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  Speaker 1: Book six, chapters six and seven of the Wars of
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  Speaker 1: by Josephus, translated by William Wiston, Chapters six and seven.
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  Speaker 1: Chapter six, How the Romans carried their ensigns to the
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  Speaker 1: temple and made joyful acclamations to Titus. The speech that
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  Speaker 1: Titus made to the Jews when they made supplication for mercy,
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  Speaker 1: What reply they made there too, and how that reply
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  Speaker 1: moved Titus's indignation against them. One and now the Romans,
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  Speaker 1: upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and
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  Speaker 1: upon the burning of the Holy House itself and of
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  Speaker 1: all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to
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  Speaker 1: the Temple and set them over against its eastern gate. Footnote.
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  Speaker 1: Take Havercamp's note here. This says he is a remarkable
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  Speaker 1: place and Tertullian truly says in his ologetic that the
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  Speaker 1: entire religion of the Roman camp almost consisted in worshiping
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  Speaker 1: the ensigns, in swearing by the ensigns, and in preferring
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  Speaker 1: the ensigns before all the other gods. See what Havercamp
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  Speaker 1: says upon that place of Tertullian and footnote. And there
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  Speaker 1: did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they
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  Speaker 1: make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy. Footnote.
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  Speaker 1: This declaring Titus Imperator by the soldiers upon such signal
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  Speaker 1: success and the slaughter of such a vast number of enemies,
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  Speaker 1: was according to the usual practice of the Romans in
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  Speaker 1: like cases, as Reland assures us on this place and footnote.
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  Speaker 1: And now all the soldiers had such vast quantities of
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  Speaker 1: the spoils which they had gotten by plunder, that in
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  Speaker 1: Syria a pound weight of gold was sold for half
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  Speaker 1: its former value. But as for those priests that kept
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  Speaker 1: themselves still upon the wall of the Holy house footnote,
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  Speaker 1: the Jews of later times agree with Josephus that there
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  Speaker 1: were hiding places or secret chambers about the Holy House,
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  Speaker 1: as Reland here informs us where he thinks he has
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  Speaker 1: found these very walls described by them, and footnote. There
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  Speaker 1: was a boy, that, out of the thirst he was in,
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  Speaker 1: desired some of the Roman guards to give him their
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  Speaker 1: right hands as a security for his life, and confessed
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  Speaker 1: he was very thirsty. These guards commiserated his age and
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  Speaker 1: the distress he was in, and gave him their right hands. Accordingly,
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  Speaker 1: so he came down himself and drank some water, and
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  Speaker 1: filled the vessel he had with him when he came
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  Speaker 1: to them with water, and then went off and fled
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  Speaker 1: away to his own friends. Nor could any of these
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  Speaker 1: guards overtake him. But still they reproached him for his perfidiousness,
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  Speaker 1: to which he made this answer, I have not broken
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  Speaker 1: the agreement, for the security I had given me was
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  Speaker 1: not in order to my staying with you, but only
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  Speaker 1: in order to my coming down safely and taking up
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  Speaker 1: some water, both which things I have performed, and thereupon
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  Speaker 1: think myself to have been faithful to my engagement. Thereupon,
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  Speaker 1: those whom the child had imposed upon admired at his cunning,
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  Speaker 1: and that on account of his age. On the fifth
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  Speaker 1: day afterward, the priests that were pined with the famine
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  Speaker 1: came down, and when they were brought to Titus by
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  Speaker 1: the guards, they begged for their lives. But he replied
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  Speaker 1: that the time of pardon was over as to them,
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  Speaker 1: and that this very holy house on whose account only
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  Speaker 1: they could justly hope to be preserved, was destroyed, and
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  Speaker 1: that it was agreeable to their office that priests should
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  Speaker 1: perish with the house itself to which they belonged. So
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  Speaker 1: he ordered them to be put to death. Two. But
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  Speaker 1: as for the tyrants themselves and those that were there
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  Speaker 1: with them, when they found that they were encompassed on
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  Speaker 1: every side, and as it were, walled around without any
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  Speaker 1: method of escaping, they desired to treat with Titus by
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  Speaker 1: word of mouth. Accordingly, such was the kindness of his
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  Speaker 1: nature and his desire for preserving the city from destruction.
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  Speaker 1: Joined to the advice of his friends, who now thought
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  Speaker 1: the robbers were come to a temper, that he placed
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  Speaker 1: himself on the western side of the outer court of
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  Speaker 1: the temple, For there were gates on that side above
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  Speaker 1: the Zistus, and a bridge that connected the upper city
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  Speaker 1: to the temple. This bridge, it was, that lay between
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  Speaker 1: the tyrants and Caesar, and parted them, while the multitude
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  Speaker 1: stood on each side, those of the Jewish nation about
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  Speaker 1: Cinrin and John with great hopes of pardon, and the
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  Speaker 1: Romans about Caesar in great expectation how Titus would receive
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  Speaker 1: their supplication so Titus charged his soldiers to restrain their
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  Speaker 1: rage and to let their darts alone, and appointed an
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  Speaker 1: interpreter between them, which was a sign that he was
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  Speaker 1: the conqueror, and first began the discourse and said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you, sirs are now satiated with the miseries
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  Speaker 1: of your country, who have not had any just notions
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  Speaker 1: either of our great power or of your own great weakness,
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  Speaker 1: but have, like madmen, after a violent and inconsiderate manner,
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  Speaker 1: made such attempts as have brought your people, your city,
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  Speaker 1: and your holy house to destruction. You have been the
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  Speaker 1: men that have never left off rebelling since Pompei first
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  Speaker 1: conquered you, and have since that time made open war
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  Speaker 1: with the Romans. Have you depended on your multitude while
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  Speaker 1: a very small part of the Roman soldiery have been
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  Speaker 1: strong enough for you? Have you relied on the fidelity
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  Speaker 1: of your confederates? And what nations are there out of
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  Speaker 1: the limits of our dominion that would choose to assist
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  Speaker 1: the Jews before the Romans. Are your bodies stronger than ours? Nay,
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  Speaker 1: you know that the strong Germans themselves are our servants.
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  Speaker 1: Have you stronger walls than we have pray, what greater
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  Speaker 1: obstacle is there than the wall of the ocean with
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  Speaker 1: which the Britons are encompassed. And yet do adore the
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  Speaker 1: arms of the Romans. Do you exceed us in courage
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  Speaker 1: of soul and in the sagacity of your commanders? Nay, indeed,
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  Speaker 1: you cannot but know that the very Carthaginians have been
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  Speaker 1: conquered by us. It can therefore be nothing, certainly but
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  Speaker 1: the kindness of us Romans, which hath excited you against us,
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  Speaker 1: who in the first place have given you this land
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  Speaker 1: to possess, and in the second place have set over
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  Speaker 1: you kings of your own nation, and in the third
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  Speaker 1: place have preserved the laws of your forefathers to you,
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  Speaker 1: and have withal permitted you to live either by yourselves
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  Speaker 1: or among others, as it should please you. And what
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  Speaker 1: is our chief favor of all we have given you
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  Speaker 1: leave to gather up that tribute which is paid to God,
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  Speaker 1: with such other gifts that are dedicated to Him. Footnote.
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  Speaker 1: Spanheim notes here that the Romans used to permit the
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  Speaker 1: Jews to collect their sacred tribute and send it to Jerusalem,
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  Speaker 1: of which we have had abundant evidence in Josephus already
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  Speaker 1: on other occasions and footnote, nor have we called those
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  Speaker 1: that carried these donations to account, nor prohibited them till
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  Speaker 1: at length you became richer than we ourselves, even when
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  Speaker 1: you were our enemies, and you made preparations for war
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  Speaker 1: against us with our own money. Nay, after all, when
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  Speaker 1: you were in the enjoyment of all these advantages, you
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  Speaker 1: turned your too great plenty against those that gave it you,
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  Speaker 1: and like merciless serpents, have thrown out your poison against
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  Speaker 1: those that treated you kindly. I suppose therefore, that you
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  Speaker 1: must despise the slothfulness of Nero, and like limbs of
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  Speaker 1: the body that are or dislocated, you did then lie
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  Speaker 1: quiet waiting for some other time, though still with a
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  Speaker 1: malicious intention, and have now showed your distemper to be
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  Speaker 1: greater than ever, and have extended your desires as far
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  Speaker 1: as your impudent and immense hopes would enable you to
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  Speaker 1: do it. At this time, my father came into this
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  Speaker 1: country not with a design to punish you for what
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  Speaker 1: you had done under Cestius, but to admonish you, for
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  Speaker 1: had he come to overthrow your nation, he had run
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  Speaker 1: directly to your fountain head, and had immediately laid this
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  Speaker 1: city waste, whereas he went and burnt Galilee and the
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  Speaker 1: neighboring parts, and thereby gave you time for repentance. Which
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  Speaker 1: instance of humanity you took for an argument of his
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  Speaker 1: weakness and nourished up your impudence by our mildness. When
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  Speaker 1: Nero was gone out of the world, you did as
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  Speaker 1: the wickedest wretches would have done, and encouraged yourselves to
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  Speaker 1: act against us by our civil dissensions, and abused that
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  Speaker 1: time when both I and my father were gone away
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  Speaker 1: to Egypt to make preparations for this war. Nor were
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  Speaker 1: you ashamed to raise disturbances against us when we were
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  Speaker 1: made emperors, and this while you had experienced how mild
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  Speaker 1: we had been when we were no more than generals
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  Speaker 1: of the army. But when the government was devolved upon us,
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  Speaker 1: and all other people did thereupon lie quiet, and even
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  Speaker 1: foreign nations sent embassies and congratulated our access to the government.
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  Speaker 1: Then did you Jews, show yourselves to be our enemies.
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  Speaker 1: You sent embassies to those of your nation that are
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  Speaker 1: beyond Euphrates to assist you in your raising disturbances. New
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  Speaker 1: walls were built by you. Round your city, seditions arose,
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  Speaker 1: and one tyrant contented against another, and a civil war
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  Speaker 1: broke out among you. Such indeed as become none but
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  Speaker 1: so wicked a people as you are. I then came
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  Speaker 1: to this city, as unwillingly sent by my father, and
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  Speaker 1: received melancholy injunctions from him. When I heard that the
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  Speaker 1: people were disposed to peace, I rejoiced at it. I
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  Speaker 1: exhorted you to leave off these proceedings. Before I began
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  Speaker 1: this war. I spared you, even when you had fought
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  Speaker 1: against me a great while. I gave my right hand
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  Speaker 1: a security to the deserters. I observed what I had
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  Speaker 1: promised faithfully when they fled to me. I had compassion
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  Speaker 1: on many of those that I had taken captive. I
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  Speaker 1: tortured those that were eager for war in order to
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  Speaker 1: restrain them. It was unwillingly that I brought my engines
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  Speaker 1: of war against your walls. I always prohibited my soldiers
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  Speaker 1: when they were set upon your slaughter, from their severity
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  Speaker 1: against you. After every victory, I persuaded you to peace,
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  Speaker 1: as though I had been myself conquered. When I came
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  Speaker 1: near your temple, I again departed from the laws of war.
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  Speaker 1: And exhorted you to spare your own sanctuary and to
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  Speaker 1: preserve your holy house to yourselves. I allowed you a
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  Speaker 1: quiet exit out of it and security for your preservation. Nay,
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  Speaker 1: if you had a mind, I gave you leave to
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  Speaker 1: fight in another place. Yet have you still despised every
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  Speaker 1: one of my proposals and have set fire to your
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  Speaker 1: holy house with your own hands? And now, vile wretches?
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  Speaker 1: Do you desire to treat with me by word of mouth?
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  Speaker 1: To what purpose is it that you would save such
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  Speaker 1: a holy house as this was, which is now destroyed?
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  Speaker 1: What preservation can you now desire after the destruction of
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  Speaker 1: your temple? Yet? Do you stand still at this very
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  Speaker 1: time in your armor? Nor can you bring yourself so
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  Speaker 1: much as to pretend to be supplicants even in this
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  Speaker 1: your utmost extremity, Oh, miserable creatures, what is it you
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  Speaker 1: depend on? Are not your people? Dead? Is not your
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  Speaker 1: holy house gone? Is not your city in my power?
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  Speaker 1: And are not your own varied lives in my hands?
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  Speaker 1: And do you still deem it a part of valor
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  Speaker 1: to die? However? I will not intimate your madness if
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  Speaker 1: you throw down your arms and deliver up your bodies
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  Speaker 1: to me, I grant you your lives, and I will
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  Speaker 1: act like a mild master of a family. What cannot
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  Speaker 1: be healed shall be punished, and the rest I will
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  Speaker 1: preserve for my own use. End three to that offer
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  Speaker 1: of Titus, they made this reply that they could not
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  Speaker 1: accept of it, because they had sworn never to do so.
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  Speaker 1: But they desired they might have leave to go through
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  Speaker 1: the wall that had been made about them with their
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  Speaker 1: wives and children. For that they would go into the
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  Speaker 1: desert and leave the city to him. At this Titus
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  Speaker 1: had great indignation that when they were, in the case
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  Speaker 1: of men already taken captives, they should pretend to make
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  Speaker 1: their own terms with him, as if they had been conquerors.
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  Speaker 1: So he ordered this proclamation to be made to them,
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  Speaker 1: that they should no more come out to him as deserters,
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  Speaker 1: nor hope for any further security, For that he would
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  Speaker 1: henceforth spare nobody but fight them with his whole army,
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  Speaker 1: and that they must save themselves as well as they could,
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  Speaker 1: For that he would from henceforth treat them according to
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  Speaker 1: the laws of war. So he gave orders to the
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  Speaker 1: soldiers both to burn and to plunder the city. Who
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  Speaker 1: did nothing indeed that day. But on the next day
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  Speaker 1: they set fire to the repository of the archives, to Acra,
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  Speaker 1: to the council house, and to the place called Ophlas,
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  Speaker 1: at which time the fire proceeded did as far as
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  Speaker 1: the palace of Queen Helena, which was in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of Acra. The lanes also were burnt down, as were
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  Speaker 1: also those houses that were full of the dead bodies
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  Speaker 1: of such as were destroyed by famine. Four. On the
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  Speaker 1: same day, it was that the sons and brethren of
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  Speaker 1: Izatees the King, together with many others of the eminent
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  Speaker 1: men of the populace, got together there and besought Caesar
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  Speaker 1: to give them his right hand for their security. Though
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  Speaker 1: he was very angry at all that were now remaining,
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  Speaker 1: yet he did not lay aside his old moderation, but
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  Speaker 1: received these men at that time. Indeed, he kept them
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  Speaker 1: all in custody, but still bound the king's sons and kinsmen,
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  Speaker 1: and led them with him to Rome in order to
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  Speaker 1: make them hostages for their country's fidelity to the Romans.
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  Speaker 1: Chapter seven. What afterward befell the seditious, when they had
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  Speaker 1: done a great deal of mischief and suffered many misfortunes,
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  Speaker 1: as also how Caesar became master of the upper city.
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  Speaker 1: One and now the seditious rushed into the royal palace
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  Speaker 1: into which they had put their effects because it was
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  Speaker 1: so strong, and drove the Romans away from it. They
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  Speaker 1: also slew all the people that had crowded into it,
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  Speaker 1: who were in number about eight thousand, four hundred, and
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  Speaker 1: plundered them of what they had. They also took two
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  Speaker 1: of the Romans alive, the one was a horseman and
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  Speaker 1: the other a footman. They then cut the throat of
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  Speaker 1: the footmen, and immediately had him drawn through the whole city,
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  Speaker 1: as revenging themselves upon the whole body of the Romans
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  Speaker 1: by this one instance. But the horsemen said he had
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  Speaker 1: somewhat to suggest to them in order to their preservation.
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  Speaker 1: Whereupon he was brought before Simon, but he having nothing
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  Speaker 1: to say when he was there, he was delivered to Ardalus,
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  Speaker 1: one of his commanders, to be punished, who bound his
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  Speaker 1: hands behind him and put a riband over his eyes,
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  Speaker 1: and then brought him out over against the Romans, as
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  Speaker 1: intending to cut off his head. But the man prevented
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  Speaker 1: that execution and ran away to the Romans. And this
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  Speaker 1: while the Jewish executioner was drawing out his sword when
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  Speaker 1: he was gotten away from the enemy. Titus could not
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  Speaker 1: think of putting him to death, but because he deemed
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  Speaker 1: him unworthy of being a Roman soldier any longer, on
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  Speaker 1: account that he had been taken alive by the enemy,
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  Speaker 1: he took away his arms and ejected him out of
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  Speaker 1: the legion whereto he had belonged, which to one that
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  Speaker 1: had a sense of shame, was a penalty severer than
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  Speaker 1: death itself. Two On the next day, the Romans drove
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  Speaker 1: the robbers out of the lower city and set all
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  Speaker 1: on fire as far as sloam. These soldiers were indeed
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  Speaker 1: glad to see the city destroyed, but they missed the
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  Speaker 1: plunder because the seditious had carried off all their effects
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  Speaker 1: and were retired into the upper city. For they did
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  Speaker 1: not yet at all repent of the mischiefs they had done,
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  Speaker 1: but were insolent as if they had done well. For
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  Speaker 1: as they saw the city on fire, they appeared cheerful
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  Speaker 1: and put on joyful countenances in expectation, as they said,
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  Speaker 1: of death to end their miseries. Accordingly, as the people
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  Speaker 1: were now slain, the holy house was burnt down, and
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  Speaker 1: the city was on fire. There was nothing further left
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  Speaker 1: for the enemy to do. Yet did not Josephus grow
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  Speaker 1: weary even in this utmost extremity, to beg to them
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  Speaker 1: to spare what was left of the city. He spoke
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  Speaker 1: largely to them about their barbarity and impiety, and gave
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  Speaker 1: them his advice in order to their escape, though he
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  Speaker 1: gained nothing thereby more than to be laughed at by them.
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  Speaker 1: And as they could not think of surrendering themselves up
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  Speaker 1: because of the oath they had taken, nor were strong
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  Speaker 1: enough to fight with the Romans any longer. Upon the square,
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  Speaker 1: as being surrounded on all sides, and a kind of
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  Speaker 1: prisoners already, Yet they were so accustomed to kill people
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  Speaker 1: that they could not restrain their right hands from acting Accordingly,
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  Speaker 1: So they dispersed themselves before the city and laid themselves
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  Speaker 1: in ambush among its ruins, to catch those that attempted
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  Speaker 1: to desert to the Romans. Accordingly, many such deserters were
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  Speaker 1: caught by them and were all slain. For these were
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  Speaker 1: too weak by reason of their want of food, to
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  Speaker 1: fly away from them, so their dead bodies were thrown
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  Speaker 1: to the dogs. Now every other sort of death was
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  Speaker 1: thought more tolerable than the famine, insomuch that though the
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  Speaker 1: Jews despaired now of mercy, yet would they fly to
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  Speaker 1: the Romans, and would themselves, even of their own accord,
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  Speaker 1: fall among the murderous rebels. Also, nor was there any
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  Speaker 1: place in the city that had no dead bodies in it,
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  Speaker 1: but what was entirely covered with those that were killed,
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  Speaker 1: either by the famine or the rebellion, And all was
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  Speaker 1: full of the dead bodies of such as had perished
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  Speaker 1: either by that sedition or by that famine. Three. So
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  Speaker 1: now the last hope which supported the tyrants and that
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  Speaker 1: crew of robbers who were with them, was in the
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  Speaker 1: caves and caverns underground, whither if they could once fly,
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  Speaker 1: they did not expect to be searched for, but endeavored
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  Speaker 1: that after the whole city should be destroyed and the
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  Speaker 1: Romans gone away, they might come out again and escape
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  Speaker 1: from them. This was no better than a dream of theirs,
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  Speaker 1: for they were not able to lie hid, either from
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  Speaker 1: God or from the Romans. However, they depended on these
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  Speaker 1: underground subterfuges, and set more places on fire than did
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  Speaker 1: the Romans themselves, and those that fled out of their
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  Speaker 1: houses thus set on fire into the ditches, they killed
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  Speaker 1: without mercy, and pillaged them also, And if they discovered
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  Speaker 1: food belonging to any one, they seized upon it and
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  Speaker 1: swallowed it down, together with their blood also. Nay, they
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  Speaker 1: were now come to fight one with another about their plunder,
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  Speaker 1: And I cannot but think that had not their destruction
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  Speaker 1: prevented it, their barbarity would have made them taste of
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  Speaker 1: even the dead bodies themselves. End of Books six, Chapters
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: six and seven.