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UK Column News — 23rd October 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the 23rd of October, 2026, just after one o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to UK Column News. I'm your host, Mike Robinson.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in the studio today, Patrick Henningsen. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the program, Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Great to be with you, Mike.
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Speaker 2: And by video link, Basil Valentine. We'll also have a
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Speaker 2: couple of special guests today. David Miller and Pele Naroth-Taylor
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Speaker 2: will be joining us later in the program. And later
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Speaker 2: in the program, we'll be covering the cyber attack that wasn't,
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Speaker 2: that brought down half the internet, apparently. The continuing beating
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Speaker 2: of the war drums by the corporate media. And we'll
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Speaker 2: be asking, what was the UK's involvement in the kidnapping
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Speaker 2: of Venezuela's President Maduro? But we're going to begin today
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Speaker 2: with Sir David Bell's independent review of anti-Semitism in England's
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Speaker 2: schools and colleges. This was published on Wednesday. Alongside the
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Speaker 2: government's response, the Education Secretary Lucy Powell said the government
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Speaker 2: accepted all 27 recommendations, and she's asked Sir David to
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Speaker 2: carry out a review of progress after one year. We're
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Speaker 2: going to go through the recommendations in a second, but
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Speaker 2: one recommendation on using Home Office security funding to help
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Speaker 2: Jewish schools make educational visits safely was agreed only in principle. Now,
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Speaker 2: the report says that one in five students had witnessed anti-Semitism.
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Speaker 2: It said that three in five students had experienced it.
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Speaker 2: It said that fewer than half believed that it would
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Speaker 2: be addressed if it was reported. And it makes some recommendations,
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Speaker 2: including that anti-Semitism should be treated as a distinct category
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Speaker 2: of harm within safeguarding policies. that guidance should be strengthened
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Speaker 2: on teachers' political impartiality, because teachers aren't allowed to have
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Speaker 2: opinions in the classroom, and schools should be encouraged to
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Speaker 2: adopt the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, which isn't going
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Speaker 2: to be made compulsory. There should be antisemitism awareness training
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Speaker 2: for teachers and the creation of national advice line for
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Speaker 2: school leaders. So those are the key points from the report,
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Speaker 2: but Basil, is there some questions over the mathematics and
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Speaker 2: the methodology?
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Speaker 3: Questions, Mike, over the mathematics, the methodology and indeed the
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Speaker 3: personnel behind the report. Our esteemed education secretary, as you said,
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Speaker 3: would like every school in England to adopt the IHRA
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Speaker 3: definition of anti-Semitism, even though some seven of its 11
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Speaker 3: examples are about Israel. What the review shows is in
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Speaker 3: its longest section of over a thousand words, which is
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Speaker 3: about pupils and teachers. It refers to showing support for
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Speaker 3: Palestine with badges and flags and mentions anti-Semitism only twice.
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Speaker 3: There are nearly 2,500 words on political impartiality and only
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Speaker 3: 267 on supporting the victims of anti-Semitism. 23% of the
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Speaker 3: review is about Israel, Palestine or political expression policy. and
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Speaker 3: in the staff conduct chapter, 60% of the content of
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Speaker 3: that chapter is devoted to geopolitical issues, which is in itself, ironically, anti-Semitic, because,
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Speaker 3: of course, it is conflating Israel with all Jewish people. Now,
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Speaker 3: who's behind it? Well, it was commissioned by Bridget Philipson,
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Speaker 3: Education Secretary under Keir Starmer, and she was the recipient
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Speaker 3: of £ 181, 000 in funding via Labour Together from various Zionist
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Speaker 3: and Israel-linked groups. So hardly surprising, perhaps, that it's come
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Speaker 3: up with the findings that it has. In terms of
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Speaker 3: the methodology, here we go. Only 5,000 kids were surveyed,
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Speaker 3: of whom only 92 were Jewish. 70 of those 92 responded,
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Speaker 3: and 29 said they had faced anti-Semitism at school. Only
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Speaker 3: 2% said anti-Semitism was a big problem at their school,
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Speaker 3: and yet we're going to reclassify it as a more
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Speaker 3: serious form of racism. Based on that, it seems a
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Speaker 3: bit of a joke. 158 out of 587 responses criticized
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Speaker 3: the review, including the use of the IHRA, and three
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Speaker 3: in five Jewish pupils rests on just 70 students. Now,
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Speaker 3: also crucially, a charity named the Academic Study Group whose
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Speaker 3: only firm policy is opposing boycotts of Israel, lists Sir
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Speaker 3: David Bell, the author of the report, on its counsel,
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Speaker 3: and the terms of reference say that there is no
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Speaker 3: conflict of interest extraordinarily. Here he is, Sir David Bell,
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Speaker 3: is listed on the National Study Group, an educational charity
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Speaker 3: that says in its mission statement its goal is to
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Speaker 3: initiate or expand active links and research collaboration between academic
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Speaker 3: specialists and centres of excellence in the UK and and
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Speaker 3: their counterparts in Israel. Nowhere else, just in Israel, the ASG,
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Speaker 3: it says, is primarily a UK-Israel operation. As it seems,
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Speaker 3: is this report itself. Ragged Trouser Philandua on X points out,
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Speaker 3: so the Labour cabinet, corrupted by Israeli cash, recommends brainwashing
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Speaker 3: UK kids based on a report by Israeli collaborating academic
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Speaker 3: using dodgy data from a Jewish vigilante group. He's referring
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Speaker 3: to the Community Securities Trust, and commissioned by SAC Education
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Speaker 3: Secretary Bridget Philipson, who received £ 180, 000 in Israel lobby money. Now, crucially,
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Speaker 3: it's been dug out just over the last 24 hours
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Speaker 3: that buried on page 30 of this report is the
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Speaker 3: really key couple of sentences. British attitudes, says Sir David Bell,
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Speaker 3: relating to Jewish people in Israel showed two broad trends.
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Speaker 3: Anti-Jewish attitudes are typically less prevalent and have remained more stable,
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Speaker 3: whereas anti-Israel sentiments are more prevalent and have been increasing.
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Speaker 3: David Bell here is conflating the two and obviously basing
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Speaker 3: the findings and recommendations of his report on increasing anti-Israel statements,
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Speaker 3: which is hardly surprising given that Israel is in the
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Speaker 3: midst of committing a genocide. But what that's got to
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Speaker 3: do with ordinary Jewish students, you know, he's being anti-Semitic
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Speaker 3: by mixing the two up. And in terms of some
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Speaker 3: of these examples of anti-Semitism, well, Hilary Freeman, hysterically on X,
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Speaker 3: claimed that she had to move away and take her
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Speaker 3: child to a Jewish-only school. And it turns out that
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Speaker 3: the cause for that was a bake sale to raise
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Speaker 3: money for starving Palestinians. That's apparently a demonstration of anti-Semitism.
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Speaker 3: The government have turned off comments for the report because
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Speaker 3: it's been debunked the proposals are unworkable but as red
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Speaker 3: hector says what is highly likely is that certain community
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Speaker 3: groups will be given much more taxpayers money uh by
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Speaker 3: our government and of course this banning proposed banning of
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Speaker 3: palestinian badges and things like that would set a racist
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Speaker 3: anti-palestinian precedent uh you'd still be allowed to wear the
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Speaker 3: flag pin of any other country on earth, Turkish, Israeli,
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Speaker 3: of course, even while they committed genocide, but not Palestinian.
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Speaker 3: So hence the question, are they going to ban Ukraine
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Speaker 3: badges too, or LGBTQ lanyards? The selective approach here would
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Speaker 3: indeed be specifically racist against Palestinians, linking support for Palestinians
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Speaker 3: to the issue of antisemitism, which is incredibly damaging for everyone.
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Speaker 1: And indeed it is.
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Speaker 3: To give it some context, this report, another report by
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Speaker 3: the YMCA in October 2020 found that 95% of black
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Speaker 3: British pupils had experienced racism at school at some point,
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Speaker 3: and no action has ever been taken. Quite extraordinary stuff.
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Speaker 3: And finally, Tom Hatfield here making the key point. You
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Speaker 3: never see anyone banning pro-Israel symbols because they might make
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Speaker 3: Palestinians feel unsafe, do you? So joining me now to
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Speaker 3: unpack some of this, nobody knows more about fake accusations
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Speaker 3: of anti-Semitism and conflating Palestinian solidarity with anti-Semitism than Professor
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Speaker 3: David Miller. Welcome to the program, David.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me again.
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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure.
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Speaker 3: So relatively easy, it appears, to drive a coach and
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Speaker 3: horses through this report. Apart from anything else, the sample
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Speaker 3: that they used is absolutely tidy. And I believe that
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Speaker 3: it was also based on anonymous online submissions, which means
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Speaker 3: anybody could have made up anything. Plus, of course, any
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Speaker 3: demonstration of solidarity with Palestine is apparently anti-Semitic. The whole
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Speaker 3: thing's a nonsense, but As people have pointed out, it
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Speaker 3: seems this Zionist-dominated cabinet is determined to push it through.
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Speaker 4: Well, yes, I mean, if you look at the figures,
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's 70%, 68% of Jewish kids go to
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Speaker 4: Jewish-only schools. So the people who have been experiencing this
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Speaker 4: isolationism at school are the other 30%, 32% who go
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Speaker 4: to mainstream schools, some of which, of course, have got
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Speaker 4: large Jewish populations and also have things like Jewish societies
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Speaker 4: organized by the Zionist movement itself. But nevertheless... These are
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Speaker 4: the ones who have experienced the antisemitism. The figures simply
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Speaker 4: don't add up. If you've got 30% of the students
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Speaker 4: and it's 60% who are experiencing antisemitism, well, each one
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Speaker 4: of those 30 students must have had 1.8 experiences of antisemitism,
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Speaker 4: which of course is a statistical nonsense. So the whole
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Speaker 4: report is statistically nonsense. The thing you've quoted from page
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Speaker 4: 30 saying that there isn't really any anti-semitism it's not
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Speaker 4: expressed in quite as thorough going away as i would
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Speaker 4: express it i don't believe there is any such thing
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Speaker 4: as anti-semitism anymore it just isn't a form of racism
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Speaker 4: there are forms of racism in the society against black
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Speaker 4: people and especially against muslims but we don't do anything
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Speaker 4: about that we have this fake notion of racism against
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Speaker 4: the jews which we spend all our money and attention
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Speaker 4: on in order that the jews can be insulated entirely
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Speaker 4: from any criticism of the genocide, which has not anything
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Speaker 4: to do with being racist or even prejudiced against Jews
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Speaker 4: as Jews. It's about describing Zionism as a form of
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Speaker 4: racism and genocide as what it is, genocide. So that's
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Speaker 4: the issue. I think the other thing to think of,
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Speaker 4: which you've touched on, is this academic study group which
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Speaker 4: David Bell is involved in what used to be called
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Speaker 4: the Academic Study Group on Israel and the Middle East. Now,
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Speaker 4: it's not just that it's a study group which is
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Speaker 4: anti-BDS and which is populated by a large number of Zionists,
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Speaker 4: including some very senior academics, like, for example, the vice-chancellor
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Speaker 4: of Glasgow University, Sir Anton Moscatelli, which kind of explains
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Speaker 4: some of the terrible things that have been happening at
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Speaker 4: Glasgow University in relation to such matters, even though the
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Speaker 4: rector there is, of course, Yasin Abu Sita, the famous
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Speaker 4: Palestinian doctor. So this organization, which Bell has been involved in,
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Speaker 4: not only does it oppose BDS, but it's actually given
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Speaker 4: money to a magazine called Fathom, which is, of course,
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Speaker 4: as you'll know, published by BICOM, the main pro-Israel public
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Speaker 4: relations and propaganda organization in the UK. So it's effectively
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Speaker 4: and clearly part of the Israel lobby itself. And the
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Speaker 4: idea of that there is no conflict of interest for
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Speaker 4: someone to write a report like this when they're actually
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Speaker 4: signed up to a Zionist and pro-Israel organization. It empties
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Speaker 4: the concept of conflict of interest of all possible meaning.
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Speaker 4: And it doesn't have that meaning in the actual academic
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Speaker 4: definitions of what conflict of interest is. Conflict of interest
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Speaker 4: is a reasonable person definition. Would you be swayed in
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Speaker 4: your views or the way in which you write something
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Speaker 4: by having a prior commitment? And in this case, this
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Speaker 4: guy has a, an open and public prior commitment, which
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Speaker 4: should have disqualified him from doing the report, never mind
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Speaker 4: simply be announced as a conflict of interest.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it seems the Israel exception applies once again in
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Speaker 3: this case. Now, the Community Securities Trust have played a
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Speaker 3: part in authoring this report, in providing information for it,
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Speaker 3: and they are inextricably linked, not just to the Zionist lobby,
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Speaker 3: but to the state of Israel itself, aren't they, David?
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Speaker 4: Yes, well, the CST, of course, comes out of a
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Speaker 4: tendency on the left to produce anti-racist groups which are anti-racist,
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Speaker 4: except for the question of Zionism. The CST is a
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Speaker 4: Zionist organization. It's the person who set it up. Gerald
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Speaker 4: Ronson is a convicted felon who was put in prison
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Speaker 4: for fraud as part of the Guinness fraud some years ago.
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Speaker 4: And he, of course, is a big supporter of Netanyahu.
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Speaker 4: And the CST itself is been trained by and regularly
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Speaker 4: conferred with the Mossad, which is a matter of public record.
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Speaker 4: So this is an arm, essentially, of the Zionist regime
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Speaker 4: in the UK. And yet it's allowed not only to
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Speaker 4: advise on something like this, but it's also given tens
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Speaker 4: of millions of pounds every year by the Home Office, including,
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Speaker 4: of course, tens of millions of pounds for a certain
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Speaker 4: period several years ago from British intelligence, from the the
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Speaker 4: Homeland Security Group of the Home Office, which is a
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Speaker 4: British intelligence agency. So this is an organisation which is
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Speaker 4: heavily involved with intelligence and which presents itself as being
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Speaker 4: just there to target anti-Semitism and to keep Jews safe.
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Speaker 4: On the contrary, it's there to make sure that there
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Speaker 4: can be no criticism of Israel and that the criticism
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Speaker 4: that exists will be criminalised, marginalised and forced out of
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Speaker 4: schools and indeed all public life.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, it seems as if, in a way,
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Speaker 3: if this report is implemented, it's a sort of soft
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Speaker 3: power extension of the genocide itself because it aims at
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian erasure in all its forms. Although Palestine is
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Speaker 3: now recognised as a state by the UK government, wearing
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian flag pin would be the only national flag
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Speaker 3: pin that you are banned from wearing In a school,
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Speaker 3: you could go to school with a Turkish pin or
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Speaker 3: an Israeli pin, of course. So it's a uniquely sort of,
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Speaker 3: as I say, soft-powered genocidal overreach, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's about allowing Zionist sensibilities to govern the whole
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Speaker 4: of public life in a way which is unimaginable for
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Speaker 4: any other political ideology or even... any religion or an
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Speaker 4: ethnic group, which, of course, the Jews are not. The
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Speaker 4: Jews are a religion. But you wouldn't imagine, it's impossible
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Speaker 4: to imagine, that Hindus or Muslims or even Christians could
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Speaker 4: have that kind of veto. I mean, this is supposed
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Speaker 4: to be, historically, it's been a Christian country. But Christians
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Speaker 4: don't have those kinds of rights. The massive panic about
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Speaker 4: anti-Semitism is giving to Zionist Jews who believe in genocide,
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Speaker 4: who want to defend genocide, and who get upset if
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Speaker 4: you criticize genocide. So this is what's happening. And it
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Speaker 4: makes a mockery of the idea that the Israel lobby,
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Speaker 4: the Zionist movement, doesn't have any influence or control over
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Speaker 4: British politics.
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Speaker 3: And of course, the House of Commons is stuffed full
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Speaker 3: of Gentiles who seem to get very upset when you
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Speaker 3: criticise genocide as well. Professor David Miller, thank you so
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Speaker 3: much for joining us today on UK Column News.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, David.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Basil.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on then to the cyber attack that wasn't yesterday.
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Speaker 2: or over the last couple of days, because 32 UK
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Speaker 2: government services were taken offline and four more partially disrupted
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Speaker 2: over the last couple of days. Departments, councils, government departments,
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Speaker 2: councils and police forces, along with quite a lot of
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Speaker 2: the rest of the world, apparently rushed in panic to
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Speaker 2: patch two critical flaws in PHP, the programming language between, well,
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Speaker 2: the often cited figure is 70% of websites that are
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Speaker 2: built on the likes of WordPress and Drupal. Now the
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Speaker 2: vulnerabilities were nicknamed PHP to shell. Both were rated as 9.2
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Speaker 2: out of 10 on the relevant scale and could in
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Speaker 2: principle let an attacker run code on a web server
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Speaker 2: without logging in. The story began in mid-August. A security
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Speaker 2: company called Caliph reported the first bug to the PHP
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Speaker 2: project and that they shared a proof of concept and
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Speaker 2: PHP then confirmed the bug. They reported a second bug
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Speaker 2: on the 21st of August, and the hosting company Wiz
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Speaker 2: said that it confirmed remote code execution against Drupal on
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Speaker 2: the 20th of August. And then on the 17th of October,
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Speaker 2: Amazon's Honeypots, now Honeypots are servers on the internet designed
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Speaker 2: to attract hacking activity so that hacking activity can be monitored.
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Speaker 2: Those Honeypots recorded an exploitation attempt, and this was four
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Speaker 2: days before general public disclosure. And then on the 20th
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Speaker 2: of October, details of the vulnerabilities leaked in an anonymous
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Speaker 2: post on the Hacker News website. An advisory was published
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Speaker 2: and Watchtower confirmed flaws were real. And then on Wednesday
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Speaker 2: this week, PHP released fixes. People had been wound up
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Speaker 2: so much already by the likes of the National Cyber
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Speaker 2: Security Center. that there was mass panic as a result
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Speaker 2: of this. Websites went dark across the UK and Europe.
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Speaker 2: And so many people were trying to run updates all
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Speaker 2: at the same time that the service providing those updates
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Speaker 2: couldn't cope. And then yesterday, Technology Minister Baroness Lloyd of
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Speaker 2: EFRA told the House of Lords that, as I said,
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Speaker 2: 32 government services were unavailable and four partly so. So
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Speaker 2: the government has not published a full list of the
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Speaker 2: affected services. The Office for Budget Responsibility took its websites
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Speaker 2: offline days before the budget and peers raised disruption at
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Speaker 2: the DVLA and police services as well. Council sites in Edinburgh, Oxford, Bristol,
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Speaker 2: Lambeth and Barnet were reported down as, as you say,
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Speaker 2: it was the Metropolitan Police. Baroness Lloyd said OpenAI had
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Speaker 2: briefed the National Cybersecurity Centre the previous week that a
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Speaker 2: cross-departmental response was set up for disclosure. and the NCSC
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Speaker 2: sent 50,000 warnings to organizations. So that was where the
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Speaker 2: panic arose from. But here's the thing, despite the headlines
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Speaker 2: about the attacks, there's been no proven exploit seen on
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Speaker 2: the internet. Baroness Lloyd said, we're not currently aware of
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Speaker 2: any confirmed compromise of central government systems. Well, there's been
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Speaker 2: no compromise of any systems anywhere, despite millions of attempts
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Speaker 2: and script kiddies everywhere deploying AI to try to make
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Speaker 2: it happen. Baroness Lloyd later extended her assessment to the
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Speaker 2: wider public sector. And in the United States, the cybersecurity
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Speaker 2: and infrastructure security agency have not added either flaw to
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Speaker 2: its known exploited vulnerabilities catalog. So Cloudflare, of course, a
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Speaker 2: big player on the internet, reported millions of attempts to
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Speaker 2: cause trouble and several security firms describing the bugs as
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Speaker 2: exploited in the wild. But these types of comments are
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Speaker 2: not accurate because they're based on honeypot traffic. and they
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Speaker 2: show attempts rather than successful attacks. So this was no Stuxnet.
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Speaker 2: And of course, it comes really, perhaps unsurprisingly, but coincidentally
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Speaker 2: with the government announcing its emergency website, Are You Emergency Ready?
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Speaker 2: From severe weather to cyber attacks, emergencies can disrupt the
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Speaker 2: services you rely on. And the question I was asking was,
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Speaker 2: was this website using PHP? Well, in fact, it is.
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Speaker 2: because that's built on WordPress, but it didn't seem to
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Speaker 2: go down. So maybe some government agencies were able to
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Speaker 2: keep their websites up, but nonetheless, this was a complete
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Speaker 2: overreaction by most people as a result of this massive
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Speaker 2: psychological attack that's on our minds at the moment with
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Speaker 2: everything being ramped up in terms of level of fear.
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Speaker 2: And keeping that in mind, because we'll be talking about
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Speaker 2: this a lot more later on, just to let everybody hear,
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Speaker 2: if you haven't heard yet, Wes Streeting's comments on why
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Speaker 2: we all need to be prepared and why the UK
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Speaker 2: government has launched this new campaign website.
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Speaker 6: It's about saying to households across the country to be
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Speaker 6: ready by just having some everyday essentials indoors. So should
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Speaker 6: there be disruption from those sorts of events, you're ready.
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Speaker 6: Now that's things like two litres of water per person,
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Speaker 6: three litres of water per person per day, tinned goods
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Speaker 6: in the cupboard to last you a few days, things
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Speaker 6: that don't necessarily need heating up in the stove or
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Speaker 6: the microwave, tinned goods. If you've got babies, things like
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Speaker 6: your baby food and nappy supplies, pets, pet food, water.
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Speaker 6: And then things like torches that are battery powered, mobile
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Speaker 6: phone charging packs. Do you have enough cash indoors if
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Speaker 6: the local payment systems were down? Those sorts of things.
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Speaker 2: So we get the point there. It's quite incredible that
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Speaker 2: they're trying to push this fear narrative. And now we've
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Speaker 2: all got to be preppers, Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Well, it depends what he's warning about. Could be something else.
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Speaker 1: I will also add that experts are now predicting the
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Speaker 1: inevitability of the US-Israeli strike on Iran as early as tonight.
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of talk about the use of
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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons at some point in that exchange. And I
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Speaker 1: also talked about this at my talk at the UK
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Speaker 1: Columns Conference, is that COVID was a dry run. Imagine
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Speaker 1: what would happen if there was a thermonuclear emergency, global emergency.
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Speaker 1: What would we see in terms of airspace being shut down,
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Speaker 1: ports of entry being closed, borders being shut, supply chains
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Speaker 1: being absolutely frozen and broken, power rationing, all the rest
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Speaker 1: of it. So is that what West Street is planning for?
23:35
Speaker 1: Or he's not telling us? one has to ask the question.
23:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
23:39
Speaker 2: We're definitely being primed for something.
23:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
23:43
Speaker 2: Well, look, uh, let's move on then to France and, uh, well,
23:47
Speaker 2: obviously been a lot of coverage over the last few
23:50
Speaker 2: news programs and, and, uh, generally about the riots in
23:54
Speaker 2: France and the protests in France. Uh, What's the latest?
23:57
Speaker 1: Well, this is the biggest story in Europe, if not
24:00
Speaker 1: in the Western world. And France being the main flashpoint,
24:05
Speaker 1: this is where things have kicked off there. But it's
24:08
Speaker 1: spread to Italy. The protests have spread all around Europe.
24:11
Speaker 1: In total, something like 34 countries and 120 different protests.
24:16
Speaker 1: So pretty significant. Now, in France... The crackdown now has begun.
24:21
Speaker 1: Police seem to and the judiciary seems to have tackled
24:25
Speaker 1: the issue for now. It seems to have burned itself out.
24:29
Speaker 1: Here is what Emmanuel Macron is saying here. We'll bring
24:33
Speaker 1: this up. This is the French president, and he is
24:37
Speaker 1: basically banning, quote, illegitimate protests from here on out in France.
24:43
Speaker 1: And this is what they are issuing now as new
24:46
Speaker 1: decrees issued. Here, demonstrations not organized by labor unions will
24:51
Speaker 1: be banned for the foreseeable future. A protest ban covers Paris, Lyon, Lille,
24:58
Speaker 1: and many other towns and cities. and also Marseille, ban
25:02
Speaker 1: on all Saturdays. So no demonstrations, no protests on Saturdays
25:07
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Of course, these could all be
25:10
Speaker 1: adapted or somehow reversed in the future. But for now,
25:16
Speaker 1: this is the law of the land. And Macron's blaming
25:18
Speaker 1: this on seditious ultra-left groups behind the riots. They want
25:22
Speaker 1: to bring down the republic, says Emmanuel Macron. And he's
25:27
Speaker 1: not done there. Let's take a look at this. New
25:30
Speaker 1: fast-track courts, procedures. This should sound familiar to people in
25:35
Speaker 1: the UK. Already 2,700 people taken into custody. And in addition,
25:40
Speaker 1: 217 convicted and jailed so far as of yesterday. These
25:44
Speaker 1: might be old numbers here. Over 1,000 still to be prosecuted.
25:48
Speaker 1: So far, 900 fast-tracked through the courts using a new
25:52
Speaker 1: procedure called the comparution procedure. immediate and immediate appearance straight
26:00
Speaker 1: to trial after being taken into custody or within three
26:03
Speaker 1: days if held in pretrial detention. Pretty extreme. The lawyers
26:07
Speaker 1: are complaining they do not have time to either meet
26:10
Speaker 1: their clients or prepare for a defense. So is this
26:14
Speaker 1: going to be the status quo going forward, certainly in
26:17
Speaker 1: a state of emergency or when you have an uprising
26:20
Speaker 1: within any country or community? this is going to be
26:24
Speaker 1: the state reaction, certainly. Now, just imagine here, here's a
26:28
Speaker 1: good question, and from somebody who should know, who's been
26:31
Speaker 1: on the ground covering these for decades, Angelo Giuliani says,
26:35
Speaker 1: and how did it all start? High school in Cretiel
26:40
Speaker 1: with not enough staff, now swap the names. A president
26:45
Speaker 1: in Beijing or Tehran says only approved organizations are may
26:49
Speaker 1: march in blames, quote, sedition. Every Western newsroom would run
26:55
Speaker 1: the word dictatorship by the evening. So these things we
27:00
Speaker 1: decry in other countries, but if it happens in the EU,
27:03
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Now, one of the big, there
27:06
Speaker 1: was a viral video about French police, and we'll bring
27:09
Speaker 1: this up, excellent report here from a French journalist, Freddie
27:12
Speaker 1: Ponton in France and Black Block. Accusations are, well, there
27:17
Speaker 1: were mass protesters with police who were dropping flashbang grenades.
27:21
Speaker 1: And this went viral. This has raised a lot of questions.
27:24
Speaker 1: Black bloc in France, are they revolutionaries or are they
27:27
Speaker 1: ammunition for the state? And this is probably the most
27:30
Speaker 1: detailed report you'll get on the subject. available right now.
27:35
Speaker 1: Their methods are documented, their political objectives acknowledged, and their
27:39
Speaker 1: international circulation known. Yet, peaceful demonstrators repeatedly lose control of
27:44
Speaker 1: their own gatherings when the black blocs appear. Consequences extend
27:49
Speaker 1: beyond the streets, used by government afterwards to justify harsh members. Now,
27:55
Speaker 1: who are the winners from this protest? They're winners politically,
27:58
Speaker 1: Marine Le Pen's national rally is now increasing in the polls,
28:02
Speaker 1: and they're promising for more security. The police state is
28:06
Speaker 1: also a winner, the administrative state. There's now talk of
28:09
Speaker 1: pushing digital IDs a lot more aggressively in France because
28:13
Speaker 1: of this. So those are the winners. That is the
28:17
Speaker 1: political outcome here. Now, here's Emmanuel Macron. He's not done.
28:22
Speaker 1: Look who he's blaming here. Roll this clip.
28:28
Speaker 7: There are people who explained that we had been invaded
28:30
Speaker 7: by hordes of migrants and Islamists. There was a foreign
28:34
Speaker 7: manipulation of information, which gave rise to unacceptable and stupid
28:39
Speaker 7: comments from many, including foreign leaders. That is to say
28:43
Speaker 7: that we saw images of artificial intelligence that showed scenes
28:47
Speaker 7: that never happened in France. There are people who explained
28:50
Speaker 7: that we had been invaded by hordes of migrants and Islamists,
28:52
Speaker 7: which is totally false.
28:54
Speaker 2: So the AI.
29:20
Speaker 1: The Russians and Al-Qaeda, that's who Emmanuel Macron's blaming, not
29:24
Speaker 1: austerity measures, not the fact that the schools are falling apart,
29:28
Speaker 1: not the fact that the majority of the protesters, according
29:30
Speaker 1: to studies which were documented detailing many of those who
29:35
Speaker 1: were arrested and convicted, unemployed, living below the poverty level,
29:39
Speaker 1: large percentage, large percentage. So that might have something also
29:44
Speaker 1: to do with it, one would think, in terms of
29:46
Speaker 1: domestic unrest. But don't worry. I think Donald Trump seems
29:50
Speaker 1: to have cracked the code on these protests. Here's what
29:53
Speaker 1: the U.S. president has to say.
29:58
Speaker 8: The French thing is.
30:05
Speaker 5: A very sad situation. What's happening in France? Because what's
30:09
Speaker 5: happening in France has to do with immigration, not schools,
30:13
Speaker 5: not anything. It's immigration. And I told President Macron, close
30:19
Speaker 5: up your borders. I told him the first time I
30:21
Speaker 5: met him, which was years ago in my first term,
30:24
Speaker 5: close up your borders. You're going to have nothing but trouble.
30:27
Speaker 5: And they've got a lot of trouble. They let people
30:30
Speaker 5: into their country that don't love their country. They don't
30:32
Speaker 5: love their buildings. They don't love their art. And I said,
30:36
Speaker 5: the first time I met Macron, I said, you got
30:39
Speaker 5: to close up your borders. You're going to ruin your country.
30:43
Speaker 5: And they've ruined their country. It's going to be hard
30:46
Speaker 5: to get it back, but hopefully France will come back.
30:51
Speaker 1: Just absolutely stupid. But that's par for the course for Trump.
30:54
Speaker 1: You know, how could France or any EU country on
30:57
Speaker 1: the continental Europe shut their borders? Donald Trump couldn't even
31:02
Speaker 1: find France on a map. You'd be lucky if he
31:05
Speaker 1: could or any other European country. So just patently ridiculous
31:08
Speaker 1: in this Schengen zone. And then with regards to the immigration,
31:13
Speaker 1: the majority of the people at the protest were, in fact,
31:16
Speaker 1: born in France. many second, third generation, many are native French,
31:21
Speaker 1: white French. So that doesn't really explain the problem, Donald Trump, unfortunately. So,
31:26
Speaker 1: but not to be outdone, Ursula von der Leyen is
31:30
Speaker 1: also weighed in on this, and she's focusing on one
31:33
Speaker 1: particular threat. You can imagine which one that might be.
31:37
Speaker 1: Here is the head of the European Union.
31:40
Speaker 9: This summer, we witnessed the tragic scenes in Ceuta. And
31:45
Speaker 9: we have seen how Russia and Belarus have weaponized migration.
31:50
Speaker 9: State and non-state actors are deliberately engineering mass movements of people.
31:56
Speaker 9: Of course, the goal is clear. They want to overwhelm authorities.
32:00
Speaker 9: They want to spread fears. They want finally to divide us.
32:05
Speaker 9: They will not succeed.
32:09
Speaker 1: So that's the head of the European Union, unelected, who
32:12
Speaker 1: is saying the Russians are behind... the immigration crisis in Europe.
32:17
Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible claim there, as if it has nothing
32:22
Speaker 1: to do with EU policy, NATO policy, all the wars
32:27
Speaker 1: taking out Libya, taking out Syria, taking out Central Asia, Iraq,
32:31
Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on. So that's her
32:35
Speaker 1: basic pitch there. That's her default position. She's pretty much
32:40
Speaker 1: an automaton at this point. But as I published in
32:44
Speaker 1: the first edition of the column quarterly, we'll bring this
32:47
Speaker 1: up on screen here. These are the reasons. And this
32:49
Speaker 1: study is conclusive. It's not correlation. It's causation. How NATO
32:54
Speaker 1: and Israel are driving Europe's immigration crisis. And I break
32:59
Speaker 1: down this issue. This is in the first edition of
33:01
Speaker 1: the column quarterly. Some of you may have read this.
33:04
Speaker 1: So thus far, some of you haven't. But it is
33:08
Speaker 1: beyond even guessing at this point. It's not my opinion.
33:12
Speaker 1: This is fact based. And these are the drivers, the
33:15
Speaker 1: main drivers of every migrant wave into Europe. are a
33:19
Speaker 1: result of NATO intervention, sanctions, and who dominates NATO, the
33:23
Speaker 1: United States, who steers US foreign policy, Israel does. So
33:27
Speaker 1: these are the main drivers. Will they ever be addressed?
33:30
Speaker 1: And on that issue of immigration, we'll bring this results
33:35
Speaker 1: up on screen here. Latest poll on UK political party preferences.
33:39
Speaker 1: We'll take a closer look at this. This is the
33:42
Speaker 1: lowest reform have polled, I think, since they've come springing
33:47
Speaker 1: onto the scene. So What does this tell you? This
33:49
Speaker 1: tells you that the immigration hype, the immigration fear is
33:52
Speaker 1: dying down. People are concerned about other things, not least
33:57
Speaker 1: of all what their own government is doing and also
34:00
Speaker 1: the economic situation that is hurting everybody. People going to
34:05
Speaker 1: fuel poverty, can't afford to heat their homes, can't afford
34:08
Speaker 1: their power bill, their water bill. I think those are
34:11
Speaker 1: the most important issues in the minds of voters. But
34:14
Speaker 1: the question is, will any of the main parties address
34:18
Speaker 1: these issues in any meaningful way. That's the big question.
34:21
Speaker 1: Good question. Okay.
34:23
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35:04
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35:08
Speaker 2: So let's move on then, and we'll head over to the.
35:15
Speaker 2: Well, we'll say that alongside a total of zero coverage, actually,
35:19
Speaker 2: in Western media, the Verona Eurasian Economic Forum is taking
35:23
Speaker 2: place at the moment in Istanbul. This is an annual
35:26
Speaker 2: business and policy conference about economic ties across greater Eurasia.
35:31
Speaker 2: And despite its name, it hasn't been held in Verona
35:33
Speaker 2: for several years because of Russia's involvement in organizing it
35:37
Speaker 2: and the EU sanctions aspect of that. Matt Errett is
35:42
Speaker 2: attending this year, and he has sent us over this report.
35:48
Speaker 10: Greetings, this is Matthew here, reporting in from Istanbul, Turkey,
35:53
Speaker 10: at the 19th annual Verona Eurasian Economic Forum. Featured there
36:00
Speaker 10: behind me is the actual banner for the forum itself
36:03
Speaker 10: and the massive list of sponsors. I was invited here
36:08
Speaker 10: by Professor Falico and the Conocer Association, which has been
36:12
Speaker 10: managing this event now for nearly 20 years. I think
36:16
Speaker 10: they said 2005 was when it began. And the general
36:21
Speaker 10: ambition is to try to promote dialogue, cooperation. As you
36:25
Speaker 10: see behind me, there's a lot of involvement of business,
36:27
Speaker 10: and especially Rosatom, which is heavily, heavily promoting and trying
36:31
Speaker 10: to educate people about the importance of nuclear energy, fusion power,
36:35
Speaker 10: the different builds in Africa, Turkey, beyond. And that is
36:41
Speaker 10: a big part of the theme of this particular form
36:44
Speaker 10: is the transition to a new system. So there's actually
36:47
Speaker 10: an impressive array of topics that do strike deep into
36:51
Speaker 10: the higher realm of ideas, shaping the political, the economic,
36:56
Speaker 10: the cultural policies that are going to be defining human
36:59
Speaker 10: civilization as we move into this largely self-imposed calamity of war, crises,
37:06
Speaker 10: all of the different crisis points. the destruction of supply chains,
37:11
Speaker 10: and everything that goes in between. So very, very curious.
37:14
Speaker 10: I was, like I said, invited to speak towards the
37:17
Speaker 10: very end on a panel that's going to kind of
37:19
Speaker 10: recapitulate the spirit of things. Some of the speakers that
37:22
Speaker 10: we've heard here on the first day in the morning
37:25
Speaker 10: have been Kirill Dmitriev, who just returned from participating in
37:29
Speaker 10: these discussions with Steve Witkoff and Putin in St. Petersburg
37:32
Speaker 10: pertaining to a potential tripartite meeting between Xi Jinping, Putin,
37:39
Speaker 10: and Trump at the upcoming APEC summit, which will be
37:42
Speaker 10: hosted in Shenzhen, just inside of the Guang, well, southern China,
37:48
Speaker 10: in about a month's time. What could that be? So far,
37:51
Speaker 10: China hasn't said that they're going to participate. We don't
37:54
Speaker 10: know necessarily what that'll look like. But the discussion over
37:57
Speaker 10: whether this is going to be like a new Yalta,
38:00
Speaker 10: or simply an agreement on principle to try to alleviate
38:04
Speaker 10: the orientation towards World War III, or what is it
38:06
Speaker 10: going to be? So that's been a topic. We had
38:11
Speaker 10: Romano Prodi, the former Prime Minister of Italy, who delivered,
38:15
Speaker 10: he's a likable guy, though I think that he delivered
38:17
Speaker 10: some very weak remarks pertaining to the importance of Europe
38:22
Speaker 10: in playing a positive role in, you know, re-establishing peaceful
38:27
Speaker 10: relations and diplomatic positive contacts, especially on the peace process
38:30
Speaker 10: between Ukraine and Russia. Of course, Part of why I
38:34
Speaker 10: say that there was a little bit of a naivete,
38:37
Speaker 10: to say it best, is that he also, in giving
38:42
Speaker 10: demonstrations of how Europe is more unified now than ever,
38:45
Speaker 10: he could only give examples of the war economy and
38:48
Speaker 10: how we're moving closer to a centralized command and control
38:51
Speaker 10: war structure in Europe than ever before in history. That was,
38:56
Speaker 10: like I said, lame, to say the least. The idea
38:59
Speaker 10: also that I would say I'm a bit critical of
39:03
Speaker 10: which was one of the points of success that he
39:06
Speaker 10: said Europe needs if it's going to really achieve the
39:10
Speaker 10: type of positive role that he believes it should be playing.
39:12
Speaker 10: And I believe it should be playing, too, but requires
39:14
Speaker 10: the destruction of the rule of unanimity, meaning pretty much,
39:18
Speaker 10: in my mind, some form of a corporatist Mussolini type
39:22
Speaker 10: that would manage a new European command. So, lame. But
39:27
Speaker 10: despite that, you had Bilal Erdogan. the son of President Erdogan,
39:33
Speaker 10: who gave a fantastic rebuttal and sort of presented a
39:36
Speaker 10: counterbalance to Romano Prodi's positions on these topics, really calling
39:42
Speaker 10: for just returning to a system of dignity and where
39:47
Speaker 10: we can all look to each other as dignified human beings,
39:51
Speaker 10: aspiring to have a future that's going to benefit our
39:53
Speaker 10: children and make decisions according to those types of pragmatic
39:57
Speaker 10: moral decisions and considerations. So that was all very, very good.
40:01
Speaker 10: The question of energy security with a focus on, again,
40:05
Speaker 10: nuclear power, redefining what the term green transition even means
40:11
Speaker 10: to break away from this decarbonization, anti-oil, anti-hydrocarbon policy towards
40:17
Speaker 10: something that is tied to recognizing that hydrocarbons must play
40:20
Speaker 10: a key role in any type of way we define
40:22
Speaker 10: green or the UN's sustainable development goals, as well as
40:25
Speaker 10: nuclear power. That was very, very important. And Professor Falico
40:31
Speaker 10: also delivered a remarkable opening address relating to the importance
40:35
Speaker 10: of culture and citing the Renaissance aspects of Turkish, of Islamic,
40:40
Speaker 10: as well as of European civilizations, as well, and Russia,
40:44
Speaker 10: going into deep history and how that could impact and
40:46
Speaker 10: inform current policymakers and citizens in coming to a better
40:49
Speaker 10: understanding of who we are as people, as neighbors. We
40:53
Speaker 10: had the Minister of... I believe it was the Foreign
40:57
Speaker 10: Affairs Minister of Turkey present sort of an assessment of
41:01
Speaker 10: Turkey's position as it stands right now as a bridge
41:03
Speaker 10: between East and West. And, yeah, individuals who are very
41:08
Speaker 10: high up at Rosatom, as well as one figure who...
41:15
Speaker 10: I think his name was Thomas Gresham, who was playing
41:18
Speaker 10: a role, who was representing the Council on Foreign Relations
41:22
Speaker 10: and Kissinger Associates in order to present sort of, again,
41:25
Speaker 10: the old typical Hobbesian probe, unipolar perspective of which I
41:32
Speaker 10: don't think anybody went along with, but at least they
41:36
Speaker 10: allowed for him to be up there as a bit
41:37
Speaker 10: of a punching bag that I appreciated, frankly.
41:41
Speaker 11: So the voice.
41:42
Speaker 10: On the intercom is announcing that the new panel is
41:44
Speaker 10: going to begin right now, so I'm going to head
41:46
Speaker 10: back in. And Alex Cranor should be running one of the,
41:49
Speaker 10: I believe, the next panel on the fight for the
41:52
Speaker 10: physical economy, which I'm very curious to see what that's
41:54
Speaker 10: going to look like. So I'll check back in with
41:57
Speaker 10: a future video pretty soon.
42:01
Speaker 2: So thanks to Matt for that. Now, he mentioned Kirill Dmitriev,
42:05
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to get your thoughts on this, Patrick.
42:08
Speaker 2: So here's a little bit of what Kirill Dmitriev had
42:10
Speaker 2: to say.
42:13
Speaker 12: I think second point is this idea of rearmament of
42:15
Speaker 12: Europe is really strange to us because Russia does not
42:20
Speaker 12: present a threat to Europe at all. And in any way,
42:24
Speaker 12: it's almost like if you have a nuclear superpower like Russia,
42:28
Speaker 12: how do you go with conventional weapons and spend lots
42:31
Speaker 12: of time on conventional weapons? It's almost like you might
42:34
Speaker 12: as well build lots of factories of bows and arrows
42:37
Speaker 12: if you really expect a big conflict. So it really
42:39
Speaker 12: doesn't make sense. The only explanation for it is lobbying
42:43
Speaker 12: by military-industrial complex that wants to make money off this
42:47
Speaker 12: fear and this warmongering.
42:53
Speaker 2: I should have realized that that was an RT clip.
42:55
Speaker 2: I'd probably get arrested for playing that. But what are
42:58
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this comment?
43:00
Speaker 1: Well, just so people should know, Kirill Dmitriev is the
43:03
Speaker 1: sort of unofficial lead Russian envoy. He's been assigned to
43:07
Speaker 1: deal with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff and keep things
43:10
Speaker 1: running between Russia and the United States in terms of dialogue.
43:14
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's really just saying a lot of things
43:17
Speaker 1: that we say week in, week out here, which is
43:20
Speaker 1: what a massive grift the entire sort of military industrial, quote,
43:25
Speaker 1: defense industry has become. And it's not just for you-know-what
43:30
Speaker 1: and giggles. It's actually dangerous now because the types of
43:34
Speaker 1: technology they're developing are used to incite conflict, which we're
43:38
Speaker 1: seeing being used in Ukraine, deployed, created in the UK
43:43
Speaker 1: and Germany and some of these countries, and then using
43:46
Speaker 1: Ukraine to try to incite a war with Russia, between
43:51
Speaker 1: Europe and Russia. So the dangers are pretty obvious there.
43:56
Speaker 2: Okay, Patrick, UK involvement in the kidnapping of Maduro.
44:02
Speaker 1: Well, this is an interesting story. I never thought I'd
44:04
Speaker 1: see an update this week on this, but I have
44:06
Speaker 1: to thank a great journalist for this, which we will
44:09
Speaker 1: in a moment, though. Update on the Venezuelan coup. You
44:12
Speaker 1: can see Nicolas Maduro there, kidnapped by the United States
44:15
Speaker 1: under a fake indictment. In other words, they made up
44:18
Speaker 1: charges of a fake indictment. drug cartel to accuse him
44:21
Speaker 1: of being a drug kingpin, but they didn't release them
44:24
Speaker 1: when they withdrew the indictment. They just made up a
44:27
Speaker 1: new indictment to keep him in a federal prison in
44:30
Speaker 1: New York awaiting trial. That will be an interesting one.
44:33
Speaker 1: So let's bring this up here. There's been a development here,
44:35
Speaker 1: and a big thanks to Matt Kennard, who is one
44:38
Speaker 1: of the best independent journalists in the UK here. A
44:42
Speaker 1: UK defense editor had information that UK special forces operating
44:47
Speaker 1: in Central America were involved in the U.S. kidnapping of
44:51
Speaker 1: Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro in January 2026, earlier this year.
44:56
Speaker 1: The article was never published after U.K. military's, quote, denoticed
45:01
Speaker 1: censorship body told the editor to spike that story. Says
45:07
Speaker 1: Matt Kenrod, let's look at the details of this because
45:09
Speaker 1: this is interesting here. Venezuela and RAF Fairford. A familiar
45:13
Speaker 1: piece of real estate there. A defense editor requested advice
45:17
Speaker 1: on a draft article in which he intended to report
45:20
Speaker 1: that UK special forces operating in Central America had been
45:23
Speaker 1: involved in the US Maduro kidnap operation. They were advised
45:28
Speaker 1: against speculation of any UK special forces involvement or deployments
45:32
Speaker 1: in the region. DSMA-03 might have included support to U.S.
45:39
Speaker 1: special forces in Venezuela. Let's put some meat on the
45:43
Speaker 1: bones on this here. And we did report on this,
45:47
Speaker 1: I believe, earlier in the year, how Britain helped Trump
45:50
Speaker 1: destabilize Venezuela. But we were just missing a few details,
45:54
Speaker 1: which we got today. Royal Navy personnel have nonetheless been
45:58
Speaker 1: embedded in the U.S. armada in surrounding Venezuela for recent weeks. Well,
46:03
Speaker 1: that's interesting. And with the Ministry of Defense refusing to
46:06
Speaker 1: clarify whether they were present during the attack. And who
46:10
Speaker 1: was defense minister back then, was it? Our Chancellor Exchequer, yes,
46:15
Speaker 1: John Healy, at the time, apparently ordered them not to
46:18
Speaker 1: take part in the strikes. And the U.S.-UK intelligence sharing
46:22
Speaker 1: was reportedly frozen in the Caribbean in order to avoid
46:25
Speaker 1: British complicity in breaches of international law. Well, that was
46:28
Speaker 1: the party line, wasn't it? That was the government claim
46:31
Speaker 1: at the time. And do you remember the great interview
46:33
Speaker 1: here by the fantastic truth teller Laura Kusenberg from the BBC?
46:39
Speaker 1: Keir Starmer was put on the spot of whether the U.K.,
46:43
Speaker 1: or whether the US, pardon me, was a violation of
46:46
Speaker 1: international law for this coup. And this was his response.
46:50
Speaker 1: I want to get all of the material facts together.
46:52
Speaker 1: And we simply haven't got the full picture at the moment.
46:56
Speaker 1: He was terrified during this interview. Do you remember this?
46:59
Speaker 1: Now we know. Now we know. So the question is,
47:02
Speaker 1: was Keir Starmer covering up UK involvement at the time
47:07
Speaker 1: When he was put on the spot, he was panicking
47:10
Speaker 1: during that interview. A very simple question. I mean, the
47:13
Speaker 1: UK have signed up to all the Geneva Conventions, the
47:17
Speaker 1: UN Charter. So it would be kind of a no-brainer,
47:19
Speaker 1: wouldn't it? It is a violation of international law. I mean,
47:23
Speaker 1: give me a break. But let's look at this here.
47:26
Speaker 1: Here's Matt Kennard again bringing this up. British journalists never
47:30
Speaker 1: reported on their government's direct participation in the Gaza genocide.
47:34
Speaker 1: They were obeying the denotice censorship order sent out by
47:38
Speaker 1: the UK's military to the press. Every media editor received
47:43
Speaker 1: this particular document. We're going to show you here, 28th
47:46
Speaker 1: of October, 2023. You were never meant to see it.
47:50
Speaker 1: Here it is. Thank you to Matt Kennard for this.
47:53
Speaker 1: There it is, folks. Right there, private and confidential, not
47:57
Speaker 1: for publication, broadcast, or use on social media. Well, Matt
48:01
Speaker 1: published this on his very, very high profile X account
48:06
Speaker 1: this week here to all editors. And basically, this is
48:09
Speaker 1: your typical denotice. But what are they advising against here
48:14
Speaker 1: in terms of coverage? Well, involvement in the Middle East,
48:18
Speaker 1: and they're specifically talking about what's happening at the time
48:21
Speaker 1: in Gaza. This was the biggest story in the world
48:25
Speaker 1: at the time. So the question we all have to
48:28
Speaker 1: ask ourselves, are we actually being informed by our mainstream
48:32
Speaker 1: press about the most important stories in the world, the
48:36
Speaker 1: most important moments in history, and our own government's involvement
48:42
Speaker 1: in those important moments in history, even if it means nothing?
48:45
Speaker 1: We're talking about assisting the state of Israel in what
48:50
Speaker 1: is patently a genocide, according to all leading genocide scholars
48:54
Speaker 1: in the world and currently in the dock at the
48:56
Speaker 1: International Courts of Justice. Is that a difficult question to ask?
49:00
Speaker 1: Am I pushing too hard on this issue? No, I
49:03
Speaker 1: don't think you are.
49:03
Speaker 2: And of course, we're not being informed because Basel, they
49:07
Speaker 2: would very much prefer to be simply banging the war
49:09
Speaker 2: drums and making sure that people They can get as
49:12
Speaker 2: much public support for the belief in the great Russian
49:18
Speaker 2: enemy or the great Iranian enemy.
49:20
Speaker 1: Enemy as they can. Yes, absolutely, Mike.
49:24
Speaker 3: We have a completely supine corporate media in the UK
49:29
Speaker 3: these days. The Guardian running their headline this morning, every
49:33
Speaker 3: Briton should stockpile water and food supplies, according to the government.
49:40
Speaker 3: Quite what we're going to do with them, who can
49:42
Speaker 3: afford them and where we're all supposed to put them,
49:45
Speaker 3: I've absolutely no idea. But that's the advice. And the
49:48
Speaker 3: BBC following up. War may be coming. Are we psychologically ready? Now,
49:56
Speaker 3: joining me to discuss this and how the current situation
49:59
Speaker 3: has eerie and sinister parallels with 1914 and the run
50:04
Speaker 3: up to the First World War. is the author, historian
50:08
Speaker 3: and geopolitical analyst, Peli North-Taylor. Welcome to the programme, Peli.
50:11
Speaker 13: Hi, thanks.
50:12
Speaker 11: Great to be here. Yeah, it's very familiar. So a
50:16
Speaker 11: lot of people talked about the recent crisis in journalism
50:20
Speaker 11: as something new, but actually warmongering has been going on
50:22
Speaker 11: for a very, very long time. And what strikes me
50:25
Speaker 11: is what's the British propaganda campaign against Germany, starting in
50:29
Speaker 11: about 1895, very similar to the campaign against Russia today.
50:34
Speaker 11: I mean, not in the particulars, but in the sort
50:36
Speaker 11: of vehemence and the aggression about it. And I wrote
50:39
Speaker 11: about it in my book, The War Guilt Question, and
50:42
Speaker 11: my book called Hands Off Our War, which is the
50:45
Speaker 11: second book about diplomacy during the war itself and propaganda
50:48
Speaker 11: during the war. And the book and the title, Hands
50:52
Speaker 11: Off Our War, was used by the Daily Mail when
50:55
Speaker 11: America was trying to broker peace with the Germans and
50:58
Speaker 11: the British kind of being dragged in because the British
51:02
Speaker 11: were entirely economically dependent on America. And Lloyd George said,
51:06
Speaker 11: a knockout interview, we're going to fight this to the end.
51:10
Speaker 11: We're not going to talk to the Germans. And basically,
51:13
Speaker 11: and the Daily Mail headline the next morning was hands
51:15
Speaker 11: off our war. Literally, this is our war. Let us
51:19
Speaker 11: fight it. Even though the British didn't have ammunition and
51:22
Speaker 11: they didn't have money and they were playing a very
51:24
Speaker 11: high stakes game because the Americans were able to cut
51:27
Speaker 11: off both the money and the ammunition. And Wilson was
51:32
Speaker 11: talking to the Germans, actually, about creating a war without victors,
51:37
Speaker 11: because he knew that he campaigned in 1916, just like
51:41
Speaker 11: Roosevelt did, I think. We're not going to fight. We're
51:43
Speaker 11: not going to put our boys into this foreign war.
51:45
Speaker 11: There's a lot of anti-British opinion in America, a lot
51:47
Speaker 11: of Irish and Germans who felt that this was the
51:51
Speaker 11: old colonialist powers fighting for their place in the sun,
51:54
Speaker 11: I think Wilson said. Basically, it's not a war between
51:57
Speaker 11: good and bad, as the British insisted. It's a war
51:59
Speaker 11: between the Germans who are rising economically, mostly manufacturing. They're
52:03
Speaker 11: winning all the Nobel Prizes. And the British were kind
52:06
Speaker 11: of fox hunting and represented the old establishment. The Brits
52:09
Speaker 11: had a lot of supporters, especially among the old Anglophile
52:11
Speaker 11: elite and the business banking elite. But the normal German-American farmer,
52:17
Speaker 11: if you like, German origins, I mean, their ancestors had
52:21
Speaker 11: left Europe because they didn't want to fight European wars
52:25
Speaker 11: between kings and colonialists. And they wanted to get away
52:29
Speaker 11: with that and create a new and better society. That
52:31
Speaker 11: was sort of an original inspiration. And Wilson capitalized on
52:33
Speaker 11: that when he won the election in 1916. But what
52:37
Speaker 11: Lloyd George did was that he created this incredible propaganda
52:42
Speaker 11: against the Germans so that the doves in the German administration,
52:47
Speaker 11: the Kaiser, who is a good guy, contrary to a
52:50
Speaker 11: century of British propaganda, relatively good guy, and Bethman is
52:53
Speaker 11: a forgotten dove of German politics, who's the chancellor. They
52:56
Speaker 11: were facedown. We know this from the diplomatic telegrams after
52:59
Speaker 11: the war by Hindenburg and Ludendorff, the hardliners, who said,
53:04
Speaker 11: look at the way the British humiliate you. You can't
53:07
Speaker 11: talk to the British. We have to defeat them militarily.
53:09
Speaker 11: And if the British carry on insulting us like this,
53:12
Speaker 11: we are going to abandon this Wilsonian peace project, you know.
53:17
Speaker 11: and fight it to the end with our submarines. And
53:19
Speaker 11: that's what they did. So I think the British were
53:21
Speaker 11: reading all the German telegrams, which were being transferred by
53:23
Speaker 11: the Swedish embassy, because Sweden was a neutral country. And
53:27
Speaker 11: because the British owned all the diplomatic, literally owned the
53:29
Speaker 11: physical cables across the Atlantic. And they had very advanced cryptography.
53:33
Speaker 11: So they knew exactly what the German debate was on.
53:35
Speaker 11: And so they knew that exactly by provoking the German
53:37
Speaker 11: hardliners and being completely irrational, as it were, they would
53:43
Speaker 11: probably get the Germans to attack the American shipping that
53:45
Speaker 11: was coming in. And they did that, and they were
53:47
Speaker 11: into war. So what we had in 1917 and 1918,
53:50
Speaker 11: when this war continued, was we had Passchendaele, we had
53:53
Speaker 11: the Russian Revolution, we had Versailles, and we had Hitler.
53:56
Speaker 11: I mean, World War I was not a war between
53:58
Speaker 11: good guys and bad guys. It was a war between
54:00
Speaker 11: a relatively sophisticated... German society, I mean, it wasn't as flexible,
54:05
Speaker 11: perhaps it was slightly authoritarian, but it was very advanced,
54:08
Speaker 11: you know, very artistic, more democratic in some ways than
54:12
Speaker 11: Britain and France, because you had the democratic vote to
54:15
Speaker 11: the Reichstag from 1867, whereas Britain was still didn't have
54:19
Speaker 11: the vote for all men in 1913. But the British
54:22
Speaker 11: propaganda turned Kaiser's Germany into sort of boots, jackbooted dictatorial society,
54:28
Speaker 11: which it wasn't at all. It was a Slightly different
54:31
Speaker 11: kind of democracy, if you like, than Britain. But anyway,
54:34
Speaker 11: so the 1916 peace, missed peace, kind of resembles a
54:39
Speaker 11: little bit what we've got now. We've got the Americans
54:42
Speaker 11: talking to the Russians, back then they were talking to
54:44
Speaker 11: the Germans, for a compromised peace, a peace without victors.
54:48
Speaker 11: And we've got the British media and political class working
54:52
Speaker 11: hand in hand to sabotage this. And, I mean, they're
54:54
Speaker 11: derangedly aggressive, you know. But I'm wondering whether the British,
54:58
Speaker 11: I mean, Lloyd George won that battle, as it were,
55:01
Speaker 11: and the British were damn near nearly losing it. I mean,
55:04
Speaker 11: as I said, if Wilson just stuck to his guns
55:07
Speaker 11: and done what Eisenhower did at Suez, which was close
55:10
Speaker 11: off the British and shut them down economically, Britain would
55:13
Speaker 11: have been forced into peace forever. with the Germans in 1916,
55:16
Speaker 11: and there would have been, I said, a peace without victors,
55:21
Speaker 11: and the Germans were going to give up most of
55:22
Speaker 11: their colonies, and there wouldn't have been a Russian revolution,
55:25
Speaker 11: because the Russian revolution was caused by the Tsar insisting
55:28
Speaker 11: on fighting along with the British and the French, even
55:30
Speaker 11: though the Russians were losing badly on the Eastern Front.
55:32
Speaker 11: So we wouldn't have had Hitler, we wouldn't have had
55:35
Speaker 11: the starvation of the German people in 17 and 18,
55:39
Speaker 11: and we probably wouldn't have had Nazism and all the rest.
55:42
Speaker 11: We would have had a much better 20th century And
55:44
Speaker 11: that was because the British basically manipulated the Americans into
55:48
Speaker 11: fighting the war and stoked the hardliners. And I wonder
55:51
Speaker 11: how much the hardliners having this debate with Putin at
55:53
Speaker 11: the moment. Look at the British. They're attacking you and
55:57
Speaker 11: so on. So you don't.
55:59
Speaker 5: Anyway, sorry.
55:59
Speaker 11: Over to you, Charles. Over to you, Basil.
56:02
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
56:02
Speaker 3: I just thank you for that most enlightening history lesson, Peli.
56:06
Speaker 3: But I'm afraid we've got to leave it there, though.
56:08
Speaker 3: I hope you can join us in extra after the
56:11
Speaker 3: top of the hour. Now, finally, then, in case you
56:15
Speaker 3: missed it, let's fly over to a quick slew of stories.
56:21
Speaker 3: First of all, this lady, Lana Nusmeh, is apparently being
56:26
Speaker 3: lined up to succeed Antonio Gutierrez as UN Secretary General.
56:31
Speaker 3: She is no dove, apparently. She's something of a Zionist stooge.
56:37
Speaker 3: On the other hand, why not have Lewis Hamilton as
56:40
Speaker 3: UN Secretary General? He seems to talk a lot more sense,
56:42
Speaker 3: as we can hear now.
56:43
Speaker 1: And then I guess I'll finish it off with.
56:50
Speaker 10: I think we need to make sure we're pushing to
56:52
Speaker 10: free Congo, free Sudan, free Syria, free Palestine.
56:56
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of peace that I'm hoping
56:59
Speaker 4: that at some stage we get to.
57:03
Speaker 3: Well, wouldn't that make a change, some peace? Next up,
57:07
Speaker 3: Manchester City, of course, have been found guilty of tremendous
57:11
Speaker 3: financial impropriety in the Premier League. They paid the council £ 750, 000
57:16
Speaker 3: a year for stadium naming rights and then sold them
57:19
Speaker 3: for £ 100 million. Lots of questions to be asked about
57:23
Speaker 3: Manchester City Council's involvement with the stadium and Manchester City
57:28
Speaker 3: in general, and also murmurings that the United Arab Emirates
57:32
Speaker 3: have threatened to pull out Huge investments from the UK
57:35
Speaker 3: if Manchester City are punished, as they should be, for
57:39
Speaker 3: effectively cheating to win all those Premier League titles.
57:44
Speaker 1: Next up. Now, this really is quite extraordinary. Hold on
57:47
Speaker 1: to your hats, folks.
57:50
Speaker 8: You tweeted this out. Big tech has officially turned data
57:53
Speaker 8: centers into human silicon hybrid monstrosities. These biological computers use
57:59
Speaker 8: millions of living human brain cells integrated with silicon chips
58:05
Speaker 8: requiring artificial heart, lung, and kidney life support functions to
58:10
Speaker 8: keep neurons alive. What the hell is going on, Nicholas?
58:13
Speaker 13: This is what's now occurring and nobody seems to care
58:18
Speaker 13: because everybody's so demoralized. So literally a company called Cortical
58:22
Speaker 13: Labs is literally manufacturing and now selling human silicon hybrid
58:30
Speaker 13: machine units across the globe. And they've also constructed what's
58:35
Speaker 13: called a biological data center. A biological data center is
58:40
Speaker 13: one of these human silicon hybrid monstrosities where they have
58:44
Speaker 13: inserted 16 million human neurons that they grow from stem
58:49
Speaker 13: cells So literally human brain cells, they shove them in
58:54
Speaker 13: and merge it with the silicon chips. And then they
58:58
Speaker 13: hook up the artificial life support functions to give the
59:01
Speaker 13: neurons nutrients to excrete the waste and to keep them alive.
59:07
Speaker 13: And then they basically encase it. and they have human
59:12
Speaker 13: neurons operating in these trapped machines. And so nobody knows
59:18
Speaker 13: if they're conscious. They could be.
59:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, the nightmare is here, folks, and Jeff Bezos seems
59:26
Speaker 3: determined to accelerate it. His Amazon is using AI to
59:31
Speaker 3: track and rank employees based on their likelihood of unionizing.
59:37
Speaker 3: This AI surveillance tool is meant to stop unions before
59:40
Speaker 3: they can even be formed. And speaking of AI, Slough
59:46
Speaker 3: is its center in Britain. There are 10 data centers
59:49
Speaker 3: there making life possible. residents an absolute nightmare. And just
59:53
Speaker 3: this week, somebody took it in mind to do some
59:57
Speaker 3: projections on the cooling towers, as we can see now. So, yeah,
1:00:02
Speaker 3: this is the cooling tower. AI will lead to the
1:00:06
Speaker 3: end of the world. In fact, AI leaders have been
1:00:10
Speaker 3: saying they're quite happy for it to indeed bring about
1:00:13
Speaker 3: the end of the world. But we'll have some great
1:00:16
Speaker 3: companies in the meantime. So that's all right then. Now,
1:00:21
Speaker 3: just because it isn't in the headlines every day doesn't
1:00:23
Speaker 3: mean that the situation in Gaza is any better. In fact,
1:00:26
Speaker 3: it's worse. The starvation has been intensified. No vegetables and
1:00:30
Speaker 3: fruits have been let into the death camp for the
1:00:35
Speaker 3: last six days. I believe the starvation situation there is
1:00:40
Speaker 3: absolutely abysmal. And finally, a robot, AI-powered robot. I don't
1:00:46
Speaker 3: know whether he's got those human cells in his brain,
1:00:50
Speaker 3: but he's gone berserk, just like people do on football
1:00:55
Speaker 3: terraces every Saturday afternoon.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: Arms and limbs there.
1:00:59
Speaker 3: Perhaps his team have scored a goal Or is he
1:01:01
Speaker 3: trying to hit.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: Out at somebody?
1:01:04
Speaker 3: And has he got human cells in him? Well, before long,
1:01:09
Speaker 3: he might well do.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: Thanks for that, Basil. Happy note to leave it on
1:01:14
Speaker 2: for today. We've got to finish there. Thanks, Patrick, Basil.
1:01:17
Speaker 2: Thanks to our guests. And we will be back in
1:01:22
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes if your UK Cold members stay
1:01:25
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1:01:29
Speaker 2: a great weekend. Don't forget Thousand Words on Sunday evening.
1:01:32
Speaker 2: We'll be back at 1pm as usual on Monday. We'll
1:01:35
Speaker 2: see you then. Thanks for joining us.
1:01:36
Speaker 1: Bye-bye.