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#324 - For Azeroth!: "Time is Money" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Are you saying that you have limited information on something
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and you're not going to do a snap judgment and get yourself
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angry about something that you don't really know about?
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Because I think you need to think deeply about this, because
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if you say yes, you do have to delete your account forsaken.
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For Lauderon. For the Karen tour.
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For Pandaria. For calendar to the.
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Burning region for Gilnaeus, for Cosmaton, for the Lich King, for
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the Sindora. For the Alliance for.
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The Horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to episode.
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I don't have any idea what number this is for Azeroth.
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And you may notice that I am not Manny.
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I am one of the other hosts of the show.
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I'm Sean, and I'm joined today by the incomparable Lex T rants.
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Lex, how are you? I am doing well.
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I've had a good week. I'm finally getting my gear and
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my rotation up. I did finally get my seriously
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circlet, which everyone had told me I should do ages ago.
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And I'm like, well, it can't be that much better.
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Like it really can't be that many issues and it can't.
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So, you know, we're we're living our dreams and realizing that I
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was on the wrong mic. But yeah, so I'm finally
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actually doing real DPS and not parsing exclusively grace, which
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is very exciting and makes me feel like, you know, like I know
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how to play this video game. Lex, that ring's been out for a
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long time. It's OK, what am I like on a
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podcast about World of Warcraft or something?
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No, like why would like you know, why would I need to keep
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up? With I've heard I've heard
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podcasts of World of Warcraft that apparently have no idea how
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any functions of the game work, so we're fine I.
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Mean, I mean I do keyboard turns.
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So although I did have a moment, I did have a moment in raid last
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week where I like I was I because I'm a Demon Hunter.
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So I like zoomed ahead and I was turning around to like get back
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to like fight the boss and I was like I beaming the whole time
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and I was realizing how much I-beam I was wasting and I was
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like. Oh, just I beaming across the
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room. Yeah, like slowly inching my
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wear out of place. Now I kind of get it.
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Yeah, I. Get it now.
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I understand listeners. You don't get to judge lack.
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She is her scars. I am my scars.
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I don't. Never mind.
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I was going to make a joke, but it wasn't going to.
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It was going to sound like an actual threat.
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So we're going to. Yeah, we're not.
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No real threats. No, we're going to be on our
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best behavior. Maybe he's never going to last
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record again. No, never.
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That's right. Yeah, Manny told us we could
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record, but we had to promise to limit it to three swear words
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and we have to tell him when they happen.
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And neither one of us is allowed to threaten Blizzard directly.
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So we'll see how we do. We'll.
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See, I believe it. I do too.
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Manny usually asks us, asks us both how the World of Warcraft
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has been treating us. I feel like you just told us how
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the World of Warcraft has been treating you.
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And I'm just going to say it's great.
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The game is great. I'm having fun blasting keys on
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EU and a I've I've picked up Discipline Priest.
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I'm just dabbling. I'm just dipping my toe in and
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I'm playing void Weaver. So for all the people out there
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who've tracked the meta effort mythic plus they're all
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screaming right now, you got to play Oracle.
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Oracle's the one to play. Don't play void Weaver, but I
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just I fucks with void Weaver more.
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It just it's a void off character.
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So I like that I turned to the void when I'm doing these
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things. It's the matic and I'm not
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trying to get title here. I'm just having some fun letting
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pugs die. Many deaths.
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Many, many deaths. That's true.
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Sometimes you got to let a pug die.
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I I should. Maybe that's why I how I should
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go into my pugs. It's just they're going to die.
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It's OK. Yeah, just we have to accept
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that many of you will die, and that's the sacrifice I'm willing
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to make. Yeah.
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That's fun though. I started with holy for a very
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long time. I tried disc a couple times, it
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was too complicated for me little brain.
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You should try wood Weaver. It's like super simple.
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You powered radiance. So I'll so I want to be clear.
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This is specifically in mythic plus.
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In raid it's different because you have to use renews and
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Shields more. But in mythic plus it's like I
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powered radiance. The whole group's got their
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stuff. I throw a shield on the tank and
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then it's shadow word pain, little voidy pet guy.
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My mind. No, you don't.
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Wait, is that? Not a thing anymore.
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Is that is that shadow? I think that I'm I'm mixing up
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with shadow. Continue.
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Continue. But then mind blast penance,
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spam smite until you penance again and then just refresh
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powered radiance. It's it's, it's actually just
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like ADPS rotation, but you're healing number of health bars
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are going up. I'm doing something right, Yeah.
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That's true that when I did disk I my whole thing was like, I, I
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can't do DPS like and I, I'm really, really bad at range.
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DPSI don't I might, I don't know what it was, but like everything
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people are like, oh, this is the easiest range DPS and I'd be
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getting like 2 damage And I'm like, well, I don't know what
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I'm doing wrong because I feel like this should be making more
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sense. And I was very convinced there
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was something wrong with my brain and I could not manage DPS
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at all. Like for whatever reason, I
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couldn't get a rotation to fit in my head until I did Demon
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Hunter. And then it all started to kind
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of make sense. So part of it was that I knew
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that disc was very basically just ADPS healer where you just
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keep things up and you go. And I was like well I can't do
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GPS, that's impossible, but maybe I should try it again now
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that I know that I can do GPSI say it.
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So I've ever once in my life managed to maintain 2 characters
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at Max level ever. Yeah, there's no there's no
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chef. For those who keep it score at
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home, Lex will not be playing discipline this.
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Season. Oh no, certainly not.
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Speaking of, this season we had some news.
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But before we hit the big news, Blizzard gave us a release date
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that it was the worst kept secret on the planet.
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Everybody knew anyway, but we're going to talk about it and talk
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about how they're staggering releases and stuff.
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But I want to talk about what I think is probably the best
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change Blizzard has ever made to a raid in the history of raiding
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all the way back to Molten Core, and that is the skip in the
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Liberation of Undermine. So previously previously on for
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Hazaroth, the way that the skip worked is you would kill Vexi
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and the gear grinders and then you would talk to a little
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goblin out front. I don't know who it is, Gazzler
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or somebody. It's a it's a goblin.
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They all the same. You would talk to the goblin out
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front and then they would take you to the tower of spades where
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you would be able to kill mugsy and Galliwicks, which in its own
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right is a, is a decent skip. But there is no way to backtrack
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to 1 Iron Bandit, who has a best weapon that everybody wants and
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really nice trinkets everybody wants.
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So that the only way to get to 1 iron Bandit was to kill all of
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the other bosses and the ridiculous amounts of trash that
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are in this raid to get to them. So what they did was Blizzard
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Hot fixed it and now when you activate the skip you have two
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choices. Option one go to the High Roller
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suite which lets you kill one armed bandit or option 2GO to
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the tower of space fight mugsy so you can.
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Essentially it's now the best skip of all time because you can
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go to any boss in the raid in any order that you want of after
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killing Vexi first and then you can only target the bosses your
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raid team needs. It is so good.
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It's such a nice change. Fazdev, thank you so so much.
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That's very fun. Yeah.
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We, we love a like choose your own adventure sort of city.
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I feel like if I'm able to skip, I should be able to skip to
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whatever I want to. That's my take.
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Yeah I agree 100% like I've already killed his bosses
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please. Or just give me a button that
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turns the trash off and let me just do the.
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Trash this season I know that it's because I'm an idiot and I
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cannot drive in a straight line and so usually I just get in
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someone else's car. But then sometimes I have to
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like repair and I don't get there in time and then I have to
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drive my own my own little dumb self.
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But it's, it's so stressful and even when I don't pull trash,
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which I usually do, but even if I, I don't pull trash, I spend
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the entire time like, you know, gripping my little steering
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wheel until my knuckles are white, like I'm going to pull
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trash. So I, I don't, I don't like the
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trash in this. And I especially since you can't
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get Bo ES off of it. Like if you're going to give me
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an unbelievable amount of trash that I'm going to pull
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accidentally almost guaranteed, because it's just everywhere and
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it's like driving around and there's stupid air balloons and
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stuff. At least make it so that when I
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do that I don't feel like a huge awful loser who ruined my entire
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raids night. I'm going to give you some sweet
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tech that you can use. So after you kill a boss, swap
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to vengeance, mount your regular ground mount and run to the next
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boss, and whatever you pull just let it kill you when you get to
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the next boss's room and then wait to get res when your team
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shows up. That's so smart.
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But you can't, you can't drive the car because as soon as the
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car enters combat, you get kicked out of the car.
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So you got to use your OG ground mount and you're swapping A
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Vengeance because Vengeance can't get stunned because it's a
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tank. Yeah.
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And we have another Demon Hunter tank in my group, so I can just
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be like, oh, no, that must have been Kirk.
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I thought, yeah, I know. I also saw that following the
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Demon Hunter. Yeah, Kirk, you're going to want
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to get good there. Yeah, come on, Kirk.
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Yeah, man, don't pull trash and then die and then become named
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Lexani. That's get it together.
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Anyway, that's the play Lex that's but you said something
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that I want to sidebar quickly. You mentioned how go being able
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to go to any boss is like a choose your own adventure.
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Did you read? Did you guys have choose your
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own adventure books? I OK, so I very specifically
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show like I, I, I sought them out when I was a kid because I
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thought they seemed really cool and I was really bad at them.
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I kept like like so I got into them when I was like middle
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school ish. So it was very like girly pop
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novels about like relationships and somehow I would end up like
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crying on the the curb because I like killed my boyfriend or
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something. So I was bad at choosing on
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adventure books, but I really liked them and I and I think
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they're a cute idea. I like the idea of like reading
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a book and then you're jumping around and then your choices
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matter. I guess I could also like play
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video games. I don't want my choices to
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matter, but. Did you now?
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No judgement here. Did you ever keep your finger on
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the page You were leaving all the time.
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The choice you made was better. This is, this is, and I do this
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with anything that like like when I do one of those like bar,
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like yes, no, that you're following down those trees.
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I'm always kind of like looking a couple steps ahead to be like,
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which way do I wanna go on this one?
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Especially things a little up in the air, like I'm like, I'm not
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sure how I feel about this. I will 100% base it.
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I spoil everything for myself. I fully believe I'm a big
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proponent of spoilers. Not for other people.
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I understand other people don't want them.
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I want them all the time, forever.
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Give them to me. Hit a girl up.
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I would like to know what's going to happen in the future
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and if I don't like it, I would like to be able to change it
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every time. I don't mind spoilers.
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I'm like, because hearing a thing is so different from
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experience a thing for yourself. You know, if I, if you came to
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me and said, hey, just so you know, Darth Vader is actually
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Luke's father, hearing that means nothing.
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But experiencing that moment when Luke finds out and seeing
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his emotion and his reaction, that's where you get that feel.
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So spoilers don't really bother me.
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I'm not a, I'm not too fussed with them.
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And if there's something that I'm like, oh, I don't want to
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know how this goes. I just completely block all
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chances that I would see it. Yeah.
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I read something I don't, I never like Fact Check this, so I
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might be making it up, but I read somewhere that people, even
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if you think you don't like spoilers, you actually tend like
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people enjoy media more when they get spoiled on it.
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Because then you're able to kind of like look, look at all the
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like, you know, the foreshadowing and like see how
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things kind of go together and like you're able to watch the,
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the depth and the nuance of the, the story unfold.
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That said, if people say they don't want spoilers, don't give
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them to them because it is like if you I'm.
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I'm not saying go spoil everything for everyone and be a
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jerk. I'm just saying I also think
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that sometimes spoilers are fun. Yeah, so you heard her here
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first, Lex says. Tell everybody everything, all
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the time. Never let anything be a secret.
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No secrets framework. OK, Lex speak there.
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No secrets. That's a great segue.
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You are a professional podcaster.
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I love it. The worst kept secret on the
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planet was the release date of patch 11 point 1.5.
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Everybody and their dog had been saying April 22nd for, jeez,
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weeks now weeks and weeks have been saying April 22nd.
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And Blizzard came out and finally confirmed that yes,
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April 22nd is the launch of 11 point 1.5.
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But wait, it's not a normal release.
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We're not getting all of the patch all at once.
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They're staggering the way things are coming out and I
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don't know how I feel about it, so I'm going to wait to be told
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how to feel about it. So April 22nd is when we get
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Nightfall, which is some campaign quests and some
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collector trans mogs and stuff like that.
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And we get the cooldown manager, which is sort of like Blizzard's
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attempt at making weak auras, which I think is very cool.
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I'm looking forward to trying it out.
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And then we also get from April 22nd to May 20th, the Winds of
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Mysterious Fortune, which is just an alt catch up super fast
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leveling and. Maybe we'll play desk.
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Yes maybe super fast leveling and faction renowned, 200% major
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faction renowned in dragonfly zones and 100% in some zones in
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the war within. And then we have May 20th and
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this is what it starts to get. I don't want to say
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controversial but it gets like people are questioning some
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things. May 20th we get Horrific
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Visions, which is a time limited event coming back similar to the
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way they were in BFA. And with them is coming
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corruption and chance for our hats, which we'll talk about
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because if you remember, corruption from BFA was really
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strong. Twilight Devastation for
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example, was a big one that people loved.
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Well, the new corruptions in their current state are less
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than 1% damage across the board. They're almost not even worth
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equipping. And then lastly, the dastardly
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duos which people are excited about which is the dungeon boss
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rush comes June 3rd to July 15th.
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Lex, how do you feel about a staggered release of time
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limited content in a .5 patch? I feel interested in how this is
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going to go. I I think there's an argument to
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be made that it's like by and large, especially with point
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fives, often people really like front load it.
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And so if you want people to keep playing, there's a benefit
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to keep releasing new things, right?
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If you're not getting anything new, especially with how like
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it's really easy to kind of get bored, right?
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And once you get bored, you're it, it's hard to pull people
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back in at that point, especially since, you know,
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people are getting AOTC already. People are moving forward, you
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know, if they don't have anything to do, they're going to
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play for like a week, do all the content and then move on.
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I do also wonder, and this is my big unending conspiracy theory.
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This is also a great way to have multiple things at 11 point 1.5
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if you can't get them all done in time, right, which I kind of
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appreciate, right. I do think there's I, I'm the
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queen of give your employees a nap.
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And so I think like if this is what they have to do to keep up
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with the schedule that they've been setting for themselves, I
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don't think that's the worst thing ever.
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The flip side of all of that is that, you know, we I mean, first
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of all, it's time limited. So things are kind of getting
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pushed back. You don't have as much time to
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play. Also like like the horrific
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visions are really a gear catch up.
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And so I don't, I mean, I guess the question is whether or not
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we need a gear catch up right now.
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And if we do, then pushing that back a month doesn't like like
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if you if you were really excited about horrific visions
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for the gear and for the catch up, that probably doesn't feel
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great. Yeah, because they drop heroic
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track gear, right? That's so that's going to be I
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could maybe use it for an alt catch up type thing in for
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somebody in my situation, but hero track gear for you might
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not even be ketchup gear like that could still be gear that
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would help you get AOTC right. Well.
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And that's actually a really good point as you're saying that
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because yes, hero track gear could help me get AOT, get AOTC
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sooner on April 22nd. But you know, don't quote me on
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this, but if Timberma Tavern has not gotten AOTC by May 20th,
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something is going on, right? And so, yeah, why would you put
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a like that's, I mean, I guess catch up mechanics usually are
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late in the patch and usually the point is to really catch the
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people who are like, right, like I'm about to not get him to see
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all this stuff. So that's not necessarily and I
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mean, you know, to be fair, this is probably a conversation we've
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been official to have Manny in because you and I are both on
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team. Let me go be big, powerful,
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tough. So if if you're a little bit
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more concerned about things moving too quickly, then that
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maybe has more of an argument to push it back further so that
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people aren't getting their horrific visions.
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But yeah, I should be pretty close to full heroic year, one
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would think, by May 20th. By May 20th for sure.
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But yeah, I was thinking April 22nd when the patch launches
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because that's like 2 weeks away.
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I know you guys are. I think you are you on mugsy
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now? I can't remember.
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No, we're on bug junker and we had a.
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We also had some like, there's a lot of stuff going on this, this
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patch is a rough. One is is it Kirk?
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No, it's not Kirk. We've just had.
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We've had a lot of a lot of our players have had things that
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have meant that they've had to take this patch off.
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I don't know when Manny is going to drop this episode.
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So I might be pre enough actually, nevermind.
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I'm not going to say anything because I don't know when
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Manny's going to drop this episode.
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And I don't want readers to learn things by listening to the
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podcast that they didn't know yet.
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Anyway. It's just been the type of here
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when like a lot of our really big and core players have had to
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step out. And so there's been a lot of
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shake UPS, which I mean, you to be fair, we've always been a
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little bit slower on getting OTC because that's our goal is we're
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all taking our time and we'd rather have fun together.
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And but this, this season, both mostly just like real life stuff
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has consistently gotten to people and that's OK.
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We just want to have fun together and play together.
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And we love you guys. And if you're listening and
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you're one of the people who is not playing right now, we miss
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you, but it's OK. You're going to be fine and
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you'll come back and we'll still love you.
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Do you guys raid Monday nights for Prague?
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So Monday nights are our like tea like community night.
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So we very specifically will not Prague on a Monday because
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they're not required nights for our Raiders.
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So right now, for example, we're doing normal re clears on Monday
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nights to get people a little bit of catch up gear but not
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touching Prague. In very, very instances we will
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progress on a Monday. So for example, last year when
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Thursday's kept being holidays, we eventually made a call to do
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like, I think it was like one night of Monday Prague just so
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that we wouldn't get so many nights of Prague off in a row.
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But the point of the Guild is supposed to be like we are for
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people who are only really able to make one night a week of
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writing who need that, like, you know, strong commitment, but
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can't guarantee anything else. And it would really, really suck
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to join a team that says we're here for adults who, you know,
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have a limited amount of rating time and then have to see
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everyone celebrate the fact they got AOTC or they get, they
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killed a big boss and they got to have that really big event on
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a night that you weren't available because we told you
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didn't have to be available. Yeah, I like that.
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That's a good. I like that you stick to that.
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That's a good ethos. Timbermont Tavern, the best AOTC
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Guild NA question mark. Thank you.
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I like, I like the group, obviously, I think that we're I
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think we're the best group. We're, we're really just here to
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have fun with our buddies and I think that that's important to
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have fun with your buddies. I agree 100%.
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OK, I, I still don't know where I land on this.
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Then Lex I, I like the idea that they're delaying it because it's
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not ready and it gives and they're not pushing the devs to
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crunch to get it ready. That doesn't feel great, but it
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feels better than they thought that they're dragging it out
20:38
because there's very little to do outside of these events and
20:42
so they're trying to make the patch feel more full.
20:48
I'm really only looking forward to Horrific Visions because I
20:50
have such rose tinted nostalgia glasses tied to them from BFA.
20:56
And I'll do the Nightfall campaign stuff because that
20:58
trans mug, that white Arathi trans mug is just gorgeous.
21:02
But I don't like the delay for that respect.
21:07
And I'm not super interested to actually duos.
21:09
I don't know, I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.
21:12
I'm OK with it. I think it's all right, but I'm
21:16
a little bit not upset, but I'm a little bit bummed out that
21:19
it's not all coming at once. I like actually, you know what?
21:23
I don't even know that this is true.
21:24
I'm going to say a thing about myself that might not be true.
21:27
I'm going to give you 2 examples.
21:28
I like to me the the ability to choose and and put together my
21:32
own enjoyment. I like buffets.
21:34
I go to a buffet, I get a little bit of general sauce chicken, I
21:38
get a little bit of chicken fried rice.
21:40
I get a little bit of sweet and sour chicken balls.
21:42
Big fan of chicken and I like that I can make my own meal.
21:47
But I also am this the kind of person who when I cue my key up
21:53
for a dungeon Finder and the cue fills up immediately, I get
21:58
crippled with indecision on who to take.
22:01
And a lot of times I'll just delist, delist, I'll relist, and
22:05
then I'll just invite the first 3.
22:08
So I guess maybe I don't know what I want.
22:10
Lex. I am.
22:11
I'm complex, I guess, is what I'm what I'm saying.
22:14
Yeah. I mean, I think the other thing,
22:16
and this is very personal to me and World of Warcraft should not
22:18
make decisions based on me. I mean, they should obviously
22:21
the game should be tailored to me, Fast F but they technically
22:24
have like what? Like millions of other players,
22:26
like I don't know, which I guess they have to worry about too.
22:29
So with that in mind, I'm kind of looking at this and I'm
22:32
trying to also be honest with myself about who I am as a
22:35
person. And I'm realizing that I am
22:38
excited about Horrific Visions because I like, I'm a solo
22:41
player. Especially this season, I've
22:42
really been enjoying being able to do things at my own pace, on
22:44
my own time with my own things. But come May 20th, I'm probably
22:52
going to be like raid logging at best.
22:56
And I probably am not going to care enough about horrific
22:58
Visions. Like I'm probably going to do
23:00
like 1 so I can come on the podcast and talk about it and
23:02
pretend that I'm good at podcasting.
23:05
But it's probably not going to be easy to keep me.
23:09
I mean, like, I guess, unless I do genuinely need the gear, But
23:12
if I'm geared up enough that that's not going to be super
23:14
helpful and or we're either done with AOTC or close enough to
23:19
done with AOTC that like it's hard for me to motivate myself
23:22
to gear. I'm not really going to be
23:25
getting on for horrific vision. So selfishly, I'm actually, the
23:28
more I'm looking at this, the sadder I'm getting because I
23:32
would really, I almost wish that it was switched for me
23:36
personally, I understand why this order.
23:38
Well, I mean, but again, if, if, if we're doing the horrific
23:41
vision, like heroic gear is going to be so much less on May
23:44
20th than April 22nd. So I do kind of wish it was
23:46
switched. I do kind of wish that it was
23:48
like you got the horrific visions.
23:50
You get the gear catch up when you need the gear catch up.
23:54
Then after a month of that, then you get the story quest for the
23:58
people who are really excited about story, and then you get
24:01
into your dash really duos. You get another, you know,
24:05
reason to get go in and and go with your friends and do gear
24:08
and and and fight those. I think that has gear as well.
24:12
I should know this, but like you, you get that additional
24:15
like so, so it's not like story campaign which made like if that
24:24
draws you and that draws you in, But if you're a gameplay person,
24:26
at least it feels like it's, it's, it's back loaded if you're
24:30
in it for the rewards. And so I, I, I don't know, this
24:35
is probably selfish, but I, I, I kind of wish that they'd
24:37
switched to horrific vision in nightfall.
24:39
You know what, I just realized? I agree with you.
24:41
I think that I I'm, but it's also because I want horrific
24:44
vision. So great podcasting here today,
24:48
folks. The radio is amazing.
24:50
I just realized I'm reading through this blue post.
24:53
I, I want to talk with the cooler manager a little bit
24:55
specifically because of your use of tell Me When, but there's no
25:00
mention in here of dinars. We're talking about her using
25:03
her horrific visions as a catch up mechanic.
25:05
They told us the dinars or bullions, whichever you first
25:09
experienced them, are coming back in this patch, but there's
25:12
no mention in here of when or how you get them.
25:17
So this is for the people at home.
25:20
I just want to make sure that they understand what's going on.
25:21
I certainly haven't forgotten anything.
25:23
Can you remind the people at home with the?
25:25
Yeah, no, that's a great point. I definitely want to remind the
25:28
people at home. So in previous previous patches
25:32
in Dragonflight and the war within, they are they had a an
25:36
item in the raid called it. It was called the dinar.
25:38
I think the Dragonflight. And you would be able to
25:40
specifically purchase a targeted item from the raid that you
25:44
could upgrade 12 ranks up to the Max of mythic mythic track
25:48
upgrades. And they were initially on the
25:51
renowned track this tier coming into this tier, but they removed
25:55
them from the renowned track and said they were going to put them
25:57
back in a later date. I assumed 11 point 1.5 was that
26:01
later date, but there's no mention of them here.
26:04
What are we doing? These are like there are people
26:10
who there's obviously rare items in this raid, rare drops people
26:12
want. We need these dinars.
26:15
To get some of those. Items from people.
26:17
Well, and the whole issue. In the beginning was that like
26:19
people were saying, well, it's too early first thing because
26:23
they were putting them in? It was Week 17, yeah.
26:26
We're approaching them that I mentioned.
26:28
Here, I need one SEC. I have to let Shadow out.
26:30
She's losing it. I love that for you.
26:33
One hour. Later.
26:36
OK, I'm back. Welcome back.
26:38
She was I. Almost wanted to tell you this.
26:39
We were in the middle of having a conversation.
26:42
There was one point when you were talking that she was like
26:43
rolling around behind you and I could just see her little legs
26:45
kicking. She's a very good girl.
26:48
I love it. Yeah, so they it was week 17.
26:51
They were initially on the week 17 track.
26:55
What it like this has like they have to come April 22nd, right
26:59
One word I mean. Or they've just kind of decided
27:02
not to do it. Oh man, I.
27:06
That would I feel like that's. I don't know if there's news we.
27:11
Missed listeners, if you're out there, if you if there's
27:13
something we missed and they mentioned Dina somewhere, please
27:16
jump over to bit dot LY slash faz discord and we'll let us
27:20
know because I don't think I have missed anything.
27:24
Pushing this later and. Later into this, we know this
27:26
season's only going to last six months Max.
27:29
We're already at the three month mark.
27:30
April 22nd is like the three month mark.
27:33
We're not getting the heroic catch up gear until a month
27:37
later. So that's four months in and now
27:41
I think that's right. Am I?
27:42
Am I right there? The race started March, March,
27:49
April. Wait, no, I'm way off.
27:54
How fast is Patch coming? This is 6.
27:58
Weeks, no wait. April The.
28:02
The race started the started the started the patch started the
28:05
beginning of March, right? Well.
28:08
Yeah, 'cause you've only been off.
28:09
Race world first for like because.
28:12
The. Race ended March. 15th and it
28:14
took 12 days, so the patch must have launched like March.
28:19
Third. Yeah, if it took 12 days. 4th
28:22
March. 4th was the launch of the patch, OK.
28:25
And then the race ended March 15th.
28:27
So March 4th to April 4th is one month and then 22nd is Yeah.
28:32
So we're six weeks, six weeks at in.
28:35
This is coming really fast, right?
28:38
Yeah. This this like season is so
28:42
funky for me that it's hard for me to like vibe feel how it
28:45
would vibe with other patches, like in terms of time, right.
28:49
I'm not really sure where I should be or where I I usually
28:53
would be at this point. I don't like it both feels like
28:55
the season's been going on forever and also like it just
28:58
started and the world is confusing and nothing makes
29:01
sense. So that's seven weeks.
29:03
I just. Counted it out so that the
29:05
listeners at home we're going. My God Sean is so bad at math I
29:08
can't believe he used to fix missiles. 7 weeks and we know
29:13
that the patch is not going to be any more than six months.
29:16
I actually expected the .5 at like the three month mark as
29:19
opposed to a month and 1/2 in. So we're going to get a .7.
29:24
OK, maybe I'm overreacting. Well, but.
29:28
I can I. I feel like if they had no well,
29:30
so now suddenly I'm feeling like I I'm pushing for more content
29:33
because like like faster, which usually I don't do, but I can't
29:37
imagine zero additional content for another full month, right.
29:42
Well, we're getting. Yeah.
29:43
So the yeah, what I'm, what I'm. Saying is like if they had done
29:47
the .5 at three months, at three months, yeah, another.
29:49
Yeah, an extra month of nothing new coming in would be wild.
29:53
It It does. You know how that thing happens
29:56
as you get older? I mean, you might not know this
29:57
because you're still. No.
29:59
Yeah. And.
29:59
Time, but yeah, when you get older and I'm.
30:01
Like constricted, like I'm at the point now where it's like a
30:04
year takes about an hour and a half.
30:05
It's very quick. I'm like that right now.
30:09
Where? I could use some years to pass
30:10
real quick, real fast, yeah. I'll just have a quick nap.
30:15
I wake up, it'll be great. Yeah, that's OK.
30:21
I didn't realize how. My I heard. .5 in my brain
30:26
instantly thought OK this is the patch is 3 three months old now,
30:30
but it's so I guess I guess. Then they are giving the
30:32
horrific visions at about the three month mark, so about
30:34
halfway through, which I guess is reasonable for a catch up
30:37
mechanic. And to be fair, I've usually
30:40
never really used the catch up mechanics so I don't know why I
30:42
was surprised like I was it. It would be nice for the catch
30:45
up mechanics to be sooner, but there's an argument to be said
30:48
that they have never really been for me.
30:49
So maybe it's not surprising that they're also not for me
30:52
this season. Not everything.
30:55
It's forever. This is a real roller coaster.
30:56
I'm. I'm shifting to I'm good with
30:58
this. If anything, it feels like
31:00
they're bumping the patch up earlier just to push the story
31:04
content out so that people have story to do, and I'm good with
31:08
that. I want the people who are only
31:10
mainly story players to have stuff to do more frequently, and
31:14
then they're pushing the rest of the stuff down the line a little
31:16
bit. OK, I'm OK with it.
31:17
Lex, we we got there. There we go.
31:20
I still want the. The what is wrong with me?
31:27
I still would like the horrific visions to be sooner, selfishly,
31:32
because I think it would be fun to have more heroic gear, is the
31:35
sentence that I was trying to say while my brain short
31:38
circuited for a second there. That's good.
31:40
I like I. I mean, I would get behind that.
31:42
I just want horrific visions to me.
31:44
But I mean again I. Rarely benefit from the gear
31:47
catch up mechanics because of the pace that I usually play at
31:50
and so. Congratulations, I'm once again.
31:54
Not the target audience of the gear catch up mechanics.
31:57
We're fine, No. Does that feel?
31:58
Do you get that feeling a lot like we'll be on the show
32:00
talking about stuff and I'm just like, I don't like none of this
32:05
is aimed at me. Like what a part of this game is
32:07
made for me. Like is it just Mythic plus and
32:09
rates like is? Yeah, I.
32:12
I mean. I think, well, it is it.
32:15
Is also one of the big you know. Existential questions.
32:20
That I've been asking myself as more content has come out like
32:23
more options have come out for how to play because like some
32:26
things I know for example, I know I'm not a collector, I know
32:29
I will do nothing to grind ever in my life.
32:33
Obviously I know that my my primary focus is rating, but.
32:38
It as there's. More options.
32:40
It feels like there's more ways to sort of subdivide because it
32:44
used to just be by and large that you're either doing like
32:49
you're either here for the open world collection, you're kind of
32:52
here for the story or like, or you're here for the like push,
32:57
right? And I feel like now there's so
32:59
many different ways to engage with the game, which is great
33:01
and wonderful, but does mean that we I feel like we're
33:03
constantly having this conversation on this podcast of
33:05
like, oh, well, I don't like this, but it's not because it's
33:07
not made. Maybe it's mostly me.
33:08
You and Manny know what you're good at, but like, you know, do
33:12
I dislike this because it's not for me?
33:14
Or do I dislike this because it's poorly made and I am the
33:17
target audience and they're just not giving the target audience
33:19
what they want? Which means it's a good problem
33:23
to. Have to, you know, have so many
33:24
things to do that you feel like you can define yourself in
33:27
multiple ways. But so glad I'm not.
33:29
A dev Can you imagine trying to make this game for what?
33:33
15,000,000 people play? 10 million people play?
33:36
Everybody wants something slightly different, but sort of
33:39
the same and trying to find ways to keep everyone engaged and
33:45
happy and balance at all and content for you and content for
33:51
you and this contents for you and they can't come out and say,
33:54
you know, hey, high end Raiders, this isn't for you.
33:56
So stop giving us your feedback. We don't care, I just should.
34:01
I think if the devs are going to listen to player feedback more,
34:03
they also have to be meaner to us.
34:05
They have to occasionally say I need you to shut your stupid
34:08
little mouth. It's not about you, not
34:09
everything. It's about you, you whiny little
34:11
child. Mostly to me.
34:12
They should say that to me every time I whine about Delves.
34:14
I want Fazdev to get a a, you know, a Direct Line into the
34:19
podcast with it'll like do a little voice garble so you don't
34:22
learn who Fazdev is, but so Fazdev can just say Lex, you
34:25
little idiot, this Delve thing is not about you.
34:28
Shut up and go do your stupid, right?
34:30
Yeah, we need we definitely. Need a Deep Throat and like the
34:34
facial scrambler for Fasdev. I would have Fasdev on this show
34:38
so far, like once a week. We're going to check in with
34:40
Fasdev. Fasdev, do you have any comments
34:43
like in rebuttal to things we said in last week's episode?
34:46
And then just get like a one sentence or one or two sentence
34:49
reply from Fasdev Like Sean, you really ought to touch.
34:52
The rate is wildly popular. Yeah, I think that'll be great.
34:57
And I think that happened to everybody, everybody.
35:00
I think that occasionally devs need to go on the forums when
35:04
everyone's yelling at them and be like, have you considered
35:07
that maybe like it's, it's like the the interview where the dev
35:12
was asked about doing more support classes, more bus
35:18
classes, and he was like. I don't think you guys actually
35:22
want. Them because you keep bothering
35:24
us about it, but then every time we deal with an everything with
35:26
augmentation you hate. So I think that you don't
35:29
actually want these and you just want to yell at me for not doing
35:31
them. He didn't say it like that.
35:32
He said it more professionally, but I think they should say it
35:34
like that. I think they should just tell us
35:36
when we're being idiots. Dude, we should.
35:38
Totally. Just start doing a bit where we
35:40
have a garbled man. We just get like random.
35:44
Yeah, just. Random friends to do it.
35:46
That'll be great. Manny, we're going to pitch
35:48
this. Yeah, when you're listening to
35:49
this as you edit it. So we're going to pitch this to
35:51
you right now. Yeah.
35:53
Let's make it happen or fast dev, if you're listening and you
35:55
want to just every week send a recording in we'll garble the
35:59
audio so we can't like we'll put a voice modulator on it so we
36:01
can't tell it to you No here just.
36:04
Here's what I'm thinking. Here's what I'm thinking.
36:05
We start out pulling random friends in to do the little
36:08
voice garbly thing and then be like, and so it'll become the
36:11
bit right, like, and everyone's like maybe trying to guess which
36:13
one of our friends it is. And then it can actually become
36:16
Fasdev. Like Fasdev can reach out to us
36:18
and be like, I think I'm protected enough now that I
36:20
could come in and just start and everyone be like, oh, it's that
36:24
shit again. Fasdev this week.
36:27
Like it'll be great. Fasdev.
36:28
Come on, let's do it. Yeah.
36:30
We're setting that up. We'll get like a an e-mail that
36:33
fasdev to admit this and this stuff too.
36:35
This is great. We're making this happen.
36:37
This is going to be awesome. Fascinating.
36:39
Right now is like I am not ever going to do that.
36:43
These two are so unhinged. I wanted to talk about
36:47
corruptions Lex because they're not very impressive right now,
36:50
but we got like 6 weeks before they come out so I'm going to
36:54
wait for tuning. I think right now as they stand,
36:57
corruptions are doing less than 1% damage with exception of 1
37:01
Sean. Are you saying that you have
37:03
limited information on something and you're not going to do a
37:07
snap judgement and get yourself angry about something you don't
37:10
really know about? Because I think you you need to
37:12
think deeply about this. Because if you say yes, you do
37:14
have to delete your account. Because you're not.
37:18
You can't be a World of Warcraft player.
37:20
OK, no, good point. Good point.
37:21
So instead I'm going to say Blizzard ruined corruptions.
37:26
They're a garbage enchant for garbage players.
37:31
Please fix this now. You're killing my game.
37:32
OK. Yeah, yeah.
37:34
That's what I want to. Say actually, yeah, we're going
37:35
to do that. Good.
37:36
OK, good. You can.
37:37
You you're safe. You can keep your account for
37:38
another week That was close. I almost had to delete my
37:41
Twitter. Oh no.
37:43
Oh, Lord. Well, you know, yeah.
37:46
For SO for seriousness. For reals.
37:50
And they are. Corruption in BFA was wildly
37:54
powerful twilight but it's because you could stack them so
37:57
you would run like 9 ranks of twilight devastation on a tank
38:01
and at the time twilight devastations damage was based on
38:04
your maximum HP. So on a blood death like this
38:06
was literally deleting mobs if it propped.
38:09
They've changed how it works. It no longer functions that way.
38:11
It's now just a space damage proc.
38:14
Same for all people. And that one in Infinite Stars
38:18
and all of them, which all had these fun interactions that we
38:20
had to like Min Max with the corruptions on the cloak and the
38:23
insanity. And they go, OK, you're going to
38:25
get bad things that happen to you, but you're going to get
38:27
wildly powerful, you know, infinite cosmic power, anybody
38:31
living space, these kinds of things.
38:34
But they've sort of. Normalized at.
38:37
All people are like not super happy about it.
38:40
We're going to wait. I'll wait and see how the tuning
38:41
shakes out. But as it stands right now,
38:45
corruptions are only coming back in name.
38:48
They're not coming back in the way they were in BFA.
38:52
And that's, I also want to point out everybody who voted for the
38:55
for Eric Cara for their dungeon because they think Sacre is
38:57
awesome, they're going to do the same thing to that trinket.
39:00
It's going to get nerfed, you morons.
39:03
Yeah. Anyway, we have to be angry.
39:08
About something. That's my thing.
39:10
That's my. That is my thing.
39:11
Nobody actually likes that last boss unless you're a paladin.
39:14
The only ballot is like that last.
39:16
Yeah, maybe I just. Honestly honestly based on this
39:20
list with Arakara and Operation floodgate be Oh sorry.
39:25
For those of you who don't know, we got to season 3 mythic plus
39:27
voting and the top four were Arakara in order were Arakara,
39:32
Operation floodgate, Priory of the sacred flame and dawn
39:34
breaker and Arakara and operation floodgate.
39:37
Arakara was the one that stopped me doing M plus for the first
39:41
season. Like a really bad Arakara poll
39:43
is the reason that I stopped doing with A plus, and a really
39:46
bad Operation Floodgate was the reason that I stopped doing
39:48
Mythic plus this season. So I'm glad you all are going to
39:51
have fun. I might be sitting season 3 out
39:53
of them as well. Or you'll get good.
39:57
Or maybe yeah. Anyway, I hope you enjoy your
39:59
nerf sack brood. It would be so cute of Blizzard
40:04
if they just did not bring that ticket back.
40:07
Like if they were like just for fun, if they were like, hey
40:09
guys, we're bringing that impact our car.
40:11
But we did decide not to put Sackbird in or just not tell
40:15
people and just make it like a 0%, like a .0001% drop rate.
40:19
Yeah, I think fast apps, this is the best idea I've ever had.
40:22
I think you need to bully people more.
40:24
And I think you need to put the drop rate of fat food to like,
40:26
virtually zero. Yeah.
40:27
Or nerve like. Shouldn't make it so laughably
40:29
bad that nobody would use it. Just nerve it right into the
40:32
ground so everybody can enjoy their their casserole of
40:35
nonsense. That is the last boss, and that
40:37
does. I think that would be.
40:41
The biggest way both of those work for me as as somebody who
40:44
stopped doing Mythic Plus last season because I hated Arakara
40:47
so much, for me makes fact word nothing.
40:54
That's it, Lex. I got nothing.
40:55
Else it was a quiet week I. Think so?
40:59
Maybe next week the world's going to explode.
41:02
I. Hope not the World of Warcraft.
41:05
Specifically the other worlds. I mean that I mean.
41:07
You never know, but we won't get into that.
41:11
Here it might explode or. Maybe we'll get a 90 day stay of
41:14
execution before they have explode.
41:16
Yeah, we'll, we'll. The the.
41:19
Kickback Cam. Right down the road.
41:22
Such fun but. Yeah, we'll and and next week
41:27
will be one week away from less than a week away from the fun
41:32
new story. So we'll get to I want to be a
41:35
Nerubian. OK, so my list of desired races
41:41
in order number one is Murloc. By like a by like.
41:46
A really large amount. Like there's, there's there's a
41:48
massive gap between murloc and everything else.
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I'm going to say I want murloc more than I've ever wanted
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anything in my life. I the day that they actually do
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drop a murloc race, I will be bawling on the floor with joy
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like I need you all to understand this will be the best
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day of my entire life. So murloc, I think that's.
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Going to happen, but OK, yeah, everyone says.
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That, but they should. I don't understand why they
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wouldn't because they have all of this lore and they have all.
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The murloc is like the sign of World of Warcraft.
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Like you have the like little dancing murloc.
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That's everything I have. The murlocs are huge in World of
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Warcraft and I can't even play as one.
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Like and genuinely the amount of war they have and the amount of
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they could just bring, they could have such a cool, they
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could put so much. They could have an entire
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expansion. It's like the murlocs expansion.
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We get to being murlocs and everyone would want to be a
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murlocs because murlocs are super cool and we'd make our
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little noises and you could make so many cute little jokes off of
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it. You could even do like a like a
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coza cola, like a coja thing where like as they're delving
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into the world, this meant that like more intelligence went to
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more races and the Murlocs were one of them.
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It would be so sick. It would be so sick but I
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regret. Telling you that I don't think
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it will happen so. Number one race that I want is
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Murloc. After that I would say Nurubian
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then, not a an ascended. Nurubian.
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Or do you want creepy spider and Rubian?
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Creepy spider? Well.
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Let's say we have options if you little weirdos want your little
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weird good things. But I want to be a creepy
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spider. I want to be the big.
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I want to be the big guy, big, like tanky guy.
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That's what I want. That's exactly where I want to
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play. Yeah, I don't want to.
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Tell you that I don't think that will happen, but I think the
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likelihood of playable Nerubians in the insect form is a boat as
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high as playable murloc. OK, so.
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Basically 100 and I would like to say, as I said this, I
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realized, I think I, I don't even know if I thought this or
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if I said this out loud, but I said Nerubian Zendaga.
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That's not true at all. It's Nerubian Zen Cobalts, which
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might actually happen because they do seem to be setting them
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up like they could be a playable race, which is ridiculous
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because Cobalts have been in the game and as beloved about to the
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same degree as murlocs. Except Cobalts aren't a sign of
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everything World of Warcraft. So I think that it should be
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murlocs first. What are your race desires?
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I would like to. See, I would, I don't know how
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reasonable it is, but I would do Knowles.
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That's mostly just because I want to make a dog person.
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Not a would be cool. Not a would be cool and actually
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I fox with the Nerubians, but I would want it to be the ascended
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Nerubians. I'm not on the ethereal
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bandwagon. I was like, Oh my God, I want to
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be a an arcane or avoid mummy. It's going to be so great.
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They look the same. No offense if you like exactly,
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I like different color. Bandages and my insides glow
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differently. That's it.
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I have like 6 choices. Great.
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Yeah, No, I would. And then you put on armor and
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you don't see anything anyway. It's all just gone.
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You know how you would? Absolutely.
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See the customizations that you have is if you had an option to
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be the giant bug nerubian like the big boy or like the like
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skinny little cast or or the like.
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If if you could choose the body type of your Nerubian like that,
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do you have any idea how much of AW that would be?
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You'd have so many trans buck options.
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Yeah, OK. All right, I'm in.
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Let's do never yes? After murlocs, murlocs first
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fast up, I need this so bad. I need you guys to understand
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like this has been my life goal for basically the entire time
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I've played World of Warcraft just to play as a moral.
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And I know what you guys are going to say.
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I know somebody's going to get at bit dot LY slash fast discord
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and tell me, oh, but there's toys, there's toys.
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I don't want a toy. I want to beat a murloc forever
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and ever and I never want that to change all.
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Right, folks. Why don't you let us know what?
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Races you would like to see his label characters in the World of
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Warcraft. For the love of God nobody
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coming to that discord and tell like she's not getting murlocs.
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Until next time. May all your hits be grits.