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Will the Pacers pull off the upset vs OKC? · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, welcome, Welcome back to another episode, episode number
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  Speaker 1: one twelve of the so called Sports Channelists. Josh, how
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  Speaker 1: you doing.
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  Speaker 2: Doing pretty good? We just got done seeing Game three
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  Speaker 2: of the Finals. It's turning out to be a really
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  Speaker 2: good one, especially me being a Spurs fan. I hate
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  Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Thunder, so right now it's looking pretty
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  Speaker 2: good for the Indiana Pacers against the Arrival. But other
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  Speaker 2: than that, Kevin Durant news came out today, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so pretty excited to see where that may go for
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  Speaker 2: the Spurs future. But as of right now, honestly just
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  Speaker 2: enjoying life.
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  Speaker 1: Yes sir, Yes, sir, that's good. That's always good to
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  Speaker 1: already getting all blurry already. But let's go in and
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  Speaker 1: go into Game three like Josh was mentioning the Pacers.
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  Speaker 1: They won Game three, which this is a pivotal game.
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  Speaker 1: Series is tied. It could be the landscape for what
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  Speaker 1: happens in the predicting or predicting the next few games.
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  Speaker 1: The Pacers won one sixteen to one oh seven. Josh,
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  Speaker 1: what do you take away from this game and how
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  Speaker 1: are you feeling after this game? How this series is
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  Speaker 1: gonna go.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, for me, what I've taken away from this game
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  Speaker 2: is from both teams. So I think part of the
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  Speaker 2: reason why the Thunder weren't able to stay in this
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  Speaker 2: game is because it consists from SGA. In this game,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like scoring wise, nine for twenty isn't gonna
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  Speaker 2: cut it. He only had four points, four or six points,
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  Speaker 2: I believe in the second quarter. He didn't score to
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  Speaker 2: the second quarter, so that hurt the team quite a
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  Speaker 2: bit and let the Pacers kept the Pacers still in
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  Speaker 2: the game. But I think the big thing coming out
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  Speaker 2: of this game was the Pacers' depths, and we saw
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  Speaker 2: that with Benedict Matherin dropping twenty seven points off the
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  Speaker 2: bench and TJ. McConnell having a quiet ten and five night.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a lot more. There's a lot more on
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  Speaker 2: the table that TJ McConnell does outside of the out
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  Speaker 2: side of the stat sheet that helps this Indiana Pacers
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  Speaker 2: team out quite a bit coming off the bench, especially
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  Speaker 2: moving the ball around. Guys like Obi Topping were having
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  Speaker 2: those second chance plays, the hustle plays him and TJ McConnell,
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  Speaker 2: and even in this game as well, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: the Pacers just played harder in general if you look
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  Speaker 2: at how hard Tyres Haliburn was playing defensively, even still
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  Speaker 2: dropping twenty two and eleven and nine in this game,
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  Speaker 2: But defensively, I think that was the biggest The biggest
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  Speaker 2: factor that played into the Pacers winning this game was
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  Speaker 2: a defense that Tyres Haliburn was able to play. He
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  Speaker 2: was everywhere, disrupting shots, getting steals, leading fast breaks, rebounding
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  Speaker 2: the basketball. He was all over the place for the
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  Speaker 2: end of Pacers and even Pascal Siakam has some big
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  Speaker 2: time stops in that fourth quarter in the paint to
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  Speaker 2: kind of keep the Pacers within this one. And even
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  Speaker 2: Myles Turner, like I mean, I mean everyone on this
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  Speaker 2: Pacers team stepped up in this game, with Miles Turner
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  Speaker 2: taking on the roll late in the game to he'd
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  Speaker 2: had a kind of a horrible offensive night, but when
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  Speaker 2: it came to the defensive side when it was time
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  Speaker 2: to lock ups from Honger and he was able to
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's just the biggest thing. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: let me start. Let me start at the start of
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  Speaker 1: the game the Thunder they went up fifteen to six,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, now we're going to see the
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  Speaker 1: Thunders start taking advantage of this series and start just
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  Speaker 1: controlling it entirely. But the Thunder they took their punch.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing about the Pacers the entire postseason
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  Speaker 1: is they know how to respond back from the punch
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  Speaker 1: in that exact same quarter, and by the end of
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  Speaker 1: the quarter it was only it was only an eight
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  Speaker 1: point game at that point, and then they had this
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  Speaker 1: massive second quarter. I believe it was forty points scored
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  Speaker 1: in the second quarter, the most they had, and it
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  Speaker 1: was mostly from the two guys off the bench, like
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned benadic Mathern and TJ McConnell. So TJ McConnell
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  Speaker 1: in those eight minutes he played in the second quarter
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  Speaker 1: six points, four assists, three stills. That is something along
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  Speaker 1: the lines of what Tyrees Halliburton does on a game
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  Speaker 1: and if you could get that off the bench. And
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  Speaker 1: Tyres Haliburtn only played thirty six minutes this game, and
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  Speaker 1: that's because of TJ McConnell and for him being able
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  Speaker 1: to do that, that's a big spark. And one more thing,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta I got a show or say Tyres Haliburton
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  Speaker 1: twenty two to nine to eleven three stocks that stills
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  Speaker 1: in blocks combined on seventeen shots. Pascal Siakam twenty one
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  Speaker 1: six and four plus three stocks on fourteen shots, and
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  Speaker 1: the Pacers had forty nine bench points. And I think
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  Speaker 1: this was a must win game for the Pacers here,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily because the fact of well they had home court,
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  Speaker 1: the thunder, they could steal it, close it out in five,
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  Speaker 1: potentially six, But it's just a fact of how well
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  Speaker 1: their bench did in this game. You're not gonna get
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  Speaker 1: another crazy game like this, so they needed this game
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  Speaker 1: and this is a big time win for them right there.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing, like you mentioned, the
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  Speaker 1: Pacers defense, what the Pacers defense did down the stretch,
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  Speaker 1: it looked like that were one of the best defenses
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  Speaker 1: in the league. We talked about this, especially you, Josh.
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  Speaker 1: Offense isn't the problem here for the Pacers, it's can
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  Speaker 1: the defense stop them? And like you said, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say for Okay. For Shay's standards, this was a bad game.
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  Speaker 1: I know if you look at the box score twenty
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  Speaker 1: four nine for twenty eight rebounds, four assists, like he
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  Speaker 1: had a decent game, but not for an MVP caliber standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: But let me ask you this now, Josh, where is
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  Speaker 1: this series going to go from this point forward? Because
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  Speaker 1: the Pacers they didn't shoot well from three. This looks
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  Speaker 1: like it could happen again in game four or they
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  Speaker 1: could replicate this. So how do you feel about your
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  Speaker 1: Obviously our predictions are done. We both picked OKAC in five.
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  Speaker 1: But how was this series gonna be?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I really don't have a real prediction for you.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm being completely honest, I think it's this next
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  Speaker 2: game is gonna determine the series. I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: think if the Oklahoma City Thunder win this game, I
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  Speaker 2: think they go on to win the series. But obviously
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  Speaker 2: you go up three to one in the finals, and
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  Speaker 2: any honestly, in any series in playoff history, you're more
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  Speaker 2: likely going to walk away with that win, and the
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  Speaker 2: ind of Pacers if they win this next game, might
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  Speaker 2: as well crown them the NBA champions right after that
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  Speaker 2: because history tells, analytics tells that they're ultimately gonna end
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  Speaker 2: up winning the winning the NBA Championship. So right now,
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  Speaker 2: I know they were saying that this game is very
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  Speaker 2: important because the eighty percent win rate when you go
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  Speaker 2: up to to one, but when you go up three
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  Speaker 2: to one, it's a lot higher. And when you tie,
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  Speaker 2: I think when that team ties up to two, I
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  Speaker 2: think also a team of the caliber of Oklahoma City
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  Speaker 2: Thunder will capitalize on that opportunity. So honestly, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a prediction, like I can't tell you who's gonna
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  Speaker 2: win this next game because if because we've seen already
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  Speaker 2: before in Game one, the Pacers are able to continue
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  Speaker 2: doing what they were able to do pretty much against
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  Speaker 2: other teams like the New York Knicks and forgot the
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  Speaker 2: Cleveland Cavaliers when they would be down by twenty and
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  Speaker 2: they were able to build the comebacks and come back
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  Speaker 2: and win those games. And they did that in Game one. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we saw the Thunder in Game two do what they
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  Speaker 2: did the entirety of the season is dominate basketball teams
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  Speaker 2: like they did with the nif Pacers in that Game
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  Speaker 2: two series. But in Game three, I think we saw
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  Speaker 2: the Thunder what they would probably be at at their worst,
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  Speaker 2: especially coming off like the dead that they had. No
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  Speaker 2: one really had real productive minutes off the bench. And
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  Speaker 2: then if we look at the Indiana Pacerts, this is
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  Speaker 2: what they can do when they play team basketball, good
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  Speaker 2: defense and they don't settle for shots. And this is
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  Speaker 2: what the Indian Pacers are able to do to mini
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  Speaker 2: teams and what they were able to do the Cleveland
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  Speaker 2: Cavaliers and the New York Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. And Okay, I'll put it like this.
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  Speaker 1: I think that whenever I said okay, seeing five, I
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  Speaker 1: might not have said this from the very gig go.
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  Speaker 1: It was either going five or going seven in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: but I was leaning more towards five, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Because now, even if the Thunder they win these next
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  Speaker 1: two games, Game four and Game five, I think the
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  Speaker 1: Pacers are gonna win Game six no matter what, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what the circumstance is, just because they're at there,
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  Speaker 1: another game at home, and just knowing the Pacers crowd,
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  Speaker 1: and how your bench naturally plays better at home. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a must right there. So if I
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  Speaker 1: had to, like, if I my back was against the one,
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  Speaker 1: I had to give a prediction, I'm gonna say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: see in seven. And honestly, this is shaping up exactly
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  Speaker 1: like the well not exactly, the Thunder and the Nugget series.
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  Speaker 1: So Game one, Nuggets they had a historic or the
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  Speaker 1: Thunder had a historic choke job. Nuggets they walk away
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  Speaker 1: with it. Same with the Pacers. Game two, the Thunder,
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  Speaker 1: they come out, they flex their superpowers, flex their muscles,
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  Speaker 1: they blow out the Nuggets. They blow out the Pacers.
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  Speaker 1: Game three, a late situation that's close the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: They win that clutch game the Nuggets too, same thing
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  Speaker 1: with the Pacers here, and I think this is gonna
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  Speaker 1: happen again. I think it's gonna be another clutch game
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  Speaker 1: for Game four. But the Thunder they're gonna end up
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  Speaker 1: walking away with it becausehe is gonna play better and
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  Speaker 1: the bench is gonna play a little bit better too.
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  Speaker 1: And then I think they just they just went at
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  Speaker 1: home the rest of the way. So if you had
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  Speaker 1: to give a prediction, backs up against the wall. What's
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  Speaker 1: your prediction.
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  Speaker 2: I can't say six no more. I can't say six
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  Speaker 2: no more for either team. Like, I just don't see
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  Speaker 2: that happening. I think I'm probably I think it's either
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  Speaker 2: ending in five or ending in seven. If I'm being
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  Speaker 2: completely honest, I think I think if if the Pacers
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  Speaker 2: win the next game, I don't think the Thunder will
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  Speaker 2: have an answer. They might go to Game six because
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  Speaker 2: they push it one more. But honestly, I think, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I can't just tell you I think after this next game,
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  Speaker 2: I can give you a better answer where it's gonna go. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I just think because both teams in their own right
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  Speaker 2: can step up at any moment, any situation to play
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  Speaker 2: great basketball. Like it's just like sometimes when the Thunder
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  Speaker 2: are on, there's not a team that can keep up
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  Speaker 2: with them in the entire NBA. I don't care who
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  Speaker 2: you are, but if you give the Pacers a sliver
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  Speaker 2: of chance to even get back into a ball game,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna do it. So it's just kind of that
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  Speaker 2: I think each game is kind of at this moment unpredictable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well I want to kind of Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: still in the NBA Finals, of course, but I kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to talk to you about, obviously, the two
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  Speaker 1: main players in this series, SGA and Tyre's Halliburn. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they've both had stretches where they've been ultra
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  Speaker 1: aggressive and they've been ultra passive. And I feel like
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  Speaker 1: me just this game, Okay, I'll say this, Yes, the analytics,
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  Speaker 1: they could give so many different things, as far as
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  Speaker 1: like three point percentages where this person's better at how
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  Speaker 1: you can guard this person, but you can't measure the
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  Speaker 1: field for the game or a rhythm. You know this
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  Speaker 1: just even us playing pickup basketball. You just know if
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  Speaker 1: you have a rhythm, you can make those tough for
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  Speaker 1: shots more often than not. And SGA did not have
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  Speaker 1: a rhythm this game at all. And we saw that
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  Speaker 1: with Tyres Halliburton game too, he had no rhythm at all.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of flipped the script from game two
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  Speaker 1: to game three. So I want to ask you that
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  Speaker 1: as far as do you think SGA is gonna find
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  Speaker 1: his rhythm later on in this series? And do you
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  Speaker 1: think Tyres Halliburn is going to continue this too?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I think it also plays into the people around you.
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  Speaker 2: I think it plays into who's which team is playing
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  Speaker 2: better in the given moment, and in this game, it
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  Speaker 2: was definitely the Indiana Pacers. If you look at chet Holmgrid,
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  Speaker 2: he had a great first half, but in the second
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  Speaker 2: half he was virtually non existent on the offensive end.
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  Speaker 2: And then Jaylen Williams, even though he had a great
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  Speaker 2: game twenty six points, I believe twenty six points, he's
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  Speaker 2: still he's still outside of him. No one else was
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  Speaker 2: really stepping up. We saw Isaiah Joe four points, Jalen Williams,
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  Speaker 2: the other j dub didn't even play in this game,
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  Speaker 2: and so there wasn't an Isaiah Hartenstein only played. He
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  Speaker 2: played nineteen eighteen meaningless minutes in this game, and no
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  Speaker 2: one around him was really stepping up to allow him
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  Speaker 2: to actually be Shay and create a lot of mismatches
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  Speaker 2: and really get to the rim and find those spaces
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  Speaker 2: that he usually finds to be able to score the ball,
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  Speaker 2: to be able to draw fouls, to be able to
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  Speaker 2: get whatever he wants on the offensive end. While on
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  Speaker 2: the flip side with Tyre's Halliburn, we saw many guys
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  Speaker 2: play play great from multiple levels where he didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to take on a huge weight on his shoulders, so
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  Speaker 2: he was able to play free basketball like Pascal Siakam,
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  Speaker 2: TJ McConnell, Benedict Mathern, even like the guys that I
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  Speaker 2: think the way that the paper were playing, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the guys were just playing their roles, running around,
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  Speaker 2: running around, creating a lot of opportunities for the guys
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  Speaker 2: that were hot, and that was due to Tyre's Heliburn
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  Speaker 2: also able to find these guys with the eleven assists.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think playing in the flow of the game,
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  Speaker 2: Tyrey's Heliburn had it a lot easier than SGA did
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  Speaker 2: in this game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is very true. That is very true.
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  Speaker 1: But let me let me give you this or let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you this now. As far as finals MVP, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I think we could both come to agreement here as
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  Speaker 1: far as SJ would be the finals MVP if this
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  Speaker 1: series ended right now for the thunder side, but as
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  Speaker 1: far as for the pacer side, I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: could do some arguing here. So Pascal Siakam, he's been
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  Speaker 1: the most consistent one Tyre's Halliburton he's had. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like this was a ventedge Tyre's Halliburton game where it
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  Speaker 1: looked like he was a top ten player in this
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  Speaker 1: game by far. But say if Benedict Mathern has another
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  Speaker 1: two games like this, he could be in the running potentially,
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  Speaker 1: so just early ballot.
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  Speaker 2: Then even Myles Turner defensively he's been a shanker. So
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  Speaker 2: it's also one of those things. However, you want to
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  Speaker 2: spin it and look at.
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  Speaker 1: It, that's true. So who would you say after three
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  Speaker 1: games is the finals MVP?
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  Speaker 2: I think right now it would definitely go to Tyreus Haliburn,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hitting the game winner in game one or
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  Speaker 2: and then even in this last game twenty two, nine
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  Speaker 2: and eleven, I think it's pretty undoubtable for the for
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  Speaker 2: the Anna Pacers side, who would be the finals MVP.
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  Speaker 2: But that is also being said, like you said, at
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  Speaker 2: Benedict mather And in the next two games they go
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  Speaker 2: win by four to one and he drops twenty five
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  Speaker 2: plus and both of those games off the bench. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of hard to deny that type of play as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like he's a big wild card
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  Speaker 1: even we overlooked. I feel like most people they over
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  Speaker 1: worll too.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is he was virtually non existing in that
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  Speaker 2: new York Knicks series, like in a way that we
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  Speaker 2: thought he would be a play a bigger role because
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  Speaker 2: I think that was one of the things that I
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  Speaker 2: was harping on, was the the depth that they had
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  Speaker 2: and and in this one and in this one Tyre's Halliburtn.
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  Speaker 2: I mean in that one, Benanic Mathern was virtually non
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  Speaker 2: existent in that series versus the New York Knicks, and
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  Speaker 2: it kind of hurt them in some cases. But in
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  Speaker 2: this one they were able to have him at his best,
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  Speaker 2: at his peaking when people know it to be that
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  Speaker 2: scorer off the bench, and it really elevated this in
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  Speaker 2: Aana Pacers team to win this game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that that is true. And I just think
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  Speaker 1: that as far as I saw this on Twitter, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who tweeted it, but I think somebody said, Benedict,
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  Speaker 1: Benedict Matthren, He's an ultimate two K build as far
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  Speaker 1: as like everybody's built him in two K before, whether
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  Speaker 1: this year or previous years, has always been a guy
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  Speaker 1: shout out to Nate by the way on camera first
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  Speaker 1: time on the podcast. Yeah no, he's going to bed now. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, my setup was so clean, bro, My
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  Speaker 1: setup was so clean that Bulls set up, but they
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  Speaker 1: moved they moved in. But anyway, anyways, anyways, No, I
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  Speaker 1: just think that he's a big X factor, even if
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  Speaker 1: you could have one more game like this, I forgot
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  Speaker 1: the exact saying. I think it's two star or how
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  Speaker 1: how to win four games in a playoff series? Two
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  Speaker 1: of those wins come from your star players, one of
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  Speaker 1: them comes from your coach, and another one comes from
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: your bench. So game one came from Tyris Halliburton. Then
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: game three it came from the bench. So can we
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: see another bench performance? And at this point you have
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: to beat the Pacers five times in seven games to
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: win the series in all honesty, after seeing what happened
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: with Milwaukee, Cleveland, New York, and now this series you
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: have to beat them five times. So I don't know,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I just feel like we keep underestimating the Pacers. Here
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I did it the last series actually go ahead.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Actually I didn't underestimate them in the playoffs. But I
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: think the reason why the Oklahoma City Thunder was they've
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: been so dominant, like over every team that they played,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: especially versus the East. The East has had no chance
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: fors to Oklahoma City Thunder. All season, they only give
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: up one game the entirety of the year, but this
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: series alone, they've already given up two. So it's also
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: like this is also like not the norm for the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Thunder to be in the type of position,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: especially versus an Eastern Conference team.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is very true right there. I understand that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: But as far as or is there anything else you
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: want to talk about in this game right here?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: No, I just feel like the coaching standpoint of this,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I understand Mark Dagnall is also this great up and
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: coming coach, coach of the year, consistently having great records
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: over the last two seasons. But I think this just
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: shows the veteran leadership of Rick Carlile a lot more
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: than it does Mark Dagnall. I just feel like Rick
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Carlile doesn't get a lot of love. I feel like
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: he was uber consistent as the Dallas Mavericks head coach
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: for most of his career, and then even now with
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers the last two seasons, he's gone very
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: overlooked with Honestly, last season, look at what he had
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to deal with in the playoffs. No, Tyre's Halliburton in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: some of those games, and he still was able to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: get their teams to the Eastern Conference Finals and then
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: this year as well. You know, sometimes you look overlooked,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: like we say, people overlook this Indiana Pacers team, But
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: no matter what, they were able to show up and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: make the right adjustments game in and game out, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: they're continuing to do it in this NBA Finals.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's it's very true. It's very true. But I
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: just think that I don't know if anybody at this
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: point Indy, they've shown it in this game right here
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: on a consistent level. I think they didn't even show
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that in game one because Game one it was absolutely
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: atrocious for them. It was the worst possible situation where
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they could have won. Tyres Halliburn wasn't good. Pascal Pascal,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: he was good, but other than that, everybody else was bad,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: shot terrible from three, had so many turnovers and they
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: they won that game right there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I just think this was none existent in the first half.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, You're right. And I just think
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that the Pacers in this game, they showed what they
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: did in those other two games, is they can have
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: consistent offense against the best defense, and it looked like
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: one of the I'm not saying they're not no more.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: This series is far from over. If they win this series,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: they're gonna go down as one of the most historic
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: defenses ever. So they're doing this against this defense right here.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So what do you think is more likely here, Josh,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the Thunder being able to stop the Pacers, or the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: or the Pacers keep scoring on the Thunder.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Better offense always be better defense.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: That that is true. That is true. Man, I lost
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: my train of thought there. I was gonna say something
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: about our pickup game. I was gonna say something, but
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I just completely forgot. I'm not gonna lie. Oh no, No,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say. Freaking Damien. Shout out
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to Damion again for getting shouted out on the pot again.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But I'm telling those fadeaway threes and those first those
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: first few games, I'm telling you, bro, he does not
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: act like that. Bro, he does not act like that like.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: That for real. I don't know brow hitting backboard every
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: single time, just saying right, it wasn't aiming for the backboard, No,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And on Saturday too, Bro, every shot was going well,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: not every shot. That was a couple that win just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: straight in the net. But there was every other shot. Bro.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you that Fadal Waight three that he hit
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: on game for me on the left wing. How we
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: looked at me afterwards. I'm all, Bro, you're not like this.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: You are not like this, Bro. But hey, I guess
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: guess we all have our moments. Like you said, better
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: offense is better than better defense. But all right, I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: don't know if there's anything else you want to talk
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: about in this series right here before we get into
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the whole sweet.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Sakes, Kevin, move in to the next topic.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's been plenty of rumors going on throughout
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the NBA. NBA rumors they don't stop no matter the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: time it is, and especially in the finals. And the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: biggest domino that we're waiting to fall for sure because Giannis,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it's still in the air whether it happens.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But we know what you guys.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that report. It said Giannis. I think
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: he's standing pat But as far as Kevin Durant, he's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the first real big domino to fall that has an
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: actual chance of being traded. Here and the five teams,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: like you mentioned before the pod are the Spurs, Rockets, Knicks, Timberwolves,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and Heat. So obviously, okay, I already know what your
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: answer is gonna be, obviously by what it says. Kevin
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Durant feel like spur I already know what you're gonna say.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: But what do you feel like would be the second
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: or you know what, Let me go ahead and say this,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: just rank Kevin Durant's trade destination.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Number five, number five. I think it would be the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Miami Heat. I think the Miami Heat would be the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: worst possible situation for him to go to. I just
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: think the Miami Heat themselves are in the no man's
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: type of land. I think there's a lot of question
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: marks whether at a Baio is gonna even be there
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: next season, so you're gonna lose your defensive anchor maybe
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he might get traded. But then also, like a player
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like Tyler Harrow, with bem Adebayo and Kevin Durant, is
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that really group that's gonna get you to the NBA Finals?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, especially in a in an Eastern
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Conference where there's teams like the Indiana Pacers Cleveland Cavaliers.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Those are the two main stays I think that are
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: gonna be next season. Even the New York Knicks as well.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: With the Boston Celtics, we don't know yet. We just
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna be next season without Jason Tatum.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But I just don't think that elevates you above those
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: three other teams in that in that situation. And then
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: as for me and plus what assets to the Miami
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: he have to really move and go get it, Kevin Durant.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a big asking price anymore, but
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what they would be able to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: give to the that would entice the Phoenix Suns to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: be like okay, like yeah, well unless you're giving Bam Tyler, Harrow,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Khalel where like somebody along those lines where you kind
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of can move off of them for and hopefully draft
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: another guy that's gonna be in that same position. But
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: then you have to get probably your first round draft
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: pick this year and next year if you really want
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: to think about it. But then the number four for me,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna put the I think I'm gonna
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: put the Minnesota Timberwolves. I think I'm gonna put the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Minnesota Timberwlves at number four. I just think going into
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: next season, there's a lot of question marks of who
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: they're gonna keep, I know, unless the biggest domino for
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: this one is they sign in trade Naz Reid for
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: for Kevin Durant and they bring in Kevin Durant into
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that into that fold. But I'm pretty sure they don't
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: want like a pick that's gonna be in the twenties,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you know, So it's gonna be like that's where it's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: probably gonna fall apart for them. It's it's gonna just
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that the idea of getting maybe nas Reed and throwing
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: in Nikkill, Alexander Walker or somebody like somebody along those
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: lines into the trade package, or even maybe shipping Julius
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Randall out because I believe his contract is also expiring
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: as well, so you probably want to throw those type
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of players in there to make it enticing for the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Phoenix Suns, who maybe may still have a chance with
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Devin Booker next season. So for me and but the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: pairing of Kevin Durant and Anthony Edwards is very intriguing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like it would take a lot of pressure
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: offensively off of Anthony Edwards when we see him quite
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a bit try playing hero ball and oftentimes it just
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out for him. And then if you imagine
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: people were hyping up Julius Randall's playoff performance this season,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: just imagine Kevin Durant. It would just be a lot
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: better than that. But if we look at number three,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna have to go with the New
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: York Knicks right here to that at number three, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: just feel like with the New York Knicks, the whole
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: thing that's gonna be a problem for me is who
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: are they going to give up? Like, who are they
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: going to give up to go get Kevin Durant, Like
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it's car Anthony Towns sitting. Are they gonna give up
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: og and Noba mckel bridges and send him back to Phoenix?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And then maybe a couple first like a super later
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: first round pick, you know, which is something I don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: think the Phoenix Suns would want to do that. Just
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: those three options just don't make any sense to me
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: on why he would possibly go to those teams. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: for me, honestly, the only two teams are any sweepstakes
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: for a Giannis and for Kevin Durant are the Houston
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Rockets and the San Antonios. First, I think for me. Honestly,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it goes to a lot of the same reasons why
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I think he would be a great fit in either situation.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I mean for the but in both of their different ways.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: If you look at the Houston Rockets, I'm pretty sure
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Jalen Green's gone. If this trade goes through, I think
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Jalen Green is gonna be on the move because they're
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: gonna have one to have that Kevin Durant being the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: main offensive focal point along with Alprin Sengoon and then
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: just have the great defense centered around them with Aman
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Thompson and Jabari Smith might also be on the move
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: as well. If I'm really sitting here and think about that,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Jabari Smith and Jalen Green may be the pieces to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: go get Kevin Durant along with some draft capital, which
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: would be that'd be pretty crazy, which do I think
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Giannice may also make a lot more sense for the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Houston Rockets than he does for the San Antonios. First
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: on why that move would possibly be happening, because you
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: can probably bring back a lot more assets with a
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: lot more potential to add to the Milwaukee Bucks, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: for it would also be the same for the Phoenix Suns,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: adding those players to their roster and then so you
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: would have him as offensive staples surrounded by a bunch
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: of defensive players, and that would probably elevate the Rockets
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to a much higher level than they were this season.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And they were already the number two seeds in the
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: entire Western Conference. So that with that would be like
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: a pretty crazy thing to see, especially with a lot
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: of these younger players getting older on that team. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: for the San Antonio Spurs, I mean, you move off
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of right now is looking like the number fourteen pick
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Devin Vassell and Harrison Barnes, And honestly, if I'm the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs, that's a dub, don't You don't lose
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: any depth from that situation? You lose out on a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: number fourteen pick who you may not even know pans
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: out And are you really going to ask a number
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: fourteen overall pick to come in and play very important
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: twenty minute a game nights over and over again. And if
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: we look at the San Antonio Spurs, I know a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: lot of the people are looking at their season and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: kind of look it over. But we were dealing with injuries,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: loss of a head coach, game in and game out,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and before that even happened, before Winby even got out,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: we were the seventh seed, a game and a half
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: back from the sixth. And then that's when it all
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: fell apart, when he went out and we were projected
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to win forty one games, and that would have put
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: us at the ninth seed over and us are the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Sacramento Kings. I like our chances in that one. So
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: if you add a Kevin Durant without giving up the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: number two overall pick, so you're adding Kevin Durant to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: our roster that already has Victor Wimbanyama, Daron Fox, the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: raigning Rookie of the Year, Stefan Castle, and now you're
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: adding Dylan Harper, and you still have depth there like
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: maybe Keldon Johnson maybe and a couple of these other
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: players like let's say Jeremy Sohan stays. For some reason,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that's a solid basketball team to go into the season,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and that's a team that immediately puts you in contention
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to be one of the top six seeds in the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Western Conference next season. And this is the same for
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets. So I can't really rank one above
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the other because they both have their advantages. But Honestly,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the reason why I put the Spurs above is because
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: of one man, and that's Victor Winmbanyama.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: See that makes plenty of sense here, And I'm going
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to go to the bottom because while you were talking,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I found the article where it realistically contract Actually it
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: makes sense for these trades to potentially happen. And I'll
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: first start with the heat, which I have five here
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: as well. So a potential offer could be he get
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant and the Sons get Nikola Yovich Andrew Wiggins
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five first round pick, and then a third
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: teams involved and get Duncan Robinson and then some draft compensation.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Sons don't want that you're giving no players that don't
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: mean nothing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, But it seems like more Kevin Durant. They're
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: trying to just clear the books. That's what it looks like.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: If they're just going for draft picks, that's what it
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: looks like.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: But also, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but also you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: gotta think too, is Devin Booker gonna want to sit
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: around for another rebuilding season? You know what I'm saying.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: So it's like and they're already talks they're gonna pay
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: him another Supermax contract.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So it's like I think they said, what two for
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: one something?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Is Devin Booker gonna want to sit around and wait
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and waste his career and wait for the and Andrew
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Wiggins to find some potential anikolae Jovich, you know, like
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a maybe draft pick. No, that's not gonna That's why
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I don't mean interrupt, but like the Spurs
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and the Spurs and the Rockets make the most sense
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: because you actually get good players in return that can
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that can kind of not elevate you higher than that
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Kevin Durant can, but can still add some depth and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: some great basketball play alongside Devin Booker.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. And all right, number four,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: who I would have before I list this trade package.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I have the Knicks here because I feel like scoring
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: isn't what their need is. It's as far as defensive. Yeah,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to mention again because I brought
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: it up whenever they got eliminated. It's the center position
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: what they have as far as Karl Anthony Towns and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: needing to either replace him or get a deeper bench.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: One of the two they need to get one of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the two. But the trade package right here that'll match
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: contractually is og Ananobi and Mitchell Robinson. That makes sense.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: That's the least amount. And I already know what you're
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: thinking too. I'm thinking the same thing. It's gonna just
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: rip a part the entire construction of the team, because
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the construction of the team is Jalen Brunson and a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: bunch of three and D guys, And you're getting rid
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of o Jiannaobi, who at times looked like the second
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: best player from majority part of this playoff run, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson, who win the Pacers series looked like one
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of the best bench centers in the league. So you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this is why it's number four and number three. I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have the Wolves here mostly because of the pairing with
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards and Kevin Durant and it could be a superpower.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And this Stradon package, this WHEK gets interesting, this one.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I want to hear your input here, Josh. So the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Wolves get Kevin Durant, but the Sons they get Rudy Gobert,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Dante DiVincenzo and Rob Dillingham. And I feel like that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: makes sense contractually. And the Sons, they'd be willing to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: take that. So what do you think of that offer
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: right there? Because not only does it help them in
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the future with Rob Dillingham a potential guy, but they
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: get two main glue guys and Rudy Gobert and Dante DiVincenzo.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So I feel like when you make this move, you're
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: looking to keep nas Reed and Reese and extend Julius Randall. Maybe,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: but I feel like a lot of the same problems
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: that we would be looking at for the New York
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Knicks would be immediately added to the Minnesota Timberwolves in
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: this moment because you want that because honestly, that game
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: versus the Golden State Warriors where Rudy Gobert turned into
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: prime Shaquille O'Neill, you know that would be missing in
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the situation. I understand Kevin Durant is a different animal
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: when it comes to scoring the basketball, so it really
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: but on the defensive end, how much of a hit
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: are you going to take throughout the entirety of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: season without Rudy Gobert. And that's the biggest question mark
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: for me. If you get rid of Rudy Gobert and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: go trade for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant for me, is
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: a good defender who used to be a great defender.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: He's not what he wants was that just comes with
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: age and injuries. But for me, it works for the
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Phoenix Suns, but what it make since for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: That's just my thing, and it wouldn't make sense because
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you twenty seven, twenty seven, and eight on fifty forty
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: and ninety every single year is gonna seems a lot.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It seems pretty good, but you know, it's also one
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: of those things it's like what else would you be
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: giving up because Dante Devintendo is also that bench piece
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that oftentimes did struggle this season but still offers that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: spark when needed.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And I think if this package is offered.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And we're up billion ms, just whatever, you know, Yeah, that's.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: That's the big like wild card. We're like here, here's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: your young piece. I guess that's that's the biggest thing
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: right there. And I feel like I'm thinking about it
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: like this with the Timberwolves. So it helps them contend now,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but it clears their books out in the future because
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you get off that massive rudy Gobert contract and Julius
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Randall after how this postseason ended. Let's be real, he's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: not gonna get anywhere close to a Supermax. I think
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: he'll get paid maybe like thirty five forty a year
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: for about three four years. But it's not something like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert where you're tied down to it and you
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: can't trade that off the books. And I think it'll
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: be a little bit different because nas Reed at times
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: has showed rim protection. I'm not saying he's really to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: go bear rim protection wise, but you'd have hypothetical lineup
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Mike Conley, Anthony Edwards, Kevin Durant, Julius rand On nas
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Reed offensively, you cannot stop that. You cannot stop that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: in a playoff setting. Regular season it may be a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: little bit tougher, but in a playoff setting, when it
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: comes down to just half court scoring, that's amazing. And
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: like you already said, it takes pressure off of Anthony Edwards.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But as far as the two main teams, so I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: agree with you. As far as whoever he goes through
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the rockets or the spurs, which it's looking like more
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and more likely it wouldn't be bad either, way, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind you ranking them one or two, but
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the Spurs number two in this situation
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: because they don't need him as much. I feel like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Winby can be that main score compared to the Rockets
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: they need that main score. Yeah, go ahead, See.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's that's see. This is why the Spurs are looked
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: at as the best situation in basketball right now. Like
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: outside the Oklahoma City Thunder, I'd say, because getting number
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: two overall pick changed everything, you know, it changed completely
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: everything for the Santino Spurs because okay, so you can
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: take the Oklahoma City Thunder route, you know, if you
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: want to, just hey, we'll keep drafting and then we'll
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: build this team from the ground up and in two seasons,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: deal with us, you know. And then if you look
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: or now you have the number two overall pick assets,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: go move for Gianni sant Tokumbo and now you have
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: a god squad on defense and hopefully everyone the depth
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: comes along with it. But you still have Stephan Castle
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and Deer and Fox there as well. But then you
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: also look at the Kevin Durant situation and you don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: have to give up as much because you have the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: depth and the rest of the assets, where if you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: had Kevin Durant, it doesn't hold your future. So it's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: also like the Spurs they don't need to make this
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: move because they don't make this move. They still have
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Jami Sohan, they still have Keviln Johnson, they still have
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Devin Bissell allow along now with Dylan Harper. And I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: think if you keep, if you don't trade for Kevin Durant,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you're probably still trading Devin Bissell for Cameron Johnson, you know.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: So it's like one of those things where it's like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you're or Trey Murphy, you know, or something like that,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: where you're still gonna go get a player that can
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: immediately come in and add some much needed help. Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: No, I agree with that for sure right there. And
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I just think that or let me go ahead and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: read this trade package right here. So Spurs get Kevin Durant,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the Sons they get Devin Faicel, Harrison Barnes, and a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five unprotected first round pick from Atlanta. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that makes sense from the Spurs side right there, because
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: they're not giving up crazy depth, and then the Suns
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it makes sense you get that which is one of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the most coveted assets outside of like the very trash
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: teams Atlanta, it's looking like are they gonna rebuild? Are
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: they gonna trade Tray Young? So that unprotected first round
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: pick there, that's almost as close to gold right there
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: for the following season, and you get nice players Harrison Barnes,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Devin Wassel, that fit around, Devin Booker here. But let
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: me go and list this last one right here, which
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: is the Houston Rockets. So the Houston Rockets, they're hypothetical.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's Dylan Brooks, Reed Shepherd, Cam Whitmore, Jack Landell, and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the number ten overall pick and a first round pick
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven from Phoenix, which they give back
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to them. And I don't know about you. Just listening
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to that, I feel like the Rockets they're over pain
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: compared to what the Spurs would be. So Cuz Reed Shepherd,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: he's had, he's had signs of being a potentially I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say great player, a good player in this league.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks, Cam Win Moore, Jack Landell, the tenth overall pick,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and who knows what Phoenix is in twenty twenty seven,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that could be a top three pick. So do you
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: feel like the Rockets they could ask for less after
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: hearing that trade package right there?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like what I'm like, I think where the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: difference would be. The Phoenix Suns could look at it
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: to the Houston Rockets like, you need to make this move,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: so I'm gonna get the best possible assets that I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: could get from you. As you look at the San
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Antonio Spurs, it's like you don't have that much leverage
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: versus the San Antonio Spurs because it's like, Okay, we'll
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: just still wait another year or too and develop our players,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: you know, Like you know, it's like, or we can
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: make a splash right now and you just take Devisel,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Harrison Barnes and either the fourteenth pick this year or
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: a first round pick next year, have your pick, you know.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: So I think that's why the Rockets may be getting
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: more fleeced than the San Antonio Spurs would be on
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: their end.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, this is this is pretty interesting right here.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: So in this article right here, it threw in a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: wild card team. So it throwing the Mavericks getting Vin Durant,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: which Selbos talks about even at the trade deadline in February, so.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And they still get Cooper Flagg.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is crazy right here. So
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the Sons again, Klay Thompson, PJ. Washington, Nause Marshall, Derek Lyley,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty year first round pick from Oklahoma City.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So it makes sense. Who knows when Kyrie gets back.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But if you have a big I'm already gonna consider
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: it a big three if it happens Cooper Flag, Anthony Davis,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant. Imagine those three on the court. Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So with this move to a situation, I mean, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: don't this would never happen. I'm telling you this trade.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Would never This is a wild card. Yeah yeah, but
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like we're having fun.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I look at it. So Anthony Davis plays the five,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: which he hates playing, and then you move then you
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: move Kevin Durant to the four and Flag to the three.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: So you have automatically a big lineup, yeah, but athletic,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: big and athletic lineup. And then at your two, Max
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Christie or.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Max Christie, that's actually right, yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: And then at your one Spencer Dinwiddie. So it's like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: as of right now, there's all those rumors that is
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Paul maybe looking at taking over taking over a role,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you know, but hmmm, dang, it wouldn't happen. But the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Derek Lively is what ruined it for me. And I'm
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: being completely honest. I don't think Derek Lively is a
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: piece of the Dallas Matters want to move at all.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Like I think they definitely see him as a cornerstone
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: on their like at their five position. That's why I
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: think they're they're so quick to kind of who wants
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Daniel Gafford, you know, So.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, unless they re signed Daniel Gafford
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: because you get rid of Klay Thompson, PJ Washington, Nasie
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Marshall contracts, and but the Dereck.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: But the Derek Lively is the rough one. Like I
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: think Dearck Lively is literally considered by I think Nico
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Harrison said himself, when you add Derek Lively and and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Anthony Davis together, that's a defensive lineup like right away.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: So it's like one of those things is like you
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: make that move right now.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: But I feel like that would have to happen right
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: there if like, again, this trade doesn't happen. But if
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that trade happened, they would have to throw in somebody
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: in there. I don't feel like Max Christie would be
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the suitener for him, Like, oh yeah, no, you got
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the deal done, and we know they're already tied to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: first round picks. I think this is the only pick
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: they have. They have the OKC one, then one in
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty. Then after that there's the Stifen rule where
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: they can't trade picks.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, no, but just so stupid.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I know they should just turn it off like on
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: two K two on two K, that's another thing. In
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: two K. We're not trying to be realistic here. We're
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: not trying to be realistic at all. Don't have on
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the Stiphen rule. The only thing that you should have
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: is a salary cap. That's the only thing you should have.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: In the two K, salary cap does not exist. I'm
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: just saying.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: In the NBA, I feel like now it does.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Doesn't exist.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, no, not ade.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I've been resigning players for seventeen years already and I
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: have not been penalized one time.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, and like, what I hate is that,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Like later down in sim I don't know how fur
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: or how far you are in your SIM nineteen I think, like, see, okay,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: so I already know there's people in free agency that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: are like eighty three overalls that are asking for like
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: forty million huh mm hmm.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: But the thing is what pisses me off about SIM
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: about ninth when you get that deep bro, like I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: think we're the stipend rule probably makes a lot of sense,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: is that dude, Like I end up with everyone's draft
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: picks because I like build, Like I'm just like dude,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and I hate it, Like I honestly you know what
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I've been doing. I've been taking the draft picks that
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I get and just giving them back to the teams
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: like here're like drafted players because I don't need it,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Like I already have all my positions filled out and
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like I don't need a play, and I do
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the historic draft classes so it's like I'm adding like these.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: But the thing is those historic draft classes are making
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: players way better than they actually were likely in real life,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: you know. So it's like like they have Mark Jackson
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: getting up to eighty eight overall, so it's like crap. Yeah,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: So it's like, bro, that's not real. You know that's
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: not I mean, he was probably good for this time,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: but not that good.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, Mark jack Mark Jackson as an announcer
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: goat as the announcer's random random goat announcers just covering
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: any sports.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Doris Burk's the worst.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Doris Burks is. She definitely got a lot of enemies
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on her side after this playoff run right here, for sure,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I'm over it. So I feel like, Okay.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Richard Jefferson bro I love listening Richard Jefferson commentation.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Does you know? You know who I think is the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: best and should have got some more time. I know
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it's too late. They have their final crew is Tim Legler.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Tim Legler as a basketball analyst, he is peak.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: You know who I enjoy listening to during the Olympics
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: was Dwayne Wade.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade was a good one right there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And okay listening to Dayne Wade.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, as far as I like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: all commentators like play by play, There's Kevin Harlan, There's
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Mike Breen. I'm even bringing in football here. There's there's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: al Michaels. There's what I completely forgot his name, uh
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Buck Joe Book Joe Book.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I don't like Joe Buck too much anymore. Ye honestly,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: for me, like Kevin Harlan or Marv Albert, I feel
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: like one of those two. Mike Breen. Mike Breen's a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: legend too.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So I have a hot take about Mike.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Has to deal with Doris Burke.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, yeah, okay, I have a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: hot take about Mike Breen. I don't feel like he's
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the same no more.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: But Mark jacks when him and Mark Jackson were together,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: was pretty bro.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: You know how vintaus that was whenever he'd go to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: those KOs or those two ones that always stuck with me,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: hand down, man down or or what is it great defense,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: better offense? Those two were all his iconic lines.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Reggie Miller is a great announcer.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Reggie Miller, he's he's good. But I feel like
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Kevin Harland, he's peak right now. I feel like that's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: peak commentating. You could bring an NFL baseball, you could
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: bring in, you can bring in anything. I don't listen
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to baseball as much, not till Michaels.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Al Michaels is a legend too, but he's just older now,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Like I think he's kind of just I don't think
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: enjoying watching that, You're just enjoying watching the games.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. So Like, if you
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: had a list just one announcer, as any announcer across
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: all sports, mine would be Kevin Harlan for sure. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: think he's the best right now in the business.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have to stick with Kevin Harland as well.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like he makes games entertaining. But also like
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: first reporters or like reporters, I'd have to go with
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: like Craig Seger bro like you know, a yeah, but.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Then I I'd pick Taylor Rooks.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, all right, whatever.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: What about analysts? What about analysts like or like us? Yeah, yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I know, but but like but like the wanna be
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: sports analysts, you know, like the got the soul called
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: sports analysts don't want to be sports like I feel
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: like Mike Greenberg, Legend, Stuart Scott, stephen A.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Scott Van pel Scott, he's underrated, He's underrated.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Rich Eisen is pretty underrated too, you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Rich Eisend, Yeah, he is. Ernie Ernie Johnson, hmm. I'm
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: trying to think of like modern like on FS one
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: on ESPN. J J. Redick, he was getting there for
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a minute. J J. Reddick, he was getting there before
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: he became a coach.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I like listening to Windy Brian Windhorse basketball.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You know what's his name? He was at ESPN. He
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: was an analyst and he got part of those cuts.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: He kind of has a balder but still has hair.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: What what's his name?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, I'm thinking about Tenebaumb. That's why
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that's what came in my mind, Mike Tenebaum because I
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: forgot who told him? Who told him when they were
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: sitting at the interview and he was like, what do
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: you ask for for a haircut? Leave the sides?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're talking about that was out the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: college football, Yeah, Pat McAfee, Pat McAfee.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: The thing is, I like Pat McAfee for the entertainment,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: but for like the ball knowledge, it's not there, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: for like the at least like outside of football.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know that is true. I'm trying to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: think of.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But I feel like Mike Greenberg is just such a
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: good all around class act like guys guy, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: like he's up there.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: He could he could do anything. He could do any
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: any kind of commentating, whether it's funny, serious or or
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: give give real.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: So I can't stand Matt Doggers.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: So bro Okay, here's another thing about Steven A. Smith
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that whenever like he's actually like focused in on the sports,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: like just covering the game. I feel like he's great,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: he's one of the best at it. But when he
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: brings in all his theatrics and all of his hot takes,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's where it kind of like that's
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: what got him famous. But like that's the part of
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: him that I don't like. Well, I feel like just
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: us starting this too, we're obviously we have like funny
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: moments or hot takes, but like we give most of
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: our analytical side. I feel like that's why I like
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the Mike green Birds even at times. Emmanuel Ochio, I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: feel like that. That's another one. When he's talking just
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: pure football, not basketball, not basketball at all, just pure football, Well.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It we're just gonna talk about pure analytics. Nick right,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: there's not a player, Nick right. No, it's not that
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that breaks down analytics is much as he does. I
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: feel like it's insane.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: But he's very biased with his arguments like he's gonna
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: pull up people for him to get like but like
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: he's gonna make sure like he gets all the analytics right,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and it's usually for the Chiefs and Lebron So yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah no. If I had to pick one
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: show right now and delete the rest, first things first,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a good mixture of funny hot
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: takes and analytics. I like on ESPN or get up
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that that would be second for me. That would be
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: second for me. I like, get up the whole what
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: is it? The facility? I feel like that's only good
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: during football season, honestly, Honestly.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I like NBA NBA on ESPN. That's pretty good.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty good. Kendrick Perkins at time he
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: could be he could be good. At times he could
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: be good.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I will say. I started seeing them like have like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Chandler Parsons and Jeff Tigue and stuff like talk about
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: like like like basketball. But I saw that like Tandler
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Parsons was talking about trading for Kevin Durant and giving
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: up the number two overall pick and stuff. I was like,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Like, Oh, we're like we're past that now.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bro. I was like, no, Bro, I was like,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Spurs aren't giving up that pick at all, Like I
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: think at this point unless it's you're honest and they
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: and they ask for something cheaper, you know. So it's
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: like because I think when teams start don't realize like
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: after a while, once your player wants to leave, you
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: lose a lot of value, Like you lose like like yeah,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: he already doesn't want to be there.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: So it's like the pressure isn't on the team trading. Yeah, Okay,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: now this is this is random right here as far
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: as like YouTube analysts right here, I know, I know
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: there's some that you watch like this is go football,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: this is go basketball baseball if you had to name one.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Well for football. Honestly, KCSN like the Kansas City Sports Never.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I mean they only slowly cover the Chiefs. But honestly, Bro,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I think they work harder than most, like like people
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: in the business, Like they literally put together draft guys,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: go to the Shrine Bowl, Senior Bowl interview. The players
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: create breakdowns of every player in the draft, like they
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: cover every Spur, every Spurs, every Chiefs game, every Chiefs team,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: like every Chiefs player, the other teams like they do
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: their due diligence when it comes like researching football, and
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: it's pretty cool to see. So for football them and
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: for basketball. Honestly, I'm all over the place, like if
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I'm being completely honest, like it's just but Ryan did
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: put me on this one called Thinking Basketball.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: That one.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: They're pretty good.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm a little biased because as far as with
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the basketball, Jason Tempt that one right there, that is
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: just if you just I think that one in Thinking Basketball.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: But there is a guy that I have been watching
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: a lot recently, which one I can't Jason Timp.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: He's just Peter Hoops, Like if you just want to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: get hoops, like exactly what R the game is?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: S R O S.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard of him, s R s
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: R O S. But another one that I like during
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: football season is I think Still is all six rings
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of Still. That one's nice. And Jay Tuck as far
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: as like when they they don't necessarily like give.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: For basketball Bill Simmons, bro Bill Simmons.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Bill Simmons. That's that's another one too. But Jay Tuck
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and law Nation, uh.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: They give Bobby Mark is pretty good too.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: There's another one I just had another football one, but
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: like they don't necessarily like give takes about but they
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: just more like break down the film, and I feel
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: like basketball, I'm more of a type where I'll listen
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: to the analytics analysts, but like with football, I just
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: want to watch the film, like I want to see
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: somebody break down the film because it's I or let
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: me ask you this, what what do you think is easier?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Just like watching a game back, like watching film up?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's basketball or football? Because I'd say
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: football is easier. Football is easier for me, mmm, because.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like basketball for me. I mean I like
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: basketball more than not like football, so I feel like
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: basketball for me. I find it more entertaining to watch
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: them break down like screens and sets and like the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: offenses that they're running and stuff. Because at first when
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: you just watch basketball just looks like whatever. But then
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like when you actually break down like the the film,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: like there's so much set pieces happening all at once,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like picks and then guys screening to the to the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: corner for an easy three, like all stuff like that. Yeah,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Like I was watching people break down like Stefan Castle
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: film the other day on defense, but they show started
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: showing his dunk highlights, and that's why I called you
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: because I was like, Bro, Stefan Castle doesn't like go
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: to like high fly over someone.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: He just goes punch the ball.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he just goes to just punch the ball
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: in Bro, like he's gonna just try boom like Henry.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: It is either a one hand dunk or it's just
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: like the fundamental dunk. Just yeah, just put it put
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: in the basket.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: He's not like John Moranting the bat or Anthony Edwards
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: like type dunking. Like he's more forceful, like he's gonna lie.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: He's a power dunker.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not this.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: But more successful than they are when it comes to
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: postering somebody, because I think he just goes straight for
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: the rim, like he doesn't go for like all that
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: theatrical h Yeah, he goes for him going for this rim.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: And you're just in my way.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, what do you think is the best? Okay
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: this I'm trying to ward this, but like best post
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: riser dunker of all time, because there's a difference between
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: greatest dunker and posterizing dunker time.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like ten this season already. So he did, but
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: and you're talking about in the game right now, I'm
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: taking stuff on Castle like in the game right now
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: over anbiit Yeah, and doesn't people as much as they
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: don't dunk on people as much as Stefan at a
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: successful rate. They don't do it as much as this
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: on Castle does.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: It's not as successful, but boy is it does does
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: it go in the hoop?
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying like I'm just saying, more successful someone
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: is in his way, he's more successful at getting it
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: in the hoop, you know, but all time, all time.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Let me let me find this real quick. Let me
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: let me find this real quick.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: J R. Smith did have underrated. It's very underrated.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Oh let me let me show this right here. Stefan
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Castle never had dunks a dunk like this, but a
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: man was begging for his life.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: But see that's the difference. I told that. I'm telling you, like, yeah,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: like deaf one Castle doesn't go for like the like
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: he just boom like I'm not like it's an instant,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: just like I'm hammering it on you, you know, like you
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: can't do nothing about it. Those guys, those guys are
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: just searching for contact. Like I think he's searching for contact.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: But they're just literally like I'm a fly, you know,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: like like it's a different style, it's a different like.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: You're in my way. I'm gonna just dunk the ball
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: no matter what. Anthony Edwards and John Moran, they're like,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: you're in my way. I would make sure just flashy, yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna try to get the ball on
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: the basket. Yeah. No, the best obviously you have to
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: put bless you, bless you, thank you. Obviously. I know
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Vince Carter is up there because like, what was it
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: jumping over that seven foot guy mid game? Hm hmm.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and Lebron is up there. Michael Jordan and
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Lebron Hey, I'm.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Just trying to find for my guy. I know he's not.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my Jersey is over there. Derek Rose posters in
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: his prime, even though a couple of years.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Best posteriser Russell Westbrook bro.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Russ, he's Russ's definitely yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Russ is also people got out the way. No. Best
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: posterizer of all time? Who we talking about? Blake Griffin, bro.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, Yeah, yeah, it's Blake Griffin.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Brandon Knight hates to see Blake Griffin.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I thought that was was that DeAndre Jordan.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know either or they were both.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: They were, yeah, they were both like different.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were both Like who cares I say, Blake Griffin.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I'm saying Blake Griffin best posteriser.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I would be biased here. This is a biasports podcast.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Derreck Rose those two years, Bro, he was putting people
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: in body bags, Bro, Like.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: In your lifetime, in your lifetime, okay, in your lifetime,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about So people are gonna get mad
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: at this list.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Twenty year and twenty one.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Years of watching basketball, rank your top five dunkers that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you that you with your eyes have seen so before
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: people get mad with his eyes that he has seen
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: his top five dunkers.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Just like any criteria, like in a game, flashy.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, like any in game like dunkers.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It would have Russ. Russ would have the craziest dunks.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I would say Russ. And okay, I'm gonna leave d
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Rose off of this list for a simple fact that
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I was younger. So okay, my criteria is gonna be
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: like from twenty fourteen on, because that's when I really started,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: like I could sit down and watch a basketball game,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Derek Rose. I've seen highlights, but actually like watch a
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: basketball game. So I'm gonna say, Russell Westbrook. There's Russell Westbrook. Bro.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I'm I know I'm gonna be missing some players and
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: some people are gonna be pissed, But like Russ, he's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: a definitive one. I'm trying to this name is that
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of right now. There's Lebron, there's jam Moran,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: There's Anthony Edwards, there's hm hm, for sure, Lebron's in
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the Let me just put Lebron to for now. For now.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: It could change, it could change. I'm gonna say, Anthony
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Edwards is in there somewhere. Anthony Edwards is in there somewhere.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Hm hmm, okay, who else? Who else? Dang, this is
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: tougher them. I thought, you do, you have a top five?
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Castle is in that top five. I'm being for real,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Like I'm being for real Bro, like he in game Dunk,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Bro in game Dunker. Stefan castles up there, Bro, just
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: like he he He's I don't know, he just be elevating, Bro,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: just be elevating differently Stepan Russell Westbrook's in there, is
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: definitely in there.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Oh what am I thinking?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Blake Griffriend's definitely in there. So that's three underrated
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: bro Paul George before injury, Paul.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: George another one, yeah, Derek Jones Junior and Zach Lavine.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah in game see in game. Yeah they also, I'll say,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: people sleep the Martin Rosen is low key super.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Underrated, had some I don't know if.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: You're underrated dunker.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there was one, and then John
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: was sure it was somebody. He was all the way
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: ninety four feet John Wall okay, okay, now that he
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: gave some names, I wanna say Russ.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But John Wall is also a flashy layup like this
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: three sixty layups and stuff.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like layups are like they Okay.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Gerald Green, Gerald Green though, Gerald.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Green Green, Gerald Green had something r Smith, Shannon Brown.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Derek Jones Junior. I think the high
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and then the post arising.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can rank five. I don't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: know if I can rank five people. Too many names
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: are coming to my head right now.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, too many? Hey, that was that was
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: one that DeAndre Hunter did this year. I'm not saying
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: against who. I'm not yeah, whatever, yeah, whatever, I'm not
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: saying against who. Hey, you know what. Kobe White. Kobe
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: White one of the best ducks. I saw my watching
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that Gabe live, trying to watch people watching the game live.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: The best one I've ever seen is DeAndre Jordan on
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Brandon Brandon Knight, like watching watching live, watching it, I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: would say that's the best one I've seen.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, he's a Him and Blake Griffin are there.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, hmmm, d know. But flashy layups, that's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a whole different story. I feel like everybody has that now.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: It used to be just John Wall, Derek Rose, Darren Williams,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Darren Williams.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Irving is the king of flashy layups. Yeah, Kyrie Irving. Yeah, Well,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I think Curry's Curry just throwing it up there. Like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: all he does is pretty you know, I haven't seen
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Parker wasn't flashy, but he got to the rim like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: he laid it, like he made sure he got there,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: you know, Like I think there was one season he
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: finished first in like points in the Paint or something
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: That's like crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. You know who's kind
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: of a good dunker or a good contact dunker but
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: didn't do it much. James Harden.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Manu is too.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Bron was too Yeah, Manu, he was one two I think. Yeah. No,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: James Harden, I'm vividly remembering one where he post riised Draymond.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was in uh Western Conference finals something
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't remember what it was. I'll try
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: to find it afterwards. But Josh, I, oh, dang, well,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: this one's already over an hour right here. I didn't
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: expect this one to be over an hour. So you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: want to keep going or you want to wrap this
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: up right here?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: And I think we can wrap this up. We're just
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: going into no man's land talking.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: About No, we're just talking about This is usually after
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the pod stuff. But hey, it's it's good every once
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in a while to add this in. But all right, Josh,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: any or you know what, we didn't even bring this
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: up for Game four? Who's winning Game four? Thunder A Pacers?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Give me the Indiana Pacers.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Oh so Pacers are going to win this series?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, I changed my mind.
• 1:02:52
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• 1:02:56
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• 1:03:00
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• 1:03:01
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• 1:03:04
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