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Bear Bones: To IR and Back Again, Week 2: Chicago Bears @ Detroit Lions · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Bear Bombs.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: With your hold.
• 0:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Dr. Mason West.
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome in to this episode of Bear Bones as always.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am Mason West and today I am joined by the great Jacob and Fonsej.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jacob, how are you doing?
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing alright.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wish that we're coming off for the better bears game to talk about, but yeah, I'm doing alright, I'll think it's considered.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, really
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: what we have time third quarter actually I'm not going to say third quarter half time but I felt that yours are I cool get to march it out of there with a week one victory and then you got to do the post game show so that was either terrible or cathartic for you I'm not sure which and I was doing those last year it was usually combination of both yeah
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get right into it.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: First part of this chart review, just a couple of quotes, notes, pieces of news from the week.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are from the press conferences, things like that.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll chair a thoughts before we get rolling into it.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: First one, Ben Johnson on Kale Williams, being receptive on the sideline and after Monday, nice loss.
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben said, very positive.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been consistent for springtime for pre-season to now.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think are really good in terms of cleaning up the mistakes and moving forward.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously, you're not going to like, lamb bastard quarterback if you really were felt he was terrible or not receptive.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, Ben's been pretty up front about how it feels about things.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I like hearing that in terms of what do we felt about Caleb on the sideline and following that loss.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, absolutely.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that, and that's a big thing too, is obviously Caleb Williams is a very talented passer.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a matter of, it can, can all come together, can it gel well in the offense.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, there are some hiccups here and there, especially in the second half, but I think that, especially for a young quarterback, the most important thing is are you coachable?
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or like, can we teach you these things and then you pick them up?
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's something that,
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: If it's true, and I assume that it is, what Ben Johnson said about the Caleb being receptive to feedback and improvement and stuff like that, and that's definitely encouraging, because this early in the game, you don't know everything.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even as a long time quarterback, you don't necessarily know everything.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you need to prove that you're able to be coached, you need to prove that you're able to be worked with, and I think that if Ben Johnson say
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's a step in the red direction for sure.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of how we're relating to this upcoming gaming, it gets the lines, which is what we're primarily doing here.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: This line's defense did not look great last week, taking on the packers, they allowed 27 points.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: In a way, I mean, 17 of those points by the packers was in the first half, seemed like they took the foot off the gas pedal a little bit.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So one can make the argument that this line's defense can be had, but you're only going to be able to do that if you're able to learn from that previous week.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Looking ahead Ben Johnson also said that in terms of common unguys usage going forward, I need to call more runs.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the long quote, but essentially is how we'll both bow down to it.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I only had nine snaps, zero carries bears as a whole head 20 carries that were not Caleb Williams.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That total 61 yards Caleb had 58 of his own.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: 11 of those carries were in the first half and seven to the third quarter.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: and that they had, uh, the bear has had nine minutes and 12 seconds of possession compared to the Vikings at 548.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you, and this is looking ahead again to this line's game in terms of how you to use the run versus the past.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, why didn't they ultimately run more of the lead and do you expect this potentially change, especially with Ben Johnson's comments going into week two?
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so truthfully, I'm not 100% sure why he didn't rely more on the run game, especially when you're up by multiple scores.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think part of it is maybe trying to overcompensate, like, hey, we want to make sure that we're putting the foot on the gas pedal, making sure that we're not playing too passive, which, I mean, I understand and I appreciate, but at the same time, too,
• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: it would definitely would have been more beneficial to run the ball a little bit more, especially once Caleb started having accuracy issues.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, particularly when they had him under center, and he was on play action, or just he was straight drop-backs, some of that footwork kind of tightened to fall apart, and then he didn't necessarily hit targets and stride on a consistent basis like that.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I think that it's definitely something to keep in mind in the second half if the bears do, uh, you know, get out to a similar lead against the lions or in future games that, hey, you know, you maybe you can't just go run, run, run for all three downs, but at the same time, you know, I feel like that's,
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: it's natural to prefer the run when you're up by that much because you want to bleed out the clock and make it tough as tough as possible for the opposing offense.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I do expect that Ben Johnson, Justin, you know, in some shape or fashion, you know, makes that change.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Lester Wolfhorn did an article talking about how you don't need the run to set up play action, which is true that the staff support that.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that the run does other things though, right, mentally, for an offensive line.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's big, being able to attack, go downhill, instead of sitting back and letting defensive tackles and edges just jump at you.
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mentality thing for the offense, right?
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Same with your running back.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, too, it's,
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a clock management situation like you talked about trying to real take time off when you're up.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you can keep going on and on why the run is necessary and like you just use with this that's what you alluded to there too.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they got away from it.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now on the other side, Kevin Byer talked to three and they talked about the lines run games.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He stated, Jr.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Gibbs and David Montgomery are one of the best if not the best back goes to the league.
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything begins with stopping the run game.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wholeheartedly believe that.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this might be something we talk about later in the show, but what are your thoughts on, like, biodecited with that tandem of sonic and knuckles over there to enjoy it?
• 7:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so in particular, I'm interested to see how that all plays out because the lions are coming off a game where they didn't run the ball very well against Green Bay.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I believe that at least on paper, the bears have a better group of defensive tackles than the Packers do.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't think that they're, you know,
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Adressors are nearly as good as what Green Bay has, but at the same time I think that there's talent there and if TJ Edwards does come back then that there should be a nice addition for the, you know, at linebacker at the second level, maybe clean up a little bit more tackles in that area.
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's going to be key to because.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you can commit to, we need to stop the run.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the main focus is, can we win in the trenches specifically along the interior because that's where the lions show that they struggled against Green Bay.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that if, you know, if Javan Dexter can, you know, rush the passer properly and generate some nice pressure, if Andrew Billings, Grady Jarrett, if they, you know, they can contribute up the middle as well.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: then I think they'd be a lot better off, so I think that that's going to be key for them is making sure that the defense of tackles do their job, making sure that they can, you know, they could two-gap properly make sure they can hold their own at the point of attack and, you know, eat up gaps, but at the naturally, yeah, I do think that, you know, stopping the run should be a key.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: for Chicago, because, I mean, you're looking at it, Jalen Johnson's expected to come back from injury.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we'll see on Kyla Gordon, but I feel like that in itself should help the secondary.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: The passing attack, I feel like Jared golf's going to be able to do decent no matter what, but I definitely think that stopping the run is going to be key for Chicago.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a path for them to do it, just remains to be seen if they can execute on it.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly like you said.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely think there's more depth and more pop for the Paris Defense of Wine.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you felt at Nestle about it, but I thought Noah's soul in the run game was at least.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: active, if not, you know, and effective, but definitely issue wise for him was more in the past coverage.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was rough throughout the game.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that being said, TJ Edwards, hopefully he's back, we'll talk about that a little bit.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can get to training around up.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he, you know, was seen.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a peasant moral likely to play this week that he was last week, really had no chance last week with that hamtering injury.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was dealing with last bit of news here before I move on.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson talked about his the hand-to-hand relationship of kill-lived accuracy in footwork When he was doing it properly the ball came out on time and I thought he was delivering accurate footballs But it's not 100% all the time and that's the thing that we were working through killed Williams Also talked about this believe some of his off through targets can sparse due to issues with footwork and even on throws or his feet were clean Not being hesitant is critical William specifically said I think that's always something that quarterbacks need to have in their mind and something I always try to have in my mind is be decisive
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: that a citizen is always wins, means that being hesitant and things like that, you start missing passes and easy passes that you feel that you don't typically miss.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely a couple of footwork issues, but I thought over all his body work would be one footwork wise was better than it was last year.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so like this, the mechanic thing wasn't even necessarily my issue last week, more of that secondary part that Caleb talked about the decisiveness, right?
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You would, you could see when you looked back at the film,
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: his eyes were in the right place, but it wasn't, it seemed like it entrusted what he saw, you know, it wasn't reading the keys and saying, okay, I got to throw this with anticipation, waiting for it to come open and so therefore, a lot of those he missed that window, move on, move on, move on and then all of a sudden either we're in the check down or
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, or worse, um, so in terms of transitioning this in that line's game, I think it's good that both Ben and Caleb are on the same page on this.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: We did not see that a lot in the last regime in terms of being on page.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to imagine this is something that this gets cleaned up a little bit going into week two.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, definitely should be.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that you hit the nail on the head and he definitely footwork wasn't all that consistent.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even if Caleb made the decisions to make a lot of the right throws, it seems like a lot of them either were inaccurate or they're just delivered to split second to late where he kind of hesitated and made it a little bit like getting the ball out.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's another thing, too, that's another hurdle that some of these young quarterbacks can have issues with coming in the league.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, especially in Caleb's case, it's a new offense, it's a new, you know, playbook that he's working with, it's is, you know, including colleges, it's this third playbook that he's had to learn, he's had to know in three years.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's had a lot being thrown at him and I don't expect things to be perfect.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: All of it, I did expect things to be better.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: than they ended up being on Monday night, but at the same time, I still think that there was enough on tape with Caleb to show confidence.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, especially in the first half, but even later in the game, he had a handful of throws that were really encouraging where you see those zip on the ball.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: You see the velocity, you see the flashes of placement, and that provides some, you know, that provides something to be excited for.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Training room round up.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is just where we're going to discuss some of the injuries.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: After all, I have to flex my muscles as a physical therapist somehow.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about some of the players for both the bears and the lions.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So starting with the DMPs, both Collar Gorn and Gray, Jarrett between the two, I would expect.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: pretty Jared's more likely to play.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't anything that he missed time for.
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of week one, me, also two, we were talking more likely joins.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that is more manageable, especially with Snaps, right?
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you've colored Gordon out there, and he's playing 90 plus percent of Snaps versus great Jared, you can do a rotation.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could have him active maybe play less of lower percentage of snaps and I think that would honestly be a good thing The bears starting Defense of Lyme play a hefty number of snaps in week one and I do wonder if that contributes to a little bit of the fatigue in a little bit of the Issues with that defense giving up more points in that fourth quarter than they did earlier in the game So depending on your depth would be helpful both codgorg and soft tissue issue
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: something he's had recurrently, I would be surprised if he plays this week.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Between those two, where do you, who would you be the most remissed at missing in their entirety?
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I mean, I'd be...
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Kyler plays a more important role in the bear's defense, but for the same reasons that you mentioned, I think greedy germs more likely to play just because realistically at a defensive tackle you're rotating that a little bit more.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not expecting as prominent of a snap by snap role, whereas with Kyler, I mean you have.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're in an equal formation, you're in time formation, majority of the time nowadays these days.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you're pretty consistently having him in there, and if he's hurt, then you need to make sure that you're playing it safe with him.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, while I will say that having a healthy, Kyler Gordon would be more beneficial.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: In my opinion, I do think that Grady Chair would be more likely to play as so that's something where, and like I agree with that too, where
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kyler shouldn't be forced to play unless, you know, he's in a decent, a truly field decent enough about his, about his status and with him being, you know, like do not participate at this stage, you know, that probably doesn't vote super well for him in a week too.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll have to see, obviously, but you know, that's just where I stand on it.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I,
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: real quick my I hear my my dog was yapping in the other room.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to be let out.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I will be back in like 20 seconds.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't want to hear.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it comes through on the camera and the audio or anything.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to have that just like in the background.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I will be right back.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good do you think.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Jacob's going to be right back.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to talk a little bit more about those two players that we were talking about there.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other layer to it too is when you look at who's behind.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if let's say we're going completionist here.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say great Jared could play or let's say hardcore.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to play either one.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: If great Jared doesn't play, Jacob had mentioned.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have Jragon Dexter.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have Andrew Billings.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: who can be there in the middle, your depth piece is there, right, with Chris Williams, and even potentially, you know, Schmart Turner, we have not really seen him, so we can't see if we need to necessarily rely on him at this point, but at least having him as an option, and you can rotate that.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: even to an extent to you, you do have some flexibility with your line, one of the things that they talked about with both Dio and Deng Boba.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: They also talked about that, which my turn was their ability to potentially play inside, play a little bit outside.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have options.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Versus, you flip at the other way with Kyle Gordon, you know, the bears secondary actually played pretty well.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Jason McCarthy, a last week, Jason McCarthy, was had a really rough two, three-quarters of that football game and then was able to find it at the very end there.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: in that sense, right?
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You had individual step up in a big way with Jim Johnson out.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Sean Wright, obviously with his pig sex, but overall play pretty well.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, on the other hand, Nick McCloud last week looked a bit rough and was directly scored on.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you missed Howard Gordon, that had to go to Nick McCloud is a big deal.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you missed greedy Jared, you can survive that.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: flipping down down to some of the limited participants here.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: TJ Edwards at that hamstring Josh Blackwell with the growing Rochon Johnson with the foot Johnny Walker with an ankle DJ Moore and Jalen Johnson both full.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So really good news.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: DJ Moore, Jalen Johnson, should be back.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know that DJ was checked for a concussion after that hit he had later in the game, and then
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: feeling a little bit messed up after that hit as well in the active and growing area.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jaylon obviously did not play a week one, but should 99% sure here play a week two.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have that mission off of the limits, right?
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Having TJ Edwards, we alluded to this earlier, would be fantastic just in terms of how instinctually he is and how important he is to getting the call in and the conversations that are had there.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Blackwell is important on special teams.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jada Walker was able to earn a role on the team for that same reason.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: and then you have the curious case of Rochon Johnson, right?
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the question I would have with that is in going back to kind of the Ben Johnson over at all, if you talked about the beginning, let's say we flipped it in common, none guy had been the one who was hurting Rochon, Rochon could have played.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Would we have seen a heavier lean on your running back to, right?
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know if you have any thoughts on that Jacob and how important Rochon being back would be to advancing this run game out of, honestly, how kind of ref it was and we going,
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think if the roles were reversed and Mananga, I was hurt and Rocham was in, I do think that you'd see a lot more running back, too.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, like you mentioned earlier in the show, you know, Swift put on a heavy workload, he was the only true running back to have any carries for Chicago on Monday night, which I get the sense isn't going to be their ideal plan for the rest of the season.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's just not his role, yeah.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It should be helpful, too, if you do get Rochon back.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm hopeful that he could play, obviously I'm not there and I can't see like exactly how he's, you know, how his injury recovery is progressing.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the way I look at it is, you know, a lot of his works going to be done in between the tackles, a lot of his work is going to be done in a rotation.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a sort of similar situation to, you know, you say like a greatie chair where he's going to be rotating a lot.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he doesn't need to play 80, 90% of SNAPs.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Rochon can play like 30% of SNAPs, I think that would be good.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that that's something that I'm going to be looking out for to see if Rochon can come back because I think that like I said, I think he's better in between the tackles and more decisive and aggressive.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, DeAndre Swift obviously is better in spaces the better athlete overall, but I think that having a different type of running back that you can like rely on like you know a little bit more of what Rochon is in the NFL than what you do with Kyle and Hongai at this stage.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that having someone where, you know what you're getting yourself into, I think that's that's something that could be very valuable for Chicago's backfield.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: even though TJ Edwards I'd argue has what have the biggest role out of those four limited participants.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of want to see Roe Sean play the most and that's the one that I'm pulling for the most is because, you know, I think that I'm sure Ben Johnson would agree.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he'd say it publicly, but I don't think that, you know,
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: every single backfield carry should be going to DeAndre Swift.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that it'd be curious to see maybe Rochon develops into a, you know, like a Jamal Williams type where, you know, he's not the splash player, but, you know, he runs the ball up the middle and he's there go to a short yard of situations.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's the, I mean, obviously, I hope all them recover, but I think that the most important
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not trying to make more of him than he is.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, I had some, I really liked Rochon coming out of college.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I kind of thought there was a whole overshadowed by B. John could actually be a pretty solid running back in the NFL.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Indaries have been his biggest thing, and that's why we're talking about him right now.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at him,
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: in like last year, 2024, he barely really got to run the ball.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had 55 of a time to see entire year.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when you look at him, I'm like, for example, next gen sports.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not there because he didn't have enough carries.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that was an injury thing.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a usage thing because he was really used for short yardage only and a couple other instances.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He actually had a success percentage according to their profile ball reference of 56.4% last year.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's rushing gains at least 40% of yards are part of first down, 60% required on second down, 100% third fourth down.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when you've handed him the ball, more often than not,
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: technically by 56% he was successful and that's not the case for running back across the league.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, again, don't want to make more of him than it is, but it's a type of runner that you don't really have.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't have in week one and where at least potentially maybe one that then wanted to trust in week one.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We do have to flip over to the line side.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of things to talk about over there.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Biggest one did not participate.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Taylor Decker.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're offensive tackle.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Currently is nursing a shoulder issue.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: No specifics on what that might be.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It could just be, you know, right this point.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, murder what we talked about with great Jared, management.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we know you we know you're good.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know you don't need the practice.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to just see you for some day.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if Taylor Dekker couldn't go as they're starting to have tackle, I mean, if Giovanni Manu stepping in, I just don't know who that guy is, never heard him before actually.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'd know a good number of people here.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, that was huge.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, absolutely, and I think that, I mean, obviously Taylor Decker's been a, like a main state on that Detroit offensive line for the entire time he's been there.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he came in in like 2016 or something like that out of Ohio State.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and then he's been a really good starter for majority of that.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, that'd be something huge too, where, you know, the Vikings didn't have Christian Darerson week one, so then having the lines and having Taylor Decker.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: would be beneficial to for Chicago's past rush, which, you know, I believe at this stage until they prove otherwise, I believe that they can use all the help that they can get.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's helpful to potentially have a little bit more luck bouncing in their direction with this.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, so,
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was college teammates with a field benedette at British Columbia, and he was the one who ended up getting drafted and benedette didn't.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that benedette was a little bit more polished, but Monu is he's like 300.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: 35 pounds or something like that, he's an incredible athlete, but I mean, he's pretty raw at this stage.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if, you know, we'll see, if Decker does play, then obviously, I think that's something that, you know, that'll be a little bit of a hurdle that the lions are gonna have to overcome.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, if for whatever reason, Decker doesn't play, I think that could be very beneficial for Chicago.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, more likely than not he is playing,
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: never know, but so really the only other one to highlight that I would say there's other names on here.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the only other one, Terran Arnold left the Lions game last week with an injury.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a full participant today, didn't participate yesterday.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to play, but he's already had a couple of things that have last year that and then obviously now this year that have had him had to leave game.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So even though he's playing and even though he was full,
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: does he get banged up again?
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's had some holding issues and things like that.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a very physical player, but when you're not feeling 100% right, do you also lean a little bit even more?
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So on being physical in the handsiness, strong.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's just something to keep an eye on.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, everyone else that really, really matters is going to be playing for this line soon.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see how Detroit, at least mentally, how they bounce back from that lost to Green Bay, because I mean, the Packers had a lot of momentum going into that.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, the Mike a Parsons trade, but I think that the lines often, definitely wasn't nearly as explosive as they probably wanted it to be.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Run game was very inefficient.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jared Goff didn't necessarily like the world on fire either through the air and, you know, the interior offensive line to try to look like it could be a serious issue, whether or not it's going to be a serious issue down the stretch when you have.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is it, Christian Mahogany, Tate Rat, ledge guys like that, who they're a little bit inexperienced, they're a little bit young, they're both talented.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But as they start to ease into that, starting roll a little bit more, maybe things even out, but I think the bears have an opportunity to take advantage of that inexperience along the interior.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think, yeah, like,
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rattlage in particular, I'm interested in because I like them a lot as a guard coming out of Georgia, but you know, where I look at the power of the tenacity and the straight line quickness, but keep in mind, you know, if he's playing at center, you know, that's a new position for him.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't really play that to my knowledge.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't play that much if at all during his time of Georgia.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So as he's learning that too, I think that's an opportunity for Chicago's defensive line to take advantage.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not they do, obviously we'll see, but I think it could be another really interesting game, and it's just a matter of, you know, can the bears bounce back after, you know, blowing that lead against Minnesota?
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're going to take a quick break here, and then we're going to get into some of the nitty gritty of this matchup.
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• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, knee, jerk reaction.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is just one hot take going into next week, Jacob, what you got.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is one, I'm kind of going to cheat here because I tweeted this out yesterday, but I did say I think my hot take is that your bond texture is going to have two sacks.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: against this Detroit line's offensive line.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not me to say, oh, the bears are gonna win this game guaranteed.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not me gonna say, the bears defense is gonna absolutely light up the Detroit's offense, but I do see a potential mismatch there.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I watch watching Dexter in week one and honestly, throughout much of his career, he's been an effective pass rusher along the defensive tackle position.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that he still has work to do as a run defender
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that you have a guy that quick, you have a guy with, you know.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: the length of the ability to work off a blocks and stack and shed.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know in the sack that he had against Minnesota, it's just a case of, you know, he's active at the point of attack.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: JJ climbed the pocket and then Dexter was there to, you know, stack into disengage and then shed the block and make the tackle.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that, you know, something similar could be in the works with Dexter.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It also had another pressure on top of that during the Minnesota game.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's going to be my take.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I think Dexter gets multiple sacks.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's a, like I said, a potential mismatch.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Dexter's really coming into his own as a pass rusher.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I keep say I don't think he's in that top tier of defensive tackles, because he's not great against the run.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that the very least you have an interior defensive
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: provide pressure and get to the quarterback.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's a very valuable thing.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think he's going to have a pretty good game.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know it's kind of a partially serious, partially joke that could go around where people compare the pressure rates or the sacks between Dexter and Jalen Carter.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Jalen Carter has zero stats so far in this year because he got kicked out for Hawking Alugi.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like,
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing, Dexter doesn't necessarily have to be that, and he's putting he had a good decent year last year.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's already shown, he's building on that, and he's showing that if he can continue to trajectory, he's on, he's a player that you're probably offering a second contract to, and in an extension, because he plays an important position, and he's gotten better year for year.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, absolutely.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, we can see like these last couple years what defensive tackles are making on in the open market, especially the ones who can rush the passer.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that boat's really well for Dexter when it is time comes for an extension.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I get whether or not he propels himself into that like that true top tier will, you know, remains to be seen, but I think at the very least right now, you have a quality, starting defensive tackle and someone who's young, someone who's athletic, someone who can rush the passer and he has all the traits of someone that could potentially cash in for a big payday.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: even with that crazy slow get off people were worried about.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: My knee jerk reaction is simply that the lines vibes right now and I mean from the team head coaches and the players.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they're setting up for either domination or huge disappointment.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dan Campbell is a very obviously emotional guy where he's just hard and asleep and has not been quiet about the importance of what this is going to be.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson talked about this a bit.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, now.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: that that came in Campbell, you don't text it every once in a while, that's still family, but he feels it can be just play off like atmosphere to the emotion.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have lines, players talking about how, hey, we have we could two circles, all that, and I know like lines fans are in that same boat too.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, there's going to be so much of that raw emotion in four-field, and really it's going to be up to the bears that can they take on that initial weight, right?
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's just going to be vibrant, they're going to want to, you know, stand up for the players that is stand up for their team, their coaches, and whether it's right or wrong with the whole Ben Johnson effects and going to a division rival.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if the bears can,
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: quite that down, whether it's scoring early, whether it's, you know, obviously, you could stop in the line for scoring.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can just ride out that initial wave, it's hard to keep that up.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're a limes team, when you put that much into it initially, and that's where all of a sudden you can see that, that energy and that emotion drop.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be a big thing.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's,
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be tough for bears fans to hear especially after the bears started off strong and then faltered off down the stretch.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I really do think that setting the tone early with an opening touchdown drive or, you know, like a force humble or an interception or something like that.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think would be huge for the bears from an energy, from a moment of perspective.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, especially with the Lions coming off a down game, you don't necessarily know what's going to happen there, how they're going to respond to it.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's potentially a perfect opportunity for Chicago to just hit the ground running, be like, all right, forget what happened in that fourth quarter against Minnesota.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're building off the good things that we had here.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then just pin your ears back and attack, really.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: To be a perfectly honest, this is something just brutally honest going into this game.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: For mine, it's I need Caleb to be more aggressive.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: According to next gen stats, Caleb had the fourth lowest aggressive throw percent at 5.7%.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, don't get it twisted, you know, other individuals.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: that are good quarterbacks were in that area so far this season.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Hurts was led the league or was the bottom league I should say at 4.3% patch of homes even though they didn't win, he still patched with homes that 5.1, Josh Allen at 6.5.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So those are all in your top five.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that stuff is not always super predictive.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you flip the script, it's very aggressive throws.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone can agree that overall the Cowboys had a good offensive game, Dak Press God wasn't led the league in aggressive percentage at 26.5.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Penix who had a good game, 26.2%.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now you also had sense of rattle or number 3 at 26.1, but the Saints kind of made that a game.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I say all that because
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if your wider seams are running wide opening or hitting them in winning, that's good.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good, right?
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have a low aggressive percentage because your pursuers are creating separation.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're turning down throws, having to scramble, take a sack every minute and once a while.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that point.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when you need to trust your arm, trust your keys, trust your playmakers, and be a bit more aggressive on those throws when you're letting the ball go.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and I think that like I definitely do want to see Caleb be a little bit more aggressive.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, it's been kind of echoed through the fan base going into the season where it's like, we want to see more interceptions, not because particularly we want to see Caleb make mistakes, but we want to see him.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: trying out deep passes, trying out those big plays.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And obviously those aren't gonna hit every single time.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: The only thing I'm a little bit worried about is yeah, the rates are a little bit low, but part of that I think might be because Caleb's been struggling there.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even when he did have those opportunities to throw the ball deep and even on those intermediate routes, there's some, there's a little bit of,
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: miss uh you know there's like a misconnection uh from a you know I don't whether it's chemistry or timing or you know so footwork in some cases Caleb hasn't shown at least in the NFL that he can consistently hit those plays so
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to try it out.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: In a game like this, I mean, I guess we'll see how it turns out.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be too close to the point where Ben Johnson might want to play it safe and not be like, hey, we're going to air it out deep with Caleb and see what happens.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at some point this here, I absolutely want to see more of that.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to, you know, at least see what you have.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: See what he's made of, and because your offense isn't going to be nearly as explosive if you don't have those big plays.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean Detroit had such a good offense because they were able to hit the deep ball.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Jamison Williams was such a good deep threat there.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sam Laporta was a fish in across the middle of the field on the seam.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jamirig hips can make plays out of the open field.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: if I think that that's an element that was kind of missing from the bears in week one.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But love to see if they can change that and week two or if not this week then go and forward hopefully.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: What was your to be perfectly honest?
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so I was kind of going into a couple different directions here, but the one that I ultimately settled on is I was looking at Drew down in a little bit and I so when I was setting up my my scouting reports that I do on my Patreon cheap plug, uh, but I, uh,
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't someone that I included.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did cover Donald Wright.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought he had a really good performance.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: All things considered two penalties, but one of them I really think, you know, the Phantom Holding Call was... That was crazy.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was wild.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he had a, he did have a fall start on top of that, but I mean, the holding call was, I think, a load of BS in my opinion, but...
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I was going through the offensive line and I was specifically focusing on Darnell right for the sake of that scouting report, but I did see Drew Dalman a little bit and I'll admit, I wanted to see I wish I could see a little bit more, you know, I think that, especially for a center that you're paying big money for, you know, he's been tremendous in Atlanta is entire, you know, for a majority of his career there.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a little bit disappointing to see him look, you know, rather average on week one.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not to say he was bad, particularly, but he didn't, he didn't stand out as, oh, that's a guy that just paid, what was it like, $13, $14 million a year, too.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's someone that I wanna see bounce back.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that, again, he's a really good fit for what the bears are looking to do in the run game.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd have to go back and check, but I know it's pretty heavily like something like 17 of their 20 runs or however much it ended up being, uh, we're zone runs, you know, as opposed to gap.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that, and Dallas, you know, it's supposed, you know, it didn't his time with the falcons prove that he's a very good zone blocking, a zone run blocker, uh, so I think, in theory, it's a good fit, but.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was, you know, I was admittedly a little underwhelmed with what I saw on Sunday night.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's someone that I'm looking forward to, you know, hoping that he rebounds.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, he's someone that I think does need to step up and do a little bit better.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's come a week.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at historically, but PFF, which in PFF is not the end-of-be-all, I want to say that there's this seems like a love hate when it comes to these grades.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But especially with the law, it's a line that I like to use in this part of the concoction.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you go back to even 2023.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He grayed out 82.3 overall, third among centers, but he grayed out 90 as a run blocker and 53 as a pass blocker.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: 2024 overall 78.8 you know 79.8 as a run blocker 66.6 as a pass blocker.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's always kind of been there for him a little bit where he's a better run blocker than he is a pass blocker.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you like you said though, it was such a pedestrian day for him.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: that you just thought they'd be just a little bit more there.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, he's a very smart guy.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you hear him talk about football, and intellectually, he fits that center of mold.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there just wasn't, that didn't show it all times in the game, like you were saying.
• 40:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no one hundred percent.
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again, he's someone where I'm confident that he gets back on track.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, it's a new offense for everybody.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the offensive unit and just football in general, I think, you know, for any team that it's going to be more tight, it's going to be more precise, uh, midseason or lateness season then it's going to be early on in the year when they're still getting their, you know, still getting their bearings together.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but yeah, he's someone I have confidence, he'll, you know, bounce back just because of his track record or against Tom Midlana, but yeah, I mean, that was someone I was a little
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and this humorous, just something we find quirky or funny, a couple of just two layered thing here.
• 40:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: According to next gen stats, Alameda is a key instrument, fourth in the NFL, and separation, and role-mate role-mate twelfth.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So two of your top four catch options were creating good separation, yet you didn't really feel it that way in terms of production, and considering the number of three and outs lack of scoring that the bear has had, especially in that second half, another little side note to that, DeAndre Swift had three receptions.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that part tells you that one Kale was not getting to his checkdowns later in the game And also two one of the things that DeAndrey Swift does best is working in open space I mean, he's not Shamir Gibbs, but if you go to Jamir Gibbs last year right blinds use him in a plethora of ways out of the backfield as a pest catcher
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: of not just on check downs and even this last week, I believe he had 10 receptions in the John Morton version of the lines often.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was, I find it a bit funny in a sad way that your career, there's two of your receivers from the top 15 in terms of creating separation and that your dynamic past catcher was in the terms of a running back was a bit of a side note, especially when you needed some dynamic plays when the offense was sputtering and particularly
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think that I was definitely encouraged with what I saw from Zacchaeus.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it showed that, I mean, obviously he took those snaps with the first team as the primary slot receiver there.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think, you know, it translated to what ended up, what is rolling it up being in week one.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious to see how that plays out.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rome all admit surprises me a little bit.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that when I went back to watch him, I definitely saw some good flashes of separation, especially against zone in terms of like, how he adjusted the tempo of his routes and had a feel for the soft spots around him.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But against man, I do think that the explosiveness out of those breaks were just okay.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess more than anything it speaks to is running IQ more so than this is the guy's shifty and who can change direction on a dime.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's sort of deal.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I will say the one thing that I found interesting is I know we go back to PFF not being the end of the all.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was also surprised Caleb Williams ended up 13th among the 32 starting NFL quarterbacks in week one.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was admittedly pretty shocked by that.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there were a couple players I thought had better performances.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: that ended up ranking below Caleb, like for example, I think Daniel Jones had a very good game with the Colts and their, you know, their blowout win.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it just goes through the list here.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was ahead of guys like Jordan Love, who I think was also pretty solid as well.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Brock Perti, like pretty solid, Michael Penex as well.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: All those guys were, I mean, he was ahead of number 24 NFC player of a week, JJ McCarthy.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I do think that for the most part, Caleb did outperform JJ, you know, in three of those four quarters.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's fair.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was crazy, though, by the way, him is player the week.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, all the power to him, awesome.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But my favorite was when they put, they had it, Josh Allen, that's what are Josh Allen's numbers and JJ's numbers next to each other.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, come on, like, you were going to be doing this right
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, good on him, he had a really good fourth quarter, but yeah, I just don't see that either way.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that Caleb, I was a little surprised that he ranked out that high, granted that comes in with the caveat that he was, you know, better as a runner than he was as a passer.
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: As I rank here, Caleb was middle but wrote as a passer and then as a runner he was fourth.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: behind Jalen Hertz Lamar Jackson and Patrick Holmes.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a pretty good, you know, if there are three guys to be behind those are, that's pretty good company, but that was something I don't think that the metrics match the eye test for me.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of bear's fans will agree.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were expecting more out of him.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was expecting more out of him.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you were as well.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not to say that he was absolutely terrible.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, was he truly above average, as far as the league goes, I can't say that personally.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I just found that to be interesting.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how much to, I mean, the whole, it's week one conversation, I mean, there's a lot of guys lower on that list that you would even like, that you would expect to have played better, like Baker Mayfield, I mean, I did not think the book's offense would look like it did.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And my fans to team agrees with that guy thought, baby better.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, like, some of you probably chalked up to a little bit of week one where maybe some of the people who would normally be above him with how he played also just didn't really hit the crown
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, um, do you have a well-intest humorist or was that it?
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was my one.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was my one.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably just out of the Caleb's, uh, yeah, Caleb's right in there.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 46:16
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• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, back half of the pod here rolling through so some specifics and some pick-ups and some fun stuff here what you need to know this is Jacob right ask you some questions and you give us your raw unfiltered take on this.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not send Jacob these ahead of
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: trying to remove bias when it comes to the season as a whole, who is this game more important for?
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say the Lions, honestly, I think that, I mean, this is obviously a very important game for the Bears.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that starting off on two, especially with two losses within the division is an ideal, but I think that the Lions have higher expectations than the Bears going into this season, and I think that,
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: and oh and two start, especially and oh and two start within the division, I think would be, I don't wanna say catastrophic, but it would be a pretty big deal for them, especially given where their aspirations are and where the hype is expecting them to be.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the bears,
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if the bears come away with an eight and nine or nine and eight season then I think fans would be like, okay, yeah, that's fair, but if the lions fall short of winning the division, I think that that's going to be a disappointment for them, and that's it that's, you know, naturally going to be more regression.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that the bears as
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit more of an up-and-coming team compared to Detroit, they have a little bit more leeway, a little bit more flexibility to work with.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think this game is more important for the Lions.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's important for both of them really, just given the fact of how week one ended up for both those teams.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'd lean the Lions a little bit just because the bars higher naturally because they've won the division the last two years.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you also add in, and I totally agree if I think it's the lines, you add in the fact that the following week and week three, they go to the Ravens Monday night football, you get games against the Browns who, I don't know what to make of the Browns right now, because the Bengals barely beat them, so take that with the greatest all, but that it's Browns Bengals chiefs bucks, right.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's not an easy slate of games, right now the NFC door, there's a hole is playing some pretty tough ones.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, if you drop the ball here against the bears because they are the favorite, there's a lot coming at them.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, they have bigger aspirations.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now that being said, the Lions could pull an Eagles, right?
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Eagles had a great year.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then they lose two of their coordinators.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are not very good.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, they get new coordinators in Vick Vangio, Kelmore, and there's a full team.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, even if this year,
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: was a down one for them.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the end of the world, but you know, and at the NFL is a fickle mistress, one could say, and as you start to lose every year you lose that, it's and it's just one more missed opportunity and it's hard to get back.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Denk Hill said as much, it's hard to get back to these games.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, next question.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lions got relaxed last week against the Packers.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've been alluding to this, we talked about this.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that who they are in 2025 or is it a week one blip?
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a week one blip.
• 51:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I look at that roster.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's too talented to get, you know, handily controlled in NFC North divisional play, even as strong as that division is.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they'll pick things up.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It might take a little bit of time again with such
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: turn over in the coaching staff, I think naturally that's bound to happen as you bring it in.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's similar playbooks, it's similar philosophies, but it's not exactly the same thing.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that lack of stability is definitely hurt the lines I believe in week one.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think there'll still be a playoff team, my still think there'll be a good team.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they take a step back, but at the same time, I mean, I think that a team that's that talented with, you know, that, with a roster that's been built that effectively.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's going to be them every week.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if it is, then that's great for the bears.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because that, you know, helps the playoff chances and it helps the divisional standing, but at the same time, I think that I can't get my hopes up that high,
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, every week going forward.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you for those of you watched that Packers Lions game, I mean, the Packers came out firing, you know, they scored quickly too.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then, like, look, Dave Montgomery had 25 yards on 11 carriers.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jamir gives had 19 on nine carriers.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as a team, they average 2.1 carriers per game.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm enrossing Brown only have four catches for six targets.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You looked at Sam Laporta.
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He only had six
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: a normal lion, like how the lion's like to operate.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you looked at Jared Gawst at Lion, I mean, 31 for 39 to 25 yards and he's caught it there, you're like, okay, like solid game, he does also happen to only have one touchdown, and he had that interception at the end of the half that stops them from getting at least three points there, potentially touchdown.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if they got three out of that, and they got the ball in the second half, that could have been a very different feeling from a five of that game.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, very, I saw I agree with you.
• 53:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely more of a blip, weird week one, Packers feel themselves with my comparisons on the team that that whole stand against.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who is the most important player for the Lions?
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not names shared golf and for the bearers, not name kill blames.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So for the lines, I think it's tough, but I'm gonna go with Aden Hutchinson for that one, because I think that if you have that quality pass rush, I know the bears, the pass protection was better than I was expecting it to be.
• 54:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It particularly along the perimeter at both tackled spots.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they did a pretty good job with that.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, say a talented Minnesota ed rushing group.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, I do think Hutchinson is better than, you know, either Grenadier Van Ginkle, which, you know, let's say it a lot because both of those are very talented players.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that Hutchinson, if the bear's offense is to get going, I think that key for them is going to be shutting out Hutchinson, making sure that they, you know, if they're, it's not working out one on one.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Darnell writes having some issues
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: designing some opportunities.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe we're going to chip lock him here with Cole Comet or Colston Loveland.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll have these bunch formations and whoever our slot receiver is going to be on this play is going to have a chip lock before he goes out for his route.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that would be huge, so Hutchinson's someone that I'm going to be watching obviously, I think that you know him coming off the injury, he had an incredible year last year before I got hurt and just in general he's a very talented player.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that stopping him would be huge for the bears offense, because
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Caleb, I think that he did pretty well outside of structure, all things considered, but I mean, to that same rate, you want him to be as comfortable as possible, so I'm going to go with Adon Hutchinson as my ex-factor, so it works for the Lions.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And after you get past Adon Hutchinson, and this was a talk all offseason previously to that, it's just not
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: a lot there.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's more of death by a thousand cuts kind of thing.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you have on the opposite side Mark Stavenport who's not bad, but he's not great.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their interior is definitely more of a run stopping interior than his past rush shut interior with DJ Reader.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like Tyler Williams, but...
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, more as a run stop or than a past Russia, Roy Lopez, the same thing he was on that I was hoping the Bears could get maybe cheap on the interior, this past off season he signed with the lines, but just a big body that can eat up space, kind of a thing, not like Andrew Billings necessarily, but you know, same kind of role for the most part.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're talking about if you can negate Ayn, I think you're having a much easier day.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, move it on to our love and hate it, rehabilitate it.
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is something that we match up, specifically dynamic.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love for the bears when we hate and one that if we were coach, we focus on rehabilitating my love.
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: is the bear's offensive scheme.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is an indirect direct one.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, but bear's offensive scheme versus the lines off of the scheme.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you throw Ben Johnson, John Morton, into a ring in a night fight.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take Ben Johnson kind of thing.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's not a lot of data with it being week two so far, but there's nothing to me showing that John Morton is anything more than R.C.
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cola to Ben Johnson's Coke.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and I'm with you there too.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because I, I'll admit I didn't do a ton of research into John Morton, but it's my understanding he was an offensive coordinator previously.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the NFL, if I'm, if I'm getting that right, at some point a long time ago, as I checked out with the jets in 2017.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that was a one-year stand.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, a lock-in change between now and then,
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But going off a week one, I mean, it wasn't necessarily encouraging, you know, coming out of how they performed against Green Bay.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm with you, too.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Ben Johnson, at least from a play calling perspective, from an offensive, you know, scheme perspective.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's an advantage of the bears do have.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mind is very quick, so if you don't mind, I can just jump through my, I've touched down it a little bit.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the barest defensive tackles, versus the lions into your offensive line.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was my bold prediction, you know, Dexter's gonna get two sacks, but even then, I mean, I think William, you get billings in there.
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Chris Williams, I know, was in the rotation as well.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Greatie Jared, if he plays, I think, you know, they're all gonna,
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: get playing time and they all have potential to take advantage of a rather inexperienced group.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the one I'd go with.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a matchup that I think is beneficial for the Bears, but I'm with you for sure, too, that the offense of play calling the Bears have the advantage on that end.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It keep going.
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you hate for the Bears?
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I am a little bit worried about the lion's skill positions against the Bears secondary.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it remains to be seen if my guess right now, as not at all a medical expert, I think Jalen Johnson will play the Kyler Gordon won't, maybe Kyler does play who knows, but even then I think Jalen, he's a very talented cornerback.
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also one who's going to be coming off an injury that sideline them for a long time, maybe there's a little bit of rust there, so then outside of him, it's going to be Tyre
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I have my worries personally about that group as far as, you know, can they shut down on the Ross Sam Brown?
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can they shut down James and Williams, can, you know, I think the safety is going to do decent enough against Sam Laporta and the linebackers, maybe as well.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that, you know, in particular, the receiver position is going to be a little bit difficult.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a matchup that I'm not necessarily a huge fan of for the bears.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, mine's similar.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, mine's actually the lines running back versus the bear's linebackers and whatever you need to have to figure out to do with, you know, I had Nicole potentially if you're having Kyle, do a little bit of that.
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jamir gives out of the back pillars or see if we're scary.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had 10 receptions for 31 yards last game, so they're clearly getting him the ball on the back field.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tra main Edmonds is not known for his ability to
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: cover and lack of instincts.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have Edward to is known more so for that a little better at it but he is coming off the injury.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think Jamir Gives is going to be a problem and they have Montgomery always seems to find another gear when running against the bears.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So whether that and so I think that might be a bit tough this week.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, rehabilitate, I'll just keep going.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the run game.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Connections to Ash Chicago had a 17.6% success rate on running back runs.
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: No other team in week one had was below 22.7%.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, it was horrendous.
• 1:00:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was awful.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Part of that is the younger so it's just not between the tackle runner for whatever reason Ben Johnson as he alluded to said straight up himself forgot my Nungai could act in fact take a hand off like that was put in the rules of football and so you just really couldn't get anything going in that respect and you didn't really see too many
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: outside runs surprisingly enough.
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they were outside one to a little bit more of swift bouncing it.
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you really have to work on that.
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of it was also scheme based I think we look back at the tape.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the runs, oh sorry, the run fits that run just cheese.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the blocks that they were asking some of their linemen to make were tough.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were some reach blocks, there were some pulls that were like I cannot believe you're asking them to block that person.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think a little bit of it has been also
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Frank rag now and some of these other individuals that he had back into Troy that this is the off of the line he has and play a little bit more to their strengths and also hopefully with Rochon back because the right back room is the right back room we could cry about only want to in terms of personnel you got a maximize but you got so hopefully they can work on that.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I like that one a lot too.
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like I said earlier, I really do hope that Rochon's able to play that would be a huge benefit for Chicago's backfield.
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go, I'm going to stay on offense for my like rehabilitate it, but I'm going to go with the passing attack in particular.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that you look at the lines.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, DJ reads a very talented cornerback Terry and Arnold is.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Very talented.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rookie your head some ups and downs and you know he's battling through injury right now.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a potential advantage that you can you know leverage properly.
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: watching over the, you know, the wider seabers, the bears passing attack in week one, I definitely think that they did a solid job of working what they were going against in, you know, the sense that, you know, the Vikings, when they did run zone, the bears, the receiver seemed to have a solid idea of how to work themselves open against it.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But again, for one reason or another, the timing just wasn't there, whether it was chemistry between the QB and the receivers, whether it's footwork from Caleb, there were flashes, but it wasn't nearly as consistent as it needs to be.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's going to be one that I'm looking at.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the lines have a better quarterback room than the Vikings.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely have better secondary when you factor in how good the lines safety is are, but I think the cornerbacks in particular,
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be a little bit tougher, but I still think that they're going to be able to get open.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I still think that, you know, the guys, the bears have can separate against the guys, the lions have, and then, you know, whenever the lions play a little bit more passively, I think the bears receiveers know how to work themselves open.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just a matter of can Caleb hit those throws and can he identify them right on time?
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I expect your fill lines.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mine's established the run.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just said some stats that the lines were pretty terrible at last week for a variety of reasons.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So most of it probably being aligned and play collar, but the Vikings rush for 116 net yards at 25 carries, 4.6 yards per carry, and week one against the bears, 80 one of those are in the second half.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the bare second and third level runfits were horrendous.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were just awful.
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: The linebackers, I mean, I'd soon like for example, was fine, he was admirable, but you're making a tackle, but the tackle is still five yards downfields kind of thing.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The safety's were not feeling well.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Brister was not doing what he normally does in terms of making contacts as close to the line, as he normally does, by or not really known for that.
• 1:04:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, it was a problem.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know another good example of this was that J.J.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: McCarthy touchdown run where Chmain Edmonds I think he moved to square feet, the entire run, it was just awful and J.J.J.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: is a good athlete, he's not that good, that's not so.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if the Lions can do that, they have a good chance in this game, if not great chance.
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I'm with you on that one that's the exact same X factor that I had.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that especially when you go back and watch that, you know, the bear's Vikings game.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: The bears had the lead, but the Viking stayed true to the run game, you know, in the second half.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that you saw Jordan Mason in particular did a solid job of getting past, you know, like getting to that second level.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, the, you know, the bears were getting tackles, but the depth of tackle was a little bit a little bit too deep.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you definitely want to see the linebackers improve in terms of how they creep up near the line of screen image in terms of how they execute on their runfits.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'll cheat a little bit but that's that's the same one that I had as well.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that especially with the lines coming off of the bad game running the ball, that's it's on characteristic of what they've had when
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I keep saying, I think the bears the interior defensive line is better now than green days after, you know, they traded Kenny Clark, but it's just a matter now, if can the line backers hold up well closer to line a screen of jagged, we'll have to wait and see.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what was your ex-factor for the bears?
• 1:06:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this kind of played into my, like the rehabilitated as well, but I think the passing attack, I think is going to be huge for the bears.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of respect for the line safety tandem of Brian Branch and Kirby Joseph.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that even more so than Minnesota, I think Detroit's gonna be capable of taking advantage of inaccurate throws.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And because Minnesota going into that game, the second year he's probably the biggest weakness on the roster, they had a question mark at quarterback.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like JJ McCarthy, but again, it's his first career start, you never really know what you're getting with him yet.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I look at the passing attack, it's okay.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Caleb's accurate, I think they should be fine.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: If he can work on his footwork and get more comfortable going through his drop-axes, especially in those play action calls that haven't go under center.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's something that could
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be huge form, it could be huge for the bear's offense, but at the same time, if he's with some of his throws, like he was against the Vikings, I think the lions are going to be better equipped to potentially pick some of those passes off.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's one thing if you're taking a deep shot and like truly, you know, risking it all so to speak, but it's one thing as it was well if, you know, you're just you're hitting a target on the seam and just outright out, you know, over throwing guys, I think the lions are going to be that's something that something that you can get away with nearly as much against Detroit secondary one because the corners are better, but most importantly because the safeties are going to make you pay for it.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good one.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, mine was a kind of two of them.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one for me is keep
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: head in the count is what I was going to go with.
• 1:08:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you saw that early-ish where you were getting into second and seven, second and six is, which opens that playbook up and it's a little bit easier.
• 1:08:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then when you started to get to, because of some of it was penalties, a lot of those trucking up for now, so you know, you get some, you get a penalty on first, you get some of the yards back when I heard looking at second and 12.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just worse way too often that you didn't have that third and manageable and you're punching or that you've got moved out of fuel goal range as another one.
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was my notice.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, overunders basically this is overunders presented by draft Kings of the North.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we got to throw some stuff at you.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You pick over and under and if you want to give a reason great, if you don't, then we'll move on the next one.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, shit.
• 1:08:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have Chicago Bears non-corder back rushes 20.5.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ha.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
• 1:08:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go under.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go under.
• 1:08:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's close.
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's really on that border line, but I think that, I mean, especially with Rochon, you know, you still don't know if he's going to play or not.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: kale a little bit more on bootlegs or design court.
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not so much design quarterback runs, but bootlegs where they know that he's going to be on the move and has the opportunity to take off if he wants to.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
• 1:09:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to go with lion sacks 2.5.
• 1:09:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ha, OK.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go over, I think it's going to be three, I think, especially when you have a guy like Aiden Hutchinson there, he's so new he's going to disrupt a game.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whether or not he gets a sack, I think he's going to, you know, get a lot of attention and then that could provide opportunities for the lions to, you know, get to the quarterback.
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to be wrong.
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I could definitely see a, you know, a world where I am wrong on that end, especially because I'm
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you were saying earlier, outside of Adon Hutchinson, I don't think the line's past rush is amazing, at least from a person else perspective, but I think that, you know,
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: there's a possibility that you know someone in the on the bear's offensive line slips up you know see it's seen how the bears interior offensive line performed there's a little bit of you know inconsistency there so I'm going to say it's going to be three sacks again would love to be wrong I'd be okay with two sacks I'd be ecstatic if it's one or less kill of Williams completion percentage 65 percent
• 1:10:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go over okay I'm going to go over for this one and I know he was that I think he was right at sixty right at six in the lot in the you know the Vikings game I'm going to go over for Caleb Williams I don't think he's going to hit like 75% of his targets but I do think that
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's another week, it's another, you know, it's more reps working in the system, working, you know, these in these in game situations.
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I think you'll be better.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, that's not to say I think you'll be flawless because I definitely don't, but I'm going to go over with that.
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's, uh, maybe a lot of domestic, but that's, uh, you know, that's what I'm going with.
• 1:11:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, last one is a pick-up, uh, targets.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cole-combat, Cole's in love with.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, okay, this is, hmm.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go commit, I'm going to go commit for targets, I know you didn't ask this part.
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say Colson, Lovelin, for yards, but for targets, I'd say Colcomet.
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to move on to our bare gut check.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is where we're going to use our feelings, revitalize that kombucha, of course, to give our game predictions.
• 1:11:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're also going to check on the giveaway winner for the bare bones hat because that is
• 1:12:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I promise we would do.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Boop, all right.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to make sure this is all kosher and I'm not cheating.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna pick a winner.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pick two winners.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the first winner, you're the one that gets the hat, the second winner of the first winner doesn't claim it, then it's yours.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't count.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Second city grid, I just not get, it does not get to win the hat.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're gonna do that again.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Snoop Vaughn with the sweet poop emoji.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You win the hat.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna save this to the clipboard real quick.
• 1:12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then again, I'm gonna do a second one real fast.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just so just in case Snoop Vaughn doesn't claim this, I'm gonna try to shoot you a DM Snoop.
• 1:12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You will get it.
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the secondary winner will be body.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what that profile picture is body, body boy underscore.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: The hat it is all yours.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I will get that bought and shipped out to you as soon as possible.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everyone that participated We'll do more of these giveaways in the future because it's a pretty dope hat and and I want everyone as many people's possible to have it Jacob, where's where's your post game swag give away?
• 1:13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I've been thinking about that.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't even have a logo for my post game show yet.
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a friend who's into like logo design.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been trying to coordinate something there.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if I can figure that out, then that'd be fantastic.
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also might just do a, like a great t-shirt like this.
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's designed to look like super sweaty and gross.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It just says Jacob and Fonte on the front of it.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that would be pretty good branding, but we'll see.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know there's, you know, obviously second city grid.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we've got some pretty good merch.
• 1:14:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a little biased, but I think that there's some good stuff out there.
• 1:14:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, congratulations to Snoop von Poop.
• 1:14:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Awesome work for you.
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, now we'll let the wrap it up, Merch, hopefully, should be coming in the next, you know, a couple of weeks or months, no pun intended.
• 1:14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Besides the obvious cheating that a assume lesser was doing trying to get a bear bones had having a second city grid arm pop up there somehow.
• 1:14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's something special that Snoop Von Poop put one when you were on the show Jacob.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just kidsman.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm grateful that that's out of all the, out of all the possible shows or possible guests that you know that that guy could have won this, you know, could have won the hat.
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm grateful that I was the one to experience it and I think it's kind of fitting.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I appreciate that.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, last thing here, like I said, Bear Got Check.
• 1:14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are our lines, so with Star of Course with this game, most of these I got yesterday, so if they've changed, I'd never time today, it was a whole thing at work.
• 1:15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, deal with these lines for me yesterday.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one is updated at least from this after early afternoon.
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bear is at lines, so it was five and a half of now the lines are fair by six.
• 1:15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you got Jacob?
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'd take
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I take the bears plus six and a half, I take the line's money line, but I think it's another situation where the bears are talented enough to play Detroit tough.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they played them tough last year too, with, you know, I think a worse roster in a worse coaching staff.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And especially with the lines coming off the down performance, I mean, I think that that's an opportunity where the bears could really keep it close.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like I said, if I were to industry to money line, I'd be betting the lines, but I do think the bears are going to keep it closer than six and a half points.
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't agree more and people forget I mean last year's sucks don't keep me wrong But how many of those games in the NFC North particularly did the bears?
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they won the Packers game late in the year obviously and then they lost multiple games in the NFC North by three points blocked kick like over time all this crazy stuff So you know, it's they play these teams close and you're hoping that at this point Ben Johnson can be an X-Factor Helping kill if you chew over that hurdle
• 1:16:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I feel like I shouldn't know this real quick.
• 1:16:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that, is that going to be in Washington or is that in Green Bay?
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is in Green Bay.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, all right.
• 1:16:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that puts a rinkle into things.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go, I'll go Green Bay minus three and a half.
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, like, here's the thing, I think that Washington might end up with a better record when it's all said and done this year, but I think the packers are riding high right now.
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a ton of momentum behind that team, the fact that it's at Lambo, I mean, those guys are, you know, that environment's no joke.
• 1:16:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, I hate to say it, but when I had the chance to attend the Bears Packers game last year at Lambo, I had, I got a lot.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got a lot more respect for like the Green Bay community for how they rally around their team.
• 1:17:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I say a lot more of respect because I didn't really have any to begin with, but you know that that's often me up a little bit seeing them all, you know, like the whole town rally together around them, like they take it seriously.
• 1:17:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So
• 1:17:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That aspect, and then with how well Green Bay played against Detroit, I think was more impressive than how Washington played against the giants.
• 1:17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see, maybe that's a week one over reaction on my part, but I'm taking Green Bay here.
• 1:17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm thinking with my pre-seasoned fields, where I think the commanders are due for a bit of a regression, just to, I mean, some of their stuff is crazy.
• 1:17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fourth, fourth bound conversion percentage, their deepball percentage, some of these things that have really,
• 1:17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: low repeatability rates, you know, was really high in reasons they won games, they won a bunch of one score games last year.
• 1:18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have the oldest roster in the league, they have the oldest starting lineup in the league.
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: They had, you know, all of those things.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not as a commander's hater or anything like that.
• 1:18:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just, it's just hard.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just really hard.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you still don't have to have a clarinet, like 100% he's still getting into game shape.
• 1:18:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we saw that in that, giving us the giants he wasn't.
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Terry of last year so I think it's gonna take a couple weeks for him to get there and the packers are just riding high right now a lot of momentum the floor is a boss Jordan love is playing well Even though PFF didn't like him that much apparently and the energy from Micah Parsons is real right now I mean, it's the coil Mac thing.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean how great even though the bears lost that first game But I mean I think every bear is fan
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: who saw that game remembers how they fell to him.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had, you know, ran the ball almost all the way back back to that touchdown, and the juicy gave him.
• 1:18:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And really, what he gave the season.
• 1:18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I expect the packers to have a unfortunately, a problem.
• 1:18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: A season like what the bear has had in 2018, if not, probably with a better ending than a cake eye of shell now talk about.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got giant sack cowboys.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I picked a pick this one because the bear's we cleaned cowboys next.
• 1:19:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cowboys are favored by five and a half.
• 1:19:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I see that's tough because I think the Cowboys like they perform pretty well all things considered against the Eagles I mean they really have one that game.
• 1:19:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: They really could have I'll go with the Cowboys on that end You said minus five and a half.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go with that
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I think the giants are, they're cheap.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Russell Wilson is, Russ is cooked.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, it's, I don't know.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:19:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, maybe the giants bounce back in some capacity.
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still not 100% sold.
• 1:19:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: The cowboys are going to be great.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But,
• 1:19:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think that they showed enough against the eagles towards like, alright, I feel confident that they can, you know, they can handle the giant.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if they perform that competitively against the defending Super Bowl champions, and I think that I think they'll be in good shape.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, last two here, this one I picked because of the line was funny when I saw Patriots at Dolphins.
• 1:20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Dolphins are favored by half a point.
• 1:20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, like I didn't even think you could do that.
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just I thought you just make a push at that point, but okay.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the, I can't think of the last time that I've seen that.
• 1:20:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Give me the Patriots, give me the Patriots.
• 1:20:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the dolphins are in a state of chaos right now.
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not everything was perfect for the Patriots in week one, but I'm a Drake-made believer, whether it happens this year or sometime down the line, I think that it's a much more talented roster and it's a better coaching staff.
• 1:20:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: then, you know, with the Patriots have them what they had last year.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to say the Patriots take advantage of a Dolphins team in turmoil and, you know, they pick up that one.
• 1:21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Turmo is a perfect way to put it, I mean, that secondary might be the worst secondary in the entire NFL for the dolphins, I mean, the Packers corners are not that far behind, that's a whole the conversation, but like between the issues with to a tiring kills got his thing going on now, it's been an investigation going.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just bad vibes in that building and sometimes it's what it boils down to and you talked about I mean Drake May is a baller I mean I had him as my quarterback one of the draft class for pretty like 75% of last year until I flipped near the end to Caleb
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they have good players on this team, like you talked about.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, you're starting rookies at left tackle left guard, but, you know, you do have Stefan Diggs who still can play.
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like how Williams is a rookie, uh, hunter-hendry is a very usable, tight-ends, trivet-henderson is electric.
• 1:21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: On the defensive side, I mean, Milton Williams was a problem last week.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hailed Landry actually looks surprisingly good last week.
• 1:21:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Spalane is a tackling machine.
• 1:22:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I mean, not to like, make more of this page a drawster than it is, but it's better than whatever the dolphins are rolling out over there.
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, no I'm with you a hundred percent.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be curious to see other us the year plays out for Miami because I mean like you said that secondary is a mess Bad vibes.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's I think you summed it up well.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just bad vibes over there Last one chargers at Raiders bearers have Raiders on the schedule down the road a bit here Chargers are favored by three and a half in a Monday night double header That one's interesting to me
• 1:22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's at Raiders.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say the Raiders find a way to get under, I'll go Raiders plus three and a half.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the Chargers just barely scratch away with the window.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like a one or two point sort of deal where they hit like a last minute field goal, Cameron Dicker.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a lot of fantasy stock in him this year, so maybe a little bias, but I think that
• 1:23:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a competitive Raiders team this year.
• 1:23:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's going to be a great team, but I think they're going to play a lot of teams tough.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Gino Smith was, I mean, they air the ball out in week one and, you know, they picked up the win in that regard.
• 1:23:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 1:23:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: With it being in Vegas, I think that, you know, they're gonna give the chargers a run for their money.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the end, I think the chargers are the more talented roster and obviously Jim Harbaugh's a great coach.
• 1:23:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jesse Mentors are really good defensive coordinator.
• 1:23:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they'll be in good shape, but I wouldn't sleep on Vegas though.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that they're gonna play a lot of teams tough this year.
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just have a feeling, I mean, so it brought powers didn't practice today, but I think he's in a play, so I don't know if that's really matters.
• 1:23:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is probably a silly reason to make this decision, but I just can't believe in Quentin Johnson after everything you're seeing within the fact that he had five catches in two touchdowns in that chiefs game.
• 1:24:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't get behind that in terms of, you know, I guess they have a good team.
• 1:24:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Lada Kauki is fantastic.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He and Allen had seven catches in that game, a morning Hampton had a,
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: headache of an issue running out of bounds at one point, but overall still, I mean, one of the few young work courses I think in this league, all that being said, I mean, you have a work course on the other side.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: national jetty the offensive line for the Raiders is a big question mark, but yeah, I mean, Gino Smith was born in the darkness of terrible offensive line play, so if someone can do what he can, and I don't know, there's just something about this, the Pete Carroll versus Harba of this all, and I just feel like Pete's going to walk away doing that Pete Carroll little forward bed trot fist pump in the air.
• 1:24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I got weird feeling about it.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's all I got.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all we got.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Jacob for filling in for Danny.
• 1:24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know he had some some families up here to take care of he will be back next week But it's a pleasure having you on you bring always a great perspective to the show So I love what you do when it comes to the draft stuff and obviously what you're doing during the year so really appreciate it
• 1:25:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I mean, it's always a pleasure to be on the show, so I appreciate you having me grateful that I was able to, you know, step in here last minute, you know, fill in.
• 1:25:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, hopefully at some point down the line, whether it's, you know, later in the regular season or, you know, when draft stuff picks up, definitely will run it back for sure.
• 1:25:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And where can people find all your stuff?
• 1:25:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously you're part of the, you know, the whole windy city, second city, but like where can people find all the awesome work you're doing?
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so my written work is that when you city gridiron for, you know, the Chicago Bears, I know, helps the, you know, the post game pod over at second city gridiron on their YouTube channel, you can, you know, find them on YouTube Facebook as well.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I go live on Twitter and access well through that.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also do NFL work over at Pro Football and Sports Network, so that's mostly like league wide stuff and then, you know, that's more NFL draft work as well, but yeah, and then the last one is my Patreon's Patreon.com slash shake have been fauntay, I just dropped my, like my scouting reports to the five players that I broke down from a tape perspective that pros and their cons for how they performed in week one.
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's Caleb Williams, bear with me while I try to think about it's Caleb Williams, Darnell Wright, Montes, Wet, Trevon, Dexter, and Roman Dunesay.
• 1:26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope you great out Montes and that game is speaking of.
• 1:26:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, not particularly high, and yeah, I think when I watch that, you know, when I watch the film back, I mean, obviously the physical tools really showed up, but I think there are some instances where
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was expecting a little bit more of a past rushing plan for a guy who's been in the league for that long and who's that big and fast and strong.
• 1:26:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think, you know, some of the consistency wasn't there.
• 1:26:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was an effort thing.
• 1:26:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was a process thing or what exactly was Sloan.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm down a little bit, but I think that there's definitely, I don't think he was playing at full speed.
• 1:27:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: which is a shame because I mean like he was talked about so willingly and he that was paraded across I know the thought of football show talked about that and there's a bunch of different places people coaches that talked highly about what this offseason was for Montez and I mean
• 1:27:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's shame that we didn't see that in week one.
• 1:27:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he wasn't 100% what's going on there.
• 1:27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the show we got.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know I personally had the bear going one in one the first two weeks.
• 1:27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hit flipped right by you know biking.
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was it would be a win lines a loss.
• 1:27:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you leave we too with the win, which is entirely possible considering what we saw the lions this last week.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as Jake and I talked about for the last hour and 27 minutes that
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were some problems, but there were some good things in week one too, the Caleb play was not as bad as people are making it out to be off the line did well, just you tweak a thing here, tweak a thing there and you can lead four fields with the win.
• 1:27:56
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• 1:28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 1:28:01
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• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, hopefully everyone has a happy weekend and keep the chin up as we go to calm down.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything, everything, everything will be fine.
• 1:28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.