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Chock Chapple: The Golden Bachelorette Couple & Life After the Show + The Bachelorette Cancellation · In My Hometown

0:21
SPEAKER_04: You're in my hometown with Jamie and Pascal, and today we've got a great show.
0:27
SPEAKER_04: Today we have Chuck Chappell.
0:29
SPEAKER_04: You know him as from the Golden Bachelorette.
0:33
SPEAKER_04: And I guess you know him as Joan's final pick and um her fiance.
0:39
SPEAKER_04: So we are so happy that you are with us today.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for having me.
0:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, I know you're known by many other things than just Joan's.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, I was the guy that beat up Pascal.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: That's how the world knows me.
0:50
SPEAKER_01: That was the guy.
0:52
SPEAKER_04: I love it.
0:52
SPEAKER_04: That is true.
0:53
SPEAKER_04: That is true.
0:54
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you guys are good buddies now, good friends.
0:57
SPEAKER_04: But um, was it always that way?
0:59
SPEAKER_04: Had you ever really seen each other as a competitor?
1:02
SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
1:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's call it what it is.
1:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was in the in the beginning we're a competition, but we end up having a such a great franchise.
1:10
SPEAKER_03: It's amazing.
1:11
SPEAKER_03: It's amazing what happened from the franchise we're the guys, how we how we get along, how we keep in touch, how we uh, you know, be part of each other's life, which is very important.
1:21
SPEAKER_04: It is, and I know, and you're visiting Chicago and you've been out and about, and I want to get to all of that.
1:26
SPEAKER_04: But what I first I think we want to know is just how you are doing and how Joan is doing.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: Doing great.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, let me back up to the show.
1:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: We were on an episode, it was a date, and it was at a bowling alley, and Pascal called me out, and he goes, You know, you kind of hogged Joan.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, No, I didn't, but I did.
1:44
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:44
unknown: Right.
1:45
SPEAKER_01: And it's it was kind of it's but you you take two guys, and that's a great way I had this happen earlier in my life where you're competitive, but then you're a lot alike and you respect each other.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: And that was just something that happened.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: That was probably one of the breakthrough moments that Joan and I had where we really had something special.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't that I purposely did it, it just happened.
2:05
SPEAKER_01: But Pascal did call me out.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: So uh Right.
2:08
SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, I think you knew what you wanted and you were going for it.
2:11
SPEAKER_04: I think you were known on the show as, you know, really not letting um letting others sort of get in your way of that.
2:17
SPEAKER_04: And you know, I think it it worked out well for you.
2:20
SPEAKER_04: You also knew that you had this great connection with her.
2:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
2:22
SPEAKER_04: From very early on.
2:24
SPEAKER_03: I mean, from the beginning, I think when she picked up uh uh Chuck for the the the first one-on-one date, you know, we all knew then she had definitely feeling for Chuck.
2:34
SPEAKER_03: That was that was the guy, and I know that that was the guy to try to beat.
2:37
SPEAKER_04: Right, you know, and uh you you were the guy that tried to beat Chuck.
2:41
SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:42
SPEAKER_03: Him.
2:42
SPEAKER_03: I think I think you knew then she was developing a lot of feeling with him.
2:46
SPEAKER_03: And at one time Chuck left because he had a an emergency with his mom pass away, and uh, you could see Joan's behavior and demeaning, then she was kind of very upset and he was gone.
2:56
SPEAKER_03: And uh when he came back, she was so happy, and I knew that in my heart, I knew that he was he was the one, definitely the one.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
3:05
SPEAKER_01: But Pascal made an impression on me the first evening because you get out of the limo, you meet Joan, and then you go into kind of the reception room, the living room, and I go, Who is this guy with this accent?
3:15
SPEAKER_01: And then the next morning, uh tractor trailer semi pulled up at the mansion, and it was all his clothes.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: And they impact it for like three days, and it was all just meticulous color, you know, shoes, all this.
3:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, I had my little closet over there, had the small room, you know, and uh that's he is sharp.
3:36
SPEAKER_04: He's a sharp dresser, which is one of his qualities.
3:39
SPEAKER_04: You look very sharp today.
3:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm just kind of casual.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna be a good one.
3:42
SPEAKER_04: You're just yeah, you're just here.
3:44
SPEAKER_04: Well, you that's just your normal way.
3:46
SPEAKER_04: But I think that we've talked a lot about um your um the mansion men, your relationships uh from your season of the Golden Bachelorette and just how striking it is, and that I think you set a new tone, although we almost saw that tone completely, you know, shot with the with with uh this new season that was supposed to happen with um the bachelorette.
4:08
SPEAKER_04: But you guys set you were role models, you set a tone in terms of how you interacted with each other, but that was natural, right?
4:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, Jamie, I'll tell you one of the coolest things, and I think it comes with maturity, is there was a guy that didn't even kiss Joan because he goes, I knew you two were meant to be.
4:26
SPEAKER_01: And so you see the young kids that it's you know, tongue down their throat, they're just doing everything crazy.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: And with maturity, you go, you respect, you know, the relationship.
4:36
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think we're as Pascal, like we are A-type personalities, but we're not competitive like young Bucks.
4:42
SPEAKER_01: Like I've already read some of the things, you know, the guys are going, Well, I'm gonna sue ABC because my career's over.
4:47
SPEAKER_01: Career didn't even start.
4:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, come on, give me a break.
4:50
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
4:51
SPEAKER_04: Well, I think, you know, this show is all about thriving in your golden era, reinvention.
4:56
SPEAKER_04: So we talk a lot about being in our, I'm going in my golden and you are in your golden era.
5:01
SPEAKER_04: But you know, at least it broaden golden.
5:03
SPEAKER_04: Golden is a just a great time, anything above 50.
5:06
SPEAKER_04: But I think, like you said, Chalk, it you just you sort of see things a little bit differently.
5:11
SPEAKER_04: You have a different perspective on things.
5:13
SPEAKER_04: Uh, and you know, you can definitely feel that with the golden uh bachelorette and the golden bachelor, right?
5:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
5:21
SPEAKER_03: And well, I want to I want to I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I want to, you know, I want to go a little bit more deeper with Chuck.
5:27
SPEAKER_03: First of all, he's you know, uh you you from Wishita, tell us a little bit about you.
5:31
SPEAKER_03: How did you end up getting into the show?
5:33
SPEAKER_03: I know then you had a couple of challenges in your life, then you got through a divorce once, and then you had a girlfriend who passed away uh of uh brain cancer, and we talk a lot about that.
5:42
SPEAKER_03: So so tell me a little bit about you know, how did you end up in Wishita?
5:46
SPEAKER_03: What uh the the the career you choose, uh the the a little bit about the U business, and not only that, but how did you end up going into the the the bachelor?
5:54
SPEAKER_03: Who signed you up?
5:55
SPEAKER_03: I I don't think we ever had that conversation.
5:56
SPEAKER_01: And it's it's I think it's a great story.
5:59
SPEAKER_01: But I'm I'm from Kansas.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh my dad, obviously, my mother, they both grew up there.
6:04
SPEAKER_01: And then it was interesting.
6:06
SPEAKER_01: My mother goes and she moved away.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: She went to med school and she moved away, and she said, if you're gonna stay in Wichita, I'm gonna give you a plane ticket every year of your life because I want you to go travel.
6:16
SPEAKER_01: So up until the day that I got married, I got a plane trip anywhere in the world I wanted to go.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: So I got to go see a lot of cool stuff, go to a state college, come back, get into the same business my dad was at.
6:26
SPEAKER_01: And Wichita has been good to me.
6:28
SPEAKER_01: And it's a smaller community, it's not like Chicago.
6:30
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I saw more people last night than I've seen in Kansas in three years.
6:34
SPEAKER_01: Um but it's been good to me and it's been my hometown.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: But how I got on the show is my daughter was living in LA, Taylor, and she called me up.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: She goes, Dad, I don't think you're gonna like what I did.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: And you're going, What happened?
6:46
SPEAKER_01: You know?
6:47
SPEAKER_01: And she goes, a friend of mine saw an advertisement for the Golden Bachelorette, and she goes, and they were roommates in college, they'd all graduated, and she goes, We thought you'd be great for it.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: So here's the story, and this is the honesty of it.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: My daughter, there's two ways you can apply for the show.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: You could apply yourself or you can nominate someone.
7:05
SPEAKER_01: I thought the whole time she nominated me, she actually applied if she were me.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: So we get down to the last second, and doing the final interview, and the producer goes, I gotta tell you, you're not as funny as your application.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, But what did my daughter do here?
7:22
SPEAKER_01: So that's how it happened.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: And I had, I was uh married, two great kids, and then was in a long-term relationship, was engaged.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: She unfortunately came down with cancer and passed.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: And I went through, and I think a lot of people do this.
7:35
SPEAKER_01: I went through a point in my life going, I really just don't care.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do some crazy stuff.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, you care, but I go, I'm gonna do some stuff that's outside of my four, my four walls, my box.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: And I would have never done this if I didn't go through that with Kathy.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: Right.
7:50
SPEAKER_01: And I just said, hey, why not go do this?
7:52
SPEAKER_01: I had no idea, and I'm proud to say this too, because I mentioned the young guys on the current show, and I don't know any of them, it's just things you read, but I didn't even watch an episode.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: I had no idea what I was getting into, and I did that on purpose because I just wanted to be fresh, and that's part of my personality too, is like, I don't want to know the questions, let's just talk, let's figure it out.
8:10
SPEAKER_04: And isn't that the greatest part again of the golden bachelor franchise part of it, which is that you guys are not coming in sort of so much now, seeing how famous that everyone can be, and your your intentions are a bit different.
8:26
SPEAKER_04: It's maybe just around that you are we we have only so much life to live that we know about, and so let's live that.
8:32
SPEAKER_04: And then you're doing it.
8:34
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
8:35
SPEAKER_01: Such a very small part.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: There was one guy on the show that I think he he had some interest in being a little bit more famous, but it wasn't overtly.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: It was, you know, and the guy's got some talent and wanted to do some stuff.
8:46
SPEAKER_01: And there's some other people that go, and I I gotta tell you, I'm just the luckiest guy because I've got zero talent, I've got zero skill.
8:53
SPEAKER_03: I'm sure I I wouldn't say, I mean, I had the chance, Jimmy and I had the chance to see you commercial about the the uh the snoring uh what is that?
9:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what is that called?
9:03
SPEAKER_03: It's inspire.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: Inspire the inspire implant.
9:05
SPEAKER_01: And even though, you know, it was a contract, I will tell you now, I live and breathe that product.
9:10
SPEAKER_01: I actually have it.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: I had it before the show.
9:12
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about that.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's not for everyone, but if I can't tell you in the airport how many wives have come up to me and said, Does that thing work?
9:22
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm about ready to kill my husband.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and I want the snoring in and I have a lot of my friends with the wives who will go sleep in other rooms or something like that.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't want to be a good one.
9:33
SPEAKER_04: You do, Jimmy?
9:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I don't.
9:34
SPEAKER_04: I make him sleep at the room.
9:35
SPEAKER_04: Oh, of course.
9:37
SPEAKER_04: I'm not leaving my own.
9:38
SPEAKER_01: But it is it's a potential solution and it's a better healing way of life.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: So I'm a proponent of it.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: I've done some other branding stuff that I just believe in it.
9:46
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:47
SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, from the Red Cross to Colo Guard to it, and I'm not plugging them now.
9:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't need to.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: Just if I'm gonna do it, money's money, but I don't really need it.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: But if it's something I believe in, I'm behind it.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
9:58
SPEAKER_04: The call, by the way, I you don't want to talk about it, but the color guard is we I haven't done it, but I love that idea that you're able to sort of send something in.
10:07
SPEAKER_04: Um, and it it they say that it really works.
10:10
SPEAKER_01: Um well, my mother passed from colorectal cancer.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: So it was a little bit close to the heart, and I go, I'll do it for free.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: Right.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's not plugging the one company, it's the system, but they're the ones that have that.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: And I firmly believe in it.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Any prevention that you can do in pre-diagnosis is, and it's not a hundred percent accurate, but I think it's like 90 or 95.
10:29
SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
10:29
SPEAKER_01: I think people should do it.
10:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, go get away.
10:31
SPEAKER_03: When you said you know that an actor, I mean, like you you as you said earlier, I think you know, the commercial you did was was outstanding.
10:39
SPEAKER_03: I appreciate that.
10:40
SPEAKER_03: I was very, very impressed, and I think I called you, I said, Hey, what a great job.
10:43
SPEAKER_03: You look handsome, and and you did a series of them, which is was very good.
10:47
SPEAKER_03: And and the funny part of the commercial, we talk about it a little bit during our weekend.
10:51
SPEAKER_03: And uh the guy who really was the snorer was Gary.
10:54
SPEAKER_03: Uh Greg, that's the one.
10:56
SPEAKER_03: That's the one.
10:57
SPEAKER_03: I started the trend of the snoring because Greg was my roommate.
11:01
SPEAKER_03: And then and and I throw him out of the room because I said, get the hell out of here.
11:05
SPEAKER_03: You know, we can't sleep with you.
11:07
SPEAKER_03: And so, so that's the snoring become a little bit the segment of the of the show.
11:11
SPEAKER_04: I think that it could potentially ruin marriages.
11:13
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think you the person who's not snoring has anxiety then when I go to sleep, wondering if it's going to happen, you know, because he my husband only snores sometimes.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: It's and I know I'm sorry to jump in, but I know your viewership is just exploding and great for you guys.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: But I'll tell you, every lady that's gonna watch this is gonna say, I want to kill him.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: If anything I can do to stop this snoring.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: So it it does help, but it also helps you lose weight.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: And we don't have to spend a lot of time on this.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: No, I but you sleep better.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: And I was on one trip, and it was actually involved my father.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: I ended up sleeping in the bathroom, and I put towels because he snored so bad.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: And I look at his wife and I go, How in the world do you live through this?
11:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't I I believe it.
11:57
SPEAKER_04: We actually have talked about doing a show on just sleeping and you know, uh how why sleep is so important.
12:03
SPEAKER_04: So that is a whole other topic.
12:05
SPEAKER_04: Maybe we'll have you be on it, but but I think the idea that you are um you're you're you're leveraging your um your fame, uh, right, or your celebrity for for lack of a better word, to uh work with some brands that matter to you and so and you're being intentional about it.
12:21
SPEAKER_04: Have you been have some reached out to you that maybe you aren't into or you've said no to?
12:26
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
12:26
SPEAKER_04: Yes, okay.
12:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all right.
12:27
SPEAKER_04: Well, that's good to be able to do that.
12:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:30
SPEAKER_03: So so let's talk a little bit about the relationship now.
12:33
SPEAKER_03: You know, I I know then, you know, I'm gonna go back a little bit as uh, you know, I was one of the third finalists, and uh, you know, as you know, I left uh uh uh on the being the third one and and I left for a reason and I wanted to share that with you.
12:47
SPEAKER_03: I left because I felt like you know my feeling was not as deep and I didn't feel as connected as you and Guy felt.
12:57
SPEAKER_03: And I felt like if I was staying the equation, I will uh basically uh interfere into your happiness, guys.
13:05
SPEAKER_03: And I uh by me leaving, I think it was a good chance for John to pick up the right guy instead of looking at me a little bit and saying, Oh, maybe, maybe not.
13:15
SPEAKER_03: So I think to me, I I knew in my heart then you were the the runner up, and uh I just felt like it was time for me to leave.
13:24
SPEAKER_03: Maybe I I didn't want to be the rejection, I didn't want to be rejected.
13:27
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, be honest.
13:28
SPEAKER_03: And I said, you know, if I leave, I'm I'm taking myself away.
13:32
SPEAKER_03: But I didn't do it, uh I didn't do it for a selfish reason.
13:35
SPEAKER_03: I did it because I felt like you were a much better fit with Joan than I was, and I didn't want her to have any doubt in her mind than I was there.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: So And and I know that about you and I respect you, but that's the Goldens.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: And I kind of heard the story, and I'm my philosophy is too, or my personality, is I go, Joan, that's between you and Pascal, what happened, even though you've got a TV camera there.
13:58
SPEAKER_01: But Joan was very complimentary of you.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: Saying, I just you know, and I don't want to speak because you don't want to speak for other people when you weren't there, you don't know the facts.
14:05
SPEAKER_01: But the way I understand it, you go, This, you know, it's it's not me.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: And that's okay, because the last thing, how many people do you know that are in relationships that aren't happy?
14:13
SPEAKER_02: Right.
14:14
SPEAKER_01: Or especially getting in one where you go, hey, I really like you, I care for you.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: You could even say love, but I go, That's not, you know, that's not me, that's not us.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: That's 100%.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: And you had a you had guys that did that.
14:25
SPEAKER_01: Mark came up to me, Anderson.
14:27
SPEAKER_01: Again, I don't want to speak for him, but when he left, he came up to me and he goes, invite me to the wedding.
14:31
SPEAKER_01: And it was just really cool.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: Where I don't see the young guys.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think they're just young bucks that are right, you know, they're five minutes of fame or they think they love them, or something like that.
14:40
SPEAKER_01: So I just cannot speak highly of the other guys.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't call them cast members because they're friends.
14:45
SPEAKER_01: And it's really been great because there was 24 of us, most of us keep in contact.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: So that I just want to stress to your audience out there, we're friends.
14:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we actually have to do that.
14:54
SPEAKER_04: I think that is what everyone sort of wonders, but but not so much wonders, they they love, and you can tell, you can tell that it's genuine, it's authentic.
15:02
SPEAKER_04: I don't think I've heard you say that, Pascal.
15:04
SPEAKER_04: So I think it's really good that you're sharing.
15:06
SPEAKER_04: You know, I want it Pascal's so reflective.
15:08
SPEAKER_03: No, I wanted I wanted to say it, but you remember we were trying to get choke uh chuck uh uh about uh a couple months ago, and I wanted to say that in front of him to our audience.
15:18
SPEAKER_03: And unfortunately, we couldn't have him, so now we have him in here in our in our house.
15:22
SPEAKER_03: And I wanted to just said that then, you know, to be honest with you, I mean, I had feeling for John, but my feeling was not as deep as yours.
15:30
SPEAKER_03: And I didn't want to interfere to her happiness because in the bottom line, I want her to be happy.
15:34
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
15:35
SPEAKER_03: And the and me being in the equation might put some doubt, or I don't know how the feeling she had for me, but I knew I knew then you were very invested.
15:43
SPEAKER_03: I knew then I knew then you were the runner up, and and I didn't want a rejection.
15:47
SPEAKER_03: I said, let me leave before she rejects me.
15:49
SPEAKER_03: You know, men don't like to take rejection, and I think that's the way I felt it.
15:53
SPEAKER_03: And I think she did a right choice.
15:55
SPEAKER_03: I think she picked up the right guy because as more as I get to know you, I really enjoy our conversation we have.
16:01
SPEAKER_03: I mean, he came to Chicago a few months ago, stayed with me for five days, and we had those deep conversations, and and and I really enjoy our friendship, and I cherish that friendship with him.
16:11
SPEAKER_03: But you've been a good friend.
16:12
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
16:13
SPEAKER_04: So wonderful.
16:14
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that is what is like the most heartwarming out of these shows.
16:18
SPEAKER_04: I mean, and I think where things need to get back to, which is the intention there was to have a love story.
16:24
SPEAKER_04: It was to find something.
16:26
SPEAKER_04: Your love story became both uh with a with a woman with Joan and a love story really with these guys.
16:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and how But you see so many fans go there.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: What was really enjoyable, just the relationships with the guys.
16:37
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
16:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
16:39
SPEAKER_04: I do think some of the other uh seasons have had that, but yours really stands out um in that way.
16:46
SPEAKER_03: I think I think the mature level of maturity our season had and the camaraderie among us make us really stand out versus the other season.
16:56
SPEAKER_03: I just think then, you know, when you look at Gary the first season, the woman we were very competitive.
17:01
SPEAKER_03: There was no competition in us.
17:02
SPEAKER_03: There was all support.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: When somebody was going on a date, on a one-on-one date with John, we all sit around the couch and say, How was it?
17:09
SPEAKER_03: How did you have a what did you do?
17:11
SPEAKER_03: We're very excited for each other.
17:13
SPEAKER_03: And I think that's the difference between the maturity of our age and the young children.
17:18
SPEAKER_04: So, Chuck, you said you went in really blind to this and you hadn't seen any episodes of the show.
17:23
SPEAKER_04: I mean, of course, you knew what the show was and all of that.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: I I'd actually read about it, and it was Gary's season that, you know, kind of catapulted and it had a lot of fans.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: So I was familiar with the premise of the show, the series, but really no details.
17:37
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: And so when you I didn't even know what the Bachelor Mansion was.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: And I've got to tell you too, yeah, I have the Golden Rose in my office.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know what the Golden Rose was until afterwards, and they go, You've walked by it 10 times in the rose ceremony, and I'm going, Oh, that's what that was.
17:50
SPEAKER_04: So funny.
17:51
SPEAKER_04: So, what then when you were inside of this then?
17:54
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I guess you didn't really have expectations, but um, did it uh, you know, how did you feel about it when you got there?
18:02
SPEAKER_04: Were you um at ease with it?
18:05
SPEAKER_04: Were you uncomfortable?
18:06
SPEAKER_04: When you met Petgal, we know that you got better.
18:09
SPEAKER_04: Like, what do you think?
18:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, the reason why I'm chuckling is my daughter goes, You can't go home on the first night.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: She goes, That'll embarrass the family.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: So that was my goal.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know what was going on.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: I was like, just my daughter Taylor said, You can't go home the first night.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: And then that first rose ceremony.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting there going, what is all this about?
18:29
SPEAKER_01: So, but it was it was great because uh it was just something new.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: It was so fresh to me and something so it was very enjoyable.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, of course, you know, I got to meet my fiancee and you know, uh start another chapter of my life.
18:43
SPEAKER_04: Certainly.
18:44
SPEAKER_03: Experience of a lifetime, you know.
18:45
SPEAKER_03: What is the chance of us, you know, of anyone going to a show like that and meet people?
18:50
SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I I think to me, the experience alone was like like like chuck.
18:55
SPEAKER_03: I didn't watch anything besides when my daughter signed me up.
18:58
SPEAKER_03: I said, What is that?
18:59
SPEAKER_03: And I started watching the uh Gary's season, the couple episodes, and I understood the concept.
19:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay, there is 25 women is gonna pick up one of them.
19:07
SPEAKER_03: And so the reverse, there's there is 25 guys, she's gonna pick up one of them.
19:10
SPEAKER_03: But I was I've never watched one of those shows.
19:13
SPEAKER_03: So I came up a little bit, I was naive.
19:15
SPEAKER_03: I didn't know what I was expecting.
19:16
SPEAKER_03: I was kind of a I was kind of a little bit uncomfortable because, you know, as you know, I'm a high maintenance and you know, I'm like a you know really look, I I like my space and yeah, sharing room with stranger wasn't my turn, so but uh you know, I I said stick with the program, go with the flow and have a good time.
19:35
SPEAKER_03: Well, and it was interesting.
19:36
SPEAKER_03: Halfway through the show, he was doing his own laundry.
19:40
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, no.
19:43
SPEAKER_03: What is that?
19:44
SPEAKER_03: Mark was doing my laundry, and then and Mark was cooking for me because I as you know, you've been spending time with me.
19:51
SPEAKER_03: I don't cook, we go out every night for dinner, you know.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, Mark Mark is a worker.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that guy from day one was in the kitchen, he and Gil, and it was really a pleasure to see those guys.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: And Jordan can cook, and you know.
20:02
SPEAKER_04: That was one of my favorite parts of the episodes.
20:04
SPEAKER_04: I mean, of course, I love Joan, and you know, again, you know, you were really rooting for her, and her just intentions of the show were so um pure.
20:14
SPEAKER_04: But the most fun was watching you guys in the kitchen, and then like with this funny music sort of playing over your you know, antics.
20:21
SPEAKER_04: I loved that part of it.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: And uh, and you have your own little show of the guys, and Jamie, I think it's the same thing with almost every house is the kitchen is the focal point.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: And we spent so much time in there.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it was and and they, you know, the production company, however we want to call it, they're very deliberate of getting you in the kitchen, making you work together to kind of build some dynamics, but it went so well.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really did.
20:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
20:47
SPEAKER_04: So uh I I want to talk a little bit about um, of course, what's going on with the Bachelorette and this cancellation.
20:54
SPEAKER_04: I'm so curious as to what your uh take is on it.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, there's a new term I shouldn't say new, but Kevin O'Leary.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I I I go to the internet to check to get information, but doom scrolling.
21:07
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
21:08
SPEAKER_04: Do you know what doom scrolling is?
21:09
SPEAKER_04: Of course, yeah.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: Where you're kind of looking for doom.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: And it was at a party with Pascal last night, and I said, NASCAR, people go for two reasons.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: One is to see who wins.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Number two is a crash.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: And I cannot believe the interest that I should say the American public has in this.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: That people haven't even watched the show.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: First of all, you've got a person, a family, you've got other people.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: So you've got to you've got to be considerate of them.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: And I don't, I can't, I don't know any facts on it or anything like that.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: I do think that ABC was right uh pulling the season, without a doubt.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: I personally know Rob Mills.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, he's a business guy.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he knows things that we don't know, and you just see so much out there happening.
21:51
SPEAKER_04: Who is Rob Mills?
21:52
SPEAKER_01: So he is in charge of unscripted for ABC.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: And he's he's a he's a sharp guy, and I've spent a little bit of time with him.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm impressed with it.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: And but people have to realize too, it's a business.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: It is a business.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: And people want entertainment.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: And the series has been around a while.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: And it just the reading this morning where some people are going, bring it back where you don't know somebody, you're getting America to love somebody new.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, let's get somebody that's that's well known that's gonna but you know, looking for drama, I think, is just a disaster for everybody.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: But that the world, the internet has gone there.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: You look at it, it used to be a lot of information.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: YouTube's great.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can figure out anything to do on YouTube, but you look at it and go, what you see now is really more problems or people just dancing.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: And I've got a little joke I want to tell you about the dancing.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: So I go, because they're gonna, you're gonna, you know, you'll have this Instagram life, which I could really care less about.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: And I go, well, I will never dance on Instagram.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: But then I go, What's it pay?
22:50
SPEAKER_03: But but you know, to talk to talk a little bit about the controversy of the golden bachelorette, you know what I mean?
22:57
SPEAKER_03: Uh the bachelor.
22:58
SPEAKER_03: The bachelor, the bachelor, the bachelor the bachelorette.
23:00
SPEAKER_03: Right.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: Not the golden.
23:02
SPEAKER_03: No, yeah, the bachelorette.
23:03
SPEAKER_04: You have golden on your brain.
23:04
SPEAKER_03: I know golden is always golden for me.
23:06
SPEAKER_03: Always golden.
23:07
SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, before all the controversy, she had 1.8 million followers.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: Today, she got 2.8 million followers.
23:16
SPEAKER_03: In uh in a Twitter or something like that, she got over 5 million followers.
23:20
SPEAKER_03: So, my prediction, she's gonna be a fantastic entertainment regardless of the controversy.
23:27
SPEAKER_03: And if we I agree with ABC to put it out, but I guarantee you that an Ulu or another network is gonna pick it up because that sells.
23:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that sells.
23:37
SPEAKER_03: She's got already half of she's got more follower than Mel first episode of the Golden Bachelor.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: Right.
23:46
SPEAKER_03: So that'd be foolish, not them to put it out.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: I understand the controversy, but remember one thing.
23:51
SPEAKER_03: Today is a good news, tomorrow nobody will remember about the news.
23:56
SPEAKER_03: So it will come back.
23:57
SPEAKER_03: It will come back.
23:58
SPEAKER_04: ABC no doubt did the right thing in canceling it.
24:01
SPEAKER_04: I just think that did they do the right thing in even considering that she was gonna be the Bachelorette?
24:07
SPEAKER_04: They probably chose wrong, um, but they did it because they were looking for that drama.
24:13
SPEAKER_04: Um, she and I, you know, to your to your point before talk about um you know, that people uh people just want to watch this train wreck.
24:22
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think that she's had such a big fan base from her other show and the connection of the other show sort of like leading up to the Bachelorette, it's just shocking that they wouldn't have known that, you know, what like the production wasn't speaking to production.
24:37
SPEAKER_04: That's what I don't know.
24:39
SPEAKER_04: Because they they had to have known that she had been over to his house sleeping with him before, you know, the night before the that's something that bothered me.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry to jump in, but that's something that bothered me.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: But let me in the business world, we have a saying going, it's easier for me to run your business than mine.
24:53
SPEAKER_04: I love that.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: And it is you know so true because you know, it is a business, they're bringing entertainment and trying something different, I get it.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Because I always say if we were in a board meeting or a meeting going, how do we bring some life back into it?
25:07
SPEAKER_01: Because they had some series that weren't that good.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: And when I say good, it just didn't bring the viewership, didn't bring the advertising.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: So you do that, and then to we all think we know what happened, but I don't factually know that.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: But I don't blame them for trying something new.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then you look at the hair on this and it's not that good.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: But do you think that's it?
25:29
SPEAKER_01: But I don't want it, if I can, real quick though, is and this is selfishly because and I don't want to speak for Joan, but Joan and Keith from I mean, they are bachelor fans.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: They live it, they love it.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: And you're going, what's gonna happen to the future of the franchise?
25:44
SPEAKER_01: But all of us in our personal lives, business lives, you have those things where you go down.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Can you come back?
25:49
SPEAKER_01: Can you make it bigger, stronger?
25:51
SPEAKER_01: Can you learn from it?
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: But then I go back to is you've got some human life in here that that's what I'm a little bit more concerned about of going, but you've got to be a different person to want that attention.
26:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just that's one in 300 million that would want that type of attention.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:07
SPEAKER_03: But but the the 10 is, you know, you and I and every one of us went to a a criminal background checkup.
26:14
SPEAKER_03: So I'm surprised the network knew the story.
26:18
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's 2013 warrant for domestic violence and batteries.
26:22
SPEAKER_03: 2020.
26:24
SPEAKER_03: So that's not something new.
26:25
SPEAKER_03: And on top of that, she's got to go to court in August to, you know, be swear or whatever it is.
26:31
SPEAKER_03: So the network knew exactly what she was, and they're still choosing us because of the controversy.
26:39
SPEAKER_03: Uh, I don't think they were expecting the video to be released that quickly, okay, but it did.
26:44
SPEAKER_04: Oh, we'd still be, I think they'd still be going.
26:46
SPEAKER_04: We would have watched the show last night had that video not gone.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, no doubt.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: So then the question, I mean, we'll go back to this is yeah, who sold it to TMZ?
26:54
SPEAKER_04: Right.
26:55
SPEAKER_04: Well, I so I thought that it was Dakota, and I thought that I read that.
26:59
SPEAKER_04: Um, but I saw something on T uh something this morning about TMZ saying that it wasn't Dakota that sold it.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: What I read this morning was it was an individual.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: Harvey said it was an individual.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: But how did he get the video?
27:09
SPEAKER_01: How did he get the video?
27:10
SPEAKER_01: So what it came out is legally, when there's anything with the child, the courts will not release it.
27:15
SPEAKER_04: Got it.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: So I've read that, and I mean there's just no way.
27:17
SPEAKER_04: No, I don't think the courts release it.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: And and my assumption again is if it went to TMZ, somebody sold it.
27:24
SPEAKER_04: Yes, me too.
27:25
SPEAKER_04: And I think it was either Dakota or someone close to Dakota.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: We're doing it for him.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's right, exactly.
27:30
SPEAKER_04: A proxy it is.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Was it another cast member on the show that didn't like her, you know, whatever conspiracy theory is?
27:36
SPEAKER_04: Because some of the um they are saying that some of the uh Mormon wives from the cast of that have didn't want to be recorded taken on the case.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: But the auto decision as well.
27:46
SPEAKER_03: They're not shooting the more the moment's wife.
27:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well they've paused.
27:49
SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
27:50
SPEAKER_04: They'll probably re-you know jiggles.
27:53
SPEAKER_03: She was a cast in the show anyway.
27:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, she was a trend wack industry.
27:56
SPEAKER_04: But going back to what Chuck is saying, I I agree with you.
27:58
SPEAKER_04: I think at the heart of all of this are the the people that the the collateral damage of it all, and uh the fact that I guess her kid uh with Dakota has temporarily been taken away from her.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: That's what I've read.
28:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, which if that's the case, I mean it's sort of like where is this going?
28:14
SPEAKER_04: It's just heartbreaking in a way.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: So let me throw this one at you.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: Is you is when you get older, you see these swings from politics going left, right, stock market, wars, all that.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: Will this help us get back to a moral equilibrium?
28:28
SPEAKER_01: So I'm trying to think of the positive thing.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Is because you know, this is gonna put other uh networks are gonna think about this because you look at Jerry Springer and that stuff and how popular that was.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: And you look at some of the things these other stars have done and said, Will this hopefully bring us back?
28:45
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm just right in the middle.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just you know, I'm thinking it could.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think it's gonna hurt.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: Because it's some people are gonna go, I I don't want that in my life.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: That's not positive, that's not good.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: But just think about it.
28:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I think that's something very good to think about, and it sort of, you know, resets for a little while.
29:04
SPEAKER_04: It's just that we're on such a um everything goes so fast, so that reset might not be as long as long term it to be.
29:13
SPEAKER_04: Yes, but it's quite possible.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: As we all grow older, things change.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we can't really control them.
29:18
SPEAKER_04: So I would love for them to go back and find some people who we, you know, who really want to find someone.
29:26
SPEAKER_03: But but again, again, you know, meaning they had in the season of Aaron, I believe, that was Aaron, they had some wonderful young woman they could have picked up with.
29:35
SPEAKER_04: With the season of Aaron?
29:36
SPEAKER_03: The the the Bachelor, the the Bachelor.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: What was his I remember her?
29:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she was Dina.
29:41
SPEAKER_03: Dina was in the No, I don't remember.
29:43
SPEAKER_03: Was that Grant?
29:44
SPEAKER_03: Grant.
29:44
SPEAKER_03: Oh, Grant, Grant, Grant, yeah.
29:46
SPEAKER_03: The the season with Grant.
29:47
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
29:48
SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah, Dina was part of the season.
29:50
SPEAKER_03: Beautiful.
29:51
SPEAKER_03: Paritza was a beautiful.
29:53
SPEAKER_03: I mean, they could have picked up any one of them.
29:55
SPEAKER_04: They're coming on in a couple weeks, we'll come back.
29:56
SPEAKER_03: I know they're coming up, yeah.
29:57
SPEAKER_03: But I mean, I think to me, going out of the box, and that's what the new producers want to do, go out of the box and bring in somebody who's got so much controversy who backfire them.
30:06
SPEAKER_03: So I don't know if they're gonna, but I personally think they will have it because it's got too much controversy.
30:12
SPEAKER_04: I don't think ABC is gonna be.
30:14
SPEAKER_04: I don't think ABC will have it.
30:15
SPEAKER_04: Right.
30:15
SPEAKER_03: But they will definitely someone's gonna air that season.
30:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is you know, I mean, they're in the hook for a 20, 30 million dollar production with that content, the hundreds of millions of dollars of commercial.
30:25
SPEAKER_03: So this is a lot of money.
30:27
SPEAKER_04: So another sort of there's just so many things to unpack about it.
30:30
SPEAKER_04: I mean, the other piece is the guys, those 22 guys, maybe a couple even more, because they have backups.
30:35
SPEAKER_03: I don't feel bad for those guys work.
30:37
SPEAKER_04: No, don't they have don't you have to take off for work for a couple months?
30:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, six months.
30:40
SPEAKER_03: But I don't feel you know what, to be and we talk about that in a lab podcast.
30:44
SPEAKER_03: I don't feel so bad with them because you got a 28 years old who's gonna be involved with a 31 years old with three children.
30:51
SPEAKER_04: So you think that they signed up for it, they deserve it.
30:55
SPEAKER_01: No, well, this is to me, it's the US military, it's 100% voluntary.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there is no guarantee with this.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I mean, be an adult.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you took a risk.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: You could have been gone the first day, you could have gone the whole time.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't know what's gonna happen.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you don't know if America's gonna like you, want you.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: That's a good idea.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: You have no idea.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because when you're done, they might keep you for a day, but then you're back to reality.
31:17
SPEAKER_04: Right.
31:17
SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, you know, in missed opportunities, I'm going, it's yes, and I think I I think you yes, you made that point a little bit earlier, and I think uh there's an also some talk that they would be able to sue.
31:28
SPEAKER_04: And I just don't think there's gonna be any weight to that because I would assume that in the contract it's like you know, you may not be used at all.
31:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:35
SPEAKER_04: So I when I went out and what are the damages really?
31:38
SPEAKER_01: When I went out to LA, I mean, they in the contract, and you know, it's they go, you are not guaranteed a spot, which I would do the same thing.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: I actually thought when I went out there I'd have to screen test or do something I had no idea.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: And I get out there and they go, okay, go, you know, here we go.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: So but you know, you're gonna have out of 25 people, you're gonna have some that go, Well, what was me?
32:00
SPEAKER_01: Other ones go, this is just life.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: So whatever.
32:03
SPEAKER_04: Right, you're right.
32:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:05
SPEAKER_03: So I want to change your bit the subject.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: I want to talk a little bit about Joan and Chuck's relationship.
32:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we were going there.
32:12
SPEAKER_03: We're going there, great.
32:13
SPEAKER_03: The challenge of the challenge of uh the long distance, the the financial uh I mean I'm sure you get asked a lot about that, right?
32:21
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, when do we get married?
32:22
SPEAKER_04: I hear that all the time.
32:23
SPEAKER_03: What's what's the date?
32:24
SPEAKER_04: And I know your your answer to that, I I um, you know, is that you've got a kids, a lot of kids, you guys have six between the two of you, right?
32:32
SPEAKER_04: And you've got weddings and things like that.
32:34
SPEAKER_04: But is it really even do you even have to get married?
32:37
SPEAKER_01: We do even want to kind of feel that way.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's a little alternative.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: With younger people, they want families, they want kids, they want that.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: And you know, with Joan, she's been up front because people go, you know, she's got four kids, extremely close with every one of them.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: And then she's got two, uh, three grandbabies and two on the way.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: And that's a big part of her life.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: But I gotta tell you, it's fun.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: We get to go do stuff.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: And part of it's work, part of it's just we I'm going to New York this weekend.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna meet her there, I'm gonna spend time with my daughter.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: And so that's Taylor that moved to New York.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of fun.
33:11
SPEAKER_04: So why do you think then that there's such this this um the fan base just they they they're in a lather about wanting you guys to get married?
33:19
SPEAKER_04: Why do you think it's so conventional and traditional?
33:23
SPEAKER_01: I yeah, well, I think from a positive, is they there's people that are invested in the franchise and they want that success.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: And so while we're stamp of the stamp or a lock-in of going, I think that would, but we're people, we're gonna live our own lives, and we just kind of have fun with it.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:40
SPEAKER_03: So what is what is the challenge of your relationship?
33:44
SPEAKER_03: What is the the the ten you would like to change?
33:46
SPEAKER_03: Do you think the distance between you and her and where you live and the lifestyle you have in Wishita versus the lifestyle she has?
33:54
SPEAKER_03: So you mean right?
33:56
SPEAKER_04: You said you don't see people in Wichita.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: So people people always go, he's so serious, but I gotta tell you, there's so many people that go, I wish I'd have what you guys have.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, because you get this freedom.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm still heavily working, and then she's got her kids.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: So Monday through Thursday, I'm working my tail off.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: And the nice thing is now is you can get somewhere.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: I just did something where I said um it was a chamber of commerce deal going, I can work in LA till eight o'clock, and I'm at work in back in Kansas eight in the next morning.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: So, and that's a lifestyle that I I've been a sales guy, I've been on the road, been in management.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: That doesn't bother me at all.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you do get some freedom, but there are times with to answer uh Pascal's inquiry is there are those times you want to wake up with someone.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: You want to, and you want to, but fortunately we've been together what, a year and a half?
34:44
SPEAKER_01: 15, 16 months.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: Almost every other week we're together.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, and we've we we make that a priority.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
34:51
SPEAKER_04: And when you are together, you have that quality time because you're, you know, you've sort of made that, right?
34:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, you have to with a relationship, you know, if it's valuable to you, put the time and effort.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: And with both CK and Pascal, they got to hear me on the phone with Joan.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: We talk every day.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: And it's really kind of good conversations, but we're we both know each other so well.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: She's like, you're at work, I'll talk to you later.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: Or she's got grandkids or she's doing something with work.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: There isn't a well, you you had to go, or you know, I'm it's that's that maturity that just works well for us.
35:23
SPEAKER_04: Right.
35:23
SPEAKER_04: Like, what do you think, Pascal?
35:25
SPEAKER_04: Do you feel it needs the stamp of marriage?
35:27
SPEAKER_04: I know.
35:28
SPEAKER_03: I thought I think in our wedding.
35:29
SPEAKER_03: I think in our age there is no need of marriage.
35:32
SPEAKER_03: We have our children, we have our family.
35:34
SPEAKER_03: I think in our age, we're looking for a companion to spend time together and have a good time together.
35:39
SPEAKER_03: Right.
35:39
SPEAKER_03: You know, and I agree with Chuck.
35:41
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes not living together gives you a little bit of freedom.
35:44
SPEAKER_03: I'm the kind of guy who needs a long leash.
35:47
SPEAKER_03: I can be uh I can be smuggled.
35:49
SPEAKER_03: No, no one can hold me back.
35:50
SPEAKER_03: I need I need some space.
35:52
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, to me, having someone, uh a partner who I see two, three times, uh, you know, or two times a day or uh once a week, I'm happy with it.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
36:02
SPEAKER_03: So uh I could understand to be honest, it sounds like a perfect part for them.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: If we were all honest.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Right?
36:11
SPEAKER_00: I like my own shows at night.
36:13
SPEAKER_04: I like to watch my own shows of my bed at night.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, my husband travels a little bit and you know, he hadn't been for a while and now he's back to it.
36:20
SPEAKER_04: And I hate to say it, I sort of enjoy that.
36:23
SPEAKER_04: It's in the houseful.
36:24
SPEAKER_03: You don't have to entertain, you don't have to talk, you could just relax, and there is no pressure.
36:29
SPEAKER_03: I think I think relationships are are challenging.
36:32
SPEAKER_03: There is, you know, and on top of that, in in where we are in our age, we have to deal with uh her family and my family, her children, and my children.
36:41
SPEAKER_03: It's not easy to combine everything because I know I've been in a relationship where a woman had children and the girl loved me and the boy couldn't stand me.
36:50
SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
36:50
SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, you know, I think to me, uh, you know, it's it's difficult to blend two family together, but the the biggest challenge for me is the distance.
37:00
SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean, I want to be able to have quick access to my partner, okay, for my needs.
37:07
SPEAKER_03: What are you saying there?
37:10
SPEAKER_03: The madness needs for the needs, and then and then uh, you know, it's okay.
37:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, you've got to be respectful of each other.
37:18
SPEAKER_01: And then there's another thing that as this older people, you'll hear this.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, I've trained them.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: And Joan has trained me, and I've trained so you get used to somebody, and you've been through that.
37:29
SPEAKER_01: So the little stuff isn't that much.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: And she the other day, she goes, Well, you know, you could make a reservation at a restaurant.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: And I go, but you're so good at it, and it matters to you.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: If you want me to do it, let me know.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: Train me and I'll take one.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, she likes the nice restaurant, she likes the nice spot, like Pascal.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: You know, and for me, I'm like I make the reservation.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: No one makes reservation for me.
37:50
SPEAKER_01: You know, if there's spaghetti and meatballs, I'm good.
37:52
SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah.
37:53
SPEAKER_04: No, you guys have made it made it work.
37:55
SPEAKER_04: But I do think, and I love to hear that you're not letting sort of that external pressure nor internal pressure sort of get to you.
38:02
SPEAKER_04: You're enjoying this and and doing it.
38:04
SPEAKER_04: And I do think the blending of the families is what a lot of people I asked for questions in advance with you, and I got some DMs about the blending of the families.
38:13
SPEAKER_04: That's the question.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, Jamie, we are so fortunate because all of our kids get along.
38:17
SPEAKER_04: It's so good.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I mean, it's that's one of the better things of it.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh in New York City, my son came, she had a daughter-in-law at the beach last year.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: We had all a family together, they all get along, and they're all the same age bracket.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: So there's just no issues there.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: And I go play golf with three of her, her two boys and a son-in-law.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, that's gone very, very well.
38:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: It has.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: And I've actually enjoyed it.
38:40
SPEAKER_04: So your kids are not in Wichita with you.
38:42
SPEAKER_04: One is in just moved to New York, right?
38:44
SPEAKER_04: Your daughter.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: She was in LA and then spent about five months.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: She's kind of a vagabond.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: And then now she's in New York.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: My son's in Charlotte.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: And then I do want to tell you this is we're going to go back to regress about the internet.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: I took six months off.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, not six months, six weeks.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even looking at any comments.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: I go on there and somebody goes, Well, he's not a good father.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: You never see a picture.
39:05
SPEAKER_01: And I do want to tell people this is my son wants no part of it.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: And I got to respect that.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: That's just not him.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: Or my daughter's kind of an Instagram.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: And people, you really don't know what the dynamics are of a family.
39:19
SPEAKER_01: And especially when your kids don't live in the same place.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, we see each other, he'll come back.
39:24
SPEAKER_01: I we went to Africa last year.
39:26
SPEAKER_01: But that just kind of hit home, and that's that doom scrolling that people are just, you know, or just being an asshole.
39:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I would think it would be very hard.
39:34
SPEAKER_03: So let me let me ask another question to say on the same subject.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, I know then you are successful, you have your own business, you're doing very well.
39:42
SPEAKER_03: Uh, let's say then you, you know, you have a job and you earn a respectable living, how challenging will be financially for you to be able to spend time with John?
39:54
SPEAKER_03: Because it's not cheap, you know, flying back and forth, sometimes at the hotel, you know, there is definitely a cost associated to it.
40:02
SPEAKER_03: So if you take the average people who can afford that, how do how do you make it work?
40:06
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I know we have FaceTime and we could look at each other, but it's not the same.
40:11
SPEAKER_03: We Jimmy and I don't like to have people in Zoom.
40:14
SPEAKER_03: We like to have people in a hot seat because I could look at you, I could feel you express your energy.
40:19
SPEAKER_03: You old school like to, but to me, uh so so how do you uh financially what kind of burden it is on both of you to be able to spend time with each other?
40:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I'll I'll paraphrase it by this my house is paid for.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: You know, my kids are out of the house.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: I make a decent living.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: So, and this is just uh it's a price of the relationship to live apart.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, air travel's kind of gotten expensive lately, but it's really not that bad.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Other people would, you know, that's gonna be their choice, going, I don't want to spend that money, I don't want to do it.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: But we actually like going to new places and doing things.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: And we're at that, we've had a lot of work to do in in towns, New York to LA.
40:58
SPEAKER_01: And then now we're like, Joan went to, I was I really like Florida.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: I've had two homes there.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: And she went down there with some friends, and she goes, I really like it.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna go to St.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: Pete the next time.
41:07
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's kind of a fantasy, you know, it might not be real life, but it's our real life and it's worth it.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: I love that.
41:13
SPEAKER_03: It might not be real life, but it's obviously I'm gonna be a very direct who paid for all that?
41:18
SPEAKER_03: You pay, she pay.
41:20
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, are you paying it?
41:21
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, because because I refuse not to pay.
41:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:24
SPEAKER_03: I mean, before I was the golden goose and we want to go to a trip and it's$30,000 and Pascal paid for it.
41:31
SPEAKER_03: Now, no, you want to go to a trip, you gotta pay your ways, or at least participate in paying your ways.
41:37
SPEAKER_03: To me, so so when you go to to Florida or you go to Vegas or you go to Vita, how did how did the finance work between the two of you?
41:46
SPEAKER_01: Actually, Joan's very good at that, and she she's extremely good.
41:51
SPEAKER_04: There's not much that she's not good at.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh it's really never been an issue.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: And I did one time when I go, hey, I want you to come back to Wichita, and um did that because it was it was a nonprofit that I was involved in, and it was a favor coming back.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: But usually she goes, I get it, I you know, I'll pick this up, I'll do that.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: We've not had a problem.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: But we've had we've we've got some brands that we work with.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: One's the Archer Hotel that takes very good care of us in New York City, and it's great.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: They're just a great partner, a great place, and we'll shoot some videos and say, you know, so we do get a discount on a lot of things.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: And the air travel, again, I don't have a house payment, so it's not, you know, it's not chilling.
42:31
SPEAKER_03: You are you are you are uh uh you know different than most people.
42:35
SPEAKER_03: Most people have mortgage, most people are indebted in a credit card.
42:39
SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean all those kids who are in the bachelorette, or uh even some of them on the bachelor who don't have the financial stability to be able to get involved and traveling.
42:48
SPEAKER_04: Well, long distance probably isn't for everyone.
42:50
SPEAKER_04: No, I mean that's really what it is.
42:53
SPEAKER_01: I have the last year and a half, no regrets.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: No regrets at all.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: And that's just you know, it's a cost of a relationship.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: Business guy cost of doing business, but no regrets.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: And when I came out last time, Pascal bought my airline ticket, and but it was like four or five hundred dollars.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: It's not, you know, if you go overseas, it's very expensive.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: But we're not and I don't want to, you know, belittle anything, but it's just not that much money.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Right.
43:16
SPEAKER_04: You don't want to minimize the the the cost of of travel and all of that, but it right now for you it works, and it's not that much, right?
43:23
SPEAKER_04: It sounds good to me.
43:24
SPEAKER_04: I would just say that I do think from what I could, you know, I I can tell is I just think the long distance thing is probably for some people and not for others, depending on right, you know, your economic situation, but also just of some people want to be with someone all of the time.
43:39
SPEAKER_04: But we do talk a lot about the golden bachelor and golden bachelorette and this idea that Pascal has, which I think is brilliant, which is having it be one city, right?
43:53
SPEAKER_04: Or uh or surrounding city.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: You look Chicago, you get two.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: 13 million people, and you tell me you can't fend 20, 25 single weedous.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and this is just my my assertion, my opinion.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: That makes logical sense, but then you've got the demographics of the show.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: I think one of the big reasons I was cast was I was a Midwestern conservative boy.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: And they're just saying Wichita.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: But they want, you know, they want they've got and uh they did a brilliant job of casting, I think, for Joan Season.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely 24 different personalities, completely different.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: And they have to think about that.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: That's part of it.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: But I do think I was just uh the guy from the Midwest that they wanted because you look at the other guys, they got surfer boys, they've got finance guys, they've got cowboy from, you know, Iowa or Texas or something like that.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: I agree with you, but to sell the show and to keep everybody interested.
44:50
SPEAKER_01: So you see with sports, and it was back when the Royals played the the St.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: Louis team, the Cardinals, it was they called it the I-70.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: No one watched it because it wasn't the coast.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: And you have you don't have that much of a population.
45:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
45:02
SPEAKER_04: No, I I hear you on that, and definitely from a sports standpoint, they talk a lot about the markets and what sports teams have made, uh, you know, go into that.
45:09
SPEAKER_04: But I do think you both are considered Midwesterners.
45:13
SPEAKER_04: Midwesterners.
45:14
SPEAKER_04: Because Pascal is is has been in Chicago.
45:16
SPEAKER_04: You've set up shop here for millions of years.
45:19
SPEAKER_03: Millions, millions, not that billion, half a million of years.
45:23
SPEAKER_03: Okay, half a million years.
45:24
SPEAKER_04: No, but I mean, and look how so different that you guys are.
45:27
SPEAKER_04: So I do think there's a lot of transplants in Chicago.
45:30
SPEAKER_04: You know, you got people from LA.
45:31
SPEAKER_04: So they could find, they could cast, I think a great um season just with people in Chicago and surrounding uh areas that would probably be diverse and interesting enough.
45:43
SPEAKER_04: But what is the nation gonna watch it?
45:46
SPEAKER_03: Another 10, I think it would be good because you know, as we talk, um Jenny and I talk in our podcast, the age difference between a man and a woman, there is a big discrepancy between what a man likes to date and what a woman could date.
45:59
SPEAKER_03: So I think to me, if the show in your world, but yes.
46:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, in no, it's a ladder word.
46:04
SPEAKER_03: So so if you take a woman from 45 to 75, and you take 20 women from 45 to 75, you take 20 men from 45 to 75, put them in a room and see what happened.
46:16
SPEAKER_04: Well, there's a show that you and I have talked about, not on the air, not on our podcast, but it's called The Age of Attraction.
46:23
SPEAKER_04: It's on I have not watched it yet.
46:26
SPEAKER_04: I have heard, I feel like my husband watched an episode because there right now is a like a six-year-old woman dating a 27-year-old man.
46:36
SPEAKER_04: And so they and that's the idea.
46:37
SPEAKER_04: It's all about you don't know their ages, yeah, and they're just dating.
46:41
SPEAKER_03: I think that'd be interesting.
46:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you should watch it.
46:43
SPEAKER_03: I have I'd watch it.
46:44
SPEAKER_04: Homework for you.
46:45
SPEAKER_03: Okay, she sends me a send me a text, okay?
46:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I don't know.
46:49
SPEAKER_04: We'll see.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: But you know, going back, we all have opinions and what you're interested in and what you'd like or what you'd like to see.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: I've thought I watched a little bit of Bachelor in Paradise.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: Watch my buddy CK on there, uh Kim and uh Keith.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: But I think throw 50 of them at some beach resort, a little bit of all age, and see what happens, because there are some ladies that want younger guys.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: It's just not always, and just see what happens.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: But you like the personalities and you you want to see what happens, the curiosity of it.
47:17
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
47:18
SPEAKER_04: Well, I think we're sort of seeing that too, the age piece play out in uh another one of the shows in the franchise Bachelor Mansion Takeover.
47:27
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's sort of, it's a crossover because it's on HGT.
47:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we'll watch it last night.
47:31
SPEAKER_03: Joe didn't watch it.
47:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we were loving that and we've been talking about it.
47:34
SPEAKER_04: Joan, she's still on, right?
47:35
SPEAKER_03: She's still on, she's still on, yeah.
47:37
SPEAKER_04: And um we were I was very upset that the two Goldens, uh other than Joan, were um, you know, voted off early on.
47:45
SPEAKER_04: Chris and Sandra.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:46
SPEAKER_04: And then, but uh Joan has she's just uh she feels maybe she doesn't feel as separate from the rest of the cast, or she just ingratiated herself more, or but remember one time Joan's been involved with the franchise for the last couple of years.
48:02
SPEAKER_03: So she's been hanging with a lot of young girls, right?
48:05
SPEAKER_03: So she's also young and young at heart.
48:08
SPEAKER_03: She's part of the she's part of the franchise now.
48:10
SPEAKER_03: She's part of the so there is no you don't look at Joan and say, Oh, she's a golden versus the great you she's part of uh of those young kids, and then I think she blends very well into the franchise.
48:21
SPEAKER_03: I think she's done a great job.
48:22
SPEAKER_03: And uh you're gonna be like, We love watching her on that.
48:24
SPEAKER_01: I gotta give her credit because I talked to her this morning because we watched Pastor Ellen and I watched the third episode, and they had this contest where they had to act like a jackhammer jumping in the water or something like that.
48:35
SPEAKER_01: And Joan goes, I was gonna do it.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: She goes, and part of it was this is how competitive or you know, her spirit is she goes, age doesn't have a difference.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna do it, and that's her.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and she wasn't gonna back down and go, hey, I you know, I don't feel comfortable, I don't want to do it.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:52
SPEAKER_01: But it's all been it's all been crazy, it's been entertaining.
48:55
SPEAKER_01: I just wish, you know, this season, I wish the best.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: It's over.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: It's just freaking crazy.
49:01
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
49:01
SPEAKER_04: Okay, we have uh on the Bachelor Mansion takeover.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, not the Bachelor Mansion.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: I was just talking Taylor season.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see.
49:07
SPEAKER_04: You were sort of wrapping that up.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: I love that.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: Yes, that it's over in that it's definitely not gonna be on ABC, so we'll see if it gets picked up.
49:16
SPEAKER_04: Would you watch it?
49:17
SPEAKER_04: Would you watch it?
49:18
SPEAKER_01: Um fair question.
49:21
SPEAKER_01: What I will tell you is none of us knows what's gonna happen.
49:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:24
SPEAKER_01: You know, they're gonna shelf it forever, they're gonna shelf it and then just, you know, do a hard drive delete on it.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: Who really knows?
49:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:32
SPEAKER_01: Um maybe Bravo will pick it up.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: Well, I was wondering, you know, like I mentioned, Jerry Springer, do they sell it to uh, you know, somebody that's just got that shock value?
49:42
SPEAKER_01: Um but you know, I think the other thing is we've got to let this play out and really see what happens.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: But in the in the reality TV world and The Bachelor, this is news.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: And again, hopefully what I'm thinking is hopefully it brings us back a little bit to the middle.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: And I agree with you.
49:59
SPEAKER_01: And because it's interesting reading the comments, there's some people coming out now going, well, it's a train wreck, let's just go ahead and watch it.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: You know, we all know that kind of shock value of what happened, even though we can't validate that.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: And then others going, I don't want any part of it.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: But everybody's got their own opinion.
50:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
50:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
50:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
50:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: I think it'd be interesting to see what's going to develop.
50:17
SPEAKER_03: But what did the shoulder on set of that last night?
50:19
SPEAKER_03: The American Idol?
50:20
SPEAKER_03: American Idol was a rerun.
50:22
SPEAKER_03: It's a rerun.
50:22
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
50:23
SPEAKER_03: So I think I personally think they should rerun the Golden Bachelorette.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: Right.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: That's why, yeah.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: So we were you know, I mean, we were I tried to find it.
50:30
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I I was gonna write the producer, I say, hey guys, dude, I got an idea for you.
50:34
SPEAKER_03: Run the bachelorette, run the episode number three, episode number seven, the mental all.
50:41
SPEAKER_03: I think it'd be good.
50:42
SPEAKER_03: That's where I'm I'm shy.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: You know, I actually think it probably that's just an opinion or just uh, you know, again, a a wag.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: I think it would actually do better now than when it came out because it's interesting.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: I think it's because of the shit shows.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: People go, that was good TV.
50:57
SPEAKER_01: That was it really was.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: It was good TV watching some wholesome, some people get along, that type of thing.
51:03
SPEAKER_04: So I agree.
51:03
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm gonna say the Gary season for me is not a great season.
51:09
SPEAKER_04: I and and what's that?
51:12
SPEAKER_04: No, I'm talking about if we go back to the first one.
51:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Gary, I'm just gonna say this.
51:16
SPEAKER_04: I I don't I think the way he treated Teresa afterward, and I don't even know the whole deal, of course, because I don't know them very well.
51:22
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I know Teresa, she's a a friend of the show, but um, I just think he didn't treat her very well after what it didn't seem in it.
51:30
SPEAKER_04: It didn't seem like a a stand-up guy to me.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: You you go through 10 to 12 weeks and your personality will come out.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't hide it.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: And then especially after the show, is I just don't very few people can't.
51:44
SPEAKER_04: Or you can only hide it for so long.
51:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I think I think I think the way the the way it happened to jump into a marriage without knowing each other, I think that went too fast.
51:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I like the way that Chuck's handling a relationship with Joan.
51:58
SPEAKER_03: They're taking time, they're enjoying each other, they're spending a lot of time together and see what happened in the future.
52:03
SPEAKER_03: You know, we don't need to be married.
52:05
SPEAKER_04: He just really aired a lot of laundry out there, dirty laundry that I just thought was really.
52:10
SPEAKER_04: Yes, horrible.
52:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's right.
52:12
SPEAKER_04: But I thought your season was amazing and Mel's season, while we thought, again, he was not um, he had some shortcomings or limitations, maybe in the on-camera aspect.
52:23
SPEAKER_04: Again, I think he seems like a great guy.
52:25
SPEAKER_04: That's the difference there.
52:26
SPEAKER_04: I think Mel actually, to me, seems like a great guy.
52:29
SPEAKER_04: I just don't think he was great on camera.
52:31
SPEAKER_04: He wasn't main character anything.
52:33
SPEAKER_01: People don't realize how hard that is.
52:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm the guy that just didn't know any better.
52:38
SPEAKER_01: Right.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: Because they go, Did you have any?
52:40
SPEAKER_01: And the other thing is they do a very good job hiding the camera.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: But some people just freeze.
52:45
SPEAKER_01: And it's a friend of yours that got out of the limo that froze.
52:48
SPEAKER_01: And he said he goes, he was going, uh, you know, so it just happens.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: And again, if people think they could get in there and just do a perfect job, it's not that easy.
52:57
SPEAKER_01: It's not that easy.
52:58
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's what you just said.
52:59
SPEAKER_04: It's easier to to do someone else's job or someone run someone else's business than it is, or I have opinions on it.
53:04
SPEAKER_04: So let's leave it there.
53:06
SPEAKER_04: We unless you had anything else that you wanted to.
53:08
SPEAKER_03: Do you have any rapid questions?
53:10
SPEAKER_03: Because you always get rapid questions on it.
53:12
SPEAKER_03: Of course I do.
53:13
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead, shoot.
53:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, wait, do I have rapid questions for you?
53:17
SPEAKER_04: Um, okay.
53:18
SPEAKER_04: Uh one word to describe Pascal chalk.
53:21
SPEAKER_03: You generous.
53:22
SPEAKER_04: Oh, and then you one word to describe chalk.
53:25
SPEAKER_03: Um very um it's two already.
53:29
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
53:30
SPEAKER_03: The very is not a word.
53:32
SPEAKER_03: Uh the very is not a word.
53:33
SPEAKER_03: I would said um good heart.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: Good hearted.
53:37
SPEAKER_04: Okay, I will go with that one.
53:39
SPEAKER_04: Um uh what is your favorite uh vacation?
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Africa.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
53:50
SPEAKER_01: Took my son there this last year, had a ball.
53:52
SPEAKER_01: And actually, Joan was gonna go, but she ended up doing something with Nancy from Indonesia.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: They cruise Mediterranean.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, minute cruise, yeah.
54:00
SPEAKER_04: Your favorite vacation.
54:01
SPEAKER_03: Uh I love the Far East.
54:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:03
SPEAKER_03: India, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand.
54:05
SPEAKER_03: To me, it's it's a completely different word than what we use here in the United States and European.
54:10
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
54:11
SPEAKER_04: Uh a partnership or sponsorship that you would like, uh, or that you actually, how about this?
54:16
SPEAKER_04: That you think Pascal would be great for, and then Pascal, you do one for Gucci Prada.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, right.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the guy's made for it.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is.
54:25
SPEAKER_01: That is.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, when he goes, You got to come to my you've got to come to my closet.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: That we're in the bachelor mansion.
54:31
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, everything was just perfect.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: And and uh but good for him.
54:37
SPEAKER_03: I like my clothes, I like my clothes.
54:39
SPEAKER_03: I like my uh, you know, I that's where I spend my money.
54:42
SPEAKER_03: I like fancy clothes.
54:43
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's for me.
54:44
SPEAKER_03: I'm not doing it for other people for me.
54:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:46
SPEAKER_03: Uh what go ahead.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, and I'm sorry, go ahead.
54:49
SPEAKER_01: I I so to answer that question too is the Cola Guard I really believed in, but they've come out, and I'm not I'm not getting paid by them or anything.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's how applicable it is, how accurate, but they're coming out with a cancer guard that's a blood test.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: So anything proactive to for cancer for your health, I would do as long as it made sense.
55:10
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: So uh because it's I I was trying to get an MRI and it was like three weeks out.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: So many people are as we age, different things.
55:18
SPEAKER_04: So okay, good.
55:19
SPEAKER_04: I love that.
55:20
SPEAKER_03: And for me, I think I think uh you should pursue more uh commercial.
55:24
SPEAKER_03: I think you're very, very, very good at it.
55:27
SPEAKER_03: You get a good presence in camera, and I think that's sometime where I see you do more commercial about uh, you know, health, fitness, or or whatever, you know, like uh to ensure that I mean you've done a great job.
55:39
SPEAKER_03: I appreciate that.
55:40
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
55:40
SPEAKER_04: Um, one um celebrity that you think uh like the archetype that Pascal would maybe be good with George Clooney because they both talk, I did not expect this impeccably.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: And uh Clooney Clooney is a class guy.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: And Pascal, my second trip here, has been a class act.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: He has entertained me.
56:05
SPEAKER_01: We have done my only criticism, he took me to a Bears game and it was 15 degrees.
56:11
SPEAKER_01: And about the third quarter, I mean, there's guys with shirts out and they got babies and all this stuff, and I'm like, I'm going inside.
56:16
SPEAKER_01: You guys can go find me.
56:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm from Kansas, it's cold, but it's not this cold.
56:19
SPEAKER_01: But he's he's and I think it's okay.
56:21
SPEAKER_03: But but I'm I'm I'm gonna take that for I took you to the bear game because you were in Chicago.
56:28
SPEAKER_03: This is not what I do.
56:30
SPEAKER_03: You know that.
56:30
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I was freezing my butt off.
56:32
SPEAKER_03: The man of fact, we went to Target and bought a whole wardrobe to just go to the game.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I don't you should have seen Pascal on Target.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then when he comes to Kansas, I'm taking him to Walmart.
56:45
SPEAKER_00: He's like, I could not I could not believe this.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: This whole suit is a hundred dollars.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: It usually cost me eighteen thousand dollars, and I've got my tailor with me.
56:53
SPEAKER_03: So I couldn't believe that was fifteen hundred and fifty dollars for a pence and a jacket, yeah, and a glove and a hat.
57:01
SPEAKER_04: Right.
57:02
SPEAKER_04: All right, last question because we are out of time.
57:03
SPEAKER_04: But what, Pascal, what do you think about Chuck's hair, given that you are hair is your business?
57:09
SPEAKER_03: I think he's a good-looking guy, he's got a good head of hair.
57:13
SPEAKER_03: I think he's got a good style, he's got a good presence, he's he's he's he's he's pretty conservative.
57:18
SPEAKER_04: You could probably also do like maybe even a hair gel.
57:21
SPEAKER_04: Um not not now, I mean uh if some hair gel or a company.
57:24
SPEAKER_04: I get it.
57:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so everybody's curious about Joan.
57:26
SPEAKER_01: So I gotta tell you about this.
57:28
SPEAKER_01: So, and she's quick out of the back.
57:30
SPEAKER_01: I was married to somebody that was not quick.
57:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and so she's quick.
57:33
SPEAKER_01: I have no complaints there.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: But I am 3.2 seconds.
57:37
SPEAKER_01: I can get out, take a towel to that, and just go like that, and I'm gone.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: And she does not like me for that.
57:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is just, and I've been fortunate my dad has a full head of hair.
57:46
SPEAKER_01: And okay, here's a this guy in my office.
57:48
SPEAKER_01: I hope he's gonna watch this, but he's losing his hair and he's doing the comb over.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
57:54
SPEAKER_01: And I said something, my daughter knows him, and I go, I gotta say something.
57:57
SPEAKER_01: She goes, A man with hair cannot say anything to another man about the combover or something like that.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: But uh, he's a good guy.
58:04
SPEAKER_04: That's a hard thing.
58:05
SPEAKER_04: That would be a hard thing, yeah.
58:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but they get some good gel for you, Pascal Pourell gel.
58:10
SPEAKER_03: Right.
58:11
SPEAKER_03: You know, I get a whole line of product, I'd be more than happy to send it to you.
58:16
SPEAKER_01: You do, you know.
58:17
SPEAKER_01: So I let me I'm gonna close on my end if I can, though, is I've watched you guys from day one.
58:21
SPEAKER_01: I think you do a great job.
58:23
SPEAKER_01: You're a very good interviewer, very, and with Pascal and with all the guys we've talked about it, you know what you get.
58:29
SPEAKER_01: And I do have to respect him because he's always been very upfront and honest.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: So, and I think that's what America wants instead of the gonna be politically correct or something like that.
58:40
SPEAKER_01: Because I've seen you call out some people or give your opinion.
58:43
SPEAKER_01: The good thing is if you're on the negative side of it, don't tell it's just somebody's opinion.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: But your viewership has really grown up, and I'm I'm proud of you guys.
58:50
SPEAKER_01: And that's the reason why I was here too.
58:52
SPEAKER_01: It was uh a friendship with Pal Pascal asked me to come, but then also if I can do anything for you, let me know.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: Because I wish you guys the most success.
59:01
SPEAKER_03: Thank you, thank you.
59:01
SPEAKER_03: I'm very happy that you were here.
59:03
SPEAKER_03: And like I said to you when we walk here, you have a home in Chicago.
59:06
SPEAKER_03: Anytime you want to come here, you're more than welcome.
59:09
SPEAKER_03: You know that.
59:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and just you know, as you go forward, be that open and honest because we all believe that the the series, the franchise was good to us, but you can be open and go, hey, I don't like this.
59:21
SPEAKER_01: Or you got a second, I got another story to tell you.
59:23
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, okay, yeah.
59:24
SPEAKER_01: So uh we're at the happy couples, and the fans will know about the happy couples.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: After you select, okay, you know, you you say, Okay, I want to be with this person.
59:32
SPEAKER_01: The network will have you come spend a certain amount of time, and it's to keep your relationship going.
59:37
SPEAKER_01: Very smart that they do this.
59:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
59:39
SPEAKER_01: So we went, uh, because before they fill or before they air the final, we go, we want six of these, and they go, We've only done like two or three.
59:48
SPEAKER_01: And I go, Well, I got the money, we're gonna go see each other.
59:50
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Well, people can't, we can't break the secret or anything like that.
59:54
SPEAKER_01: So we go do it, and um, yeah, where was I going with the story?
59:58
SPEAKER_01: But uh I think it's age.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_04: I know, no, you were you were saying just around how good-hearted and that you could always tell people you should always say what you want, what challenge things and and so yeah, you you go through these happy couples.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't who knows.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_01: I've I've lost it.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_01: So uh, but uh the happy couples, and that is something really cool.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_01: But I will tell you, in some of the the series that they've had, that's where people have gone, you're not the right person.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh, is you spend that time together because we had some that were like four or five days.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: Got it.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_01: So our first one, I showed up at this incredible house that they had rented.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I give Joan a hug and I go, Tell me about yourself, because it was the first time we were together.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_01: And then we only had five minutes, she had to go film something.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_01: She came back and I cooked her dinner.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_01: And it was just it was a lot of fun.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_04: But I think you were going that that you need to challenge things, even if you agree to everything, even though you're or you're part of something, to challenge it in the right way.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_04: But and I think your challenge was probably we need more of these because this is real.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_01: Um it's and it's and it's give people a chance.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_01: You just never know.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_01: But be objective, and I think oh, I would know what I was gonna say is that happy couples.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_01: So since I hadn't watched any of the series, Joan goes, I'm gonna have you watch one.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_01: And this was 2015 or 16, and it was a female lead with 24 guys.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_01: And within five minutes of the first one, there was a guy I didn't like.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_01: And it's amazing, and we've talked to people, and that's part of it too.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_01: It's just it was it somebody that traumatized you when you were younger, and this was probably a third-generation rich kid that never worked, you know, it had the slick back hair, and I'm going, I don't like that guy.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_01: So it's just be objective and then you know, give him a chance because there are people that come on, and I will tell you, Gil, at first he was kind of a shy guy, but from Joan's season, what a great guy! Wow, wow, what a good human being.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he is really a good guy, and I'm I'm proud to count him as a friend.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_01: Wonderful.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_04: Well, I'll I will end on this.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_04: We did a quick poll on Instagram to ask who our um followers loved, which couple they loved the most.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_04: Of course, they love everyone, but you know, you and Joan, uh, I think it was Trista and Ryan and Catherine and Sean, and then we gave them an opportunity to give another couple, and you guys were it was overwhelmingly Joan and Chalk.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_04: So we're all rooting for you.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_04: Um thank you again for making time for us today and for coming on.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_04: I've just had a ball.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_01: So you guys, we're gonna, I'm gonna get Pascal back to Kansas.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go hunting, fishing, and uh go four-wheelers and we're gonna leave.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get him dirty.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do it.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna take him to Walmart.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna make him eat day old P.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_04: I would love to see, I would love to see some mud on Pascal.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_04: So that sounds great.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_04: We'll see it.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_04: Um thanks again for uh listening and watching, and subscribe.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_03: Subscribe.