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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Rich DeMuro | The Jobless Boom · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 2: FI AM six forty bill Handle. Here it is a
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday Morning, August eighteenth, and that means it's a text
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  Speaker 2: segment with Rich Murrow.
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  Speaker 3: Thank god.
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  Speaker 3: Thank god? What the feature is?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: No, that is a promo, know, Rich? That is so
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  Speaker 2: much a promo now and I think, kno, how does
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  Speaker 2: Rich to Murrow feel about his tech segment?
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  Speaker 3: Thank god? All right, Rich to Morrow? Of course.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you could have been really embarrassed. This could
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  Speaker 2: be naked, This could have been naked guns.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The website is rich on Tech dot TV h the
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  Speaker 2: uh show Rich on Tech right here on KFI Saturday's
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  Speaker 2: eleven to two pm on Instagram at rich on Tech
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  Speaker 2: and good morning Rich. Do we have a bunch of topics? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: starting with AI companies buying and destroying old books.
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  Speaker 3: What is that about?
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  Speaker 4: How wild is this? So you've got, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: most advanced technology in the world, AI that is relying
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  Speaker 4: on old books just being consumed by computers that scan them.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a whole bunch of reports out there that
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  Speaker 4: AI companies are just buying up physical books like crazy.
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  Speaker 4: They cut off the spines, they scan them, of course,
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  Speaker 4: destroying the books in the process because they want to
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  Speaker 4: train their AI models. And the reports that even old,
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  Speaker 4: rare and out of print books are all swept up
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  Speaker 4: in this, and it's pretty wild because you know, why
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  Speaker 4: do they want these old books? We'll think about it.
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  Speaker 4: Books are written by humans. Older books especially were around
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  Speaker 4: before AI, so this actually gives you a good idea
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  Speaker 4: of how thoughts and topics were presented before AI got
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  Speaker 4: involved in just about every aspect of the editing process.
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  Speaker 4: So I think people don't necessarily have an issue with
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  Speaker 4: this with you know, new books and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's the old books, the rare books, the out
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  Speaker 4: of print books that these companies are gobbling up and
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  Speaker 4: destroying that some people are like, ah, that's a little odd.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So here is a question.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who's crazy enough to give up
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  Speaker 2: a rare book and early print something that is really
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  Speaker 2: in demand. I can certainly see old books that are
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  Speaker 2: in print that are falling apart, for example, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a problem with that, But are AI companies spending
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  Speaker 2: enough money to where they are buying old, rare books.
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  Speaker 2: Is that being caught up in this whole influx.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean according to some of these reports. They
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  Speaker 4: had one report of this bookseller in I believe it
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  Speaker 4: was in London and they were basically saying they might sell,
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  Speaker 4: you know, two or three thousand books a month, and
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  Speaker 4: they got an order in one day from one of
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  Speaker 4: the AI companies for like thousands of rare books in
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  Speaker 4: one day, Like they sold more than their whole month's
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  Speaker 4: allotment in one day. And so I guess they are
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  Speaker 4: finding the rare books, they are seeking them out. To
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  Speaker 4: your point, Yes, if someone has a one time copy
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  Speaker 4: of something, I doubt they're going to hand it over
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  Speaker 4: to anthropic to cut off the spine and scan all
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  Speaker 4: the pages. But some of these books that you know,
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  Speaker 4: there might be limited copies available around the world, that's
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  Speaker 4: what they want to get their hands on. And so
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  Speaker 4: it's not just the major mass market paperbacks and textbooks
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  Speaker 4: that they're looking for. They are going after some of
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  Speaker 4: the more rare finds because think about it, the more
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  Speaker 4: that they can feed into these AI models, the better
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  Speaker 4: they get and the more perspective they have from the past.
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  Speaker 4: So it makes a lot of sense. It's just kind
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  Speaker 4: of an odd thing that's going on in our world
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  Speaker 4: that people may not realize. How are these companies being trained.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just the Internet. They're hungry for more information
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  Speaker 4: that may not be online just yet.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here's the story I want to cover. Also, Uber
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  Speaker 2: Eats is getting into the drone delivery. Now, these I
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  Speaker 2: guess pilots now have to be really really small to
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  Speaker 2: fly those drones, don't they.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, they are only finding the tiniest of humans to
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  Speaker 4: get inside. They look like Lego figurines. You pop them
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  Speaker 4: in there they drive these things. This is Uber rates
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  Speaker 4: teaming up with a company called Zipline and what we've
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  Speaker 4: noticed Uber doing, and they're kind of taking an approach
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  Speaker 4: to transportation where they don't necessarily need to own or
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  Speaker 4: run all of the platforms or technology that they're using.
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  Speaker 4: More and more, they are just saying, Okay, you do robots,
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  Speaker 4: we'll take your technology. You do drones, we'll take your technology.
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  Speaker 4: You do self driving cars, we'll take your technology, and
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  Speaker 4: they incorporate it into their app. So they are almost
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  Speaker 4: like a kayak for transportation. However, you want to get
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  Speaker 4: the last mile, they will work with you to bring
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  Speaker 4: it to your front door. And so that's what they're
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  Speaker 4: doing with this company called Zipline, one of the biggest
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  Speaker 4: drone delivery companies out there, already working with other major
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  Speaker 4: companies to deliver things like burritos and medicine and all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of stuff around the country. This is going to
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  Speaker 4: be the first time they're partnering with Uber Eats. Their
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  Speaker 4: goal is one million drone deliveries per day by the
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  Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty nine, and they would basically just
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  Speaker 4: zipline this thing down to your sidewalk or your backyard
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  Speaker 4: and you'd get your burrito burrito.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of pizza.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the thought of getting a hot slice of pizza,
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  Speaker 2: because I order pizza all the time, and at best
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  Speaker 2: it is warm when it is delivered. Yeah, and nice
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  Speaker 2: hot pizza.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man.
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  Speaker 2: There is a pizza place that I go to because
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  Speaker 2: I don't have it delivered, which is the best pizza
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  Speaker 2: I've ever had in the US. And you have to
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  Speaker 2: go there and have it hot right out of the oven,
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  Speaker 2: otherwise it just doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: So I can see that the pizza. I really can't.
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  Speaker 4: These deliveries are going to take five to ten minutes
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  Speaker 4: versus up to a half an hour with traditional methods.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and usually it's thirty five to forty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: If you go to Domino's and and Neil and I
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  Speaker 2: both love their pan pizza, and that is worth it.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to get a hot, hot pan pizza. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you've been testing a smartphone that you can repair yourself. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: explain that one to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is kind of a long time coming in
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  Speaker 4: the US. We know that phones have gotten more sealed
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  Speaker 4: up as time has gone on, tougher to replace parts yourself,
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  Speaker 4: like a battery. But this is a company called fair Phone.
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  Speaker 4: They have been selling smartphones in Europe for a while
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  Speaker 4: now and they've been repairable and now for the first
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  Speaker 4: time they are bringing this to the US. So they
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  Speaker 4: sent me one. It's called the fair Phone Gen six.
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  Speaker 4: It's about six hundred and fifty dollars. And when something breaks,
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  Speaker 4: guess what you can actually repair it yourself. It comes
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  Speaker 4: to the mini screwdriver. So there's twelve things you can replace,
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  Speaker 4: including the screen, ninety dollars for the replacement part, new battery,
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  Speaker 4: forty dollars, replacement usbcport about twenty dollars, and I fix It,
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  Speaker 4: which is the company that does all the teardowns of
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  Speaker 4: every single gadget that comes out. They give it a
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  Speaker 4: ten out of ten for repair ability. This is an
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  Speaker 4: Android phone. Again, I'm still working through. It's still testing it.
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  Speaker 4: But it looks like an iPhone. And yeah, there's screws
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  Speaker 4: on the back you can take off. I have not
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  Speaker 4: done that yet, but I will to see how it
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  Speaker 4: all works.
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  Speaker 3: How sophisticated is it?
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  Speaker 2: What kind of features does it not have that your
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  Speaker 2: iPhone or high end Samsung would have.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the specs are actually pretty good. The processor
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  Speaker 4: is not the latest, greatest. It's a Snapdragon, which is
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's fine. It's not like the best one
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  Speaker 4: that's in the Samsung. It's got twelve gigs of RAM,
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  Speaker 4: which is actually quite good. Today's smartphones typically have between
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  Speaker 4: twelve and sixteen. It's got a nice six point three
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  Speaker 4: inch screen o lead which is the latest, greatest technology.
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  Speaker 4: It's got a fifty megapixel main camera. It also has
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  Speaker 4: i know, expandable storage, which everyone calls into my radio
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  Speaker 4: and show and says, rich, can I find a phone
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  Speaker 4: with expandable storage. It's nearly impossible these days, but yes,
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  Speaker 4: this has it, and it's got the not the latest
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  Speaker 4: version of Android, but a pretty good version. And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, they say that the support for this phone
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  Speaker 4: is going to be for a couple of years, like
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  Speaker 4: you're going to get support through like I mean, they're
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  Speaker 4: saying twenty thirty three. That seems insane, but there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, how many people actually use the features and what
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  Speaker 2: the newer smartphones offer.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't even come close to using
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  Speaker 2: what it offers with my iPhone.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's two yeah, I think there's two types
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  Speaker 4: of people here in the US. It's people like myself,
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  Speaker 4: power users that want the latest, greatest everything you can
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  Speaker 4: use on your phone. They know all the features, they
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  Speaker 4: know the ins and outs. And then there's everyone else,
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  Speaker 4: which is basically, you know, the average person that just
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  Speaker 4: wants to take a picture, they want to send a text,
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  Speaker 4: they want to serve social media. And that's fine. And
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  Speaker 4: that's why again we've talked about this, This is why
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  Speaker 4: people are keeping their phones for so long, Because I know, Bill,
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  Speaker 4: you said you just recently got a new phone. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: are you sitting there going, oh my gosh, this phone
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  Speaker 4: has all these features that my old one didn't. No,
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  Speaker 4: it probably takes a slightly better picture, and it's slightly faster.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically it. And I don't care, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the only the only pictures that I take. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to go into those pictures because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get arrested.
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  Speaker 3: For a lot of them. But I don't.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't use it at all, and yet
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  Speaker 2: I keep on buying new ones because everything I touch
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  Speaker 2: there's an aura about me that even my wife will
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  Speaker 2: tell you. Anything I touch electronically sort of falls apart.
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  Speaker 2: It's very strange, doesn't work well. But do you know
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  Speaker 2: all the features of the phone? I had a BMW,
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  Speaker 2: for example, an EV which I just got rid of.
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  Speaker 2: It has seven hundred features on it. I asked the
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  Speaker 2: people there when I had it repaired. Does anybody know
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  Speaker 2: the car what it can do?
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  Speaker 3: Nope? How about the people that who program it? Nope.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody knows everything that it does because they build it
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  Speaker 2: in segments. As far as programming is concerned, I'm assuming
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  Speaker 2: that's the same thing with sophisticated phones.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look to get into infotainment systems on cars,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone, no mere mortal can figure those out.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if if you can connect your phone to
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  Speaker 4: Bluetooth in your car, you're doing better than the ninety
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  Speaker 4: nine percent of the US. So I think those are
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  Speaker 4: tricky because those those systems are overly complicated. They have
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  Speaker 4: to run the car, which is a whole other can
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  Speaker 4: of worms. Give me CarPlay, give me you know, give
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  Speaker 4: me Android Auto. I'd be happy with that. But when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to phones. Bill, you know, I wrote a
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  Speaker 4: book a couple of years ago on the iPhone, and
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  Speaker 4: I'll never forget the whole reason I wrote it was
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  Speaker 4: because I did a segment on TV where I showed
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  Speaker 4: literally the simplest feature ever. It was the fact that
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  Speaker 4: you could use your phone to zoom in on a
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  Speaker 4: menu and it could magnify it, and people had no
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  Speaker 4: idea there's a magnifying glass built into the iPhone. And
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  Speaker 4: it was like one of the most popular segments. I did.
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  Speaker 4: Took no work and I was like, okay, and I
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  Speaker 4: did one hundred more tips. People, you know, they couldn't
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  Speaker 4: get enough of the book because they're like, I can't
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  Speaker 4: believe my phone can do all these things and it's
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  Speaker 4: still that way. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm finding out stuff every day, and of course I
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  Speaker 2: forget it right afterwards, but I find it astounding. All right,
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  Speaker 2: Rich will catch you the Saturday eleven o'clock right here
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  Speaker 2: on KFI. Rich on Tech dot tv is Rich's website
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  Speaker 2: Instagram at rich on Tech.
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  Speaker 3: Catch you next way go. Actually, I'll catch you this
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  Speaker 3: weekend on your show.
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  Speaker 4: All right, all right, thanks Bill.
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  Speaker 2: Take care if you listen to my commercials, which hopefully
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  Speaker 2: you do. I do a commercial for Leer Capital the
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  Speaker 2: people that buy sell hold gold for you, and usually
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  Speaker 2: during the course of the commercial will talk about how
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  Speaker 2: absolutely crazy the economy is and son of it makes
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  Speaker 2: some of it makes no sense. So the chief executive
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  Speaker 2: of Stripe, which is a digital payments company, Patrick Collusion.
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  Speaker 3: Collision Collison.
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  Speaker 2: Has one point five million followers on x And what
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  Speaker 2: he did is he took a survey. Thirteen thousand people
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  Speaker 2: took the survey, and on average, they expect economic growth
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  Speaker 2: to double over the next five years. Economic growth to double,
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  Speaker 2: employment to fall by around eight percent. And this is
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  Speaker 2: known as the AI optimist scenario, where AI vastly increases
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  Speaker 2: economic output while making tens of millions of workers redundant,
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  Speaker 2: don't need them. And here's the issue. Employment never collapses
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  Speaker 2: by that much, and so when output is skyrocketing, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: But they never had AI before, and AI can produce
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot more for a lot less. Remember when
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  Speaker 2: cars were being manufactured and there were thousands of people
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  Speaker 2: in a car manufacturing facility, two three thousand workers. Today
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  Speaker 2: you can build a car with fourteen people. Everything is
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  Speaker 2: roboticized danger Will Robinson. Everything is by robots, the painting,
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  Speaker 2: the welding, the assembly, very few people. And that it
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  Speaker 2: killed the car industry in terms of employment. And cars
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  Speaker 2: are better built there Theoretically cheaper would be because labor
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  Speaker 2: is way down, but you have other issues involved. The
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  Speaker 2: magnitude aren't what matters. It's the direction that it's all going.
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  Speaker 2: So a jobless boom once seemed far fetched because the
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  Speaker 2: economy was growing and people were getting all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: jobs outside of the jobs that could be done with robots.
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  Speaker 2: But nope, no longer does. We're in a jobless boom
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  Speaker 2: right now now. Real inflation adust adjusted gross domestic product
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  Speaker 2: that's how you measure a country.
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  Speaker 3: Everything that it produces, it sells.
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  Speaker 2: Manufacturers that average two point one percent last year, that
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  Speaker 2: was in line with the previous year. This year it's
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  Speaker 2: one point five in the second quarter, which is terrible.
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  Speaker 2: So you have unemployment, which is god awful. You have
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  Speaker 2: gross to much domestic product, which is god awful. The
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  Speaker 2: stock market is delivering a completely different picture. Even through
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  Speaker 2: tariffs and war and higher oil prices disappointing GDP, it
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  Speaker 2: is going to rise thirteen percent, or it did so
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  Speaker 2: far this year.
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  Speaker 3: That is astronomical.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, stops went to recordize after Treasury Secretary Scott
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  Speaker 2: percent said the US and Iran. US and Iran could
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  Speaker 2: strike a deal to open up the straight of horror
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  Speaker 2: moves in a day or two, and stock market reacted,
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  Speaker 2: oh boy.
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  Speaker 3: We're now going to have the straight opened. Do we
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  Speaker 3: have the straight open? Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: But the problem is, and I don't get it at all,
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  Speaker 2: is at what point does the market stop believing what
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  Speaker 2: the administration is saying. Every time the administration says, oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: we're on the verge, stocks go up, Oh boy, Iran
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  Speaker 2: is desperate to get a deal. Stocks go up. Oh
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  Speaker 2: gas prices are down. Even though they're up, stocks go up. Teriffs,
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  Speaker 2: they're kicking in stocks go up, and when we realize
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  Speaker 2: or know that the strait is still closed, stocks go
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  Speaker 2: down a little tiny bit. And then when we're told that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the deal is here, the war will end in a
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  Speaker 2: few days, we're at it. We have all the ammunition
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  Speaker 2: we need, all of those all of those naysayers who
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  Speaker 2: say we're running out of ammunition, they're all liars. Stocks
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  Speaker 2: go up. Now some explanations for this? And what are
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  Speaker 2: some explanations? And it's really weird. There was a survey
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  Speaker 2: done by Patrick Collison, chief executive Stripes Digital Payments company.
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  Speaker 2: He polled one point five million followers that he has
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  Speaker 2: and thirteen thousand dollars took the survey. On average, they
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  Speaker 2: expect economic growth, which is what we're experiencing big time,
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  Speaker 2: to double over the next five years. That's what was expected.
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  Speaker 2: Employment to fall by around eight percent. And frankly, none
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  Speaker 2: of this makes sense, particularly because as the company's corporations
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  Speaker 2: are making more and more money in the stock market
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  Speaker 2: is spectacular, unemployment is either flat or it's going up. Now, why, well,
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  Speaker 2: let's come up with some reasons. And they asked the experts.
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  Speaker 2: As a Wall Street Journal when into interviewing experts on this.
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  Speaker 2: One explanation is that it's a bubble. It's that simple.
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  Speaker 2: We're in the middle of a bubble. Another one is
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  Speaker 2: that it tells us something about the future that growth
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  Speaker 2: is going to accelerate, not necessarily the job opportunities out
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  Speaker 2: there now. In a bubble, stock prices typically go up
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  Speaker 2: faster than earnings. Earnings are based on, of course, what
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  Speaker 2: a corporation earns and valuations of the company, what's at
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  Speaker 2: worth and the company the more money it makes, the
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  Speaker 2: higher the evaluation. But it doesn't connect anymore with employment.
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  Speaker 2: But in the last year, earnings have risen far faster
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  Speaker 2: than even prices, and certainly the prices of the stocks.
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  Speaker 2: Now if you exclude Amazon, dot Com and alphabet because
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  Speaker 2: those results were in flame by investment gains, earnings of
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  Speaker 2: corporations were up thirty two percent in the second quarter.
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  Speaker 2: That is astounding. Now a lot of this is because
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  Speaker 2: of AI, which may in itself be a bubble. And
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  Speaker 2: so the median earnings growth of S and P five hundred,
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  Speaker 2: the five hundred biggest companies out there, is thirteen percent
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  Speaker 2: this year from eight percent two years ago. That's according
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  Speaker 2: to Bank of America and man it's higher than the GDP,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the gross domestic product. I mean, it is crazy. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you something else that makes no sense. You
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: think it's AI that are driving the market. It used
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to be, but now banks and small stocks, which are
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: sensitive to the state of the business cycle, they're up
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: bigger than the big what's called the big Tech's Magnificent seven,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the biggest, hugest company that are in tech, and so
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the big picture companies across the economy, not just AI
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: companies are seeing solid demand, extraordinary profit, extraordinary revenue. But
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: there's one little problem. Hiring. Hiring is down. Payrolls shrank
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: in July, fifth time in the past twelve months. That
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: is not good. And so the slide and the slide
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in job growth hasn't pushed up the unemployment rate.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: So hang on a bit.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: How is it possible that there are fewer jobs but
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: unemployment is down. Employment is doing well with fewer jobs.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: What is that about. Well, it's people leaving the workforce.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Baby boomers are retiring like crazy, which means they're no
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: longer in the job force. People have been looking for
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: jobs longer than six months are no longer being counted.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And now that's how it's all happening, and it makes
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: none of it makes sense. And the economy none of
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it makes sense. And oil is through the roof, inflation
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: is there, and the economy is just buzzing at a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: record pace. None of this makes sense. Hey, is Ai?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Is Ai really driving it all?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about a lot more of that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a good chance you're going to lose
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: your job. I'm in the middle of a contract, so
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I don't care. But the rest of you here working
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: just be prepared for Ai taking over your jobs.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: We're done, guys. That's it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning we come back again five am. Will and Amy,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Neil and I jump aboard from six to right about now,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and don't forget Kono and Ann, who try as hard
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: as they can to make life miserable for me and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: usually succeed spectacularly.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Gary and Shannon up next.
• 21:58
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• 22:02
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• 22:06
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• 22:10
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