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BONUS: The Realities Of The Buckeyes' Portal Class, Post-Spring · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: please enjoy this episode of the Buckeye Huddle primetime show
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  Speaker 1: with Juck. He has quickly become a favorite of mine.
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  Speaker 1: He has a look at the realities of the portal
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  Speaker 1: class for the Buckeyes following spring ball.
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  Speaker 2: It is showtime and welcome in Buckehutt of Prime Time.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate you so much for joining me at your Friend
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  Speaker 2: Juck And we are here every Monday and Thursday live
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  Speaker 2: at eight pm, except for today. It is Thursday. We
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  Speaker 2: are here, it is eight pm, but we are not live.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately we had a little hiccup. But we're still here,
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  Speaker 2: the chats still open, and we're still talking college football
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  Speaker 2: as we do. The other morning, I was on the
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  Speaker 2: Buck Nuts Morning five with my buddy Dave Biddle, and
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  Speaker 2: we kind of were running out of time, but we
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  Speaker 2: started talking about this transfer portal class and I was
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  Speaker 2: digging in a little bit more on it after we
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  Speaker 2: got off that show.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when we talk.
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  Speaker 2: About this transfer portal class that Ohio State brought in,
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  Speaker 2: as these names were rolling in and as they were
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  Speaker 2: signing this class, boy, after that first week where nothing
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  Speaker 2: came in and everybody was panicking, that was a time, right.
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  Speaker 2: We started seeing what they were doing and the type
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  Speaker 2: of guys they were going after, Guys in their final year,
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  Speaker 2: their money year, who had not been perfect throughout their career.
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  Speaker 2: These were guys that you know, you could kind of
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  Speaker 2: look and there would be a knock on each one
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  Speaker 2: of these guys. They weren't the most expensive guys. They
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  Speaker 2: weren't the primo guys. They were guys that were experienced,
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  Speaker 2: and they were guys that really wanted to be part
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  Speaker 2: of NFL finishing school at Ohio State, but to do so.
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  Speaker 2: And Ryan Day told us, Hey, he let us in
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  Speaker 2: on the conversation he had with James Smith. He said, look, James,
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  Speaker 2: if you're coming here to be a first rounder and
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff, all right, cool, this isn't the place
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  Speaker 2: for you. You got to come in and buy in
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  Speaker 2: to how we do things here, the family values, the culture,
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  Speaker 2: the brotherhood, and if you want to do that, then
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  Speaker 2: this is the home for you. And in every one
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  Speaker 2: of these cases, these guys took less money than they
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  Speaker 2: could have gotten somewhere else because they saw what they
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  Speaker 2: could do if they came and got developed at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: And as we just look at this past NFL draft,
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  Speaker 2: it really puts Ohio State in a unique situation here
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  Speaker 2: when we talk about these guys in their final year,
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  Speaker 2: their money year, looking to maximize their value before the
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  Speaker 2: NFL Draft, Ohio State certainly looks like the absolute best
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  Speaker 2: position for a guy like that. You know, when we
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  Speaker 2: project forward and look at the roster, it looks like
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State could go out and replicate what they did
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  Speaker 2: here with four to six transfers perfect for them every
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  Speaker 2: single year. They're the top destination for someone who has
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  Speaker 2: played three years of college football and wants to play
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  Speaker 2: their fourth and truly get developed in that final year.
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  Speaker 2: And in a lot of cases, these are very really
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  Speaker 2: like one or two kind of prospects. They're either highly
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  Speaker 2: ranked guys coming out of high school who have kind
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  Speaker 2: of underperformed or maybe had some injury issues at their
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  Speaker 2: earlier spot, or they're guys that have overperformed at lower
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  Speaker 2: level football. In either case, a lot of times you
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  Speaker 2: can make these guys a serious hit if you're a
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  Speaker 2: place like Ohio State and you can get the most
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  Speaker 2: out of them in that one final year. And we
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  Speaker 2: talked the other day about recruits coming out of high school.
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  Speaker 2: In my belief that as much as it's cool for
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  Speaker 2: us to talk about these NFL Draft results at the
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  Speaker 2: top tier prospect level, top tier high school prospects, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it means a whole lot to them when
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  Speaker 2: they look at the difference between in Ohio State and
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  Speaker 2: the number of draft picks they put out or a
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  Speaker 2: school that puts out a good amount of draft prospects.
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  Speaker 2: Either way, these top guys, and this is just the
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  Speaker 2: way these young dudes think. They think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. If they go to Louisville, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: to them, though there is that little extra selling point
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  Speaker 2: in the end, I don't think it really is moving
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  Speaker 2: the needle for a ton of the top tier guys.
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  Speaker 2: I think the guys were that really hits home for
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  Speaker 2: are the guys that we see like a Nick Lauder
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  Speaker 2: or a Jake Cook, a guy that's let's say they
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  Speaker 2: were out of state guys and they had you know,
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  Speaker 2: their biggest offers were Michigan State and Louisville type offers,
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  Speaker 2: and they could go take that money and start earlier,
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  Speaker 2: or they could go to Ohio State and feel like
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  Speaker 2: they have a much better chance at getting to the
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  Speaker 2: NFL that direction. I think it's guys like that that
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  Speaker 2: that NFL draft record matters a ton to, not so
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  Speaker 2: much to those top tier, top one hundred type guys
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  Speaker 2: coming out of high school. But I think the most
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  Speaker 2: it means too, Like the player that it means the
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  Speaker 2: most to are these guys that have been in college
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  Speaker 2: football for three years. These guys that have seen teammates
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  Speaker 2: get drafted maybe lower than they thought they should have.
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  Speaker 2: These guys that have seen guys come out of Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State or played against them, or seen or known other
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  Speaker 2: guys that have gone to Ohio State. Grand Day has
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  Speaker 2: talked about how many of these transfers were connections in
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  Speaker 2: one way or another to a program, tie to a
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Downs or to a guy that they knew from
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  Speaker 2: Earl Little New Brandon Innis, etc. Guys that they knew
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  Speaker 2: that could talk to them a little bit about the program.
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  Speaker 2: And this particular advantage that Ohio State has right here
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  Speaker 2: knowing that we this is something that they're now like
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  Speaker 2: embracing right. This is not something I ever thought they'd do.
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  Speaker 2: I never thought that we would see Ohio State in
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  Speaker 2: the transfer portal era be the type of program that
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  Speaker 2: would intentionally go after one year guys because what did
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  Speaker 2: they always want? The transfer to them was worth more
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  Speaker 2: if it was a guy that they could bring in
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  Speaker 2: that had a couple of years of eligibility, your igb's,
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  Speaker 2: your time alons. Those were the guys they wanted in
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  Speaker 2: the transfer portal, which was almost like an extension of recruiting.
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  Speaker 2: They're coming in for multiple years. You get to develop them.
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  Speaker 2: And now you look at this past class with guys
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  Speaker 2: like a James Smith final year, and we could just
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  Speaker 2: go down the list here. These guys all had a
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  Speaker 2: ding right, James Smith and Quay Rusaw come together. They're
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  Speaker 2: a pair, a codependent pair of buddies. Hey, I had
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  Speaker 2: a buddy I was going to join the Marines with.
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  Speaker 2: If he didn't do it, I wasn't going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to do it.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't do it either. But my point is.
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  Speaker 2: James Smith, coming out of high school five star certainly
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  Speaker 2: did not pan out the way he would have hoped.
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  Speaker 2: A five star should be off to the NFL Draft
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  Speaker 2: after three years playing at Alabama. That's the way that goes.
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  Speaker 2: And you could certainly say he's underachieved. He had a
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  Speaker 2: ton of penalties and he took some plays off. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of the knock on him. Kway Rusa often injured,
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  Speaker 2: kind of a funky positional fit, doesn't really do anything great,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a great athlete. Terry Moore out of Duke
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  Speaker 2: acl injury, also playing in the ACC. Not that it's
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  Speaker 2: terrible football but you are playing you know, seven of
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  Speaker 2: your nine well you got eight conference games. You're playing
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  Speaker 2: six of your eight conference games against generally a not
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  Speaker 2: very good team. But he also had quite a few
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  Speaker 2: miss tackles, so did Earl Little coming out of Florida
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  Speaker 2: State fifteen miss tackles. Ear A Little had also already
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  Speaker 2: been to two separate schools. I don't know how that's
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  Speaker 2: looked at anymore. I mean, I think originally two years
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  Speaker 2: ago we would have looked at that and like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 2: guys going to three schools and kind of frowned on him.
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  Speaker 2: I think we see that there's I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that really is something that's a deterrent anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Three.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, in this class four wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even when we talk about cam Calhoun, cam Calhoun school
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  Speaker 2: number four in four years and Ohio State still welcomed
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  Speaker 2: him in. So maybe that's not something that's seen as
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  Speaker 2: a knock anymore. But cam Calhoun undersize after a great
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  Speaker 2: year at Utah didn't play at all at Alabama last year.
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  Speaker 2: Christian Allegro Christian Aleegro little stiff in the hips, not
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  Speaker 2: great change of direction, but also lost quite a few
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  Speaker 2: snaps to freshman linebackers at Wisconsin last year. Devin McEwan
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  Speaker 2: little undersize for what Ohio State is looking for in
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  Speaker 2: a Z receiver. Andy comes from Uts, say Jacoby Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: This is a guy who's hardly played and is in
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  Speaker 2: his seventh year of college. Also has had a couple
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  Speaker 2: decent injuries. Kyle Parker five foot ten wide receiver, three
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  Speaker 2: hundred yard season is his best.
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  Speaker 3: That's not great.
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  Speaker 2: Mason Williams slower mac tight end not very big by
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  Speaker 2: the way, I did a tight end show earlier this
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  Speaker 2: morning on Juck on Books and the comparisons of will
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  Speaker 2: Chas Merrick to Mason Williams or natural, but they're not accurate.
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  Speaker 2: They're not very accurate on I'm gonna show you a
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  Speaker 2: picture of these tight ends and kind of just go
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  Speaker 2: down the line as you look at these guys together.
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  Speaker 2: Hunter Welson as well, another smallish tight end coming out
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  Speaker 2: of Northwestern year number seven for him, and a guy
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  Speaker 2: who didn't really play at all till year number seven.
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  Speaker 2: And then John Walker coming out of UCF, a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a different kind of guy who chose UCF
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  Speaker 2: over Ohio State before UCF was shelling out some big
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  Speaker 2: kind of money for him to stay home. There was
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of money involved, but it wasn't like
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  Speaker 2: it was now where to pull that off. To make
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  Speaker 2: that work. We're talking a huge payday. He really just
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  Speaker 2: chose UCF over Ohio State. And you know, he played
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  Speaker 2: pretty good. He played pretty good. Not the quickest guy,
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  Speaker 2: but it is still a little odd. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: he's over it now, right, but he's just a different
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  Speaker 2: kind of cat. Justin Martin, fifth year quarterback whatever, he's
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  Speaker 2: coming in as a as a third four string quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And then Connor Hawkins. Connor Hawkins pretty much the only
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  Speaker 2: guy that there was no knock on whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: Connor Hawkins.
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  Speaker 2: Every one of those other guys, you could look at
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  Speaker 2: him and say, all right, here's a subtle knock. Let's
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  Speaker 2: look at those titles, all right. So photo number one,
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  Speaker 2: because we had to go in two separate pictures. All
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  Speaker 2: the way on the left, you've got second year out
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  Speaker 2: of Ohio Brody Lennon. Next to him, you've got Hunter Welsing,
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  Speaker 2: the transfer from Northwestern, and you can see see the
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  Speaker 2: size difference between him and Brody Lennon. You can see
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  Speaker 2: Mason Williams. That's the transfer out of Ohio. Look at
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  Speaker 2: Mason Williams next to Bennett Christian. Those guys don't even
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  Speaker 2: look like they play the same position. And then you
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  Speaker 2: can see big Nate Roberts. Now Nate Roberts listed at
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  Speaker 2: six foot five, and so is Mason Williams. Sometimes you'll
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  Speaker 2: catch him listed at six'. Four that isn't one. Inch
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  Speaker 2: this is not one. Inch and this is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that kind of Surprised tony based off of those those
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  Speaker 2: heightened weight listings that we saw coming in when we
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  Speaker 2: went to practice and Saw Hunter wild, Singing Mason williams
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  Speaker 2: standing next To Bennett christian And Nate, roberts, like oh,
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  Speaker 2: okay this is not quite WHAT i thought it would.
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  Speaker 2: Be and then you look all the way to the
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  Speaker 2: right here in this next, picture and you can see
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  Speaker 2: true Freshman Nick, lauter who's a total dude in an
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  Speaker 2: absolute unit. Already look at, him, man and look at
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  Speaker 2: him compared to the. Transfers so how's this going to
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  Speaker 2: go this year in the tight end? Room how's this
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  Speaker 2: going to go in all, this all these, positions with
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  Speaker 2: these with these. Transfers did you come out of camp
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  Speaker 2: thinking any different about these guys than you did going.
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  Speaker 2: In WHEN i look At James, SMITH i, Thought, okay
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  Speaker 2: here's a guy who is brought in to be maybe
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  Speaker 2: like a one to two punch With Edric houston at Three.
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  Speaker 2: Tech and then he comes in instead of weighing three
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  Speaker 2: hundred pounds like you did At, alabama weighing three point
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  Speaker 2: fifteen At Ohio. State and Immediately tony AND i are talking,
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  Speaker 2: about is this guy now potentially going to play one
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  Speaker 2: tech next to An Edric houston at Three? Tech because
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  Speaker 2: that sounds like a really interesting. Pairing sure, enough they
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  Speaker 2: confirm that that is something they've been working, on but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times they work on things in the
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  Speaker 2: spring and it's, just you, know not really much to
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  Speaker 2: it at. All is that something we're going to? See
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  Speaker 2: BUT i can tell you the first time THAT i
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  Speaker 2: saw him at, PRACTICE i THINK i talked about this story,
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  Speaker 2: before just hitting the sled and the mechan is in
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  Speaker 2: the sled just made a totally different. Sound when he
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  Speaker 2: hit it was like a it was, LIKE i don't,
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  Speaker 2: know like a six hundred pound steel plate like swinging
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  Speaker 2: down on the. Thing and what that is is five.
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  Speaker 2: Star that's five star right. There that's the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: got him ranked a five. Star like that that intangible
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  Speaker 2: well it's very. Tangible, sorry that very tangible, Stuff that
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  Speaker 2: very tangible power in quickness and Explosion James smith possesses.
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  Speaker 2: It can't he convert that into the football. Field can
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  Speaker 2: he be a more calm down? Player we saw some.
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  Speaker 2: Outbursts the penalties were a big issue At. Alabama we
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  Speaker 2: saw some of that in the. Spring can he chill that?
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  Speaker 2: Out it looked really good in the spring, game certainly
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  Speaker 2: looked really good throughout, Spring And i'm very excited about,
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  Speaker 2: him much more so THAN i was coming. In then
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: you look At Quay. Rusau now a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: were very excited With Quay russa coming into this, thing
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  Speaker 2: thinking he was going to be the guy starting opposite
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  Speaker 2: At Kenyatta. Jackson AND i think a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: come out of this thing feeling just as confident about.
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  Speaker 2: That but maybe you got a little Bo atkinson sneaking in,
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  Speaker 2: there a Little Zion.
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  Speaker 3: Grady to, me he's out.
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  Speaker 2: Of, position playing like those guys on the defensive, End
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  Speaker 2: like he makes some plays for, sure and then he
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  Speaker 2: gets totally taken out of, plays whereas the other, guys
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  Speaker 2: well maybe they might not make as many, plays but
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  Speaker 2: they're not getting taken out of plays and giving you negative.
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  Speaker 2: Plays so for, ME i think that they could utilize
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  Speaker 2: them in a lot better ways to his skill. Set
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  Speaker 2: it's obviously Something Matt patricia is an expert, at AND
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  Speaker 2: i think they likely. Will we don't see a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that in, Spring so that's my. Thought ear a little,
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  Speaker 2: junior ear a little. JUNIOR i think we all, thought,
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  Speaker 2: okay this guy comes. Well matter of, fact he was
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: the first safety, signed, right so you sign him, first
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  Speaker 2: and to me, like, oh that's your big name safety coming.
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  Speaker 2: In not so sure about. That and then they sign
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  Speaker 2: On Terry moore And i'm, like, ah, okay there's the
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  Speaker 2: big name safety And Earl little you can slot him
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  Speaker 2: at Nickel Terry. Moore he's gonna play free. Safety and
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  Speaker 2: there you, go, right you're all squared. Away and Then
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  Speaker 2: Terry moore coming off HIS acl does not look like
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  Speaker 2: The Terry moore of. Old things aren't going great in the,
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  Speaker 2: beginning sat out a whole. Year that's going, to you,
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  Speaker 2: know contribute to a lot of. RUST i didn't put
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  Speaker 2: enough stock into, it at least not as much AS i,
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  Speaker 2: should because it did take him some time and towards
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: the end Of spring things started looking. Better but he's
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: in a real scrap With Leroy roker over.
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  Speaker 3: SNAPS i.
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  Speaker 2: Think, nonetheless you got four dudes there that are ready to,
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  Speaker 2: go and that's. Great Earl little maybe the guy that
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  Speaker 2: popped the most out of the Entire, spring WHICH i
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  Speaker 2: guess is a surprise in the fact that he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be that good of a. Player but a
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  Speaker 2: guy that's really intense and can take people's heads off
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  Speaker 2: and plays with that kind of, attitude that's a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's going to stand. Out AND i didn't really factor
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  Speaker 2: that in WHICH i should. HAVE i totally miss. That
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  Speaker 2: he is that kind of. Guy he's always been that
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  Speaker 2: kind of guy At. Nickel The Florida state, fans The
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  Speaker 2: Florida state beat writers say when he Played nickel At
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Florida state it was not. Good he was much better
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  Speaker 2: playing strong. Safety so do we see these guys kind
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  Speaker 2: of move all. Around they all have the ability, to
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  Speaker 2: and that's, great that's a great. Fit so either way
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  Speaker 2: we'll see a lot Of. Earl we'll see i'd say
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  Speaker 2: almost as much As. Terry but Maybe leroy really is
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  Speaker 2: that kind of. Dude i'm not sure we haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: enough Of leroy to say Cam, calhoun this guy was
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  Speaker 2: brought into be your number three or four. Corner he
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  Speaker 2: probably exits spring as your. Four then you Got Dominic.
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  Speaker 2: Kelly Dominic kelly was a, guy the only guy in
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  Speaker 2: this class who was brought in with several years of,
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  Speaker 2: eligibility kind of like an extension of the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: five recruiting. Class AND i was just kind of putting
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  Speaker 2: in my, Mind, okay he is the class With Devin,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Sanchez Dominic, Kelly Devin. Sanchez, wow that's a hell of a.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Class and Dominic kelly advanced Like Devin, sanchez looks like
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: he may force a three man, rotation which might be
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the biggest surprise out of all these. Guys Jacoby jackson
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: at running back coming, IN i, thought all, right that's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a dude with some juice can make you miss in small.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Spaces be your number three running, back could potentially contest
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: for the second most carries in that, room and if
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: there's an injury at number one or number, two he
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: can fill in in a way THAT i don't think
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you miss a whole, lot BECAUSE i think he's got some,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: really really good juice to him and just as an,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: actor run the. Ball SO i was very happy About Jacobe,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: jackson AND i feel coming out Of spring just as
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: good about. Him Un Welsing Mason. Williams, look tight ends
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: are going to be a big part of this, offense
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: AND i don't know what we're gonna get out of these.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: GUYS i don't think we've seen enough to have any
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: kind of definitive opinions when we talk about all these.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: TRANSFERS i think we probably heard the littlest about any
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: one of these. GUYS i don't want to SAY i
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: didn't have the opportunity to see a lot at, practice
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: but you can only focus on so. Much AND i
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: wasn't focusing on tight ends when we were in the,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: building but that one going to be really. Interesting, Clearly
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: nate Roberts is are far and away number. One Christian
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: aleegro going to be in our, OPINION i think coming
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: in starting linebacker next To Peyton, pierce one of your
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: top three for, sure AND i think it definitely looks that,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: way and he's had a pretty good. SPRING i think
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: THAT i feel better about him now THAN i did
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: when we were coming. In devin McEwan thought coming in
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: starting ze and it certainly looks like he's pretty much
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: got that position locked. Down and Then Kyle parker your
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: number four wide, receiver whether that be, OUTSIDE i thought
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: it would be, inside AND i was hoping that we
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: could potentially see him contest for number one reps in
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the slot Against Brandon. Innis don't think that's, happening as
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: he has spent the majority of the spring outside AT.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Z but now that we have Entered Brock boyd And
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Chris Henry junior into the, conversation how does this all play?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Out Can Kyle parker be a guy that holds those two?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Back it's a guy with more, experience but he's not
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: as good like that's just the flat. Out he's not
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: as good of a receiving prospect as either one of.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Them can he hold them? BACK i don't. KNOW i
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: really like. HIM i think he adds a. LOT i
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: don't know that we can say for sure he adds
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a ton in the blocking, game BUT i have heard
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: some people say THAT i haven't seen that on his,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: film show up. Anywhere he's a rocked up. Dude he's
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: a little, shorter can get some leverage something we'll have to.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: See but for him to hold them, off he's going
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to be need to be really good at, That like
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: it's got to be. Exceptional he's got to help in
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the run game with his blocking and everything. Else but
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: when you look at, Look i've already got A Brandon.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Innisman i've got a guy who tries hard and blocks.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Hard LIKE i don't need two of. THEM i need
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of playmakers out. There if you're going to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: give me one guy who's not a dynamic playmaker but
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: can do all those other little. Things so that's kind
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: of WHERE i stand on. Him has anything changed in
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: your opinion from all those guys from the time they
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: signed to coming out of the. Spring when we look
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: at the defensive, Line James SMITH i think is going
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to play a lot of, no's AND i think that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: him And edrick playing together is going to be a
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: very dynamic. Duo But i'm also really looking forward to
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Seeing Will Smith junior playing with Either edric Or James,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: smith BECAUSE i think that'll be a very dynamic. DUO
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: i don't feel as good About John walker AS i,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: did but, nonetheless when we look at that four in,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: TOTALITY i feel pretty dog. One good about the unit for,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Me Kenyanta jackson and Bo atkinson looks like your ONE
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: a in ONE b at edge and Then Zion, Grady
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: quayru Saw Episitani Le Carr wilder by the, way name
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: is Pronounced Carrie, wilder Not Carrie, wilder Which i've been
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: hearing a lot. Lately as far as the number four
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: defensive tackle, currently That's Jason, moore the best, Freshman Damari,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: simme And Emmanuel ruffins so, FAR i got my money
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: On Damurray simeon being the one who ends up elevating
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: in that spot there at wide, Receiver Jeremiah, Smith Brandon,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Iss devin, McEwan Kyle parker in that four, hole just
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: like we. Thought secondary we, discussed but as we look at,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: IT i just love to see it like. This Jermaine,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Matthews Dom, Kelly jaylen, McClain Terry, moore Or Leroy, Roker
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Earl Little junior And Devin. Sanchez that is one heck
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of a squad of. Dudes then you Got Cam, Calhoun Jordan,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Thomas Jay, Timmins Blaine. Bradford this secondary is, elite. BUDDY i,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: MEAN i put this up against anybody in the. Country
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and when we look at the defensive, line maybe taking
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a step back a little, bit when we look at
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the linebacker, room certainly taking a step back a little.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Bit it sure feels good to look at the secondary
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and see all these dogs everywhere tight, Ends Nate, Roberts Hunter,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Welsing Mason, Williams, Bennett. Christian coming out of twenty twenty,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: FOUR i thought we were gonna see take a nice
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: big step forward in twenty twenty. FIVE i was pretty
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: big on him coming into the, year and it wasn't.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Good it wasn't. Good it was one of the worst
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: seasons of Any buckuy that played over two hundred STAPs
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: on the. Team we need to see a big step
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: forward out of, him and the regulators we got Tj,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Alford Christian, Allegro Peyton. Pierce not Seeing Riley pettijohn really
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a hindrance and trying to project here.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Forward but WHAT.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think About Riley pettijohn is he's an absolute, dude
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and whether he missed spring or, not not factoring not
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: factoring him in would be a big. Mistake this guy's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: going to play a whole lot this, year AND i
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: think he's going to be so good that whether or
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: not you Got Christian. ALLEGRO i was perfectly happy rolling
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: into this season WITH Tj, Alfred, Riley, Pettijohn Peyton pierce
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and Having Sincere johnson come in as a. FRESHMAN i
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: felt very comfortable with. That but when we talk about running,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: BACK i did want to do something the other. Day
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: SO i was looking AT i was thinking about this
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: running back, room AND i was thinking, About, okay we
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: had so many years in the running back room where
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you Had Treveon. Henderson four years he was in that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: running back room contributing in some capacity throughout four separate.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Years who is the second best back in each one
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: of those? Rooms and if we look at this running
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: back room, now a lot of times that second back
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: wasn't so good With. Trey we look at these, GUYS
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: i think you've got three backs right here in this
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: running back, room potentially.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Four that's, like.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: In, totality this running back room is one of the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: best you've had in a long. Time you don't have
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that super duper home run hitter that you had With
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: trey Unless legend can maybe be that. Dude but it's
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: just a different kind of back it's a different kind of.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Player but when we look at yards per carry in
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: their careers and the guys that have rushed the ball
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: At Ohio state in twenty twenty, one twenty, two twenty,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: three twenty, four and twenty, Five Treyvon henderson at the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: top with six point four yards per. Carry Bo jackson
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: is number two six point one yards per. Carry what
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: if if we do see bow make the next step
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and start to break more of those tackles at the second,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: LEVEL i mean six point one after his freshman year
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: is just. Tremendous Mayan williams with the career six point,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: zero WHICH i think would make people's jaws. Drop Master
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: tigue at number four five point five yards per Carry
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Isaiah west five point. Three now this went down a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: little bit as the season went. ON i expect this
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to be up considerably in year number two For Isaiah
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: chip five point, three but his one year At Ohio
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: state was four point. Four Dallan hayden five point, one
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: tied for dead last With Quinn Shawn, judkins who nobody
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: wants to. Remember halfway through the season When Quinn shawn
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was At Ohio, state people were, saying, yeah boy WAS
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: i wrong saying that he was going to be the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: best back on the. Team but now little revisionist history
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: because he finished off the season. Strong The Quinn shawn
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: first half of the season At Ohio state was not very.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: GOOD a couple Of Western. Michigan it was a good
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: game for. Him there a good game Against, western but,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: yeah that first half things were not. Great things weren't
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: great With Quinn sean at any. RATE i love the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: situation That Ohio states in right, now with the ability
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: now to be the number one transfer destination for these
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: money year guys and they can be real calculated and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the guys they, pick it's got to be, perfect got
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: to be a perfect, fit got to be a guy
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that wants to come in and totally buy, in or
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: else they're not. WELCOME i think it makes. You it
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: gives you the ability to be so much stronger year
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: in and year. Out even though when this transfer portal
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: stuff first came along and we would see schools do,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: THAT i would just look at them and just see
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: with the, anger LIKE i hate you. People how could
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you ever think that you could build a team bring
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it in these one and done, guys and now HERE i. Am,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: yeah man that that could be a pretty pretty good
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: strategy to pick off about five or six of these type.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Guys every, Year but it feels different when it's our.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Team Kirby smart has a little sound bite out, today
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: AND i want to play you this sound bite and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: just kind of rant a little bit on what he
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: had to, say because he is just clearly reeling having
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: a hard time trying to figure out just what it
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: is that has made The Big ten so much.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Better, coach you're not gonna like my, Theory i'll go
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: ahead tell, you, OKAY i like all.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: THEORIES i think.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Back in the day when he is so setting you
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: up to cut you, out it was just what he's
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: going to bring, up the pay and paying the. Players
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: everybody was paying. Players i'm not saying like Only alabama
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: was an one With georgia was everybody was paying.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Players BUT i.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Think everybody was not paying. PLAYERS i don't think he
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: means everybody was playing paying, players BUT i think he
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: means all of the contending, teams which is simply not.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: True there are a lot of teams in The north
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that would pay. Players, uh it was not an institution
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: like it was in THE, sec and everybody knows, that
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and that's. Fine it's, whatever, Man can we just be
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: straight about? It though everybody was not paying, players.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: There was almost a handshake, Agreement Like alabama And, auburn
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: to a certain, extent we're gonna let it go on
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: because the knew each other were doing. It but, like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: guy they were't gonna Let Ohio state come down here
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: and get a. Player Or georgia And florida they knew
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: battling Over South. Georgia, look we're both cheating a little,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: bit but we're not gonna Let michigan come get a. Player,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: well now it's a free.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Game.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Plity is that a bad? THEORY i don't. KNOW i
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: can't figure out what it. IS i just think they
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: have a more competitive. Conference like the top of their.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Conference there's more good. Teams it used to Be High
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: state was. Good, yeah you, know we, Look michigan was really.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Good harbor had a great. Team indiana's. Good like now
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: they Got, oregon they got a. Drawl they have the
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: ability to attract good players going. Now N il has
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: a factor. Too, yeah, sure but so Does. MIAMI i
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: mean so Does. FLORIDA i mean people have. Money more
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: people have, money, right SO i think the talent is
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: spread out, then where before.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: In THE sec it was a magnet to.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Talent that's disparity was so great that it's like you
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: couldn't mess it, up you'd win. Regardless and now it's, like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: okay it's more, even and it's just been three in a.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Row but it's, Crazy like when you were over here
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: as a defensive, coordinator you would not have taken The
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: indiana job under any.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Circumstances probably.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Not there is no way they would applied you away From.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Tuscaloosa you were waiting for a better job than.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: THAT i agree with, that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: And, no of course.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Not it was losing his program in the history of college,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: football pre nil pre transfer, portal there was no way
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that was ever going to change. Ever AND i mean
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you can Say, indiana you can THROW i don't know
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: eighty programs in. There Kirby, smart the hottest defensive coordinator
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: in the. Country Nick saban's, protege would not have looked
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: at so many jobs that didn't have a chance to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: win a national championship because back then there were only
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a handful twenty teams with the potential to win a national.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Championship twenty that's it that was the. Cutoff and now
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing With Texas, tech for, instance if you
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: can get a big infusion of, money keep your quarterback,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: eligible you could potentially win a national. Championship so of
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: course he wouldn't have taken The Indiana Jobal championship.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Program so it just shows you how quickly things can
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: change in this.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Place that's, true that's changed, quickly but that doesn't explain
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: why The Big, NO i agree with, you that doesn't
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: explain why The big ten has been able to do.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: That and that's just you, KNOW i have so much
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: respect for. Him i'm, like really better coaches than, us are?
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: They that's what all our, Coaches.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: So they're, LIKE i Think Joe klatt says, that you,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: know like we, said you were going to need the
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: transfer portal and need the ability to pay the players,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: legally which you, know there were a lot of programs
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in The Big ten that were never paying. Players so
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: once that was legal and once you had the transfer,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: portal now they can start investing in the. Players and
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: now they're looking and, saying, okay we have a realistic
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: possibility now to potentially be. Good and then the big
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: part came in is how much are we going to
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: invest in trying to be good because we can actually do.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It and we saw The Big ten, programs many of
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: them open up their budget for what they were going
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: to pay, coaches which The Big ten a lot of
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the programs were notoriously. Frugal this is Why Brett, beelman
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: who's now coaching In, illinois Left, wisconsin a plumb job
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: that he, loved taking over For Barry, alvarez competing in
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: The Big ten year in and year, out and he
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: left that job For arkansas because at the, Time wisconsin
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: would not pay his assistant coaches and he kept losing.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Them he, said forget, It i'm done with you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Guys it was like that all over The Big. Ten
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like that in THE. Sec so once they see,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: okay we've got an opportunity, here a window is. Open
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: now the coaching pools open as. Well now they're invested in,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: coaching they're invested in bringing in, players and we saw
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: them fighting this battle with lesser talent getting better but lesser.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: TALENT i think The Big ten coaching as a whole
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: has gotten better because they had to do it the hard.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Way AND i think that now when we look at
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the head coaches throughout The Big ten in THE, sec
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: not just the head coaches that have been, there but
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: even the new hires this past.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Year they're taking less talent in theory and doing more with.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: It.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Now the other theory is and this one nobody likes to,
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: hear is?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: It this is the one nobody likes to.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Hear this is the ONE i talked about last week
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: because my Buddy Josh pate brought it up on his
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: show and he was talking about the talent composite and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: he brought up Who Mississippi state and he, Said Mississippi
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: state in the talent composite would be the number five
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: program in The Big.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Ten which was a little.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: OFF i think it would have been seventh or, eighth
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: but his point, stands and the point, was this is
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the cellar, dweller the punching bag of THE. Sec and
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: when you just look at, talent they would be as
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: talented as so many teams in The Big.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Ten and what's that.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Mean it means when that is your lowest, team everybody
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: else is going to be above. Them you are running
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: through physical games over and over and over. Again every
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: single one of your conference games that are getting your
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: starters beat, up and by the, end when you get
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to the, playoffs you're down more, men are more ganged.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Up it's just a, grind and it's a grind that
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: The big ten does not have to deal. With And
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: kirby goes on to make the same. Point, Ironically Mississippi
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: state gets brought up. Again apparently the team of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: month does.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: He coaches say this in my, meetings they say they
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: don't have the grind we.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Do there's no. Way they play three of their nine
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: games are.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Hard their bottom four games are not our bottom four, games.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: All, Right their bottom four games are not our bottom four.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Games they play three games that are. HARD sec coaches say.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: This in our.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Meetings these dudes are sitting here talking about The big,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: ten AND i find that. Hysterical he just admitted that
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: they're sitting there stewing over what's going on?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Here why are they doing so much better than? Us
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: AND i think that is utterly.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Hilarious after you, know excluding the last couple of, years
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: fifteen years of these guys pounding their, chest THE sec
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: pounding their, chest and now it's come to. This they're
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: sitting In kirby's. Meetings remember he, SAID i said in
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: my meetings and listen to OTHER sec coaches talk about
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: they only play three tough. Games their bottom four games
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: aren't like. Ours and if we're talking seven years ago
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: before he added The West coast, teams before we saw
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: teams make an investment Like, illinois Like, Indiana.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: He's, right that's absolutely spot.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: On it is not that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Anymore it's just not.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Going to play At startfoll And vanderbilt's in my bottom
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: four AND i would hold it on to my.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: But Kirby smart is going To Mississippi state And vanderbilt
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: and holding onto his.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Butt that's what he just. Said, coach something's. Wrong if
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that's the, Case.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Bill to play at noon On saturday At startfoy and
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: playing a good team who Beat Arizona, state who goes
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: and plays these other. Teams so there is a theory
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: that we're beating each other up and it's like the
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: intensity and it wears you.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Down Arizona state of The big, twelve what Was Arizona
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: state's record this, year, guys let's See Arizona. State Arizona
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: state was eight and. Five two of those wins were
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Against North. Texas i'm, Sorry Texas state And Northern. Arizona
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: so really they won six games this. Year Arizona state,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: did but because it happened early in the season in
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the out of, conference and people Expected Arizona state was
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: going to be. Good kirby using that as some big
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: pat on the back Because Mississippi state Beat Arizona state
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: by the way at.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Home it wasn't, that An, Ail, MARY i believe it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: WAS i, Mean texas And tennessee went to overtime In
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: startville this. Year texas is a pretty good team and
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: both they they both went to. Overtime texas Played tennessee And. Startville, no, NO
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: i followed. You, yeah so it would have been a
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: from when you were that's my. Point, no they're not saying,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: that and That's i'm not going to say who says
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: it all the, time but he's one of THE sec,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: coaches AND i don't want to use it as a cop,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: out but it's, like, dude they're not even having to
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: do their best. Plays they're not even stressed during the,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: week And i'm, like, Well i'm stressed no matter WHO i, play.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: All, right one of THE sec. Coaches i'm not gonna
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: say who it. Is i'm gonna say who it. Is
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It's Lane.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Kiffin we know who it. Is Lane.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Kiffin last, year, gosh what was it that he had
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a SoundBite that was just flipping unbelievable.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Teams having multiple losses in this. Conference and now he
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: kind of tricked me into.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: It it's, why it's.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Why it's just.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Different it's just totally different in these comparisons of other
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: conferences IN acc And big. TWELVE i, mean it's just
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: like it's you might as well be in different, leagues not,
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: conferences different, leagues you, know like here's THE, nfl here's THE,
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: sec here's those Few big ten, teams and then here's everybody.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Else so you're gonna see it in the, draft you,
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: know it'll be different like it always is with THE,
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: sec the amount of kids drafted out of here and.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: There AND i, Mean kirby's already said Someone kirby has
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: already said this offseason that winning AN sec championship is
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the hardest thing in.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: All the, sports all the, sports harder.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Than The national.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Championship, presumably, Right he said all the, sports and he
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't just talking about. Football he was talking about all
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of the sports in college. Athletics winning AN sec championship
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: is the hardest thing to.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Do there's a cop, out but it's, like, dude they're
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: not even having to do their best. Plays they're not
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: even stressed during the, Week And i'm, like, Well i'm
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: stressed no matter.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Who i'm, like that's just how it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Wired their players get a mental relief and then it's like, boom.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: They get to go to the playoffs and crank it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Up there are two sides to that. Coin we look
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: At Ohio state's schedule this, year it's the hardest schedule
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: in the. COUNTRY i pulled Up Ohio state schedule Versus texas.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Schedule we can do it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Again texas not as hard As Ohio, State it's right,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: there But Ohio state's schedule is. Harder it's the number
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: one most difficult. Schedule AND i love it as An
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Ohio state fan because last year the other side of the.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Coin this, Year Ohio state is going to end up
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: preseason rankings looking like they're playing the entire top half
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: of The big so the play in the top. Half
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: last year it worked out just the. Opposite they played
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: the bottom half of The Big ten essentially the whole.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Year what does that do to a?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Team, yes you don't have to run your best. Plays
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you can tinker all, year And Ohio state did never
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: really found their identity because they were putting about trying
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: a little, this a little of.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: That we don't want to win by too. Much we're
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: gonna save some.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Plays they could do whatever they, wanted and in the,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: END i think it's part of the reason that they
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: didn't capitalize on the opportunity in the. PLAYOFFS i, do
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: AND i don't think it's the first time we've seen
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: that out of An Ohio state. TEAM i think there
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: are several teams over The Jim tressel, era over The
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Urban meyer era that weren't ready come playoff times because
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: they had not played enough tough. Games that's no longer
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: an issue in The big. Ten Ohio state schedule last
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: year was an, outlier so is this upcoming. Year normally
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it's gonna fall somewhere in the, middle but The buckeye
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: schedule this year incredibly. DIFFICULT i think they'll be better
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: for it in the.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Playoffs not.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Worse but listening To kirby talk about this kind of
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: proves the whole point.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Here this is no longer But listening To.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Kirby talk about. This the way he's talking about this
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: proves the whole point. Here The big ten's just. Better
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you hear it in his, Voice, Man you hear the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: consternation five years, ago let's three years, ago After michigan
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: wins the first national, championship even After Ohio, state this
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: conversation comes.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Up kirby's, ah, whatever now not the.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Case there is, consternation there is, worry he's worried about.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: IT i love, it BUT i do Love kirby.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Anyhow bottom line, HERE i talked about This Mississippi state
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: thing the other.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Week is there validity to? This we know there used
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: to be no.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Doubt Any big ten fan or fan of A big
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: ten t who couldn't admit five years ago that an
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: eight game AVERAGE sec schedule was harder than a nine
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: game Average big ten schedule was fooling. Themselves it. Was
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: there were way more body, blows there were way more tough.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Games then we had expansion at the same time As
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: nio in the transfer. Portal so you bring In, OREGON
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: usc And, washington three more potential tough opponents on your,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: schedule and then you get this investment from a bunch
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: of programs who did not have the players who could
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: beat you. Before now they. Do and all that happened at,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: once and it flipped, overnight and now a nine game
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Average Big ten schedule is a very difficult.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Schedule On saturday at, start bully and plan a good
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: team who Beat Arizona, state who goes and plays these other.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Teams so there is a theory that we're beating each other.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Up and the THING i got a problem, with and
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: this was JP's, argument was talking about the talent compiled
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: In Mississippi state being twenty fifth and basically saying that's
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: going to give you many more body. Blows AND i
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: feel like in The Big, ten when we talk about
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Crappy Big ten, teams we just say that team. Sucks
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: but in THE, sec when they talk about their crappy,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: teams they talk about how actually good that crappy team,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: is AND i find that to be. Odd But i've
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: always found the way they are with their conference. Odd
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: by the, WAY i heard somebody saying the other, day you,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: know we knew what would happen when The Big ten
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: eventually took. Over, Right they've been sitting here calling THE
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: sec weird for the last fifteen years about their, conference,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: PRIDE sec, chance pounding their chest about, it and now
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the minute they take, over the minute they're on, top
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Every big ten fan you talk to now is the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: exact same. Way it's almost as if this guy forgot
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: that The Big ten actually was the premier conference in
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: football before, that And Big ten fans didn't do. That
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: for every, action there is an equal and opposite. Reaction
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: How big ten fans are acting now is a lot
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: of pent up rage and anger from that fifteen years
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and all the annoyance with THE sec. Trash but regarding
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: The Mississippi state in the poor teams in THE sec
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: being so much tougher, opponents this is What Josh pate
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: was talking about last. Week here's WHAT i had to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: say about that segment out because there was the twenty
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: fourth rank talent. Composite IF i were to say to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You Mississippi state is a tough, out then you could
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: say to, me, okay they're a tough out because there
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: what the twenty fourth rank talent. Composite all, Right ucla
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: In wisconsin those are really tough.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Outs why is?
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: That, Well ucla is number twenty five And wisconsin is
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: number twenty eight in The Talent.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Composite but does anybody say.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: That Ohio state GOT ucla In wisconsin knocked them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Off those were tough, Games those were tough.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Outs and look at the body Blows Ohio state took
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: last year BEATING ucla In. Wisconsin, no nobody's given anybody
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: credit for BEATING ucla Or, wisconsin just like nobody should
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: be giving anybody credit for Beating Mississippi. State those aren't hard.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Games you know what we say about teams like, That
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: they just.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Suck they.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Suck those teams suck whether they're twenty, fourth twenty, fifth
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: or twenty eighth in The talent. Composite so if you're
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: gonna say it About Mississippi, state you got to say
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: it ABOUT ucla And. Wisconsin but here's the funniest. Part
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: when we look at those teams that are twenty, four twenty,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: five and twenty eight in The talent, composite how about
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: some teams that are nowhere close to? THEM byu number
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: SEVENTY byu been killing it the last couple of. Years
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: indiana seventy, Two illinois sixty, Four vanderbilt fifty. Five by the,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Way vanderbilt one of the better teams in THE sec last.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Year their talent composite is the same As purdue And,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: rutgers two of the teams THAT sec folks consistently cite
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: when they're talking about how soft The Big ten is
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and purdu And rutgers same talent composite As, vanderbilt one
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: of the teams that they talk. About Even vanderbilt now
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: is a tough. Team, yeah, man you know, what bad
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: teams just Suck and it's not about. Talent we've seen
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: how many times do we got to go through this
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: with the talent? Thing indiana, had how many players drafted
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: on defense? Too that defense Made Ohio state's offense, LOOK i,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: mean pretty pedestrian this. Year and it's about coaching where
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: The Big ten has. It they now have the players to.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Compete they now have the better coaching in the entire
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: to the league as a. Whole they now have programs
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: invested in a way that they were not previously because
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: they've seen an opportunity in the ability to seize an,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: opportunity and it's turned this entire thing on its. Head
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and you see guys Like kirby AND sec fans in
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: general coming to grips with it and it's. Funny but
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: it's also made the sport a hell of a lot
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: more fun now that we have so many more teams
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: in The Big ten that can. Compete and, honestly this
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: is WHAT i wanted for the last twenty. Years but
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: they weren't. There they weren't there investing in their football
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: programs in The Big. Ten many of them they didn't.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Care they were fine with their lot in, life and
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: they didn't try to get out of. It, granted it
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: was much harder to move a rung up in the old,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: system much much, harder so they're taking advantage of their opportunity.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Now it's made it a lot more fun And i'm
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: really happy about.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: It all.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: RIGHT i appreciate you guys so much for joining us
• 45:23
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• 45:25
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• 45:27
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