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New Orleans Mom of 2 Remains Found Dismembered in Freezer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We've all seen Silence of
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Speaker 1: the Lambs or Dexter other programs in movies or TV
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Speaker 1: where there is a cannibal where a body is dismembered.
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Speaker 1: That is very rare in real life, or so we think.
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Speaker 1: The specter of dismemberment and cannibalism once again rears its
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Speaker 1: ugly head when a gorgeous young mom of two girls
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Speaker 1: goes missing in New Orleans. I'm Nancy Grace this described stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Natasha Robin at WVUE. According to
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Speaker 1: court documents, NPD investigators executed a search warrant at this
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Speaker 1: home Tuesday morning in relation to a missing woman, Julia Dardar,
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Speaker 1: Dardar's ex husband, reported or missing to police last month.
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Speaker 1: During the search of Beale's home, detectives found a power
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Speaker 1: cord leading from the main residence to a blue bus
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Speaker 1: parked in the yard. When detectives searched the bus, court
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Speaker 1: documents show the chord was connected to a power deep freezer,
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Speaker 1: where investigators say they found a headless torso of what
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Speaker 1: appeared to be an adult human female. Investigators located a
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Speaker 1: power saw inside of an ice chest, which appeared to
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Speaker 1: bits of flesh on the blade. Again, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at crime stories.
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Speaker 1: You know, very often trying cases in inner city Atlanta
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Speaker 1: and ultimately specializing in very serious felonies. In the last
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Speaker 1: five to seven years I prosecuted, I would notice that
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Speaker 1: facts of various crimes would chip off the tongue of
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Speaker 1: seasoned prosecutors because we were so used to dealing with
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Speaker 1: not just serious crimes, but bizarre crimes, and what would
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Speaker 1: be normal to us would be very, very abnormal to jurars.
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Speaker 1: This case has made me stop at my tracks while
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Speaker 1: I report and investigate on crimes every single day. What
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Speaker 1: happened to Julia is very area upsetting. And you may
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Speaker 1: not live in New Orleans or in any of the
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Speaker 1: locations where this happens to young women and others, but
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Speaker 1: the fact is this does happen all across our country.
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Speaker 1: Just recently, I was investigating the case of what we
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Speaker 1: now know to be a serial killer named Israel Keys,
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Speaker 1: a young Alaska and Barista beautiful. Her name was Samantha
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Speaker 1: Koenig went missing from her coffee stand. The reason, even
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Speaker 1: though it was on a busy public street, there was
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Speaker 1: a snow bank around it where snow had been cleared
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Speaker 1: and cleared and cleared out of the coffee parking lot
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Speaker 1: that had built up into a snow bank all around
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Speaker 1: her coffee stand, so no one noticed when she was kidnapped.
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Speaker 1: When I spoke to the FBI agent that pulled her
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Speaker 1: body out of icy water underneath a frozen surface, she
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Speaker 1: had been dismembered. Why what does it mean when someone's
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Speaker 1: not just murdered, they're dismembered? And what does that mean
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Speaker 1: for the family, the children left behind? How are they
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Speaker 1: supposed to remember their mother? With me and all Star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now?
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Speaker 1: First of all, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: host of Today with doctor Wendy on KCBQ, San Diego.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick at Wendy Patrick, PhD dot com. Renowned psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: at angela Arnold MD dot com. Dan Coorsantino former police chief,
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Speaker 1: former sheriff, and served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory
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Speaker 1: Board now a PI at Dan Korsantino dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Pria Banerjee board certified anatomic for pathologist at Anchor Forensic
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Speaker 1: Pathology dot com. Special guests joining us Shaye O'Connor, reporter
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Speaker 1: with w DSU New Orleans. You can find her on
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Speaker 1: Twitter at s O'Connor news. But first I want to
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Speaker 1: go to a person that lived the disappearance of Julia,
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Speaker 1: her husband, Micah Dardar, and let me direct to you
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Speaker 1: to go fund me justice for Julia. Mica. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us, Thank you for having me. Mica.
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Speaker 1: You had a very long relationship with Julia. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, didn't you guys meet fairly young? And
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Speaker 1: Life says she was a teenager. Yes, yeah, I was
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Speaker 1: in college in New Mexico and we worked at a
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Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant together and we met, Yes, she was. We
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Speaker 1: were both pretty young. I and we're together ever since.
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Speaker 1: And there are the two daughters, correct, what are their names?
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Speaker 1: Ac and Karen. Now there at the very end, you
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Speaker 1: guys had had some marital arguments and she left. Yes,
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Speaker 1: when she left, I assume that you thought, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: she's gonna go drive around in the car. She may
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Speaker 1: go stay with family or friends for a day or two,
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Speaker 1: but everything will settle back down. When did it sink
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Speaker 1: into you, Micah or your two girls that mommy was
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Speaker 1: not coming back home. Well, we knew she was missing.
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Speaker 1: And when it really sunk in was Christmas Day when
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Speaker 1: I knew that she didn't call, she was off the grid,
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Speaker 1: there was no contact or anything. At that point I
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Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. Okay, right there, let me jump in.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold joining a psychiatrist out of Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: her specialty is working with women. Former medical director of
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Speaker 1: the Psychiatric obgy in Clinic at Great Immemorial Hospital, one
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Speaker 1: of the busiest hospitals in the country, Doctor Angie, when
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Speaker 1: a mom is not there on Christmas morning, when a
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Speaker 1: mom doesn't even call on Christmas morning, you know something's wrong.
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Speaker 1: Now in my world, I call that behavioral evidence or
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Speaker 1: evidence of routine that is now broken that has never
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Speaker 1: been broken before. But what does that tell you from
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Speaker 1: a frame of mind point of view? From a frame
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Speaker 1: of mind point of view, didn't say what it tells me?
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Speaker 1: Is it? For some reason the person is not capable
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Speaker 1: of getting in touch with their loved ones. So they
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Speaker 1: are either they're either missing or gone, or something is
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Speaker 1: wrong with them because someone a person would not consciously
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Speaker 1: make the decision not to contact their family Christmas, particularly
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Speaker 1: if nothing had been leading up to this. What's the
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Speaker 1: difference in men and women? And not the obvious differences
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Speaker 1: physical differences. But I mean, I could see a guy
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Speaker 1: deciding he was fed up with family life and leaving
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Speaker 1: and not calling on a Christmas, But I don't see
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Speaker 1: a mom doing it. No, there is there is something
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Speaker 1: different about about women and their mothering capabilities and and
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Speaker 1: and women are you know, I don't I don't mean
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Speaker 1: to say this, Nancy, but women are more much Yes,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm going to Women do have more
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Speaker 1: of a mothering tendency than none do. And it is
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Speaker 1: very unusual for something different like this to happen. And
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Speaker 1: it also points to a difference. This is not something
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Speaker 1: that this woman would normally do, so I believe it
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Speaker 1: is a complete red flag and the family should be
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Speaker 1: very concerned about something like this. I'm just trying to
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Speaker 1: think about that day on a circle back to Dan Corcentina,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, doctor Preya and Shay O'Connor joining me. But Wendy,
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Speaker 1: hold on, let me go to Mica first. Mica. That
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Speaker 1: morning when you guys wake up and exchange Christmas presents
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Speaker 1: and Santa comes and the day stretched on. Did the
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Speaker 1: girls say anything about Mom? No, not a whole lot.
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Speaker 1: She had been gone since about June, so we were
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Speaker 1: kind of used to her not being around so much anymore.
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Speaker 1: So I guess at that point the girls are just
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Speaker 1: numb about Mom. Yes, yes, about how everything played out.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Gray, dr Anjo. I want to
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Speaker 1: come back to you. When you get hurt over and
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Speaker 1: over and over, I think you subconsciously, if it's going
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Speaker 1: to sound inconsistent, you subconsciously make a decision that's the
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Speaker 1: inconsistency that you're not going to care anymore. You just
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Speaker 1: shut it off. You shut off caring rather than keep
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Speaker 1: getting hurt. Exactly because the only way that you cannot
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Speaker 1: continue to get hurt is to build a wall around
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Speaker 1: yourself to protect yourself, because if you keep letting the
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Speaker 1: person in that is hurting you, then you know that
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Speaker 1: you know that the outcome is that you will continue
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Speaker 1: to get hurt. So people naturally, whether knowingly or not,
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Speaker 1: they build up a wall and they've become a little
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Speaker 1: less open to people that could possibly hurt them. So
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Speaker 1: Dan Corsentina in Farmer Police Chief, Farmer Sheriff now PI
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Speaker 1: Dan Coorsantina dot com. How many cases that you've handled
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Speaker 1: start with X mom or dad didn't show up for
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Speaker 1: the birthday, didn't show up for the anniversary, didn't show
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Speaker 1: up for Christmas? And that marks the moment when things
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Speaker 1: get real. There's a few. There's no doubt about that,
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Speaker 1: because that becomes a tipping point. There is a lack
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Speaker 1: of communication when there has been consistent communication and when
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Speaker 1: the person has a pattern of behavior where they're connected
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Speaker 1: to the family and then suddenly there is this emptiness,
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Speaker 1: that is a signal and for law enforcement they should
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Speaker 1: take that seriously. There's no doubt. And Wendy Patrick, how
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Speaker 1: many cases have you and I handled when we know
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Speaker 1: on that day I was just covering the case. Was
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Speaker 1: it Heidi Plank that didn't show up for birthday or
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Speaker 1: soccer game? Birthday? Birthday? They had planned a big birthday
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Speaker 1: extravaganza from one of her boys, and she wasn't there,
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Speaker 1: just went radio silent and they knew right then she's
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Speaker 1: gone or should be here. Yeah, Nancy you called at
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Speaker 1: the moment when things get real. Dan called at a
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Speaker 1: tipping point. I usually think of it as a time
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Speaker 1: when absence isn't just numbing, as Mica explained, but the
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Speaker 1: explanation becomes nefarious. Everything changes when there is a moment
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Speaker 1: in time, whether it's and we've hit the Big three,
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Speaker 1: whether it's a birthday and anniversary or Christmas Day, and
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Speaker 1: that day just goes on forever because the loved one
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Speaker 1: doesn't make any type of contact, and that is especially
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Speaker 1: true when there's young children in the house. So Michael,
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Speaker 1: my heart and prayer go out to you in your
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Speaker 1: family getting through that day, because everything changed on that day,
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Speaker 1: at least from a timeline perspective. If you're looking to
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Speaker 1: prosecute a case like this. Adu Shay O'Connor joining me,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter from w d SEE from the heart of
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Speaker 1: New Orleans. Shay, it's wonderful to have you, and New
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Speaker 1: Orleans is one of our favorite favorite towns. We just
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Speaker 1: I just took my twins now fourteen, to crime con
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans and oh what a time we had,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you. And when you hear about a
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Speaker 1: case like this, it rocks the whole city. So when
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Speaker 1: did the name Julia Dardar get on the radar with you? Well,
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Speaker 1: on January eleven, I'll never forget. I receive a call
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Speaker 1: from someone who lives along Pauline Street and she tells me, Shay,
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Speaker 1: you need to get out here. Something is going on.
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Speaker 1: There's been police, there's been swat teams out all day.
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Speaker 1: I'm say, how many times have I gotten that call
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, man say you need
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Speaker 1: to get out here. I'm like, okay, I'm on the way. Great,
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Speaker 1: And I mean, we didn't hear about We didn't know
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Speaker 1: Julia's name until the next day when I was able
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Speaker 1: to speak with Mica. I mean, hey, O'Connor joining me,
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Speaker 1: w dsu you go out there. What time of the
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Speaker 1: night was it? It was about eight pm. And I
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Speaker 1: did not ever forget how to tell me about the bus? Yes,
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Speaker 1: it was very just it was a very eerie feeling
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Speaker 1: when I saw the bus. Well, I gotta tell you,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now and I wouldn't touch
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Speaker 1: it with a ten football if I can help it.
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Speaker 1: Of course, if it's a crime investigation, you gotta go
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Speaker 1: into the bus. But I'm looking at it and it's
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Speaker 1: got a big red eyeball painted on the front like forehead, like, um,
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Speaker 1: is it a cyclops that has the one eye like
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Speaker 1: a cyclops. It's kind of been given a creepy face
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Speaker 1: where the front lights have been painted green around them
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Speaker 1: and red, a blood red all around the front of it.
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Speaker 1: This is the bus that's part ard next to the home.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the homewas right up to the side
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Speaker 1: of the home. What else, if anything, did you observe
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Speaker 1: about the bus when you arrived there? Just I mean,
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Speaker 1: first of all, just a way that it was painted,
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Speaker 1: but just to see it outside, but then also to
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Speaker 1: see neighbors who had no idea what had happened. It
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Speaker 1: was just crazy. Take and listen to Caitlin Rust w
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Speaker 1: VUE Fox eight. We were together since she was a
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Speaker 1: teenager and I was in college. I always did feel
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Speaker 1: like she was my responsibility to take care of and
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Speaker 1: to see her go down this path and no one
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Speaker 1: else watching out for her. I did my best. I
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Speaker 1: think I did what I could do. I tried to
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Speaker 1: get her order protective custody. I alerted multiple levels of
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Speaker 1: law enforcement of the situation. Nothing I could do to
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Speaker 1: stop what happened. What is that feeling, doctor Angie, when
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Speaker 1: you know something bad is happening but you can't stop it.
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Speaker 1: You know, you just get that feeling. And I've talked
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Speaker 1: to so many victims' families and witnesses. They have it's
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Speaker 1: almost a primitive feeling that something bad is happening, but
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Speaker 1: they don't know what. You know, Nancy, I believe that
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Speaker 1: that kind of feeling comes from being very connected to
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Speaker 1: someone and to really knowing that person and what a
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Speaker 1: horrible thing that is to go through. You know, It's
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Speaker 1: much like, and you've talked about this on other shows
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Speaker 1: of yours, It's much like if people want to connect
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Speaker 1: to us, like if you lose your child in the
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Speaker 1: mall and a million questions go through your head about,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, what all of the what ifs? Of
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Speaker 1: what if could have happened? What could have happened to
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Speaker 1: your child? That is something that I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of your viewers can can feel because that happens to
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. These kinds of things do not
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Speaker 1: happen in the population very often too. She O'Connor, Shay,
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Speaker 1: you were there for w DSCU that night, or the
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Speaker 1: police already in the bus. The police had already left
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Speaker 1: by the time we got there. We were the only
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Speaker 1: people on seeing the first people to find out about
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Speaker 1: the story when it comes to news stations in New Orleans. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, just hearing about it, I'm just like, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, like, is this real? That's my first thought.
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Speaker 1: We get there, we talk to people, It just the
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Speaker 1: scene felt so eerie. It was so heavy. Yeah. So
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Speaker 1: I mean, does that answer your question? Yes, it does.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our Cut three, our friends at
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Speaker 1: w ZU. A Darter says someone informed him December twentieth
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Speaker 1: his wife had disappeared from Beale's house on Pauline Street
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Speaker 1: a few days earlier. He said Beale was using her
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Speaker 1: car and refusing to cooperate with police he sent there
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Speaker 1: on a welfare check. I knew she was going down
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Speaker 1: a bad road. But this grewsome way to this ended.
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Speaker 1: Is It's beyond belief. We have alluded to the quote
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Speaker 1: grewsome way Julia's life ended. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends w VUE, Fox eight, our cut four breaking news
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Speaker 1: this morning, the NPD makes an arrest after discovering human remains.
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Speaker 1: Right now, NPD is calling this an unclassified death Investigation
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Speaker 1: officers say they were executing a search warrant and the
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Speaker 1: twenty two hundred block of Pauline Street and the upper
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Speaker 1: ninth ward. The search was related to a missing person's
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Speaker 1: report filled back on December twenty third. Police say they
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Speaker 1: met thirty four year old Benjamin Beale at the home
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Speaker 1: and after getting a warrant, officers found human remains and
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Speaker 1: more Our cut eight from WWLTV. The graffiti bus, the
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Speaker 1: cluttered yard, the foil covering the windows, signs warding off
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Speaker 1: unwanted guest. It was late Tuesday night when police rated
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Speaker 1: the home of Benjamin Biale. Court documents show police had
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Speaker 1: been questioning Bill for weeks about the location of Julia Dardar,
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Speaker 1: who he claimed to be his girlfriend. The records also
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Speaker 1: showed that police grew suspicious of Bill after a round
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Speaker 1: of questioning that took place on January fifth. The court
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Speaker 1: documents show police say they asked Bill why he didn't
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Speaker 1: try to find Dardar or reporter missing Bill Ventel police
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Speaker 1: he lost his cell phone and didn't know how else
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Speaker 1: to get in contact with them. Soon after, police obtained
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Speaker 1: a warrant to search his home. The documents show, once
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Speaker 1: in the house, they noticed an extension cord running from
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Speaker 1: inside of Bill's home to a bus part in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: That extension cord ran into a deep freezer where the
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Speaker 1: body was found. There was also an ice chest nearby
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Speaker 1: with a reciprocating saw on the inside. Police say they
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Speaker 1: saw what appeared to have been bits of flesh and
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Speaker 1: fluid on the blade in surface, and even though investigators
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Speaker 1: recovered Dardar's ID on the scene, they stopped short of
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Speaker 1: saying whether it was her body. Time stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace straight out to Day in Quarantina, former police chief
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Speaker 1: formerly with US Homeland Security Dan dismemberment cases are very rare.
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Speaker 1: Now we think they're rare because we hear of them rarely.
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Speaker 1: They may have them more often than we know, and
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Speaker 1: they're never solved because the body's never found. Dan, well,
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Speaker 1: that's absolutely correct. In oftentimes what we find in this
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Speaker 1: dismember my case is a malicious obviously intent so the
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Speaker 1: body wouldn't be found, and that would be a situation
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Speaker 1: where the perpetrator in this case is separating the body
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Speaker 1: parts at different locations to protect themselves as well as
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Speaker 1: to hide the identity of the victim. And this is
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Speaker 1: just one of those tragic cases that we see where
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Speaker 1: this individual Benjamin Bill found themselves being so malicious. Was
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Speaker 1: such a teneous claim. We know what. Let's let's follow
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Speaker 1: up on what Dan Corcentino was saying with doctor Pria Banerjee,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Prea, thank you for being with us. You heard
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Speaker 1: the description of what was found on the scene. Extension chords,
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Speaker 1: multiple extension chords, the bits and the saws, the blades,
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Speaker 1: multiple m saws and blades. That tells me there was
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Speaker 1: extreme planning and intent. How difficult is it to dismember
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Speaker 1: a human body? It's actually very difficult. Oh yes, I
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Speaker 1: mean obviously, you know, there's the heinous crime of her
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Speaker 1: being killed, and then they're trying to disfuld he trying
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Speaker 1: to both of her. Think about it, this is a
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Speaker 1: power tool used to cut wood and you know, heavy machinery.
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Speaker 1: Really that's not that's what's being employed to cut through
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Speaker 1: you know, bones and tissue. You know it shreds it,
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Speaker 1: it's cut through thick bones, and that's you know how
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Speaker 1: heinous this climb is. And yes, definitely intentional, uh, to
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Speaker 1: dismember her after she was killed. Michael darn Are, a
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Speaker 1: victim's husband, and you can go to go funding justice
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Speaker 1: for Julia, who is now tasked with raising her their
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Speaker 1: two girls. Mica, do the girls know that their mom
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Speaker 1: was dismembered? Yes, they know. It's uh I told them,
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Speaker 1: and they've of course seen the moves. There's really no
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Speaker 1: way to even explain. I mean, how do you explain
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Speaker 1: to your child. So one thing to say mommy has
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Speaker 1: gone to have a Mommy's passed away, but then to
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Speaker 1: explain the brutality a murder and a dismemberment. I recall
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Speaker 1: my fiancee's murder and it was right before, just before
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Speaker 1: a wedding, and his death was shot enough, but then
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Speaker 1: compounded by the fact that it was a senseless murder,
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Speaker 1: just insanely senseless murder over nothing. That was a whole
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Speaker 1: another level of mental confusion because I did not know
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Speaker 1: about a world of hatred and violence until then. So
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Speaker 1: the death is then compounded by the mode of a murder,
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Speaker 1: then the dismemberment. I mean, how did you how did
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Speaker 1: you explain that to the girls? Oh? Well, it was tough,
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Speaker 1: but uh, we just discussed it and yeah, I was
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Speaker 1: it very honest with them. How have they digested it?
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Speaker 1: How is it affected them? They are doing okay. I
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Speaker 1: can't see that they are dealing with it terribly, but
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Speaker 1: I could see that it is affecting them. They both
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Speaker 1: have different coping mechanisms, like what well, one has a
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Speaker 1: bit of aggression, the other has some depression, very suppressing
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Speaker 1: it in different ways. You know, doctor Angie, after we
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Speaker 1: finished talking today on air, could I get you with
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Speaker 1: Micah and maybe you could give him some ideas about
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Speaker 1: how to help the girls, because I'm telling you, doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: after my fiance case murder, it took me several years
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Speaker 1: to understand what was happening. But I would feel myself
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Speaker 1: going into a depression again, and I would come up
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Speaker 1: with ideas. I wrongly did not seek counseling, but I
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Speaker 1: would find ways. I came up with ways to get
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Speaker 1: myself out of the depression as I felt myself slipping
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Speaker 1: into it, because sometimes when you get into it, you
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Speaker 1: can't get out and it can take being chunks of
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Speaker 1: your life. And I don't want this for Julia's girls.
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Speaker 1: I mean that that ghost hanging over them of what
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Speaker 1: happened to Mom, It's one day going to hit them
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Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks if they don't deal with it.
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Speaker 1: And I don't want them to lose years and years
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Speaker 1: and years of their life morning like I did. I
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Speaker 1: want to circle back to this theory that dismemberments aren't rare,
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Speaker 1: and I want to look at the suspect. Benjamin Bill
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Speaker 1: just thirty four years old. Who is he? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Natasha Robin at WVUE. Neighbors are
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Speaker 1: still in shock after police discovered human remains inside of
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Speaker 1: a freezer in the backyard this ninth Ward home on
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Speaker 1: Pauline Street. When he came out with the tape, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, you know what is really going on?
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Speaker 1: Thirty four year old Benjamin Beale known to neighbors as Kelly.
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Speaker 1: He was like a little circle. So Mike Major says
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Speaker 1: Bill was his friend. He describes him as an eccentric,
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Speaker 1: outgoing guy and usually he was working on his garden.
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Speaker 1: He'd be working on that, you know, on the stone wall,
26:44
Speaker 1: you know one it's hard to sell them, you know.
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Speaker 1: And he's pretty passionate. So he was quiet, he was
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Speaker 1: he was glad we would see him coming go and
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Speaker 1: walk as gold. I mean, you know, it was nothing
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Speaker 1: like you would be you will suspect something like this
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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood that what happened. You know, the remains
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Speaker 1: that were piled will now go to the corner's office
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Speaker 1: to hopefully get an ID and to cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of cause of death, I'm going to circle back
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Speaker 1: to that, but I want to go to doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold and everyone else on our panel today please jump in.
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Speaker 1: Do you hear how neighbors are describing Benjamin Beale, age
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Speaker 1: thirty four, the guy that I guess lived in the
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Speaker 1: home and that freaky looking bus he had parked directly
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Speaker 1: beside it at age thirty four. Eccentric, outgoing, always working
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Speaker 1: in his garden, working on a stone wall, art an
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Speaker 1: artistic stone wall, passionate, quiet, walking his dog. What. But
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Speaker 1: it also sounds like he was he isolated himself. And
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Speaker 1: it also sounds to me me it's he like he
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Speaker 1: wasn't really a part of that community. Well, didn't you
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Speaker 1: hear them say he was part of our little circle?
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Speaker 1: Sounds like he was part of it? Well, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: heard them say that, But I'm not sure how much
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Speaker 1: he got in to their community, because it seems to
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Speaker 1: me more like his behaviors isolated him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: He's a little odd, looking his home as he's building
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Speaker 1: up a wall around the front of his house. His
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Speaker 1: house is very strange looking, Is that true, Sea O'Connor
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Speaker 1: joining me Wgsu Yeah. I would just say, you know,
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Speaker 1: just talking to the neighbors along the street, they did
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Speaker 1: not know him, you know, like they would see him,
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Speaker 1: they thought he was odd, but I definitely wouldn't say
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Speaker 1: that they felt like he was a part of their community.
28:47
Speaker 1: The people who stayed next to him had no idea
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Speaker 1: who he really was. One of the girls even told
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Speaker 1: me that I think he offered her some food and
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Speaker 1: so she went inside of his home. That was the
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Speaker 1: first time she was there, and she's like, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: It was just so you know, he had so much
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Speaker 1: paint in the house and he had painted the walls
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Speaker 1: and shay like I didn't know that he was living
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Speaker 1: that way, And I just remember walking out like feeling so,
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Speaker 1: you know, just heavy when I left the house. They
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Speaker 1: didn't know who he was, but I mean, he did
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Speaker 1: talk with people every now and then, but I don't
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Speaker 1: think they knew like exactly who he was. Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: is Wendy this This man sounds like a proverbial axe murderer.
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Speaker 1: Next door. The neighbors are describing him as quiet. They
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Speaker 1: say he used to work in his garden. The one
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Speaker 1: thing Shay just said that surprised me is that one
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Speaker 1: of them had actually been inside his house. Because usually
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Speaker 1: everybody superficially kind of knows the nice, quiet neighbor, but
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Speaker 1: nobody's actually been inside. So that's one what I would
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Speaker 1: call rogue fact, because otherwise it does seem like he
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Speaker 1: isolated himself, even though visually they were able to see
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Speaker 1: him outside walking his dog in the garden. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to Dean Corsentina, I've been up in
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Speaker 1: every neighbor's house around our home, and whether it's trick
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Speaker 1: or treating or taking them something at Christmas, or going
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Speaker 1: to ask them have they seen the cat. I have
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Speaker 1: gotten in the home and looked around and all the
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Speaker 1: houses around our home because I want to know who
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Speaker 1: is around my children. You darn right, I've been up
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Speaker 1: in them in their driveways in their home now. And
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Speaker 1: I know you think that may be taking it to
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Speaker 1: an extreme, but I don't think that's crazy. Is that crazy?
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy. Corsentina, Well, I don't know
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Speaker 1: them easy. I would say that you are very aware
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Speaker 1: and conscience from the was in such are in. But
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that wanted to show
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Speaker 1: the neighbors only what he wanted to show the neighbors.
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Speaker 1: Many people, most people have a public private in secret life.
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Speaker 1: Clearly no one was able to penetrate his secret life
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Speaker 1: or what was in the spots of who he actually was.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I want to follow up on something
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Speaker 1: that you're saying right now, a secret life to Shay
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Speaker 1: O'Connor w DSU. You said, the woman who had been
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Speaker 1: invited in for some food, who would want to eat that?
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Speaker 1: But you said the paint on the wall's what do
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Speaker 1: you mean? Was it like spray painted or graffitied? I
31:35
Speaker 1: mean all walls are painted, right. She talked about his
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Speaker 1: home like the inside, as though he had maybe painted
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Speaker 1: the inside, like how the bus was painted. Oh, dear
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Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven. Right, Okay, take a listen to our Okay. Nine,
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Speaker 1: this is Morgan Lenty's w d SU dismembered and left
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Speaker 1: to be discovered by police. I know she was a
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Speaker 1: tough cookie, so she couldn't have gone out without a fight.
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Speaker 1: The family of Julia dar Dar is convinced he remains
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Speaker 1: were found inside a school bus in the ninth Ward
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Speaker 1: last week. Now, her husband and the couples to daughters
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Speaker 1: say they are fighting for Julia. They gathered outside city
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Speaker 1: Hall Tuesday begging for Benjamin Beale to be held without bond.
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Speaker 1: He's an animal, he needs to be in a cage.
32:17
Speaker 1: Beale was arrested the night that discovery was made on
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Speaker 1: Pauline Street. He was later charged with murder and most recently,
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Speaker 1: simple assault. His bond is now over one point four
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Speaker 1: million dollars, but MIKEA. Dardar worries it isn't enough to
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Speaker 1: keep him in jail. There's a high risk to many
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Speaker 1: people if he does get out, because there's just no
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Speaker 1: telling what he would do. And while the family waits
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Speaker 1: for that matter to be settled in court, they're left
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Speaker 1: to deal with the disturbing details of this case, still
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Speaker 1: trying to make sense of such a senseless crime. Je
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Speaker 1: dontor preamanagee joining us. How do you determine when a
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Speaker 1: body has been dismembered, what the coda cause of death was?
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great question. So usually in my experience,
32:56
Speaker 1: and I have handled up a few dismemberment cases, it's
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Speaker 1: usually post mortem, so the seatons are usually killed in
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Speaker 1: one or more methods and then they are dismembered to
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Speaker 1: try to hide the body or you know, hide what
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Speaker 1: was done to them. You know, in this case, if
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Speaker 1: you think about it, she's beaten and strangled. You should
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Speaker 1: be able to tell much of those injuries, regardless of
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Speaker 1: the dismemberment, because it's usually the long the limbs, the
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Speaker 1: torso you know, those are cut away, but usually it's
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Speaker 1: not so small that you can't still do an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten. This is Anna McCallister,
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Speaker 1: w GNO. Julia was reported missing at the end of December.
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Speaker 1: Last week, police found the dismembered remains of a woman
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Speaker 1: inside of a freezer on a property on Pauline Street. Wednesday,
33:52
Speaker 1: the Orleans Parish Coroner's Office confirmed the remains were Julius
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Speaker 1: and say that she was beaten and strangled before she
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Speaker 1: was dismembered. Reality of the whole scenario is set in.
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Speaker 1: Since I've got the confirmation and the call, it's I
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Speaker 1: had a couple of breakdowns today and yes, last night
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Speaker 1: police arrested and charged the man Julia was living with
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Speaker 1: thirty four year old Benjamin Beale with her murder. Following
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Speaker 1: her horrifying death, those who knew Julia wanted to remember
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Speaker 1: her life and cleanse the area of bad energy with
34:23
Speaker 1: a spiritual vigil. It was just a combination of different
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Speaker 1: religions and people coming together. Attendees prayed for Julia and
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Speaker 1: her family. At one point, the group walked back to
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Speaker 1: the bus where Julia's remains were found. Julia elias behind
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Speaker 1: her husband and two teenage daughters. Right now, Benjamin Beale
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Speaker 1: remains behind bars. His bond is one point four million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Julia Beaton is strangled dead before she was dismembered. Exactly
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Speaker 1: what body parts were found in the fraser Shay O'Connor
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Speaker 1: wdsu A torso so dismembered body found in the freezer.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, just to talk about it makes me
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Speaker 1: have chilled. I believe that her head was taken off
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Speaker 1: and yeah, her arms and legs. Her torso was found
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Speaker 1: in the freezer. The dismemberment a body, what does it mean?
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Speaker 1: Of course, this is not the first time we have
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Speaker 1: had cases of dismemberment. Take a listen to you. Our
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Speaker 1: cut seventeen w LKY, but newly released court documents tell
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Speaker 1: a different story, one where over Hansley admitted to officers
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Speaker 1: that he stabbed girlfriend Tammy Joe Blanton to death then
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Speaker 1: mutilated her body. After being a prosecutor for so long,
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Speaker 1: you think you've seen everything, and this is one of
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Speaker 1: those cases where I've never seen this. Police responded to
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Speaker 1: a welfare check at Blanton's local Street home Thursday and
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Speaker 1: found her dead in the bathtub covered by a tarp.
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Speaker 1: Detective say ober Ansley had a knife with blood on
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Speaker 1: it in his back pocket and confess to cutting out
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Speaker 1: parts of Blanton's brain, heart, and lung. There was evidence
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Speaker 1: in the kitchen he cooked the organs and ate them
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Speaker 1: and our cut nineteen. You were just hearing about Tammy
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Speaker 1: Joe Blanton's death. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: k fo R Tuesday night. A horrific sequence of events
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Speaker 1: about the murder being revealed inside the Grady County Courthouse.
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Speaker 1: It's stuff that you see all the time on TV
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Speaker 1: and you never think it's going to happen. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: affect you. Investigators alleging Anderson killed Andrea Blankenship, first forcing
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Speaker 1: his way into her home through a back door, and
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Speaker 1: according to court documents, quote removed her heart, taking it
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Speaker 1: to his uncle Leon Pye's home, where he quote cooked it.
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Speaker 1: Another dismemberment, both of those cannibalistic in nature, that one
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Speaker 1: of missus Blanketship. It goes on and on, and of
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Speaker 1: course the case that made the headlines. Jeffrey Dahmer take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty. I think you'll recognize
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Speaker 1: the voice. I always knew that it was wrong, but
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Speaker 1: after the first the first killing was not planned. I
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Speaker 1: was coming back from the shopping mall back in seventy eight.
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Speaker 1: I had had fantasies about picking up a hitchhiker and
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Speaker 1: taking them back to the house and having complete control
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Speaker 1: and dominance. That was the voice of Jeffrey Dahmer speaking
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Inside Edition, straight out to doctor
37:42
Speaker 1: Angel Arnold psychiatrists. I don't understand the thinking of murderers
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Speaker 1: who then dismember and in these cases eat their victims.
37:53
Speaker 1: I don't understand dismemberment. Now, if you're trying to hide
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Speaker 1: a part of the body, the body, get rid of
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Speaker 1: it so won't be found. I understand that, as evil
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Speaker 1: as it is. But when you dismember the body and
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Speaker 1: put it in your freezer. That's no longer the explanation,
38:13
Speaker 1: So help me out, dodtr Angie. Yeah, Nancy, if this
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Speaker 1: is shape, If it's okay, I'd like to read to
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Speaker 1: you what the affidavit said. Okay, please do yes so um.
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Speaker 1: Court documents said that inside the freezer, a reciprocating saw
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Speaker 1: with flesh and fluid was found, along with a head
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Speaker 1: in torso. Deep cuts were found on the shoulder, the shoulders,
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Speaker 1: and arms of the body that police believe were inflicted
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Speaker 1: post mortem. Dodtr Angie, Nancy, I think that we have
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Speaker 1: to remember this is if this is very important. The
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Speaker 1: people that do that do these kind of heinous crimes,
38:49
Speaker 1: lack empathy and they and they really don't experience the
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Speaker 1: emotions that are that all of us are experiencing over us.
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Speaker 1: They could even be completely detached from what they are doing, Okay,
39:05
Speaker 1: so they completely act lack empathy. As Jeffrey Dahmer said,
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Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing, he knew the difference
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Speaker 1: room right and wrong, but he didn't have a conscience
39:15
Speaker 1: about it, which is the diagnosis of a sociopath. So
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Speaker 1: they all may they all may have people who dismember
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Speaker 1: may have different reasons for doing so, for example, to
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Speaker 1: hide the body, to eat the body, to have sex
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Speaker 1: with the body. They can have different reasons for doing it.
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Speaker 1: But remember that they all lack empathy and they do
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Speaker 1: not experience emotions the emotions that all of us are
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Speaker 1: experiencing around us. They are not experiencing these emotions. They're
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Speaker 1: incapable of that. Mika, I'm just trying too hard to
39:50
Speaker 1: imagine how your daughters are taking this, because you know
39:53
Speaker 1: they're going on the internet reading about it. Yes, they're
39:58
Speaker 1: they're doing Okay, Um, I guess we're all in shock
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Speaker 1: about the whole thing. And to Shay O'Connor joining us WDSU,
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Speaker 1: where does the case against Bill stand now? Just as
40:11
Speaker 1: of now he has been charged with murder and so
40:16
Speaker 1: at this time, I mean because at first he wasn't
40:19
Speaker 1: charged with murder. So now that they've been able to
40:23
Speaker 1: say that he actually did kill her, that her body
40:26
Speaker 1: was the remains, like that was her remains, now he's
40:29
Speaker 1: being charged with murder. So um, there is another court
40:33
Speaker 1: appearance in March, but as of right now, that that's
40:36
Speaker 1: what I know. End violence against women. If you suspect
40:42
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