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Little Girl, 12, Drives Dad's Car 200 Miles to Meet Online "Teen" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl takes the family car
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Speaker 2: and heads off with a little friend to meet someone
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Speaker 2: from online in Louisiana. How did this happen? I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: here at Fox Nation in SiriusXM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 3: A missing runaway children alert out of Lake Butler, Florida.
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Speaker 3: Jake Gregory is twelve years old. Her best friend, Chloe Larson,
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Speaker 3: is fourteen and is known to wear glasses. The children
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Speaker 3: last seen in the area of Northeast County Road two
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Speaker 3: thirty seven in Lake Butler, Florida, and it appears they
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Speaker 3: are traveling in a twenty sixteen black Ford tours belonging
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Speaker 3: to Jade Gregory's father. Early investigation shows the girls are
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Speaker 3: possibly headed east on Iten between Florida and Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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Speaker 3: There is no adult traveling with the girls and no
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Speaker 3: found play is suspected. You know when you have a
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Speaker 3: child alone in a car the way you heard it
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Speaker 3: phrase just then, no foul play suspected? How can anyone
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Speaker 3: be calm when a twelve year old is trying to
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Speaker 3: drive a car. A twelve year old little girl trying
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Speaker 3: to drive a car from Florida all the way to Louisiana.
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Speaker 3: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 3: what we know right now. But first I want to
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Speaker 3: go to a special guest joining us, Captain Lynn Williams,
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Speaker 3: Chief Deputy Union County Sheriff's Office in Florida.
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Speaker 4: Captain Williams, thank you for taking time to be with us.
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Speaker 2: Could you just describe what that drive would be between
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Speaker 2: where they took off and Louisiana.
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Speaker 5: Well, when we go the call from the parents, it
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Speaker 5: obviously scared the parents. Scared us to death too. To
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Speaker 5: think about a twelve year old on the Interstate on
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Speaker 5: I ten headed west through multiple states.
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Speaker 6: It scared us.
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Speaker 5: The parent's original fault was that we were going to
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Speaker 5: call them to say that they've been in a tragic accident.
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Speaker 5: So we obviously took this very serious. We were under
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Speaker 5: the impression the twelve year old was the one that
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Speaker 5: was driving. You know, Interstate's a very serious highway going
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Speaker 5: you know, approximately eight nine hours.
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Speaker 4: Oh, dear Lord in heaven.
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Speaker 2: You know, the other day, Captain Williams, my children, John
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Speaker 2: David and Lucy have just gotten old enough to get
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Speaker 2: a learner's license, which I can't believe this.
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Speaker 4: Is even happening.
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Speaker 2: But I took my daughter out on I guess it
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Speaker 2: was a one, two, three, five lane, two lanes going
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Speaker 2: our way, a turn lane in the middle, and two
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Speaker 2: lanes coming against us. I didn't scream, but I nearly
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Speaker 2: had a heart attack when she had to change lanes.
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Speaker 2: She's never changed the lines before. Let me just say,
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Speaker 2: I think we need to practice some more. But she's fifteen,
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Speaker 2: and she's a very calm, calm and responsible person. I
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Speaker 2: cannot even imagine at age twelve. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 2: to more from our Forensic Crime online.
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Speaker 3: A massive searches underway for Jade Gregory and Chloe Larson.
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Speaker 3: Investigators say twelve year old Jade took her dad's in
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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen Ford Taurus and drove to fourteen year old
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Speaker 3: Chloe Larson's house. They were last seen in the area
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Speaker 3: of Main Street in County Road two thirty seven in
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Speaker 3: Lake Butler, Florida. But early investigation has led law enforcement
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Speaker 3: to believe the girls have been communicating with someone they
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Speaker 3: believe to be a teenage boy in the Baton Rouge,
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Speaker 3: Louisiana area. The girls are possibly traveling on Iten West.
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Speaker 3: Pictures of both girls are posted online through social media,
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Speaker 3: on TV and electronic billboard. The girls are traveling without
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Speaker 3: adult supervision. Foul play is not suspected, but being twelve
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Speaker 3: and fourteen, neither girl has a valid driver's license.
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Speaker 2: Has anybody heard about the murders off the Delphi Bridge?
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Speaker 4: I mean, what does everybody have?
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Speaker 2: Their head in the sand and their tail and the
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Speaker 2: air like an ostrich. Those two little girls, Liberty and Abby,
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Speaker 2: thought they were talking to a teen boy, a Justin
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Speaker 2: Bieber look alike. Well, as it turns out, they were
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Speaker 2: talking to a guy down in the basement, a grown man,
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Speaker 2: texting them and trying to get them to send them nunes.
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Speaker 2: That's who they were talking to, a grown man, and
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Speaker 2: they weren't special. He was casting all the little girls
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Speaker 2: he could think of, finding them online to have conversations
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Speaker 2: with them, posing as a teen joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Captain Lynn Williams, chief Deputy Union County
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Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office is Shauna Burns. You may remember the name
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Speaker 2: Haley Burns. This is her mom, her daughter lured by
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Speaker 2: an online predator.
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Speaker 4: As a young teen.
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Speaker 2: Shauna tell us how Haley was lured online.
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Speaker 7: She met him in a chatroom for people that wanted
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Speaker 7: to be inorexic. It was an anorexia chatroom, and he
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Speaker 7: tended to stay in that chatroom because he found a
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Speaker 7: lot of different women there. She ran into her in there,
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Speaker 7: and within twenty eight days of meeting him, he had
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Speaker 7: convinced her to leave.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it true, Haley, your little girl was held
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Speaker 2: captive by this online predator for thirteen.
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Speaker 7: Months, three hundred ninety nine days.
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Speaker 4: And during that time, what did she endure? Horrific torture.
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Speaker 7: She was starved, She was assaulted in ways that I
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Speaker 7: cannot explain that I'm not allowed to explain. Graphic horrible
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Speaker 7: abuse is what she endured every.
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Speaker 2: Single day, lot in a dog cage, yep, and starved
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Speaker 2: and starved.
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Speaker 7: When she came back, she weighed eighty six pounds. We
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Speaker 7: had to go to a special therapist to introduce foods
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Speaker 7: slowly because she had not had any meat or vegetables
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Speaker 7: or dairy for the entire time that he kept her.
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Speaker 7: So you can't just not eat dairy and meat for
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Speaker 7: those amount of times and then introduce it back. You
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Speaker 7: have to do it very slowly. And it was like
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Speaker 7: so hard for her to go through that because it
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Speaker 7: was just like re going through it again and again
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Speaker 7: and again. Every time we had to go to learn
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Speaker 7: how to re eat meat. It was just it was
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Speaker 7: like so difficult, Like you wouldn't even think that that
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Speaker 7: would be a thing, but it was so hard for
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Speaker 7: her to even learn how to re eat vegetables again.
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Speaker 2: Shawna, I know a lot of people have expressed so
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Speaker 2: much sympathy and empathy for your daughter, Haley, but just
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Speaker 2: hearing you talk, I'm just so sorry what you have
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Speaker 2: gone through. Because last week, my son John David got
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Speaker 2: hit in the head with a discus at track practice.
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Speaker 2: It's a long story. My point is it knocked him out.
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Speaker 2: We were in the er half the night. He has
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Speaker 2: a level three concussion. He wanted to go back to school,
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Speaker 2: and when he got in the car, the sun was
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Speaker 2: so bright it immediately triggered a horrible, splitting headache. And
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Speaker 2: there he was, all dressed for school. We had to
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Speaker 2: turn around and come back home. And I'm nearly sick,
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Speaker 2: just like I want to vomit. Worried about him and
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Speaker 2: your girl was gone. You said three hundred how many days?
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Speaker 7: Three hundred and ninety nine days, And I'm going to
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Speaker 7: be honest with you, it was torture. You we have twins.
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Speaker 7: We also, we have seven year old twin girls, and
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Speaker 7: I thank God that I have them because I had
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Speaker 7: to feed them and I had to take them to school,
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Speaker 7: and I had to do the laundry, and I had
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Speaker 7: to go to the grocery store and I had to
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Speaker 7: do those things. But I was a zombie doing them
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Speaker 7: because I was so lost. Both it was so hard
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Speaker 7: for my husband.
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Speaker 8: I had.
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Speaker 7: That entire length of time that she was missing was
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Speaker 7: torture every single day. And my husband cried so much
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Speaker 7: that he wore contacts and the saline from his tears
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Speaker 7: burnt holes in his eyes, and he had get lasick
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Speaker 7: because he cried so much. And it was just this
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Speaker 7: like buffocating fear that there's nothing you can do. There's
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Speaker 7: nothing there's in the FBI and the police, and everyone
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Speaker 7: does their best to assure you that they're doing their best.
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Speaker 7: But ninety nine days is a really long time. And
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Speaker 7: did not lose faith in that time. It's very difficult,
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Speaker 7: but we did not. We maintained our faith the entire time,
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Speaker 7: and because of that, we believe that our daughter, which
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Speaker 7: was returned to us as a miracle, a miracle.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it is a miracle. It is a miracle. Mss Burns,
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Speaker 2: could could you tell me who did Haley think? With
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Speaker 2: Whom did Haley think she was communicating?
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Speaker 7: She knew she was talking to someone that was a man,
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Speaker 7: but she thought he was eighteen to twenty one. She
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Speaker 7: did not realize that he was like thirty. I mean,
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Speaker 7: he's thirty six, and at Alheim he was thirty. It
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Speaker 7: has been like he's thirty two at the time. He's
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Speaker 7: thirty six now. So she thought she was talking to
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Speaker 7: someone closer to her age. I think she thought eighteen
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Speaker 7: to twenty one at the top, like at the most
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Speaker 7: he was going to.
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Speaker 4: Be twenty one.
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Speaker 7: But he told her he was older, and that was
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Speaker 7: part of it, was I'm older and I can help
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Speaker 7: you with your mental illness.
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Speaker 4: Her mental illness.
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Speaker 2: She had an eating disorder, she had an eiding disorder,
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Speaker 2: and he totally played on that and then got her
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Speaker 2: in his closes and then starved her, starved her in
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Speaker 2: a dog cage and assaulted her. I mean, and I'm
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Speaker 2: thinking about these two little girls, Jade and Chloe. I'm
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Speaker 2: hearing what Miss Burns Haley's mom was telling us she
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Speaker 2: went through while Heley was gone. Three hundred and ninety
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Speaker 2: nine days from Mom and Dad.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 2: and mom of a little boy. I just feel like
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Speaker 2: it's like two little cherubs going into a dark forest
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Speaker 2: full of lions and tigers and bears.
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Speaker 4: That's what the internet is.
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Speaker 2: These two girls are talking to who they think is
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Speaker 2: What did they think, Alexis it was a sixteen year
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Speaker 2: old boy.
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Speaker 9: Yep, a teenage boy. But sixteen is still too old
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Speaker 9: to be talking to a twelve year old.
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Speaker 2: But in any event, getting into a car and going
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Speaker 2: off to meet a boy that you think is sixteen
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Speaker 2: years old, how did they get the car?
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Speaker 4: Let's just start at the beginning.
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Speaker 9: So Jade Gregory, who is twelve, she I guess, got
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Speaker 9: the keys from her parents and in the middle of
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Speaker 9: the night, took their car, drove it over to her
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Speaker 9: friend's house. Her friend's fourteen picked her up, and that's
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Speaker 9: Chloe Larson, and they hit the road in the middle
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Speaker 9: of the night. She just quietly snuck out of the house,
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Speaker 9: took dad's keys, backed out.
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Speaker 6: Of the driveway, and left town.
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Speaker 2: Captain Lynn Williams joining me Chief Deputy Union County Sheriff's
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Speaker 2: office there in Florida where the girls go missing. It's
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Speaker 2: late Butler, Isn't that right, Captain Lake Butler, Florida.
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Speaker 6: That's right, that's correct.
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Speaker 4: I mean, well, just trying to take this in.
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Speaker 2: How they even got out of the house, and not
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Speaker 2: one but two because the twelve year old gets out
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Speaker 2: and gets the car. Did they not have a burglar
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Speaker 2: alarm that would go off if a door opened.
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Speaker 6: No, they're at about one am.
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Speaker 5: They noticed their dog was barking, but again they didn't
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Speaker 5: think a whole lot of that, So we're thinking it
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Speaker 5: could have happened around one am. So when the parents
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Speaker 5: woke up about six am, they noticed the car was gone,
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Speaker 5: and they noticed the keys were gone obviously, and noticed
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Speaker 5: their daughter was gone. And that's when they called us
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Speaker 5: with a lot of concerns and panic.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you hear a mom like you just
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Speaker 2: heard Shawna Burns, it physically makes me feel sick.
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Speaker 6: Just very scary.
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Speaker 2: So let me understand this did the family have a
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Speaker 2: burglar alarm.
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Speaker 6: System now that I'm aware of, no so.
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Speaker 2: And actually being twelve years old, she would have known
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Speaker 2: how to hit one, two, three, four, whatever the code is. Sure,
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Speaker 2: so that's one thing. And she managed to get out.
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Speaker 2: What's the lay out of their house? Is a two
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Speaker 2: story is split? What is it?
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I've not been out to the residents.
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Speaker 5: Our investigators and deputies responded, they do live in a
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Speaker 5: house just outside of town here.
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Speaker 2: I was just trying to figure out how they got
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Speaker 2: out without how she got out without making a sound,
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Speaker 2: But she did.
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Speaker 6: And she was very quiet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazingly gets to the fourteen year old friend's house
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Speaker 2: and she also gets out without making a sound. So
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Speaker 2: take a listen to what happens next. Take a listen
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Speaker 2: to our friends at WGFL.
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Speaker 6: Because of the age, that's what concerned us.
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Speaker 10: The Union County Shar's office says the FBI is investigating
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Speaker 10: an unknown person. Deputy c twelve year old Jade Gregory
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Speaker 10: and fourteen year old Chloe Larson drove to the Florida
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Speaker 10: Alabama border. Chief Deputy Lynn Williams believes the two girls
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Speaker 10: were planning to drive to Louisiana to meet the unknown person.
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Speaker 11: That person whether or not they were trying to lure
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Speaker 11: them out there, either way, they were going out there
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Speaker 11: to meet this person.
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Speaker 10: And more from WGFL what happened, like, how are these
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Speaker 10: girls able to even drive this far?
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Speaker 11: The twelve year old child went to pick up the
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Speaker 11: fourteen year old child.
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Speaker 10: Deputy Williams says, the twelve year old stole her father's
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Speaker 10: vehicle early Thursday morning.
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Speaker 11: This isn't going to the down to the store, to
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Speaker 11: a friend's house. This is going This is crossing state lines.
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Speaker 11: This is serious And.
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Speaker 2: To you, Dean Carson joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction,
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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer in Jacksonville, former FBI agent, former cop
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Speaker 2: with Miami Day, author of arrest Proof Yourself at Delcarsonlaw
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Speaker 2: dot com. Dale, Why and Captain Williams is correct. It
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Speaker 2: takes on a different significance when you actually cross state lines,
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Speaker 2: which they did massive search ensues. Why does the state
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Speaker 2: line boundary matter?
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Speaker 6: Dale?
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Speaker 12: Well, that makes an interstate jurisdiction that the FBI is
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Speaker 12: control over. But they're much more active today when it
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Speaker 12: comes to children at the age of twelve and fourteen
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Speaker 12: to go out and look for them, because we know
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Speaker 12: that forty eight hours is a critical period of time.
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Speaker 12: And of course this is a federal charge. It's not
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Speaker 12: just something minor. There's a twenty year felony for soliciting
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Speaker 12: a child over the Internet, and it's a serious charge, obviously,
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Speaker 12: with a twenty year penalty.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at Jay Gregory right now in a picture
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Speaker 2: released by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
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Speaker 4: She looks like she's about ten. I know she's twelve.
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Speaker 2: Well when I look at that sweet little smile, and
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Speaker 2: then the other little girl.
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Speaker 4: Chloe Larson.
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Speaker 2: Wearing her glass, is just as as sweet as pie.
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Speaker 2: I mean to look at them and imagine they're on
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Speaker 2: the road heading toward Louisiana and to meet.
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Speaker 4: An unknown male they think is sixteen. Take a listen
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Speaker 4: to more.
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Speaker 10: Federal law enforcement warns parents and families to pay attention
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Speaker 10: to what your child does online. Warning technology today is
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Speaker 10: not as it was.
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Speaker 13: Platforms that children are getting onto, the encryption abilities, the
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Speaker 13: ability to disguise where you are physically at locations by VPNs,
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Speaker 13: and all those kinds of.
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Speaker 10: Techniques, stressing that children may not be able to identify
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Speaker 10: exactly who they are talking to.
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Speaker 13: Predators online are particularly sophisticated. They're really good at grooming techniques.
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Speaker 13: They're really good at falsifying who their true identity is.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a very well known child
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Speaker 2: grooming experts, social worker and author of Duck Groom Understanding
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Speaker 2: how a child becomes a target with me, Anna Sonoda, Anna,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us?
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Speaker 4: What does that mean? Grooming?
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Speaker 14: Grooming is the perverse courtship the predators use to gain
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Speaker 14: trust in order to gain access and have space and
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Speaker 14: time alone with their selected child. As you've already noted,
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Speaker 14: grooming is a selective and intentional process. An online grooming
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Speaker 14: online is kind of like bobbing for apples. You have
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Speaker 14: multiple potential victims at every turn, and apps are woefully
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Speaker 14: underregulated and there are meager protections in place, so when parents,
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Speaker 14: well intending parents, are trying to protect their children, they
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Speaker 14: often don't know where to turn because the priority for
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Speaker 14: most apps is profit not protection.
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Speaker 2: Interesting back to you, Captain Williams, hearing what Anna Sonoda
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Speaker 2: is saying.
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Speaker 4: I'm taking a look.
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Speaker 2: At County Road two thirty seven in Lake Butler. This
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Speaker 2: reminds me of the back roads where I grew up.
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Speaker 6: There is nothing, yes, ma'am, that's correct.
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Speaker 2: A lot of dense, densely wooded forest as far as
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Speaker 2: the eye can see, that's correct. And to imagine a
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Speaker 2: little twelve year old girl driving this, of course, a
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Speaker 2: missing child alert goes out immediately, sending multiple states into
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Speaker 2: a frenzy as fresh faced images of the two little
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Speaker 2: girls flashing across millions of billboards and television screens.
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Speaker 4: Just curious.
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Speaker 2: Captain Lynn Anderson, chief deputy there in Union County, how
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Speaker 2: do you coordinate a thing like that to get their
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Speaker 2: pictures out? Where do you get the pictures? How do
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Speaker 2: you get the pictures? How do you get them on TV?
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Speaker 2: How do you get them on billboards? How did you
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Speaker 2: do that so quickly?
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Speaker 5: Well, our school resource stepies were very essential, so we
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Speaker 5: contacted them. They know them with interaction at school, They
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Speaker 5: know who their friends are, they knew who to contact.
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Speaker 5: They were able to retrieve pictures of them from the school,
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Speaker 5: so we were able.
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Speaker 6: To use that. We even pulled up school cameras. We
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Speaker 6: were even.
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Speaker 5: Able to see that she was in the vehicle that
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Speaker 5: she drove right in front of the school. By using
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Speaker 5: some of those school cameras, we were able to see
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Speaker 5: that to identify the time frame. So so we already
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Speaker 5: knew that they had a head start on us, So
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Speaker 5: it was very urgent for us to get this stuff
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Speaker 5: out there quick.
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Speaker 6: If they had left.
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Speaker 5: Around one two am, you know, and now it's already
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Speaker 5: six am when they were discovered missing, we had to
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Speaker 5: jump on this quick.
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Speaker 6: So it took a.
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Speaker 5: Lot of resources, a lot of agencies.
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Speaker 6: We put this out there.
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Speaker 5: We contacted Florida Department of Law Enforcement, We contacted Missing
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Speaker 5: Children Information Center. They were essential in getting these flyers
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Speaker 5: made up. We put it on social media, you know,
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Speaker 5: just trying to notify all the states. You know, we
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Speaker 5: had a possible ending location, you know about to uge
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Speaker 5: Is where she was headed. So and there's one road
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Speaker 5: that goes out there, Interstate ten.
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Speaker 4: Which is very very heavily traveled it.
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Speaker 2: That is one of the interstates that dopers use, mules use.
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Speaker 2: The dope comes in down in Florida and the mules
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Speaker 2: take the dope up ten or seventy five and a
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Speaker 2: huge amount of my homicide prosecutions dealt with the dope.
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Speaker 2: Trake is one of the first places you stop pit
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Speaker 2: stop is Atlanta, and if you go ten, you can
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Speaker 2: go straight on up to baton rouge guys, the pitfalls
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Speaker 2: that these children endure. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 2: twelve from our friend John Chriso's describing a little thirteen
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Speaker 2: year old girl, Elisa Kozykevitch.
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Speaker 15: When she was only thirteen, she was groomed, lured, and
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Speaker 15: abducted by an inner predator, Scott Tyree, who.
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Speaker 16: Kidnapped me and held me captive in his basement dungeon,
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Speaker 16: and he was going to kill.
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Speaker 15: Me, her disappear and setting off a massive four day
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Speaker 15: nationwide search. While Tyree kept Alicia chained to the floor
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Speaker 15: at his home in Virginia.
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Speaker 16: He had been live streaming what he was doing to
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Speaker 16: me online. And I turned on the computer and there
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Speaker 16: I was on the screen with my hands bound above
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Speaker 16: my head, crying, bleeding, begging, bruised. In between the beatings
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Speaker 16: and the raping, he will hang you by your arms.
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Speaker 15: In two thousand and eight, she testified in Congress in
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Speaker 15: supportive legislation intended to prevent cyber crimes against children and
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Speaker 15: the increasing amount of photos and videos of child abuse.
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Speaker 16: Support the Children, Save us from pedophiles, the pornographers, the monsters.
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Speaker 15: The bill passed in the House and the Senate.
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Speaker 4: You were hearing the.
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Speaker 2: Voice of Alisha Kasekevitch speaking Lord online at age thirteen,
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Speaker 2: the age of the two little girls, one twelve, one fourteen,
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Speaker 2: wearing a choke dog collar, chained, bolted to the floor,
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Speaker 2: held with her arms over her head, raped, sodomized, beaten, threatened,
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Speaker 2: all of it live streamed. You know how bad it
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Speaker 2: is when another child pornographer sees it and calls authorities
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Speaker 2: admitting that he's watching child pornography. It's that bad thirteen
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Speaker 2: year old girl lured online. And then there is Nicole Lovel.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirteen. Our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 17: The police say she snuck away to meet this man,
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Speaker 17: and why wouldn't she have trusted him? David Eisenhower was
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Speaker 17: a track star, good looking, successful.
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Speaker 18: I realize in the moment that I am doing things
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Speaker 18: that other people wish they could be doing.
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Speaker 6: He'd even been on television.
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Speaker 18: And yet I still have goals for myself because there
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Speaker 18: are people who are better than me, and I will
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Speaker 18: personally not stop until I reach my peak performance.
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Speaker 6: But Nicole never came back.
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Speaker 17: Soon, almost one thousand volunteers were searching, and authorities scoured
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Speaker 17: for Leeds until they were able to track the last
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Speaker 17: messages from Nicole's phone, leading them to Eisenhower.
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Speaker 13: The investigation led us to eighteen year old David E.
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Speaker 6: Asenhower, a Virginia Tech student.
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Speaker 4: With Eisenhower in custody.
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Speaker 17: Authorities soon locate Nichole's body eighty miles away in North Carolina.
23:38
Speaker 17: It's about two miles from a home owned by his
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Speaker 17: extended family.
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Speaker 11: I'm sure that the something that Nicole's family would like
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Speaker 11: to know is why does she have to end up here?
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Speaker 11: Lift in this condition and discarded in the manner she
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Speaker 11: was little?
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Speaker 2: Nicole ends up dad completely naked, murdered, her body, wiped
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Speaker 2: damn with alcohol, wet wives so as not to leave
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Speaker 2: any DNA behind, and just thrown thrown on the side
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Speaker 2: of the road to be found like trash after having
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Speaker 2: been lured by an online predator. Shauna Burns, how is
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Speaker 2: your daughter recovering after over thirteen months in captivity by
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Speaker 2: an online predator.
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Speaker 7: It's a very very slow process and a long long road,
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Speaker 7: but we are doing as best as can be expected.
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Speaker 7: She has an amazing support system around her, and myself
24:45
Speaker 7: and my husband one hundred percent support her in every
24:48
Speaker 7: decision that she's making, and she's doing really well. We're
24:52
Speaker 7: very proud of her. We're all doing as well as
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Speaker 7: can be expected.
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Speaker 2: You know, it never ends to doctor Dan Anderson joining
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Speaker 2: us forensic psycho hoologist. You can find doctor Dana at
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Speaker 2: psychologydoctor dot com. When you suffer any type of a
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Speaker 2: severe emotional or mental trauma, it affects the way you
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Speaker 2: live the rest of your life. You don't just get well,
25:18
Speaker 2: it affects everything. Let me project when my fiance was
25:23
Speaker 2: murdered shortly before our wedding, there was that it was
25:27
Speaker 2: dropping out of school, there was losing down to eighty
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Speaker 2: nine pounds. I finally went back to school, and not
25:34
Speaker 2: to become a school teacher as I plan, but to
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Speaker 2: become a prosecutor. But it affects the way I couldn't
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Speaker 2: even consider remarrying for over twenty years. It's the way
25:46
Speaker 2: I look at the world now like something can and
25:50
Speaker 2: very likely will something bad happen. I have to watch
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Speaker 2: the children like a hawk because what happened before, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it changes everything. So you think your child is doing fine,
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Speaker 2: but it will be there the rest of her life.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I have a devastating emotional impact obviously not just
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Speaker 8: for the victim or the victims that we're talking about today,
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Speaker 8: but the family and the loved ones that experienced that trauma. Recently,
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Speaker 8: I listened to thirty seven molestation stories as part of
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Speaker 8: a civil lawsuit, and that was traumatic. Each story that
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Speaker 8: you intensely listen to or experience or try to understand it,
26:44
Speaker 8: you have trauma, and it can take It's a lot
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Speaker 8: to handle, and even just hearing one experience, but the
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Speaker 8: emotional attachment.
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Speaker 6: You have for your loved ones.
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Speaker 8: I know I have seven siblings and I've had several
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Speaker 8: that have been you know, sexually abused or raped or
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Speaker 8: things that have happened, and that it is so traumatizing
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Speaker 8: and so horrific because you feel so connected to those people,
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Speaker 8: you love them so much, and it feels like it
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Speaker 8: also kind of happened to you because you love them
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Speaker 8: so much and are so deeply connected. So I sympathize
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Speaker 8: with the mothers here today and the families that is
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Speaker 8: held on to hope as their little girls were out there.
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Speaker 8: I can't even imagine the type of trauma that that
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Speaker 8: feels like. And all I can say is that it
27:47
Speaker 8: takes time, but it is. It is a lasting scar
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Speaker 8: that goes very deep.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing forensic psychologist doctor Dana Anderson at psychologydoctor
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Speaker 2: dot com. You know, so, it's hard to fathom how
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Speaker 2: far and to what lengths online predators will go to
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Speaker 2: snare their child victim to have sex with them. Take
28:13
Speaker 2: a listen to our cut nineteen from WISN. You're never
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Speaker 2: gonna believe what this pedophile did to get to his victim.
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Speaker 4: Listen.
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Speaker 19: Tommy Lee Jenkins' first conviction on child sex charges was
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Speaker 19: in twenty eleven. Now he's charged In a new investigation
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Speaker 19: document show Jenkins used Facebook to communicate with someone he
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Speaker 19: thought was fourteen. It was actually an undercover deputy who
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Speaker 19: asked do you care I'm fourteen and drink Jenkins reply,
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Speaker 19: According to the records, No prosecutors claimed Jenkins initiated the
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Speaker 19: topic of sex and wanted the undercover to send a
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Speaker 19: picture with no shirt no pens, asking when you get here,
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Speaker 19: would you like to have sex with me? The undercover
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Speaker 19: responded yes, and Jenkins allegedly told the undercover he planned
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Speaker 19: to walk nearly four hundred miles from Whitstown, Indiana, to
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Speaker 19: Wisconsin to meet for sex. On the way Prosecutors claim
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Speaker 19: Jenkins documented the trip with selfies and pictures of exit signs,
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Speaker 19: and on Thursday record show, Jenkins told the undercover he
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Speaker 19: made it to Wisconsin and wanted to have five hundred
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Speaker 19: kids before we are with God. Instead, Jenkins found investigators
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Speaker 19: waiting to take him back to jail.
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Speaker 2: To Annistonota child grooming expert and author of Duck Groom, Anna,
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Speaker 2: did you hear that this known sex offender walks walks
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Speaker 2: four hundred miles to get to a fourteen year old
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Speaker 2: girl for sex and then immediately announcing.
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Speaker 4: I want to have five hundred kids with you.
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Speaker 2: Translation, I want to get you and the cheapest motel
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Speaker 2: I can find and rape you.
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Speaker 6: That's what that means, Nancy.
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Speaker 14: It's an appalling example of how intentional and determined predators are.
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Speaker 14: They are patient hunters, and oftentimes, especially in these adolescent situations,
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Speaker 14: they've capitalized on adolescent angst anger or animosity in their.
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Speaker 6: Lives or caregivers.
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Speaker 14: And that is an incredibly vulnerable place for any adolescent
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Speaker 14: girl to be in.
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Speaker 6: And I think this.
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Speaker 14: Case gives us an example for every family to learn
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Speaker 14: from about what parents can do about having conversations about
30:23
Speaker 14: making sure devices are open, and that we're regulating use,
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Speaker 14: and that we're monitoring and not only just using and
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Speaker 14: relying on software, but that we're following up. We're checking
30:33
Speaker 14: through all communications, all text messages. We know that the
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Speaker 14: majority of young girls online produce content in their bathrooms
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Speaker 14: and their bedrooms, the two most private places in your home.
30:45
Speaker 14: So we need to be having and encouraging parents to
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Speaker 14: be engaged and fully aware of all online use, including
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Speaker 14: solitary contact that may be happening through DMS or through
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Speaker 14: online chats.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just the threat of the person you're
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Speaker 2: communicating with. At the other end of the line, there
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Speaker 2: is the specter of sex trafficking, not just one rapist,
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Speaker 2: but many. Take a listener to our friends at kfor
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Speaker 2: and CUT twenty two.
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Speaker 12: There were a number of people involved with not only
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Speaker 12: this girl, but others.
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Speaker 6: But we did everything we could define this girl.
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Speaker 20: The list keeps growing and the number of people arrested
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Speaker 20: in a sex trafficking ring. Oklahoma City Police have announced
31:28
Speaker 20: five more arrests in connection to the Missing Texas Team
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Speaker 20: found Safe in Oklahoma City that now brings the total
31:34
Speaker 20: to eight people in custody.
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Speaker 18: This girl is a juvenile and she was in the
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Speaker 18: company of sex traffickers.
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Speaker 20: The fifteen year old was seen leaving a Dallas Mavericks
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Speaker 20: basketball game with men two weeks ago. A week later,
31:47
Speaker 20: naked photos of a team appearing on a website known
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Speaker 20: for prostitution.
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Speaker 12: Last Thursday, a number of these people played a role
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Speaker 12: in trying to get this girl trafficked for purposes of sex.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: To you, Alexis Tereschuk, it's not just the threat of
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Speaker 2: whoever you're.
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Speaker 4: Communicating with them online.
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Speaker 2: It's the possibility of the child getting sex trafficked and
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Speaker 2: also ending up dead.
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Speaker 6: Alexis, it is and that's the thing.
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Speaker 9: And I want to point out that it's not just
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Speaker 9: on like the dark web where these girls are going.
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Speaker 9: They're not sophisticated to internet girls. They're just like on
32:41
Speaker 9: video game chat rooms, you know, where they're playing games.
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Speaker 9: You know the man that we spoke about, he was
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Speaker 9: on a Yashoo chat room.
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Speaker 6: It's so easy for these girls. We don't so.
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Speaker 9: Yes, many of these men are sex trackers. So they
32:52
Speaker 9: will take these.
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Speaker 6: Young, young, young girls.
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Speaker 9: They will abuse them, immediately, assault them, torture them, and
32:58
Speaker 9: that just breaks their souls and then they just pass
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Speaker 9: them around to all of these different people and the
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Speaker 9: discussing motels. And this is something that the police are
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Speaker 9: working on so hard to stop because once these girls
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Speaker 9: get into a system like that, it is so hard
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Speaker 9: to get them out. They're so sophisticated at hiding them
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Speaker 9: that they often can never be heard from again.
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Speaker 2: The horrible truth is that once they get into the
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking ring, they're practically lost. It's very hard to
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Speaker 2: find them because sex traffickers. Isn't this true. Let me
33:38
Speaker 2: go out to the sheriff chief Deputy of Union County.
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Speaker 2: Once the child is sex trafficked, one of the goals
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Speaker 2: of the six traffickers are to hide the child. They
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Speaker 2: go from motel to motel, they go from town to town,
33:51
Speaker 2: like from one part of LA to another part of
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Speaker 2: LA to another city in California, and the child becomes
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Speaker 2: so disoriented, front drugged and beaten.
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Speaker 4: They don't even know where they are.
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Speaker 5: Oh sure, they want to hide the crime. They want
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Speaker 5: to hide themselves. They want to hide the victim. Definitely, yes,
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Speaker 5: they want to be off the map.
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Speaker 4: And they do it.
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Speaker 2: They get the child so drugged and beaten, the child
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Speaker 2: has no idea where they are anymore what hotel they're in,
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Speaker 2: They're moved during the night, and the child only knows
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Speaker 2: that they are being raped and sodomized by a series
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Speaker 2: of men. Okay, twelve year old sounds pretty young to
34:33
Speaker 2: be twelve year twelve year old girl driving through the night.
34:37
Speaker 2: What about eleven years old trying to meet an online predator?
34:41
Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut eighteen from WLTX Charleston.
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Speaker 21: Polies have now reunited an eleven year old boy from
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Speaker 21: Simpsonville with his family after the boy drove two hundred
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Speaker 21: miles throughout the night.
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Speaker 6: Please say that.
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Speaker 21: The boy was going out to the coast to meet
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Speaker 21: a man he met on Snapchat. Around midnight, the boy
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Speaker 21: pulled up alongside an officer and told him that he
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Speaker 21: had just driven three hours and he was lost because
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Speaker 21: his GPS signal didn't work. Fortunately, the officer was able
35:11
Speaker 21: to connect the child with his father, who then came
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Speaker 21: to pick him up. Authority say that the boy used
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Speaker 21: his older brother's car to make the trip and that
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Speaker 21: his father was in the process of reporting him missing
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Speaker 21: to police. Police have not identified a suspect yet and
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Speaker 21: this case remains under investigation.
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Speaker 2: So this little eleven year old boy meets a predator,
35:33
Speaker 2: and it was a grown man, as it turned out
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Speaker 2: online who convinces the little boy to steal a car
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Speaker 2: and drive all the way through the night. And some
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Speaker 2: would call it a coincidence. I call it a miracle.
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Speaker 4: Out of the blue.
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Speaker 2: Out of the blue, the little boy's GPS quits working
35:55
Speaker 2: and he pulls over. I believe it's at a Burger
35:57
Speaker 2: King to try to reboot his GP. Y in sitting
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Speaker 2: right there in the Burger King parking lot was a
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Speaker 2: deputy sheriff, a cop ellie law enforcement, much like Captain
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Speaker 2: Lynn Williams who sees an eleven year old at the
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Speaker 2: wheel at two o'clock in the morning and investigates and
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Speaker 2: saves the boy's life. The other case is that our
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Speaker 2: similar transactions to this do not end as well, with
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Speaker 2: the child raped, sodomized, sex trafficked, or dead. Take us
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Speaker 2: now to our cut nine. David Snyder, WCJB.
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Speaker 22: We have new details tonight about the two young runaways
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Speaker 22: from Lake Butler who drove themselves to Alabama.
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Speaker 4: Union County.
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Speaker 22: S Sheriff's investigators say the pair left hone to meet
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Speaker 22: someone on the internet. The missing childer was issued one
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Speaker 22: week ago for twelve year old Jade Gregory and fourteen
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Speaker 22: year old Chloe Larson. Deputy say Gregory stole her dad's
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Speaker 22: car and started driving to Louisiana with Larson. The two
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Speaker 22: girls were stopped before they could destination.
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Speaker 6: The next day.
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Speaker 22: FBI agents are now trying to find out who they
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Speaker 22: were supposed to meet.
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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Captain Lynn Williams, chief deputy there
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Speaker 2: in Union County, tell me about your search for these
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Speaker 2: two girls and how you found them.
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Speaker 5: All right, So, we contacted numerous agencies that were involved,
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Speaker 5: everyone from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to the FBI,
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Speaker 5: because you know, again given the time frame, we were
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Speaker 5: afraid that they were going to cross over state lines
37:30
Speaker 5: by the time again we're talking about a five hour
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Speaker 5: delay before we were even notified that they could be
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Speaker 5: possibly missing when they were discovered. So we had the
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Speaker 5: FBI involved in this. We had again the Missing Endangered
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Speaker 5: Children Unit. We contacted the Florida Highway Patrol since they
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Speaker 5: were on the interstate, believed to have been on the interstate.
37:48
Speaker 5: We contacted Bache and Rouge Police Department in case they
37:51
Speaker 5: did make it to the location that we thought they
37:53
Speaker 5: were going to and we had everybody would put them
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Speaker 5: into our local, state national computers. We immediately started doing
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Speaker 5: media releases, getting their photos out there, getting everybody notified,
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Speaker 5: just trying to trying to flood the internet with their
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Speaker 5: picture to look for them. And that's what ended up
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Speaker 5: their rescue, getting them.
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Speaker 4: Tell me about the rescue itself.
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Speaker 2: How did that happen?
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Speaker 5: So due to the success of having their photo out
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Speaker 5: there in so many states and all the way across
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Speaker 5: to iten, we were under We understood that the girls
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Speaker 5: went to a convenience store. When they went in the
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Speaker 5: convenience store again, Jade left without her phone. Chloe didn't
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Speaker 5: have a phone, so we were not able to do
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Speaker 5: traditional means of tracking them through through that type of stuff,
38:46
Speaker 5: so we had to get creative to try to try
38:49
Speaker 5: to find them and locate them. With all of that,
38:54
Speaker 5: we understand that they did have a device with them.
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Speaker 5: We had the IP address, and we were trying to
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Speaker 5: ping different social media accounts of them, and they went
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Speaker 5: into a store in Alabama and made contact with some
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Speaker 5: friends who said and showed them their picture. And once
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Speaker 5: they realized the national coverage of all of this, they
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Speaker 5: ended their journey and went and turned themselves into the
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Speaker 5: local police department in Alabama.
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Speaker 2: You know what you're reminding me of, Captain Lynn Williams
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Speaker 2: joining us from Union County Sheriff's office, and Alexis I
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Speaker 2: recall you and I discussing it at the time, the
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Speaker 2: case of Dylan and Shasta Grownie who were kidnapped by
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Speaker 2: a predator in cour Delaine, Idaho, which is all rural.
39:43
Speaker 2: A convenience store worker recognized Shasta from the coverage, much
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Speaker 2: like the coverage you generated, Captain Williams, and it saved
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Speaker 2: Shasta's life. Dylan had already been murdered by the perpetrator after.
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Speaker 4: Non stop rapes.
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Speaker 2: And sodomies, but Shasta's life was saved, you know, Captain Williams.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what would have happened if some man
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Speaker 2: had picked them up at a gas station or truck
40:20
Speaker 2: stop in the middle of the night while they go
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Speaker 2: in to get a soda or a candy bar. Can
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Speaker 2: you even imagine?
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Speaker 5: It scares us to death to think about it. I mean,
40:30
Speaker 5: just like you said, at their age twelve and fourteen,
40:33
Speaker 5: out on their own, yeah, I mean that was our
40:37
Speaker 5: biggest fear. You know, we again, we said, no foul
40:41
Speaker 5: play expected. At the time, we were not sure of
40:46
Speaker 5: who they were planning to go meet, and you know,
40:49
Speaker 5: we had a potential city of Baton Rouge.
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Speaker 6: I know that that's a.
40:54
Speaker 5: Long ways for two young girls on their own again
40:58
Speaker 5: in the middle of the night, to go out there.
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Speaker 5: I can't even imagine my daughter, you know, trying to
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Speaker 5: make a journey like that. So yes, we treated this
41:07
Speaker 5: very serious.
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Speaker 2: To Shawna Burns, Hailey Burns's mother, her daughter lured by
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Speaker 2: an online predator. Ms Burns, what is your message to
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Speaker 2: Jade and close parents and to all the other moms
41:25
Speaker 2: and dads they're listening right now.
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Speaker 7: First of all, I want to say how important it
41:31
Speaker 7: is that the law enforcement work together, because the exact
41:34
Speaker 7: same thing happened in our case. If we had not
41:38
Speaker 7: had the FBI and the Georgia Bureaus investigation and the
41:41
Speaker 7: local police, if they had not worked so well together
41:45
Speaker 7: so quickly, we would not have been able to rescue
41:48
Speaker 7: our daughter the way that we were. And that is
41:50
Speaker 7: so integral that law enforcement works with each other. I
41:54
Speaker 7: just want to say, like that is that is the
41:56
Speaker 7: difference I think in our story and other stories is
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Speaker 7: in law enforcement works together because it's very, very very important.
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Speaker 7: In our case, we had the first message we received
42:08
Speaker 7: was at eight forty seven, and then by twelve oh
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Speaker 7: nine we had her. So within four hours of the
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Speaker 7: first message we have found her, but only with the
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Speaker 7: help of all of the people involved. And I want
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Speaker 7: to say to any other parents out there, the number
42:23
Speaker 7: one thing that I always say is we lost sight
42:27
Speaker 7: of Hayley. We only saw Hailey's behavior problems. We only
42:32
Speaker 7: saw her getting in trouble at school, we only saw
42:34
Speaker 7: her failing, We only saw her being a problem. We
42:39
Speaker 7: lost sight of the little girl that's still in there,
42:42
Speaker 7: that still wants her mom and still wants her dad
42:44
Speaker 7: to love her and be proud of her. And when
42:46
Speaker 7: you stop doing that, that is when they can come in. So,
42:51
Speaker 7: no matter what, you have to make sure that your
42:53
Speaker 7: kids know that they love them, no matter what, you
42:57
Speaker 7: were always going to be there for them, because it's
42:59
Speaker 7: not That's how those predators grew them, that's how they
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Speaker 7: do it.
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Speaker 2: This was a miracle. This was a miracle. These two
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Speaker 2: girls were saved. Captain Lynn Williams. If you never do
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Speaker 2: another good thing for the rest of your tenure, which
43:17
Speaker 2: I highly doubt, I'm pretty sure you got your angels wings.
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Speaker 12: Uh huh.
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Speaker 5: Well, we made a promise to the parents that we
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Speaker 5: were going to find them and bring them back safe,
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Speaker 5: and we fulfilled that we brought them back safely.
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Speaker 2: For everyone listening right now, I hope you hear the
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Speaker 2: words of Shawna Burns to never leave sight of that
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Speaker 2: little child.
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Speaker 4: Goodbye, friend,