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The Legend of MF DOOM · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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Speaker 1: like to do to start off the podcast is just
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Speaker 1: kind of look at what's going on in hip hop
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Speaker 1: history and October twenty second, twenty twelve, Kendrick Lamar released
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Speaker 1: his major label debut, Good Kid, Mad City Tone. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure you were up on k dot way before that,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. When he was k dot
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Speaker 1: to most people, but when he finally got the chance
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Speaker 1: to release like the album, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: like probably the culmination of what he'd been working towards
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Speaker 1: up to that point. What were your thoughts on the project?
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Speaker 3: Okay, so look leaning up to it, like I knew,
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Speaker 3: let's say, I knew it was coming down in a
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks. I was already playing section eighty hard,
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, the kind of indie debut album,
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Speaker 3: and after hearing Cushion Corinthians. I have an article about
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Speaker 3: breaking the song down on Tomdadome dot com man and
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Speaker 3: hearing that Reagan era you know what I'm saying, High Power,
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, produced by Jaco, just so
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Speaker 3: many amazing songs on section eighty and now, of course
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Speaker 3: years and years later you can see pictures and video
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Speaker 3: of hundred three thousand there with him, doctor Dread and
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Speaker 3: there with him. You know what I'm saying, a bus,
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Speaker 3: you know, for real, you know everybody like that, and
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Speaker 3: you know, it just kind of start up of seeing
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Speaker 3: something special.
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Speaker 2: So hearing about good getting mad shit.
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Speaker 3: I think I heard maybe swimming Pool because you know,
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Speaker 3: it's like one of them singles or whatever.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember the very first single.
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Speaker 3: I was talking to my head, but that I got heard,
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Speaker 3: So I gonna heard on a mixtape anywhere. You know,
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Speaker 3: I'm always fishing, but I was like, okay, he's back,
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Speaker 3: just kind of ready to hear the album. You never
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Speaker 3: know when you're gonna you know, before you put out
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Speaker 3: what's gonna be, you know, especially with expectations real high.
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Speaker 3: Put that joint in man, and I'll say this, get
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Speaker 3: to the end of that album. You know, after you
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Speaker 3: sit there and you were like, you know what, I
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Speaker 3: literally just heard something special, you know, and I thought
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Speaker 3: that by the time I got to a single about me,
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Speaker 3: I was like, you know, that song is like eight
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Speaker 3: nine minutes long, man, and just the way he told
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Speaker 3: that story, it was amazing, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: So we are hearing that. I knew he was special.
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Speaker 3: But really, when that black boyfly, I was like, I
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Speaker 3: was like, Wow, I think we might have the next
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Speaker 3: West Coast classic album. That's kind of what I was thinking.
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Speaker 3: And it didn't take me like ten rides, you know
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying to get to that conclusion. Man, I
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Speaker 3: thought I listened to him, you know, I was getting
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Speaker 3: a little bit more knowledge. But I was kind of like,
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Speaker 3: I think this is the one. I think this might
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Speaker 3: be the album of a generation. And when I started
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Speaker 3: talking about it at that time, some people thought I
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Speaker 3: was just you know, it's funny now because some people
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Speaker 3: think I'm just new Kendrick Lamar fan when you can
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Speaker 3: go back and I've been talking about Kate dot since
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Speaker 3: since vandits lady like, I said, you know, so whatever,
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Speaker 3: But yeah, man, I knew something special, bab I mean,
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Speaker 3: I felt like.
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Speaker 2: It was the one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just for those like who don't know, and
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Speaker 1: we just mentioned Kendrick Lamar was one of our first episodes.
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Speaker 1: The we talked about the control verbs and you know
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Speaker 1: what that did in hip hop. But I'm like you man,
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Speaker 1: I was. I was on like I didn't catch k
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Speaker 1: Dot's mixtapes until I heard Section eighty because when I
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Speaker 1: heard section eighty, I was like, Wow, this is incredible.
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Speaker 1: This is like an album you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: and he's young, but he's talking some real deep shit
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And it just came together
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Speaker 1: like the albums we knew from the nineties. So when
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Speaker 1: you know, he had his major debut on the horizon
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Speaker 1: and I heard when I first heard Swimming Pools, I
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Speaker 1: was thinking, like, h they are they trying to like
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Speaker 1: do the you know, we give y'all the street shit
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Speaker 1: on the mixtape side, but when it comes to the album,
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Speaker 1: we're going to just give you jams for the radio.
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Speaker 1: But the more I heard it, the more I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: now I mess with it anyway. And once I heard
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Speaker 1: the album, I was you said it right, like when
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Speaker 1: you know, oh, this is special. This ain't just oh
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Speaker 1: this is a dope album. No, this is this is
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Speaker 1: something different, And I agree, Like I felt like at
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Speaker 1: the time, this is when I was like doing the
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Speaker 1: early gym test when I would listen to new albums
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Speaker 1: and I just remember like it kind of had me
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Speaker 1: in the zone because I was so focused on everything
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Speaker 1: that was happening. I was just able to work out
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Speaker 1: and not think about it. But yeah, man, crazy album class.
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Speaker 2: Concept is basically one long it's like a story for
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: Album.
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Speaker 3: So I mean he I like the way the little
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Speaker 3: skits or the little times within the album where his
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Speaker 3: parents on the phone and mom talking about getting something
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Speaker 3: from the store makes people some gas in my car,
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying like that, and we could
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Speaker 3: relate to that being like your.
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Speaker 2: Teenagers, like your parents.
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Speaker 3: If you're lucky enough for your parents let you drive
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Speaker 3: before you get your card, you better not bring that
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Speaker 3: thing back and eat, you.
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Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, right, And it was a question,
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Speaker 1: I guess the thing with that album for those who
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Speaker 1: don't know who are wrapped up in social media battles
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Speaker 1: and the drake and blah blah blah and all that shit,
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Speaker 1: what was dope about this album? Like you said, as
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Speaker 1: a concept, typically most rappers first album is like their biography.
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Speaker 1: That's how it's supposed to be. Like you're just letting
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Speaker 1: the world know who you are, what you're about, your people's,
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Speaker 1: your block, just everything. And Kendrick kind of took that
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Speaker 1: concept and really dug into it. So it's like it
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Speaker 1: feels West Coast, but it feels inspired by East Coast,
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Speaker 1: and it feels inspired by the nineties. But everything is
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Speaker 1: not like old school sounding or anything like that. It
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Speaker 1: was just everything and then the skits, like you said,
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Speaker 1: like we all know if you grew up in the nineties,
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Speaker 1: boy you press play, you getting some skits like from
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Speaker 1: most albums, but it was all meaningful and it all
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Speaker 1: played into the whole neighborhood vibe of the album. So yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: classic album. You know, y'all should definitely go back and listen.
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Speaker 1: We know there's been new joints and stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: and especially if you were somebody was introduced to k
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Speaker 1: through the battle and maybe you love G and X,
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Speaker 1: you should definitely go back in the catalog. You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to check out good kid Man City.
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Speaker 1: But what we're here to talk about today ironically, the
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Speaker 1: first album was also released in October. But it's a
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Speaker 1: guy who I think at the time, you know, we
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Speaker 1: all had different opinions about but there was some fans
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Speaker 1: that were like, nah, But when you look in retrospect,
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Speaker 1: it's he definitely life a big impression on the game.
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Speaker 1: So tone tell the people where we talked about.
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Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad they had this conversation.
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Speaker 3: But it's also bid a sweet because the brothers no
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Speaker 3: longer with us, of course, passing several years ago.
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Speaker 2: Man, But when we think.
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Speaker 3: About when MC had a moment and then they maybe
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Speaker 3: disappear for a while and then come back years later
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Speaker 3: and stuff. But that sometimes we don't know how it's
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Speaker 3: gonna be. You know, we don't know if that rhymic
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Speaker 3: gonna still be the same or you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: did the break hurt him? Like how did Shine for example,
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Speaker 3: no disrespect he even admitted that, or do they would
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Speaker 3: it helped, you know what I'm saying, Like there's people
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Speaker 3: came out of jail, I mean, Tupac, a little bit
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Speaker 3: of time came out after Milligan's.
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Speaker 2: World made all that for me, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: But in this case, today.
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Speaker 3: The person who had the biggest man just chat and
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Speaker 3: you know it's just a new MC, a new artist.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 3: The biggest transition I've ever seen from in their history
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Speaker 3: of hip hop.
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Speaker 2: Nineties group km D guy named zeb Love.
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Speaker 3: Man personal tragedy that we'll get into disappears comes back
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Speaker 3: at the height. Were the beginning of what's going to
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Speaker 3: be a Rackers movement, underground resurgence, all of that. Zev
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Speaker 3: Love turns into MF doom all cap letters too now
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Speaker 3: and changes the whole world.
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Speaker 2: Man, What's some of your initial thoughts made.
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Speaker 1: Well around the time when while starting at the beginning
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Speaker 1: with zeb Love acts like I remember hearing him on
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Speaker 1: a gas face with third Base and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I like that, dude. You know, It's similar to some
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Speaker 1: of us who saw Tupac first with Digital Underground and
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Speaker 1: was like, Yo, I like that dude. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, same song. So I felt that way about
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Speaker 1: zev Love X. I thought he was cool, We had
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Speaker 1: a nice flow, we had a decent voice to go with.
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Speaker 2: It, kind of the Quame era, you know all that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of fit the error, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying at the time, And same thing with kim
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Speaker 1: D songs you know, were kind of fun, like peach Fuzz,
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Speaker 1: Like it's crazy you make a whole song about having
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Speaker 1: a little bit of facial you know.
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Speaker 2: It had a nice vibe to it had a native
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Speaker 2: tongue feel too.
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Speaker 3: You know, mister Hood being the debut album that came
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Speaker 3: out like ninety one. You know what I'm saying, So well, yeah, man,
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Speaker 3: yeah that was that was They fit that moment in time.
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Speaker 1: You know, they definitely, they definitely didn't. I remember feeling
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Speaker 1: like like anxious to because you know, if you like somebody,
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Speaker 1: you know you want to hear more music from him,
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Speaker 1: and feeling anxious about that. But you know, like we're
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Speaker 1: going to get into everything. And when MF Doom came around,
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Speaker 1: I did not know that was Zev Love Acts. I
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Speaker 1: was just like, who's this dude?
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Look, no, you know what,
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Speaker 3: I haven't spoken to any one yet who said they
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Speaker 3: knew in Liken eight ninety nine is when he came.
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Speaker 3: When he came back on the scene, he dropped the
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Speaker 3: debut and we're gonna talk about nobody.
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Speaker 2: There was zeb lit x from km D.
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Speaker 3: A lot of us didn't even know back then that
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Speaker 3: that that zeb was from the UK.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: I know, I know they end up living in I
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Speaker 3: think you know, they end up living in like Long
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Speaker 3: Island or somewhere or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But he's from the UK, him and his brother Richard
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Speaker 2: p Sil.
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Speaker 1: That's what's that's what's crazy about it, right, Like it's
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Speaker 1: almost as if we learned more about him and the
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Speaker 1: group as tragedy struck. Right, his brother DJ sub Rock
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Speaker 1: passed away unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: And that's when he disappeared.
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Speaker 1: That's when he disappeared. Also their album there they their
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Speaker 1: sophomore album, Black Bastards, getting shelved mainly because of the
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Speaker 1: cover was like a sambo who which was yeah, a
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Speaker 1: part of their image anyway, like and not in an
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Speaker 1: embracing sambo kind of like mocking it in a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways. But it was the sambo hanging on the
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Speaker 1: cover of the second album, and I remember it got
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Speaker 1: shelved and I'm not gonna lie to you tone like
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Speaker 1: you know this back during the Source days, I'm thinking, like,
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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to zeb love X, Like you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously he took his brother's death pretty hard.
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Speaker 2: And now, yeah, they said.
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Speaker 3: It's come a long time to really you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: to deal with that and COVID DAN and stuff like that,
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Speaker 3: and that's when he totally and put it again. Let
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Speaker 3: me say this too, you know, and bless us to
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Speaker 3: that situation. But back then, if you didn't look, I'm
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Speaker 3: a big group or you know artist.
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Speaker 2: A lot you know what I mean, A lot of
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Speaker 2: people came out with one or.
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Speaker 3: Two good songs, even a decent first album, a great
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Speaker 3: first album, and you never heard from him again.
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Speaker 2: So KMD disappearing, even if his brother, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, obviously we wished the brothers was both us still
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Speaker 3: with us, but if nothing, nothing happened, they might have
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Speaker 3: not made it because it was so hard to make
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Speaker 3: it during that time. And unfortunately, even though mister Hood
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Speaker 3: was good, it's not people instinct, the travels, you know,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't you know, it wasn't your rush the show
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Speaker 3: and pay them full. So you know, it wasn't nothing
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Speaker 3: that's gonna make the second album would have had to
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Speaker 3: come right back, you know, two three years later to
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Speaker 3: keep some momental you you turn to you know, one
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Speaker 3: of those nineties groups of eighties groups that disappeared, or
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Speaker 3: early two thousand group that disappear man, but.
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Speaker 2: Him coming back as MF. Dooman. I don't know where
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Speaker 2: you want a second, want to go at it, but
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Speaker 2: when Operation Dooms they dropped.
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Speaker 3: It was it came in the middle of the same
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Speaker 3: time when you're getting the Black Star album, Pharaoh Mush
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Speaker 3: and you know, turn a fair situation black on both sides,
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Speaker 3: training and thought this whole area, know, like ninety eight
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Speaker 3: when Black Star hit off to like two thousand Fi
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Speaker 3: Sis and be out in the underground, and the researchers
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Speaker 3: of that style and flavor of hip hop you know,
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Speaker 3: came back Lyricis Lounge all that stuff too.
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Speaker 2: So you know, he came.
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Speaker 3: Doing a time where you had to be good during
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Speaker 3: that time too, because you had these heavyweight underground cats
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Speaker 3: who was really were good.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Black Start really was good, Pharaoh much was really was good.
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Speaker 3: Em and him at that time really was good. He
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Speaker 3: had to joint any man on sound bombing too, just
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Speaker 3: in case somebody trying to fact Jimmie.
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Speaker 2: He was part of all of that.
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Speaker 3: Hammon Sadaidaks, all these guys was doing a lot of
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Speaker 3: stuff at the time, you know, and when MF Doone
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Speaker 3: came in with the look with the metal Facebook getting
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Speaker 3: all of that, and it's like, first of all, nobody
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Speaker 3: was that animated, looked like a character from the you know.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, It just me first seeing
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Speaker 3: him and hearing Operations Dooms. I didn't know what to
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Speaker 3: think because I was like he had his style, unknoath,
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Speaker 3: the douts, flowing rhyme, man and stuff with going to
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Speaker 3: most people who really loved him as well as the MC.
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Speaker 2: Some gradham Seas really loved MF. Doom.
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Speaker 3: He was so different, vague, but the beats because we
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Speaker 3: actually got to say this too. The brother wasn't just
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Speaker 3: an MC because he was an EMC. He was adult
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Speaker 3: producer and inspire some other producers. Matlin was about that
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Speaker 3: a few you know what I'm saying. So MF Doo
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Speaker 3: made Beats Man and Beats Farms of Life.
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Speaker 2: For real, man.
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Speaker 3: But I was just thinking, man, when you heard some
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Speaker 3: Operation Doomsday, bro.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie man. Around the time that
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Speaker 1: I even like I would see images of that album,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. And around the time,
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Speaker 1: and it probably wasn't ninety eight because I wasn't on
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Speaker 1: the radio. It might have been even later. He probably
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Speaker 1: had a couple of projects, but it was later. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was doing strictly hip hop in Baltimore. I had
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Speaker 1: just started, and I remember like, Dugy Old play Yah,
17:14
Speaker 1: y'all need to play MF Doom. Y'all need to play
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Speaker 1: MF Doom. And at first I was like, man, shut
17:18
Speaker 1: the fuck up, who are you tell me what to play?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: But then you know, I would see and I remember
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Speaker 1: like we would do this thing. You know. The show
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Speaker 1: was Fridays from midnight to five a m. But during
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Speaker 1: the day or during the week, you know, we come
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Speaker 1: by and listen to music and decide, you know, what
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Speaker 1: we're gonna play. And I was like, oh, here go
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Speaker 1: that album, just sitting in the bend and I remember
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Speaker 1: playing it and I was like, what the fuck is
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Speaker 1: he talking about? Like who is because it was so like,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, like at first, when I heard
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Speaker 1: the beat with the shade samp, I was like, I
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Speaker 1: might have to play this, like you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: And then when he started rhyming, I was like, what
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Speaker 1: is this and I heard.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? And then also it didn't help that dudes who
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Speaker 1: didn't understand that when you're playing music for the radio,
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Speaker 1: you're playing for everybody and not just one sector of
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Speaker 1: fans versus another. So they always wanted something that not
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Speaker 1: many people were talking about. But I just remember listening like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I could get into this. And
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Speaker 1: I think when I got interested is when somebody told me,
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Speaker 1: like one of the interns was like, yo, that's Zev
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Speaker 1: love X from km D. And then when I went
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Speaker 1: back and listened, I was like, that is him because
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Speaker 1: the joys. Yep. Then I kind of opened up a
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Speaker 1: little bit too, the ron patterns, and even though I
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Speaker 1: came to like him even more later, that was my
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Speaker 1: initial thoughts. It was more so like, am I playing
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Speaker 1: is for radio? Do I like it personally? Oh? Shit?
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Speaker 1: Is Zev love X? Wait a minute? He made the beats?
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Speaker 3: Like, you know what, because he's one of those he's
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Speaker 3: so unique, you know what I'm saying. So he's gonna
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Speaker 3: be acquired taste for one, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: So it's and that's that's not a bad thing because
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Speaker 3: what he became, and you know, we'll get all there
19:13
Speaker 3: is it's an underground legend, probably one of the biggest
19:16
Speaker 3: legends in the underground hip hop is crazy because you know,
19:20
Speaker 3: I remember him passing my wife, don't listen to the
19:22
Speaker 3: ground hip hop like that. She's listening to g Z
19:24
Speaker 3: and t I and all that. But when I said, man, Emma, no, no,
19:27
Speaker 3: she came downstairs. I was looking at him, and she's like,
19:30
Speaker 3: I just saw something like some guy named the mL
19:33
Speaker 3: do because you a hip hop head, Tony, you know
19:34
Speaker 3: that's my wife said like you got the mL.
19:37
Speaker 2: Doing with the thing on his face? He died.
19:39
Speaker 3: I'm huh, you know what I'm saying like, and I
19:42
Speaker 3: was like, man, you know what I'm saying, like, of
19:45
Speaker 3: course that's part of the hip hop family. So you know,
19:47
Speaker 3: if you feel the pain for they loved ones and
19:50
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And then there's two brothers going to
19:52
Speaker 3: you know, pretty young one of was very young obviously
19:54
Speaker 3: the mL for forty nine, but you know, like, you know,
19:57
Speaker 3: going back to it initially hearing that Operations Doomsday. One
20:01
Speaker 3: thing that he did that I was waiting for someone
20:03
Speaker 3: to do, or more people to do, is to take
20:05
Speaker 3: a shot they sample. You know what I'm saying, Like,
20:07
Speaker 3: you know he used shot they for the Doomsday song.
20:11
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, and it was just it
20:14
Speaker 3: was just dope to hear that. Obviously, when he started rhyming,
20:16
Speaker 3: it's almost like he was on beat but offbeat, you
20:19
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like it's it's hard to explain
20:22
Speaker 3: MF Doom style, you know what I'm saying, But he
20:24
Speaker 3: actually influenced a lot of people as MF Doom, you know,
20:27
Speaker 3: not just his people over over in Europe, but even
20:30
Speaker 3: underground people here in America also was influenced by his
20:33
Speaker 3: flow and just kind of the way he constructed.
20:37
Speaker 2: Songs and it was his production. For example.
20:40
Speaker 3: Obviously we know about at some point that he drops
20:44
Speaker 3: another underground classic album that's held it's one of the
20:49
Speaker 3: greatest hip hop albums of all time and possibly the
20:53
Speaker 3: greatest underground album of all time. He did with Mad
20:56
Speaker 3: Lived In, Mad Villainy and Yah Yeah Man Villain and
21:03
Speaker 3: that came out in two thousand and four. And let
21:05
Speaker 3: me also preface that by saying that M Food also
21:09
Speaker 3: came out in two thousand and four. So MF Doom
21:13
Speaker 3: had two projects dropped in the same year, one in
21:16
Speaker 3: March and one in November. He's just so he's talking
21:18
Speaker 3: about MF. The EMM Food is a great album, you
21:22
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. That's his solo joint, you know
21:25
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And then you have that's like his
21:27
Speaker 3: fourth album. At that time, he was pumping solo albums out,
21:30
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
21:31
Speaker 1: He did a couple of things where yeah he had
21:35
Speaker 1: a bunch of collaborations.
21:37
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, a whole lot of that. But this
21:39
Speaker 3: is the same year when he worked with did the
21:41
Speaker 3: Drawing a Man a little bit. People still rave about it. Actually,
21:45
Speaker 3: Pitchfork just did their top we one hundred albums of
21:48
Speaker 3: all time. I want to say the Man Villain Joint
21:51
Speaker 3: was like now it's head and I'm just saying, but
21:53
Speaker 3: that's a xample. If you look at the professional ratings
21:57
Speaker 3: and stars and all the kind of like Mike's other
22:00
Speaker 3: you know, outlets, he got like a four point fiveusand
22:03
Speaker 3: and five like perfect all the way out, you know
22:05
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So it's a monumental album in underground
22:10
Speaker 3: hip hop that stood the test of time when it's
22:13
Speaker 3: coat following, and this is two thousand and four, and
22:15
Speaker 3: again there EMM Food album in two thousand and four
22:18
Speaker 3: as well, So he's blazing He's basically the underground king
22:23
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, and a lot of people
22:25
Speaker 3: his core fan base they knew that, but a lot
22:28
Speaker 3: of you know, hip hop heads and some casules didn't
22:31
Speaker 3: know that about MF done On the underground, he was
22:34
Speaker 3: revered like there's a video of fucking say real quick, Hey,
22:39
Speaker 3: that's video. You can go on YouTube and put in
22:42
Speaker 3: most depth talks MF dou He spent his whole song
22:46
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and then he broke down
22:48
Speaker 3: and talked about some of the lines that MF dooing
22:51
Speaker 3: was saying, you know what I mean? And he and
22:54
Speaker 3: also this video one of his last performances. I see
22:57
Speaker 3: the video when Tyler the Creator uh and and our
23:01
Speaker 3: future them guys met MF. Doom like one dude like
23:04
Speaker 3: he's about to cry when he met him.
23:05
Speaker 2: Bro and.
23:07
Speaker 3: Tyler the Creator was jumping up and down. So this
23:10
Speaker 3: showed up behind the stage. They would spending every word
23:12
Speaker 3: that MF Doom was saying, and we know how big
23:15
Speaker 3: it was. Start Tyler Creator turned out to be in
23:17
Speaker 3: hip hop and one of his heroes was MF. Doom,
23:21
Speaker 3: same with Matt Lives also talked about as one of
23:25
Speaker 3: the great producers in hip hop, and he said he
23:28
Speaker 3: heard Operations Doom Day and were like, man, where you
23:32
Speaker 3: get those samples from? You know what I'm saying? And
23:35
Speaker 3: the way he was making his beats. He said he
23:37
Speaker 3: became a fan right then. And then Matt Villain McGann.
23:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think like if people who don't know MF.
23:46
Speaker 1: Doom and you start, like I'm gonna start with his
23:48
Speaker 1: first album, Operation Doomsday, right, it's probably the best introduction
23:52
Speaker 1: you can get to what he is and his style
23:56
Speaker 1: because his production kind of matched his rum style because
24:00
Speaker 1: they'll have like game show sounds coming in and Shade's
24:04
Speaker 1: playing and then there's like boom back drums and it'll
24:07
Speaker 1: stop and have like some kind of fifties news like.
24:12
Speaker 2: It has like some Mike like Marvel type, you know
24:17
Speaker 2: right right right, you know the comic books will yeah.
24:21
Speaker 1: Like like when you think about it, some people do
24:25
Speaker 1: this now, like when you see like cats post beats,
24:27
Speaker 1: but it's like a cartoon from the eighties or seventies
24:31
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like that was his music.
24:34
Speaker 3: His music sound that over twenty five years ago. I
24:38
Speaker 3: mean Obrigda came out in nineteen ninety nine, so he
24:42
Speaker 3: might have done it.
24:43
Speaker 2: He might have done it in ninety seven, ninety eight.
24:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was already on it, which that's what made
24:49
Speaker 1: it interesting real quick, Like I had looked up I
24:55
Speaker 1: was like, you know, what, what the hell does MF mean?
24:58
Speaker 1: And when you google it, metal face comes up, even
25:03
Speaker 1: metal fingers. I guess that was for his production. But
25:07
Speaker 1: on this project with MF. Griff, which is another dope project,
25:12
Speaker 1: checking that's another collaboration, he says mad Flows.
25:17
Speaker 2: He said that, you.
25:19
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, And I was like, wow, and
25:21
Speaker 1: I know when it comes to Doom, all of that
25:24
Speaker 1: shit means it. But one other thing that I used
25:28
Speaker 1: to hear about him that was slowly making me a
25:31
Speaker 1: fan in the early two thousands was sometimes he would
25:35
Speaker 1: have shows and the niggo on stage wouldn't even be him.
25:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll just.
25:39
Speaker 1: Be a darkskinned dude with a mask and people wouldn't
25:42
Speaker 1: know whether Dune was performing or some duplicate he done
25:47
Speaker 1: paid or what. And I think, you know what his
25:52
Speaker 1: career made me think about, and you know we talk
25:55
Speaker 1: about that too, is what ghost Face wanted to do. MF.
26:00
Speaker 1: Doom did. Like remember, ghost Face was like, I'm never
26:02
Speaker 1: gonna show my face. I'm gonna just have the mask
26:05
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be it. MF Doom did that for real?
26:08
Speaker 2: You really? Why? You know what? That's that's fun.
26:11
Speaker 3: He absolutely did, And once he became m F Doom,
26:14
Speaker 3: he never performed without that mask. He didn't do interviews
26:18
Speaker 3: without the mask on. You want this if you went
26:20
Speaker 3: to this, you know his trailer or someone, he has
26:23
Speaker 3: the mask on.
26:24
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
26:25
Speaker 3: So you're right, he's literally like when they say those
26:28
Speaker 3: those method actors when they staying, when they stayed in
26:31
Speaker 3: character all the time, but he really stayed and he
26:34
Speaker 3: was MF doing for real.
26:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
26:37
Speaker 2: He couldn't do it.
26:39
Speaker 1: Ghost Face couldn't do it like he tried. But you know,
26:43
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of worked out for ghost Face,
26:45
Speaker 1: you know, you know, but m F Doom kind of,
26:50
Speaker 1: like you said, he kind of stuck to that for
26:54
Speaker 1: the time being. But he worked with like Tom said,
26:57
Speaker 1: he worked with Madly, He worked with Danger Mouse. He
27:03
Speaker 1: had a whole other project that I thought I didn't
27:06
Speaker 1: hear before. So I asked the group chat, like, oh,
27:08
Speaker 1: send me that joint, the Victor Vaughan Jointed. But then
27:11
Speaker 1: when I started playing, I was like, oh I heard
27:14
Speaker 1: this back then. This dude had all these different monikers
27:18
Speaker 1: and mixtapes and albums. It's a lot of music.
27:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, all his production, his beats
27:31
Speaker 3: to your point a few minutes ago, you made they
27:33
Speaker 3: all work perfect with him, his production in terms of
27:36
Speaker 3: like it sounded like something he would wrap over, you.
27:40
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. And he was, he was making
27:42
Speaker 2: those beats. You know what I'm saying that again.
27:44
Speaker 3: When I said it's about man with a few minutes
27:46
Speaker 3: ago and Tyler, well, if some of you guys might
27:49
Speaker 3: not realize Town to Create is a producer also, so
27:51
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of his dope songs you love,
27:53
Speaker 3: he produced it, you know what I'm saying. So get
27:56
Speaker 3: also influenced by Doom, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, man,
28:00
Speaker 3: now it's so so dope to think about it.
28:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you think about old odd future Wolf game, ah,
28:11
Speaker 1: it sounds a lot like Doom, Like just influence.
28:14
Speaker 3: And then so many people obviously and uh you know
28:17
Speaker 3: in the UK, but also man, you know having fans
28:21
Speaker 3: you know on the underground like day Lot Soul where
28:23
Speaker 3: you know, Grindde come out in two thousand and four
28:25
Speaker 3: to get MF.
28:26
Speaker 2: Doom was on fire.
28:28
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because he's he's own joints
28:30
Speaker 3: with Daylight Soul at that point, but he also has
28:32
Speaker 3: the EMM Food and the mad Villa and.
28:34
Speaker 1: Jordan was he on he was on Rock Cocaine Flow, right, Oh,
28:39
Speaker 1: Rock Cocaine Flow. He was on there. Yeah, Grande joint.
28:45
Speaker 2: Uh they did.
28:46
Speaker 3: They performed live on like uh late night talk show
28:49
Speaker 3: and Doom came out performing Daylight.
28:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember that, and I remember he murdered that.
28:55
Speaker 1: And for me, in my mind, it kept saying, of
28:59
Speaker 1: course he did. Love X. I thought he was nice
29:02
Speaker 1: back then, Yeah he was. He was different, he was
29:06
Speaker 1: different now.
29:06
Speaker 3: You know what dope I said real quick is when
29:10
Speaker 3: they came out with km D, that's kind of like
29:12
Speaker 3: that native tongue vibe. And I would have imagined all
29:16
Speaker 3: of them probably ranting each other several times and in
29:19
Speaker 3: New York and hung out because I was km D
29:21
Speaker 3: was kind of like the understudy of third Base because
29:25
Speaker 3: zeb love X a K MF.
29:27
Speaker 2: Doom.
29:28
Speaker 3: He talked before in old videos that third that that
29:32
Speaker 3: MC search basically gave him a chance. You know what
29:35
Speaker 3: I'm saying and put them on you know what I'm saying.
29:37
Speaker 3: So that's MC search again, uh help putting, help put
29:41
Speaker 3: with nas, with los profels, and help with uh zeph
29:44
Speaker 3: love with km D. He turns out to be MF Doom.
29:48
Speaker 3: If there's no km D. You know, if if MC
29:51
Speaker 3: search doesn't help these guys back in the you know,
29:54
Speaker 3: late eighties and what have you earlier, you know, before ninety,
29:57
Speaker 3: and they don't become km D, then they might not
30:00
Speaker 3: ever been an MF du So hip hop is different.
30:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just looked to confirm it was rock
30:08
Speaker 1: cocaine flow because I remember, like, yeah, I felt like
30:12
Speaker 1: that was a doom style beat. Also, you know a
30:15
Speaker 1: beat that's going one temple so to a statter almost. Yeah.
30:21
Speaker 1: And even though everybody I don't know, I don't know
30:24
Speaker 1: who made that beat, I think that's Dyla. I think
30:28
Speaker 1: I think Dyla might have made that joint.
30:30
Speaker 2: He can make any he can make anything, so right, I.
30:34
Speaker 1: Can't I can't remember, so y'all leave it in a
30:36
Speaker 1: common self.
30:37
Speaker 2: Y y'all fact you doesn't let us know who made
30:39
Speaker 2: the beat to that joint?
30:41
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, one thing I was going to say
30:44
Speaker 1: about him, like there's a there's a documentary or like footage.
30:50
Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly, I don't know what it is.
30:53
Speaker 1: It's either footage or footage from a documentary or whatever.
30:56
Speaker 1: But of him and Madly before mad Villainy kind of
31:03
Speaker 1: first of all, digging for beats, Yeah, on each other,
31:07
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, And yeah, I know
31:09
Speaker 1: that was all they're talking about. You know, you know
31:13
Speaker 1: how they became cool and you know they're different methods
31:18
Speaker 1: or whatever. And you could see it's kind of dope
31:20
Speaker 1: to see because, like you said earlier, mad Lib is like,
31:25
Speaker 1: you know, like I rock with this dude, like I'm learning.
31:27
Speaker 1: You could tell he feels like he's learning something from me.
31:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And what.
31:32
Speaker 1: I like about MF. Dune especially sometimes in those interviews,
31:37
Speaker 1: he didn't have like a he was just him, like
31:41
Speaker 1: he didn't have a big head about what he had
31:44
Speaker 1: to say, or you know, whether even when he met
31:48
Speaker 1: Tyler and all of them, he was like what's up? Yeah,
31:51
Speaker 1: it was regular. It was regular ship like it came
31:54
Speaker 1: up author, you know what I'm saying.
31:56
Speaker 2: So, you know a lot of people liked him.
31:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now obviously there was at some point even with
32:05
Speaker 1: mad Villainy, Like I think Mad Villainy introduced him to
32:10
Speaker 1: a broader audience, but I don't think it adored him
32:14
Speaker 1: to like you said, the hip hop heads who weren't
32:17
Speaker 1: on MF Doom like that. I still felt like there
32:20
Speaker 1: was a there were people who still felt some kind
32:23
Speaker 1: of way about the music. I know, me it was
32:25
Speaker 1: a little bit. I was a little bit slow with
32:27
Speaker 1: liking certain things versus not like another video. What do
32:31
Speaker 1: you feel about or what do you feel it was
32:34
Speaker 1: about his style that it wasn't digestible to hip hop
32:40
Speaker 1: fans who or let me just say hip hop heads
32:44
Speaker 1: who say they care about different flows and styles and
32:48
Speaker 1: being unique, not really looking at Doom right off the
32:52
Speaker 1: bat and his music and saying, yo, this is hip hop.
32:57
Speaker 2: I mean there's a few things, man.
33:00
Speaker 1: You know.
33:00
Speaker 3: One is he's not your traditional MC. So let's talk
33:06
Speaker 3: about East Coast for example. He's not gonna have these
33:08
Speaker 3: bars that maybe people you know who like the way
33:12
Speaker 3: Jadak is not raped. He don't rap like them, you
33:15
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. You know, you know could put
33:17
Speaker 3: songs together like them. He is very unique as flow.
33:21
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of hard to describe it.
33:24
Speaker 3: You know, it's very abstract with the way he rapped,
33:26
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and even his production it's underground,
33:30
Speaker 3: but it's even different than what you would have heard
33:33
Speaker 3: on MF doing album or project. Sound like an MF
33:36
Speaker 3: doing album project, you know what I'm saying. You know,
33:39
Speaker 3: Pharaoh and Tyler and most of all them, all the
33:42
Speaker 3: albums was dope, but it was in the same vein
33:45
Speaker 3: of production, high tech and all of them, you know
33:46
Speaker 3: what i mean, So you knew what their eighty eight kids,
33:49
Speaker 3: Q tip whoever, you know how it's gonna sound, which
33:52
Speaker 3: is a great day. MF doing sound was so not
33:56
Speaker 3: like anything else. And then his some people who you know,
34:00
Speaker 3: quote unquote some of the cool so so called street dudes,
34:05
Speaker 3: they really don't want to at the time, probably embrace
34:08
Speaker 3: somebody who got like a got a mask off.
34:10
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
34:11
Speaker 3: For some of those certain kind of cats, you can
34:13
Speaker 3: imagine them thinking this dude's corner, yo, you know what
34:15
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like and but not knowing that he's he's
34:18
Speaker 3: a dope cat, you know what I'm saying. But you
34:20
Speaker 3: will probably look at his experience to get corny hear
34:23
Speaker 3: his voice and flow and be like that ain't my
34:26
Speaker 3: style because we used to think chopped up a little different. Well,
34:28
Speaker 3: I'm here in rhyms for you know, for those kind
34:30
Speaker 3: of So then you got the underground and it's kind
34:33
Speaker 3: of like eclectic kids just embraced him. Of course, you
34:38
Speaker 3: know they're gonna embrace you back at home in London
34:41
Speaker 3: and all over you know what I'm saying, Europe gonna embrace.
34:44
Speaker 3: But over here a lot of the college kids, quirky kids, skateboarders,
34:48
Speaker 3: all kind of kids from different black and some black
34:51
Speaker 3: kids who are kind of like artsy or whatever.
34:53
Speaker 2: They became mL dude loyalists, you know what I'm saying.
34:57
Speaker 3: And then the legend group it grew every year, and
35:02
Speaker 3: he was one of them, people like tech NW who
35:04
Speaker 3: when he went somewhere, his fan base followed him, you
35:08
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And MF. Doom had a real
35:10
Speaker 3: fan base before he passed away. And when he passed away,
35:14
Speaker 3: you know, they showed the love they consistently showed all
35:17
Speaker 3: the time, and he got even larger after he died.
35:21
Speaker 3: But that's not a slight when they say somebody get
35:24
Speaker 3: more feelings when they died or whatever.
35:25
Speaker 2: He did a lot of work while he was alive.
35:28
Speaker 3: I mean he had like six solo albums and then
35:32
Speaker 3: like seven collaborative album projects with other people, you.
35:35
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
35:36
Speaker 3: So he had he had like fit at the other
35:39
Speaker 3: mixtape he had. Yeah, he had a lot of work,
35:41
Speaker 3: and he produced almost all of his music, you know
35:44
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So he wrote it and produced all
35:47
Speaker 3: his music. So he had a legacy before he passed.
35:51
Speaker 3: But he got even more famous because a lot of
35:53
Speaker 3: people who would have overlooked him back then, like you
35:56
Speaker 3: know what, I'm just searching for other hip hop stuff
35:58
Speaker 3: over the last decade and some of that, and then
36:01
Speaker 3: you'd be like you're talking about this MF Doom Dude, Man,
36:03
Speaker 3: I just couldn't I mean, play it again. Then you
36:06
Speaker 3: start going through some of the albums here, like this
36:09
Speaker 3: dude really is dope.
36:11
Speaker 2: You know, I want to get I want.
36:12
Speaker 3: To give the listeners to like four or five of
36:14
Speaker 3: my favorite like Doom songs I wrote down to.
36:17
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, one thing I'll say is like a couple
36:22
Speaker 1: of things, like you mentioned with having projects, ghost Faces
36:26
Speaker 1: talked about him and Doom having a project.
36:30
Speaker 3: Songs on on one on one of those albums, dude,
36:33
Speaker 3: he did. Yeah, he was like two or three songs
36:36
Speaker 3: and it was either Fish Game. It might have been
36:40
Speaker 3: more Fish, I'm not I'm not sure right now. But
36:43
Speaker 3: Ghost said he had been trying to get with you
36:45
Speaker 3: when he finally got chance to get a couple of
36:46
Speaker 3: tracks off out of him.
36:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he Ghost appeared on the Danger Mouth Amounts
36:53
Speaker 1: project with him, and you know, obviously they sound dope together.
36:57
Speaker 2: They respected the joke.
37:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said they have enough songs for an album.
37:03
Speaker 1: But he also and I can't remember if this dropped
37:08
Speaker 1: after he passed, like close to when he passed, or
37:12
Speaker 1: right before or whatever, or when we didn't know he
37:14
Speaker 1: passed with Czar Faces Our Face meets Metal Face, which
37:20
Speaker 1: was an album you know that came out. Believed that
37:23
Speaker 1: might have came out twenty twenty or something like that,
37:25
Speaker 1: but we didn't find out it came out at the
37:31
Speaker 1: same time.
37:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, because people didn't find out to December. But passed
37:37
Speaker 2: on Halloween, right, And.
37:40
Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't believe it either because of
37:42
Speaker 1: those in the past of you know, him playing tricks
37:47
Speaker 1: with people being in shows, not being in shows and
37:49
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But like to Tone's point, you know,
37:56
Speaker 1: ghost Face was saying, like, you know, it's not just
37:58
Speaker 1: the project with me, like we got joints and he
38:02
Speaker 1: got a bunch of joints and uh, he left a
38:06
Speaker 1: lot of music. I agree. I feel like because I
38:12
Speaker 1: was one of those people who really didn't necessarily get
38:15
Speaker 1: into it, because I guess I didn't expect it. But
38:19
Speaker 1: it's weird because he was doing a lot of the
38:21
Speaker 1: same things that made some people not want to listen
38:23
Speaker 1: to eminem right, like doom to say some crazy ship
38:27
Speaker 1: like putting noodles out and you like noodles in your poodle?
38:30
Speaker 1: What the fun.
38:33
Speaker 2: You know what's funny. That's what's funny too, he said,
38:36
Speaker 2: I wrote this down. He said.
38:38
Speaker 3: He said, might snatch your life like a like a
38:42
Speaker 3: salt machine. So it's like he's saying salt like they kill,
38:51
Speaker 3: Like you know, I guess be a salt bad for you.
38:53
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I might snatch your life
38:56
Speaker 3: like assault machine, like yeah, something like that, and then
39:00
Speaker 3: also said my mind is Heaven's gates. Aswered me, that's
39:04
Speaker 3: pretty dope, man, my mind, my mind is Heaven's gates,
39:08
Speaker 3: answered me.
39:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, was wild Man.
39:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to your point, that's that's what it was,
39:15
Speaker 1: because I know that was the thing with the Hip
39:17
Speaker 1: Hop Show. They were people who were clamoring for us
39:20
Speaker 1: to play hip hop. I mean Mad Villain were not
39:23
Speaker 1: Mad Villain. Well, I guess all of it, to be honest,
39:26
Speaker 1: but Doom in general, and I kind of feel like
39:31
Speaker 1: after a while, I guess for me it was different
39:34
Speaker 1: because you know, it was zev love X and I
39:36
Speaker 1: had more of an interest around that time. But after
39:40
Speaker 1: a while I started to see why people really liked
39:43
Speaker 1: his music and what was really unique about him. And again,
39:47
Speaker 1: like we said, when you're talking about what hip hop
39:50
Speaker 1: is and all these damn rules and what people say
39:54
Speaker 1: the essences, it can't just apply to an archetype that
39:57
Speaker 1: you like. Hip Hop is a lot of different things.
40:00
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different flows people from elsewhere, you
40:03
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
40:04
Speaker 2: And those are just sitting it today on Twitter.
40:07
Speaker 1: Oh word, oh yeah, yeah, we'll say. I got a
40:11
Speaker 1: question at that at the end, I think, you know,
40:15
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, like people got to understand like what MF.
40:20
Speaker 1: Doom did for the game is something that kind of
40:25
Speaker 1: unfortunately is more appreciated now than it was when he
40:30
Speaker 1: was running the streets a live making albums and projects.
40:33
Speaker 1: I think he was building towards something. But again, his
40:36
Speaker 1: brother had been in the game since the early nineties. Yeah,
40:40
Speaker 1: so that's a lot of music. That's a lot of
40:43
Speaker 1: politics with the industry and radio and you know, you
40:47
Speaker 1: gotta feeds your family, all kinds of stuff. But I
40:49
Speaker 1: think he probably would have been able to reap more
40:53
Speaker 1: of that today as things got you know, a little
40:57
Speaker 1: bit more opened up, and you know, the minds of
41:00
Speaker 1: especially the kids, they like a lot. You know what
41:05
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
41:07
Speaker 3: Let me show you this real quick as you seem
41:16
Speaker 3: food here, m hm record. You know, he up there
41:22
Speaker 3: making beats and stuff now. So he inspired by M F.
41:25
Speaker 3: Doom also and Knife and uh and for Real and
41:29
Speaker 3: a few other guys. Man, but Doom is one of
41:32
Speaker 3: his guys that he's he inspires him also, and the
41:35
Speaker 3: game is about twelfth grade in high school.
41:37
Speaker 1: So M.
41:38
Speaker 2: Doom has that kind of effect on a lot of
41:41
Speaker 2: young new fans. You know what I'm saying.
41:43
Speaker 3: He's one of those people, man who is really uh,
41:47
Speaker 3: you know, gaining you know, And I think that was
41:50
Speaker 3: gonna happen even if you know he has been alive
41:52
Speaker 3: because that kind of uniqueness is bally gonna catch on
41:55
Speaker 3: the more and more people, especially a social media getting
41:58
Speaker 3: bigger and bigger.
41:59
Speaker 2: He was gonna, you know, he was gonna still.
42:00
Speaker 3: Do some of this, I believe, but you know, to
42:03
Speaker 3: my point, you know a lot of young people are
42:06
Speaker 3: really reallydiculous.
42:07
Speaker 2: But I ain't mean to cut off here.
42:08
Speaker 1: Of course he was gonna ask me, no, you kind
42:11
Speaker 1: of you actually kind of said it. It was really
42:14
Speaker 1: more so about what is MF. Doom's legacy in the game.
42:20
Speaker 1: And I think to your point, right like your son
42:22
Speaker 1: being in like exhibit A, is there's a generation of
42:27
Speaker 1: kids who enjoy his music. And he's undoubtedly hip hop.
42:33
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everything about him is hip
42:37
Speaker 1: hop and.
42:41
Speaker 2: That's what he did crazy. He won a few people. Man,
42:47
Speaker 2: I've seen who set Annita Baker, you know what I'm saying.
42:53
Speaker 1: That first that first album though, Operation Doomsday is such
42:58
Speaker 1: like it's.
42:59
Speaker 2: Almost album man.
43:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like looking at someone who you didn't really
43:05
Speaker 1: appreciate what was happening because of everything else that was
43:08
Speaker 1: happening around the time that dropped, and Mad Villainy was
43:12
Speaker 1: more so like a refinement of what he does, because
43:16
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is just the production
43:20
Speaker 1: is just so fucking dope on Mad Villainy, Like.
43:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it is, Man. But I'm gonna
43:25
Speaker 2: tell you.
43:27
Speaker 3: Like we said earlier, you know, the same year EMM
43:31
Speaker 3: Food come out and a production on that is that's yo.
43:35
Speaker 2: He dropped two bankers in the same year. Man, that
43:37
Speaker 2: don't happen a whole lot.
43:38
Speaker 1: No usually something most MC's got one in him. I
43:45
Speaker 1: gotta do this one time and that's that.
43:47
Speaker 2: You gotta give people a few recommendations too.
43:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, so go ahead to tell the people you know
43:53
Speaker 1: your favorite song album.
43:55
Speaker 3: Got a few of them down, Man. One of my
43:57
Speaker 3: favorite album actually is Operations Doing you know what I'm saying.
44:01
Speaker 3: That's my favorite from him. I know that, Man the
44:04
Speaker 3: Villain album is the most popular in the underground.
44:09
Speaker 1: Uh.
44:09
Speaker 3: I would say that my three favorite ones Operation of Doomsday,
44:13
Speaker 3: Mad Villain, and m M Food. I go back and
44:17
Speaker 3: forth between MM Food and uh Mad Villain though, to
44:20
Speaker 3: be honest with you, but I really like all three
44:22
Speaker 3: of them a whole lot.
44:23
Speaker 2: The Danger the Danger Mouse, I mean danger Zone is.
44:26
Speaker 3: It uh.
44:29
Speaker 2: Yeaheah, yeah, yeah, the one to deal with danger mouse. Man,
44:32
Speaker 2: it's it's dope. You know what I'm saying.
44:35
Speaker 3: He got a lot of dope albums though, you know
44:37
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like you got a lot of dope
44:38
Speaker 3: album a lot of dope collapse, you know what I'm saying.
44:41
Speaker 2: But yeah, my songs.
44:42
Speaker 3: He got one called the m C the n I
44:44
Speaker 3: c uh. It's called the mic. That's called the mic
44:48
Speaker 3: and it's on uh Operation Doom day Man. That's my
44:50
Speaker 3: probably my favorite uh uh m doom song.
44:54
Speaker 2: Man. So check out the.
44:55
Speaker 3: Mic, the m I C Operation Doomsday. I like I
44:59
Speaker 3: got I got to ask the Doomsday song because of
45:01
Speaker 3: the sample. I loved that one, rap snitches.
45:06
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
45:08
Speaker 3: Jesus that joint crazy whole Cake is crazy. You know
45:11
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Oh, case is crazy. Yeah, man, like
45:15
Speaker 3: like there's those those are ones that come to mom. Man,
45:18
Speaker 3: he has a lot of joints.
45:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is what I was in
45:24
Speaker 1: before I get my recommendation. But he did do two
45:26
Speaker 1: projects with MF. I mean with zar Face was at
45:30
Speaker 1: least before he passed. I was thinking that was just
45:33
Speaker 1: all one project in twenty eighteen, and then he uh
45:38
Speaker 1: had another album in twenty twenty one after he passed
45:42
Speaker 1: called Super What, which was another collaboration with zar Face.
45:47
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm kind of similar operations Doomsday. I
45:52
Speaker 1: just like it because it's the raw original, you know,
45:56
Speaker 1: coming out party for MF. Doom. The other one probably
46:01
Speaker 1: is Mad Villainy, just because it's almost as if he
46:07
Speaker 1: just jumped into another pocket on that one, also because
46:10
Speaker 1: of the collaboration, and then probably the other one I
46:16
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, I probably listened to the most
46:19
Speaker 1: over time was born like this because that track Gazillionaire.
46:24
Speaker 2: Air, I gotta go back and do the knowledge more.
46:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to that joint just it's it's one of
46:33
Speaker 1: those things where we could say, you know, oh yeah,
46:35
Speaker 1: you might hear this track and he's just randomly rapping
46:37
Speaker 1: and the beating is happening. But there are times like
46:40
Speaker 1: Rock Cocaine Flow and other songs where he just stepped
46:44
Speaker 1: back and pocket like, oh yeah, he can do it.
46:48
Speaker 2: He can do it right.
46:50
Speaker 1: Right when you hear gazillion it's like, oh, this dude
46:56
Speaker 1: is different, Like he he can do whatever.
46:59
Speaker 2: He can really rap.
47:00
Speaker 1: Right, he could do whatever he wants. But yeah, man,
47:05
Speaker 1: like again, like we said, MF. Doom, it's a legend
47:08
Speaker 1: in hip hop for one of the biggest reasons why
47:13
Speaker 1: we like care as much about hip hop and its originality.
47:17
Speaker 1: Like like Tom said, there's nobody like him. There's nobody
47:20
Speaker 1: who had a career like his where it was promising
47:25
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and tragedy strikes and your album gets
47:28
Speaker 1: shelved and all that, you disappear. You pop up at
47:32
Speaker 1: a time where it's shiny soup Tom Jay z out bad.
47:35
Speaker 1: But like and you here, you are just like boom here,
47:38
Speaker 1: y'all go mask I'm not even gonna tell you, I'm
47:41
Speaker 1: zeb love x you. You really had to listen to
47:45
Speaker 1: those early records to him say stuff like rest in Peace,
47:50
Speaker 1: sub Rocket.
47:50
Speaker 2: You're like, so you had to really be a fan
47:54
Speaker 2: to even pick up on in those kind of rhymes
47:57
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
47:58
Speaker 1: Man.
47:58
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, he it was a true original.
48:02
Speaker 3: It's kind of like in hip hop history, originals are
48:07
Speaker 3: people like that, you know, one of a kind of
48:10
Speaker 3: bench marquee.
48:11
Speaker 2: Old dirty bastard, old MF.
48:14
Speaker 1: Doom.
48:15
Speaker 3: You know, some of those kind of people you can
48:17
Speaker 3: never you know, even even your tupacs are beig and
48:19
Speaker 3: people tried to be like them, but they just couldn't be.
48:21
Speaker 3: Some people just want to want they're so unique. Man,
48:24
Speaker 3: You're only gonna see that one time. If anybody else
48:27
Speaker 3: tries to do what Doom did, people wouldn't make up
48:30
Speaker 3: with clowning. They would make a market out of them,
48:34
Speaker 3: because you can't do what Doom did. You know what
48:36
Speaker 3: I'm saying, You just couldn't do it.
48:38
Speaker 2: He did it.
48:39
Speaker 3: He did it in nineteen ninety nine, and did it
48:41
Speaker 3: again and was still getting the same love up till
48:43
Speaker 3: until he died. He was even more famous before he died.
48:47
Speaker 3: Then he wasn't he when he popped off of the
48:49
Speaker 3: mL Doom even though he became an underground legend, his
48:52
Speaker 3: legend just kept growing, you know what I'm saying. So
48:54
Speaker 3: I think he leads a like I said, a mark
48:56
Speaker 3: with a lot of young, innovative, talented people, you know
49:00
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
49:01
Speaker 2: And get his name. When you hear you you will
49:05
Speaker 2: see even some of the biggest.
49:06
Speaker 3: People in hip hop, when they hear that name, they're like,
49:08
Speaker 3: oh yeah, respect, you know what I'm saying.
49:10
Speaker 2: So a lot of other legends in hip hop looked at.
49:14
Speaker 3: Him as one of those unique one of More's man
49:17
Speaker 3: and he'll always be respected in hip hop community.
49:21
Speaker 1: Man, really no doubt. What do you think about and
49:25
Speaker 1: man if Doom? Leave your comments in the comments section
49:28
Speaker 1: below where you right there were Operation Dooms they dropped
49:32
Speaker 1: and was like, I'm a fan and you listen to
49:35
Speaker 1: everything that drop because there's a lot of stuff, you know,
49:38
Speaker 1: a lot of mixtapes, remixes, all conds of stuff that drop, demos,
49:42
Speaker 1: everything different under different names. Victor von Doom, you know
49:45
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like M's Doom Doom, like all COSA joints,
49:52
Speaker 1: including his group collaborations, all of that good stuff. Leave
49:57
Speaker 1: your comments in a comment section below. We're gonna I
50:00
Speaker 1: want to do something that we kind of like to
50:02
Speaker 1: do at the end now, which is more so like
50:04
Speaker 1: a little soapbox ran kind of sign the thing, but
50:07
Speaker 1: just coming you know, current conversations tone. Let me ask
50:12
Speaker 1: you this. I already know the answer because I saw
50:15
Speaker 1: you comment about it and I did also Benny the
50:18
Speaker 1: Butcher decided for those who don't know that again, he
50:24
Speaker 1: wants to say that the hip hop game is messed
50:27
Speaker 1: up because nerds are running raps and it's no longer
50:31
Speaker 1: run by the streets tone. I believe that Benny the
50:36
Speaker 1: Butcher is younger than you and me. I don't remember
50:39
Speaker 1: at any point where the streets and I don't even
50:42
Speaker 1: know what that means anymore, when the Streets was running
50:45
Speaker 1: hip hop. What do you think about and I'm going
50:50
Speaker 1: to kind of, I guess splash my opinion in there
50:52
Speaker 1: a little bit, But what do you think about somebody
50:54
Speaker 1: who complains about specific fans that are also fans nerds?
51:04
Speaker 1: You know what?
51:05
Speaker 3: Sometimes man, people are like awareness, you know what I'm
51:09
Speaker 3: saying right now, being in like awareness, you know what
51:12
Speaker 3: I'm saying, also being extra sensitive about a couple of things,
51:15
Speaker 3: because a lot of people when they feeling's hurt or
51:17
Speaker 3: they bothered by something and they got a certain persona
51:20
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, they gotta like they gotta
51:22
Speaker 3: try to play everybody.
51:23
Speaker 2: They're soft y'all. Lookle nerdy you know, nerd niggas.
51:25
Speaker 3: You know that it kind of make you feel a
51:27
Speaker 3: little better because you actually something right now in the
51:30
Speaker 3: game got you feel in a certain way. Maybe you
51:32
Speaker 3: feel like you're getting to love you thought you was
51:34
Speaker 3: gonna get. When you're trying to go mainstream to dip
51:36
Speaker 3: jail joint. You know what I'm saying. Maybe you feel
51:38
Speaker 3: like you know, something ain't being reciprocated. You know what
51:41
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Things ain't happening. Maybe you thought certain tools
51:44
Speaker 3: and certain things gonna pop off, and you realize that,
51:47
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, it's not.
51:49
Speaker 2: Where you wanted to be.
51:50
Speaker 3: You know, maybe you gotta grow something as an artist
51:52
Speaker 3: and keep it spending. Yeah, I know if he saw
51:55
Speaker 3: this or anybody's got something to him. You know, they
51:57
Speaker 3: always tag people all the time. People say, you know
51:59
Speaker 3: I'm getting I got this, I'm making paper. Okay, well
52:01
Speaker 3: cooly everything else should be everything, you know what I'm saying.
52:04
Speaker 3: So the nerves actually buy more ruckers, ten more concerts, uh,
52:12
Speaker 3: do more streaming for you? The nerves actually were are
52:15
Speaker 3: the ones putting food on the table so you can
52:16
Speaker 3: go go had all these other ventures and things of
52:19
Speaker 3: that nature.
52:19
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
52:20
Speaker 3: Because the real street dudes, whatever that is, Yeah, they're
52:23
Speaker 3: not there. When they online, they right online trying to
52:25
Speaker 3: holler at chicks. You know what I'm saying, They ain't
52:27
Speaker 3: buying music. You know what I'm saying, They ain't buying
52:29
Speaker 3: music like that how many so called street dudes at
52:33
Speaker 3: your concerts?
52:33
Speaker 1: Bro?
52:34
Speaker 3: Them nerves in the in the crowd, my dude. You
52:36
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. That ain't the hard street dudes.
52:38
Speaker 3: You think them just nerves in there. And certain college
52:40
Speaker 3: kids who got you know what I'm saying, Tom, here'll
52:43
Speaker 3: figure some tms on.
52:44
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
52:45
Speaker 3: But they college kids, they're not hood dudes, even the
52:47
Speaker 3: one who got dreads and braids and all that in college.
52:50
Speaker 2: Bro, you know what I'm saying. So, and yeah, I'm
52:54
Speaker 2: several years older than him, because had to look that
52:56
Speaker 2: up too, see how old he was. I knowe I
52:57
Speaker 2: was older than him anyway.
52:58
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, Bro, there was not one
53:02
Speaker 3: time in the history of this culture, maybe before record
53:05
Speaker 3: deals with Sugar Hills Records and nothing and and repers
53:08
Speaker 3: are light and all that, maybe some the streets was
53:11
Speaker 3: you know, really small at the time right there when
53:13
Speaker 3: the Bronx and stuff like that. So yeah, maybe some
53:15
Speaker 3: street people had something to do with it right right
53:18
Speaker 3: there that moment. Once record labels got into hip hop
53:22
Speaker 3: radio stations, magazines, the main hood dudes made the streets
53:26
Speaker 3: that the streets never ran hip hop once hip hop
53:28
Speaker 3: became a business.
53:30
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right. It feels like some.
53:34
Speaker 2: Tagging in the in the segment right here, maybe you
53:36
Speaker 2: need to learn something.
53:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know what it's sort of like you say,
53:41
Speaker 1: you know, it's the it's the rejection, right, so I
53:44
Speaker 1: feel rejected. Let me turn on the camera. I didn't
53:48
Speaker 1: learn the first time when I was calling my fans
53:50
Speaker 1: and nerds and all of that. Now here I go again.
53:54
Speaker 1: But let's rewind like one week ago a where you
53:59
Speaker 1: were solicit versus saying that you get a free Benny Verse,
54:04
Speaker 1: but you had to pay one hundred dollars even to
54:06
Speaker 1: be in the running. And we know and he know,
54:11
Speaker 1: like I know, you could put on all your jewelry.
54:15
Speaker 1: That means you ain't got no bread. You don't see
54:17
Speaker 1: certain artists doing that unless they need it, you know
54:21
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, they needed for something. I don't know
54:24
Speaker 1: what his death Jam situation is. I know he came
54:27
Speaker 1: out before that album dropped, which I liked the album.
54:31
Speaker 1: He said it was going to be like DM Mexan
54:33
Speaker 1: ninety eight.
54:33
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know if you was locked up or
54:38
Speaker 4: it was a blizzard in Buffalo at the time, but
54:42
Speaker 4: when dmxan ninety eight drop, which we got an episode
54:45
Speaker 4: for two albums, he.
54:48
Speaker 1: Was platinum quick in the same year Easy, there wasn't
54:54
Speaker 1: anything like that on a death job, He's again tune.
54:57
Speaker 3: It's like you said, yah was a tornado X year
55:01
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety eight and hip hop was a tornado
55:05
Speaker 3: only happened a couple of times in hip hop history.
55:08
Speaker 3: So for one, you don't even want to put your
55:11
Speaker 3: name next to something like that, because that's probably on
55:15
Speaker 3: the top five introductory solo years for MC and rap history.
55:20
Speaker 3: I mean, DMX, you gotta understand both of those albums,
55:24
Speaker 3: they didn't say like one man each.
55:26
Speaker 2: We're talking about they're both.
55:27
Speaker 3: They were both multi platinum in the same I'm talking
55:31
Speaker 3: about three four million type records, you know what I'm saying, right,
55:34
Speaker 3: and so we're talking about that level. So that would
55:36
Speaker 3: mean in today's streaming of albums, you know, being able
55:40
Speaker 3: to have the stream like Drake or K that's.
55:44
Speaker 1: Not gonna happen. Also, let's let's just because it. What's
55:48
Speaker 1: so weird about him making these types of videos without
55:52
Speaker 1: any real context, Just say names if you mean something else,
55:56
Speaker 1: don't general Yeah, but this is the same dude who
56:01
Speaker 1: was kind of trying to like still like, hey, Drake,
56:05
Speaker 1: are you doing And Drake was like, yo, don't release
56:07
Speaker 1: that song we did right, because he talked about the
56:10
Speaker 1: song he did with Drake so much that when it
56:12
Speaker 1: finally came out, no one cared, but you were waiting
56:15
Speaker 1: on it, Like he has to understand if you're gonna
56:19
Speaker 1: call your fans nerves and I'm one of his fans
56:22
Speaker 1: were also not stupid. So we saw you solicited a
56:27
Speaker 1: verse saying is free, but people got to pay one
56:30
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. So you're trying to see that bro. Oh yeah,
56:34
Speaker 1: it was straight up commercial, Like yo, it's the butcher,
56:39
Speaker 1: you know, like, yo, you want to do like a song,
56:43
Speaker 1: you want a verse? Whatever, give it? He said, free
56:47
Speaker 1: versus and then he kind of went on talking more
56:51
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, like like pay one
56:53
Speaker 1: hundred dollars and I'm thinking, like everybody not getting it,
56:57
Speaker 1: like a hundred people, Like I think I got a hundred.
57:01
Speaker 1: You're gonna give one hundred different verses or you're gonna
57:03
Speaker 1: give everybody the same verse. What you're doing, man, if
57:07
Speaker 1: you can't even edit that video to not say free
57:12
Speaker 1: at one point, then say one hundred dollars, but then
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Speaker 1: call Do's nerds. Now, let me just say this because
57:18
Speaker 1: I think I kind of think I know what he's
57:21
Speaker 1: talking about, but they always kind of generalize. I think
57:26
Speaker 1: he's just talking about and it could be because they're
57:30
Speaker 1: not talking about him and his music all Griselda in general,
57:34
Speaker 1: but he's talking about the consonos and not directly right,
57:39
Speaker 1: like who's running the game as far as having a
57:44
Speaker 1: voice in hip hop media? Right? The other guy? You know, academics, Right,
57:52
Speaker 1: A lot of them feel like these guys are popular
57:54
Speaker 1: and they talk about all these other records, but we
57:57
Speaker 1: got the dope stuff, you know, we can't and get
58:00
Speaker 1: the Grammy because of the nerds and only nerds. Remember
58:05
Speaker 1: this is also toned. I don't know if you saw this,
58:07
Speaker 1: but this was at least one of those guys that
58:10
Speaker 1: was talking about the clips not being believable when they
58:13
Speaker 1: were like burning hot, like in July when his stuff
58:16
Speaker 1: was dropping and it was like ridiculous. And I don't
58:21
Speaker 1: want to blame it on Buffalo because I'm from Brooklyn,
58:23
Speaker 1: New York, but I'm like, yo, this must be some
58:26
Speaker 1: thirty eight special. Step up. Somebody step up and show
58:29
Speaker 1: me something different. At least conways quiet. I'll say that much.
58:34
Speaker 1: He's quiet, he doing his thing, but it just felt
58:37
Speaker 1: weird to see him do this.
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Speaker 3: Some of these guys, some of these guys need to
58:42
Speaker 3: get back to understanding what mystique mean. When we don't
58:46
Speaker 3: get too much, you know what I'm saying, you always
58:49
Speaker 3: come out better. And I know everybody not gonna be
58:52
Speaker 3: a you know somebody like like certain legends who don't
58:55
Speaker 3: do social media all or only will update ig or
58:58
Speaker 3: some of the business venture somebody that some of them
59:01
Speaker 3: gonna do something like that.
59:02
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
59:03
Speaker 3: They're gonna have certain people who do interact with people.
59:06
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, you know, put it off
59:08
Speaker 3: and on social media, but you can't let them see
59:10
Speaker 3: your sweat, man, you know what I'm saying, because I
59:13
Speaker 3: think that when you lose your mistique, some of your
59:18
Speaker 3: songs and music start sounding different to people's ears.
59:21
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
59:22
Speaker 3: It's like because they start having this vision of you
59:25
Speaker 3: acting a certain way, you know, on social media and
59:27
Speaker 3: stuff like that. You know, and you know it happened
59:29
Speaker 3: to Kanye and several other people like you know, certain
59:32
Speaker 3: people still rock with thet get me wrong, but it'll
59:35
Speaker 3: be certain people kind of like you start turning them off,
59:37
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because hey man, you know,
59:38
Speaker 3: just make your music man, do.
59:39
Speaker 1: Your thing right. And look, I do get the frustration.
59:45
Speaker 1: Yeah at the Hartists because I'm a fan. So I've
59:50
Speaker 1: listened to everything dropped, including you know, summertime Butch two.
59:54
Speaker 1: I like a lot. I played a lot during the summer.
59:57
Speaker 2: I just posted a joint rick again on the page from.
1:00:00
Speaker 1: Uh Crazy with him in thirty eight special.
1:00:07
Speaker 3: But but you know what to these guys, you know,
1:00:12
Speaker 3: these guys, you know, all mcs have to be able
1:00:15
Speaker 3: to you know, I know every day with most most
1:00:18
Speaker 3: celels and whatever feel get on social media somebody telling
1:00:23
Speaker 3: them how great they are and how amazing they are
1:00:25
Speaker 3: all day every day. So some of the little hate
1:00:28
Speaker 3: here and now it's never gonna it's never gonna overshadow
1:00:30
Speaker 3: the love. But some of them only pay attention only
1:00:34
Speaker 3: and not somebody saying something that they didn't like. If
1:00:37
Speaker 3: it's an honest critique, you didn't like the honest critique,
1:00:40
Speaker 3: then you then you you you whined about something you know,
1:00:43
Speaker 3: or even if it's hate for every somebody, every you
1:00:47
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, sending somebody's you know, hitting sins
1:00:50
Speaker 3: hate on you.
1:00:50
Speaker 2: A thousands of people just told you he was amazing. Right,
1:00:54
Speaker 2: that's the end of these guys. You know what I'm saying.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: So nobody should be so upset all the time. You know,
1:00:59
Speaker 2: you waste. I'm convinient could be in a studio, bro.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's some of it also, like it's just old
1:01:07
Speaker 1: school industry politics. It could be walls he's running into
1:01:11
Speaker 1: trying to get ahead, you know, here and there, trying
1:01:14
Speaker 1: to get a spot here and there. And it could
1:01:17
Speaker 1: be actual industry nerds.
1:01:20
Speaker 3: All you doing your hip hop, all you're doing your
1:01:24
Speaker 3: Jim Jones. You know, you know the algorithm.
1:01:26
Speaker 4: You know you go do that.
1:01:27
Speaker 2: You know, you start treading a little bit, you know
1:01:30
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it's all what's happening. It's probably marketing.
1:01:34
Speaker 1: Too, right, But Jim Jones would never He's never squashed
1:01:39
Speaker 1: his fans. He'll just say something out he says something
1:01:43
Speaker 1: crazy like you know, I'm better than big and blah
1:01:45
Speaker 1: blah blah. But he'll never be like only nerds and
1:01:48
Speaker 1: listening now he Yeah, that's that's crazy right, like, yo,
1:01:53
Speaker 1: stop talking about your fans, dog like, especially when those
1:01:56
Speaker 1: same nerds took a Hip Hop d X articles that
1:02:00
Speaker 1: quoted him saying he was a nerd. It's like, well,
1:02:05
Speaker 1: I guess it takes someone to know one, right, that's
1:02:07
Speaker 1: like the nerd shit, So.
1:02:10
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's wow.
1:02:15
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