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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: UPDATE! Mass killer, Serial killer, Hired Hitman: Damien McDaniel - 18 Dead in 14 Months · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bodybags, but Joseph's gotten more. I gotta tell you, I
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Speaker 1: really did not think I was going to be coming
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Speaker 1: back to this case this soon. And for further reference,
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Speaker 1: I direct you to our April sixteenth episode of Body
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Speaker 1: Backs for the initial the initial conversation that we had
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Speaker 1: about the topic at hand. The reason that I did
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Speaker 1: not think I would be returning to this topic was
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Speaker 1: because we had a unique from a crump Son standpoint,
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Speaker 1: a unique event happened in Birmingham. We wound up having
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Speaker 1: a serial killer, slash mass shooter. I've never heard of
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Speaker 1: this before. It just popped onto my radar. We had
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Speaker 1: fourteen people that well, my friends, there's an update, and
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Speaker 1: I aim to give it to you right now, and
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Speaker 1: you're not going.
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Speaker 2: To believe it.
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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks, Damon McDaniel.
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Speaker 1: We've already spent quite a bit of time talking about
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Speaker 1: this person and Dave, by my count, at that time,
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Speaker 1: he was responsible for fourteen homicides that could be laid
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Speaker 1: at his feet, along with a myriad of other crimes
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Speaker 1: involving people that were injured as a result of his
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Speaker 1: shooting spreeze. And today I don't know. I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: My day's all run together. I can't remember what day
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Speaker 1: it was, but I sent you an article maybe three
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Speaker 1: days ago, four days ago. He's I hate to use
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Speaker 1: the word credited, but he has now been credited with
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Speaker 1: four more homicides. Dave, is this going to end? Can
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Speaker 1: you give me some hope here that there's not going
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Speaker 1: to be more. I have to think that this person
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Speaker 1: is responsible for a goodly percentage of Birmingham's homicides. If
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Speaker 1: he was not in the population, Birmingham's homicide body count
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Speaker 1: would not be as high as it is. And when
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Speaker 1: I say, you know, there's a term you use in
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Speaker 1: statistics when you're studying them in college and that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing, and it's called when you talk about something
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Speaker 1: an anomaly or of finding that you have during research,
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Speaker 1: you say that it's statistically significant. This is statistically significant
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Speaker 1: when taking the broad view of Birmingham, Alabama and the
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Speaker 1: homicides that they have in that fair city.
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Speaker 3: But you got to figure the reason we did the
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Speaker 3: show a month ago was because Damian McDaniel was responsible
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Speaker 3: for fourteen murders in fourteen months, allegedly, and we hadn't
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Speaker 3: heard anything about it outside of our area. And since
3:22
Speaker 3: both of you, you and I both work on national
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Speaker 3: shows on a regular basis, it's odd that a story
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Speaker 3: like this doesn't gain some traction somewhere. We have a
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Speaker 3: number of cases of deaths around Lady Bird Lake in Austin, Texas,
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Speaker 3: and we've done shows on that. But this there was
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Speaker 3: fourteen and fourteen months and now four weeks after, we're
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Speaker 3: doing a show because four new victims have been added
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Speaker 3: to the count for Damian McDaniel, and in one end, sadly, yeah, sadly,
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Speaker 3: one is an unborn child, Angelia Webster, Christian Norris and
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Speaker 3: the couple's unborn child and another man named Reginald Bryant
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Speaker 3: have been added to the list of alleged victims of
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Speaker 3: Damian McDaniel. Sadly, I don't think we're going to even
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Speaker 3: stop there, Joe. I think there's more.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking, you know, I
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Speaker 1: guess you when you begin to kind of explore this
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Speaker 1: idea of this mismatch and listen, I urge anybody to
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Speaker 1: reach out to me if they've ever heard of a
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Speaker 1: combo like this, because I haven't. I have not come
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Speaker 1: across a combo where you've got serialized homicides and that
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Speaker 1: means that they take place on different dates. First off,
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Speaker 1: you have to have I think it's three or more
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Speaker 1: to qualify to be a serial killer. Our man hits
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Speaker 1: the jackpot because now he stands at eighteen and in
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Speaker 1: concert with that, he's been involved in mass shootings. It's
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Speaker 1: a real head scratcher, you know. I would I'd love
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Speaker 1: to know what you know from the Behavioral Sciences Unit
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Speaker 1: at the FBI. I'd love to know if they've studied
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Speaker 1: anything like this before, you know, and I would imagine
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Speaker 1: that it has happened. It's not something that happens on
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Speaker 1: Serial killing is not something that happens on a regular basis.
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Speaker 1: I know everybody thinks that it does. But the reason
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Speaker 1: it splash is so big is because they're not caught
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Speaker 1: as often as people think they are. But in this case,
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Speaker 1: I think that the police, the investigators have done Yeoman's
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Speaker 1: work in kind of connecting the dots with him movements
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Speaker 1: and the movements of I think he's got colleagues that
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Speaker 1: are involved in this as well that have Yeah, colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Right that kind of hit that that hit me the
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Speaker 2: wrong way.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Wow, Well, compatriots, I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 1: know fellow desperadoes. I don't know how we could how
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Speaker 1: we could class for it.
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Speaker 2: I just try to figure out.
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Speaker 3: You have mass killers and you have serial killers, and
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Speaker 3: then you have other homicides. But when I look at
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Speaker 3: this Joe and it's just me, I think of a
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Speaker 3: mass killer as somebody who comes into a specific area
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Speaker 3: and shoots up the joint or kills a number of
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Speaker 3: people in a very short window and leaves or takes
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Speaker 3: their own life, whereas a serial killer is somebody who
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Speaker 3: is hunting and can take several years, as we've seen
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Speaker 3: in many cases where they change up the mo even
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Speaker 3: you know, they kill one way for a while and
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Speaker 3: then go away and come back and do it differently.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they could. There's there's some there's some indication out
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Speaker 1: there that there's some people think that there's an attempt
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Speaker 1: to I don't know too behave the way another previous
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Speaker 1: serial killer has this kind of masking that goes on,
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Speaker 1: And I don't think that these people can really extend
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Speaker 1: that far out to change their ways. They get very
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Speaker 1: comfortable with it. Oh and by the way, I want
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Speaker 1: to tell you this, I'm going to throw something out
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Speaker 1: to you here that you may not have heard this
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Speaker 1: term before, and it might apply to this guy. I
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Speaker 1: used the word comfortable just a second ago. Did you
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Speaker 1: know that there are within there's multiple different type typologies
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Speaker 1: of serial killers. Okay, the biggest dividing line is that
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Speaker 1: they use okay, is going to be organized versus disorganized.
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Speaker 1: And then it kind of drops down, you know, from
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Speaker 1: there and kind of a pyramid shape, and you know,
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Speaker 1: you've got these little lines there extending maybe think of
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Speaker 1: I don't know, if pyramid doesn't work for you, think
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Speaker 1: of a Venn diagram. Here, here's the term comfort killer.
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Speaker 1: Comfort killer. The reason I'm saying that these are people
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Speaker 1: that have a financial motivation. So you can take somebody
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Speaker 1: that is like a professional hit man, all right, I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about the fellow they just called him the Iceman
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Speaker 1: that there's been several documentaries done on him that killed
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Speaker 1: multiple people, alleged that he had killed I think he
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Speaker 1: even alleged that he had something to do with Haffa.
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Speaker 1: Who knows. But he got paid for doing what he
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Speaker 1: was doing and led a normal life. I mean, he
8:52
Speaker 1: take his family to church every Sunday. You know, he
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Speaker 1: was a doting father, but on the side he's out,
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Speaker 1: you know, ending people's lives. So is this an example,
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Speaker 1: a subcategory example of a comfort killer who is who
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Speaker 1: is receiving payment for what he's doing. And that was
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Speaker 1: actually in our previous episode we had talked about this
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Speaker 1: that if you think you if you think you hated
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Speaker 1: the term colleague, let me throw this out to you
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Speaker 1: that his services were engaged by somebody out there that's
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Speaker 1: pulling the strings on this. And I have to assume
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Speaker 1: that the police know who this person is because if
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Speaker 1: this individual, this damon McDaniel, is being paid to end
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Speaker 1: people's lives as horrific as what he has done, If
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Speaker 1: he is being paid to do this, day you realize
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Speaker 1: that the person doing the pain is the one that
10:01
Speaker 1: might wind up with what do we use in Alabama
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Speaker 1: now the nitrogen mask over their head. In this particular case,
10:11
Speaker 1: you say, the needle in the arm, or is going
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Speaker 1: to be sitting in the chair to have the switch thrown.
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Speaker 1: That person might bear more responsibility than anybody else in
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Speaker 1: this because I can't you know, I can't think of
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Speaker 1: anybody what would be the motivation, you know, behind doing
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Speaker 1: this and ending so many lives in such a bold fashion.
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Speaker 1: It's not like he did it in a vacuum. You know.
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Speaker 1: You think back to you know, bt K, who was
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Speaker 1: highly organized, highly organized serial killer, and he really took
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Speaker 1: his time. He was a true hunter, and he would
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Speaker 1: case the houses. He would you know, watch the movements
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Speaker 1: of individuals. He would follow them, and he would wait
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Speaker 1: and spring at the last moment, uh, you know. And
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Speaker 1: that's generally one of the main things that I think
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Speaker 1: I was kind of a template. I'm sorry to meet
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Speaker 1: step Why would.
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Speaker 2: You say no?
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Speaker 3: He I just when I think of BTK, I think
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Speaker 3: of him being the average guy, you know, has a
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Speaker 3: position in the church, is well thought of in the community.
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Speaker 2: His own family doesn't know who he is.
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Speaker 3: I've seen interviews with his daughter and it was just,
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Speaker 3: wait a minute, my whole life was a lie, you know.
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Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned him and the planning and
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Speaker 3: the serialized killing and then him communicating with cops and
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Speaker 3: making it a game. It was almost a lifestyle choice
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Speaker 3: for him to be this kind of a serial killer.
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Speaker 3: Whereas with McDaniel and Birmingham we're looking at on the
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Speaker 3: one hand, you have a hired hitman. You know, you
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Speaker 3: give him a whatever money. I don't know what it
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Speaker 3: costs to have somebody killed. Usually you get caught because
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Speaker 3: the guy who got paid. When he gets got he
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Speaker 3: rolls over on you and saying you're the one that instigated.
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Speaker 3: They're going to get you two. But he was that guy.
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Speaker 3: But then we've also got him in a mass killings.
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Speaker 3: There's two I think, yes too.
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Speaker 1: Man social gatherings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, where he's just gonna off handedly.
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Speaker 3: Maybe there was one original target, but everybody else was
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Speaker 3: collateral damage.
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Speaker 2: And these are actual people's lives. These are people who.
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Speaker 3: Have moms, dad's children. I mean, they're living, breathing human beings.
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Speaker 3: This person decides to take money and get rid of them.
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Speaker 3: And the fact that he got away with it for
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Speaker 3: as long as he did, and now that he's behind bars, Joe,
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Speaker 3: they're able to you mentioned this before, you said, now
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Speaker 3: that he is behind bars, they're going to be able
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Speaker 3: to take their time investigating some of these other crimes
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Speaker 3: that he has suspected of being involved in. And that's
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Speaker 3: what they did. That's how you came up with Think
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Speaker 3: about it. Norris and Webster, Angelia Webster and Christian Norris.
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Speaker 3: You're talking about a couple an unborn child and the
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Speaker 3: last team I'm they're scene alive. It's on Valentine's Day.
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Speaker 3: They actually left a residence in Insley, which is if
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Speaker 3: you're driving through Birmingham, it's just right past the spaghetti junction,
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Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, and it's on the west side of town. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: And having driven in that area, I know this area.
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Speaker 3: I'm picturing it in my eyes, you know, I'm picturing
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Speaker 3: where they were. And they're going to go to the movies.
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Speaker 3: Right on their way to a movie theater, Joe, a
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Speaker 3: couple expecting a child go to the movies and they
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Speaker 3: don't come home.
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Speaker 2: Two days later, their past.
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Speaker 1: Around, Yeah, and they're they're in their car and people
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Speaker 1: were looking for them. Dave, I got to ask you this,
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Speaker 1: how many how many times on Valentine's Day did you
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Speaker 1: and le Donna go out for a meal, you know,
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Speaker 1: just to celebrate just the two of you when you
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Speaker 1: didn't have kids hanging all over you. I mean there
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Speaker 1: had to have been moments like no, because I remember
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Speaker 1: with with Kimmy, you know, we we we would go out,
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Speaker 1: we'd always make it a point to go out on
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Speaker 1: Valentine's And here you're celebrating. That's the thing about this,
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Speaker 1: you're celebrating new life here, all right, she's pregnant. She's pregnant,
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Speaker 1: all right, and this guy walks up on the car
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Speaker 1: we are assuming and blast away. What could these two
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Speaker 1: twenty year olds have done that they deserved the death penalty? Dave,
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Speaker 1: you know you mentioned you mentioned this young couple that
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Speaker 1: we're out going to a movie on Valentine's Day and
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Speaker 1: they run in to a buzzsaw essentially just ends their
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Speaker 1: life and the life of their unborn child. There's one
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Speaker 1: more individual that is that he Damon McDaniel has now
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Speaker 1: been charged with What do we know about that subject
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Speaker 1: at this point in tom We.
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Speaker 3: Know that one thing about McDaniel is that some of
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Speaker 3: the murders he's tied to, he had a compatriot, He
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Speaker 3: had somebody with him who was also involved in the murder,
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Speaker 3: and meaning he wasn't the sole killer. And there are
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Speaker 3: more people arrested. There's already a couple of the previous cases.
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Speaker 3: And in the murder of Reginald Bryant, he was killed
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Speaker 3: in the fall of twenty twenty three, who signs shot
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Speaker 3: to death in the back of a home and that
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Speaker 3: was in I'm trying to get the exactly is November
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Speaker 3: twenty seventh of twenty twenty three, and the police said
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Speaker 3: at the time, Joe, that it appeared that Bryant had
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Speaker 3: been targeted and approached by several suspects prior to the shooting,
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Speaker 3: and one or more of the suspects fired shots at him.
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Speaker 3: That's why when I said Damien Maxwell, actually, I mean
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Speaker 3: McDaniel actually has other people, you know, involved in some
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Speaker 3: of his murders. Lorenzo Wiley was charged with this as well.
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Speaker 3: He's a thirty year old guy from Fairfield. Both are
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Speaker 3: in custody. Obviously we know McDaniel is, but Wiley's in
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Speaker 3: jail two right now. And I don't know why Reginald
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Speaker 3: Bryant was in the radar of so many bad guys.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, this sounds like something out of a movie. Okay,
16:44
Speaker 3: this sounds like you've got to detectives downtown and we
16:47
Speaker 3: got a murder and we got twenty different people that
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Speaker 3: showed up to shoot him and who did I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's absolutely nuts. And you know,
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Speaker 1: we have to go back all the way to the
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Speaker 1: first when when was when was this individual Bryant? When
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Speaker 1: was he killed was November, because it was just back
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Speaker 1: in July of twenty twenty three, where uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: McDaniel pops onto the radar, where out of all the
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Speaker 1: people in the world, he walks into a fire station, Dave, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and shoots the place up, shoots one firefighter that survives.
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Speaker 1: He's been shot in the chest and the legs. But
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Speaker 1: you've got this other young man who's just come off
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Speaker 1: of probation and I don't mean probation like in a
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Speaker 1: negative way. He just graduates from fire academy. It had
17:43
Speaker 1: only been a firefighter for a total of a year
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Speaker 1: and that includes his training. Nice guy. It's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: if you go if you walk up to a firehouse
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Speaker 1: and you start shooting people, it's like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: it's like tearing the head off of flowers or you know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's the most it's the most disturbing thing in
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Speaker 1: that sense that what, what's your point here? Why why
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Speaker 1: in the world would you do this? Because there's no
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Speaker 1: justification for killing anybody. But you know, these two guys,
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Speaker 1: and we all know how hot it is in Birmingham.
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Speaker 1: They would leave those bay doors open and sit there
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Speaker 1: and they're big claim to fame there at this particular station.
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Speaker 1: They've got a lot of elderly people that live around there.
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Speaker 1: They would come in and get their sugar checked, if
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Speaker 1: they were diabetic, they'd get blood pressures taken, and they
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Speaker 1: probably just come by and just chat with these with
18:37
Speaker 1: these folks, they're part of the neighborhood. What would be
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Speaker 1: what would be the motivation for anybody to walk in
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Speaker 1: and want to to kill to kill two firefighters? And
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Speaker 1: that's how he starts out apparently, But I'm starting to
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Speaker 1: question everything at this point in time. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they were the first two now, you know, for
18:57
Speaker 1: all I know, there may be other people that pre
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Speaker 1: date that July event. I don't know. I don't have
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Speaker 1: any inside information. But now we've got another one that
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Speaker 1: had popped up with this gentleman that was shot in November, right,
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Speaker 1: November decent, November twenty twenty of twenty twenty three, and
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Speaker 1: he w wasn't on the radar initially. So how far
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Speaker 1: back does this go? You know, the further back we
19:23
Speaker 1: go with this thing, the more complex it gets. Because
19:26
Speaker 1: you know, initially, when you have events like this that
19:29
Speaker 1: happened and you're trying to establish a timeline you don't
19:34
Speaker 1: have you don't have the thirty thousand foot altitude view.
19:38
Speaker 1: At that point time, you're focused right there, in real
19:42
Speaker 1: time on the case that you have where you've got
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Speaker 1: these individuals at a firehouse that are shot and eventually
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Speaker 1: died a hospital. I don't you know, it's hard, it's
19:55
Speaker 1: really hard to kind of understand it from that perspective.
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Speaker 1: But once this starts to kick off and they start
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Speaker 1: having these random shootings, you begin to think, well, maybe
20:04
Speaker 1: these aren't as random as they could have been. One
20:08
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of fascinating about this again, there's so
20:12
Speaker 1: much that is But to that point, if he has
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Speaker 1: other I'll use term compadres that are involved with him
20:25
Speaker 1: in doing this, Dave, I wonder how many weapons are involved,
20:32
Speaker 1: because you know, with serialized events, it's rare that the
20:37
Speaker 1: serial killer strays very far from what they are very
20:41
Speaker 1: familiar with, Like if they're going to use a ligature,
20:45
Speaker 1: if they're going to use a knife, if they're going
20:48
Speaker 1: to use a hammer, for instance, there's been people who
20:50
Speaker 1: have been bludgeoned to death by serial killers, or if
20:54
Speaker 1: they're going to use a gun, you know, well, first off,
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Speaker 1: does he own that gun, Have they found the gun?
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Speaker 1: And even if they have, if you've got multiple other shooters,
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Speaker 1: have they recovered any of those weapons as well. This
21:13
Speaker 1: is going to be so complex to try to understand
21:17
Speaker 1: the forensics in this case because of all of the
21:21
Speaker 1: gunshot womens that are involved in this. And it's not
21:23
Speaker 1: just the dead. I have actually been to the hospital
21:32
Speaker 1: to retrieve projectiles that were actually retrieved during surgery on
21:39
Speaker 1: individuals that eventually died. We actually had a kind of
21:45
Speaker 1: a famous case in Atlanta where we had an individual
21:48
Speaker 1: that was shot multiple times and the surgeon extracted to
21:57
Speaker 1: projectiles out of the body, had them thrown away and incinerated,
22:02
Speaker 1: didn't retain them, and so there was an extensive amount
22:07
Speaker 1: of training that went on in the wake of that. Also,
22:10
Speaker 1: you know, you have to retain the clothes. So everything
22:13
Speaker 1: in here is so complex. You've got people that are
22:16
Speaker 1: going to hospitals, they have evidence on their bodies, they
22:20
Speaker 1: have bullets, projectiles that have been taken out of their bodies.
22:23
Speaker 1: You have clothing for instance, which many times when they're
22:27
Speaker 1: trying to save lives, Dave, they're just cutting it off
22:31
Speaker 1: and kind of throwing it on the ground. It's blood saturated,
22:34
Speaker 1: but still something that we can use because with the
22:36
Speaker 1: clothing you can determine range of fire. You know, if
22:39
Speaker 1: you're getting a story about what his activities were, say
22:42
Speaker 1: for instance, around or in one of these clubs, how
22:47
Speaker 1: close was he when he was firing the weapon or
22:49
Speaker 1: how close were these other individuals that are involved with him.
22:53
Speaker 1: And so this kicks us up to a level that
22:57
Speaker 1: I dare say that in their many years of working
23:02
Speaker 1: homicides in Birmingham, Alabama, I don't know that they've ever
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Speaker 1: come across something that is that extensive and this complex.
23:27
Speaker 1: So what we do know about McDaniel that those things
23:32
Speaker 1: that he has been involved with, where we now have
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Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen deceased individuals that are that he's been credited with,
23:44
Speaker 1: you have to go back and let's just kind of
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Speaker 1: revisit the timeline here just for a second. I'll run
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Speaker 1: it down. In July twenty twenty three, we have the
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Speaker 1: firefighters that are shot at the fire station with the
23:56
Speaker 1: bay doors open, and which you can imagine the whole
24:02
Speaker 1: community was shocked over this. I think anybody that would
24:05
Speaker 1: have heard about it would be shocked over it. Then
24:08
Speaker 1: you jump forward to November of twenty twenty three, and
24:14
Speaker 1: initially we had this event involving Reginald Bryant. Well, that
24:22
Speaker 1: case is credited to McDaniel as well. And McDaniel and
24:27
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Dave Wiley, this thirty year old out
24:30
Speaker 1: of Fairfield. Now just a month month and a half later,
24:34
Speaker 1: I get well, it's like January the tenth. You've got
24:38
Speaker 1: a young lady who's twenty one, Dave, and this is
24:41
Speaker 1: in January, January the tenth. She's found lying in her
24:45
Speaker 1: driveway suffering from gunshot wound and she's pronounced dead there
24:50
Speaker 1: at the scene. You know, who's why are you killing
24:53
Speaker 1: a twenty one year old woman in her driveway? Is
24:57
Speaker 1: there some kind of was she targeted for some specific reason?
25:02
Speaker 1: Had he been paid to do this? Then you go
25:05
Speaker 1: to February of twenty twenty four and we've got now
25:09
Speaker 1: four victims or three victims, including an unborn child. That
25:14
Speaker 1: was in February. You remember the Valentine's Day shooting. And
25:17
Speaker 1: then in April the ninth of twenty twenty four, we've
25:20
Speaker 1: got Anthony Love And this is kind of an interesting
25:25
Speaker 1: one day because McDaniel went to a UPS facility and
25:31
Speaker 1: shot him who you know, you talk about being bold
25:36
Speaker 1: that they would go he would go to this location
25:39
Speaker 1: and shoot this individual. You know, you get the sense
25:43
Speaker 1: that as he's going along, he has no fear. And
25:48
Speaker 1: this is the one case where they they do make
25:51
Speaker 1: mention of the fact that this was a murder for hire.
25:54
Speaker 1: At this point, Tom then you.
25:56
Speaker 2: Go to this.
25:58
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to really just grab it.
26:00
Speaker 1: It's it's like an unlicensed bar kind of club thing.
26:05
Speaker 1: It's called Place.
26:07
Speaker 3: They're all over the place and every community has them.
26:11
Speaker 3: It's just a win a nod in certain neighborhoods, and
26:14
Speaker 3: that this is one of those, though it operates under
26:16
Speaker 3: the radar.
26:17
Speaker 2: You pay a couple of cops or whoever, and there
26:19
Speaker 2: you go. Horrible.
26:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, And with this, you know, this is like the
26:25
Speaker 1: first time that we have a mass shooting. And this
26:29
Speaker 1: is a you know, you can go in, you can
26:32
Speaker 1: buy alcohols called and they referred to at the time
26:34
Speaker 1: as the And this is in July twenty twenty four,
26:37
Speaker 1: the trend Setters mass shooting. We had Stevie McGhee, thirty
26:42
Speaker 1: nine years old. He's found dead on the sidewalk at
26:46
Speaker 1: the scene. And then you've got two others that are
26:50
Speaker 1: found inside. Markisha Getting she's thirty nine. Angela Weatherspoon, she's
26:56
Speaker 1: fifty six, she's dead inside of trend Setters. And then
27:00
Speaker 1: you've got another person that rolls into UAB hospital and
27:05
Speaker 1: they eventually died. Ladarius Anderson, he's twenty.
27:08
Speaker 3: You remember, I remember when we were talking about this
27:09
Speaker 3: the first time, and I asked you, how do you
27:11
Speaker 3: deal with that? You know, in terms of an investigation,
27:14
Speaker 3: when you have you've got a mass shooting. We've got
27:17
Speaker 3: people over here that are dead or wounded. But then
27:20
Speaker 3: hours later somebody comes in and they're wounded and die.
27:26
Speaker 3: I mean they come by themselves, not through the ambulance.
27:29
Speaker 3: I wonder what that does to an investigation.
27:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's going to be really important, Dave, one
27:35
Speaker 1: of the most I'm glad you asked that, because one
27:36
Speaker 1: of the most important things that you can draw upon.
27:40
Speaker 1: You know, when EMTs roll out to a scene, they
27:42
Speaker 1: start they have their own well what they some people
27:45
Speaker 1: call it a run number. Some people dependent upon the
27:49
Speaker 1: para medical services that will call it a case number.
27:53
Speaker 1: But they're going on a run. And so when that
27:55
Speaker 1: number is generated, all right, and they run out there,
27:58
Speaker 1: they arrive and anytimes, the first responders are the first
28:03
Speaker 1: people on the scene. Sometimes they beat the cops there,
28:05
Speaker 1: so what they see at the scene is invaluable. All right, Well,
28:10
Speaker 1: you don't have that with somebody that just comes in
28:13
Speaker 1: off of the street. So where do you get information from?
28:16
Speaker 1: Was that first point of contact? It might be a
28:18
Speaker 1: security guard that's standing, say, for instance, off of the
28:21
Speaker 1: inside of because most big cities that have emergency rooms,
28:26
Speaker 1: if you've ever noticed this, they've got security guards that
28:29
Speaker 1: are seated inside of the waiting room. That's because you
28:32
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen on any given night
28:36
Speaker 1: in there. You can have fights break out, all kinds
28:38
Speaker 1: of stuff. Well, you've got somebody that rolls in and
28:41
Speaker 1: they're bleeding, they're complaining, I've been shot, I've been shot.
28:44
Speaker 1: That's your first point of contact. And so all of
28:47
Speaker 1: the information that you're going to get is going to
28:48
Speaker 1: come from the medical staff about this guy and he
28:51
Speaker 1: just walks in off the street. Well, their statements are
28:55
Speaker 1: going to be critical. You know what did he say?
28:58
Speaker 1: You know, at that point in time, you know he
28:59
Speaker 1: dies l Dave. So if he ambulates in he's bleeding out. Internally,
29:05
Speaker 1: you can't necessarily appreciate that at that point in time,
29:09
Speaker 1: then buddy, let me tell you, you've got to get
29:11
Speaker 1: every bit of information because he's gone now you're not
29:14
Speaker 1: going to be able to get anything from him. So
29:17
Speaker 1: that becomes very problematic. You have to chase down every
29:21
Speaker 1: person that you can in order to, you know, to
29:25
Speaker 1: try to understand, you know, what was going on at
29:29
Speaker 1: that particular time. You move beyond July and you get
29:32
Speaker 1: into August of twenty twenty four, and you've got an
29:37
Speaker 1: individual that's that's found inside of an apartment development by
29:44
Speaker 1: the name of Charles Herbert Moore. He shot unresponsive, he's
29:48
Speaker 1: pronounced dead at the scene. And you have another suspect
29:55
Speaker 1: other than McDaniel that is charged in this case, this
29:59
Speaker 1: is Charles na You have September of twenty twenty four
30:04
Speaker 1: where they discover an individual by the name of Darnett
30:12
Speaker 1: Tenny Brown, thirty five years old, and she's been suffering
30:17
Speaker 1: from gunshot wound. She's found inside of a bar. Why
30:22
Speaker 1: her you know, what connectivity do any of these people
30:25
Speaker 1: have with one another? And of course that in the
30:28
Speaker 1: same month, you have the five point South mass shooting
30:34
Speaker 1: that takes place, and again.
30:35
Speaker 3: This is the second one we had the Trendsetters. This
30:39
Speaker 3: is your second mass killing by the same alleged same suspect.
30:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, at this particular place, you've got
30:48
Speaker 1: four people that are killed here Dave, with seventeen others
30:52
Speaker 1: that have been wounded. And this is like a it's
30:58
Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of confused. A lot of
31:00
Speaker 1: stuff takes place on the outside. There's like a hookah
31:03
Speaker 1: lounge there and a cigar lounge that sort of thing,
31:06
Speaker 1: but there is a trendsetter's bar that's immediately adjacent to
31:11
Speaker 1: this area. You've got Roder Patterson, Taj Brooker, Carlos McCain,
31:18
Speaker 1: and Andrew Holman for more people that are too again
31:25
Speaker 1: to his credit, then you know, you go forward. We
31:30
Speaker 1: still got another individual, JaMarcus m McIntire.
31:35
Speaker 2: Next day, by the way, and yeah.
31:37
Speaker 1: In the wake of all of this chaos, and I'm thinking,
31:42
Speaker 1: because having been involved.
31:44
Speaker 3: In yeah, let me stop Deantrenet today Brown. She's killed
31:49
Speaker 3: on September nineteenth. On the two days later, you have
31:54
Speaker 3: the Hush Lounge by Point South shooting mass shooting. Then
31:58
Speaker 3: the next day, so over a three day period of time,
32:01
Speaker 3: you've got two solo shootings and a mass shooting by
32:03
Speaker 3: the same suspect. JaMarcus McIntyre was killed on September twenty second,
32:07
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, so three days and all that death
32:12
Speaker 3: attributed allegedly to one person.
32:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in that moment of Tom, you you know,
32:20
Speaker 1: you're just coming off of this and I'm thinking about
32:23
Speaker 1: the investigators that have been working all night, you know before,
32:30
Speaker 1: and then you go into the next day and you've
32:32
Speaker 1: got another one that's racked up. And I don't know
32:35
Speaker 1: if anyone has ever seen the show Homicide that was
32:40
Speaker 1: set up in Baltimore, and they had there was a
32:44
Speaker 1: classic scene that they always showed and everything kind of
32:46
Speaker 1: revolved around that show where you had a board that
32:49
Speaker 1: had a whiteboard that was written and they would put
32:52
Speaker 1: a magnetic sticker an indicator next to who was up,
32:57
Speaker 1: like's who's the next detective. Anything that happens, you got
33:02
Speaker 1: the next call because you're next in line. I can
33:06
Speaker 1: only imagine in the Homicide division what they're looking at
33:10
Speaker 1: in the wake of multiple shootings over a very short
33:14
Speaker 1: period of time, and there's other killings that are going on,
33:19
Speaker 1: you know that they're having to investigate that are not
33:21
Speaker 1: associated with Damon McDaniel. You don't have enough staff to
33:26
Speaker 1: cover a lot of this, and this material, Dave, is
33:30
Speaker 1: so very dense relative to all of the data that
33:33
Speaker 1: you're trying to collect, all of the connections that you're
33:36
Speaker 1: trying to make, all of the witness statements that you're
33:39
Speaker 1: trying to take from this, it must seem like you're
33:42
Speaker 1: absolutely drowning. If this was like a mass shooting that
33:45
Speaker 1: took place, say, for instance, we had the Nashville shooter,
33:50
Speaker 1: you know that jumps to mind, you had Parkland. You've
33:54
Speaker 1: got all of these different shootings as horrific as thos are,
34:00
Speaker 1: got containment in that where it's all happening in a
34:03
Speaker 1: central location. In you know, a couple of these cases,
34:08
Speaker 1: you have individuals where the shooters have died and they've
34:10
Speaker 1: been shot as well, or they took their own lives.
34:13
Speaker 1: That's contained. Take that a mass shooting in one contained
34:20
Speaker 1: location and then spread it out over a timeline where
34:25
Speaker 1: you've got multiple deaths in between other mass shootings along
34:29
Speaker 1: the way, and it's enough to make your eyes water
34:33
Speaker 1: when you think about it. You know, you have to
34:36
Speaker 1: ask the question, is it humanly possible to get every
34:40
Speaker 1: bit of evidence in a case like this, and if so,
34:43
Speaker 1: how are you going to compile all of this? I
34:45
Speaker 1: can only imagine right now, because this is an active
34:47
Speaker 1: case that's continuing to be investigated. They're literally Dave drowning
34:53
Speaker 1: in data right now. You have to understand, it's not
34:57
Speaker 1: just the detectives that are working here. You do have
35:00
Speaker 1: the forensics people, the crimson investigators that are out there,
35:03
Speaker 1: which are different than the detectives, and you're going to
35:08
Speaker 1: have the Jefferson County Corner's Office that's going to have
35:13
Speaker 1: to do all of these autopsies on each one of
35:16
Speaker 1: these individuals. You'll be drowning. And not to mention, not
35:21
Speaker 1: to mention the stress that it puts on the prosecutor's office,
35:25
Speaker 1: because for every homicide that you have, it's not like
35:29
Speaker 1: you bundle these homicides together, all right. These are individual
35:33
Speaker 1: human beings. These are victims, individual human beings. And for
35:38
Speaker 1: each one of these individual human beings that has met
35:40
Speaker 1: their end at the hand of another, there's going to
35:45
Speaker 1: be a case number that is generated for that there
35:52
Speaker 1: will be a charge that is specifically assigned to that individual,
35:56
Speaker 1: that is for their life. And the individual that is
36:00
Speaker 1: prosecuting this thing, I can't imagine that they would have
36:03
Speaker 1: enough assistant district attorneys to go around, you know, just
36:07
Speaker 1: to work each one of these cases. So where does
36:10
Speaker 1: that leave you? You know, well, first off, I'm still
36:13
Speaker 1: not convinced that this is completely over with, because apparently
36:17
Speaker 1: along the way they made some kind of connection that
36:20
Speaker 1: even though they had him on fourteen other cases, something
36:24
Speaker 1: drew their eye to these other four that we now have.
36:30
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how many more are there. I can
36:34
Speaker 1: tell you this, Dave and I are on this. We're
36:37
Speaker 1: going to be keeping a close eye on this, and
36:39
Speaker 1: I hope that anybody that is within the sound of
36:42
Speaker 1: our voice. These cases, for whatever reason, have not made
36:46
Speaker 1: it onto the national stage. We're talking about eighteen homicides
36:50
Speaker 1: here that are being laid at the feet, primarily at
36:54
Speaker 1: the feet of Damon McDaniel. He hadn't been tried, he
36:57
Speaker 1: hadn't been found guilty and his accomplices. How's this not
37:02
Speaker 1: made national news? I'm amazed. And we can't forget about
37:05
Speaker 1: the people that sustained injuries as a result of this.
37:09
Speaker 1: The list is long. We'll keep you updated. I'm Joseph
37:14
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks