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'Empty at Embdys' w/ Dougie Smith (Mickey 9s/ The Dougies) · You Call That Radio?

• 0:03
  Speaker A: I think we are live, as you call that Radio Sunday double dinner. I've got my Mickey Names T shirt on. But we're not here to talk about the Mickey names, but we have the Mickey Names frontman Diggy Diggy here, who's celebrating the launch of his debut solo album, the Diggies. Or is that right? Or is that side project or just a new band?
• 0:30
  Speaker B: Just depends what you want to call it. Yeah, it's definitely the debut album of the Doogies, but not the debut solo album, because also made an album under Color Wheel a few years ago.
• 0:39
  Speaker A: I remember that.
• 0:41
  Speaker B: But.
• 0:42
  Speaker A: Yeah, so. But the Doogies has band members or.
• 0:48
  Speaker B: Yes, so it's a bit of a mixture. So basically I was jamming in the studio with Ja. I think you know Ja, the drummer.
• 1:03
  Speaker A: I know Ja, the drummer very well. Yeah, yeah, great drummer.
• 1:06
  Speaker B: Yeah, great, great drummer, great guy. And Mark from the Jaya Babies as well.
• 1:14
  Speaker A: The other Mark.
• 1:15
  Speaker B: No, me, I call him. I call you the other Mark.
• 1:18
  Speaker A: All right, that's fine. Yeah, the fake Mark. I've actually just been. I've been doing the. I've been working on a lyric book and I have to just call him Teeth. I just been calling him Teeth since he joined the band because it's. That's his. I think that's his preferred name. I don't know. So his Teeth, rather than saying Mark, because other Marks sound slightly disrespectful. So. Yeah, and he's also got two surnames as well, and I'm never really sure which one he prefers. So, yeah, Teeth, Teeth, Mark, yep.
• 1:51
  Speaker B: Teeth Mark. That's a good name, actually. Yeah, and he's been great bringing the. Bringing the punk. And. And also a guy called. Well, he kind of goes by many names. You don't know what I mean by that, but basically he's called Joseph Martin and in many ways it was actually him that kind of got it started. I mean, I had all the songs written and I kind of. I knew what I wanted to do with it, but it was him messaging me on Facebook saying, oh, if you're, you know, if you're looking for a bassist, I'd like to. Like to play. And so basically just. I put a Facebook post saying, I've got a bassist, just need a drummer. And then there's only one reply, and that was Ja. So it's basically the band just immediately formed in the space of like 10 minutes, and then I just needed to get another guitarist. So that was Mark. I think I just saw him at a Gyro's gig and Just asked him if he wanted to come and jam. Also Claire Mimameru, Mima Mero.
• 2:58
  Speaker A: Maima Mero. Maima Mero Gyro's key square and singer and just made an album of her own this week where with her. Her new band.
• 3:12
  Speaker B: Is that. Is that the same band? Is that still. Is it still called My Maero?
• 3:17
  Speaker A: It's still called My Mamero. It's just very. It's just very different. She just kind of. Because obviously the first album was under the name My Maero kind of came out over. Well, I think it was still right in the middle of Lockdown because we. She actually launched it on the show. So it was like some acoustic versions and stuff. But that was also. That was like a very kind of sort of 4K ballady sound. And then if you've seen them recently with the full band it's. It's completely different. It's more theatrical and loud and brass sections and stuff like that. So. But it's an amazing. I know all the band members and they're all very good and they've been in a studio in Stornoway for four days we recording that. So I'm really looking forward to hearing what that sounds like. It's going to be completely different. It's kind of like a new band but it's still My Mero.
• 4:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I think I saw the. A couple of clips of them recording it in that studio and Lewis looks amazing. So. And I think it's going to be sort of festival ready kind of tunes, you know what I mean? Sort of got that theatricality and it's going to be kind of upbeat as well. So. Yeah, and you have to get a guy at a festival if you've got capes. So. Yeah. So yeah, so she. She came along as well for quite a lot of sessions as well on the Keys. But obviously with her own projects and stuff she just wanted to focus on that, which is obviously understandable. She's making her own album but so that was. And we've played a few gigs together as well. Just a few gigs here and there. Including your festival in Arin, which was fun.
• 4:57
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 4:59
  Speaker B: But I was gonna say. Yeah. So I record. They've played on one recording though. So I've only managed actually record that band was on one song which is basically the punk version of Ass man which I kind of did a remix or dance remix of it. So I recorded the album with James Grant who is the drummer and Mark Sharp and the Bicycle Thieves and he's also a Sort of professional producer and recording engineer. So he has his own little studio in his. In his flat and he's a sort of multi instrumentalist, really talented guys. So basically me and him kind of basically recorded it together. So I had. And yeah, so we just kind of. I would record the guitars and he would do the drums in the bass, and then we would kind of muck about with other things and see what happens. But basically. Yeah, so it's been. It's been fun. I actually finished recording it probably about this time last year some. Well, maybe that's not quite true, but let's say that for talking.
• 6:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you had quite a lot. Definitely. I'm thinking it must have been about a year ago that you were playing me. That was. I was. You played some tunes. Because I remember quite a raft in new tunes. Well, Mickey Nines tunes and Dougie's tunes. You were playing.
• 6:26
  Speaker B: Yeah. And so essentially it's because I've been kind of just releasing one single a month since February. So now that's basically 10 months ago, roughly. And so 10 songs on the album kind of thing. But I've also been recorded. I've recorded another album since then, which is. I've just finished it, so that's kind of coming up. So I've kind of got a bit of a complicated situation where I've got the Doogies album and then I've made this other album. And so the other album is a kind of slightly different. It's a different genre. It's not as kind of. It's not like Diggies is basically indie pop from when I was 17, so basically early 2000s, 2005 or something like that. And that's kind of like all this. The style of the songs is kind of an ode to those good old days type of thing. But I've also made this other album which is kind of more, let's say, up to date or something. Like. I mean, more not nostalgic, more just like me now, like, mature or whatever. And so I'm going to rebrand that as Shaggy Mongo and that's going to be the new artist. So I've got. What I've got to try and do is figure out how to kind of balance the two things. So I think what I'm going to do is do the Doogies album launch in February and McCool's, although it's not actually booked yet, it's got a pencil, so I've not got the date yet, and then basically play the Doogies album launch and then after It. The Shaggy Mongo will start, which is just the same behind, but it's a different genre. And that's kind of like the transition. And then I'll kind of hook up the two projects by calling the Doogies Shaggy Bungo and the Doogies. So you've got Shoggy Bungo and then you've got Shoggy Mongo and the Doggies. So that. That would just help people. I think they would know what they were coming to see if it was a gig. Because the Doogies is very kind of. It's its own thing. It's like that kind of. And Landfill Indy. And not everybody likes that.
• 8:20
  Speaker A: I don't like that.
• 8:21
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 8:21
  Speaker A: Set. This I like. There's a few song. There's a few songs in the album that I absolutely love. But I don't mean so much. Your stuff. I like. I like your stuff. Obviously. It's just the. That pop punk thing I missed it by. I must have missed it by Boyer. I just. I think he's also Br Pop because Bri Pop happened. And then I was kind of like an. Like a bargain bin digger for obscure Enemies bands I hear about in the Enemy and stuff like that. So I was kind of sort of getting sort of making American Stonery stuff. And then I think I went straight to techno after that. So I didn't. All this pop punk stuff. It blows my mind that this was popular. I was. I was.
• 9:07
  Speaker B: I loved.
• 9:08
  Speaker A: I loved it. The country as well. So when I came back and there just, you know, people liking this stuff. I don't know. A couple years.
• 9:15
  Speaker B: You're just a couple years older. So, like. Because I was the right age at the right time.
• 9:19
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 9:19
  Speaker B: Like Green day and Blink 182, when you were a teenager were very, very cool.
• 9:25
  Speaker A: Green Day. Well, I remember Green Days, The. The MTV era. Green Day. And that was. They were great Basket case and stuff.
• 9:32
  Speaker B: That's kind of what I'm talking about. That. The early days.
• 9:34
  Speaker A: But yeah, Blink 100, Blink 102 is where I'm. I'm out. I was out again.
• 9:39
  Speaker B: Blink Money too. I think I loved. Like, they were my favorite band when I was like 13. And then I probably never listened to them again, like, because I kind of got into everything else. But there was a period there where I just loved them. Do you know what I mean? So. And I still got a bit of a soft spot for the hits kind of thing. So it's just a bit of a kind of throwback to that. But I think they definitely captured that teenager rebellion. Rebel Without a cause kind of thing. Sort of pure humor, like just being a dick kind of thing. And they've got great catchy tunes at the end of the day. So, you know, I mean, I think as well. I think they're maybe going to get a bit of a. I think they were massive. And then they were kind of dismissed as this sort of almost like pop boy band because they kind of are a boy band anyway. But they are also are genuinely a punk band that were a bunch of dafties from school who dropped. Dropped out of high school start band. Like they are genuine. Like. I mean they're not a fake product like Busters or something. But they just became Busted.
• 10:45
  Speaker A: They're a fake product.
• 10:47
  Speaker B: Were they not? I thought they were like a kind of cow thing.
• 10:49
  Speaker A: I don't. I don't know. I don't know.
• 10:51
  Speaker B: They might not be, no offense, Busted, but I just always thought that was the case. Might be wrong.
• 10:56
  Speaker A: McFly, they were a boy band with guitars. It was basically because boy bands had went. They went too far with boy bands. Was too many boy bands and had been done. So what they did was they started putting. Making boy bands with guitars.
• 11:13
  Speaker B: Yeah. I think like American pop punk from the late 90s into the 2000s was kind of probably not liked by a lot of punks who are like a punk's got to be grittier and it's got to be more political and it's got to be whatever. But it was just teenagers being stupid, just playing three card rock. So in a way it was just kind of like classic punk. It was just in that kind of more American, California, California kind of accent. So I kind of. Yeah. I mean I kind of looking back on it, I'm like, do you know what? Great tunes, great attitudes. The bands were good. So, you know, I'm not. I'm. No. No. AP.
• 11:49
  Speaker A: Is any of the band still looking back has. Have they lasted the test of time? Like is there anything that I could. Because I. That. Because I was always. I'm quite dismissive of the. Of the sort of pop punk is that it's the accent that really that. Yeah. You're the California.
• 12:06
  Speaker B: Yeah. Oh really? Yeah, totally. I know the accent is annoying, but you just kind of get used to it. But I think the first. The first three Green Day albums hold up extremely well. They're still. That's really good. And Enemy of the state, the Blink 182 album, like is just put on your teenage hat, pretend that you're 13 and you're like, you Know, you're sticking the Vickies up at the teacher behind the back or whatever, then you're in the right men's mindset for it. That album is just tune after tune. Every single song on it is like a. A hat. And again, they. They, like, they wrote all. You know, they wrote their own music. Like, they. It was that like another not the Doogies album. It's not just Blingwin 82. There's just like a little bit of Blank Winter Influencer, a couple of songs. It's out now on Austrian platforms. I think he's back. Oh, make. Stop working. I think you're muted. Oh, I still can't hear you. Can't hear you. Is it just me? Hello?
• 13:37
  Speaker A: I can, you know, hear me one. Yeah, cool. Sorry about that, guys. I'm. I tried to. I tried to upgrade the. Well, I'm working on my studios over there that's going to be ready when I come back from the Irish tour. I just need to get. You went on that to. For it. To handle it. So even that microphone, this new webcam, which is great. The Internet I have is island Internet, so it's just not ready for a decent camera or a decent microphone. So I've just switched back to a laptop microphone and a laptop camera and. Yeah. But when I come back from the Irish tour and the gig in Edinburgh on the 14th of November, when I come back, I'll have proper Internet. So apologies for that. That rude interruption. And who's tuned in? Nissan. All right. That's always loving the new album. It says Stephen Holland, We Sunday Chill. Nice one. Marque and Skip Green. No, it was. It was really about the. I like Green Day. It was. It was written about the. I think it was Wake Me Up When September Ends that connect. That's when it started.
• 14:52
  Speaker B: I'm not a fan of that either, like. But again, that's just because I was older. I wasn't a teenager by that point. Like. Well, I was, but I wasn't like a young teenager. I was probably about 17 or 18 by that point, so. But anyway, yeah, it's kind of. The album was influenced a bit by that. There's a few tunes, but I would say probably just the general kind of indie of those years, so. Like Arcade Fire and the Libertines and other bands that are considered to be a bit cooler. There's a bit. There's a lot. There's a lot of that as well. The Smiths and it's definitely a big influence on. On one song, which is like, genuinely.
• 15:27
  Speaker A: It's called do you live the Smiths. Can you explain that a bit more? What's that all about? So the title Smiths is, I'm sure, deliberately so.
• 15:35
  Speaker B: It's just deliberately because I've written this song about all these bad things happened to me in a row. And so I'd written this song that was a kind of like poor me misery guts kind of song, which is very kind of Morrissey esque, but with a, you know, tongue in cheek about like. Morrissey didn't deliberately do it like Morrissey, but after I finished it was like, oh, it's quite. It's kind of like a poor Me song. So then I kind of deliberately tried to write it such that it would have that Smith's jaunty, upbeat, kind of bouncy, jangly guitars and things over the top. Basically, I broke. I fell into a drainage ditch and broke my ankle, which had all these different kind of consequences which are kind of all explained in the song, basically. So it's just like one thing led to another. I also slightly embellished a couple of things that weren't completely true but just, you know, exaggerated a little bit. But again, Dougie has left this mess as a kind of reference of modesty. Fired the, I think Andy Rourke, the bassist, by leaving a post it note on his car window that just said Andy has left the Smiths. 20 years later. Andy works modestly for like £30 million in one. So it's kind of a happy ending for Andy Rourke in the end because there's amazing bassist and Morrissey was also a dick, but still quite funny. Just a post it note. You've just left the biggest band in the world at that time.
• 17:02
  Speaker A: It's quite on brand for Morrissey. Quite on brand, yeah.
• 17:06
  Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, there's a bit of Smithson there. So, yeah, it's been kind of. It was really fun to make. I think for me it was like I'd written all these songs and a lot of them were kind of like harking back. And also a lot of the songs were. Well, not a lot. Like at least a few of the songs were actually very old or based on things that were very old. So the riff for Miss yous is so old. I mean, like the Mickey Nines played that song when we were in school. It was called Smashing your Windows. And that was just such a good riff. So I was like, I need to try and resurrect this. It's just that riff. And it was just one of those raffs. You're like this is just a classic Wii riff. So wanted to kind of a lot of the old stuff, Mickey Nines, before we kind of went weird, became Mickey Nines. We're more in that genre. So it's almost like. Imagine seeing Mickey Nines when we were still in school. That's kind of what we would have sounded like. But yeah, so I'm. I'm still going to play that live, but I'm going to also shift to Shaggy Mongo, which is a bit more kind of chilled. It's more like Child Indy, still very melodic and catchy, but a bit more.
• 18:19
  Speaker A: You're waiting on the masters as masters arrived yet?
• 18:22
  Speaker B: Yeah, so I'm just waiting on the final masters. I've got half of them so far. And honestly, I think it's sounding great and. And actually, because I think it's sounding so good, I'm just gonna put almost all my weight behind that one, actually, I think, and just go kind of full Shoggy Mongo, but still maybe do Shaggy Mongo and the Doogies as well. Do you know what I mean? But I just think the. The Shaggy Mongol stuff's just so good that I kind of want to just put all my weight behind that. And I don't think it would work under the banner of the Doogies because it's just too different. And I think if somebody heard pop punk, it would. It would put them off if. Compared to the Shaggy Mongo stuff. Because it's just usually if somebody likes like the Shaggy Mongo stuff's a bit more like. I need to think of the perfect band to compare it to. So I'm not really come up with that yet. But let's say. Let's just say for one of a better term the melodic Velvet Underground stuff. So, yeah, they're quite different. So. So yeah, I'm going to start releasing that and then put all my weight behind that and try and get some festival gigs for Shoggy Bungo and then just release. I've actually got another album which. Of Shaggy Mungo stuff which is not finished yet. And then just kind of release that. And then I'm thinking about re releasing all the Color Wheel stuff under Shaggy Mongo because I never really released that properly. I just kind of dumped it, did a couple of videos and.
• 19:42
  Speaker A: You just got a new Mickey Names album and you're working on a new Mickey Names album?
• 19:46
  Speaker B: Yeah. Is this.
• 19:47
  Speaker A: Is this. Is this some sort of ADHD thing?
• 19:51
  Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know what is with me, man. I think it's just trying to get shit done before.
• 19:55
  Speaker A: Well, I've been friends with diagnosis. That's what I've got. But I don't know.
• 20:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think you probably have a mixture of autism and adhd.
• 20:05
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker B: I don't mean like a bad thing. I just think you probably do possibly.
• 20:10
  Speaker A: Or just like dropped in my head as a child. You don't really know, do you? But I say I've got on the screen just now for people that are listening to the audio podcast, I said, Diggy's basically giving the formula new album, which is track one, Green Day ripoff track two, Libertines ripoff track three, Paul Simon ripoff track four, Colors ripoff track five, Arcade Fire ripoff track six, Little Man Tate ripoff track seven, Smith's ripoff, track eight. Question mark. Is that Tom's flat?
• 20:41
  Speaker B: I feel like.
• 20:42
  Speaker A: Should we go to Mexico?
• 20:45
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of a bit of a. I think you really put your finger in that one. It's too weird.
• 20:50
  Speaker A: I can't. You know what? I nearly did. I nearly have put my finger in that one.
• 20:54
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah? What is it?
• 20:55
  Speaker A: I'm agonizingly close. I'm not. I'm not quite good at it, but it's like. Oh, it's like.
• 21:03
  Speaker B: It's magic.
• 21:04
  Speaker A: It feels to me like a. Like, I really. I really love listening back to like old soul funk music. Like, sometimes I find that's quite like. We used to do that at after parties quite a lot because sometimes we go straight to techno or straight to hip hop or something. But I just found the funk soul, after you finish is just a good way to start the after party because it's the most inoffensive music, I think. I think so. I think it's the music that nobody hates, you know, that classic. So there's a lot of stuff in that. So I'll just put on like a. A playlist or a. I don't know, an album or of that kind of music. And it's just every time I go, that's a classic. And it's just. There's a lot of people that were just sort of one hit wonders, or maybe they weren't one hit wonders, but to my knowledge, I'm not really that familiar with their back catalog. I think it's one of these songs I feel either that or it's a. It's a classic. I love that tune. Anyway, it's a great.
• 22:03
  Speaker B: Yeah. Because it's kind of got the shoot.
• 22:06
  Speaker A: But there's more than that. It's. It's not the ship Ship. Because I suppose ship shoot was Velvet Underground as well. They did a good ship shoot when they went.
• 22:16
  Speaker B: As well, you know. And what you're gonna. What Katie did.
• 22:23
  Speaker A: Yeah, but it's the more about the Bolivia and the chord progression there.
• 22:33
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, maybe.
• 22:35
  Speaker A: So festivals. I think I've done my last festival. I'm not doing any festivals next year. I think I'm retiring Equinox. I made it to Equinox and that was the point of getting through this year. So just no more. No more festivals. I don't think. Just for a wee bit. A wee break. It's quite a lot. It's quite a lot.
• 22:54
  Speaker B: It's a lot. I think my canines are probably gonna. Unless we get paid a lot of money or get amazing offer like Glastonbury or something, we're probably not going to do much festivals just because with the same order we were burnt out. I'm kind of burnt out as well. But with Shuggy Mongo, I'm just like, ah, forget the gigs. Maybe I should just do it. And that means if I can get that alive and make it a real thing, then I can, you know, I mean, I can always have that as my other thing that I do because I've got lots of songs that just don't fit Mickey Nines and, you know. I mean. Yeah, I just. I want to just make. Make that become like the other thing so that if you like my songwriting, then you can come and see. Shoggy Bungo kind of thing.
• 23:40
  Speaker A: What is it so tracky. It's a question mark. Tracking Offspring ripoff and track 10. Oasis. Always an acoustic song. Last. I didn't. I wasn't even aware of that formula.
• 23:51
  Speaker B: I'm not even sure if that's right. So you got the. The thing.
• 23:58
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker B: And then she's electric. Is that the last song?
• 24:01
  Speaker A: I don't think so. I'm pretty sure. There's no way. I thought it was championship. Let me just check.
• 24:07
  Speaker B: Electric. Second last.
• 24:10
  Speaker A: Maybe. Let me just check. What's the Story Morning Glory playlist? What's the story Morning Glory or another. We've got an acoustic song at the.
• 24:20
  Speaker B: End, but you have to have acoustic song at the end.
• 24:24
  Speaker A: I just. Well, it was. It was actually. It was. It was just a rough demo and I went recorded with God and I did. Was to just go away and record it properly. I have the rough idea of it then I was going to add lots of other things to it, but I sent the demo to Save Save Car and Save said, just leave it as it's fine as it is. Don't add anything to it. And then we ran out of time. And then I thought it's something quite nice about sort of finishing the album. The way that gyros kind of started with just an acoustic guitar and a microphone and then doing a one take and not going back to it, which is kind of how we. We started. So the track Weston was.
• 25:02
  Speaker B: See.
• 25:06
  Speaker A: Shabby was right.
• 25:08
  Speaker B: Electric.
• 25:09
  Speaker A: Electric. Track nine, man. Be off. You're way off.
• 25:12
  Speaker B: Ah, crap. Oh, well, never mind.
• 25:14
  Speaker A: Well, you're right, you're right. As far as Maribertian goes.
• 25:18
  Speaker B: Well, other. I've always thought that you should have like the. The sort of. Either the epic 10 minute long song or the kind of acoustic ballad at the end of an album.
• 25:29
  Speaker A: Yeah, No, I agree. It was like a slow build. Was going to start acoustic and it was going to be all bells and whistles at the end. But that's just something also equally as good.
• 25:39
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker A: You've got to go all out or all in. All out. But that means the same thing. The opposite of all. Just in. All into yourself. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So we just watched the football. Sorry, we're gonna go back to album. The album is available on Band Camp, Spotify, Apple, all the places.
• 26:04
  Speaker B: Yeah, all the usual. Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker A: And it's called the Doogies. The Doogies. The Doogies.
• 26:09
  Speaker B: Yeah. Well, the album's called Empty at empty.
• 26:13
  Speaker A: Sorry, empty MD's question mark. And I wasn't sure about that question.
• 26:19
  Speaker B: Mark, but I kept in there empty MDs.
• 26:28
  Speaker A: MD is a great word.
• 26:30
  Speaker B: I was thinking about calling the band Empties the mds, but then it was. I thought that people wouldn't know how to pronounce it if they weren't. Or they wouldn't know how to spell it. So then they were able to look up.
• 26:39
  Speaker A: Yeah, it kind of sounds like the MDs. Like the mad Dogs.
• 26:42
  Speaker B: Yeah. I didn't. In a way I thought that was good, but then I thought it was bad, so I wasn't sure.
• 26:48
  Speaker A: The Doogies or the doggies, what would you prefer it to be called?
• 26:52
  Speaker B: I like it just to be ambiguous, like David Barry.
• 26:59
  Speaker A: Bowie. I always said Bowie, but apparently that's completely wrong.
• 27:02
  Speaker B: Apparently it's Bowie boy. Or Bowie. I don't know, like. Like a Bowie knife.
• 27:09
  Speaker A: I think he got. I. I googled it and it was like. But I just say baby. Sorry.
• 27:18
  Speaker B: I think. I think Scottish people say Barry because Bowie's a Scottish name.
• 27:21
  Speaker A: I'm stuck in my ways. I'm stuck in my ways. The Same way that Prince Charles is still Prince Charles. Prince Andrew. I'll maybe make an exception for Prince Andrew. Maybe I can learn his name is Mount Battenberg or something. Mr. Windsor, Mr. Andrew Battenberg. Oh, I. He's dealing with the consequences of what moving from one biggest to another. Because I know it's kind of funny. Douglas says, Alex.
• 27:56
  Speaker B: It depends if you're talking to an Italian or not.
• 27:58
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. I've heard an Italian, I've heard Sardinian call you Douglas Douglas Douglas Douglas or Douglas Douglas. Consistent Diggy. That is the same answer you gave me. An Aaron Douglas has not came on here to tell lies on. You call that radio? This is nothing but the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And speaking of that, we're going to do a little bit of post match now. So I know that we don't really talk about football that much and on this show because every time I talk about football I just get people unsubscribing. So I'm not gonna talk about football. But I did miss the third goal. So I want to know what happened because I was sitting trying, I was in a panic trying to get this set up.
• 28:47
  Speaker B: Game was stretched and you know, it was already two one ups so. And the Rangers are down to 10 men. So the Celtic managed to get out wide. Tierney put a strong ball in and the teenager Callum Osmond came in firing in at the back post and just had a tap in at the back posts. So it was just one of those kind of kid. And Tierney, good to see him. You probably guess I'm a Celtic fan but yeah, good to see him getting an assess because he's a bit of a Celtic legend, so. And he's had a lot of, I'd say probably quite a difficult career because he's had so many injuries and stuff. He went to mass school but he was a lot younger than me so that's got to be soft spot.
• 29:29
  Speaker A: That's when you start feeling old in it. It's when you're. When all the players that are your age and younger are being called. You know, an excellent journeyman. Look at the age of this man still going and you're like. Or are people the team organic football management? You know, I'm getting the edge now that people are becoming managers and I know I totally the lo in the house. Hello, Lou and Jarvis Cocker with B Modesty. Discuss.
• 30:01
  Speaker B: Well, to be honest, I think. No, no, I think Mor is quite strong looking too. I mean looks quite strong. Whereas J looks very, very Skinny and weak.
• 30:15
  Speaker A: Yeah. He's got a hairy chest. Morrissey. I don't know if that. If help will help or hinder.
• 30:20
  Speaker B: He is quite. He is quite manly. Mor. I mean I know he's.
• 30:24
  Speaker A: He's got a lot of hate in his heart as well. I don't think Jarvis Cocker's got the hate in him.
• 30:29
  Speaker B: Yeah. Although did Jarvis Cocker not do. What was it he got.
• 30:35
  Speaker A: He went on stage. Michael Jackson.
• 30:37
  Speaker B: Jackson or something like that.
• 30:38
  Speaker A: He banned up Michael Jackson. He did a farting.
• 30:40
  Speaker B: I just banned him up. He didn't. He didn't actually do anything.
• 30:43
  Speaker A: He did a farting motion and it's no way. Jesus. It's Michael Jackson.
• 30:49
  Speaker B: Bob Mortimer got him off.
• 30:51
  Speaker A: Yeah. Bob Mortimer was there for some reason. But yeah, that's. I don't think that really counts. I don't think Michael Jackson. Although I. I have read that Michael Jackson was. Had gang contacts and stuff like that. But I don't. I don't know if there's any truth.
• 31:09
  Speaker B: Also if you could do it if you like. Maybe Michael Jackson looks very skinny and weak. But think about the dance moves. I think how fat he must have been.
• 31:17
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker B: You know, I mean he must like been seriously athletic.
• 31:22
  Speaker A: I think. And he used to beat people up in Moonwalker and Thriller. Although I don't know if they were based in true stories. But he had magic power. See it probably have a big kick. He's probably got a big kick.
• 31:39
  Speaker B: Yeah. Imagine getting kicked to the jaw. Yeah. If Michael Jackson kicked to the face would definitely take you out. But yeah, I think be. Morris is probably a lot tougher than he looks. And he's. He's a bad bastard as well. He's like. He's not a nice man. So I think that would probably be an advantage in a fight.
• 31:56
  Speaker A: Yeah. You just be like, leave it, Morrissey. And he's just.
• 32:00
  Speaker B: He's gone dampened.
• 32:02
  Speaker A: Stop it. He's already dead. Morrissey just keeps going. But yeah, I would definitely rather go for a paint with Jarvis Cocker. But I think Morris is. Yeah, I think he's.
• 32:14
  Speaker B: I think he's probably sometimes wonder with Morrissey the only thing behind like off stage is he maybe a good laugh, you know, I mean is it all just a Persona just to be a cunt all the time? Because it. I don't know but I'm. I mean. Well, he fired out the fire together in the bandwag post it notes so that's not very good.
• 32:37
  Speaker A: Yeah. No, I think he's just a con. I think I Don't think he's, like, just playing up to it. Yeah, I think. I think that I've not heard any redeeming features for Morrissey.
• 32:48
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, fair enough. I mean, yeah, I'm no fan of Morrissey as a human, but I think the Smiths are just brilliant, brilliant band, amazing. They're just. And also, I think the. The lyrics that he wrote for the Smiths are just genius.
• 33:06
  Speaker A: Has he got. Is he got. Has he had any. Is any of the recent solo stuff worth checking it, if you can?
• 33:13
  Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know about the recent stuff. I think there's a few songs. He's got maybe five songs that are good solo songs, but I think most of it's pretty either. Just kind of below average, you know, I mean, it's not terrible, but it's not, you know, I mean. But, you know, again, I'm not a fan of Morrissey as such, but it's weird because I'm a huge fan of the Smiths. But then I think, again, it probably. The Smith was just the right age for me. Again, I was a teenager, and it's talking about that kind of teenage angst and, you know, kind of romantic way of looking at the world.
• 33:48
  Speaker A: This wasn't the first time around, because the Smiths were gone by the time you were a teenager, surely.
• 33:53
  Speaker B: Yeah, but. So I was just hearing it on my pal's MP3 player. He had, frankly Mr. Shankley and this charming man, just those two songs. And I just remember thinking, especially frankly Mr. Shankley, I was just like, what the is that like? It's just so weird because for me, I never.
• 34:17
  Speaker A: It's a wee bit more modern than that. It's got. It's. I kept on trying to get. And the. The. The happiest I ever was with music, listening to music on the move was somebody gave me an old ipod that they didn't use anymore, and I loved it. And then I've tried to buy ipods off ebay and they never work. So I just bought an MP3 player, but it's kind of like. It's like a big square, but it's got access to Facebook and Spotify if you want it, which I don't want. So I've not. I did when I first got it. I think I was going somewhere and I connected my Spotify to. But then I realized that this is just the same problem. I've got. I'm getting notifications. So now I've just. I've deleted all of the apps And I've just got. Just. Just. I just filled it with all. All my music and now I just go for a walk with it. My phone. It's brilliant. I would recommend it. And then. And because you can't be bothered looking through things, you can't pick things. I don't really know what's there because it's stuff that I've had for years, but I've not listened to for years. So it's kind of quite good because you just kind of shuffle it and then you get an album. You go, oh, that's an album. No, I had. Then I'm listening to albums from start to finish again. And it's bringing me peace as I walk by the seaside. So I recommend it. That's a good way to do it, I think.
• 35:39
  Speaker B: I think that's a great idea. I think I would like to see some. I don't know, you'd call it invention, maybe, or something, or just attitude change, where people could go back to listening to actual albums because it. Because even me, who loves albums, probably don't really never get to the end of one just because of the nature of the beast. It's like there's a couple of songs left. You got to pause it, go do something. You come back, then you can't remember. You didn't remember. You listen to that album. So, you know, I mean, if it was a cd, you press play, it would kind of restart where you left off, kind of thing. I was thinking, like, see if you could. I mean, I hate Spot. Spotify, but then I just use Spotify because it's amazing. So whatever. But there was something on Spotify that was maybe, like, you could program it, that once you start an album, you have to listen to the end, or you have to kind of just go through a few hoops to not do that. So, like, it'd just be a pain just to always go away from the album. Like, you can still do it if you wanted to, but you just have.
• 36:41
  Speaker A: To just get the MP3 player. That's where. That's what it is. Because there's a finite amount of music that I've got. So as a result. Actually, I think the problem with Spotify is you can just like get halfway through an album and you're like, oh, that reminds me of another song, another band, and you just change it. But now I'm like, right, I've only got. Well, I've probably got. I've got loads on the MP3 player, but it will. It will run out and I'm gonna have to delete albums and put new albums in. So I'm just getting the most of it. So I've listened to. I listened to. I've been. The Gomez back catalog. I've been in about that. The first two albums anyway. And I've actually listened to them about three times each because I'm like, I'm not ready to move on from Gomez yet because I have. Music's finite again. But I think. And I agree with the. The playlist thing. So, like, I've been making playlists, so every time I hear a band with a good song, I'll add it to the. The Current Signals playlist. If anyone's on Spotify, the evil Spotify, then I'll just put a song from the album to remind me to listen to the album. But then the years of finishes and I don't even have even heard it all. So anyway, something needs to change.
• 37:53
  Speaker B: CDs like, I got. Basically the only CD I've listened to forever is. Well, it's not quite. I bought a bunch of CDs from Oxfam Music for like a pound each. All classic albums. It's just like if you want to buy a record secondhand, it's 30 quid by CD, one pound anything, and they have everything. So I had it from a car because basically I got a old S car that has a CD player. And yes, the only one I've really listened to is Dreams Are Mental. And I'm not just saying that. So it's great because basically it means that you're just. You're listening to the album because it's just. You actually listen to the end because you can't. When you start the car, you can't be arsed, like, you know, I mean, skipping a song or going back to the start or changing the CD, it's in there. You've listened to five songs, it's going to start at number six and it's great. So I've listened to song 10 as much as I've listened to song one.
• 38:51
  Speaker A: Yeah, well, I've only got. I've got a CD player here every second I moved in, but I've only got one CD and it. Streams are mental. So I've listened to it once myself through the CD player and, yeah, once it's on its own. Well, I've not got any other alternatives.
• 39:09
  Speaker B: But I think CDs were underrated because they're like. They're cheaper and cheaper than records and they were high quality. I mean, like, it's just good We've.
• 39:25
  Speaker A: Been a science guy on the show once who said that you could scientifically prove the CDs better than vinyl was a controversial opinion.
• 39:34
  Speaker B: I have heard quality of like losslessness or whatever is higher, but I think it might just because there's not background noise from the actual record player but the vinyl sounds.
• 39:47
  Speaker A: It sounds warmer. That little crackle. Something good.
• 39:51
  Speaker B: There is something in that. Like I think. I can't really get my head around what I think about it because some people say the highest fidelity is a vinyl on a high quality record player. Turntable with a vinyl. I think if that. If that's true then it's when you have, you know, a turntable set up that's worth over a grand. That maybe is true, but I've never really heard that before. Like who has that? Like a few hundred quid maybe, but like a thousand pound two thousand, you can spend as much as you want. So maybe at the top end then it's the best. But I think it sounds great. Does it sound better than like a CD or even lossless streaming? I can't actually tell the difference. It definitely sounds different. But whether it's better or more high fidelity or something, I don't hear the difference. But probably some people can hear it.
• 40:47
  Speaker A: I think it's all about the headphones as well. When you're talking about MP3, you can hear it if you're. You're going from a small MP3 to.
• 40:55
  Speaker B: A definitely hit MP3. MP3 is definitely worse. So that's even me who's got shit.
• 41:03
  Speaker A: Moving up to wah then moving to lossless where a good set headphones. You'll hear the difference.
• 41:07
  Speaker B: Yeah, for sure that's true. Can easily tell because it's like a two megabyte file versus a 70 megabyte file. Right. So there's a obviously difference. But when it goes into the kind of physical universe of tapes and vinyls and all that, I'm not sure, I can't. I mean it's definitely better than MP3, but is it better than lossless streaming? I don't know.
• 41:27
  Speaker A: Blue says everything sounds better than vinyl. Let us know in the comments. Vinyl or CD or.
• 41:32
  Speaker B: It's more satisfying to play in vinyl obviously. I mean it's a better experience because you're putting it on physical and all that. It's analog. But I'm. I just wonder if it's more in your. The romantic part of your brain that makes you think it's better. Whether is it actually clearer? Do you know?
• 41:52
  Speaker A: I mean, could you Put on. Could you just put the vinyl noises on a cd? Just give the impression. But yeah, there is something special. Mini disc probably. Mini disc. Where does that come in? I never. My big cousin had a mini disc and I was always really jealous when it. Because at that time it was a big advert. I remember Reef. I remember the advert. I'll blow you away. And then it was like many discs seemed like it was the future and I. I wanted one but they were too expensive. But they. They didn't. They didn't want us long.
• 42:25
  Speaker B: They were.
• 42:25
  Speaker A: I think they were a recording tool for a lot of people though, weren't they?
• 42:30
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think that was just slightly. When was that?
• 42:36
  Speaker A: When was refer. It must have been late 90s because that was in a bit semis TFI Friday because it had the issue there. So I can put it in Chris Evans and TFI Friday. So I would say 98, I guess. 98, 97, 98, 99, 97. I'm going 97.
• 42:52
  Speaker B: It's probably just. Just before when I'd have been aware of that kind of thing. So. Yeah, but we were there. We were there at the. The birth of the MP3 player into iPod in the start of secondary school. And I remember my pal Andrea had a. Maybe in third year, second year, third or second year got an ipod. And it was. One of. It was really, you know, so basic. I think it was like 30 songs. But like on the MP3 Pro you could only have 12. Or was it like maybe 100 songs versus 12 or something? But it wasn't much and it was just. This is the best invention of all time. Do you know what I mean? Like this is you. You've got 100 songs on that thing in your hand. It was kind of mind blowing. And then so quickly that became, you know, 30 gigabytes and then the phone.
• 43:48
  Speaker A: And just destroyed it. Ruined everything.
• 43:53
  Speaker B: It was better when it was separate. But the thing was you had to have the physical copy. But then the trick was to make sure that you could have a pal who had like infinite amount of digital music and then just steal all their stuff. But then they put an end to that. Like you could still do it. But there was. They made it tricky. But luckily again, my pal Andrea, his dad had over decades like digitized his entire vinyl collection, I think. So he had like just hundreds of albums on his computer. And I went in with my ipod and got all the music. And the vast majority of it I never heard before. So I spent basically this is when I got out of the. The green day and blink 182 bubble. And I started listening to Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix, the Doors and all the cool stuff because it was on my ipod, you know what I mean? And just listen to all to death. Like, I know every Bob Dylan lyric off by heart and stuff like that. Because it was just at that time. Or just listen to it over and over again. So, yeah, good memories, nostalgia. I think, like, partly the reason I did a nostalgic album is like, I think you never love music more than when you're that age. Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker A: They say between 14 and 18 is the. Whatever you're listening to, then you'll probably enjoy for the rest of your life. And the guy from kof, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. I think it was Alzheimer's. And he made a playlist of his favorite songs of 14 to 18. And I actually tried this when my dad had to mention it was. We just found like, what was the top hats of the year. That he was 14 or 15. And it was mad how he knew all these songs, because it's not. These were not famous songs. Some of them are famous, but that would have been what. I mean, that was. There was a monoculture back then. It was a monoculture when we were growing up as well, where, like, you know, you couldn't. You couldn't get away from, like. You know, I used to hate Take that, Backstreet Boys and stuff like that because I couldn't get away from it. It was. It was getting rammed in your throat on mtv, on the radio, just every supermarket. And now you've got your own headphones and there's a million different niches and everybody's in their own algorithm. Bubbles. So. Can be thinking now, since then.
• 46:18
  Speaker B: Yeah. I think.
• 46:21
  Speaker A: It'S funny Oasis, obviously, but I remember that first album coming out with the agreeing that it was good.
• 46:35
  Speaker B: Arctic Monkeys as well, because we were 17. So they're. They're just like a couple years older than us. And we. We were like in a band. We just, you know, band in school. And there was this other band that was technically in school and they had. You could get their music on the. Online streaming, like online sharing stuff. I don't know if it was technically. I'm not sure if it was. Anyway, you could get it on that. Let's see. Langmore. And so we had all the music and we had all the. All their songs and we were like, this is the best band ever. And then. Then they had a number one. So, like, they released their first single and it was a number one, but people already knew because they really cleverly released it kind of illegally first. And then we went to see them play third on the bill, supporting Maximo park, and they already had, like, a number one, and we're like the biggest band in Britain, but they still had to fulfill this commitment of this tour that they'd agreed to. So we saw them at O2 Academy, I think, play third on the bill, and they were already the biggest band in the world at that point. It was really weird, you know what I mean? But for us, Arctic Monkeys, that first album was mind blowing because it was like, how. How did they do that? How could. How can you be that good at music when you're just a teenager? And we just.
• 48:00
  Speaker A: That.
• 48:00
  Speaker B: We just couldn't believe that it was possible, basically. And then weirdly, like, I have never listened to Arctic Monkeys, any of their other albums. I've got no interest in at all. I've given it a shot. I don't really don't like it. But the first album, when I was 17, just. It's about being 17. It's about going out, getting drunk, getting into trouble. That's what every song is about. And it just speaks to you, right? So I don't think. I can't remember the last time I've actually listened to that album. Probably literally 20 years. But at that time, that's all we listen to, you know what I mean? And I probably.
• 48:36
  Speaker A: He's an elite. He's like, thank you, everyone, for coming on my show.
• 48:45
  Speaker B: Yeah, totally. Did they release an album called the Car?
• 48:49
  Speaker A: I don't know. I. I've kind of. I keep trying to. I try every time a new album comes out and I just. Canny. That's a shame, because I. I feel like. I feel like I may be missing it. People are telling me I'm missing it, but I just can't stand it, man. I can't stand the.
• 49:08
  Speaker B: No, say, I think it's like the Emperor's New Clothes. Do you know what I mean? Nobody's just telling him, it's a shame. Mate, stop doing it.
• 49:15
  Speaker A: He loves himself. He absolutely loves himself. He speaks with an early accent. I mean, I don't expect him to be making songs about drinking Mary doing another. But it feels like it's too much of a jump. It's too much a jump to be that guy. No, I know.
• 49:31
  Speaker B: I think he should have kept some. Some of his palace for Sheffield on the tour bus, just to be like, no, mate, don't do this.
• 49:39
  Speaker A: You can't wear the leather. Leather. Leather trousers. You know what I mean? I would say that our guitarist sometimes wears leather trousers. Shouts the teeth mark he made. That's what he wants. Yeah. If you go into Gyrobaby Spotify, you'll find McKinnon's guitarist, Ants Alternative Alter Ego Popo Cops with a remix, a pop punk remix. And it's our most popular song. So when you go on it.
• 50:11
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker A: I don't know if anyone's actually thought that, but it's been the top song for four months now. Five months. It's not. I think I called the emo emo the last time I spoke to you. I want to correct that.
• 50:26
  Speaker B: More pop punk. Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker A: It's not emo.
• 50:31
  Speaker B: Well, that's what you gotta do if you want to be famous.
• 50:33
  Speaker A: Well, I don't want to be famous. I'm done. I've. I've had enough disappointments, I think. But, yeah, I'll. I'll. I'll decide for sure soon. But who else did that during the contractual obligations? The. I had a story about 50 Cent. He got taken on tour with the OR. He was a guy that ran no Limit. No Limit Records. No Limit. Oh, I can't remember his name. I'll just double check. I'll just make it blank. But He's. He got 50 Cent. He knew 50 Cent was about to blow up, so he signed them to. On his tour. It was Master P. Sorry, Master P. Oh, Mr. P. Master P. He signed 50 Cent and he could see that the crowd were going mental for it and they were. It was starting to kick off. So he just says, that's the tour over. We'll do the other 12 dates. I signed them for 12 dates for four grand or something like that. And he said, we'll do the other six next year. And then by that point and the club had came out, so. And he was supporting Master P as the biggest rapper in the world. Paid. He got it and he got it on the cheap.
• 52:01
  Speaker B: Nice.
• 52:02
  Speaker A: So I. That's. It does happen. It does happen. I put a link to the band camp here. So there's no physicals or just now at this moment in time.
• 52:11
  Speaker B: No, there's basically no. No merch at all.
• 52:17
  Speaker A: Because you've already moved on. You've actually moved on.
• 52:21
  Speaker B: You kind of. Because I moved on. Yeah. To be honest, that is kind of the main reason I've got this. The Suggimongo stuff and not got the merch made, but I've got stuff that would like imagery and like the album. Cover and all that. That will be really good for merch. So I'm probably just gonna lean into. Lean into that because. Yeah. But yeah, basically we had an album launch booked at Room 2 in November, but we had to. We had to cancel it basically. So we're gonna. That was another reason that merch never really got made because we never really knew if we actually had a gig or not. So now the gig is going to be pushed forward to February. So by then there hopefully will be some merch. I think the photo that's the album cover is a peach. So it'd be quite cool to do something with that. Maybe Victoria. You know Victoria. Yeah. So that's Victoria that just. Obviously just dancing at a party somewhere and empty. But it's just a. Amazing, amazing. What do you call it? It's.
• 53:26
  Speaker A: Who's with the hair?
• 53:30
  Speaker B: That's our pal from. From where she from again? Not Kansas, the other one. Oklahoma.
• 53:37
  Speaker A: Oklahoma. Yeah. So. Because that was because we were in Sweden.
• 53:42
  Speaker B: Yes. So she's half Swedish, half Oklahomies, Oklahoma.
• 53:48
  Speaker A: Ease. Easy for you to say. The. Yeah, because we met the guy, her cousin who is the photographer of the Flaming Lips.
• 53:56
  Speaker B: That's right. Yeah. And his best pals with Wayne.
• 54:00
  Speaker A: I think I was good, good friends with Wayne. I was hoping I was going to be able to call in a favor and because Colin must have a plane with Wayne with the Flaming Lips on a festival that get cancelled. And I was hoping I was going to be able to. To go and meet them and interview him, but it never happened. The kid could get canceled, I think. Was that one at the. The park.
• 54:28
  Speaker B: Tam was on stage with the Flaming Lips and a Santa costume. I just realized there's an element of that story that I can't broadcast.
• 54:41
  Speaker A: But yeah, if you hear the story, you sign up to patreon.com/forward/radio and we'll do a secret broadcast of the story.
• 54:50
  Speaker B: Because that is a really funny story actually. So I won't. I can't tell the whole thing, but basically Tom got my ticket to go see them. I love the Flaming Lips. Tam's never even heard of them. And then he ends up in one of the big Santa costumes on stage with them for the gig and he doesn't even like them. And a few funny things happened, let's just say including him and kicking the guitarist, not deliberately, but hard with some force. And then they kind of met them afterwards. And there's a picture of Wayne Coyne with the CD for the Party Manifesto. It's a photo with it part but I don't think he ever listened to it. And they were meant to go and party later but then it all got mixed up and they ended up getting in the wrong taxi. So it never happened.
• 55:43
  Speaker A: But yeah, do you know, I was actually my first night out since I've moved to. Since I went rural and I went on Friday to Halloween party and there was a great cover band and they actually, they did a cover of Yushimi Battles of Pink Robots because obviously it was a cover band. So I was like, oh, here we go. Cover band. But they were really good and they were playing just, just classic after classic in songs you don't normally hear. What we don't talk about where I'm. But it said. Yeah, it was on. It was, it was on a. It was on an island. It was on an island somewhere. But yeah, they, it was good. I think my opinion cover bands has been tainted by, you know, working in venues.
• 56:31
  Speaker B: What was on an island? Was Prince Andrew there?
• 56:34
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, yeah, it's not, it's not the Epstein island either. But yeah, maybe there's a, maybe there is a, a market for a covers band or maybe it's just because, you know, as I'm getting older, the COVID bands are going to start changing to my age group for me or like the demographics. I just found cover bands be they were not even whenever you can tell that they're really good at what they're doing. But it's just, it's the same songs. It's like karaoke was written for me for a long time because I worked at a karaoke bar for a while and you know, you could. I, I. Back then, I don't know if it's still the case anymore, but you could just bet what songs it was. It was in Corfu, so it's like of a certain time. So it was like Robbie Williams Angels. It will get played. Yeah, working 95 will get played. But I think I'm over that now. There were certain songs.
• 57:30
  Speaker B: Caroline, Sweet Caroline.
• 57:32
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker B: Brown Eye Girl.
• 57:35
  Speaker A: Always, Always. And there's nothing wrong with these songs, by the way. I was just. It's the same way that just, just for a while I couldn't listen to them anymore. It just sort of brings.
• 57:46
  Speaker B: I think, I think you're right though. Like, I think actually I have seen a cover band do this before at my pal's wedding where also the, the late great JD Twitch was DJing, which is pretty cool. But the COVID band was playing all sorts of just pure absolute tunes but nothing Nothing by Neil Diamond. It was all. I don't know, I can't even think of one off the top of my head because it was that random, do you know what I mean? But it was, as you say, something like Yoshimi battles the Pink Robots. Just a song that you would. You never heard covered before, but brilliant because the band was talented. It's a really good idea. Just basically a cover band. But do songs that are not in anybody's karaoke machine.
• 58:31
  Speaker A: Yeah, people are sick of it. I'm gonna actually go back and give Neil Diamond a second chance because I decided in primary four that I hated Neil Diamond. I hated. I just was watching a concert and I just. With my parents and I remember watching, watching him diamond and I hated him for no reason. And irrational hatred of Neil diamond for.
• 58:55
  Speaker B: No reason.
• 58:58
  Speaker A: Reminded me of no Edmonds. I just thought this guy's no Edmonds, he's at it. And then a couple of times I've been like here, that's a classic song. Who did that? It's Neil Diamond. Am I missing it?
• 59:11
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean he could write the songs.
• 59:14
  Speaker A: He's.
• 59:14
  Speaker B: He's just got an affness, don't he? He just. Maybe if he wasn't successful he would be thought of as like this great forgotten songwriter. Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker A: It'D be more appealing if he just wasn't so successful. But yeah, just equate. Yeah, that's what this is exactly what Alex Thomas try to be Alex Thomas trying to be Neil diamond, you know that just.
• 59:43
  Speaker B: Have you seen the Last Waltz? The band?
• 59:46
  Speaker A: No.
• 59:47
  Speaker B: Oh, watch it. It's amazing. It's basically Martin Scorsese filming the band with basically with loads of special guests including Bob Dylan and Neil Young and all these guys in the mid-70s. And so it's like there's Van Morrison does the tune. Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Joni Macho, I can't remember. But like all the greats from that on that genre in the 70s. And Neil diamond gets up and it's funny because it's like oh yeah. So he was kind of like in and about it in those days with all these really cool people was just considered to be one of the gang. But now he's. I don't know, he's sort of like a class apart. He's this other guy, do you know what I mean? Because he was like a full. I guess he was just a folk center, a singer, songwriter, folk singer, country, country, folk. And it's weird when you see him in that context and you're like, ah, Neil diamond, all these cool people and you're there. But I guess he was cool. He was probably pretty cool.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe as like I said, I made that decision. I made a snap call when I was 4, about. I don't know, maybe 10, 10 year old. I just went, I hate Neil diamond. And that's. It's time to let it go.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, I've never, I'm not just saying I've never liked it, I just. I just don't like it. But I think it's because my dad likes him. So you can't really like music hard.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker A: Well, I don't know. That was. It's funny we're talking about the. You said going back to listening to all the cool bands like the, the Doors and stuff like that. My parents were listening to the Doors and stuff. So that I was. And I was kind of against it for a while because I wanted to. You want to find your own music, don't you? So your parents. Music, you, you kind of grew up listening to that and taking it all in and then you wanted to find your own thing which was probably something like the Out Here Brothers or some Scatman John or the superstars of the WWF doing Slam Jam and. And then, then that obviously the pre black pop music that I selected wasn't always. Always of top caliber.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker B: Yeah. But I don't think, no offense mom and dad, but I don't think they had a great taste in like. Let's say they don't have a cool T. My mom doesn't even have a taste in music. Mom doesn't even like music. But my dad's taste is a bit uncool, let's say. I'm sure you probably.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker A: He's an example. Who do you think?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker B: Neil diamond and the guy that sings Uptown Girl? No, the original one.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker A: Original. The original.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker B: He's very famous.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker B: The most famous. So anyway, that kind of stuff. But. But in their defense. So they never really went to gigs when they were teenagers. But my dad went to one where he went to maybe one or two. But there's one that he really remembers, the QMU. Which is where Mickey Min just played.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker A: Yep.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker B: In 1978. ACDC.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker A: Oh wow.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker B: At the QMU. Can you imagine that? Like a 200 cap venue. ACDC. And my mom only ever saw one gig in her life and it was at the Apollo in Glasgow in 1977. Roughly. And it was Queen, Queen at the Apollo. You could really go to a better gig eventually. And she's like, I don't really remember. I was just taking my wee brother because he wanted to go. And she also went to see Remembered at Loch Lomond with her pals. And then I was like, oh, did you enjoy the gig? She was like, ah, it was actually quite good. I really like that song. Everybody cares.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker A: What is the deal, Rem. What is the deal?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker B: Do you know what?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker A: Yeah. Shout.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it. They are.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker A: Yeah. I just remember that Everybody Hot's album. I had. I had that.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker B: Everybody had that. Automatic for the People.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker A: Automatic for the people, yeah. I like that.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker B: Of all time.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker A: But they made the best album of all time. What you talking about?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker B: One of the best selling. Best selling albums.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker A: Oh, best selling, right. Okay. So you hated it.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker B: Anyway, I actually kind of liked it when it came. When it was out because it was. You were supposed to like it. And it was.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker A: What's the frequency again? That was gonna.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker B: Yeah, that's an all right tune. That one's actually quite good. Like they. They're obviously quite good, but I just don't like them. Apparently the first two albums are supposed to be. I mean, like, they wrote the first album in 1980 and then the two big albums were in the mid to late 90s. So they kind of got really famous about 15 years after they'd already released about 10 albums. And their early stuff, very cool and more indie and all that. But I gave it a shot and I just was like, boring. Not into it. But I probably just offend people who like them because they're obviously well loved. But I don't know what it is about them. I just feel a bit kind of whiny and up.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if I'm missing it as well, but there's just.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker B: There's just.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker A: So. There's so many of these legendary bands that you. Where we got time to go through it all but retire Mr. Bright side. I think we can agree on that one. Mostly. Do you know what? But there is something funny. I've got a fond memory of my friend who's no longer with us. He used to do a good Mr. Bright side. And he used to like just go and. And basically this was not Mother the song. But just be a wee bit over enthusiastic with strings. And they also did a good Bohemian Rhapsody as well. So. Yeah, I. I understand the hate for Mr. Bright side, but.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker B: Yeah, again, the Colors are a band that I don't actually like. And even when they came out, I was the right age for it. And Ants loved them.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker B: And it was often me and Ants were always Kind of sharing taste. But in the first album came in, so they weren't even. Remember, they're not the Killers. They're just a band called the Killers who have just released a song and they're on. They got a music video.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker A: I like the album.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker B: And that's. Was like. That is. These guys are going to be the biggest band in the world and all that. And he was right. And I was just like, nah, it's just a bit. And. But I appreciate how good they are. So it's like one of those bands that I don't like at all. I don't listen to them but. But their big hits are absolute gins. Like, you cannot take that away from them. Like, they're. They're. They're a stadium band for a reason. So quite rough. Just. I wouldn't ever put it on.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker A: Yeah. Snow. Not for me either. I like the album when it came out, but it's like. It's the Land Fell Indy thing. There was just lots of bands that. They were good. Valerie by Amy Win House Need B. Can we. Can you say that? Is that not.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker B: I would agree with that as well. I think the SU's original is better. Even more controversial. I think Gaming Winehouse is one of the most overrated artists of all time.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker A: Oh. Oh, no. Do you know why I can agree with.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker B: Right. She's got one brilliant album. But, like, that's what you need.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker A: That's what you need, though.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker B: Come on. Like, you need at least a. A bit more than that to be.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker A: She died.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker B: Yeah. Just because she died.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker A: It's not her fault. It's not her fault she died. She had a great album. The back catalogs know, up to scratch.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker B: Yeah. If she hadn't died, nobody would be talking about. In the same way. If she hadn't died, nobody would have, you know, like sanctified her.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker A: No, but the. I don't know.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker B: I mean, it's not. She's got a tragic story and all that, blah, blah, blah. Fine. That's fine. You know, it's sad, but just judge the music. Okay? One really good album. She's a brilliant singer. She's not like Michael Jackson, you know what I mean? Or she sort of. It's just because she sort of seems to be on this, on the same tier as the greats. And she's. For me, she's just good.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker A: Well, I think she's in the 27 Club is another famous 27 Club. So. Yeah, that's that.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker B: I kind of feel like there's. There's a couple of bands or like artists, let's say, who had one great album and they have maintained greatness. Stone Roses is one, there's. There's a few but usually you need at least two good albums. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker A: I thought I like the Second Coming. I don't care what anyone says.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker B: I like that it's good, but it's not great. But you know, I mean I think anybody would think it was great. It's defin. I think it's good.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker A: I also like a lot of Ian Brown's early solo stuff as well and a lot of of people disagree with me on that but I think that's.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker B: I quite like some of stuff too.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker A: Who's Jean Pitney? Am I. Am I been stupid here? Got here late, Been nice to see you all add the negativity on Jean Pitney until I saw the tunes that I love that he'd written. I don't know Jean P is.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker B: I'm not sure.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker A: Right. I just realized because we started late I've stupidly agreed what wasn't my fault asked you to come on the show and then I forgot that the conversation with Way Jade Radley who told me the China Shop Bill wanted to come on the show to talk about the gig we're doing together in Edinburgh on the 14th of November and that's going to be starting soon so if you want more you call out radio then I'll put a link in the comments to our chat with China Short Bill. We're going to start there just after six o' clock only to make a cup of tea and then I'll start it. But the, you know China Shop Bill you guys played before many times.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker B: Say hi to him man. Cuz like I have very, very fond memories. We played with them about four or five times, maybe, maybe more and they hosted us down in Leeds a couple of times and we had some good, good, good pints afterwards.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker A: Yeah, they're great band. Good, good tracks.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker B: Yeah Brian Banting. Really good guys. Yeah I've been many years since I've actually seen any of them but say hi to them for me.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker A: Well you can, you can say hi, you can, you can just tune in and type it yourself.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker B: You've got dinner.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker A: Fair enough. Well okay. Final plug for all your things. I'll just make you full screen and just tell people about the various things that happen.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker B: Okay then. So basically Mickey and I just released an album a few months ago, Uncanny Valley, forgot the name of it for a second and we've just released our next single called Hanging, which is more in the metal genre. So we're going to start working on recording our next album, which is a metal album that'll be released over the next years, next few months to a year. And my solo project, the Doogies, which is a hark back to teenage years indie pop, Landfill Indie, just released that this weekend. So give that a wee blast, especially if you are a fan of landfill indie, which is obviously one of the greatest genres of all time. And then coming up very soon is Shuggy Mongo, which is kind of like my new solo project, which is a bit more. It's still in the realm of alternative singer songwriter indie, but a little bit more kind of up to date, let's say. It's not a kind of nostalgic indie pop, it's more mature but all melodic singer songwriter stuff. So anyway, I need to figure out a good way to describe that because I've not really thought about it yet. But anyway, Shoggy Mongo, it's going to be brilliant and the album's recorded and finished so I'm just going to start releasing that first single maybe in about a month. Probably hopefully going to be touring that in the festival season. We'll see what happens. But yeah, Shuggy Mongo is the kind of. There's going to be the. The final project which the master plan comes together, the Doogies, Killer Whale, Shuggy Mongo, some Mickey Nines covers as well. So that'll be like my main thing going forward hopefully. So yeah.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker A: Well, always a pleasure. Thoughts on the the new Martin o' Neill before we go because I did see post match analysis, we didn't even know you get to that. What do you think of the return of Martin and what's your predictions for the the rest of the season?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker B: I think it's needed to happen. Brendan had lost the dressing room as they say and I think Martin o' Neill is a club legend. Everybody who's a Celtic fan knows that and he's obviously still got it in terms of getting the players up for it. Very charismatic man and he knew that what they needed to do was just play with aggression and don't be afraid to just launch the ball forward sometimes. And that's what they've been doing. So I feel like it's a night and day team from the start of the season. So I think that hopefully some good summer winter transfer business, maybe just get a striker, maybe maybe a couple of players. If we at least get a striker and the at Christmas time or in January then hopefully things will be okay, but if Hearts win the league, you know, that'd be bad. But you know, maybe it won't be that bad. As long as Rangers don't win, maybe.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker A: Everything'S gonna be okay. You heard it here first. Thanks De. See ya. That was Doogie, Diggy Diggy Doggy of the Diggies. Go and check out his album Empty mds right now. Thank you to everyone who supports you. Call that radio. As a YouTube member or as a patreon at patreon.com forward/call that radio. The show only exists because of you. We're going to do another one. We've got Loki tomorrow night in the show we'll get down the Garvey talking about Trauma Industrial Complex, which is his new book and his new friends show that he's taken to Glasgow for the first time on November 23rd, hosted by, you call that Radio Ivory Blacks. So he'll be on the show tomorrow night at seven, half past seven tomorrow night. But right now I'm just going to get the taxi, get the tax. I put it in the comments. Click that link. I'm just, we're just going to go live to Yorkshire right now and speak to China Shop Bill who are rap rock pioneers from Leeds and they've been about for, for ages, man. They're just always, they're always been there and they're amazing, they play all the, the best festivals and as I'm looking forward to catching up with them so I'll see in five minutes at that link there and going buy the Doogies album as well and I'll see you for China Shop Bill in a second. Bye.