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The Problem(s) with Katy Perry · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - Welcome to our show, in-person, live, in a studio.
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  We are Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I am Shauna and I'm Olivia.
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  - And we are glad that you have found us.
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  I missed you.
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  - I missed you too.
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  - I'm glad that you're here.
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  - It's good to not see you through a screen.
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  - I know your hair looks so good.
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  It's so long.
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  - Thank you.
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  It's also very black.
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  - It's so black.
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  Like my soul.
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  - We same same.
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  - I know now that Shauna and I aren't together all the time,
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  I can have black hair.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And people really won't say that we're together.
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  - Oh, you guys did third.
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  - Yeah, like a guys fraternal twins.
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  - Did you guys share a whole meal?
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  (laughing)
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  - We might have.
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  - We might have.
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  - We might have.
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  - We're still out.
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  - One can only win.
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  (laughing)
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  - We did celebrate Olivia's birthday together in Phoenix,
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  which was a lot of fun.
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  - Yes.
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  - We got like a day bed, laid by the pool,
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  and did lots of shots,
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  and ate lots of food.
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  - My knees saw the sun for the first time this year.
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  - Yeah.
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  - It was a beautiful,
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  - Yeah, we wore bathing suits.
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  - We didn't like totally.
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  It turned to ash at the sun, hitting our skin.
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  - It was great.
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  - It was quite odd.
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  I got in the car today to drive here,
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  and I got in, and it was like a very hot car,
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  and I was like, ooh, I like this feeling.
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  And I was like, I feel like you can only really like that feeling
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  if you experience it two to three times a year.
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  - Yeah, not if you live in Phoenix.
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  - I think you're like, - It's like a nostalgia feeling.
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  - You're getting into an oven.
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  - Oh, I'm home, but I don't want to stay home.
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  - I know, I just asked Olivia before we were recording.
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  Like, when do you think you're gonna come back again?
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  She's like, not in the fucking summer, Shana.
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  Oh my God, so I'm gonna have to go to San Francisco,
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  or we're gonna wait till October.
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  - There were spots.
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  - And that's not gonna happen.
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  - There were spots.
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  - I know, I guess I'll go to San Francisco.
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  - It's beautiful.
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  - It is beautiful.
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  - And it's colder in the summer.
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  - There.
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  - I went in July once, and I was cold.
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  - Yeah.
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  - It was like a weapon, it was super cold there.
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  - It was stupid.
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  Then I just got drunk in a little.
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  - A little.
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  - It was also raining.
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  - It was also raining.
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  I also didn't believe people
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  when they said seasonal depression exist.
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  And then I didn't see the sun for like three months.
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  And then I came here and I was like,
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  oh, you do need vitamin D, got it.
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  - I can feel my serotonins the minute I get into a patio
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  in like this phoenix spring.
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  And I'm like, have a drink in my hand and the sun.
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  And maybe someone walks a dog by.
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  I go, you know what?
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  Maybe everything will be okay.
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  - Maybe this is the point.
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  - Maybe this is the point.
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  And then CNN dings on my phone.
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  And I'm like, he did what?
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  - Oh, never mind.
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  (laughing)
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  Everything is trash.
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  Anyway, speaking of trash, that's gonna bring us in
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  to this week's topic, which is a trash celebrity,
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  the downfall of Katy Perry.
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  - Oh.
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  (dramatic music)
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  - So Olivia and I have one thing on our minds,
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  the downfall of civilization.
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  But also, what's the deal with Katy Perry?
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  She's in space.
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  She's getting trolled by Wendy's.
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  She's working with Russian company.
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  She's at the Met Gala, but like not really.
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  - She's going and done and court.
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  - Killed and done.
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  Oh my God.
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  - She was like in a legal battle with a nun.
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  And the nun literally dropped dead in the body.
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  - She died of the court hearing.
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  She said Katy Perry represents everything that we don't like.
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  It would be a sin to sell this church to her and then died.
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  - Yeah, in the middle of the courtroom.
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  What a statement.
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  - What a statement.
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  - What a statement.
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  - Anyway, what is going on with Katy Perry?
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  She used to have the world on her shoulders.
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  Everyone thought that she was gonna be the next pop superstar.
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  - I mean, she was for a little bit.
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  - She was.
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  - She was her teenage dream era.
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  Like, she was such a big star that if you weren't there,
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  I feel like it's hard to explain because she was kind of famous.
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  - She was ultra famous.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She was on top of the world.
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  She was doing it.
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  When I first learned about Katy Perry, she was dating Jim Class Heroes like singer.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - And she was going to work towards the same thing.
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  - She was going to work to her and the alternative station in Phoenix used to play
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  I Kiss to Girl.
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  She was kind of on that like cusp of like not punk by any means, but kind of like she
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  was a genius rock.
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  - Yeah, kind of like.
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  I'm a cool alternative girl, look at my shaggy haircut, right?
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  - Yes.
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  - And then she, her first, well she first started as a Christian singer under the name Catherine
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  Hudson.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So if you look back in the day, it's all Jesus music.
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  I think her dad was a pastor.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Real Bible belt.
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  - Yeah, and I'll admit that I think Katy Perry has a nice voice.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - I think she's a good talented singer.
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  So she released gospel album and then got discovered I guess.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And then went on to release "You're So Gay."
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  - Yeah.
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  - Which is a good song though.
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  - It's so like kind of offensive, but like it's Bob.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Listen.
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  - It was a 2010s product.
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  - Yeah.
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  - But it is a Bob.
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  - It screams 2010.
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  - It's a homophobic Bob.
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  - It's a homophobic Bob.
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  - Just like picture a burn original version.
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  - Original version of homophobic.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Insert Hillary Duff.
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  - You know, you shouldn't say gay as an insult.
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  - It's like saying that top is born as pants.
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  I don't remember the rest of it.
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  You're skirt being a born as a top.
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  - There you go.
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  - There you go.
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  - I got there.
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  Come on, Hillary.
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  Help us out.
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  Help us out.
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  - We're all ready.
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  - So Hillary Clinton arises.
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  - Katy Perry is kind of like crushing it in every single way.
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  In her first two albums, she's really, really popular.
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  I think at the time she's actually married to Russell Brand.
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  And that should have been our first.
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  - She dated Orlanda Blimb.
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  - No, she dated John Mayer.
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  - She dated John Mayer.
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  - She dated John Mayer, which is where the famous Taylor Swift and Katy Perry feud is actually
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  from.
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  - I thought it was the stealing of the backup dancer.
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  - Yeah, but like, you know, I think there was animosity there and then it bill.
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  But yeah, the public story is that it's a backup dancer thing.
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  But I think that's like, you know, when you are just like so mad at someone and they
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  do something like really small and you're like, "Yeah."
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  - Yeah, and you're like, "Now that's the straw that probed the Katy Perry's back."
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  - Or you're in like a petty war.
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  That's like what I think happened, ultimately.
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  But Katy Perry, this feud with Taylor Swift really kind of starts her like initial like,
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  what the hell is going on with Katy Perry?
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  - Yeah, because it kind of like everyone was kind of taking sides, I think.
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  And I do, they squashed it, I think, really well.
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  And it was in Taylor's video.
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  They squashed it for you need to calm down.
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  - Yes.
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  - And I thought that was really cute.
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  She was on top of the world.
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  She performed at the Super Bowl and had the famous left shark.
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  Her song, "Oh gosh, Roar was used at like every single political campaign."
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  - Well, that's actually, that's a little bit before.
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  So when she released her album, "Prizm" is where she got into doing...
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  - If you're talking about the purposeful pop.
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  - Yes, purposeful pop.
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  - And that's later in her, her way of saying it.
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  - Yes, yes, yes.
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  - Witness.
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  - And then, she gets into this feud with Taylor Swift.
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  And they're like having a song off.
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  And have you ever heard the song "Swish/Swish" by Katy Perry?
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  - It's so bad.
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  - Yes.
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  - It's when she chopped all of her hair off, too.
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  - Yes, well, she was trying to be a little...
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  - The purposeful pop.
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  - ...the purposeful pop.
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  - ...siris, which is the witness album.
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  - Oh, that's it.
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  That's it.
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  Okay.
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  - Yes.
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  - Witness.
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  Yeah.
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  So she goes into...
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  - "Prizm" had Dark Horse in Roar, which were like...
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  - Oh, those are pretty usually famous.
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  - So, right after "Swish/Swish".
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  Katy Perry cuts her hair into a pixie cut.
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  - It literally cuts it.
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  - Literally, exactly.
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  - And her cut is Miley Cyrus' hat.
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  - Yes.
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  And Katy Perry is a beautiful woman.
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  - No, with that haircut.
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  - No, with that haircut.
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  - And she starts really going into doing the most bubblegum activism ever on this album,
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  as well, in the witness album.
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  - Oh, god.
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  - It's so bad.
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  She said it was going to be "Purposeful Pop".
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  But there was nothing.
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  - Yeah, there's nothing deep.
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  - It's something deep.
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  - It took Katy Perry's hair.
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  - And this is coming out during...
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  So, changed to the rhythm.
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  Came out in 2017.
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  This is after Donald Trump had become elected president.
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  We're having a political revolution.
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  We want feminism is in the forefront.
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  And she releases this sad-ass little song and album that's like, "Look, I'm participating."
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  And then "Swish/Swish" bitches on that.
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  - Yeah.
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  - With "Bone/Apeteet".
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  - Which was really controversial.
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  - Well, she also performed it on SNL and did her first.
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  We will get into the next many of them.
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  Really bad dance moves on SNL.
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  - Okay.
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  - To "Bone/Apeteet", where she dabs.
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  - Oh.
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  - But just like a cringey white lady dab with Migos rapping.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Oh, I see.
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  - Honestly.
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  - There are so many moments of Katy Perry's career, where if you just put them together,
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  you're like, "I am uncomfortable."
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  - It's so cringey.
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  - But it's so cringey, you feel it in your butt.
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  - I want to take a little...
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - You know, you just...
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  - It's oo!
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  - Yeah.
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  - Take a little pause here.
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  - Were you ever a Katy Perry face?
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  - Yes.
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  So our first two albums, like Teenage Dream, when I was a senior in high school, was bumping that.
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  - That and Kesha, which is quite funny.
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  - Oh, I love that.
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  - That it was Kesha of all people.
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  - Like us.
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  - Yes.
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  - Yeah, the famous Dr. Luke and Kesha battle.
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  Katy Perry, four teenage dream, worked with Dr. Luke.
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  Dr. Luke was very respected at the time.
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  We didn't really know anything about...
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  - Yeah.
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  - Kesha hadn't came out with her accusations.
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  - Kesha, Anna, Kelly Clarkson hadn't.
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  - That's right.
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  - About how kind of awful this man was.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And among sexual abuse, it was also...
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  He was stealing people's credits.
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  - Yeah.
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  - He's grabbed a song, like all of these things.
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  So allegedly, so we don't get sued here.
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  - Someone's gonna sue Paul.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Good luck.
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  - We're Ironclad bitches.
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  - Yeah, that's it.
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  But, you know, allegedly, you know, these things happened to these women.
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  And of course, we very much believe it on this side.
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  But what about you, were you ever Katy Perry fan?
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  - Not really.
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  I always, I mean, I've been such a big gaga fan for so long.
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  And it kind of felt like Katy Perry was just like the team who got gaga knock off for a lot.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She definitely has some songs that I have on some like get drunk and buy the pool playlist, right?
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  - Yeah.
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  - Last Friday night, a Bob.
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  - I hated last Friday night.
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  I hate that fucking song.
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  - I love that song.
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  - I like Dark Horse.
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  - Ooh.
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  - I like Harley's and Hawaii.
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  - So you like her later music?
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  - Yeah, those are Dark Horse.
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  - Okay.
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  - It was what like 2017, yeah, I guess.
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  - Yeah.
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  - All right.
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  - I like Kiss to Girl because I'm a little guy.
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  - Okay.
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  - Like, yeah.
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  - Okay.
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  - Her first single ever and then her fourth album.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  - In between, not so much.
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  - Okay.
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  - I remember working in some services.
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  - So that's a controversial opinion.
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  - Dark Horse is a good song.
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  - I mean, it's a good song.
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  But like, how often are you seeking out Dark Horse?
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  - No, at the time it came out.
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  - Oh, it was good.
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  - I don't fucking like Katy Perry anymore.
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  - Okay.
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  - You're like, I heard it once.
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  - I hate it.
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  - That's what you're getting me right now.
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  - It was fine.
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  It's a fine song.
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  When I worked in social services, I had this client.
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  - I had a real Dark Horse.
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  - I had a real Dark Horse if you know what I mean.
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  - I had this girl who was my client and she wouldn't speak to any other support person who
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  came into her house.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She had a serious mental illness.
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  And I'm not breaking any hip.
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  I was like, fucking ten years ago.
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  - From that stupid thing.
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  - She's a college now.
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  She's fine.
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  - I was in and I really, I saw like the teenage dream album sitting there.
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  - Oh, it was pretending like that.
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  - I was like, wow, I love Katy Perry.
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  - She's just your sweet, sweet, sweet song.
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  - Sweet, sweet, sweet.
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  - I was like, I need, I don't.
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  - I need a new position.
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  - I'm quitting.
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  - I can't do this.
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  - I quit.
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  - But we had to bond over Katy Perry and that's all she would speak.
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  When I came out and I was like, yeah, she's great.
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  She loves me.
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  She won't speak to anyone else.
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  How did you get her to talk?
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  Talk about Katy Perry.
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  - So that's why you meet kids where they are.
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  - She would say in the California girls, like there's fine fresh fears.
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  We got it on lock.
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  And I used to tease her by saying farm fresh eggs.
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  We got it.
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  And she was so mad at me.
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  - Yeah.
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  - You, you, you disrespected me.
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  - I did.
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  - She got it on with girls.
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  So now when you hear that, think farm fresh eggs.
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  - She got it on.
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  - Did you hear that on a commercial?
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  - No, I just, craving some eggs.
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  - I just was hungry.
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  - I love eggs.
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  - Okay.
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  - Now this economy, farm fresh eggs.
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  - Yeah.
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  Now it's coming back.
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  She should lean into that.
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  Now, and Katy Perry has always kind of been someone who makes, like, like, swish, swish.
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  If you've never seen the music video, go watch it.
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  - She's too good.
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  She's so weird.
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  - She's like, what's like B?
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  - Riff Raff.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She came with Riff Raff.
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  - Wasn't she dating him for a little bit?
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  - I don't know if they dated, but they definitely attempted, like, an awards show together.
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  And this was been me and my husband.
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  We're in this era where we kind of ironically liked Riff Raff.
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  But then it kind of got a little too serious.
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  And we started actually liking Riff Raff.
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  So we had to stop because we got nervous.
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  - I one time was at a college party and we were in what, in Tempe is called the View.
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  - Oh, god.
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  - And it's basically just like a giant frat house.
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  - I'm sorry, I just had a flash back.
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  - Yeah, but it's like apartments.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And you would go, like, room to, or apartment to apartment.
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  And there would be like crazy apartments.
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  - Everyone's doors just open.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Everyone's open.
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  It's like a giant party.
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  It was a great time in college.
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  - Time to do that.
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  - And I have been daydriggy all day, like, tailgating.
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  And I look over.
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  And I just see Riff Raff in his rainbow colored braids.
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  And I'm like, I need to get out of here immediately.
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  Like, this is the time where I said, I should go home.
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  - I got it go home.
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  - I need to leave Riff Raff is here.
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  - I'm so glad I wasn't there because I absolutely would have tried to sleep with Riff Raff.
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  - 100%.
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  - It was after spring breakers that come out.
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  - You know I would have to.
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  - I, all I can see when I look at you is look at all my shit.
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  - Spring break.
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  - Spring break.
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  - Spring break.
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  - I absolutely would have gone up in my layer.
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  - Riff Raff.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Let's do it.
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  - I'm glad you weren't there.
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  - I'm so glad I wasn't there.
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  - Yeah.
• 14:47
  - Let's take a little break.
• 14:48
  - We don't need that Riff Raff.
• 14:49
  - We don't need that Riff Raff in our life.
• 14:51
  Let's take a little break and then we're going to get into what most people kind of know for
• 14:55
  the current controversies for Katy Perry.
• 14:58
  This bitch went to space.
• 15:00
  - Yeah.
• 15:01
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• 15:43
  - I'm going to pull up the figure.
• 15:46
  - I lost my spine to the whole mouth.
• 15:50
  - You can piece a paper to follow underneath.
• 15:55
  Listen, she's never beating the paper out.
• 16:00
  - I'll say it work.
• 16:02
  - I want to be stupid.
• 16:04
  - I know you do, sweetie.
• 16:05
  It's okay.
• 16:06
  I want to look at my Olivia and be a dumbass and talk about Katy Perry.
• 16:11
  - She sucks.
• 16:13
  - I forgot to mention about Katy Perry.
• 16:17
  - This is the place dimension.
• 16:18
  - During the witness era, she did like a 48 hour livestream.
• 16:23
  - Maybe it was about that.
• 16:25
  - She was unhinged in it.
• 16:27
  It's also when she had a pixie cut.
• 16:28
  Everyone hated her.
• 16:31
  It's wild.
• 16:32
  There are clips of it.
• 16:33
  It is the most random thing you've ever seen.
• 16:35
  - It's like rolling on the floor.
• 16:37
  - Yeah, one point she's crying on the stairs.
• 16:39
  - Yeah.
• 16:40
  - Like drama.
• 16:41
  - No one understands me.
• 16:43
  - Yeah, it's wild.
• 16:45
  - So, don't swish, wish.
• 16:48
  - I think she was trying to be.
• 16:51
  So, in our J-Lo, like the fall of J-Lo break down episode, you know what I mean?
• 16:56
  - Yeah.
• 16:57
  - We talked about how J-Lo needs to become more like personal with her audience and be seen
• 17:02
  as more of a person.
• 17:03
  - It is very easy, yes.
• 17:05
  I think this was Katie trying to be like, look, I'm just like you guys.
• 17:10
  I'm a real person, but it was so weird.
• 17:12
  It was like a big brother house.
• 17:14
  - Yeah, it was odd.
• 17:16
  - And anytime a celebrity enters into reality television show territory, I feel like it's
• 17:22
  kind of like the downfall of their career.
• 17:25
  Unless that's how you started, like the Kardashians.
• 17:28
  - Yeah, I think that Katie Perry, like right now, so there's kind of two main controversies
• 17:37
  happening for Katie Perry right now, which is her terrible tour promo of going to space.
• 17:45
  - The space trip was so like, read the fucking room.
• 17:51
  Where the world is at war, people are dying, Kim.
• 17:55
  - Yeah. Look at everything that's going on in the news and the things that people really
• 17:59
  care about.
• 18:00
  And we're all kind of, you know, eat the rich right now.
• 18:03
  Like we don't, we're not into fucking billionaires.
• 18:05
  Elon Musk is tearing down the country.
• 18:08
  Donald Trump sucks and she's going to go on Jeff Bezos' penish-shaped airplane to space.
• 18:13
  - Yeah, with Lauren and Gail.
• 18:15
  And I'm just talking about how much I like to gail.
• 18:18
  - I know.
• 18:19
  Embarrassing.
• 18:20
  - Cancel me.
• 18:21
  - Yeah, I would.
• 18:22
  - I would, guys.
• 18:23
  - I would.
• 18:24
  - I would.
• 18:25
  - Do it.
• 18:26
  So yeah, she goes, it's not just that she goes into space.
• 18:30
  She goes into space and comes back doing some of the most unhinged shit.
• 18:37
  So she gets back from space, steps on the ground and kisses it.
• 18:42
  - She was in space for 11 minutes.
• 18:45
  - That's worth mentioning.
• 18:47
  - 11 minutes.
• 18:48
  And she has this little daisy with her the whole time.
• 18:50
  And I'm sorry, she probably had a video of her like staring into my room.
• 18:54
  - Yeah.
• 18:55
  - She's at a grateful, dead concert.
• 18:56
  - And everyone behind her is looking rightfully so out the window at this beautiful view of
• 19:01
  Earth that like she's like, all.
• 19:03
  - Take a picture.
• 19:04
  - Us pours are never going to get to see.
• 19:07
  - And she's like, here's the set list for my upcoming tour.
• 19:10
  Like try to put it up to the camera and it's all blurry.
• 19:13
  You know it can see it.
• 19:15
  - What song did she sing?
• 19:17
  And Waltz in space.
• 19:19
  - I don't remember, but I remember Gail said that she did.
• 19:21
  - It's a beautiful world.
• 19:22
  - Oh, girl.
• 19:23
  - I think so.
• 19:24
  Yeah, I think it's a beautiful world.
• 19:25
  - I did like the memes of everyone was getting off the ship and Gail just like fucking over
• 19:30
  it.
• 19:31
  And someone said if Katy Perry sang to me in a space capsule, I'd be fucking over it too.
• 19:36
  Like okay, I get that.
• 19:40
  - But no, it was just so tone deaf and then she tried to spin it as something like.
• 19:46
  - She said there's so much love.
• 19:47
  I feel so much of the love.
• 19:50
  - And like some feminist moment.
• 19:52
  And you know what?
• 19:53
  Like I think this comes down to like my issue with Katy Perry too is this fake white feminism
• 19:59
  that doesn't actually advance women and the causes that feminists care about.
• 20:05
  Right?
• 20:06
  So like going to space for 11 minutes on a billionaire's rocket ship is not what feminists care
• 20:12
  about.
• 20:13
  - For a female, all female fight crew.
• 20:15
  - We don't care about that.
• 20:16
  That's not furthering feminism.
• 20:18
  There was one lady on the flight that I think was an actual astronaut.
• 20:21
  And like she got totally pushed under the rug about shooting.
• 20:25
  And I'm sorry.
• 20:26
  Like in the mix of class wars and everything going on like no, you going to space is not making
• 20:32
  anyone feel more feminist.
• 20:34
  - Yes.
• 20:35
  And then it's like it's it's always the contradictions with her like I'm in a release
• 20:39
  a song called Woman's World about female power.
• 20:42
  - Oh my god.
• 20:43
  - But I'm going to work with like a man accused of like.
• 20:46
  - Yes.
• 20:47
  - Assault and things like that.
• 20:48
  - For that exact song.
• 20:51
  And that was Dr. Luke who let me have mentioned earlier.
• 20:53
  She after everything that came out about Kesha and Kelly Clarkson and all these people.
• 21:00
  She went back and worked with him again in July 2024 for Woman's World, which she said
• 21:05
  was aimed to empower women.
• 21:07
  Have you seen the music video for that song?
• 21:08
  - Yes.
• 21:09
  - So stupid.
• 21:10
  - It kind of like makes fun of women.
• 21:12
  - Yeah.
• 21:13
  It's not what doing what she thinks.
• 21:14
  - It's very like again.
• 21:15
  She was married to Russell Brown.
• 21:17
  - It's true.
• 21:18
  - So in like re-evaluations.
• 21:19
  - Yeah.
• 21:20
  - But she like is dressed for the male gaze in the video is making fun of quote unquote like
• 21:26
  bimbo women.
• 21:27
  Like we're past that make fun of other women kind of feminist.
• 21:30
  - That's right.
• 21:31
  - That's not it.
• 21:32
  - Yeah.
• 21:33
  - So that was a massive flop.
• 21:36
  We should also mention that like her both all of her previous albums.
• 21:39
  I mean we kind of talked about witness which had swish swish.
• 21:43
  And that was a huge fucking flop.
• 21:45
  But then this album that just came out, smile and then with woman's world all of it just
• 21:51
  commercial failures.
• 21:53
  - Yes.
• 21:54
  And that leads us really to our second embarrassing moment in controversy is Katie Perry is
• 22:01
  on a world tour right now and has record low sales for this tour.
• 22:10
  I actually before we recorded I was looking if you're in the Phoenix area.
• 22:15
  She has $60 tickets at footprint.
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  If you want the nosebleed.
• 22:20
  - No way.
• 22:21
  - It's like really good seats, 130 at footprint.
• 22:23
  - It's not even a stadium tour.
• 22:26
  - That's insane.
• 22:28
  Like I was looking into Gaga tour tickets and they're like $500 for the cheapest.
• 22:32
  - Yeah.
• 22:33
  I'm not going to that.
• 22:34
  - Yeah.
• 22:35
  But 30 bucks.
• 22:36
  - But footprint isn't like a stadium.
• 22:37
  Like I think they already moved it out of stadiums.
• 22:40
  But on top of that her ticket sales are flopping and the weirdest behavior on stage.
• 22:48
  - Her dance moves are so strange and I almost wish I knew the context.
• 22:52
  Like is she trying to be funny?
• 22:54
  - Of course she is.
• 22:55
  - But she's like Jennifer Lawrence in 2012.
• 22:58
  - Yeah.
• 22:59
  Like that's what she's doing.
• 23:00
  - But it's not charming.
• 23:01
  - Funny.
• 23:02
  Like it's coming.
• 23:03
  It's just bad dance moves.
• 23:05
  It's cringey.
• 23:06
  - She's like embarrassing.
• 23:08
  - She's like embarrassing, robotting.
• 23:09
  She has like a terrible wig on.
• 23:12
  - Yeah.
• 23:13
  - There's just weird stuff.
• 23:14
  - She's fighting with a lightsaber against like air conditioning dogs coming out.
• 23:19
  - Yeah.
• 23:20
  - Her like what was the budget on this tour?
• 23:22
  - Her Vegas residency.
• 23:24
  During California girls she was in a glittery toilet paper outfit like dress and then she
• 23:31
  was singing the chorus with the challenge.
• 23:35
  - To a big toilet poo in the toilet.
• 23:37
  - That's it's not a dance put poo in the toilet.
• 23:39
  - Yeah, like it's not camp.
• 23:41
  It's not camp.
• 23:42
  - She's like trying too hard.
• 23:43
  - Yes.
• 23:44
  - Gaga is camp.
• 23:45
  - Yeah.
• 23:46
  - This is cringey.
• 23:47
  - Yeah.
• 23:48
  - And there is a difference.
• 23:49
  - Yeah.
• 23:50
  - I don't know.
• 23:51
  I don't know.
• 23:52
  Does have a beautiful husband.
• 23:53
  - Oh my god.
• 23:54
  - And it makes me think less of Orlando Bloom.
• 23:57
  I'm like what's going on there?
• 23:58
  - I love Orlando Bloom.
• 24:00
  When we were at Olivia's party as we've mentioned earlier the episode.
• 24:04
  - You have to censor your words.
• 24:05
  - I will choose my words wisely here.
• 24:08
  We were all laying in the day bed after lots of drinks and it came up like we asked one
• 24:14
  of the girls, hey did you know that Orlando Bloom is new?
• 24:16
  It's on the internet.
• 24:17
  Another girl's like, no does he?
• 24:19
  And we're like, yeah.
• 24:20
  - Okay, it's not like a leaf picture.
• 24:22
  - He's kayaking.
• 24:23
  - He's kayaking.
• 24:24
  - Well, he's naked.
• 24:25
  - Just on his knees.
• 24:27
  Just pronounced.
• 24:28
  - Yes.
• 24:29
  - He's above Katy Perry's head.
• 24:31
  - Yeah.
• 24:32
  - He was searching for it.
• 24:33
  It was it was a worthy service.
• 24:35
  - It was.
• 24:36
  - I loved it.
• 24:37
  - Impressive.
• 24:38
  - I've filled my Legolas fantasy.
• 24:40
  - Yes.
• 24:41
  - You know, from a young young age wanted to know what was under that skirt.
• 24:45
  - And I found it.
• 24:46
  - Yes.
• 24:47
  His Elven staff is powerful.
• 24:54
  He can put his pirate ship into my bag.
• 24:58
  - Oh, that's a pirate ship.
• 24:59
  Legolas doesn't have a pirate ship.
• 25:01
  - I'm making more Orlando Bloom movie references.
• 25:03
  - I like about his member.
• 25:05
  - I get it now.
• 25:06
  - You can steal that ship right into my port.
• 25:09
  But yeah, we passed the phone around and we all were like, and then we took a--
• 25:15
  - We showed the server.
• 25:16
  - We did.
• 25:17
  And then we took a shot to Orlando Bloom's penis.
• 25:19
  - Yeah.
• 25:20
  - And then we said, "Oh, yeah, wait, wait, wait.
• 25:21
  Olivia's birthday."
• 25:22
  - Yeah, more important things.
• 25:23
  Birthday too.
• 25:24
  No, but, you know, it's out there.
• 25:27
  You can find it.
• 25:28
  - But yeah, I'm interested to know like if Katy Perry can get her career back on track.
• 25:35
  I think that she needs to get away from the public eye.
• 25:37
  I think that she-- I don't know.
• 25:40
  I don't know if anybody-- everyone's sick of her.
• 25:42
  She's made a lot of bad decisions.
• 25:44
  She's very out of touch.
• 25:46
  I think that's it.
• 25:47
  She's out of touch with--
• 25:48
  - The biggest crime of all the right now.
• 25:50
  - Yeah, being cringed and out of touch.
• 25:52
  - Yeah.
• 25:53
  - Like, we are in--
• 25:54
  - Gen Z cannot have it.
• 25:55
  - No, but especially when we have all of these other pop girlies who seem so genuine,
• 26:00
  they aren't trying too hard.
• 26:02
  They stand up for what they believe in, but do it in like a meaningful way.
• 26:06
  And if they're making distraction pop, which we need, the recession pop, we all need that.
• 26:12
  Then they're doing it in a-- I don't know more of a spontaneous--
• 26:15
  - Oh, what's funny, man.
• 26:16
  Katy Perry came up in a recession time.
• 26:18
  So it is very, very interesting.
• 26:20
  - Yeah.
• 26:21
  - Yeah, I think that--
• 26:22
  - She hasn't been able to recapture it though.
• 26:24
  - So Katy Perry during witness, like, had to disappear.
• 26:28
  She did disappear.
• 26:29
  And she spent, like, same with Jennifer Lawrence.
• 26:32
  I think they're in different industries that are comparable, where it was like, "Oh, I'm
• 26:37
  the every girl's moral."
• 26:39
  I like beer, and I'm fun, and I don't need all these things.
• 26:44
  I think that Jennifer Lawrence was that-- that's a very big A-Less movie star.
• 26:50
  And then you looked at Katy Perry.
• 26:52
  They both disappeared around the same time.
• 26:54
  And they both stayed away for around the same time.
• 26:56
  - Trust you.
• 26:57
  - Jay-law came back good and authentic, and was like, "Okay, she was always--
• 27:02
  - I was gonna say-- - Jay-law's hate was totally unbounded.
• 27:05
  It was misogyny, like, for sure.
• 27:08
  - But how dare a girl be herself.
• 27:11
  But Katy Perry, yeah, she--
• 27:12
  - Different.
• 27:13
  - Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:14
  Because hers doesn't seem authentic in the slightest.
• 27:17
  - No, and that's a problem.
• 27:19
  But I think that, you know, when people go through a mass hatred, Katy Perry isn't done
• 27:25
  anything terrible.
• 27:26
  Like, she went to space like a rich person, so do so many other men.
• 27:30
  - Yeah, she's just--
• 27:31
  - But--
• 27:32
  - She's tongue deaf, I think, is the thing.
• 27:33
  It's like, she says she's one thing, "Oh, I'm a feminist, and I'm here for women," but
• 27:37
  then she's not when it really comes down to it.
• 27:41
  So I think that's her problem.
• 27:42
  But yeah, I mean, she hasn't--
• 27:44
  - Yeah, she hasn't, like, done anything truly heinous like that.
• 27:47
  - Yeah.
• 27:48
  - And have a totally normal time.
• 27:50
  - That is true.
• 27:51
  We need to do an episode like this about the downfall of a man's career.
• 27:54
  - Wow.
• 27:55
  - And it'll be a lot different.
• 27:57
  Because it'll be sad and violent.
• 27:59
  - It'll be sad and violent.
• 28:00
  - And it'll be crying.
• 28:01
  - It'll be crying, somehow.
• 28:03
  - She's kind of crenched.
• 28:05
  - Yeah.
• 28:06
  Yeah.
• 28:07
  So obviously, none of this is that serious.
• 28:09
  Katie Perry, you know, just doing the crime of the century as of right now in the Zeitgeist
• 28:15
  being crenched.
• 28:16
  - Being crenched, being town deaf.
• 28:18
  Show up and do an actual volunteer activity.
• 28:22
  If you're going to pretend that you're a feminist and that you care about shit, go to
• 28:26
  plan parenthood.
• 28:27
  - Yeah.
• 28:28
  - Go feed some Palestinian children, go volunteer at an LGBT community organization.
• 28:35
  Do something.
• 28:37
  And I don't know.
• 28:39
  Show us that you actually put your money where your mouth is and not just going to space
• 28:42
  with the kids.
• 28:43
  - Well, what's interesting is for like two weeks all the news cycle and pop culture was
• 28:48
  like Katie Perry's crenched her tour socks.
• 28:51
  - Yeah.
• 28:52
  - Right.
• 28:53
  And then the MacGala happened and someone like created a like a you.
• 28:58
  News are created an AI image of her at the MacGala and that happened the year before and she
• 29:03
  got a huge press head out of it a year before and I was like, that is definitely someone
• 29:08
  from our team because if you Google Katie Perry right now, all you see is her like commenting
• 29:13
  on the AI creation of the MacGala.
• 29:16
  - To not.
• 29:17
  She comments on things sometimes too and I'm like, "Girl, stop."
• 29:20
  - Yeah.
• 29:21
  - Wendy's.
• 29:22
  Oh my god.
• 29:23
  Before we go.
• 29:24
  - We'll leave you with the last one.
• 29:25
  - This is so funny.
• 29:26
  - This is so funny.
• 29:27
  - Okay.
• 29:28
  It's a tweet that Katie Perry has landed back from space.
• 29:32
  - Yes.
• 29:33
  - Wendy's responds and says, "Can we send her back?"
• 29:38
  - And then my favorite follow up.
• 29:40
  - Wendy's the fast food chain.
• 29:42
  - Wendy's the, they have fire.
• 29:43
  - Wendy Williams.
• 29:44
  - Oh my god.
• 29:45
  - Rest in peace.
• 29:46
  Wait, no, she's alive.
• 29:47
  - She's alive.
• 29:48
  - She's alive.
• 29:49
  - So, Kevcha, who we've mentioned earlier from the Dr. Luke situation.
• 29:55
  - Same day.
• 29:56
  - Same day, posts a selfie of her in his eating Wendy's and is like, "Love me some Wendy's."
• 30:03
  - Yeah, bringing out of a Wendy's cup.
• 30:04
  - Bring out a Wendy's cup.
• 30:05
  And we're like, "Yes girl."
• 30:07
  She's clapped back without even having to like, say anything, just her going to Wendy's.
• 30:12
  That was enough.
• 30:13
  And I am seeing Kevcha this July 6th in Phoenix, Arizona.
• 30:17
  And Olivia refuses to go with me because it'll be 150 degrees.
• 30:21
  - I literally spend an ornamental leg to not experience a Phoenix summer anymore, but
• 30:26
  I do love you.
• 30:27
  You could have also come to San Francisco.
• 30:29
  It's there three days before.
• 30:31
  - She's coming three days before.
• 30:32
  - Yeah, shit.
• 30:33
  - Well, the tickets will be too expensive.
• 30:34
  That's fourth of July.
• 30:35
  - No, it's still like 50 bucks.
• 30:37
  - Maybe I should just do both.
• 30:38
  - Yeah.
• 30:39
  - Just see her over and over again.
• 30:40
  - Yes.
• 30:41
  Dancing with my hands tied.
• 30:44
  So good.
• 30:45
  - Wait, no, wait, dancing with my tears in my eyes.
• 30:47
  - I was like, "Is that Taylor?"
• 30:49
  - Yeah, dancing with tears in my eyes.
• 30:52
  I'll be the animal album.
• 30:54
  All of animal by Kesha is a no-skip album.
• 30:57
  Just like Teenage Dream is a no-skip album.
• 31:00
  Not too much on my girl.
• 31:02
  - I'm gonna be drunk and covered in sweat and glitter.
• 31:05
  Which is the way I think Kesha wants it.
• 31:07
  It's called the Tits Out Tour or something ridiculous.
• 31:11
  - For my promo code to get the tickets, it was promo code Tits Out.
• 31:16
  And I was like, "Dare me, I'll do it."
• 31:18
  And to bring it all back to Taylor Swift, 'cause we're all through.
• 31:22
  - So Katy Perry also named her tour the Lifetime's tour
• 31:27
  right after the era's tour.
• 31:29
  - Girl, come on.
• 31:29
  - I'm just so embarrassing because you,
• 31:31
  like there are so many tickets in footprint.
• 31:34
  Like, footprint is the basketball stadium in Vegas.
• 31:37
  - That's a big arena.
• 31:37
  It's a big arena.
• 31:38
  - It's still big, but it's big.
• 31:40
  - It's not even a stadium tour, so.
• 31:42
  - Taylor won.
• 31:43
  - Taylor won in the event.
• 31:44
  - The Lifetime's copying the era's is just.
• 31:47
  - Yeah.
• 31:47
  - It's cringe.
• 31:48
  - It's cringe.
• 31:49
  - Yeah.
• 31:50
  - And have better dance moves.
• 31:51
  - It's giving failure.
• 31:52
  - Yeah.
• 31:53
  - So this kid and auditioned for American Idol
• 31:55
  and said he had never been kissed.
• 31:57
  - Oh, yeah.
• 31:58
  - And, okay, first of all, I think if you become a judge
• 32:00
  in American Idol, you or a husband, you or a sellout.
• 32:02
  - Or you do it to like reconnect with like a middle class,
• 32:07
  like older audience.
• 32:08
  - Yeah, I hate that.
• 32:09
  - Yeah.
• 32:10
  - Yeah, I know.
• 32:11
  I hate it.
• 32:12
  - Yeah.
• 32:13
  - And this kid said he had never been kissed before.
• 32:15
  And so she did that thing.
• 32:16
  - Should we kiss him?
• 32:17
  - I feel like for 10s, she's gonna do his cheek
• 32:19
  and the kisses and the mouth.
• 32:21
  - That's his kids first kiss.
• 32:22
  - For a senior old, yeah.
• 32:24
  - A stripper did that to me at my bachelor at party.
• 32:26
  - Sure.
• 32:27
  - No, like your first kiss.
• 32:28
  (laughing)
• 32:30
  - I didn't say that.
• 32:31
  - Well, yeah, you just did.
• 32:33
  - He did the thing where I leaned into kissing
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  on the cheek and he turned his head and kissed me on the nose.
• 32:37
  - Okay, there you go.
• 32:38
  Here you go.
• 32:39
  - It was my first kiss.
• 32:41
  I was saving it for my husband.
• 32:43
  - Gross.
• 32:43
  (laughing)
• 32:45
  - But yeah, so Katy Perry sucks.
• 32:47
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• 32:53
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