 75 is still like, Oh, it's gorgeous outside.
• 7:56
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 7:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: We go from tank tops to T shirts.
• 8:01
  Diane Black: Yes. That's very true. I know. But your drink does look very refreshing.
• 8:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's pretty good.
• 8:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: I like it a lot. Yeah,
• 8:09
  Diane Black: Yeah. Can't go wrong with City Gates.
• 8:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: Or day drinking.
• 8:13
  Diane Black: Or day drinking.
• 8:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: So where are we going to do today, Ladies?
• 8:18
  Diane Black: Well, I have a story, and I have a homegrown story. Yes, I was, I left outside of the state of Florida a few times, but now I'm back.
• 8:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: Welcome.
• 8:35
  Diane Black: Thank you.
• 8:36
  Trisha Smith: Not just a Florida story, not just a homegrown story, but a local story.
• 8:42
  Diane Black: Local story.
• 8:42
  Diane Black: Sanford, Florida.
• 8:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm excited.
• 8:49
  Diane Black: Which is literally, I don't know if it's 15-20 minutes from where we're at Central Florida. So this story is about the old firehouse.
• 8:59
  Diane Black: Yeah, so downtown Sanford, which is really a, it's a historic downtown. And they have quite a history and they've begun to, you know, really take their old structures and make them into public facilities. So I'm going to focus on the, Old Firehouse, and recently, recently, I mean like 1992, Okay. For us, that' recent. Right,
• 9:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 9:39
  Diane Black: But a woman named Barbara Farrell,
• 9:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 9:43
  Diane Black: Purchased the old firehouse and she jokes about having the biggest garage in Sanford. And if you're familiar with Sanford, it is located on Palmetto Avenue. So Barbara, herself, she was a realtor and she's also an artist. Originally from Coconut Grove, Florida. She came to Sanford in 1992. And some of you may remember 1992, Central Florida had three hurricanes. I think it was three or four hurricanes right in a row back to back. So she came right after Hurricane Andrew, and she stumbled upon the old firehouse. And when she did, she, this is her, quoting her.
• 10:34
  Diane Black: She felt a strange connection with the town.
• 10:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay.
• 10:41
  Diane Black: And when she found out that the city's old fire station was for sale, she took interest and began to look into it. She learned that it had not been used since 1974, upon it's closing.
• 10:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, wow. So it sat empty?
• 11:00
  Diane Black: Sat empty.
• 11:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 11:02
  Diane Black: Yeah, and neglected. It needed considerable restoration, if it was going to be transformed into a residence. So it would indeed be an expensive, extensive project. But this did not matter to her. She fell in love with the building, she felt physically connected, and in her words, I quote, it just felt right. So she bought the old station, she began renovating it, she was very careful to preserve the historical quality of the 19th century building, while making, incorporating her own ideas, as an interior designer, as a realtor to make the place livable. And when the job was finished, Barbara had turned the second story of the firehouse into a beautiful Air nb.
• 12:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh,
• 12:03
  Diane Black: I didn't know that.
• 12:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: I didn't either.
• 12:05
  Trisha Smith: I didn't either.
• 12:06
  Diane Black: Right. So um, this beautiful light and airy resident that has owned. It's received awards for the restoration that she did. And it's been actually included in many publications for like interior design and homes and refurbishing. So upstairs was where the firemen on duty slept and the two brass poles the firemen once slid down to the engines are gone. Although you can still see where they were.
• 12:45
  Diane Black: And Barbara as an art, she was also an artist. She is so well known that has been collected by the Lowe Art Museum, Belgium's Ghent Museum, City Bank and the Trump Organization has purchased some of her artworks, so she has decorated the original brick wall of the old fire station with several pieces of her original artwork. The flooring is original, she was able to keep that stripped down and keep the original wood. So are the stairs going to the second floor and each step worn in the center as a testimony to the century of footsteps from the fire firefighters who worked there.
• 13:31
  Diane Black: Barbara had hardly settled into her new residence when she discovered that she had a house guest, maybe even two house guests.
• 13:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Mm hmm.
• 13:48
  Diane Black: Or should that be house ghosts? Yeah, so happened while she was relaxing one evening with a book in her big brass bed. One night she noticed that little pebbles were being dropped from overhead, and it was not from the ceiling, and there seemed to be no source or cause of these little pebbles, like being thrown in from an open window there was nothing like that. They would simply drop out of thin air, making a pinging sound when hitting the brass bed stand. It was as if someone was playing a prank then there were creaking sounds of footsteps. Not on the stairs, but overhead.
• 14:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Was there,
• 14:40
  Trisha Smith: A third floor?
• 14:44
  Diane Black: Yeah, it wasn't.
• 14:44
  Diane Black: It's not a complete living area third floor but the third floor is like an outlook. So it had stairs that went up to the third floor that you could stand on and overlook or see the whole city scape. So, so yeah, but not enclosed.
• 15:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, okay.
• 15:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. Okay.
• 15:05
  Trisha Smith: And tell me again when the fire station was built.
• 15:08
  Diane Black: It was built in the early 19th century, 1880s ish.
• 15:14
  Diane Black: Let me continue.
• 15:15
  Diane Black: And I may be able to answer that question. Barbara
• 15:15
  Trisha Smith: Okay, found out through research her firehouse had three stories Huh.
• 15:23
  Trisha Smith: until 1928 when the city remodeled the structure and removed the third storey. So it did have three enclosures, three stories and closures, but in 1928, then they removed that third storey, but it was still accessible through stairs and you could walk upon the roof.
• 15:42
  Trisha Smith: Although she had never seen an Oh wow.
• 15:46
  Trisha Smith: apparition in the old firehouse, other than things that can be dismissed as reflections. She does sense she that someone is living with her. She often feels a presence and she thinks it is someone from the past and thinks it could be a fireman. She is not alone in her feelings.
• 16:05
  Trisha Smith: several former firemen have recalled a few uncanny experiences in the old station.
• 16:15
  Trisha Smith: Two former firemen recounted how their experiences, they stated how chairs placed in front of the fireplace that night. In the morning, they would wake up and later they would have been moved around to different locations.
• 16:30
  Trisha Smith: One fireman recalled hearing the rattling sound of a chain, he described as a dog with a chain.
• 16:42
  Trisha Smith: One night while the crew was out on a call another fireman, who remained behind at the station remembers how the doors started opening and closing on their own. Not knowing what caused it he went out front and sat in the chair by the street to wait for their crew to return. This particular firehouse, it is a
• 17:05
  Diane Black: That's a lot, right.
• 17:08
  Diane Black: stucco and brick structure. To answer your question, Trisha, it was built in 1887, I said 1880.
• 17:13
  Diane Black: Yeah, it was 1887 to be exact, after a great fire had destroyed the entire east side of Sanford.
• 17:25
  Diane Black: So for many years, it served a combination of functions as an armory, a city hall, a firehouse, a jail, and the top floor, that is the third floor that was removed, was served as a courtroom.
• 17:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Diane Black: So perhaps they say those squeaky footsteps that Barbara heard, were coming from the past when court was held on the third floor. So the very first prospect for a ghost may be a man who was hanged behind in the firehouse when it was part of the city jail. The man was named Percy Bayliss, he was 24 year old black man, he was accused of gunning down a 22 year old deputy sheriff named Cleveland Jacobs. And this hanging took place at 10 minutes, after 10 o'clock in the morning of March 30, 1923. The newspaper reported that all adjoining fences of the of the rooftop had their quota of people, which blows my mind, anxiously awaiting to observe the hanging. I know it was a thing back then, but,
• 18:53
  Trisha Smith: Still disturbing.
• 18:54
  Diane Black: it's still disturbing. It was the first and only legal hanging in the county. In June of that year, the state abolished hangings and switched to electrocution as the preferred form of execution.
• 19:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: Old Sparky.
• 19:13
  Diane Black: Old Sparky, right.
• 19:13
  Diane Black: So the question is does the ghosts of pair of Percy Bayliss still roam the old building?
• 19:23
  Diane Black: Barbara the original owner, the purchaser of the firehouse thinks that it could be possible. The jail yard where Bayliss was hanged was later made part of the fire station, when the garage was enlarged to accommodate additional and longer fire fire trucks.
• 19:39
  Diane Black: However, there are a number of firemen deaths connected to the history of the firehouse. The first reported fireman death was August 16 of 1888, and this was a young man his name was Harry Ashton, he fell through an elevator shaft while fighting a downtown fire. So they think that the firehouse was cursed, and so tying in these deaths they think are a result of the curse. In 1957, a rookie fireman was accidentally killed when he was...Oh, backed over by a fire truck, while hooking a hose by a hydrant.
• 20:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, backed over by a fire truck.
• 20:34
  Diane Black: Did the firemen not, do they not like, say all clear? Or, you know the beep, beep, beep when you're backing up?
• 20:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't think they had that on the fire trucks back then.
• 20:47
  Diane Black: They didn't have the reverse beep, beep, beep, but do they not say you know, like all clear? So the rookie
• 20:52
  Trisha Smith: Or he was a rookie and he didn't know he was fireman was actually killed when he was backed over by, accidentally killed because nobody, they failed to, to sa all clear in my opinion.
• 21:07
  Trisha Smith: supposed to say all clear.
• 21:08
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 21:09
  Trisha Smith: That could be it too.
• 21:10
  Diane Black: That could be it, that's certain. There's also another reporting in 1979, a fireman lost his life while fighting a major blaze, it was when a wall fell on him. And then in Well, this is prior to that. In 1968, a fire department Lieutenant was killed in a head on car wreck. And in 1969, the body of a fireman who had been mysteriously missing for seven months was found stuffed in a closet in his house. He's been missing seven months.
• 21:49
  Trisha Smith: And nobody looked in the closet?
• 21:52
  Diane Black: Thank you.
• 21:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: All right, so.
• 21:54
  Trisha Smith: So there's just a lot of unfortunate deaths within But I checked all the closets.
• 21:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: Was there some foul play with the wife? Did she the, get pissed off at him and she st ffed him in the closet and g, I don't know where he is.
• 22:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: So you don't have to.
• 22:10
  Diane Black: I'm gonna, I'm gonna answer that question for you.
• 22:12
  Trisha Smith: Do it.
• 22:15
  Diane Black: That, you know you missed your calling P.I. it's not too late. His wife was convicted and served time,
• 22:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Dun dun dum.
• 22:25
  Diane Black: For his murder.
• 22:27
  Trisha Smith: Right, probably because the police are like, uh your husband is missing, where's the last place you saw him? And she's like, not here.
• 22:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: In the closet, I mean not in the closet. Ma'am, we have purchased, we have receipts of you buying copious amounts of lime.
• 22:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Lye.
• 22:47
  Trisha Smith: Lye.
• 22:50
  Trisha Smith: Making Margaritas in the back yard.
• 22:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: She's celebrating with Margaritas. Lye.
• 23:01
  Diane Black: But it tool them seven months. I mean, did they not investigate the home?
• 23:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know, I think seven months is when the smell really hit then.
• 23:09
  Trisha Smith: Right. You know the neighbors are like, Oh, please go check this lady's house.
• 23:13
  Diane Black: Yeah, there was another strange event that seemed, that seems connected to this old firehouse, oh this is very interesting, o this is about the purchaser, Barbara.
• 23:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay.
• 23:26
  Diane Black: She was in a very deep state of meditation, and during this meditation, she experienced a vision, and she makes it clear it wasn't necessarily like a dream but more like an inward visualization. She was herself a 14 year old boy back in the late 1880s on a dirt street and the firehouse was in the process of being built. She could see horses on the street and the boy appeared to be taking water to the workers from a fountain located in the middle of an intersection. So she now has is 14 year old boy.
• 24:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: She's living a past life, reliving a past life.
• 24:06
  Diane Black: Exactly. So at some point she could see the boy fatally kicked by a horse. It may have been brushed off as a good daydream, if not what had happened next. Sometime after, she was at a flea market in another part of a state, rummaging been through a stack of antique postcards, when one card immediately grabbed her attention. It was an old 19th century photograph of a round fountain in the middle of an intersection. Around the fountain were a half a dozen boys, they were leaning against the rail in the center was a boy like the one she had seen during that vivid meditation. Then she made a spine shivering discovery. The photo was taken in Sanford, Florida on Palmetto Avenue and Second Street, a mere half a block from the firehouse.
• 25:15
  Diane Black: So it should be noted that prior to Barbara's vision of the fountain at this particular location, it was believed that the only fountain was at first Street and Palmetto. It was only after that historians were able to document that the fountain had been relocated to Second and Palmetto, coincidence, I asked you?
• 25:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think not.
• 25:48
  Diane Black: Or a case of reincarnation?
• 25:50
  Trisha Smith: Reincarnation, from who?
• 25:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: From the fountain?
• 25:53
  Diane Black: From her , from Barbara.
• 25:54
  Trisha Smith: I'm getting. It just took me a little while to realize that you said, inward. I thought you said, N word, and I was waiting for it to like,
• 26:06
  Diane Black: No.
• 26:07
  Trisha Smith: Like, be part of the story. It sounded like you said, she had an N word vision.
• 26:13
  Trisha Smith: I'm like, what kind of vision is that?
• 26:22
  Diane Black: Inward, inner, inward, no.
• 26:28
  Trisha Smith: So she.
• 26:31
  Diane Black: So whichever it was, she.
• 26:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: An innie or an outie.
• 26:35
  Diane Black: An innie, or an outie, or an inward, or N word.
• 26:41
  Trisha Smith: She saw this boy.
• 26:44
  Trisha Smith: In her meditation, she found a picture of him.
• 26:44
  Diane Black: In her meditation.
• 26:46
  Diane Black: Yes, right the same boy. So she bought of course, bought the postcard. And as for the entity in her firehouse, Barbara says what she does is she verbally told it. Look, I'm just living here now, you're welcome to stay, but we're gonna get along and she never had a problem thereafter. So for the firemen, which I think this is super cool. Every year Barbara host a get together for the retired Sanford Firefighters to come to the firehouse.
• 27:26
  Trisha Smith: That's cool.
• 27:27
  Diane Black: It's very cool, right?
• 27:28
  Trisha Smith: To go see it.
• 27:29
  Diane Black: So, today though, the firehouse as I said, the this because there's only two two stories, two stories left.
• 27:37
  Diane Black: The third one was is, is a rooftop. The second floor has been made into an Airbnb and it overlooks the heart of historic downtown Sanford. It is most definitely one of the best places to stay, like it's booked up months ahead. The 1887 Sanford Firehouse Station, it is now been modified as you know it's modern day, it's it's open area, it's urban living it's a two bath two bedroom 2,400 square foot,
• 28:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow, holy shnikies.
• 28:20
  Trisha Smith: We'll post the Airbnb link on our web page because it really is stunning.
• 28:25
  Diane Black: It is, they, they describe it as a Sanford Soho loft space.
• 28:32
  Trisha Smith: That's like it's very urban. I mean, you know with the with the brick exposed brick, yeah,
• 28:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh my.
• 28:38
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, open flooring and the open floor plan. It's just beautiful.
• 28:43
  Diane Black: It is absolutely beautiful. It is it is booked up, it is booked out quite, quite ahead of time. And the first floor, they're currently renovating it into a restaurant which will be called the Sanford Firestation. The projected opening date is October 2021. So I did do a little further exploring to see like if other people have had experiences with apparitions or mostly ghostly, and I didn't find anything documented or recorded. But Barbara says that she lived there and on a regular basis she was visited by former firefighters
• 29:29
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 29:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow.
• 29:31
  Trisha Smith: Yeah. doesn't sound like there was anything bad that happened within the firehouse.
• 29:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 29:36
  Trisha Smith: The firefighters themselves seem to have a lot of bad luck.
• 29:40
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 29:41
  Trisha Smith: Away from the fire station.
• 29:43
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 29:44
  Trisha Smith: But the fire house.
• 29:46
  Trisha Smith: Nothing ominous.
• 29:48
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 29:49
  Trisha Smith: But yeah, it is weird that she feels something and then had that weird photo experience.
• 29:54
  Diane Black: The photo experience is kind of crazy that
• 29:55
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 29:55
  Diane Black: So that is kind of crazy.
• 29:57
  Diane Black: she saw the boy , that that s e saw herself as in h
• 29:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: There's a lot of like spooky stuff, or supposed r meditation, she saw that ve y same boy in a postca d photograph standing around t e fountain and downtown Sanfor haunted buildings around Sanford.
• 30:20
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:20
  Trisha Smith: Sanford is definitely like a hot spot, you know, for local ghost hunters,
• 30:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 30:29
  Trisha Smith: For sure. I know I've mentioned before the Shiloh cemetery, there's a an old building that depending on who you talk to, or what you read, it was a church building some say it was for a cault, some say it was a religious building, but it's right by the Marina and it's it looks like apartment buildings., and it just I don't know if whoever had it. They're not ,you know which one? i'm talking about
• 30:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes,
• 30:58
  Trisha Smith: And of all the work they've done in downtown this one building just looks abandoned and it's because it's owned by,
• 31:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's huge.
• 31:06
  Trisha Smith: Um hum.
• 31:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: I love downtown Sanford in general, just it's so dog friendly. There's numerous breweries down there. It's very, you know, walk friendly, for the residents, that live in the direct area it's very golf cart friendly and it's just, it's just they have, they have little festivals you know, Alive After Five on Thursdays.
• 31:32
  Diane Black: They have a local theater,
• 31:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: A local theater, they have Paws and Pints, they have food truck events, and it's, I like it.
• 31:40
  Diane Black: I do too.
• 31:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: They do a lot.
• 31:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: They do a lot of stuff down there.
• 31:43
  Diane Black: And I love that, I think everything down there is locally owned and operated.
• 31:46
  Diane Black: There's no like franchises that come in. So that is a very much attraction.
• 31:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, I like it.
• 31:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's a it's one of my favorite places to go.
• 31:59
  Diane Black: So when the restaurant opens up, we'll have to go and
• 32:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Check it out.
• 32:04
  Diane Black: Check it out.
• 32:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: So there's the Old Jail House Restaurant too, that's right next door,
• 32:09
  Diane Black: Which is right next door, because the jail used to be on the third floor of the firehouse, so once they opened the jail, there's gonna be a lot of energy i would think.
• 32:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well jail was I guess right next to the old firehouse, and if when you go inside the restaurant now, they still have a room in there, that was one of the old jail cells, but it's, you know, a dining room now.
• 32:36
  Trisha Smith: Yeah. Lots to explore in Sanford have to go to that and have dinner and grab a cocktail.
• 32:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, yeah. there's a there's a bunch of good places.
• 32:44
  Diane Black: Oh, my goodness.
• 32:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: One of the best old fashioneds I had was from the Celery City, Cigar Bar.
• 32:51
  Leyla Zmeskal: There was this bartender in there and he It was his bartenders choice of what, you know, he wanted to concoct. He asked me if I how exotic I wanted my old fashioned, I'm like, well, you just go to town, and I tell you what, that was the best old fashioned I've ever had. It was amazing. Amazing.
• 33:17
  Trisha Smith: All right. Well, I just wanted to I came across this article, and I just wanted to mention it because it seemed right up our alley, and it was just something to think about.
• 33:28
  Trisha Smith: It's not really a story or any one thing, it's a story by the New York Times, and it's called quarantining with a ghost.
• 33:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Quarantining with the ghost?
• 33:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: With a ghost and evidently, reports of hauntings have gone up during quarantine because people are noticing more and more activity in their homes.
• 33:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Whether it's because, they're home enough to realize there's something going on. Some people are moving locations, like this one couple, and since they were working from home, they decided to rent a cabin for six weeks, and they claim it was haunted.
• 34:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: But yeah, it said in a 2019 survey 45% of adults, US adults believe in ghosts.
• 34:25
  Diane Black: Wow, that's high.
• 34:28
  Trisha Smith: Right, and they're having all types of experiences from seeing things, hearing things, things being moved.
• 34:36
  Trisha Smith: Overall, you know, it's like, just noticing things within their home. So this guy, his name is john Tenney, and he's a paranormal researcher, and he's the former host of the TV show Ghost Stalkers, but he estimates that he received two to five reports of a haunted house each month in 2019, and lately, it's been more like five to 10 in a week.
• 35:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow, that is a huge increase.
• 35:05
  Trisha Smith: Right. He said he's seen something like this before in 1999. Immediately after y2k, he witnessed a spike in reported ghost and poltergeist activity, as well as UFO sightings, which in his experience are also on the rise.
• 35:23
  Trisha Smith: This right now, like people are not just seeing ghosts, they're also reporting UFO activity. So it does seem to have something to do with our heightened state of anxiety, and our hyper vigilance. But he has no doubt that the vast majority of these cases are completely explainable in nature. When the sun comes up, and the house starts to warm up, he said, usually people are working, they're not, you know, they're usually at work. So they're not used to hearing the bricks pop and the wood expanding and all these sounds your house makes during the day when it's kind of settling because most people are out of the house, and now that more and more people are spending time at home, they're like a ghost, but maybe they are seeing something.
• 36:16
  Trisha Smith: So this lady said she's been living in her haunted house with a ghost that she's had around since she was in college. Her husband lives in her house with her now, and when they began to cite, self isolate in March, they started using their guest room which they had never really used before. But that way, you know, she was a nurse, and they had different hours. So he would, you know, sleep in one room just so that he wouldn't disturb her if she was sleeping or whatever. And they would they were hearing more and more activity and they said that this this ghost that they live with prefers his wife, and does a lot of things to him that are kind of like poltergeist activity.
• 37:00
  Trisha Smith: Like he said on three separate occasions while he was showering in the guest bath, he was unexpectedly blasted with cold water.
• 37:09
  Diane Black: Oh,
• 37:10
  Trisha Smith: But it wasn't just the plumbing. He said every time when he reached out to check the water, you know, the water things, what are they called, water thingies?
• 37:23
  Diane Black: Knobs,
• 37:24
  Trisha Smith: Knobs, water thingies. But the hot water one was always turned off. He could only turn it on, you know, he could make the water hot or hotter or because it wasn't even on to begin with. So So yeah, and there's a lot of different stories just like that where, you know, doors are slamming furnitures moving. So you know, it's not just people noticing there are definitely legitimate concerns, you know, from from people who are who are noticing things in their home. So it is kind of cool. When you when you think about that, you know that we are spending more and more time in our homes right now.
• 38:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Especially during 2020.
• 38:07
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, it says the end of the article. So have you been troubled by strange noises in the middle of the night? Or have you experienced feelings of dread in your basement or attic?
• 38:19
  Trisha Smith: Mr. Tenney from Ghost Stalkers says, don't panic take careful notes on what you observe, you may soon find a rational explanation for your fears. But what if that strange noise happens at the same time every day? Look around, observe your surroundings outside your home, it could be a train going by, it could be the UPS truck going and you never realized how it affected your home. But one could argue that the ghost puttering around your kitchen is not only there but that she's always been there. And maybe you're the person you're the thing that's changed.
• 38:57
  Diane Black: Right.
• 38:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: I wonder if any of our listeners has been affected by ghostly activity during the pandemic?
• 39:02
  Diane Black: I was just thinking the same thing.
• 39:04
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 39:04
  Diane Black: I love to know.
• 39:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: If you have been accected by ghostly activity Right.
• 39:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: during the pandemic, or have you noticed things in your house, On one of our podcasts.
• 39:09
  Diane Black: Yeah, we will.
• 39:10
  Diane Black: become a little strange, email us at Boozy Banter With Friends.com and tell us your story, and we'll read your story
• 39:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: One of our episodes, we will.
• 39:21
  Diane Black: Or DM us, DM us.
• 39:24
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 39:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: Whatever's it's, we're easy to get ahold of. So send us your story, and and I'll tell you what, if you send us a story, I promise you could pick which one of us you want to read it for you. I want Diane to read the story, and she'll read it.
• 39:41
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 39:41
  Diane Black: Yeah, yes, absolutly.
• 39:46
  Trisha Smith: All right.
• 39:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, that's good stuff.
• 39:48
  Trisha Smith: Something to think about.
• 39:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: It is something to tihink about.
• 39:51
  Diane Black: Yes, and start paying attention around your surroundings,
• 39:54
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 39:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: Because some of the stuff you can kind of explain away then maybe some of the stuff you can't.
• 40:00
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, don't think about too hard unless you have a cocktail.
• 40:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think we should go get one.
• 40:05
  Trisha Smith: I agree.
• 40:06
  Diane Black: Ditto.
• 40:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: Until next time
• 40:09
  Trisha Smith: Cheers.
• 40:09
  Diane Black: Cheers.
• 40:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Cheers.