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SEASON TWO! Personal stylist and Department of Style Founder Bel Hewitt-Dutton · She Said It Out Loud with Emma Young

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SPEAKER_01: You're listening to She Said It Out Loud, where real women share real stories without sugarcoating a thing.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Emma Young, and I'll bring you on filtered conversations with ambitious women who faced challenges, made bold moves, and learned a lot along the way.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll get real takeaways, honest lessons, and stories that you're gonna relate to.
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SPEAKER_01: Righto, let's get started.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey there and welcome to the podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Emma Young, and this of course is She Said It Out Loud.
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SPEAKER_01: And welcome back! This is the very first episode of season two, and I am just so thrilled to have you here with me that you've downloaded the episode and that you're ready to get started with listening to some incredible conversations that I've managed to have with top 10 women.
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SPEAKER_01: They I've just had so much fun in the past couple of weeks interviewing some amazing women ready for season two.
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SPEAKER_01: So welcome! Today's episode, of course, is kindly sponsored by Fourfold, and it's the newest Hippers place in Broome that you must go and head on down.
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SPEAKER_01: Do yourself a favour and head on down to 4fold.
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SPEAKER_01: My guest for season two, very opening episode, is Belle.
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SPEAKER_01: And her actual name is Belle Sutherland.
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SPEAKER_01: But on Instagram, she is known as Belle Hewitt Dutton.
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SPEAKER_01: In case people are wondering, who's Belle Sutherland?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that's actually her real name.
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SPEAKER_01: But on Instagram, she is actually known as Belle from Department of Style.
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SPEAKER_01: And what a cool name is that for her business.
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SPEAKER_01: She is just an absolute delight.
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SPEAKER_01: And I followed her for about 12 months now, and I've seen some Perth personalities take her on, have her as their personal stylist.
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SPEAKER_01: Her content is amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: It has me, who obviously loves fashion and loves getting dressed up.
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SPEAKER_01: Her content has really had me thinking, like, there are ways that I can change things up a bit, and also in keeping in line with what my authentic style is.
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SPEAKER_01: Before you even get started on listening to today's episode, do yourself a favor and suss out her Instagram page.
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SPEAKER_01: She is oh so close to 100,000 followers.
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SPEAKER_01: And who knows, she might have already reached it before this episode drops.
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SPEAKER_01: But do yourself a favor, that's my favorite saying today.
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SPEAKER_01: Head on to her page and have a look at what she gets up to because she is a very, very wise woman when it comes to fashion.
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SPEAKER_01: Enough of me waffling.
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SPEAKER_01: Here is our conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the podcast, Belle.
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SPEAKER_01: I am so happy to get you on today's episode.
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SPEAKER_01: I have been wanting to ask you for ages to come on.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm here with Belinda Sutherland.
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SPEAKER_01: She has a business, and it's correct me if I'm wrong, but it's called Department of Style, and she is on social media.
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SPEAKER_01: I have followed Belle for about 12 months now, and just her page is incredible.
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SPEAKER_01: She gives great fashion advice, tips on hair style, personal styling in particular, but also it seems that on her page, she's able to give really good advice on using staple items that you already have in your wardrobe.
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SPEAKER_01: Besides that, Belle, I've watched you grow your audience exponentially over the past 12 months, and so I am just so incredibly pumped to have you here today.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm very excited to be here too.
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SPEAKER_01: Great.
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SPEAKER_01: For my listeners that are listening to today's episode, can you please just tell us a little bit about yourself?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm currently 56, almost 57.
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SPEAKER_00: I have three adult children.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I have a husband with motor neuron disease, he's who I've been a carer for for 10 years.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a lover of fashion.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a textiles and design background, but I really just want to make it accessible to everyone in terms of everyone can look great.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's just understanding a few basics and not being overwhelmed by trends and you know all the things that we're told on social media.
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SPEAKER_00: So I try and keep it simple and you want to invest in pieces that you're gonna wear for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: Build your wardrobe around things that you love rather than things that are just trendy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: Um that's I mean, that's really good advice.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh how long have you been a personal stylist for?
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SPEAKER_00: So my current business has been going four and a half years.
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SPEAKER_00: I did have a business a few years prior to that, but I had a bit of a break.
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SPEAKER_00: I lost both my parents and my husband that got diagnosed with modern urine disease.
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SPEAKER_00: So I had a bit of a break in between and then Geez, that's hectic and life happens.
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SPEAKER_00: So took a bit of a break for a few years, and then this current business has been going for four and a half years.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And I mean, Department of Style, A, what a great name.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, cute.
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SPEAKER_00: My husband came up with it.
4:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Because do you know how many names are taken?
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SPEAKER_00: Like anything to do with fashion style, really, really hard.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I also knew the business shouldn't be named after me, because if you ever, you know, wanted expand or do other things.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, he very cleverly came up with the name, which I was really happy with.
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SPEAKER_00: Now I can deem men's and women's because I didn't want it the name to be too girly.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was a good choice.
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SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, to me, it just really stands out.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: You've got an incredibly large following on social media.
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SPEAKER_01: You were so close to 100,000 followers, which is, excuse my French, a shit ton of followers.
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SPEAKER_01: But with that though, what are some of the challenges that you face, you know, trying to stay current on whatever fashion trends are out there, but also making content?
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SPEAKER_00: So I've really slowed down on making content.
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SPEAKER_00: I was such a gun in the early days.
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SPEAKER_00: I would post every single day.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I, before I started this business, I did not even have my own Instagram account.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
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SPEAKER_00: So to say I started at ground zero was an understatement.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh but I was so determined that because it's really hard.
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SPEAKER_00: Like modern marketing, it's people can't find you.
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SPEAKER_00: The old days, it was like you look up something in the yellow pages, you took your ad out for the year, that's your marketing done for the year.
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SPEAKER_00: So basically, where there's a will, there's a way.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just was determined to work it out, work it out and give the audience what they liked.
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SPEAKER_00: These days, not as much posting.
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SPEAKER_00: I built up, you know, regular clients that will see me two or three times a year and referrals.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't need to market as much.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I still have to keep in touch with my audience, share my passions, but it's definitely not the six to seven times a week that it was.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, and I mean that's probably handy because then you can still continue to have a life.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, because that's important too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: This is the thing though, with your page, it's always it just looks so perfectly set out.
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SPEAKER_01: And it looks like you actually really take I do.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's very intentional.
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SPEAKER_00: So I have a colour theme that I will use that I will do for between 15, roughly 15 posts.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's like five lines of three.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And I will have a colour that will be the colour that we're focusing on.
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SPEAKER_00: It gives it also makes me look, give everyone a wide variety of colours.
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SPEAKER_00: So at some point I will get to a colour that that might be someone's favourite colour, and also just helps me like narrow in on the content of what I want to produce.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'll do my little style boards around that focus colour, and I will try and turn up in that focus colour as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Just to show what we can do with colour.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, look, at the start, before I even press record, we're having a quick little chat, and I my mouth pretty much dropped to the floor when you mentioned your age.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: Here on obviously the podcast, not everybody likes to drop their age.
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SPEAKER_01: I talk about it all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: Everyone knows that I'm a millennial.
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SPEAKER_01: The fact that you mentioned that you were nearly 57 and you are impeccably dressed, I get that that's your business and that's part of your personality.
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SPEAKER_01: You were talking about, like, I said, I don't think I know any woman that, even in their 50s, that dresses consistently as well as what you do.
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SPEAKER_00: I do it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I feel good.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not for anyone else.
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SPEAKER_00: It's literally when you get dressed and you've taken some care and time to get dressed, it your day is better.
7:53
SPEAKER_00: You know, we've all had the experience of going to the hairdresser and you know, your hair's been coloured perfectly, giving you the best blowout, and you just walk a little taller and a bit happier.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's the same with putting on a good outfit and just spending the time to do a little bit of makeup, put your outfit on, and then you've nourished yourself for the day.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can go out and fight the good fight.
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SPEAKER_01: I love how you've used that word nourish because I guess it kind of feels like that, doesn't it?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because it is.
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SPEAKER_00: We women give a lot, and you know, I have people land in my lap and they're ready to be looked after.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So look, I'm curious to know how your business has evolved over the past five years.
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SPEAKER_01: So can you explain exactly if I was to come to you, what's what are the services that you do?
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SPEAKER_00: So I do basically full service.
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SPEAKER_00: So wardrobe makeover.
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SPEAKER_00: So we go through the wardrobe, clear out what isn't working, make a list of the gaps, because people they go to the shopping centre and they look for inspiration at the shopping centre instead of actually going, what is it that I need?
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SPEAKER_00: And just clearing out your wardrobe can, you know, it just creates new energy.
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SPEAKER_00: Like if you it's better to have a smaller amount of well-curated pieces so you can work out how to put an outfit together than a bulging wardrobe of items that you no longer feel good in.
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SPEAKER_00: Like we hang on to things for way too long when we were different size for all sorts of reasons.
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SPEAKER_00: There's so much guilt attached to what's in our wardrobe.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But the thing is we're always evolving, and you know, we have to honour that that we're not the same person we were five, six years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: And the clothes that we had then don't reflect who we are now, and that's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I I'm glad that you mentioned that because uh I think it was maybe probably only six months ago.
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SPEAKER_01: I had obviously from even the early 2000s, a whole bunch of rip curl quicksilver shirts from growing up in Geraldton.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and just when you're in your high school years, you just always put on a graphic tee.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, you know what, I probably don't need to really be wearing ripcurl shirts.
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SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until one of my friends, who I've known for ages, I just had on.
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SPEAKER_01: She's like, Why are you wearing a rip curl shirt?
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SPEAKER_01: And that's no offense to Ripcurl, but for my age and what I'm trying to do.
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SPEAKER_00: But you just evolved from that.
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SPEAKER_00: That was an era, and you you enjoyed that during that era, and that's a great thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And now it's time to let it go because you've evolved as a person.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
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SPEAKER_01: I like how you mentioned that.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to know more though about these planning the styling sessions when you work one-on-one with clients.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Obviously, first of all, based on their budget, but then also how different is it to style men compared to women?
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, a questionnaire goes out.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've got some ideas about the clients.
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SPEAKER_00: Men and women, very different.
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SPEAKER_00: The boys are so easy.
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SPEAKER_00: That's I'm just gonna say that straight up.
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SPEAKER_00: Their fashion doesn't move as fast.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the girls have got to contend with a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: We've got a lot more items to consider, like the guys don't have jewellery so much, handbags, um, it's always flat shoes for the guys, the girls have got a more variety of shoes, and the fashion just moves faster.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just feel like there's this expectation that all women know how to get dressed.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're not a person that loves this like fashion, clothes, or you know, we've all got different talents.
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SPEAKER_00: If you're not a creative person and it's just not your thing, it can be really overwhelming and really difficult.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: I can see how that would be difficult.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the girls' fashion, as I said, moves faster.
11:11
SPEAKER_00: You know, I have clients who might have really big bust, really broad hips, and then it's a real, it's really hard for them when clothes are made to a mean to find the right pieces for them.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's where like things like tailoring comes in, knowing what shapes will suit your body type.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, for girls with really broad shoulders or big busts, V-shaped t-shirts are a game changer in a world where we're just being told crew is is all that's available.
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SPEAKER_00: So just knowing these things, um, what to do if you've got broader hips, like always size up your pants to your broadest part and then have it nipped in at the waist if your waist is tinier than your hips.
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SPEAKER_00: Just like just small things.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: And also what length to finish things at, like just having tail pants tailored to the correct length, it just makes a huge difference.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I bet.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: Holy cow.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, this is why you're the professional and not me.
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SPEAKER_00: It's much more straightforward than you realise.
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SPEAKER_00: As soon as it's pointed out, people just go, oh, that makes so much sense.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: So what what about budget though?
12:08
SPEAKER_00: Like budget.
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SPEAKER_00: I work with all budget.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of the time it might be the service might be gifted as a like a birthday present.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Or, and so my service has been gifted, but the client has to have their own budget.
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SPEAKER_00: I've worked with clients with every budget.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm a huge fan of UniClo, and that would be the number one place I would start because you've got quality pieces, you know, modern cuts and also very classic pieces for someone who's on a budget.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's really handy to know.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh now I recently saw on your page that you posted a quote that I myself really resonated with, and that was trends are everywhere, authentic style isn't.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, well, I don't know if I would say I've got a particular style.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a difference between my business as Emma Celebrate and now with a podcast, and in my day-to-day life, you know, everyone knows that I like to dress up, but then I do dress down for my work because I'm not gonna obviously be super fancy.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you explain further just how hard it is to create or keep that authentic style?
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SPEAKER_00: So we're kind of we're bombarded by trends.
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SPEAKER_00: But what I always try to encourage clients to do is have an awareness of what the trends are out there, but only pick from that what really resonates and works on you in terms of colour, in terms of style and silhouette.
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SPEAKER_00: And also, like if you were trying to build a personal brand or stand out in business, you want to not be wearing everything that's on trend.
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SPEAKER_00: You want to be very select about the colour.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it a colour that looks super flattering on you?
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SPEAKER_00: Is the cut really great on you?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it a cut that is flattering to your body type?
13:48
SPEAKER_00: These things are what make you stand out and look impeccable.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, if you, you know, trying to rise through, be noticed at work, you work in a corporate environment, your outfit, if you have a really well put together outfit, it shows that you have, you pay attention to detail, that you've got your life together.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just that that subliminal message of I've got it all worked out.
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SPEAKER_00: Even if you haven't, your outfit, you know, and sometimes the outfit will carry you forward.
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SPEAKER_00: It will give you that lift, you know, that you may not have had beforehand.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I agree with that, definitely.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: What's a style or trend that, you know, you really have enjoyed and what's one that you really haven't enjoyed?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I bet you've seen it all.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I've I've seen a I've seen a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I both love the blazer trend and also have a caveat that it doesn't work for everyone.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm reasonably tall, so that's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: A blazer for me, I want to look polished.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I work with a lot of professional people, so a lot of lawyers, a lot of time poor people that work that are professionals.
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SPEAKER_00: So I also like to look quite polished.
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SPEAKER_00: So blazers for me are great because I'm tall, but a boxy blazer on a petite that's almost down to their knees, it's completely the wrong proportion.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: Especially if it's got no shape through the waist, it's just going to wear them, not them wear it.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: And so that's a trend I would say to them, leave it be.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: Let's find other alternatives to that.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: So again, it's it's got to look good on you first and foremost.
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SPEAKER_00: The colour, the cut, it's got to be right for you.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Anything, you know, less than that is not is not serving you.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: And I guess on that then, when you do your one-on-one styling sessions, how do you go about?
15:29
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you can't be blunt and be like, oh my god, that looks absolutely rubbish, get it off.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you go about when somebody wants to try something on and they're quite a stickler into no, this is what I'm gonna wear?
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SPEAKER_00: So it's normally led by me.
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SPEAKER_00: Like they'll tell me about their lifestyle.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm matching pieces.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'll be showing them pieces that match their lifestyle, but also their colouring.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: So I always take into account what colours they are and their body shape.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: So I will be giving them pieces that I know will work for them.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes we might have to talk about a small amount of tailoring to get something to look even better, but generally it's led by me.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes clients come in and they'll be insisting they still want to do skinny leg jeans or um skinny leg pants for work.
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SPEAKER_00: And I say to them, okay, I'm hearing you, and I know you're wanting to replace like for like, but you've booked me and I'm gonna make some suggestions of other things you could consider.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: And if you try it and you don't like it, that's fine.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: We'll go with what you want, but at least give it a go.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: Like lean into the experience.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: You've booked me because you want an expert opinion, and I'm gonna give you my expert opinion.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Okay, again, that's why you're the professional.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like you lead with kindness because you know, there's so much vulnerability.
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SPEAKER_00: There is, I mean, there's just a huge amount of vulnerability in all of this.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: It's, you know, clients, they just, you know, I've had clients cry because as soon as they realise I get it and I've got their back, and I do, they just go, the relief on their face is just like amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: And also when they see themselves in the right colour.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: Like clients who come in and they've just been wearing completely the wrong colours or just no colour at all.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: They're hiding under black.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: It's like when they see themselves, their eyes, their skin just light up because they're in a really stunning colour on them.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: And they may never have even considered colour before I've mentioned it.
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SPEAKER_00: They'll go, Oh, yeah, you do something about colour, but whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: But when they actually see it on them, it's a game changer.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay, if you weren't being a personal stylist, because clearly we can see that this is a huge passion of yours and anyone can hear it in your voice.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: Is there something else that you would be doing instead?
17:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm a trained tantra teacher, so potentially something in that arena.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: More about education rather than tantra teaching per se, like couples education, maybe younger audience as well, in terms of respect.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: So it's called tantra.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: Tantra.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: I've been saying tantric.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm wrong.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: So it's tantra.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: That's incredible.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you're a tantra teacher.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you could potentially be doing that then.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: I've thought about it.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: But there's a lot of stigma attached to it.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: And so that is because I'm older, that is something I'm I would have to deal with.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how my family would deal with it either.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: It's not as what's the word for it?
18:23
SPEAKER_00: I feel a bit like personal styling.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: People have a certain image of what it is.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: And it's actually really respectful.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: It's very well, maybe I don't I think not a lot of people would know what that is, though.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
18:35
SPEAKER_01: It's like I interviewed one of my friends who was a guest early on, and she was in a polyamorous relationship.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: And the amount of messages that I got from people where they were like, what even is polyamorous?
18:46
SPEAKER_01: You kept on saying it.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know what it was.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: And it was in that moment where I'm like, damn, I probably should have explained it better.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: Because to be fair, 12 months ago, I didn't even know what it was.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: And I guess it's just one of those words that just doesn't really get spoken about.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: And again, this is the whole sex, intimate relationships.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: There's no, there is no education.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: We talked about this earlier.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Like my sex education was at high school.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: Parents did not want to talk to me about it at all.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't education, it was pregnancy avoidance.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: And then I've got children in their 20s, late 20s going into 30s.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: And I asked them, okay, what were you taught at high school?
19:25
SPEAKER_00: And it was basically pregnancy avoidance and consent.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Okay, both of those things are important, but where's the education?
19:33
SPEAKER_00: And added to them, they've just got exposure to porn that was never available to me because it just wasn't around at that time.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: Not the internet wasn't full of all of and that's not really a reflection of what it should be like.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: It's not really realistic.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean it's at its core, it's the most wholesome thing.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: But we've turned it into something that is not wholesome and shameful and all the things that it shouldn't be.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: I think there probably just needs to be more education around it and what it actually is.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's interesting.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: You would could potentially be doing that.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I do love I mean, I do love what I do.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of a side thing.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: I did that for my own personal knowledge.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: I never went on to teach formally.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: I just did the training as a teacher.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: But who knows?
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh, who know?
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who knows?
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for sharing that.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: I love it when people just drop absolute honest truth bombs on me, but that's so incredibly, you know, inspiring that you've got other talents and other skills that you're that, you know, not a lot of people might be aware of.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: For your rapid fire questions, I'm going to ask you what the first one is is where is somewhere, can be Perth, it can be a place, it could be, I don't want to say a thing, but is there somewhere that you can think of straight off the top of your head that you feel most to yourself?
20:56
SPEAKER_01: A place.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: I grew up on the Hawkesby River in Sydney.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: I just love that part of the world.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: It just reminds me of amazing times with my family when I was younger, fishing, going and getting oysters off the rocks.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: It was just such a great, easy, relaxed time in my life.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: If I was to get three of your friends, I ask a lot of my guests, and I love this because everyone says something, it's always different answers.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: But if I was to get three of Belle's friends or a bunch of Belle's friends and said, Right, give me three words to describe you, what do you think they would say?
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Kind.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: I've got a big heart.
21:36
SPEAKER_00: Independent, do you reckon?
21:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very independent.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I get ticked off for that because sometimes I'm struggling and I don't ask until it's really, really late.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: And I go, why don't you say something sooner?
21:51
SPEAKER_00: So yes, definitely probably too independent.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: Pretty organized.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
21:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:56
SPEAKER_01: I feel like you're just in that business.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: Usually in this bit I would say that I'm gonna get you to give me a shout-out, but I completely forgot.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: We were talking off-air before we even pressed record, and there was a bit that you talked about where I was like, we have to mention this because it is a thing, and I don't I don't think it gets spoken about a lot.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: But tell me about when people I guess people are judging you potentially what on your looks or No, I don't even think it's that.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: I think they're just really intimidated to work with a personal stylist.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: And I am the most down to earth person.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've had three kids, I've got a husband with motor neuron disease.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I laugh and say to clients, I've had the full catastrophe.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Two dogs.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: At one point, I had four teenage kids living with me, a husband that was incredibly sick, and I said, I know what living in the trenches is like.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I get it.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh you tell me what your lifestyle is.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: If you've got a two-year-old, I'm not going to be suggesting white jeans.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: But I absolutely get it.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing to be intimidated by me because I'm a super practical girl at the end of the day.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: I want you to look good, but I also want to be super practical about putting outfits together.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for sharing that.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: I feel like that's important because yeah, I can see how people probably would be a little bit intimidated.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: And I think I personally think it may be because you come across as so incredibly polished, like everything about your outfits.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: But it's hard.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: It's hard, like because we're cause.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm too polished, I'm intimidating, don't look polished enough.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm in an area that's about aesthetics, so it's really hard.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm either going to be judged one way or the other.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to be polished.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: I get that.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: And I think that makes sense because if you weren't, then people will go, what is she even talking about?
23:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's really hard to face social media in your 50s when you're starting in your 50s and going, okay, like I'm just going to put my best foot forward here because there's nothing else I can do.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: I just love everything about that.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: Now, do you have somebody that you want to do a shout out to, to a woman that's potentially inspired you?
23:57
SPEAKER_00: I have a legendary VA.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: So Claire from Free Your Time Online is superhuman, amazing colleague, amazing person to have on your team personally and professionally.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: So that's who I would shout out to.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: Shout out to Claire.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: In the show notes, I'm going to put obviously Belle's details and where you can find her and whether you need a personal stylist.
24:22
SPEAKER_01: And then also Claire's details as well.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: Free your time.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: What a great business name, too.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: She's she's awesome.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much for coming on the podcast today, Belle.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: It's been a great conversation, and I feel like there's going to be a lot of women that will probably be nodding their heads to a lot of things that you were saying throughout this.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: So thanks again, Emma.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: Bye.
24:44
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24:47
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24:51
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24:58
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