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Jags Drive Time: Thursday, December 19 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football manning look to
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Speaker 1: steps John o jo Actually, Jaguars Drive Time starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome Jaguars Drive Time Thursday Morning, brought
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Speaker 1: up on this Thursday morning. John Osier joins us, not
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Speaker 1: on his regular day, Reggie Hayward, which will join us
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Speaker 1: in the next block. That's because we have big news
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Speaker 1: to discuss. It is not going to be a boring show.
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Speaker 1: As most of you know. Last night, Tom Coughlin relieved
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Speaker 1: of his duties of executive vice president of football Operations.
0:53
Speaker 1: We have Shad Kant's comments here. Con writes that he
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Speaker 1: determined at the beginning of the season that making this
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Speaker 1: decision would be best at the end of the season,
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Speaker 1: but with recent events, I decided it would be best
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Speaker 1: to make this decision now. Doug Morone and Dave Cobble
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Speaker 1: will report directly to Shod Khan for the next two weeks.
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Speaker 1: Shot has high expectations for the next two games and
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Speaker 1: season going forward, Guys, last night, what do you think initially? Well, well, actually,
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Speaker 1: just to clarify, um, like you miss spoken said beginning
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Speaker 1: content earlier this season at some point with the losing,
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Speaker 1: it made it sound like it was before the season
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Speaker 1: he decided. But Brian, I you know, I hate this
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Speaker 1: because you know, you and I have known Tom forever.
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Speaker 1: You know here, you're closer to than I am saying.
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Speaker 1: I know you have more thoughts on that. Uh, but
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Speaker 1: it it just sometimes things start to feel inevitable, ah endings,
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Speaker 1: especially when they're unwanted or often messy. This one was.
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Speaker 1: But by the time it happened last night, it felt
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Speaker 1: like people were just waiting to see when it would happen,
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Speaker 1: not if well, you know, quietly people around him that
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Speaker 1: I have talked to, I believed he was going to
2:03
Speaker 1: step away at the end of the season anyway. Um,
2:07
Speaker 1: you know, the losing probably contributed that to someone, But
2:09
Speaker 1: just that this situation here, it was ready for a change,
2:13
Speaker 1: and I think he was ready for a change. Um.
2:17
Speaker 1: And and now you're hearing those reports around the NFL
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Speaker 1: that con should have weighed because you can retire anyway.
2:23
Speaker 1: And I think that the semino point is he con
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Speaker 1: had to make a move to show good faith to
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Speaker 1: the players Association and the players that this was not
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Speaker 1: the Jaguar way, that you weren't going to be a
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Speaker 1: place where players were going to be persecuted financially for
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Speaker 1: things that they weren't required to do. And so I
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Speaker 1: hate that it happened because I hate to see someone
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Speaker 1: who's been so important to the franchise for so many
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Speaker 1: years and someone it's not your maine to the topic
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Speaker 1: than he's a good man who does good things in
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Speaker 1: the community and has been vilified the last couple of days.
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Speaker 1: The intense with him, as you know, we're always top
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Speaker 1: end to be the best possible team. You could be
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Speaker 1: out right or wrong. That was his motivation. Go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Well, but where we are right now is
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Speaker 1: it reached critical mass the last two days. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't talk to Mr Khan about this,
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Speaker 1: but I got the sense that as the losing was
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Speaker 1: going on and he wasn't doing anything, he was going
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Speaker 1: to let it go to the end of the year
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Speaker 1: as well, as he says in his statement. And then
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Speaker 1: the seven thousand dollars in fines de Fowler I thought
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Speaker 1: What was really a damning one yesterday was the ninety
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Speaker 1: dollar fine that Leonard for Nett acknowledged that he was
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Speaker 1: given back walking out of the locker room yesterday. It
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Speaker 1: seemed like something had to be done. Nine players without
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Speaker 1: outspoke dollars for sitting on the bench and joking, goofing,
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. That was the one
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Speaker 1: where I went, Wow, I wonder how long this can
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Speaker 1: take you? You just got the feeling this was sliding
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Speaker 1: downhill midday yesterday, UM, and Mr Khan took the action
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Speaker 1: that he felt was necessary. It's hard to argue with it.
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Speaker 1: There are some people out there arguing, why didn't you
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Speaker 1: just let it? Let it go? UM? But I think
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Speaker 1: he had to make a statement and do something, and
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Speaker 1: so he did. Yeah. I'm always a big id to
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Speaker 1: hear both sides of the story. I'm sure from Tom
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Speaker 1: the Jaguar's perspective, you know that not everything is out
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Speaker 1: in terms of what happened. You can be sure of that, right,
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Speaker 1: But you won't hear that this week though correct and
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Speaker 1: February I prefer to say by that of no matter
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Speaker 1: what the details were, at this point, the perception because
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Speaker 1: of the memo it was runaway is that this is
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Speaker 1: not a player friendly organization. No matter what had been
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Speaker 1: said by the organization at this point, I don't think
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Speaker 1: it was gonna I don't think there was a wave
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Speaker 1: that was going to wipe away that perception. It was
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Speaker 1: gonna be hard to change that, maybe impossible to change
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Speaker 1: it as long as Tom was in the chair without
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Speaker 1: a doubt, so that even if they had not wanted
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Speaker 1: to do the hands were kind of tied. The last
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Speaker 1: line the you should can hider these elements when you
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Speaker 1: decide whether you're going to play in Jacksonville or no.
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Speaker 1: I had never seen that before. I'll ask Gergie Hayward.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's never seen Clay's Campbell had never seen
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Speaker 1: that before. A lot of the the older line guys
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Speaker 1: had never seen anything like that before. Um I had
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Speaker 1: someone tell me that's a hit job by the Union
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Speaker 1: on Tom. Uh. Absolutely it was. I mean, they were
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Speaker 1: making their point that this is not the way it's done,
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Speaker 1: and so they attacked and they got what they wanted.
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Speaker 1: Essentially a hit job or not fair or not, it
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Speaker 1: had the effect and and and from Shod's perspectives, to
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Speaker 1: do you couldn't have a perception that you couldn't friendly players. No,
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Speaker 1: you couldn't. It had to change. He couldn't wait for
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Speaker 1: him to retire. And and I believe, and I have
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Speaker 1: not talked to Tom this morning or last night, but
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Speaker 1: I believe that he understood it too. Can we throw
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Speaker 1: the graphic up of Tom in two thousand three, when
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Speaker 1: Tom was fired as they head coach here, you didn't hear.
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Speaker 1: We didn't hear from him. I didn't talk to him
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Speaker 1: for months, m months. He didn't make a public statement. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't think he ever did. He was out of
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Speaker 1: football and oh three and he came back with the
6:13
Speaker 1: Giants and never really talked about Jacksonville. And last night
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Speaker 1: I was waiting to see what might happen, if we
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Speaker 1: would hear anything. And then he released this statement and
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Speaker 1: from Chris Mortenson, through Chris Mortenson, who is one of
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Speaker 1: his dear friends, who's a huge supporter of the j fund.
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Speaker 1: But the comment was that Sandy montag No, Okay, the
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Speaker 1: comment right there where he says that he was grateful.
6:42
Speaker 1: I don't know what you can see the whole thing
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Speaker 1: at the and he basically says he'll always be supportive
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Speaker 1: of the Jagon that he saying he's grateful for the
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Speaker 1: time here. My impression was that wasn't his tone at all. Three. No, No,
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Speaker 1: you didn't hear anything from him. He didn't talk at
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Speaker 1: all in oh three. I'm not sure that he talked
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville publicly until he came back here with the
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Speaker 1: j fund Um much later in the decade. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean that he talked about it, that he had
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Speaker 1: success in New York, that he was willing to talk
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Speaker 1: about what happened with the Jaguars. That for him to
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Speaker 1: make this statement last night says to me that he
7:16
Speaker 1: acknowledges that it was time. I'll leave it at that.
7:20
Speaker 1: That's my impression. Um, But it's hard to argue that
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Speaker 1: something had to happen. It was critical mass. So now
7:30
Speaker 1: going forward, I mean, we all knew change would likely
7:33
Speaker 1: be coming at the end of the season. Now that
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Speaker 1: we have seen this change here yesterday, what happens now
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Speaker 1: the final two weeks and at the end of the season,
7:40
Speaker 1: we think, well, that's a great question, and it's one
7:43
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are trying to to sift through. Um.
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Speaker 1: Could Doug Marone stay? Um? I watched his press conference
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Speaker 1: yesterday and left with a distinct feeling that he could
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Speaker 1: um Mr CON's statement where he said, I have high
8:01
Speaker 1: expectations for the final two games, and to me is
8:05
Speaker 1: leaving the door wide open. He and and and and
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Speaker 1: his people are No, they don't leave words to chance.
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Speaker 1: To me, that says, well, they go beat the Colts
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Speaker 1: and the Falcons here the last two weeks, or the
8:16
Speaker 1: Falcons and the Colts in order. Uh, they could make
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Speaker 1: the decision to see Doug Morone as the coach. Uh
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Speaker 1: does Dave Caldwell stay. I mean, I think all of
8:26
Speaker 1: those things are still on the table. I know people
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Speaker 1: probably don't want to hear that. I think there's a
8:30
Speaker 1: sentiment out there. Fire everybody, right, I mean, burn the
8:33
Speaker 1: thing to the ground, get the hose in the broom,
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Speaker 1: clean it all out. Um, you don't know the whole
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Speaker 1: story with that, Well, no, I don't. I don't at all.
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Speaker 1: And so my fans don't say blow it up. It
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Speaker 1: would be interesting to see how these last two weeks
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Speaker 1: go and what Mr Khan decides to do. Yeah, blowing
8:51
Speaker 1: up is as as cathartic as it some Nimes fields
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Speaker 1: for fans, is not always the best choice. I have
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Speaker 1: no idea what shout to um in the in the
9:03
Speaker 1: release of shots. When there's a release like that, you
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Speaker 1: spend the next however long until the man talks, parsing
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Speaker 1: through it and trying to interpret words. I had many
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Speaker 1: emails last night, well he said the use of the
9:19
Speaker 1: word interim. I had people asking me, well, does that
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Speaker 1: mean it's all interim and they're gone af for two weeks.
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Speaker 1: I would not read too much into the word interim,
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Speaker 1: except for the fact that Tom was the reporting point
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Speaker 1: for both men directly. It was it was like this,
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Speaker 1: so Seaan wanted to address now it will be to
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Speaker 1: him like this until further news is revealed about how
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Speaker 1: the organization structured. I didn't get the sense that he
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Speaker 1: was saying this is interim and both men are gone.
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Speaker 1: But there were people out there, I think, who tried
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Speaker 1: to read into that. I wouldn't read that way into it.
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Speaker 1: You just needed some sort of structure. Yes, and I
9:55
Speaker 1: agree with you. I would like me I'll go out
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Speaker 1: and say it. I would like to see dougs a
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Speaker 1: because I think he's done a good job in really
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Speaker 1: tough circumstances. I think he's a good NFL coach. Um.
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Speaker 1: I see him both I mean, I think Dave Carlo
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Speaker 1: has had better drafts in the last three or four years,
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Speaker 1: and he did before. But I don't know what chid.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to mention. And you said this
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Speaker 1: last week, a lot of people were talking about Mike McCarthy.
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Speaker 1: He did the story with the Tom Tella sorrow on
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Speaker 1: NFL Network and then Peter King did one with him
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Speaker 1: this week. And he's a hot name as a former
10:26
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winner who's getting back into it. You take
10:28
Speaker 1: him and you take Ron Rivera, who was fired by
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Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. Where's the differentiation point? Are they that
10:35
Speaker 1: much different? Their professional football coaches lifers so to speak? Actually,
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Speaker 1: if he called that Mike McCarthy had a great run,
10:43
Speaker 1: he had Aaron Rodgers, right, um, Ron Rivera had Cam
10:48
Speaker 1: Newton who got him to a super Bowl. When Cam
10:51
Speaker 1: played at his highest level, he was he was a
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Speaker 1: good team and he didn't. They were just Okay. Doug
10:56
Speaker 1: has had quarterback turmoil here and I think we should
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Speaker 1: address ye. Really, the issue the NFL p A thing
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Speaker 1: is it was the match that lit the bonfire, but
11:08
Speaker 1: the bonfire was set up here because they made a
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Speaker 1: mistake at quarterback. And if you mess up the quarterback position,
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Speaker 1: nothing works. And if you get the quarterback position right,
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Speaker 1: nearly everything works. And what I find ironic, and you
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Speaker 1: and I've talked about this, so in they passed on
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes for an obvious reason. They
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Speaker 1: wanted Leonard for Nette to play a particular style of football.
11:33
Speaker 1: They had built the defense through free agency. They felt
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Speaker 1: like Blake Bortles could play a play action style and
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Speaker 1: they could win. And they did great defense, and right,
11:43
Speaker 1: they were going to play to a defense with play
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Speaker 1: action in the running game, and they did so. They
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Speaker 1: draft Leonard for Nett, and they get as far as
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Speaker 1: this franchise, as close as this franchise, I should say,
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Speaker 1: has ever been to the Super Bowl. They had a
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Speaker 1: lead in the fourth quarter with six minutes to play
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Speaker 1: in New England. But then the last two years the
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Speaker 1: quarterback thing. They extend Blake, they cut Blake, they signed Nick,
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Speaker 1: they find Gardner. Right, the quarterback position here is a mess,
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Speaker 1: so much movement, a mess financially. And meanwhile you look
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Speaker 1: at Deshaun Watson and Houston and Patrick Mahomes in Kansas
12:15
Speaker 1: City playoff teams. Mahomes already want us an m v P,
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Speaker 1: and you feel like Watson and his career is going
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Speaker 1: to win an m v P. And so from their moment, right,
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Speaker 1: they built it around the running game, and they built
12:28
Speaker 1: it around the defense, and that's not sustainable. You can't
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Speaker 1: win long term in this league unless you build around
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Even look at Tavan Brian. They draft Aven
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Speaker 1: Brian instead of Lamar Jackson because because we'll hold on
12:40
Speaker 1: a second, but not for the reason you're thinking, I
12:42
Speaker 1: point out, because they looked and said, well, Taven Bryan
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Speaker 1: replaces Mollie Jackson who had a huge cap number and
12:47
Speaker 1: didn't play all that well. So they were still building
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Speaker 1: around the defense and the running game, thinking they'd figure
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Speaker 1: out the quarterback position. Well, you can't figure out the
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Speaker 1: quarterback position until you draft the right guy. I remember
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Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen, it was about winning lunch, it
13:02
Speaker 1: was about winning right now, and that's why they dropped
13:04
Speaker 1: it did what they did, and you sort of felt
13:07
Speaker 1: at the time, short term gain, long term pain is apossible.
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Speaker 1: Here uh had a grade seventeen and now here they
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Speaker 1: are with a mess a massive quarterback and they've got
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Speaker 1: to fix that. So that to me, if I'm looking
13:20
Speaker 1: at it objectively. If you're looking for reasons to fire
13:24
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, you fired because the quarterback position is an
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Speaker 1: utter mess. You could have Knit Foles on this roster,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that you will next year as a
13:32
Speaker 1: backup at twenty two million dollars. Okay, Well, I mean
13:35
Speaker 1: that's that's a fireball. That's a fireball offense in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: You can't you can't have that. So but it was
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Speaker 1: the NFL p a issue that lit the fire on
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Speaker 1: this thing and got it rolling downhill. Quick story, Um,
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Speaker 1: I walk out this door. You see a picture of
13:52
Speaker 1: Cornell Lake. Carnell was a Pro Bowl safeties you remember
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Speaker 1: all Pro safety jack Were signed him in ninety nine
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Speaker 1: and had that great run in that season. It fell
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Speaker 1: short of the Super Bowl, but they restructured his contract
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Speaker 1: a couple of times, and it's it's been the worst
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Speaker 1: contract in Jaguar's history because he made eighteen million dollars
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Speaker 1: in cash and played eighteen games. Okay, Bill, great for Carnell,
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Speaker 1: who is a phenomenal human being, but it was a
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Speaker 1: terrible contract. Well so can you imagine if you have
14:21
Speaker 1: Nick Foles here and he started four games and if
14:25
Speaker 1: he's the backup next year, he will have made forty
14:28
Speaker 1: million dollars and change for four starts. You see what
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Speaker 1: I mean. I mean that's the real reason why change
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Speaker 1: had to happen. It's just this nfl p A thing
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Speaker 1: was again the match, the fuel for the fire. It
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Speaker 1: was gonna happen at the end of the season. The
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Speaker 1: nflp A thing made it happen ten days before. That's
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Speaker 1: a good way to summarize it up. When we come back,
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Speaker 1: to change some things up, but he's back on the program.
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Speaker 1: Do not fear, Reggie. When you heard the news last night,
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Speaker 1: what do you think? Um? I was a little bit surprised.
17:30
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew things were going to be a
17:33
Speaker 1: little you know, shaped up at the end of the season,
17:35
Speaker 1: but to see what the NFLPA had to say about
17:37
Speaker 1: the situation that was that was a little eye catching.
17:40
Speaker 1: As a former player, when you may be going into
17:43
Speaker 1: a big ear, you hear that, you know, you gotta
17:46
Speaker 1: watch where you're going, especially when it comes to money.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna hurt that team. Have you ever
17:52
Speaker 1: seen the Association ever say something not not just like that,
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Speaker 1: but negative publicly about a particular franchise. I can't recall
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Speaker 1: it never, And and I think it's like it's a
18:04
Speaker 1: tip for tap now because um, the league has been
18:07
Speaker 1: locking down on players, you know, behavior and how they're being,
18:11
Speaker 1: you know, how they how they walk outside of these
18:13
Speaker 1: doors and represent the NFL. Now the NFLPA is saying like, Okay, now,
18:18
Speaker 1: you guys need to clean something up. Okay, you can't
18:21
Speaker 1: treat these players like that. You can't like just rob
18:25
Speaker 1: them out of out of necessity to get them to
18:28
Speaker 1: do what you need them to do. So we're not
18:30
Speaker 1: gonna go for that. So we're gonna clean up our side,
18:32
Speaker 1: you clean up your side, and we're gonna make an
18:34
Speaker 1: example at a time conferment. We're gonna make an example
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Speaker 1: out of the Jaguars. And I think that sends like
18:39
Speaker 1: a ripple effect through the NFL. So if you're out
18:41
Speaker 1: there trying to um manipulate some of your players by
18:45
Speaker 1: contracts and what money you give them, stop it immediately.
18:48
Speaker 1: We're not gonna we're not gonna settle for that. So
18:50
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a new error in football. What's
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Speaker 1: the strangest fine you ever got? And strange look or
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Speaker 1: or a teammate Denver or Jacksonville and its strange meaning, Man,
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Speaker 1: how in the world can they find a guy for
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Speaker 1: that and that much money? Because this is not new.
19:09
Speaker 1: I mean, guys have been fine while you think about
19:11
Speaker 1: that year one. Um. Tom Coughlin is always fine guys,
19:15
Speaker 1: I mean, this is no Jeff will be on with
19:19
Speaker 1: JP later today. And Jeff used to have to go
19:22
Speaker 1: and fight with Tom about the c B A. And
19:26
Speaker 1: I can remember there was a bet between Fred Taylor
19:28
Speaker 1: and Marlos Lee Roy, who was an defensive tackle here
19:31
Speaker 1: in the late nineties. Earl I think was two thousand
19:33
Speaker 1: about Florida Georgia. Marlos was a defensive tackle from Georgia.
19:36
Speaker 1: Fred obviously played at Florida. The loser had to wear
19:39
Speaker 1: a suit in the color of the other team, so
19:42
Speaker 1: Marlos wore an orange suit with a blue tie and
19:45
Speaker 1: a blue shirt. I mean, it was it was. It
19:48
Speaker 1: was loud, but but it was it was. It was.
19:51
Speaker 1: It was custom made, so it wasn't like something they
19:54
Speaker 1: bought off where you could buy an orange suit only Gainsville,
19:56
Speaker 1: probably maybe Syracuse, so maybe Tom should have a he
20:00
Speaker 1: shooted that being a Syracus guy. But but he find
20:02
Speaker 1: him five grand conductor tremental for wearing the shoot and
20:05
Speaker 1: I remember going, oh, that's that that that it seems successive.
20:10
Speaker 1: But comparatively speaking, I mean do you remember some of
20:12
Speaker 1: these not really, you know when I came into the league.
20:15
Speaker 1: I came in the league with Mike Shanahan and different Broncos,
20:18
Speaker 1: and you know, he had structure, but he allowed us
20:22
Speaker 1: to have fun. I mean, like the most other saying
20:24
Speaker 1: someone get fined for and it had nothing to do
20:26
Speaker 1: with football, was we would have tremendous gambling parties and
20:30
Speaker 1: we would you know, play cards or play poker and
20:34
Speaker 1: someone didn't pay that debt, Shanahan would pull it out
20:38
Speaker 1: of there, out of their contract and pay that person,
20:42
Speaker 1: which we all were found with. It wasn't something that
20:44
Speaker 1: you know, people were shouting and screaming about, but we
20:47
Speaker 1: used to hear her stories about you know, the Jaguars
20:50
Speaker 1: and Tom Coffin and people getting fined for not for
20:53
Speaker 1: taking their helmets off during you know, just a sideline activity,
20:56
Speaker 1: and we were like, how could he find people or
20:59
Speaker 1: or or an over people like that just because they're
21:01
Speaker 1: taking their helmet off and getting a civil water. These
21:03
Speaker 1: are adults we're talking about, So we kind of everyone
21:07
Speaker 1: kind of cringe when he came to Jacksonville and how
21:10
Speaker 1: the coach handled the players. But they were being successful,
21:13
Speaker 1: so I guess everybody swept that out of the rug.
21:16
Speaker 1: Now you fast forward to two thousand and nineteen and
21:18
Speaker 1: he's still kind of has that type of mentality, but
21:21
Speaker 1: they're they're not successful. They're not successful. Now it brings
21:25
Speaker 1: a huge spotlight on on the organization and some hands
21:29
Speaker 1: half the row. Well, the other thing I think it's
21:31
Speaker 1: interesting we haven't talked about it is that it was
21:32
Speaker 1: Tom doing the fighting. I mean, normally it's the coach
21:35
Speaker 1: that levies the fines. But and that put Doug in
21:38
Speaker 1: a position and he was asked yesterday awkward in his
21:41
Speaker 1: news conference yesterday about you know, the role because he
21:45
Speaker 1: saw himself as being right in between a former player,
21:49
Speaker 1: right who works with the players, And he said that
21:52
Speaker 1: management often saw him with the players, but then the
21:54
Speaker 1: players often saw him with management. He said at different stops.
21:57
Speaker 1: He didn't Jacksonville, but through his career or he has
22:00
Speaker 1: felt that, Yeah, he's he's felt that way, so you
22:03
Speaker 1: know he was in an awkward position. The structure of
22:06
Speaker 1: it was to begin with, yeah, I think like to
22:11
Speaker 1: be successful, we have to have trust. And you know,
22:13
Speaker 1: you're looking at your head coach and you're wondering if
22:15
Speaker 1: he's sadding with management and management and sat looking at
22:18
Speaker 1: the head coach and saying as he's siding with the players,
22:21
Speaker 1: and and I think Doug did a great job but
22:23
Speaker 1: not choosing a side because it would fall apart so definitely.
22:27
Speaker 1: But I mean, I wouldn't want to be in that
22:30
Speaker 1: position because it's too hard to win football games. And
22:33
Speaker 1: now you're doing you now you're doing like the drama
22:36
Speaker 1: in the back back office deal where I have to
22:38
Speaker 1: make everyone happy and I don't want to make everyone happy.
22:41
Speaker 1: I just want to win football games. And and that's
22:44
Speaker 1: a strain that maybe he doesn't have to worry about
22:45
Speaker 1: that now, maybe he can relax his shoulders and just
22:48
Speaker 1: play football and not have to worry about silly fans
22:51
Speaker 1: like I mean, that's a lot of money to to
22:53
Speaker 1: take care to take away from somebody with something that
22:57
Speaker 1: you made up on the spur of the moment, Like
22:58
Speaker 1: you just can't make these things mandatory during the off season.
23:01
Speaker 1: These people have families, they want to go home, and
23:04
Speaker 1: sometimes like as a player, I want to get treated
23:06
Speaker 1: by someone that isn't in this organization so I can
23:08
Speaker 1: get honest. I want to honest troop about if I'm
23:12
Speaker 1: injured or not, you know what I mean. Some because
23:14
Speaker 1: sometimes you get doctors they tell you, hey, you're all
23:17
Speaker 1: right when you're really not, or you at least want
23:21
Speaker 1: the right to find out the second option. And sometimes,
23:26
Speaker 1: you know, you want to spend some times with your
23:28
Speaker 1: kid and your your your your wife and there in
23:30
Speaker 1: another state, and this is my time to be around
23:33
Speaker 1: my family. So if if Tom was that sort of
23:38
Speaker 1: overarching issue in the locker room, and guys you know,
23:42
Speaker 1: felt like they were walking on eggshells at all times, which,
23:46
Speaker 1: by the way, Tom kind of like that. You know.
23:49
Speaker 1: I can remember Vick Catchman who um Ben Coleman was
23:57
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman who was here in the really days,
24:00
Speaker 1: And Vick is interviewing Ben, not even interviewing. They're talking
24:04
Speaker 1: as they're walking down the hall. There was a rule
24:05
Speaker 1: against interviewing outside the locker room. And Tom walked by
24:08
Speaker 1: and find Ben five thousand dollars for conduct detrimental for
24:13
Speaker 1: violating the rules, and VIC went to Tom and said,
24:16
Speaker 1: you can't do that. Don't do that. He won't talk
24:19
Speaker 1: to me, and Tom said, hey, look, it's not a
24:21
Speaker 1: nice game. I want these guys on edge. That was
24:23
Speaker 1: his philosophy. He liked the edgenus part of it. Um.
24:28
Speaker 1: And and that's that's kind of abusing your power. I mean,
24:31
Speaker 1: I can have a conversation, we can have a I
24:33
Speaker 1: can be asking you how your family is, knowing how
24:34
Speaker 1: your children doing that that's not an interview, no, you
24:37
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, So, I mean like Tom
24:40
Speaker 1: thought that that's what he needed to do to win.
24:43
Speaker 1: And when you have like I want to say, you
24:46
Speaker 1: get into this like I have a a ritual or
24:49
Speaker 1: I have some type. You know. This is what I
24:51
Speaker 1: feel like the reason why we have successes because I
24:54
Speaker 1: have everyone nervous and they go out and they perform well.
24:57
Speaker 1: And it's hard to change that. Tom has never changed
25:00
Speaker 1: anged who he is. And as a I don't think
25:04
Speaker 1: it's a stress to say hall of fame coach, because
25:06
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be in the Hall of
25:07
Speaker 1: Fame in the next five or six years. Um. He
25:10
Speaker 1: didn't feel the need to what it turns out as
25:13
Speaker 1: you look back on it was he wasn't the coach here,
25:16
Speaker 1: but he that's all he is. He's a coach, much
25:18
Speaker 1: like you know Bill Parcels didn't work out with the Dolphins,
25:21
Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren didn't work out in that executive vice president
25:25
Speaker 1: role with Browns. Um. There have been situations before where
25:30
Speaker 1: you know, coaches, coach, scouts, scout personnel. Guys do their job,
25:34
Speaker 1: but when you try to take one and make him
25:36
Speaker 1: the other, it doesn't work. The structure just didn't pan out.
25:39
Speaker 1: It panned out for one year, um, but then fell apart.
25:43
Speaker 1: Any The reality is you don't get in again. You've
25:48
Speaker 1: known Tom longer and more intimately than I have, but
25:52
Speaker 1: I don't think you get the super Bowl championships. I
25:55
Speaker 1: don't think you get all this success without the other stuff.
25:58
Speaker 1: With him, he was a hundred miles and hour pedal
26:01
Speaker 1: believing what he believed. Now that doesn't make him right
26:05
Speaker 1: and some of the things we're talking about, but he
26:07
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna change his spots and it was who he was,
26:10
Speaker 1: so it was almost like you had to take this
26:13
Speaker 1: to get this. And there were times where this part
26:15
Speaker 1: was great with Vince Lombardi. It worked here for six
26:18
Speaker 1: years before. So um, I guess the kryptonite, the fatal
26:23
Speaker 1: flaw syndrome. You know you win with it, winning with
26:28
Speaker 1: a sword bible. Uh, that was it wasn't the right way,
26:32
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just go back. I mean
26:34
Speaker 1: the trophy, the Lombardi trophies named after a guy that
26:37
Speaker 1: most guys didn't like playing for now. Afterwards they came
26:40
Speaker 1: back and like a lot of Tom's sayings from the
26:42
Speaker 1: early era, came back and appreciated who he was and
26:45
Speaker 1: what he meant. Um. But that style is there's only
26:49
Speaker 1: one way. It's edgy. Uh, you're going to do it
26:52
Speaker 1: his way. Remember his two championship seems in New York
26:55
Speaker 1: were not the division winners. They weren't the best teams.
26:58
Speaker 1: They were wild card teams. That one the first one
27:00
Speaker 1: went on the road and one day beat Bread far
27:02
Speaker 1: in the frigid cold in Green Bay. I mean, it's
27:05
Speaker 1: they did things because, as you're right to point out,
27:08
Speaker 1: because of the way that he coached. But I think
27:10
Speaker 1: Reggie made a good point. When you're winning, it's endearing, yea,
27:15
Speaker 1: and you can put up with it and it's quirky
27:17
Speaker 1: it's fun when you're losing. It doesn't work. It doesn't work.
27:21
Speaker 1: I mean, like we all thought that he was He's
27:24
Speaker 1: going to get lego at the end of season. I
27:26
Speaker 1: just think the nfl p A just brought it up
27:28
Speaker 1: a few days. That's it. It's not that surprising. Someone
27:32
Speaker 1: was going. Someone's gone, right, So I'm going to be us. No, No,
27:36
Speaker 1: they will see. We'll see if there are more that
27:39
Speaker 1: are going or if they stay. That's the big question.
27:41
Speaker 1: I mean, do they do they let it all sit
27:43
Speaker 1: on time or do they are they gonna you know,
27:45
Speaker 1: is that knife gonna keep cutting? We shall see, all right,
27:49
Speaker 1: when we come back, we go around the locker room.
27:51
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27:54
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Speaker 1: and we go around the locker room from yesterday. It
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30:20
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30:23
Speaker 1: not know about the Tom Coughlin news yesterday in the
30:25
Speaker 1: locker room, but we did speak to Doug Moron earlier
30:28
Speaker 1: in the morning. He was asked about the grievances and
30:29
Speaker 1: he said, for the next two weeks. I really can't
30:31
Speaker 1: focus on that right now. Things happen at the end
30:35
Speaker 1: and I have time to look into it and find it. Shoot,
30:38
Speaker 1: you guys know, I'll stand up here, I'll answer all
30:40
Speaker 1: your questions on it. But right now that that that's
30:42
Speaker 1: not my focus. I'm trying to save, save, save everyone,
30:49
Speaker 1: you know, the players on the coaches one of Dug
30:53
Speaker 1: Maron's most honest, revealing, best press confidence I thought he's
30:57
Speaker 1: had this entire season. I mean, he was putting a
31:00
Speaker 1: very very difficult spot talking about these NFL PA news
31:03
Speaker 1: when really he didn't have a lot to do with
31:05
Speaker 1: it and had to answer every single one of those questions. Honestly,
31:08
Speaker 1: I thought he was terrific. I'm sorry. When you stay
31:13
Speaker 1: true to yourself, it's easier to handle those situations. And Doug,
31:19
Speaker 1: since he got here, I don't know how he was
31:21
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, but since he got here he has tried
31:24
Speaker 1: to be as open and as honest and revealing without
31:27
Speaker 1: being too sappy. But he hasn't tried to hide what's
31:30
Speaker 1: going on who he is. And sometimes fans get sick
31:32
Speaker 1: of it because he'll always sort of preface it by
31:34
Speaker 1: saying the same things, and I can't speak to that,
31:36
Speaker 1: you know, but he is who he is, and he
31:40
Speaker 1: was as honest as he could be yesterday. I think
31:42
Speaker 1: he is for the most part, and it served him
31:44
Speaker 1: well yesterday. I think he's a good NFL football coach.
31:47
Speaker 1: I hope he's here. I think he's done a good
31:50
Speaker 1: job handling a lot of weirdness this year, and I
31:53
Speaker 1: thought he did a great job yesterday. Reggie, Yeah, I agree.
31:56
Speaker 1: I mean, when you gotta handle weirdness is not played football,
31:59
Speaker 1: that puts a on your job. I mean, right there,
32:01
Speaker 1: you can see he was much more relaxed, like, Okay,
32:04
Speaker 1: you know, I understand that. You know, this man lost
32:06
Speaker 1: his job and that's terrible, but let's focus on football.
32:09
Speaker 1: You know, I have some more games to win, and
32:11
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to build something special here and I'm
32:13
Speaker 1: not gonna get sidetrack with a story of today that's
32:16
Speaker 1: not going to be the story next week. And further,
32:19
Speaker 1: we need to win some games. I need to, you know,
32:21
Speaker 1: get these kids to understand that I'm trying to be
32:24
Speaker 1: here with them and let's do this and let's worry
32:26
Speaker 1: about that other stuff later. We can talk about that
32:28
Speaker 1: in the off season. Well, and in the telling comment
32:31
Speaker 1: there's I'm trying to save coaches and players, right. He
32:34
Speaker 1: talked about protecting players, how he felt like his role
32:38
Speaker 1: was to protect his team. I think you saw what
32:41
Speaker 1: it means to him. Yeah, And he's not talking about
32:43
Speaker 1: coaching him, He's talking about everyone under him. He gets
32:47
Speaker 1: he I mean, he was gonna He's made a lot
32:49
Speaker 1: of money. He's financially said, he didn't have to worry,
32:51
Speaker 1: but there are people around him that he feels very
32:54
Speaker 1: responsible for, which good coaches always to do. As an
32:57
Speaker 1: ex player, he feels responsible for the kids too. He
32:59
Speaker 1: knows he can't keep all of them, but the kids, say,
33:03
Speaker 1: the kids that are playing for him, he feels responsible
33:06
Speaker 1: to give him the best shot to be here to succeed.
33:10
Speaker 1: That was sincere Dug Moron, would you use you what
33:11
Speaker 1: we say? And I think one of the other things
33:13
Speaker 1: that came from his press conference was what a difficult
33:16
Speaker 1: situation he was in. Uh. He's not in charge of
33:19
Speaker 1: the roster. Tom had all the personnel say uh, in
33:24
Speaker 1: terms of anything that had anything to do with football.
33:26
Speaker 1: He he didn't have that kind of control. So for him,
33:31
Speaker 1: he wasn't finding players, he wasn't choosing the roster. He
33:34
Speaker 1: always stood up and tried his best. You know, he
33:37
Speaker 1: was the only one that talked about Jalen Ramsey when
33:39
Speaker 1: that whole thing went down, and he handled that. And
33:42
Speaker 1: and then yesterday he has to come out and talk
33:44
Speaker 1: about the nflp A and he wasn't even the one
33:46
Speaker 1: finding players. I thought he handled it with grace. I
33:48
Speaker 1: thought he explained himself in his situation. And the part
33:52
Speaker 1: that hit me, and the part that I'm always most
33:54
Speaker 1: sensitive to at this time of the year, is fire
33:57
Speaker 1: all the coaches, Fire all the right because we got
34:00
Speaker 1: to we get to know these guys and their families.
34:02
Speaker 1: And he said, genuinely, you could see it in his eyes.
34:05
Speaker 1: I'm trying to save everybody. And I felt good for you.
34:08
Speaker 1: Keep going. Yeah. And I was talking to a few
34:11
Speaker 1: of my family members way back and Thanksgiving, and I
34:13
Speaker 1: think the impression is when you say fire everyone, you think, oh,
34:16
Speaker 1: just the head coach, but you don't realize when you
34:19
Speaker 1: say that, it's even more so. It's equipment in training,
34:23
Speaker 1: in football ops and all these roles that go into
34:25
Speaker 1: building a football team. It's so many jobs. And I
34:28
Speaker 1: think it's almost endearing when you say just fire the
34:31
Speaker 1: head coach. You don't understand how many jobs are affected
34:33
Speaker 1: by that, not at all. Yeah, all right, so let's
34:36
Speaker 1: go back to the locker room. There were kind of
34:38
Speaker 1: two sides of the locker room yesterday. They were guys,
34:40
Speaker 1: everyone was honest, But there were two sides of the
34:42
Speaker 1: nfl p A discussion. Some guys were very honest saying
34:44
Speaker 1: they didn't agree with it, and some guys said, like
34:47
Speaker 1: a j can if you follow the rules, you're good.
34:51
Speaker 1: Let stay out of tribal we won't get fine. I
34:53
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. You wanna get fine. Uh
34:55
Speaker 1: I don't think I've been fine that I've been here,
34:57
Speaker 1: but uh I haven't had a power way anything government.
35:01
Speaker 1: Sho had a similar message in his press conference, saying,
35:04
Speaker 1: I'm very tight with money. I'm not going to do
35:06
Speaker 1: anything that gets even close to the line because I'm
35:08
Speaker 1: not giving anyone my money. Yeah, well, you know you're
35:14
Speaker 1: a gentleman. Here's the thing. I mean, the things that
35:17
Speaker 1: they were fined over, like, are those really findable offenses?
35:21
Speaker 1: And that's that's why we that's why you have to
35:23
Speaker 1: according to the nfl p A exactly. So now you're saying, like,
35:26
Speaker 1: follow the rules. Well, I don't have to follow up
35:29
Speaker 1: made up rules. These rules were made up, so and
35:32
Speaker 1: the amount of money that he found them, that's that's
35:35
Speaker 1: the learning That one is alarming. Yeah, that's alarming. That's
35:38
Speaker 1: a that's a huge chunk of money for But we
35:40
Speaker 1: all recall that game and what a bad look that for.
35:44
Speaker 1: But we all all show new because the fighting Buffalo
35:47
Speaker 1: had triggered the ability for them to take away the
35:50
Speaker 1: guarantee on his remaining money, and we all knew that
35:54
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. So then why finding on top I mean,
35:57
Speaker 1: she that comes off is vindictive and and at is
36:00
Speaker 1: that look where all of a sudden, if I'm if
36:02
Speaker 1: I'm shot, I have to say, all right, I gotta
36:04
Speaker 1: do this right now because I can't have that become
36:07
Speaker 1: the story tomorrow man, that I've got to get in
36:09
Speaker 1: front of this one right there, and that I think
36:11
Speaker 1: that that explains the conversation of why players don't show
36:15
Speaker 1: loyalty to the organization that drafts them. And then you know,
36:18
Speaker 1: fans are starting to understand that why has he leaving?
36:21
Speaker 1: We were good to know You're starting to see that
36:24
Speaker 1: ugly background where players like, look, I have to take
36:26
Speaker 1: care of my family. I had to do what's best
36:28
Speaker 1: for me. Now, the fans are really getting the dose up. Okay,
36:31
Speaker 1: I see where the players are coming from, and this
36:33
Speaker 1: is why they leave certain organizations. All right. So let's
36:36
Speaker 1: wrap it up with Klais Campbell. He is the player
36:38
Speaker 1: rep for the Jaguars. Whenever questions with player Association finds,
36:42
Speaker 1: players go to Klais Campbell. So we definitely had to
36:44
Speaker 1: hear from him on this. He knows it's a problem
36:47
Speaker 1: all too well here in Jacksonville. I think the big
36:51
Speaker 1: things is is that you know, the young are supposed
36:53
Speaker 1: to protect the players and make sure the guys are
36:56
Speaker 1: you know, you know, just looked after and have a
36:59
Speaker 1: place where you can you know, has some security and
37:01
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, getting the money back
37:03
Speaker 1: and making sure you know, you know, the player is representative.
37:07
Speaker 1: That's the that's the ideal go. You know. But for me,
37:09
Speaker 1: I had a great time. You know, jack supp has
37:11
Speaker 1: been a great place for me, great experience here, you know,
37:14
Speaker 1: with the organization, you know, the front office, you know,
37:16
Speaker 1: the coach of staff. For me, it's been a great
37:17
Speaker 1: run for me. And also you know, I'm definitely happy
37:20
Speaker 1: to be here. See to me, that's news. By the way,
37:23
Speaker 1: it's news when the NFL p A rep says I
37:28
Speaker 1: have a problem. Now he knows because he sees all
37:32
Speaker 1: these things. But when the rep stands up for the franchise,
37:35
Speaker 1: that's you're like, WHOA, okay, Well, guys who are here
37:39
Speaker 1: all off season typically I haven't had a problem. And
37:43
Speaker 1: there are guys who choose to stay intact, and that
37:50
Speaker 1: is the kind of person most teams, But the rules
37:53
Speaker 1: say that you don't have to be that guy. And
37:56
Speaker 1: the for Net stuff, Um, I understand. And why Tom
38:01
Speaker 1: find him after that, Uh, it was a terrible look
38:05
Speaker 1: and I think it was conduct detrimental the way he
38:07
Speaker 1: was behaving on the sidelines. If you remember, you know,
38:12
Speaker 1: at the time when that happened, very few fans would
38:15
Speaker 1: have said, yeah, Tom's wrong for finding him for that,
38:18
Speaker 1: because it was. But as an executive, you sort of
38:20
Speaker 1: have to know what we're talking about, how it looks
38:22
Speaker 1: right now, and you're already taking away the guaranteed money
38:25
Speaker 1: million dollars. But look, this is over that incident, and
38:28
Speaker 1: it was a pretty bad look and for Net had
38:32
Speaker 1: had over and over again, really bad. I guess I
38:37
Speaker 1: understand the instinct but as an executive, you have to know. Okay,
38:43
Speaker 1: I'm just being mad. Now I can't actually go ahead
38:46
Speaker 1: and find for this and as we have to have
38:48
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars, if you recall that that incident was bad,
38:54
Speaker 1: I haven't forgotten it, but I'm making it on the
38:55
Speaker 1: backside now where everything is a log on the fire.
38:59
Speaker 1: And and by the way, fines aren't made public unless
39:02
Speaker 1: players make me public. The team never says we find
39:04
Speaker 1: so and so this amount and so and so that amount.
39:07
Speaker 1: We would always hear about them because players would tell you,
39:10
Speaker 1: um privately, I don't know. I just know that it's uh,
39:17
Speaker 1: it's it's no surprise to any of us who have
39:19
Speaker 1: been around You have known Tom for any like the
39:21
Speaker 1: time that he wields the fine, because this was his army,
39:26
Speaker 1: in his in his mindset, and unlike the military, where
39:30
Speaker 1: if you disobey orders, you're going to jail. Uh, he
39:34
Speaker 1: was able to use their money as a weapon to
39:37
Speaker 1: keep them in line. But you can't do that anymore.
39:41
Speaker 1: You and I were having a conversation, and you think
39:43
Speaker 1: that the coach in Seattle has the right approach in
39:45
Speaker 1: today's NFL. Yeah, Well, I basically was basically talking about
39:49
Speaker 1: It's like Pete Carroll tries to have relationships with his
39:51
Speaker 1: players and honesty is the best relationship. Tony Dungey hit
39:56
Speaker 1: the same thing, like, I'm going to be honest with you.
39:59
Speaker 1: If you're not going to be here, I would let
40:01
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and and I'm not gonna find you
40:04
Speaker 1: and continue to try to control you with fear. I'm
40:07
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you and can and let you
40:09
Speaker 1: know that, Hey, um, you're helping this team, you're hurting
40:12
Speaker 1: this team. We're gonna let you go or we're gonna
40:14
Speaker 1: keep you instead of you walking around here on eggshells.
40:17
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm curious to see how much money Tom
40:21
Speaker 1: has a mass with fans and is is there a
40:24
Speaker 1: huge difference between him and other coaches or GM because
40:28
Speaker 1: you know, that's just me being curious. But I wouldn't
40:32
Speaker 1: want to be in a system where, if you know,
40:34
Speaker 1: my suit didn't live up to the you know, standard
40:38
Speaker 1: of the coach, I was gonna get fine. That's that's
40:41
Speaker 1: you don't want to be around that type of environment.
40:44
Speaker 1: No one wants that exactly. No one wants to just
40:47
Speaker 1: walk around wondering if they're gonna get fine for talking
40:50
Speaker 1: to someone in the hallway. That's not I should be
40:52
Speaker 1: focused on football and who I'm going up against and
40:54
Speaker 1: what you know I need to do to get the
40:56
Speaker 1: job done. Right, That's all. That's all I should be
40:58
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43:27
Speaker 1: a little bit so far. Today. It's Tom Coughlin's comments
43:30
Speaker 1: right after he was let go by the Jaguars, basically
43:33
Speaker 1: applauding his time here, saying he appreciates the time here,
43:37
Speaker 1: also noted there's still plenty of football left for me,
43:41
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, and you, Brian, you were saying that didn't
43:44
Speaker 1: happen the last time this happened, right, I mean, we
43:47
Speaker 1: all knew that Tom was going to go coach and
43:49
Speaker 1: that you know, there were a couple of jobs that
43:50
Speaker 1: he interviewed for UM. I don't know that that's the
43:52
Speaker 1: case now. Obviously he's seventy seventy three years of age.
43:56
Speaker 1: But the statement from him about UM being grateful to
44:01
Speaker 1: Mr Khan and proud of seventeen and supportive of the franchise.
44:05
Speaker 1: They did not. We We never heard any of that
44:07
Speaker 1: from him when he was let go in January two
44:10
Speaker 1: thousand and three. So to me and just me knowing
44:14
Speaker 1: him as I do, that was his I get it right,
44:18
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not going to leave angry and and
44:21
Speaker 1: distance myself from I mean, he's not gonna be here. Um,
44:25
Speaker 1: but he lives in Jacksonville, So I think that that
44:28
Speaker 1: was his way of saying that. Just my interpretation, Well,
44:31
Speaker 1: I'm glad for that because he's part of this community.
44:34
Speaker 1: And look, his name is going to go up on
44:35
Speaker 1: the wall. This team is pending three a f C
44:38
Speaker 1: Championship games in its twenty five years, and he was
44:41
Speaker 1: an instrumental party in all three. His name is going
44:44
Speaker 1: on the wall. There's no doubt. Yeah, he's He's in
44:49
Speaker 1: the blood of the team. He built this thing. If
44:52
Speaker 1: you don't look, if you want to hear some great stories,
44:54
Speaker 1: go to the UH Jaguars official podcast site and listen
44:58
Speaker 1: to the prospective series that I did this year for
45:01
Speaker 1: the anniversary and I I have a scam likely coming through.
45:04
Speaker 1: Hold on, go away. Um. He talks in great in
45:11
Speaker 1: great detail, in that podcast about the process from getting
45:15
Speaker 1: hired two, building the franchise, every person they had anything
45:21
Speaker 1: to do with football he hired right. Every process that
45:24
Speaker 1: was put in place for that early success he did
45:28
Speaker 1: so right. Now, everybody's angry at Tom. Right. I joked
45:32
Speaker 1: with someone today, choose the best restaurant in town? Right,
45:36
Speaker 1: And there's Friday night, no tables available. There's one table
45:40
Speaker 1: this night. And the CEO from g J. E. A.
45:43
Speaker 1: Errands On who was dismissed this week, and Tom walk In,
45:46
Speaker 1: who gets it right. I mean, there's a lot of
45:49
Speaker 1: anger in Jacksonville this week, and Tom is getting his
45:51
Speaker 1: share of it. But in time that anger will abate
45:55
Speaker 1: and his name will go on the wall and people
45:57
Speaker 1: will remember all the good things he did for this
45:59
Speaker 1: for Chris today, No way, no one wants to hear it.
46:02
Speaker 1: You can't expect that. However, it needs to be said, right,
46:06
Speaker 1: But that statement was just him being classic. No one
46:09
Speaker 1: said Tom isn't classy. I mean, if you know him,
46:13
Speaker 1: you know, if you know him, he's a he's a
46:15
Speaker 1: great human being and you know he got fired and
46:17
Speaker 1: he knows that's part of the business saying he takes
46:19
Speaker 1: that with class and he's going to move forward, and
46:22
Speaker 1: if he does anything with football, he wants to show that,
46:25
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm professional and I have a
46:28
Speaker 1: lot of class and you don't have to worry about
46:30
Speaker 1: that aspect. And I do think it's a little different
46:32
Speaker 1: because when he left the Giants it wasn't pretty, and
46:35
Speaker 1: when he left Jared's first time wasn't pretty. Statement like this,
46:39
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Brian. He's going to be in
46:41
Speaker 1: the community. He's going to be associated with this, the
46:45
Speaker 1: fabrick of this in Jacksonville, and I think I'm glad
46:48
Speaker 1: that he wants that. Yeah, one more quick story. If
46:53
Speaker 1: you go out this hallway and take a couple of rides,
46:55
Speaker 1: there's pictures former players and Tom is hanging there. And
46:58
Speaker 1: when things are really bad here in two thousand, two eleven,
47:03
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, I remember looking at going I miss him, right,
47:07
Speaker 1: I miss him, a big smile on his faces on
47:09
Speaker 1: the sidelines. And I think in time people will remember
47:11
Speaker 1: that side of Tom Coughlin more than they'll remember this
47:14
Speaker 1: little incident here. For everything that he meant. All right,
47:18
Speaker 1: we were all staying tuned for this. The next top tweet,
47:20
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's comments this week, he had two of them.
47:24
Speaker 1: Didn't say much. First one to try to tell y'all yesterday,
47:28
Speaker 1: eyes in a clothes, zipper over the mouth. Probably smart
47:32
Speaker 1: on Jalen's part to not say much at all. Is
47:34
Speaker 1: that saying nothing at all that really is yet? But
47:38
Speaker 1: at least he's not typing paragraphs. Yes, yeah, she hads
47:43
Speaker 1: a little light on him, gives him a little more
47:45
Speaker 1: um his respect. Um. I mean, the way that he
47:49
Speaker 1: handled things here was incredibly more less than desirable. But
47:54
Speaker 1: now at least you maybe understand what was driving him
47:57
Speaker 1: and you can see it from his perspective a little
47:59
Speaker 1: bit for like, yeah, that's fair. And now we go
48:02
Speaker 1: to Jeff Darlington's ESPN NFL reporter. He was here a
48:05
Speaker 1: good amount during the two thousand and seventeen playoff front
48:08
Speaker 1: and he went on Twitter and a couple of tweets,
48:10
Speaker 1: almost six tweets, saying how he believes Maron and Codwell
48:14
Speaker 1: should stay. He goes back to the two thousand seventeen
48:16
Speaker 1: season saying how it was such a great accomplishment for
48:19
Speaker 1: the two of them and basically staying to claim that
48:22
Speaker 1: those two need to be here. He also had a
48:27
Speaker 1: line in one of these tweets where he talked about
48:30
Speaker 1: that was when early days, when Mr Khan's presence his
48:36
Speaker 1: style was reflected more in the franchise. I thought it
48:39
Speaker 1: was interesting, Yeah, because he was here a good deal
48:42
Speaker 1: the two seventeen season. I think that letting Tom go
48:47
Speaker 1: it's it's a big enough hit to the organization where
48:50
Speaker 1: they can, you know, relax on the head coach and
48:53
Speaker 1: the gym and and see if they can do something.
48:56
Speaker 1: And if they give them two years, and if they
48:58
Speaker 1: don't do anything in those two years, then you know
49:00
Speaker 1: that maybe it's time for a change. But with with
49:03
Speaker 1: Tom being gone and they're saying he was super control
49:06
Speaker 1: and or what have you, let's see what you guys
49:08
Speaker 1: can do now that you don't have that roll block
49:11
Speaker 1: in a way. Do you think that if if this
49:14
Speaker 1: was a cloud, if and we've looked, I don't don't
49:17
Speaker 1: know what. You're just at a college a couple of years.
49:18
Speaker 1: This is the first place you've worked. But we've all
49:20
Speaker 1: probably worked in places with people bosses where just the culture,
49:25
Speaker 1: the atmosphere was less than desirable. Right, you didn't feel
49:28
Speaker 1: comfortable or you didn't feel like you could be your best.
49:31
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that's the case here. Um, but
49:35
Speaker 1: if if players felt that way and you take that away,
49:41
Speaker 1: reasonable to expect something on the field, to see something
49:43
Speaker 1: on the field, or is that beyond well this team
49:46
Speaker 1: play better. Um, we'll see, I mean that's I mean,
49:51
Speaker 1: Tom isn't the reason why everyone's playing poorly. Some people
49:54
Speaker 1: are just not good enough to play at this level.
49:56
Speaker 1: They need to, you know, maybe be in a different position.
49:59
Speaker 1: But we will see what Doug can do. And I'm
50:03
Speaker 1: thinking next year we will see what he can do
50:06
Speaker 1: with the people that he may have some some some
50:10
Speaker 1: say so on bringing in here and how he wants
50:12
Speaker 1: to control the personnel. And that's going to speak volumes
50:17
Speaker 1: to how well he knows what he's doing and how
50:20
Speaker 1: much influenced Tom had on on on the team. So
50:24
Speaker 1: we'll see, we will see a lot of questions still
50:27
Speaker 1: to be answered. That's yeah, yeah, shows all up until then.
50:32
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50:35
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50:38
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