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  Speaker 1: Needs help.
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  Speaker 2: Moorman Tonight to no wonder the Abenezi government has run
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  Speaker 2: out of money.
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  Speaker 3: The way it is people are spending it.
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  Speaker 2: The Communications Minister one hundred and ninety thousand dollars on
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  Speaker 2: a trip to New York, the ABC forty five thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars on a party.
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  Speaker 3: For its boss.
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  Speaker 2: And hat trick an executive assistance sent to in business
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  Speaker 2: class to check out hotel rooms for a boss who'll
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  Speaker 2: cover them all. Plus today's growth figures and why they
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  Speaker 2: spell trouble. And new climate research confirming you were tricked
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  Speaker 2: by politicians blaming cyclone Trevor on global warming. But first
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  Speaker 2: I want to say something about immigration. This debate the
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  Speaker 2: liberals are having about just how hard to go, how
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  Speaker 2: honest to be, especially about who we bring in. But
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  Speaker 2: before I get to that, the latest crime report in
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  Speaker 2: Sydney a big raid by Task Force Falcon detectives to
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  Speaker 2: break up what they allege is an organized criminal network.
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  Speaker 3: They sees more than.
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  Speaker 2: Twelve million dollars in assets and have charged six people.
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  Speaker 2: Now to emphasize these people must be presumed innocent, but
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  Speaker 2: to read out their names, they are Mohammed, Maksud, Ali, Jundi,
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  Speaker 2: Nidal Alimedin rayadab Ahmed Gamrahwi and Nija Jackson gam Rahwi.
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  Speaker 3: But let's get back to.
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  Speaker 2: The liberals brawling about immigration, what they should say about
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  Speaker 2: who we bring in and how many. Now it's that
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  Speaker 2: whubit that has politicians very very nervous, not wanting to
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  Speaker 2: say too much. Can't offend the migrant vote. Can we
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  Speaker 2: now that nearly a third of us were actually born
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  Speaker 2: of Please anyway, So we've got Opposition Leader Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: and her Home Affairs spokesman John o'dunham and her Immigration
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  Speaker 2: spokesman Paul scarr All working on this new immigration policy.
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  Speaker 2: And in a way, the easiest bit will be trying
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  Speaker 2: to work out the overall number to cut ned immigration Bible.
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  Speaker 2: They would hope at least the third of what it
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  Speaker 2: is under this ridiculous mass immigration policy of labor, at
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  Speaker 2: least what it was until last March, although I'd say
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  Speaker 2: it should actually the cut should actually be closer to
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  Speaker 2: half to get it closer to the long term average
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  Speaker 2: we had before the pandemic. Then there's a question of
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  Speaker 2: who we let in and who we don't, So leon
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  Speaker 2: a shadder. Ministers are focusing on cracking down on some
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  Speaker 2: visa classes and foreign students playing us to getting through
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  Speaker 2: the back door and the skilled occupation list, though we
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  Speaker 2: really getting who we need plus And here is where
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  Speaker 2: it gets tricky. There's supposed to be a biggest stress
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  Speaker 2: on Australian values and language tests for margarants, hopefully to
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  Speaker 2: weed out people harder to assimilate, people were likely not
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  Speaker 2: to fit in perhaps or maybe they turned a crime.
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  Speaker 2: Now actually, I'm not sure how much of values test
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  Speaker 2: helps really.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's easy, I guess, but oh well, it's
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  Speaker 3: a start. Now.
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  Speaker 2: On the conservative side of the Liberal Party you have
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty, who's I'm obviously hoping to be the next
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  Speaker 2: Liberal leader, pushing hard and telling Liberal members that immigration
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  Speaker 2: is out of control and is right there. It's bidding
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  Speaker 2: up housing prices and rents and destroying our fragile social
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  Speaker 2: cohesion that word cohesion. But on the left of the
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  Speaker 2: party you have Andrew Brag writing no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: weight Cutting migration will not fix the housing crisis, although
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  Speaker 2: Brag then admits to the leading obvious that reducing it
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  Speaker 2: will help, sorry, says, reduce demand and should be considered
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  Speaker 2: before then say no again. Many argue the salvation for
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  Speaker 2: Australian housing would be to cut migration. We should look
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  Speaker 2: to the Menzi's ear for solutions. So Robert Menzie's eh, Well,
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  Speaker 2: I always say beware appeals to the past to justify
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  Speaker 2: present actions. Now, Brad means that Menzies, our longest serving
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  Speaker 2: Prime minister, once said back in nineteen fifty one that
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  Speaker 2: the housing problem was severe, but the solution was not
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  Speaker 2: to halt immigration. But what Andrew doesn't tell you is
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  Speaker 2: that four years later, that very same Robert Menzies said
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  Speaker 2: we should very certainly consider who we let in and
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  Speaker 2: how that affect our social harmony. So is this the
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  Speaker 2: Robert Menzies that Andrew Bragg since we should listen to.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe that the so called White Australia policy
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  Speaker 4: will always be a stumbling block that it's important for us?
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  Speaker 4: I haven't the slightest doubt that we should maintain it
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  Speaker 4: the way it is as long as we possibly can.
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  Speaker 4: We ought to aim at having a homogeneous population. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to see reproduced in Australia the kind of
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  Speaker 4: problem they have in South Africa, or in America, or
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  Speaker 4: increasingly in Great Britain. I think it's been a very
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  Speaker 4: good policy and it's been of great value to as
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  Speaker 4: it should.
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  Speaker 2: Will be horrified but white Australia policy, No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: not that Menzis or also all times have changed, which
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  Speaker 2: I would say, yes, they sure have, Andrew. So let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the circumstances we face today, including this new
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  Speaker 2: splintering into tribes. Now, of course, Proba Menzis did actually
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  Speaker 2: go on to pulled down its White Australia policy, although he.
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  Speaker 3: Always had a preference for encouraging immigrants from Europe like
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  Speaker 3: my parents.
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  Speaker 2: And while no one of sense would today accept the
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  Speaker 2: race based immigration policy, the concern that Mensis had then
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  Speaker 2: for the effect of immigration and social harmony should actually
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  Speaker 2: be discussed. But how dangerous is that today? Well, I've
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  Speaker 2: got to say this was not the day for an
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  Speaker 2: Albaniza government minister to be found with a face deep
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  Speaker 2: in the taxpayer funded trough. Not today, when today's growth
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  Speaker 2: figures were worse than tip just zero point four percent
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  Speaker 2: for the quarter. Although when you were just for immigration
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  Speaker 2: and for inflation, you know we actually went backwards per capita.
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  Speaker 2: I mean just that's the blue figure here, the red
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  Speaker 2: is a total GDP and that then means that real
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  Speaker 2: GDP per person went backwards and backwards for ten of
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  Speaker 2: the past thirteen quarters. Meanwhile, interest rates might not come
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  Speaker 2: down for a long time because Reserve Bank Governor Michelle
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  Speaker 2: Bullock today said inflation, which is rising again, wouldn't come
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  Speaker 2: down to what the bank wanted for at least another year.
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  Speaker 5: A current forecast November we see headline inflation coming back.
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  Speaker 6: In the band in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: So with all that, and as with Australians doing it tough,
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  Speaker 2: this was not the day for Communications Minister Anika Wells
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  Speaker 2: to be caught out spending and astonishing one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ninety thousand dollars to fly herself, for staffro and a
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  Speaker 2: public servant to New York so she could tell the
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  Speaker 2: United Nations about her social media.
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  Speaker 3: Band next week for children.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's airfares of thirty four thousand for herself, thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight thousand for a staffer, and twenty two thousand of
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  Speaker 2: a public servant who imagine was sitting a bit further
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  Speaker 2: back in the plane. Now, that is the equivalent of
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  Speaker 2: first class fares for Anikar and the staffer, and business
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  Speaker 2: for the public servant, although they may have all flown
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  Speaker 2: business for all I know depends. You sometimes do get
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  Speaker 2: bum deals. But you know what she really needed in
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  Speaker 2: New York when Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 2: of Penny.
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  Speaker 3: One were already there. And so it's a fourth minister,
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  Speaker 3: Chris Bowen, What a crowd in New York on our dime?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Wells could have just more profitably stayed at home,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to deal with another triple back out then
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  Speaker 2: blackout at that time. Then you have to add Wells
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  Speaker 2: two Wells travels bills eighteen thousand dollars for accommodation for
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  Speaker 2: three of them and seventy thousand dollars I hold a
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  Speaker 2: function for well So the boast of New York of
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  Speaker 2: what you've done seventy thousand wow. Not that she was
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  Speaker 2: too keen to discuss this at.
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  Speaker 3: The National Press Club today.
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  Speaker 7: How do you justify it spending this amount of taxpayers dollars?
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  Speaker 8: Well, the reason you know all those things is because
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  Speaker 8: we're transparent about them, and we will disclose them and
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  Speaker 8: will continue to disclose information about that trip through the
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  Speaker 8: usual processes. That trip was undertaken as the Minister for Communications,
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  Speaker 8: and I think, and I would think that people who
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  Speaker 8: were there for that. Un event who join us in
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  Speaker 8: this room today would agree with me that it was
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  Speaker 8: incredibly important.
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  Speaker 7: You don't think that was expensive for airfes over ninety
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  Speaker 7: four thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 8: I've answered your question.
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  Speaker 2: No, she hadn't answered it. Joining me is the political panel,
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  Speaker 2: Cameron Milner forms, you've staffed the labor lady Bill Shorten
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  Speaker 2: now director of GXOS Strategies. If you've got a crisis,
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  Speaker 2: he'll come and fix it. And Michael cost the former
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales labor treasurer now Cameron. One hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ninety thousand dollar dollars isn't going to sink the country
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  Speaker 2: or economy, not in the government's growth status already here
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  Speaker 2: around one trillion dollars. So I don't know, maybe that
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  Speaker 2: money for this excuse, maybe it's fair enough or is it.
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  Speaker 3: Well? I agree with Jim Chalmer's comments today.
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  Speaker 9: Look, it's it's value evaluate in the end of the day.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, look, you know, if you book late, you
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  Speaker 9: pay full freight. So that's obviously what's happened. And the
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  Speaker 9: PMO is actually responsible for actually signing off on ministerial
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  Speaker 9: it's international travel, so it's the Prime Minister's office. That's
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  Speaker 9: blowing the budget here. But let's not shoot the messenger.
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  Speaker 9: The message about social media that she was carrying to
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  Speaker 9: the world and what we've done in Australia is fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got to.
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  Speaker 9: Stop the harm to children adolescents around alcohol and vapes
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  Speaker 9: and cigarettes and ban them, you know at certain ages,
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  Speaker 9: social media is a sewer. As a sewer, Andrew and
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  Speaker 9: our band to save our children from that sewer, you know,
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  Speaker 9: for the Chinese government, the Russian government, the tiktoks, the
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  Speaker 9: Facebook's everything else, I think is a good thing. And
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  Speaker 9: so actually the message that she was carrying to New
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  Speaker 9: York and the rest of the world about what we're
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  Speaker 9: doing to save young adolescents from the sua social media
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  Speaker 9: were actually a good outcome. So in the end, the
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  Speaker 9: message I think beats the messenger.
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  Speaker 10: Michael Cossa, Look, I completely disagree. This doesn't meet the
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  Speaker 10: pub test for a number of reasons, but the primary
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  Speaker 10: one is the cost of living crisis. You know, we've
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  Speaker 10: had energy bills go up for the average person, you know,
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  Speaker 10: thirty percent over the last period, and you know there's
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  Speaker 10: still interest rate pressure with the possibility of it coming
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  Speaker 10: up and for a.
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  Speaker 1: Minister, and her response was just full of hubris.
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  Speaker 10: Mate, this government thinks it's invincible, and I think this
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  Speaker 10: is going to be its actual downfall in.
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  Speaker 11: Terms of the policy itself. Well, i'd have an argument
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  Speaker 11: about that. I think the kids are going to get
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  Speaker 11: around this silly policy. And you know, I found it extraordinary.
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  Speaker 11: She asked the people in the room that went with
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  Speaker 11: her to justify the trip. Well, they were on the
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  Speaker 11: junket as well. I mean, you know that was a
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  Speaker 11: bit of a joke. I think the government just full
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  Speaker 11: of arrogance. This is another exam all of the government tax, spend,
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  Speaker 11: waste and spin and they're getting as well as that
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  Speaker 11: degree of hubris. That shows that they've got real problems
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  Speaker 11: coming up.
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  Speaker 2: More of the examples of that coming later in the show.
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  Speaker 2: Today's growth figures there, Cameron, and your growth now two
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  Speaker 2: point one percent. Yeah, well it's not too shabby, but
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  Speaker 2: our long term average used to be three.
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  Speaker 3: But the Treasurer claimed to be pleased there is.
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  Speaker 12: This is a very positive, very promising set of numbers,
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  Speaker 12: and the main reason for that is because private investment
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  Speaker 12: has come back really strongly over the course of this year,
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  Speaker 12: and it's private investment, whether it's new business investment, whether
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  Speaker 12: it's investment in homes. These are the things which are
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  Speaker 12: really driving growth now, and that's really encouraging.
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  Speaker 3: Can we Milner good figures?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 3: Not good enough?
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  Speaker 9: Not good enough, Andrew, and your point about the three
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  Speaker 9: percent is actually back to where Australia should be and
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  Speaker 9: when it needs to be. We need to be more productive,
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  Speaker 9: We need to actually do a lot more as a nation.
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  Speaker 9: And that number is just too anemic to deal with
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  Speaker 9: the fact we've got sticky high inflation, rising unemployment, interest
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  Speaker 9: rates that aren't coming down anytimes and may go up
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  Speaker 9: next year as well.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew.
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  Speaker 9: So no, this is a poor number and it needs
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  Speaker 9: to be so much better for us to drive the
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  Speaker 9: economy and drive growth in our nation.
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  Speaker 2: And also, Michael, I would add the fact that that
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  Speaker 2: two point one percent growth comes at a time of
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  Speaker 2: massive immigration, so shared among more people, and as I
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  Speaker 2: showed earlier, GDP per person real GDP WASSO allowing for
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  Speaker 2: inflation actually went down.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, people are struggling, and that's the point I
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  Speaker 10: just made about government spending. But you've got to also
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  Speaker 10: make the point Andrew. I mean, look these fingers figures
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  Speaker 10: could have been worse. I think that's what he's got
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  Speaker 10: a sense of our relief having copped that bad inflation number,
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  Speaker 10: and you know, his economic credentials in tatters.
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  Speaker 1: If he had got a a terror.
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  Speaker 10: Worse figure than he got, it would have looked even
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  Speaker 10: worse for him personally.
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  Speaker 1: However, you know, you've got to also be clear, we've
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  Speaker 1: still got record levels of government spending.
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  Speaker 10: If you took some of that out and normalized it,
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  Speaker 10: despite the private sector investment, you would have terrible figures.
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  Speaker 10: And you know that includes all of the spending on
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  Speaker 10: non market services funded by the government, that is, like
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  Speaker 10: the NDIS and everything else that's blowing up.
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  Speaker 1: They all feed into GDP as well.
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  Speaker 10: And the bottom line with all of this is I
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  Speaker 10: don't think it leads to a situation where we get
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  Speaker 10: interest rate relief unless unemployment ticks up. And if unemployment
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  Speaker 10: ticks up, this government is in all sorts of trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I wonder, Cameron Milner, whether the Coalition could hurt
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  Speaker 2: it an immigration.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, right now a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of people would be wondering if the Coalition can
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  Speaker 2: hurt labor and anything at all. But while they're so divided,
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  Speaker 2: But the immigration debate. They want the wanting to start
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  Speaker 2: the working up a policy. They clearly wanted to put
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: it to the government in a way harder than Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton did before. Do you think this is an issue
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  Speaker 2: that could hurt labor?
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  Speaker 9: Look, I think it can and I think if you
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  Speaker 9: look at the recent polling, it's definitely coming through as
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  Speaker 9: a concern to voters out there.
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  Speaker 3: People are seeing the.
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  Speaker 9: Reality of it, which is to your point, Michael, cost
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  Speaker 9: of living crisis is not going away, a housing crisis
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  Speaker 9: where people just can't find rental properties or houses they
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  Speaker 9: can afford in the areas they want to live, so
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  Speaker 9: that migration is actually a third rail of Australian politics
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  Speaker 9: and it's very dangerous for Labor to defend massively high immigration.
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  Speaker 9: But to your point, Andrew, I think it's got not
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  Speaker 9: just about the number. It's got to be about the
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  Speaker 9: fact that we actually got to bring people into our
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  Speaker 9: country who share our values, genuinely share our values, and
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  Speaker 9: that's where the migration is. She's also got out of
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  Speaker 9: hand to because unfortunately there have been people allowed to
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  Speaker 9: come to our country who don't share our values, and
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  Speaker 9: that's also raising concern for voters as well, so, yes,
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  Speaker 9: I think it's a very toxic issue and the liberals
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  Speaker 9: got right, they could do real harm to labor.
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  Speaker 2: Well what do you make of that, Michael particularly. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening very closely to Cameron saying sharing our values
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  Speaker 2: and all that, But how do you do that without
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  Speaker 2: being kicked from pillar to posts of being racist.
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  Speaker 1: I think they've got to be very careful on this.
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  Speaker 10: I think focusing on the quantum is the right strategy,
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  Speaker 10: and they also got to pick their mark. And I've
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  Speaker 10: said on many occasions where they should be looking is
• 16:26
  Speaker 10: at the education Ponzi scheme. That's where I think they
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  Speaker 10: can get some quick cut through. The fact of the
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  Speaker 10: matter is that a lot of those people that there's
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  Speaker 10: this whole education tertiary sector education Ponzi scheme is bringing
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  Speaker 10: into the country puts all of that pressure on demand
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  Speaker 10: for housing and rental pressure. And I think they can
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  Speaker 10: get some quick runs without having a fight on this
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  Speaker 10: sort of you know what type of immigrants. Clearly, the
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  Speaker 10: line there's got to be about skilled immigration values is
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  Speaker 10: a really hard proposition. That's why I think you need
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  Speaker 10: to focus on skilled and the impact on the housing
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  Speaker 10: sector to get a cut through.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably right.
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  Speaker 2: Just quickly, Cameron, I was wondering, it's a fascinating question.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't heard anyone ask yet.
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  Speaker 2: We've got our politicians, you know, thanks to all these
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  Speaker 2: net zero schemes and whatever and bad planning, we're running
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  Speaker 2: out of electricity for Australians. But now we've got tech
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  Speaker 2: giants investing in new data centers here for the artificial
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  Speaker 2: intelligence boom. But they need well the kind of electricity
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  Speaker 2: you need to run a decent sized town, more than
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  Speaker 2: we have. In fact, you know, there's estimates of eleven
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  Speaker 2: twelve percent over the next by twenty forty twelve percent
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  Speaker 2: of our electricity for these data centers by then. It's astonishing.
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  Speaker 2: And we are being warned that these companies then might
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  Speaker 2: need to get their own polls, wires, wind and solar farms.
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  Speaker 2: But what if they say no, What if they say, well,
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  Speaker 2: actually we would like our our own nuclear plant like
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  Speaker 2: Google and Microsoft are trying to have in the US,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe even a new coal plant for reliable power.
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  Speaker 2: Is the government going to say no to those plans,
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  Speaker 2: no to that investment, or we can't have coal, we
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  Speaker 2: can't have nuclear?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I mean that's right, I mean Google and Microsoft
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  Speaker 9: are buying their own power and their own power plants
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  Speaker 9: to satisfy their data centers in the US, as you're
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  Speaker 9: het rightly, macad Andrew. Now, my great worry here is
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  Speaker 9: the conundrum for the government is that we actually need
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  Speaker 9: to be AI lead. We need data centers, we need this,
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  Speaker 9: But the cost of the energy to run these things
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  Speaker 9: is phenomenal and that's what hasn't been factor in by
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  Speaker 9: state or federal governments properly. I mean, the computers that
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  Speaker 9: run this need to be refrigerated to incredibly cool degrees
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: to actually run. So no, you're right, Andrew, I think
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: it's a serious policy issue and one that actually needs
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: to be exposed and talked about more openly.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I came to see where we're going to get
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that twelve percent extra power from by twenty forty. Michael Costsa,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Cameron Milner, thank you very much to you both. After
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the break, you're not going to believe the new four
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: part drama the ABC has got for you next year.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But the Albaniz the governor too, you They will be cheering.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Our country has changed in ways I could never have
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: dreamed in my nightmares. I've never seen so much racism,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: including official racism, you know this new apartheid races treated
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: differently even in hospitals. And then there's the due hatred
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of course, synagogues attacked, even burned cars and buildings tagged
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: with viol anti Semitic slogans, Jews attacked and threatened. Meanwhile,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: there's those pro Palaesinian protests so angry and weak after
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a week, that are too often seen to include jew haters.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So no surprise that a report today by the Executive
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Council of Australian Jury says the number of anti semiticant
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: incidents in Australia has exploded. John mus Rondinas, through Chief
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of The Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders every Sunday at
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: nine am and host of his own show on Fridays
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: at seven pm, Rowan, could you have ever imagined all
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that even a decade ago? Where on earth has it
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: Well, funnily enough, Andrew I kind of did imagine it
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: a decade ago.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Just over a decade ago.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: I wrote an article which kind of was widely spread
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: even around the world, called Dinner Party Anti Semitism, in
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: which I spoke or wrote of the fact that what
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: puzzled me. And this was I think around the time
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: of the Second Interfarda, And what puzzled me was that
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: you could go out to a normal kind of you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: evening with some neighbors or people you were happened to
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: be playing tennis with, or people you happen to know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: and it'll all be, you know, all jolly and hunky dory,
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: and you might have some political disagreements about this or that,
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: or chatting away, but all too frequently the mask would
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: slip and after a few drinks out would come some
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: of the most vile anti Semitic comments, and from people
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: who were at university, people who held good jobs, who
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: were otherwise articulate and sensible. It was almost like they
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: needed permission to be anti Semitic, and the interfart gave
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: them that opportunity to say the most repulsive things. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: remember one woman saying, well, of course they're attacking the Jews.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: People have always attacked the Jews, so there must be
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: something wrong with them. And you just sit there and disbelief.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: It's someone who's a university degree educated, or maybe that's
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: the problem, well educated in a good job, and the
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: problem is Andrew recently, obviously, some very dark actors have
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: taken advantage of October seventh pushed the whole pro Hamass
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: pro Palestinian agenda in all sorts of vile ways, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: that's been horrific, and we've talked about that. But what's
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: even more disturbing is more recently, and we've long noticed
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: the collusion, if you like, between the left, the hard left,
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: and Islamist anti Semitics antisemitism. Those two forces seem to have
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: very happily joined each other.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: But what we've.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: Seen more recently this year, which I find really disturbing,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: is this kind of on the right, so called right.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: You've got very influential podcast as intelligent people Tucker Carlson,
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: Candae Owens to name but a few, who again are
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: basically redoing what I wrote about dinner party antisemitism. They're intelligent, articulate,
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: well regarded people who suddenly the mask slips and you
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: get this vile antisemitism in a way that they would
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: never speak about people of whatever ethnicity or color or whatever.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: And it's really disgusting, and that permission that gives other people,
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: that sort of broad group of people in the middle
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: who really don't know much about politics, or certainly don't
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: know much about the Middle East.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Permission give the lead, they give the lead.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely correct, Funny, maybe I should have said a
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: decade ago. I do remember giving lectures a Jewish groups saying,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you know, the Jewish intelligence has always looked to the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: left for their allies. And I said, but where they're
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the ones that are going to get you because Jews
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: are too white, they're too rich, they're too capitalists, and
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you know, there's too many people now marinated and sort
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of kind of Marxism, where if someone's poor, like the Palestinians,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: relatively poor, then someone's been oppressing them. It's never the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: result of your own decisions. Boy, I've started to get
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: disinvited after a while, which they didn't want to hear that.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: But now it's absolutely and listen, I couldn't believe Rowan.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: The ABC's lineup of shows for next year now remember
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it's taxpayer funded. It's line up includes a four part
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: drama four parts on the Morrison government's robodebt scandal, when
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the government used you know, faulty assumption of computer models
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to accused a lot of the strands of taking more
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Center League handouts and they're entitled to The blurb is scandalous,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Shocking shakedown. ABC is gripping new drama exploring the human
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: costs of the Robodets scandal, and it comes just after
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: SBS also ran them in a series three parts The
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: People Versus Robodebt, just this year. I mean, what's going
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: on here? Have there mean no labor disasters as are dramatize?
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: Well there, we can get onto that in a second, Andrew,
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: I can think of far more compelling viewing than the Robodebt.
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, most people, if you said, then there's a
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: film about robo debt, they assume it was a kind
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: of cyborg Arnold Schwarzenegger terminator type thing that wouldn't really
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: be aware of what you were talking about. But the
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: the pathetic thing here is, as with everything with the ABC,
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: you have to ask yourself would it survive in the
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: open market? In other words, if you took this idea,
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: this script along to you know, some film funder, some
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: production company and said, hey, you've got this great idea.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: It's Scott you know, Scott Morrison, and there's Robodets, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: there's this, and there's that, I think you wouldn't get
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: past the door. But if, however, you would say I've
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: got a script based on, you know, I don't know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: a cover up of a rape scandal in Parliament and
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: various characters, I think your script would get the tick
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: straight away. Or even if you came up with a
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: script about an individual who's so obsessed with his green
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: ideology that he plans to destroy the entire country with
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: windmills and solar panels, you probably have a better film
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: out of that as well. Robo Debt, I mean, seriously,
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: it's taxpayer money being spent.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It's two taxpayer organizations individual do to mini series on
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the robo scandal years after it was resolved.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: And honestly they are funded. You missed.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: There's a missing step here. They were also funded by
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: tax poys as well. They weren't just commissioned by the ABC,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: they were funded by various you know, Commonwealth groups.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just disgusting.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Just quickly run forty five thousand dollars. Meanwhile, for a
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: party to say goodbye to managing director David Anderson, Is
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it fair enough that you and I and the viewers
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: were made to pay for it?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: And this is again just what a disgrace the ABC are.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: They treat our money as if it's paper money that
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: they can throw around. They pay their executives more than
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: they would earn it out in the private sector. It
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: used to be that public servants were paid less because
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: they had the job security. That's all been turned on
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: its head. Public servants will earn more than they would
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: do in the private sector, funded by the taxpayer, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: then they carry on with this myth that they've got
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: to have all the perks of the private sector. The
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: fancy parties that this the travel and whatever, all on
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: the taxpayer dime. The reality is this bloke was paid
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: a million or so dollars a year. I would argue,
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: and others might disagree, but I would argue that the
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: ABC's content, both in news and in non news, is
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: far less than it was a decade or so ago.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: That might be his holt, not his audience, but.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: The audience audience the radio rating as much. Law Down
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Dean absolutely correct. Thank you so much for your time
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: after the break and your report shows that you were
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: told global warming falsehoods by the Prime Minister during a
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: cyclone and by one of the teal MPs, which seems
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: allergic to the truth. I'll show you the video more
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: proof this week that global warming politicians would rather frighten
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you with falsehoods than calm you with the truth. Politicians
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: alike Prime mister Anthony ALBINIZI. You may remember Alban EASi
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: back in March beating up climate dystery about severe tropical
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: storm Trevor, which was actually too weak when it hit
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Land to be called a cyclone.
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: The science tells us that there would be more extreme
• 28:25
  Speaker 13: weather events, they would be more frequent, and they'd be
• 28:27
  Speaker 13: more intense I than anyone who looks at the science
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: knows that that is what is occurring. So you can't
• 28:35
  Speaker 13: say this event is just because.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: Of climate change.
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: What you can say is that climate change is having
• 28:43
  Speaker 13: an impact on our weather patterns.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: You heard, they're one of the most repeated foke scares
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: of global warming alarmist that global warming is giving us
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: more cyclones or worse ones.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: But even then, and that's.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Before this new research I'll tell about in a second,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: those claims were plainly nonsense, as appointed out for years now.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Our Bureau of Meteorology has long shown that we've been
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: getting fewer cyclones and fewer severe ones over the past
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: well fifty five years now, and the United Nations Into
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Government Panel on Climate Change, the APCC it admitted in
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one that Australia had a decreasing trend in
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Eastern Australia since the nineteenth since the eighteen hundreds of
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: tropical cycloneses riching land. So the science had spoken, But
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: look what happened when scone's presenter Laura Jays read out
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that IPCC statement to Federal Teals MP's Ze Stegel back
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: in March, when she too was trying to claim that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: events like Trevor would happen more often, et cetera, et cetera.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: A Trevor was then flooding Lismore. Oh, this is just
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: as the start of what's going to come.
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: Sadly, we know these events are going to happen more frequently,
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: at a greater scale, bigger impact each time, and that
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: risk is escalating.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: And it says landfall frequency over Australia shows a decreasing
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: trend in Eastern Australia since eighteen hundreds, as well as
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: in other parts of Australia since eighteen eighty two. Paleo
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: climate proxy reconstruction shows at the recent levels of tropical
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: cyclone interactions along the Australian coastline are the lowest in
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: the past five hundred and fifty to fifteen hundred years.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: So what is the climate impact of this cyclone?
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: It's great if cyclones are less frequent. Unfortunately, go and
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: say that to the Lismore community.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Honestly, ask the people in liz Moore. You know they
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: trump the sides people traumatized in standing in a flood.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You're going to listen to that for a picture of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: global warming around the world, I mean seriously. But now
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: updated research by Roger Pielke, Junior, one of the world's
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: top authorities and on hurricane damage and cyclone damage. This
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: research underlines how wrong alarm us like Albanezi and Steggele are.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Dr Pilkey is a professor emeritus of Environmental Studies at
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the University of Colorado at Boulder, and he runs an
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: influential substack site devoted to climate change information. He joined
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: me earlier from his hotel room on the road. Professor Pilke,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. You have now
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: updated your research on the accumulated energy of cyclones, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: as I read it, it again shows that claims that
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: we are getting more cyclones or more intense ones are false. Now,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: can you take us through what your findings are? Starting
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: with this graphic of yours that I'm showing of total
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: accumulated cyclone energy around the world for the past fifty
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: four years, what does it tell us?
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: So, accumulated cyclone energy is combination of the frequency, so
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: the number of storms and their intensity. It's a combined metric.
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: And so what this graph shows, it's data from the
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: US NOAH Agency that's processed by Colorado State University. It
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: shows that there's been no upward trend over the last
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: forty plus years in that particular metric, consistent with what
• 32:20
  Speaker 15: the Inner Governmental Panel on Climate Change has concluded about
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: tropical cyclones.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Now, then you get people saying, all right, we might
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: not get more, but they.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Will be worse.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Then there's this graphic though of yours, showing accumulated energy
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: per cyclone around the world. What does that one tell you?
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: So there's a hypothesis out there, and it's important to
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: recognize it's a legitimate hypothesis that we will see overall
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: less storms, but the ones we do have will be
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: more intense.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: So if you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: Combine those two projections together, that would imply that we
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: have more ACE, more accumulated cyclone energy per storm. And
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: so when we look historically, that trend certainly does not
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: appear in the data globally to date. It may emerge
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: yet sometime in the future. But anyone claiming that we've
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: seen an increase in the intensity of storms based on
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: that hypothesis is not yet correct.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: See this is what is confusing me. I think that
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: data is unambiguous. I've suggested other data earlier in the show.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Why do you think politicians and activists keep saying the opposite,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: that we are getting more cyclones or at least getting
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: more intense ones causing more damage.
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: Yeah, anyone making the claim that we've seen clones or
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: more intense cyclones, it's the consensus scientific assessments of the
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: ITCC and our governmental Panel on Climate Change, and also
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: the readily available data in actual acts. Hurricanes tropical cyclones
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: globally are not the best place to look for signatures
• 34:05
  Speaker 15: of human colst claimate change, simply because there's so few
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: of them, and especially so few intense hurricanes in any
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: given year. So even if there are very small signals
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: in the data. It would take many decades and perhaps
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: longer for those signals to be detectable in the data sets.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's weird to me this whole cyclone's theory
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: really kicked off, particularly as you know with our Gore
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and is Inconvenient Truth had a big hurricane motif on
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the poster for Inconvenient Truth Hurricane Katrina, and it's been
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: perpetuated ever since that we will get more and worse
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: ones when the data actually shows we don't, in fact
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the opposite for Australia. Why the persistence of this belief though.
• 34:58
  Speaker 15: Yeah, there's a delightful irony in that movie poster from
• 35:02
  Speaker 15: Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth Hurricane Katrina coming out of the
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: smokestack is spinning the wrong way as if it were
• 35:08
  Speaker 15: a Southern Hemisphere hurricane. And I think to me that's
• 35:12
  Speaker 15: a bit of a metaphor for the fact that hurricanes
• 35:15
  Speaker 15: are very photogenic, they cause tremendous destruction, They can be
• 35:19
  Speaker 15: very tragic also, as we've seen tropical systems in Sri
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: Lanka just this week, and it makes them readily available
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: for being exploited in advocacy campaigns. Climate change is real
• 35:31
  Speaker 15: and it's important, but it doesn't deserve exaggerating the consequences
• 35:35
  Speaker 15: for extreme weather or their impacts. And it just so
• 35:38
  Speaker 15: happens that hurricanes have become a favored topic for promotion
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: of climate change.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Now, I just want to emphasize the point you just made.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You say climate change is real, and I want to
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: sure view is not as skeptical as I that I
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: am not talking to a written tooth and law denialists,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: that you have been consistent on that point. But my
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: question to you is this, If climate change for US
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: means fewer cyclones and fewer intense funds, which it does
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: seem to be in Australia, isn't climate change good?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 36:21
  Speaker 15: The main issue with human cost climate change is not
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: certainties about how the future will evolve. It's the uncertainties
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: and areas of ignorance. And all I was equal, we
• 36:31
  Speaker 15: would certainly prefer not to be provoking the global energy
• 36:36
  Speaker 15: balance through the emission of greenhouse gases. That gets us
• 36:39
  Speaker 15: to the starting line when talking about policy. Energy policy
• 36:43
  Speaker 15: has many dimensions. Reducing emissions is but one of them.
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: So to our energy costs, energy access, energy availability and reliability,
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: and in many places around the world. People just simply
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: don't enjoy the benefits of energy as you and I do.
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: So climate change and extreme evds are a consideration, but
• 37:02
  Speaker 15: they're certainly not the issue on the positive side of
• 37:05
  Speaker 15: the ledger or the negative side. And for too long
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: advocates have exploited extreme weather in ways that go well
• 37:11
  Speaker 15: beyond what science can support, which undermines the entire effort
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: to respond to climate change.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Professoral Japilki, thank you so much in DVIR time.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Always enjoyed talking to you. Thank you, Thank you, Andrew
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: after the break.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: A third example of government waste today and this last
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: one is just bizarre.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Plus a top Japanese diplomat asks.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Why isn't Australia defending Japan from vile Chinese threats to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: behead it's prime minister. If you thought it really must
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: have given you the whole day's news about bureaucrats whooping
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: it up on the tax paid dollar, you were wrong.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I've got one more, you know, the Future Fund. That's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a massive pot of money that's meant to cover the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: cost of the super for public servants. There's also money
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: there for medical research, but it's all been set up
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: by the government so essentially it is our money. Except
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the head of the super fund has just told the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Senate hearing he sent his executive assistant on at least
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: two business class trips overseas, including one and get this,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to inspect hotel rooms for the executives see if they
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: were up to snuff.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: We wanted to make sure we had the appropriate set
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: up for hotels, including whether they were in safe places
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: within cities. And secondly that the relationship with the hotel
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: managers would help with the negotiation of ropes. And that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: what transported.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Joining me Scoe New's James McPherson and communications consultant Christi
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: ms sweeney, who's worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and always flowing economy James.
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: Always so to learn way even entitled to five business always.
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  Speaker 2: May I just may I just exalt you as an
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  Speaker 2: example this government should cover because Jane, so far I
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  Speaker 2: have covered Minister Anika Wells spending one hundred and nine
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  Speaker 2: few thousand dollars on a trip to New York, the
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  Speaker 2: ABC spending forty five thousand dollars if I own money
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  Speaker 2: on a farewell party for its boss. And now this
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  Speaker 2: an executive assistant and business class to go and check
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  Speaker 2: out hotel rooms for the Boss. I mean, really, what
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: do you make of that?
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  Speaker 17: Well, what I make of to Andrew is it seems
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  Speaker 17: like the Future Fund is run by the Kadashians. I mean,
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: that's the sort of thing they would do. Send your
• 39:41
  Speaker 17: EA to, you know, try out five star beds and
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: breakfast buffets to report back to the Boss how soft
• 39:48
  Speaker 17: the mattress was and how good the omelet tasted. It's
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: just incredible. And as for the Disneyland part, the Future
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: Fund Boss went to the Disneyland Club thirty three. It's
• 39:59
  Speaker 17: very exclusive, as I understand it. Membership costs about thirty
• 40:02
  Speaker 17: five thousand US plus an annual fee of about twenty
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  Speaker 17: five thousand dollars US. He was asked did Australian taxpayers
• 40:10
  Speaker 17: pay for that? And he said, I can't remember. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 17: reckon you would remember who paid that much money. But
• 40:18
  Speaker 17: here's the great part, Andrew. The reason he was at
• 40:20
  Speaker 17: Disneyland was to study Disney culture.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty clear.
• 40:25
  Speaker 17: That culture in the Australian public service it's a culture
• 40:28
  Speaker 17: of entitlement and it really needs to stop because stuff
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  Speaker 17: like this and the stuff you spoke about earlier in
• 40:34
  Speaker 17: your program is absolutely outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: Chris sy, When was the last time you spent fifty
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars but then forgot whether you actually did or
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  Speaker 2: you didn't on a club?
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  Speaker 16: Seriously, it is extraordinary, is it now? Senate estimates, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 16: is one of those things that people like me are
• 40:58
  Speaker 16: forced to sit through because it's what we do for
• 41:01
  Speaker 16: a job. The great lot of it is incredibly boring. However,
• 41:05
  Speaker 16: today produced quite a few gems of government waste and
• 41:10
  Speaker 16: the orival entitlement of senior public servants, and also determined
• 41:16
  Speaker 16: to all of us that the Minister for Communications can't
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  Speaker 16: catch an uber or a town car. Eis in the
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: public service have about the best EBA going. I would say,
• 41:28
  Speaker 16: I have worked for some incredibly wealthy people, and I
• 41:32
  Speaker 16: tell you what, when it's your own money, there is
• 41:35
  Speaker 16: no such largess as that. Maybe the Kardashians James Stewart,
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  Speaker 16: But here in Australia, private businesses certainly are not flying
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  Speaker 16: eos to check out hotel rooms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah but James, you know, he says, Christy says, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in each individual example of God, I mean, it's not
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: going to sink. It's not either. Here nor this chicken feed,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: they'll say, in the context of the spending around, massive
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: spending encourages more massive spending. I think the problem is
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  Speaker 2: they're indicative of a culture. That's what worries me. And
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  Speaker 2: it's no surprise to me, and I doubt it is
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  Speaker 2: to you to hear the government now telling bureaucrats, oh,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: my goodness, we need to find billions of dollars of
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: savings because they've run out of our money.
• 42:21
  Speaker 17: Andrew, culture is what culture does. So whatever you see
• 42:25
  Speaker 17: around you, that becomes the Norman. So you think, well,
• 42:28
  Speaker 17: that boss over there is doing it, and the head
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: of that department is doing it, so why aren't I
• 42:33
  Speaker 17: doing it? And so the whole thing just continues to
• 42:36
  Speaker 17: ramp up. As you pointed out, the government are now
• 42:39
  Speaker 17: demanding that these bureaucrats find savings.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Well, guess what.
• 42:44
  Speaker 17: They're not going to have to look very hard, are they.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That's true, but I mean they shouldn't have even had
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to look in the first place for these Chris. The
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: This is a bit trivial, I'm sure, and there may
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: be really down the line explanation, but speaking of public
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: service bureaucrats, the Bureau of Meteorology which has just spent
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: ninety six million dollars on a botched website designed for
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: security upgrade, now has a new boss who turned up
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to send it estimates this week to explain that incredible
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: blowout while wearing this strange thing around his neck. I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: guess it's something tribal or something or New Age. Turns
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: out has worn something similar in a Melbourne radio interview,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: plus other exotic neckwear in the Pacific and also at home.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Is it refreshing, is it individual or is it sending
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a bit of a flaky vibe?
• 43:48
  Speaker 16: Look, Andrew, I don't know what it is, and I
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: am loath to say on television what it looks like
• 43:54
  Speaker 16: in case it is some sort of religious affiliated costumery
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: or icon, and I'll get canceled for saying it. But
• 44:06
  Speaker 16: I don't know what that is. I really don't know.
• 44:09
  Speaker 16: But if we could stick to the bomb spending ninety
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  Speaker 16: six million dollars on a website and lying about it,
• 44:17
  Speaker 16: first it was four million, then it was revealed that
• 44:19
  Speaker 16: it was ninety six million, Then it was revealed that
• 44:22
  Speaker 16: it was ninety six million, paid to Eccenture, one of
• 44:24
  Speaker 16: the Big four consulting firms, under the environment, where the
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: Finance Minister Caatie Gallagher is just us the public servant
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: to find five percent cuts, and under the environment, where
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: she has been at pains to say since the Albanesi
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: government was elected, we will use these consulting firms less
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: and stop spending wasteful dollars of taxpayers money the bomb.
• 44:46
  Speaker 16: It has really blown that out of the water and
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: embarrass the government. Oh well, yeah, badly.
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  Speaker 3: Look I agree.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I mean that we've got four examples in one show
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: this amazing spendethon James.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Can you put us right at what that neck wear is?
• 45:04
  Speaker 17: Well, Andrew, I don't think it's a fashion choice, that's
• 45:08
  Speaker 17: for sure. I'm sure he didn't wake up and think, gee,
• 45:11
  Speaker 17: this looks really good. I think he's clearly sending a
• 45:13
  Speaker 17: message to somebody. I suspect it's two Pacific Islanders, maybe
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: where he's done a lot of work prior to joining
• 45:21
  Speaker 17: the BOMB. That's my best guess. But you'd think when
• 45:24
  Speaker 17: there's a crisis of confidence, when there's a crisis of
• 45:28
  Speaker 17: confidence in the Bomb, you'd really think the new leader
• 45:31
  Speaker 17: would play it straight, wouldn't you. But maybe maybe wearing
• 45:34
  Speaker 17: neck decoration like that is appropriate since his neck is
• 45:38
  Speaker 17: well and truly on the line after that ninety six
• 45:41
  Speaker 17: million dollar blowout on the website. So I don't know,
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: maybe it's appropriate.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you shouldn't have used that phrase neck on
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the line, because that's a segue to something more serious.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Christy I said last night that I found it appalling
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: that our government had said nothing. Well, China was monstering
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Japan and its female prime minister for saying Japan could
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: defend Taiwan if China attacked it. One Chinese diplomat even
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: said that China would cut off the prime minister's dirty neck.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And now one of our advisers, Shingo Yamagami, was Japan's
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: former ambassador to Australia, has said the same as I
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: did last night, writing when Australia came under tremendous pressure
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: from China was subject to similar economic coercion, Japan started
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: out loud that Australia was not walking alone. Is it
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: too much to expect the same from our Aussie mates
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: in times of need?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Is he right?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Should we have spoken up? Should our government spoken up?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Or is China threatened Japan? None of Australia's business.
• 46:44
  Speaker 16: Japan has indeed been a great friend to Australia. They're
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: our second largest two way trading partner after China and
• 46:52
  Speaker 16: equaling and close coming before the United States depending on
• 46:55
  Speaker 16: the year.
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: We also have a.
• 46:57
  Speaker 16: Regional Security Cooperation of GREEND with them, which lets the
• 47:02
  Speaker 16: two countries work together a share intelligence on things like
• 47:05
  Speaker 16: cyber threats and surveillance that of course come from China,
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: so they are helping us in our efforts to do
• 47:12
  Speaker 16: that in the region. We also have a Defense Access
• 47:15
  Speaker 16: agreement with them where we share joint military exercise of course,
• 47:19
  Speaker 16: as we build our Australian defense force to defend against
• 47:22
  Speaker 16: Chinese activity off the coast of China and throughout the Pacific.
• 47:26
  Speaker 16: So they are indeed a very very good friend to us.
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: This just demonstrates the pressure that China is exerting worldwide,
• 47:34
  Speaker 16: stepping up their pressure on governments that they have partnerships
• 47:38
  Speaker 16: with and almost baiting governments to say something against them
• 47:44
  Speaker 16: so they can respond with diplomatic actions and tariff reductions
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: and things like that we have seen in the past.
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: We've seen this in the UK. The Chinese government is
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: building a new embassy they bought the British Mint six
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: years ago. They have submitted their plans to the UK
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: government and grade out a number of those floor plans
• 48:08
  Speaker 16: and are refusing to tell the UK government what is
• 48:11
  Speaker 16: actually going to be in the building and what those
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: grade out areas are. They're arguing the United States didn't
• 48:18
  Speaker 16: have to do it. Kirs Darma is off to China shortly,
• 48:21
  Speaker 16: and of course China is almost baiting him to say
• 48:24
  Speaker 16: something about these embassy plans, almost like we're being baited
• 48:29
  Speaker 16: putting in this situation with Japan. It's very very I just.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Think this is a nousy act. I mean the threats
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of ahead the Prime Minister of an analysis that is
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: our business. James International Community, James First and Christy mcsweetey.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much to you both. Coming up next,
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  Speaker 2: Sherry Marks and good note