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The Kenny Report | 20 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Another anti semitic attack in Melbourne as the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: refuses to apologize for failing to heed warnings in the
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  Speaker 3: lead up to the Bondaie terror attack. I'll set out
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  Speaker 3: the questions the Royal Commission must answer. Yet another shark
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  Speaker 3: attack in New South Wales, the fourth in two days,
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  Speaker 3: as beaches are closed and demands grow for better controls.
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  Speaker 3: The Albanezy government's energy shambles continues as coal fired power
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  Speaker 3: is again called on to save the electricity grid. Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump's bizarre plan to acquire Greenland. I'll get Kristen Tate's
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  Speaker 3: view from the US and the Tuesday Panel with Suzi
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  Speaker 3: O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tempei.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. A group of Australian.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish teenagers has been subjected to an anti Semitic attack
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  Speaker 3: in Melbourne overnight. YEP, even after the Bondai terrorist massacre,
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  Speaker 3: the scourge of antisemitism continues in this country. Some of
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  Speaker 3: the episode was captured on security cameras as a group
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  Speaker 3: of five teenage boys was walking in Saint Kilda about
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  Speaker 3: nine forty five last night. They were readily identifiable as
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  Speaker 3: Jewish and were harassed by the driver of a ute
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  Speaker 3: who allegedly yelled Hail Hitler at them and made Nazi
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  Speaker 3: salutes and swerved his vehicle towards them. What a sickening incident.
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  Speaker 3: But of course it's nothing new in this country. We've
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  Speaker 3: seen this unfold increasingly over more than two years and
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  Speaker 3: the best we get from the federal government is new
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  Speaker 3: gun laws and hate speech laws. A complete lack of
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  Speaker 3: leadership and moral clarity over more than two years can
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  Speaker 3: hardly be fixed with new laws of thought. Our country
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  Speaker 3: is rudderless on this stuff. Anthony Alberanezi is a follower,
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  Speaker 3: a spectator, not a leader. Remember he was an anti
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  Speaker 3: Israel protester not so long ago, so he's all at
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  Speaker 3: sea right now. In Parliament today the Opposition demanded apologies
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  Speaker 3: from the PM.
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister, I ask again, will you apologize to Jewish
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  Speaker 4: Australians because you and your government did not listen.
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  Speaker 5: Let me be very clear, mister speaker, all governments should
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  Speaker 5: have done better.
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  Speaker 2: That is my point.
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  Speaker 5: The idea that any Semitism began two years ago with
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  Speaker 5: the change of government is false, and it's declared to
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  Speaker 5: be false by the comments of those opposite in senior positions,
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  Speaker 5: despite the surge in any Semitism on their watch. Did
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  Speaker 5: the Morrison government, Did the Morrison Governor appoint a special
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  Speaker 5: envoy to combat any Semetism?
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  Speaker 3: No, what a pathetic deflection. He's trying to blame it
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  Speaker 3: on someone else. Now say anti Semitism was another government's problem.
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  Speaker 3: No one says anti Semitism began under Labor. But we
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  Speaker 3: all know Labor was warned repeatedly and was begged and
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  Speaker 3: pleaded with to do.
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  Speaker 2: More to stamp out the due hatred.
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  Speaker 3: After it rose to unprecedented levels in the wake of
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  Speaker 3: October the seventh, twenty twenty three. But even now Alberan
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  Speaker 3: Ezi just gives Parliament the prepared and political responses that
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  Speaker 3: he's so addicted to. Always politics with him, never real
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  Speaker 3: action or real leadership. As you know, after the Bondai massacre,
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  Speaker 3: when fifteen Australians were gunned down just thirty seven days ago,
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  Speaker 3: Albanisi and his Labor government unbelievably refused to call a
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  Speaker 3: Royal commission into this, the country's worst ever terrors to attack.
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  Speaker 3: They were eventually shamed into calling one. The terms of
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  Speaker 3: reference are pretty broad, so they do allow for a
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  Speaker 3: proper investigation of the key issues if the Royal Commissioner,
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  Speaker 3: former High Court Justice Virginia Bell chooses, and if the
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  Speaker 3: submissions take it in.
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  Speaker 2: The right direction.
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  Speaker 3: This is important because the government will be looking for
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  Speaker 3: a whitewash here, hoping the inquiry gets lost in extraneous detail,
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  Speaker 3: rather than examining the government's reckless indifference to warnings and
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  Speaker 3: calls for action over more than two years leading up.
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  Speaker 2: To the attack.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to put on the record some key
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  Speaker 3: questions that this Royal Commission must address. If it fails
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  Speaker 3: to consider these queries, it won't do the job we
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  Speaker 3: need it to do. The Royal Commission must consider whether
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  Speaker 3: the federal and state governments and law enforcement agencies failed
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  Speaker 3: to adequately respond to the hateful antisemitism displayed at public
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  Speaker 3: protests from October the eighth, twenty twenty three at Lucember
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  Speaker 3: and October the ninth, twenty twenty three at the Opera
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  Speaker 3: House and subsequently in frequent public demonstrations. It needs to
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  Speaker 3: examine whether calls to establish Palestine from the River to
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  Speaker 3: the sea and to globalize the Interfata and chance to f.
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  Speaker 2: The Jews or wheres the Jews and chance for.
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  Speaker 3: Death to the IDEF and cheers for the slaughter of
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  Speaker 3: innocent Jews.
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  Speaker 2: In terrorist attacks?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it needs to examine whether these were in effect
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  Speaker 3: incitements to violence. Do they amount to hate speech? And
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  Speaker 3: as such, why were no arrests made, why were no
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  Speaker 3: prosecutions attempted, and why did the Prime Minister not address
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  Speaker 3: the nation about refusing to tolerate such incitements. Also, the
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  Speaker 3: Commission must ask if the Federal government's demonization of Israel,
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  Speaker 3: often based on false claims from Hummas in Gaza, fueled
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  Speaker 3: and normalized anti Israel and an anti Semitic sentiment. Did
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  Speaker 3: media reporting, including by the publicly funded media, misinformed the
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  Speaker 3: public about what was happening in Gaza and therefore fanned
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  Speaker 3: the flames of hatred. Did the Federal government's recognition of
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  Speaker 3: the non existent state of Palestine effectively reward the terrorist
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  Speaker 3: atrocities of October seventh and the ongoing war effort of
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  Speaker 3: Hummas in Gaza. Did this then embolden Islamist extremists and
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  Speaker 3: their sympathizers. Did the Federal government send precisely the wrong
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  Speaker 3: signals and endanger the Australian public banned mainstream Israeli politicians
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  Speaker 3: and commentators from coming to this country at the same
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  Speaker 3: time that it provided visas to three thousand people from Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: Were adequate security checks provided for those Gaza visas? Why
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  Speaker 3: did the federal and state governments ignore repeated warnings from
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  Speaker 3: the Australian Jewish community, security experts, politicians, expert commentators, and
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  Speaker 3: the Israeli government that persistent anti Semitism and Islamist extremism
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  Speaker 3: in Australia, which manifested itself in violent attacks on homes,
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  Speaker 3: on cars, on businesses, on childcare centers and places of worship.
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  Speaker 2: Why did they.
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  Speaker 3: Ignore warnings that this would inevitably result in violence against people.
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  Speaker 3: Given the terrorism alert setting of probable, the public warnings,
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  Speaker 3: the declarations of hatred, and the pleas for more action,
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  Speaker 3: what motivated the federal government and other authorities to do
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  Speaker 3: so little? Did the government underplay the threat of Islamist
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  Speaker 3: extremism because of sensitivities about offending Muslim Australians and possible
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  Speaker 3: electoral consequences. And finally, given there has never been a
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  Speaker 3: terror attack in Australia that was preceded by more threats, intimidation, vilification, warnings,
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  Speaker 3: escalating incidents and pleas for action and protection. To what
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  Speaker 3: degree are state and federal governments and their law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: agencies guilty of negligence? I think we know most of
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  Speaker 3: the answers. I think they're obvious and undeniable. Let's hope
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  Speaker 3: the Royal Commission is honest and thorough enough to give
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  Speaker 3: the definity of answers and clear the way for proper
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  Speaker 3: moral leadership, social cohesion and community safety into the future.
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  Speaker 3: Just on terrorism and this deadly threat of Islamist terrorism,
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  Speaker 3: and let me tell let me show you a couple
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  Speaker 3: more examples of how our political class is dealing with this.
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  Speaker 3: Every one of our federal MPs has had a chance
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  Speaker 3: to speak on the condolence motion for the Bondai victims
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  Speaker 3: in Federal Parliament and to share their thoughts on this atrocity.
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  Speaker 3: Have listened to the mindless and shameless moral equivalents of
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  Speaker 3: the Greens Senator Nick McKim, who diminished the lives of
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  Speaker 3: these terror attack victims by trying to work in all
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  Speaker 3: of his other pet causes.
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  Speaker 6: But Jewish Australians won't be safe from the skur of
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  Speaker 6: anti Semitism until Muslim Australians are safe from the scourge
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  Speaker 6: of Islamophobia, and neither will be safe until all Australians
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  Speaker 6: are safe from racism and from religious intolerance, and until
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  Speaker 6: we reckon with intolerance and discrimination based on any attributes,
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  Speaker 6: and until we reckon with the brutality and the underlying
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  Speaker 6: violence of the colonization of this com of this continent
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  Speaker 6: based on the lie of Terrannalius.
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  Speaker 2: Terrannalius.
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  Speaker 3: Now, on one level, these comments just show us how
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  Speaker 3: unintelligent and unwise McKim is. They're a testament to stupidity
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  Speaker 3: that perhaps we should ignore.
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  Speaker 2: But some people take this sort.
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  Speaker 3: Of nonsense seriously and it's got to be called out
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  Speaker 3: because it's dangerous. Instead of helping to combat anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 3: it fuels it by diminishing the problem, by seeking to
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  Speaker 3: equate it to other issues, where people are not killed,
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  Speaker 3: where threats are not constant, where hatred is not ventilated.
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  Speaker 3: McKim is not fit to sit in our National Parliament,
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  Speaker 3: but there he is. On the other hand, former Sas
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  Speaker 3: Officer Andrew Hasty had the courage and clarity to focus
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  Speaker 3: on the hateful ideology that took fifteen lives and that
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  Speaker 3: remains the greatest security threat on our shores and which
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  Speaker 3: is anathema to all that we stand for in Western
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  Speaker 3: liberal democracies.
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  Speaker 4: We now have people living in Australia who do not
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  Speaker 4: share our values, who despise our way of life, and
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  Speaker 4: they will useolence to make the point. As the father
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  Speaker 4: son homegrown Terra cell at Bondi Beach have shown us,
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  Speaker 4: Militant Islam is a cancer that must be cut from
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  Speaker 4: our communities before it kills more of us. So we
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  Speaker 4: must talk about immigration and citizenship and the kind of
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  Speaker 4: country we want Australia to become. To avoid this hard
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  Speaker 4: reality is to ignore the darker truth at the heart
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  Speaker 4: of the bon Bondai terror attacks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hasty knows who the enemy is and he knows
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  Speaker 3: what's at stake. Where Albanizi is confused and weak, Hasty
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  Speaker 3: is certain and strong. The PM should ask Hasty for
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  Speaker 3: some advice. Now, just in case you're worried the government
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  Speaker 3: might not be on top of this stuff, let me
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  Speaker 3: remind you about a particular Muslim preacher, shake Ibrahim du Doun,
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  Speaker 3: the preacher who gave us one of the most sickening
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  Speaker 3: displays ever seen on an Australian street back in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty three, the day after the October the seventh atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm in Naytan.
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  Speaker 3: It's a day of courage. I've shown you this so
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  Speaker 3: many times, and I've repeatedly slammed the government for not
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  Speaker 3: cracking down on that appalling celebration right from the outset.
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  Speaker 3: It should be seed into the minds of all Australians
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  Speaker 3: that incident and the person who led it. Now, that's
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  Speaker 3: when the government failed, right back then, right at the start.
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  Speaker 3: But in Sky today, when asked by Andrew Clanel about
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  Speaker 3: how new hate speech laws might have worked, listen to
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  Speaker 3: what the Home Affairs Minister said.
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  Speaker 8: The preacher who said he was happy after the October
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  Speaker 8: seven rape and murder attack. Essentially, shaik Ibrahim de doone.
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  Speaker 8: Would he have been targeted under the original proposal or
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  Speaker 8: this proposal possibly?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not going to give I'm just not
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  Speaker 9: in a position to give a legal opinion and everything
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  Speaker 9: else you'd know. We got him out of the country
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  Speaker 9: within a couple of days, and often for people if
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  Speaker 9: they're on a visa, the fastest thing is to boot
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  Speaker 9: them and just get them out of Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Say what he got rid of him? Deported him? Does
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  Speaker 3: Burke even know what he's talking about?
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  Speaker 2: He is to do?
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  Speaker 3: Nearly two years later, at that protest that Labor lauded
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  Speaker 3: so much, that hateful protest on the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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  Speaker 3: we're down.
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  Speaker 10: On the Harbor Bridge or like con if day when
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  Speaker 10: we are protesting, we're marching for humanity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've shown you that before. Tood Doune is still
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  Speaker 3: in the country. He was born here. He's an Australian citizen.
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  Speaker 3: He's still preaching. You can see all his stuff online.
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  Speaker 3: He's never suffered any consequences from that hateful rant on
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  Speaker 3: October the eighth, twenty twenty three. The Minister obviously has
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  Speaker 3: no idea and he should know about this man, and.
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  Speaker 2: He obviously doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: You'd think the doom would be etched into their consciousness
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  Speaker 3: after that horrible celebration and all that it preceded, But
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  Speaker 3: no Bert thinks he deported him an Australian citizen. I reckon,
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  Speaker 3: We've got every right to be worried about their commitment and.
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  Speaker 2: Their competence on these issues.
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  Speaker 3: We contacted Tony Burke's office, and he says he misheard
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  Speaker 3: the question and was thinking about another preacher from America
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  Speaker 3: whose visa was canceled.
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  Speaker 2: A year later.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Camber now and catch up with the
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  Speaker 3: Shadow Education Minister Julian.
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Julian, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Can you believe that the Home Affairs Minister was not
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  Speaker 3: aware of whose Shaikh Ibrahim de Doone is and was
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  Speaker 3: under the impression that he deported him.
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  Speaker 2: Flos should be.
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  Speaker 3: As I said, just then see it into the memory
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  Speaker 3: of all Australians given that appalling rant over two years ago.
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  Speaker 11: That's right, Chris shake the dunes pretty notorious. That rant,
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  Speaker 11: by my recollection, was not the first time he had
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  Speaker 11: been inciting and geeing people up, and it was one
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  Speaker 11: of the most disgraceful things that we've seen since October seven.
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  Speaker 11: That is exactly the reason why we need stronger laws.
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  Speaker 11: It's exactly the reason why we've been calling the government
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  Speaker 11: to take firmer action for the last eight hundred days
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  Speaker 11: between October seven and the terrible, dreadful events that occurred
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  Speaker 11: on in Bondai in December where there was a massacre
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  Speaker 11: of people and the Jewish community was targeted.
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  Speaker 3: Well, tell us about these laws though, because I must
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  Speaker 3: admit I see a lot of these legislative agenda at
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  Speaker 3: the moment as a bit of a smoke screen, as
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  Speaker 3: an excuse because the government has failed to addres these
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  Speaker 3: issues over the past more than two years.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, we already have hate speech laws and.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously neither state or federal authorities have chosen to try
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  Speaker 3: to enact them over the past two years. So wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: we try and prosecute people under the existing laws before
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  Speaker 3: we try and draft new laws in the Parliament?
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  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, I think the first thing to say is
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  Speaker 11: that we wouldn't even be here in the Parliament if
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  Speaker 11: it wasn't for the leadership of Susan Lee and the
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  Speaker 11: Coalition calling on the government in the wake of the
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  Speaker 11: Bondai terrorist attack to do what the new South Wales
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  Speaker 11: State government had done and bring back the parliament, have
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  Speaker 11: condolence motions and tighten the laws in line with the
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  Speaker 11: requests of the Special Envoy for antisemitism. A report from
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  Speaker 11: a Special Envoy that they'd been sitting on for six
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  Speaker 11: months and kept providing excuses for why they hadn't taken action.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 11: I think firstly, you want to see people prosecuted in
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  Speaker 11: relation to existing laws. But we know that there have
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  Speaker 11: been aspects where it has been difficult to list all
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  Speaker 11: organizations like his book to Rear which spread hate but
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  Speaker 11: are not a terrorist organization. So we need to be
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  Speaker 11: able to prescribe that organization to shut it down. We
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  Speaker 11: need to be able to go after the Niaro Nazis
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  Speaker 11: and shut them down. And we need to make it
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  Speaker 11: easier to boot hate preachers who are not Australian citizens
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  Speaker 11: from this country. That's why I'm here, That's why I
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  Speaker 11: voted for the legislation. That's why it's important that we
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  Speaker 11: keep we do everything we can to keep Australian safe,
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  Speaker 11: and that's not what the government has been doing for
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  Speaker 11: the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we expect that legislation to go through the Parliament tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: But this brings back to that point. Me back to
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  Speaker 3: that point though about the lack of leadership, because we
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  Speaker 3: have a government here in a Prime Minister talking about
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  Speaker 3: passing laws and talking about you know, commissioning the Special
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  Speaker 3: Envoy and the like.
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  Speaker 2: But what we've.
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  Speaker 3: Failed to see is that leadership right at the outset.
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  Speaker 2: And Anthony Albinizi has failed to keep up.
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  Speaker 3: With that, failed to catch up with that, to demand
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  Speaker 3: tolerance in this country, to condemn Islamist extremism, he can't
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  Speaker 3: even bring himself to say the words Islamist extremism. And
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  Speaker 3: unless you set out that leadership from the very top,
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  Speaker 3: the community won't follow. And more importantly, the law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: agencies aren't given the seer that they need.
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  Speaker 11: That's exactly right, Chris. What we haven't seen is these
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  Speaker 11: matters dealt with in the most zealous and deliberate way
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  Speaker 11: possible that they could be. That's what Australians needed to
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  Speaker 11: see from their government leadership that was unequivocal about anti
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  Speaker 11: Semitism and anti Semitism alone, getting ahead of the game
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  Speaker 11: rather than constantly playing catch up, having strong measures, not
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  Speaker 11: half measures. And unfortunately, for the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 11: that's what we've seen again and again from the Albanezi government.
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  Speaker 11: The challenge for the government now is, okay, if they're
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  Speaker 11: given the new laws, don't sit on your hands, crack
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  Speaker 11: on and list his book career. Crack on and prescribe
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  Speaker 11: the noo Nazis. Crack on and boot the hate preachers
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  Speaker 11: that are on visas as soon as you can we've.
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  Speaker 3: Also we've already got to Muslim leaders though, saying that
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  Speaker 3: these HP laws could be Islamophobia in disguise. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: know it's more than two years too late, but aside
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  Speaker 3: from these laws, does the Prime Minister not need to
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  Speaker 3: call some sort of summit with Muslim community leaders and
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  Speaker 3: work with them, not.
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  Speaker 2: To condemn them, but to work with them to seek.
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  Speaker 3: Their support in combating the root cause of the problem,
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  Speaker 3: and that is Islamist extremism. I know you've talked about
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  Speaker 3: other forms of anti Semitism like neo Nazis and the
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  Speaker 3: hateful left, and we've got to address those as well.
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  Speaker 3: But the real issue here, as we've seen in Bondai,
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  Speaker 3: is Islamist extremism, and I see no top level government
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  Speaker 3: effort to combat it.
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  Speaker 11: We've got to call out the radical Islamist extremists and
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  Speaker 11: address that form of anti Semitism as an urgent priority
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  Speaker 11: given what happened at Bondai. And indeed, the group of
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  Speaker 11: Australians that the radical Islamist hate preachers affect most adversity
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  Speaker 11: is actually Muslim Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. In my speech, I.
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  Speaker 11: Spoke about the wonderful Persian community. In my electorate, most
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  Speaker 11: of whom are Muslim, and they have the courage to
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  Speaker 11: stand up against an Islamist extremist regime in Iran and
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  Speaker 11: to call out the Islamist extremism in our own country
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  Speaker 11: if Muslim Australia, we need more Muslim Australians and Muslim
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  Speaker 11: Australian leaders like the Persian community who are prepared to
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  Speaker 11: do this. We need to encourage more people in the
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  Speaker 11: Muslim community to stand up and call out the hate
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  Speaker 11: preachers for what they are.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Julian, and I appreciate it, Jullian, Lisa.
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  Speaker 3: They are the shadow Education Minister, Liberal MP joining us
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  Speaker 3: live from Canberra. I want to go to Tim Blair
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  Speaker 3: now in Western Victoria, the Daily Telegraphs columnist and provocateur.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Of course, Tim, Tim.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I want to stay on these issues, such a serious issue,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: such a deadly issue.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But you shocked us.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Really, I think with your latest column on this because
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you've raised us at such an absurd level, the hypocrisy
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of the Adelaide Writers Festival and ran to Abdulph Fatta
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: being banned and then unbanned, and you point out in
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: your column, why don't they just cut out the middleman.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: If they want to be so hateful in these in
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: these writers' festivals, these publicly funded writers festivals, why don't
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: they just bring in some extremists from Gaza and go,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, cut out the middleman.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. They put like a filter between those who are
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: committing these terrorist acts and those who were those who
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: were the philosophical guides. I guess, if you want to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: be fancy about it, who are committing these acts in
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Gaza and who were behind October seven and all the atrocities,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: then they put this nice filter between them, and then
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it's all intellectual and they get people to writers and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: all these poses and everything from the from the nine
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: papers and from the ABC. Just scrap that lot, scrap
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the middle men and middle women and just get the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: goons who were murdering people on Akba s even get
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: them up and ask the questions, get some audience engagement,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: which is a fras owas love. Ask them why they
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: killed women, children and the elderly on October seven, just
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: as a starting point, and then we can go on
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: from there.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because let's be straightforward about Randa abdel abdel Fatta. She,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: like Ibrahim Dadoun, celebrated October the seventh, she was celebrating
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: it on social media and telling everybody how what a
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: great development this was.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is repugnant stuff.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Yet as you say so, supposedly mainstream journalists and writers
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and many ABC journalists who were on the program at
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the Adelaide Writers' Festival, they went out in sympathy for her.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: What moral universe did they live in?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the problems is, Chris, they
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: all live in the same universe, the same very tiny,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: very close did, very controlled universe. And as I mentioned
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in the column, one of the things that's been incredibly
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: fascinating about how all of the Adelaide Writers' Festival dispute
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is unfolded is we've had in the last week and
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a half since the Adelaid Writers Festival's totally collapsed in
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on itself, we've had more freedom of speech. We've had
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: an extraordinary range of views and statements and theories and comments,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and it's been quite terrific. It's been old fashioned Australia,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: everyone having their two cents worth, and then when you
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: have a writer's festival, all of that is gone. Suddenly
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: we're back to a monochrome view and outside views are unaccepted. Certainly,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: if you're a Jewish and a supporter of Israel, you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: want to try and get your voice heard at a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: writer's festival in Australia, especially Adelaide, not a chance.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just forget it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly. If we're going to have a writer's festival, great,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: but just call it what it is, the censorship festival.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly, a group to think festival.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to the South Australian Labor Premier
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Malanowskus is one of the few people who've.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Spoken since throughout this whole controversy. I've got a.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Responsibility if to advocate against any rhetoric that I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: in flames hate speech or you know, is them a
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: phobia or andy Semitism.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Good on him.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Peter Melanowskus stood up for his principles there and the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: whole show's moved on beyond him. But he stands proud
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: in my view. I want to switch to another issue,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: these shark attacks in Sydney. Tim We've now had four
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: attacks in just two days. People are starting to talk
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: about whether we should call sharks again and all sorts
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: of talks about drone patrols keeping an eye up for it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Sharking business beaches right across the north of Sydney shut
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: all day today, people told just to stay out of
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: the water.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think, well, there's a few things here. We
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: were told for a long time that shark numbers were
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: terribly reduced and that the many sharks viceas were endangered. Well,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you know, they seem healthy at the moment. The other
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: thing is that when we do start talking about culling,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and it's an entirely sensible call, because there's this spade
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of attacks is deeply worrying and it goes right back
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to November. We had other fatal attacks in New South Wales.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But it's very hard to raise these issues these because
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the animal liberation or the pro shark movement has established
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: itself so thoroughly on this case that even to suggest
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: culling is to be almost sacrilegious. So you know, I'm
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: glad that the people like Tony Abbott have spoken up
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: for it, and you know, someone who's obviously in this
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: case very familiar with with our oceans, and it should
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: be a much more, much more normal sort of thing
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to be able to say that, you know, these things
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: are attacking, killing people let's severely reduce their numbers just
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: for the sake of humanity.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, these people who say it's there domain. If
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: you swim in the water, then take what you get. Well,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: why don't we let the Taipans back into the suburbs
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and see how they go with that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just not.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Sensible and we've got to do more to protect people,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: no doubt about it. Thanks for joining us, Tim, I
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: appreciate it. Tim Blair there from the Daily Telegraph. You
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: can read his stuff on their website whenever you like.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: We better go to a break on the other side.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Back into this energy shambles. So the cold fire power
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: is now being called on to save the electricity yet again.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Ad Morrison will join me now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: The nation's energy self harm continues unabated, and the bloken
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: charge Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen, Well, he continues
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: to embarrass himself on social media, pretending that black is white,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and that expensive, unreliable renewable electricity is cheap and reliable,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: and that coal fired power is the problem.
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: China and India they know what we also know that
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: renewables are the cheapest form of energy, lower emissions and
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: also more reliable because in Australia we are facing coal
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: fire power stations breaking down every single day.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Now, this bloke actually pretends that coal fired power stations
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: are the reason that power prices keep going up. In
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: other words, he lies, He spreads information that is the
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: opposite to reality. And he's been exposed again today because
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: it's been announced that the nation's largest electricity generation plant,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the coal fired Arring power Station on the New South
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Wales Central Coast, will have its life extended by another
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: two years to at least twenty twenty nine.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Why is this happening.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Because the power grid can't function without arah Ring, because
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the so called renewable energy transition is failing, because the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: intermittent power of renewables can't power the nation, And because
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Bowen's political spin about coal fired power is exposed as false,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: just blatant lies. The truth is the renewables transition is
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: pushing power prices up, electricity reliability down, and the only
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: person who thinks this is funny is the Minister in charge.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go.
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: As of today, Australians have installed two hundred thousand home
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: batteries attempt one July last year.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: All fun and games for Chris Bond, but all the
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: economic pain and suffering is there for the rest of us.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Aiden Morrison, the director of the Energy
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Program at the Center for Independent Studies.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Aidan.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: You won't have been surprised that they need to keep
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: AURAN going till at least twenty twenty nine.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Now the writing has been on the wall for at
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: least six months, Chris. Basically the system operator a EMO
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: and also a transcorit have told us very clearly the
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: system won't be stable and we are at risk of
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: blackouts if we don't have a ring extended. So we
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: knew this was coming. The question is when would the
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: government finally be honest about it. And today it appears
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: that Origin has actually decided that it's commercially profit fable
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: and viable for them to keep running the power plan
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: through to twenty twenty nine. So that's what they're going
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: to do.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: So taxpayers don't have to subsidize this.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: It doesn't look like they do have to subsidize this
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: at all. They had the option of calling on some
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: underwriting for the two years from twenty five to twenty seven,
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: didn't call on it. Rather have their profits uncapped than
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: have their losses covered. Right, So that shows you how
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: profitable and how commercially viable this power station is as
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: it continues to provide quite low cost energy to the
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: overall system. And I'll do some more for twenty twenty nine.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: You can't hide reality in this space, right when you're
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: talking about electricity prices.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: We see the bills. People know what's going on when
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it comes to actually reliability. People are they have the power?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Bowen, what he's saying to me seems to
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: be the complete opposite to reality. If he's saying coal
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: firepower is the problem, then why are we suddenly desperate
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: to hang on to more coal fired power?
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: That's right. And the other question is is why is
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: that no one off their own bad is putting their
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: own money to invest in new renewable energy. Everything's proceeding
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: for wind and solar is being underwritten by some state
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: or federal government scheme or another. But yet origin in
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: this case off their own bat with their own money,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: will happily extend arahing another couple of years, so the
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: market will support new coal and coal remaining in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: system that's still financially viable. But the market won't support
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: investing in more grid scale wind and solar, so that's
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: not financially viable. So what is what is Chris Bowen
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: trying to tell us when we can see these two
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: signs cleaning the market.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Now, we've talked before about grid stability, and you've talked.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: About these incredible machines, these synchronous condensers that if we
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: lost coal fied power stations and we're going to try
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: and run the whole grid mainly on renewables, you'd have
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to invest millions on putting these machines in to stabilize
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the grid.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Does this mean they won't be needed now?
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: Well, it's quite a possibility that they won't be needed
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: as soon as we otherwise thought. And you're absolutely right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: The grid is kept stable by these huge masses of
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: spinning metal which we have for free in our system,
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: because these coalfied power stations have these big spinning steam turbines.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: But if you shut those down, you need to pay
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: someone else to produce another big, spinning, massive metal that
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: doesn't produce any power, and we are probably now going
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: to be overpaying paying for those things twice because auring
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: will be staying longer, so we could be paying twice
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: for that system stability rather than just once, which.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Is stabilizers that we don't need.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what we might have for another year or
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: two because of this extension being announced.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Is there any good news for consumers here on prices?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Will aering help keep prices down or will it not?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Because we're still going.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: To see massive investment in renewables and transmission while ARAAN
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: keeps going.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: I think that hits now on the head. It will help,
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: but it won't help enough necessarily to actually see prices
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: fall very much because we've got so much new transmission
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: spend coming on, so five and a half billion dollars
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: per Central wester Rana, who knows what the new England
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: one will be. There's four and a half billion dollars
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: for Human Link. There's just so much in the pipeline
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: for that spending alone that your bills are going to
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: have a lot of upward pressure. But araing certainly will
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: keep the wholesale prices, the price to our dispatched electricity down.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: It is really only spiked up recently when there has
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: been a real shortage in the grid. It's often when
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: these plans have been out for long term maintenance. It
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: looks like that maintenance is now paid off and they
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: can stay in the grid. So that might be able
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: to keep prices a little bit of pressure downwards.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but importantly it gives us much more security of supply.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: It will stabilize the grid. Just finally, then they're saying
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: now till twenty twenty nine, just three years from now.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Do you expect that that's low balling it, that will
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: need a ruhing beyond that?
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, almost certainly there'll be at least some units kept
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: going beyond that, because at the moment there's just nothing
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: being built on the wind and solar front in New
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: South Wales. Some being built, but none being signed in
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: for new investment. At the moment, the market's completely dried up.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: There are projects that have all their environmental approvals and
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: even government subsidy underwriting are still not going ahead. So
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: at the moment we need to see a massive acceleration
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: which we're just not seeing to have any chance of
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: closing a raing in twenty twenty nine, so stay poised
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: for more extensions after it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: It's so odd because Chris Bowen seems to think he's
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: smashing it. He thinks it's all going tickety boot.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: All the evidence appoints the other direction.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us and I appreciate it. Add Morrison
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: there from the Center for Independent Studies. We only got
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: a little break again. On the other side. We'll catch
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: up with Christian Tight in the US to get the
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: lightest on Trump's wild Greenland ambitions. I'll cross to Kristen
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Tight in the US in a moment, but first, Donald
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Trump has refused to rule out using force to take Greenland.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: He is the lightest.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: From NBC News.
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: This morning, a frigid Greenland is fired up over President
• 34:34
  Speaker 13: Trump's threats to take over the Danish territory. The island
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: holding a protest over the weekend. Demonstrators wearing their own
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: version of Maga hats make America go Away and for
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: the President denounced that until Greenland is sold to the US,
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: starting February first, I'll impose that ten percent tariff on
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: all goods from Denmark and seven other countries that have
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: agreed to send small numbers of troops to Greenland. The
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: import tax would that increase to twenty five percent on
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: June first, if no deal is reached Norway's Prime minister
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: is also confirmed he received the text message from President
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: Trump over the weekend in which Trump said he quote
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: no longer feels an obligation to think purely of peace
• 35:15
  Speaker 13: after not receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. According to the
• 35:19
  Speaker 13: Prime minister, Trump also out of the world is not
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: secure unless we have complete and total control of Greenland.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Look, even though the US bought Alaska and bought Louisiana,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: this is an extraordinary way for the US to treat
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: its allies. I asked Kristin whether Trump's endgame is clear, Well.
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: Clearly, there are lots of benefits to acquiring Greenland, geopolitical benefits,
• 35:46
  Speaker 14: also benefits related to resources, and the President's moved to
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: acquire Greenland, in my mind, is more than just about
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: territorial expansion.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: This is actually kind of a bold shift in US
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: foreign policy, and it comes after Trump arresting Maduro. Right,
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: and now you take Greenland. And in my view, Chris,
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: I totally get the benefits of potentially acquiring Greenland, but
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: this establishes a dangerous precedent. It tells the world that
• 36:15
  Speaker 14: if you're a big country and you have power, you
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: just take what you want. We're not hiding behind you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: diplomatic niceties anymore. It's the US just openly embracing power
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: in a way that kind of echoes historical empires. This is,
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: you know, for the last eighty years, we've kind of
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: built up these international rules post World War Two especially,
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: and you know, kind of has kept things in check.
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: But now it feels like we're kind of just stomping
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: over those norms and just saying that bigger nations can
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: go ahead and swallow up smaller ones just because they
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: want to, or it's because you know, it's advantageous to them.
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: So I definitely have concerns about this, and so do
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: a lot of other Americans.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is bizarre.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt this has focused people's attention on the
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: strategic importance of Greenland because of its location and also.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Because of those critical minerals.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: But the suggestion that the US could take it by
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: military force or.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Just essentially assumed the territory is bizarre. It's no way
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to treat allies.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Have a listen to the UUs as one of the
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: US's most important allies. Of course, the UK, their Prime
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Minister Suki Istama.
• 37:21
  Speaker 15: The use of tariffs against allies is completely wrong. It
• 37:27
  Speaker 15: is not the right way to resolve differences within an alliance.
• 37:32
  Speaker 15: Any decision about the future status of Greenland belongs to
• 37:38
  Speaker 15: the people of Greenland and the Kingdom of Denmark alone.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems axiomatic. Is the endgame here? Then?
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Kristen though that Donald Trump just wants a major US
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: military base there and some sort of deal about the
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: minerals being used for Western allies rather than for China
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: or Russia.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Sure, well, do you.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Think he's actually seriously thinks that he could add this
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: to the US story?
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: Well? I think, you know, it's probably the first option.
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: But the way he's doing this has a lot of
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: potential downside. It could isolate the United States internationally, you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: it could erode trust with our allies, and it could
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: invite retaliation. It also kind of effectively ends NATO. How
• 38:25
  Speaker 14: can you maintain a defense alliance when one member of
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: the United States is aggressively targeting another like Denmark? I suppose.
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: On the other hand, you know, NATO has sort of
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: been on life support anyway, so having it sort of
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: effectively end wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I think it would be disastrous if NIGHTO ended. I
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: think one of the benefits of Trump is that he
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: strengthened night because he's forced night OU countries to spend
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: more on their defense. This is such a bizarre story.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: We understand the strategic importance, but the way Trump's going
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: about it is bizarre even.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: By his standards.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: As you know, we've got the Australian Open on in
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: this country at the moment, and my favorite tennis player
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: always turns up as a commentator for that, John McEnroe,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: and you'd want to quote him.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: You'd have to say, are you serious? You can't be serious,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump is serious. Haven't listened to the Dani's
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  Speaker 2: foreign minister.
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  Speaker 16: The meeting we had last week left me with a
• 39:20
  Speaker 16: clear impression that the President honestly and full hardly want
• 39:27
  Speaker 16: to acquire Greenland. But we also made it Chrystal clear
• 39:32
  Speaker 16: that this is a red line, I mean, and therefore
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: we agreed that we should move this dialogue from you know,
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  Speaker 16: social media and true social and other arenas into a
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  Speaker 16: meeting room.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: The interesting thing about that Christian he says there is
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: stuff to discuss, there's a red line. Of course, I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: don't want to give up Greenland, but there is room
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: for negotiation. So again, as with everything Trump talks about,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I suppose and aspires to you just got to wait
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: and see what the end result is going to be.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, you're right, you know Trump, he goes for one
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: hundred knowing he might get you know fifty. That's sort
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: of his strategy and it has worked in the past.
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: But I just keep coming back to I don't like
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  Speaker 14: the president this absolutely. It's just smaller nations need to
• 40:17
  Speaker 14: have autonomy. You can't just be a big nation and
• 40:19
  Speaker 14: go around the world taking what you want because you can,
• 40:22
  Speaker 14: and we kind of saw that with Maduro and Venezuela
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  Speaker 14: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Spot On Christian spot On never a dull moment with
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: your president. I look forward to keeping in test with
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: you throughout twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 14: Thank you, Chris.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Three more years of Trump. Lord knows what we'll see.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: We got to get to a break on the other
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: side on the Tuesday panel with Susio Broden Stevens Sena Tiampa.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: One thing we'll talk about is one nation surging.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: In the polls, bullying Hansen, eyeing some more big targets.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Lance got to our Tuesday channel now with two double
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: c Breakfast host Steven Senta Tampa joining us from Canberra,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and Susie O'Brien, national Education at a news Court papers.
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  Speaker 3: Great to catch up with both of you again in
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: I want to kick it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Off with some breaking news though I don't know whether
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you guys at Midnight Old Oil's fan from years gone by,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: but the famous Oil's drummer Rob Hurst has paid passed
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: away seventy years old?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Was Rob Hurst sadly passed away? Today? Here's Rob doing
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: what he did best.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to say, Susie, I might not agree with
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: their politics Midnight at all, but I always love their
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: music and he's a bit of a rock and rollic
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: on in this country.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Robhurst sad to hear about his passing.
• 41:54
  Speaker 17: Yeah, and he talked about his cancer diagnosis of quite
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: a few years ago in some of the most compelling
• 42:00
  Speaker 17: piece of TV I've ever seen. I had the pleasure
• 42:03
  Speaker 17: of being sweated on by Peter Garrett and the rest
• 42:06
  Speaker 17: of the Midnight Oil in the front bar front row
• 42:09
  Speaker 17: of the Uni Bar in Adelaide back in the nineteen eighties.
• 42:12
  Speaker 17: So yeah, it's a sad day for all the Oils
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: fans out there back.
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  Speaker 3: In the day, I'd venture I'd lay a wager Stephen
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: that you don't have any OILS albums on your shore.
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  Speaker 10: No, I actually do away, But look I didn't. I
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: didn't know Rob Hurst, but I'm very good friends with
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: his daughter, Jay. So my friends go out to her
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: and her husband Mark and their two little girls. And
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: she's originally an Adelaide girl, lives in Nashville now and
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: only found out that Rob was her dad a number
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: of years ago and they did reconnect and I'm glad
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: that she got to spend some time with him before
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: he passed.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, let's go out to Jay.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Great stuff, well said, Yeah, very very sad news for
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Australian music fans. Let's get back onto the horrible issue
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: of anti Semitism and Susie in your town. Overnight in Melbourne,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: what we saw on the streets of Saint Cuta is
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: just sickening. It's hard to believe this stuff is still
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: going on.
• 43:02
  Speaker 17: Oh, it's absolutely horrifying, and every single Jewish person in
• 43:06
  Speaker 17: Victoria around Australia is just terrified at the moment, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 17: with just cause you look at that footage. These boys
• 43:14
  Speaker 17: were outside of school outside of synagogue, a place that
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: was the target at an arson attack about a year ago,
• 43:22
  Speaker 17: and they were kind of these people were in this
• 43:25
  Speaker 17: white car yelling hateful slogans. Now the Victorian premiere is
• 43:30
  Speaker 17: saying that we've got the toughest hate laws in the country,
• 43:33
  Speaker 17: so let's see them used to work out who these
• 43:36
  Speaker 17: people are and bring the full force of the law
• 43:39
  Speaker 17: on them.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Stephen, this is not our country.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: We've had fifteen people shot dead on Bondo Beach, where
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I've got people scared to go out in public because they're.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Spotted as being Jewish.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I know some Jewish families have left the country they
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: feel they'll be safer in either the US or in Israel.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I know of Jewish mothers who are wondering about where
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: to send their children to school because if they send
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: them to Jewish schools, the fear they're sending them just
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: to terror targets. This is appalling, and yet we've got
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: a federal government passing gun laws as if that's.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Going to solve it. Well, it's extraordinary.
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: And when you say this is in our country, as
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: Dave Sharma said on the floor of the Senate today,
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: this is who we've become.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And the problem is we've.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: Had a government that has let anti Semitism run rampant
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: for the last two and a half years and then
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: we have the biggest terrorist attack we've ever had on
• 44:31
  Speaker 10: Australian soil and the response has been equally as appalling.
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: And as you say, we're passing gun laws today, that
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: federally going to mean nothing. I mean, the states and
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: territories might change their gun laws. That might make some
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: difference where the rubber hits the road, but anything that
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: happened in this place today or happens by the end
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: of tonight is going to make no material difference.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: But then when you have the Prime.
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: Minister stand up in Parliament and say, oh, it all
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: happened under the Morrison government, this bloke just will not
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: take responsibility for the environment that he's created for Jewish aliens.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: And what he's done is emboldened idiots. And I'm assuming
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: these are just idiots in this you not terrorist by
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: any stretch of the imagination. But he's emboldened anybody with
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: any sort of underlying anti Semitic view to behave like
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: this until we start to crack down on it. As
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: sus he said, and start to enforce the laws we've
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: already got in place. Well, this kind of thing is
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: going to keep happening.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just no sign of the right response yet.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: It's so frustrating. It makes me so angry. We'll keep
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: on it, SUSI. I want to keep getting you to
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: interpret Victoria for us. Tell us what's going on with
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: taxpayers money sprucing up Victorian prison cells.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: What's going on here?
• 45:42
  Speaker 17: Okay, So there is a guy who is in jail
• 45:45
  Speaker 17: for thirty eight years on murder and drug smuggling charges.
• 45:48
  Speaker 17: In that time he's been in jail, he has thrown
• 45:51
  Speaker 17: feace it is at an officer, he's tried to escape,
• 45:53
  Speaker 17: he's set fire into his jail cell. And yet he
• 45:56
  Speaker 17: is now successfully petitioned for more more fresh air, for
• 46:02
  Speaker 17: more light and air in his exercise yards, which some
• 46:06
  Speaker 17: people are pointing out quite rightly, that people use to escape.
• 46:09
  Speaker 17: And so it was a judge who had to go
• 46:12
  Speaker 17: into these exercise yards and she said, oh, yes, it
• 46:14
  Speaker 17: does feel quite enclosed. Well isn't the mind?
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Yes exactly curiously, Oh wow, So taxpayers have to make
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: the crims more comfortable.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just bizarre. That's Victoria in this day
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  Speaker 2: and age. Now, Stephen, I've got to get your thoughts
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: on one nation.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: We all know that according to news Polon's always the
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: most accurate poles, the one to take notice of. You've
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: got one nation actually ahead of the coalition, and now
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's looking at targeting David Little Proud in his
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: own seats. This can't be good for right of center politics.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: It's great for one nation, but sure I sense the
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: only benefit beneficiary of all this in the end will
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: be Labor and the Greens.
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, And I've got a feeling that Pauline Hanson understands
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: that I spoke to her this morning and she seems
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: a little bit more realistic about all of this than
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: I anticipated she would. One swallow doesn't make a spring, obviously,
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: but as you say, it says more about the coalition
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: parties that it does about one nation. And you know, well,
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: don't we wish we had a mensis that could bring
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: together all of the non labor parties again, but I
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: just don't see who that person is. But as you say,
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: all this is going to do is split the vote
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: on the right of center and deliver government to labor.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: For as long as it wants it. Yeah, this is
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the issue, isn't it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Susie's so much fracturing of the right of center vote.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Labour's primary vote really low historically, but they're ascendant because
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: there's so much confusion on the right of politics.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 17: The figures are fascinating. Thirty two percent for Labor, twenty
• 47:48
  Speaker 17: two percent for One Nation, twenty one percent for the Coalition.
• 47:52
  Speaker 17: I mean, who would have thought this two years ago.
• 47:55
  Speaker 17: It's just incredible. And Pauline Hanson is saying that people
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: know what they're going to get from her, and I
• 48:00
  Speaker 17: think this is a real reflection of the dilly dallying,
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: flip flopping that we've had from the Coalition. People don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 17: know what they stand for. They they know what they
• 48:09
  Speaker 17: stand for. I mean Little Proud is coming out and
• 48:12
  Speaker 17: saying people want a new direction, but he doesn't even
• 48:15
  Speaker 17: know what their new direction is going to be. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 17: in the meantime One Nation, which is you know, low immigration,
• 48:22
  Speaker 17: they'll you know, they saying if they get into government,
• 48:24
  Speaker 17: which will never happen, they will slash immigration, they will
• 48:28
  Speaker 17: slash net zero. People know what they stand for, and
• 48:31
  Speaker 17: at this point that seems attractive.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's some of the It's kind of
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: what we've been banging on about on this program for
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: the last many years. Steven, it's not rocket science that
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: these are not extreme positions, they're just they're just mainstream
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: conservative positions that is pulled back on immigration, focus on
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: electricity reliability and affordability rather than net zero, and crack
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: down on things like anti semitism and Islamist extremism, have
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: strong national secure If the Coalition had just been clearer
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: and stronger on these things consistently for the last few years,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: that'd be the ones sowing in the polls, not one nation.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: And the problem is is that one nation know the
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: why and the what, they don't necessarily have the ability
• 49:16
  Speaker 10: to deliver the how. That's what the Coalition should be
• 49:18
  Speaker 10: able to do, is the how. Because they're a party
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: of government or two parties of government, but because they've
• 49:24
  Speaker 10: lost direction, well, the why, what and how doesn't matter.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, guys. We'll keep giving them free
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: advice every Tuesday.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: CCO Brian and Stiff Senate Senate to MPO there from Camber. Now,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I just want to share some of your feedback from
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: what I had to say last night about the Bondai
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: terrorist attack. Jeff says that Albert Ezi and his government
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: are an absolute disgrace. His inability to call out radical
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Islam speaks volumes. Another viewer says, as a true blue Aussie,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I'm totally disgusted by where this country is going. Well,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Mike says the government must be held accountable. This down
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: fall must come to an end. Time for a weak
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: people to be pushed aside, and Stan says it wouldn't
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: matter how often you mentioned it, Chris, it falls on
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: dumb death ears. How sad, we'll keep trying to bring
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: their attention to the reality all the same, Thanks for
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: joining me.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Here's Peter Kreedlin.