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Healing and the Soul with Joshua Cameron · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: and signing up today. Welcome to the Trauma Nevers podcast,
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  Speaker 1: a show about the incredible people dedicated to helping those
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  Speaker 1: who experienced trauma. My name is got macpherson, and my
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  Speaker 1: mission is to raise awareness of trauma and to inspire
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  Speaker 1: each of us to help those around us. You ready
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  Speaker 1: to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Joshua, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: So five or three, two and one, our folks, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the podcast. The thrilled to have back Joshua Camra. Joshua,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you holding space
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  Speaker 2: for me again.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. So, Joshua's combat veteran who specializes in helping those
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  Speaker 1: who are caught in a life of chronic ain, whether
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  Speaker 1: that be emotional or physical, helps them heal through the
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  Speaker 1: healing the spirit and following Dallas principles of inviting flow
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  Speaker 1: where there are blocks in our energy. You spent over
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  Speaker 1: ten years in the medical field, from combat medic in
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  Speaker 1: the army to pediatric medical Research and Data Analysis at
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  Speaker 1: the University of Utah. Joshua. Well, welcome back. So before
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  Speaker 1: we go in here, share with our listeners where you're
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  Speaker 1: from originally and where you were.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a great question. Born and raised in
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake. You know, in nineteen I ended up joining
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  Speaker 2: the army, and you know, it was abroad for I. See,
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  Speaker 2: I was in the army for about four years. During
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  Speaker 2: that time, you know, I went to Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria,
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  Speaker 2: and that was you know, eight days after September eleventh,
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  Speaker 2: so it was a weird time. And then in January
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  Speaker 2: of two thousand and three is when we geared up
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  Speaker 2: to go to Kuwait and Iran. And then I spent
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  Speaker 2: seven years in Indiana after that and then came back
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  Speaker 2: to Salt Lake area.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So were those people who maybe didn't catch the
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  Speaker 1: previous episode or the initial episode. Bring us up to
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  Speaker 1: speed here, how did all this start?
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  Speaker 2: For you?
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  Speaker 1: Give us give us the thumbnail sketch, and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: dive in.
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  Speaker 2: All start as far as just my healing practice and
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  Speaker 2: kind of how all that works. Sure, well, trying to
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  Speaker 2: keep that down to thumbnail sketch. There was an explosion
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  Speaker 2: of chaos in my world. Some of that was I
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  Speaker 2: started a new job January of twenty twenty because what
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  Speaker 2: could go wrong with that? The job was, Hey, we
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  Speaker 2: have no idea what we're doing, and this was the
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  Speaker 2: data analysis. We have no idea what we're doing, so
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  Speaker 2: we need somebody coming and show us what we're doing
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  Speaker 2: wrong because clearly we don't know what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I was using new software programs, so
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  Speaker 2: I had to learn all that. And then by March,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we you know, the University Utah has never
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  Speaker 2: had any sort of you know, remote you know work.
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  Speaker 2: We had to figure that out. I didn't know any
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  Speaker 2: of the you know, different you know, practitioners. I was
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  Speaker 2: working with other administrative manager, so I had to figure
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  Speaker 2: that out. I had to make all these different relationships well.
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  Speaker 2: At the same time, I was also separating from my
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  Speaker 2: wife and I moved into a you know, I bought
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  Speaker 2: a condo that was like an old style apartment, and
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  Speaker 2: I had, you know, somebody who's living below me, who
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  Speaker 2: I can't say for one hundred percent a surety that
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  Speaker 2: he was a tweaker, but he acted very much like
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  Speaker 2: a tweaker. Blastings music at all times of the day,
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  Speaker 2: shaking my floor literally at eighty decibels. Couldn't get away
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  Speaker 2: from it for months and months and months, no way
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  Speaker 2: to help me out. And you know, as a combat veteran,
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  Speaker 2: you can, I'm sure you can imagine just how vulgar
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  Speaker 2: that is. So I've got, you know, this chaos that's
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  Speaker 2: threatening my mental health. I've got the chaos of trying
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  Speaker 2: to you know, sustain my livelihood this you know, this
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  Speaker 2: new job, and then you know COVID happening. I came
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  Speaker 2: from research, and you know, any credible researcher would say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know whether my research is safe and effective.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look at the data. And then we seem to
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  Speaker 2: have bureaucrats, you know in the news, that were saying
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  Speaker 2: something different. But all the researchers were torn the line
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  Speaker 2: with what the bureaucrats are saying, like, well, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: something doesn't sit right. So I had this weird like,
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  Speaker 2: well what do I do?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I was at this impasse. I have to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: find this new way of life and that Jordan Peterson
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  Speaker 2: came into my life and he secularized the Bible for me, well,
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  Speaker 2: mainly Genesis, and I was like you know, I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard I've never heard biblical wisdom put in this way.
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  Speaker 2: So with that said, is our room for God? This
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  Speaker 2: God right that that he's talking about is the room
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  Speaker 2: for God in my life? And that changed everything. I
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  Speaker 2: started having mentors coming into my life that then started
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  Speaker 2: giving me glimpses of Okay, well this is the next
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  Speaker 2: step to take. Okay, this is the next step of take. Well,
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  Speaker 2: here's a path to walk. And as you walk the path, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well here's the next step to take. And that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a nutshell, you know how it happened. It's just
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  Speaker 2: extreme chaos that shook the crack foundation that I was
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  Speaker 2: standing upon, because I would know had a foundation built
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  Speaker 2: a bitter political you know, you know, uh angst, and
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  Speaker 2: that had to crumble so I could become a new person.
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  Speaker 1: So, for those who aren't familiar, Jordan Peterson is a
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  Speaker 1: what popular speaker, thought leader.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a Canadian psychologist, though they did they
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  Speaker 2: did take away his license because he didn't really like
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  Speaker 2: the idea of compelled speech and because he wasn't nice
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter, which seems a little silly, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Is it fair? To say he's somewhat controversial.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say, though I don't fully
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  Speaker 2: understand why he's controversial, right, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think he I mean, I've seen him, I've
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  Speaker 1: listened to him speak several times. I've caught him on
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  Speaker 1: certain podcasts. He he's very direct, he's very blunt. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I think it is fair to say he's polarizing, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why. I'm not knowledgeable enough about
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  Speaker 1: him to say why. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that is part of what drew
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  Speaker 2: me to him that I didn't necessarily you know, these
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  Speaker 2: weren't like you know, you know, cognizing ideas. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: this intellectual you know, debate of oh I should go
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  Speaker 2: and follow Jordan Peterson. It was just something he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about that was drawing my soul and there's some
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  Speaker 2: sort of truth. I think that's a big issue that
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  Speaker 2: we have that we have, right I. You know, one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite series of movies is The Matrix. And
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  Speaker 2: you could argue that The Matrix is, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: greatest documentary ever created. Now it's very hollywoodized, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you think about it, we were born into an
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  Speaker 2: environment where our name is chosen for us. And our
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  Speaker 2: name is the most important thing in our lives. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: many studies show that's the it's the most beautiful sound
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  Speaker 2: that we can ever hear, is our name. We never
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  Speaker 2: chose it. Our religion is not chosen, or we don't
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  Speaker 2: choose our religion. It's chosen for us. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: don't choose our you know, geographic you know area, or
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  Speaker 2: you know, culture, it's chosen for us. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: even things like media. You know, if you watch the
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  Speaker 2: media that tells you how to think. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we in nineteen ninety six we went from fifty giant
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  Speaker 2: media companies down to six. So now just the funnel
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  Speaker 2: of where we can get information, you know, has been
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  Speaker 2: so narrowed, and so there's really it's such a hard
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  Speaker 2: ability to expand our view with such a narrow pipeline,
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  Speaker 2: and with the explosion of things like you know, YouTube
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  Speaker 2: allows people like Jordan Peterson, where the love or hate him,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to to break through. And then that expansion
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  Speaker 2: also has a way of you know, letting you know,
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  Speaker 2: letting go of things that no longer serve us.
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  Speaker 1: So you've had this background in the military, You've had
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  Speaker 1: certain experiences there that have impacted you. Talked about what
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  Speaker 1: happened a few years ago living in that apartment with
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  Speaker 1: with the environment there. Hearing Jordan Peterson, what did how
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  Speaker 1: did that impact? What did you do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Right, well that.
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  Speaker 2: So there were a few things that Jordan Peterson, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mentioned to me that really stuck with me.
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  Speaker 2: One was if people aren't interesting to you, you're not
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  Speaker 2: listening hard enough. I say, whoaa, wait a minute, I've
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  Speaker 2: been discounting people like oh, this person doesn't have anything
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  Speaker 2: of interest to say, Well, they're just idiots.
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  Speaker 1: And so I.
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  Speaker 2: Stopped to say, wait a minute, have I just been
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  Speaker 2: in a hole this whole time? Pooh, I've just been
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  Speaker 2: in ale this whole time. Holy account. And so like,
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  Speaker 2: I felt good that I no longer had to hold
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  Speaker 2: onto this.
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  Speaker 1: It was a.
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  Speaker 2: Revealing of my shadow that I felt great that I
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  Speaker 2: could actually, you know, one, let that go and to
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  Speaker 2: incorporate that. And then two I felt called I had
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  Speaker 2: a vision of a podium. By that vision, I knew
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  Speaker 2: I had to go speak out an LDS church. I
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  Speaker 2: had no idea how I was supposed to do that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, am I just supposed to go to the bashop
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  Speaker 2: and say, hey, bro, got a vision from heaven. You
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  Speaker 2: got to move aside. It's time for me to speak. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I figured out that the first Sunday of every month,
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  Speaker 2: that's what they call Fast and Testimonial meeting, where anybody
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  Speaker 2: does not matter whether you're a member or not, anybody
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  Speaker 2: in their congregation can go up and you know, for
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  Speaker 2: five minutes, share their you know, share their testimony. And
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  Speaker 2: so I started doing that, and he talked about the
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  Speaker 2: best thing that we can do is create our highest
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  Speaker 2: idea of goodness, of which we can conceive and make
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  Speaker 2: ourselves worthy of it by you know, by becoming it.
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  Speaker 2: I embodying it. And so as I'm in the congregation
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  Speaker 2: listening to people, you know, I could again start making
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  Speaker 2: fun of them, because you know, you might hear four
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  Speaker 2: or five, six, seven people in a single day say
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  Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. I know in my heart that Joseph
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  Speaker 2: Smith is a one true prophet of God, and I
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  Speaker 2: know in my heart that the Book of Mormon is
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  Speaker 2: one true word of God. And I know this to
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  Speaker 2: be true because it's my personal testimonial. And somebody else
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  Speaker 2: will say some approximation the exact same thing over and
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  Speaker 2: over but instead of judging them, I said, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is their highest ideal of goodness, so what's mine? And
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  Speaker 2: so then I started taking my highest ideal of goodness
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  Speaker 2: from a low resolution into a high resolution. By the
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  Speaker 2: third time I shared my testimony, I mean I had
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  Speaker 2: it and it was all around Gandalf, which you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, definitely is no surprise. Gandalf, you know, is
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  Speaker 2: written by Tolkien to effectively be Jesus of Middle Earth.
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  Speaker 2: He's very secular in nature. He's not interested in judging people,
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  Speaker 2: He's interested in results. He definitely has a faith component,
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  Speaker 2: but he also has an action component. He you know
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  Speaker 2: where you know. Frodo is like, hey, somebody should have
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  Speaker 2: put you know, goli out of his misery. He immediately says, well, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm pretty sure that Golm still has something
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  Speaker 2: to play. And you know, who are who are we?
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  Speaker 2: You know, who are we to you know condemn judgment?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: You know there's enough killing going on. They Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: like this. There's there's something beautiful about this, And it
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  Speaker 2: felt like it encapsulated the heart and soul of the
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  Speaker 2: Jesus that I heard about. So it gave me a
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  Speaker 2: clear line to Jesus while also being much more safe
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  Speaker 2: because you know, growing up again in the matrix, well
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  Speaker 2: I had I I found that I was judging Jesus horizontally. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what are what are the people saying? And what are
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  Speaker 2: the people doing that you know espouse that they follow Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're going to follow God or Jesus or
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  Speaker 2: something you know transcendential, it's got to be vertical, right,
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  Speaker 2: because they transcend the human condition. And you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: all flawed, We're all going to make mistakes, We're all
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  Speaker 2: going to have our problems. And if we're going to
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  Speaker 2: judge something you know, perfect or divine by a flawed human,
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  Speaker 2: well then that's our own thinging. And so when we
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  Speaker 2: see these flaws and we see these things that we
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  Speaker 2: don't like. Listening to Jordan Peterson really helped me understand, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is just my shadow, right, Why did I get
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  Speaker 2: so caught up in politics?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Because that was my shadow. Why was I so anti Trump?
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  Speaker 2: Because there was some part of authoritarianism within me that
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  Speaker 2: I could not deal with. It's say, oh, that's why
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  Speaker 2: I got triggered so much, because I was spending so
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  Speaker 2: much time alienating this and this is something that Ken
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  Speaker 2: Wilber talks about a lot as well, if you're familiar
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  Speaker 2: with that great philosopher.
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  Speaker 1: So what have you done with this? I mean my
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  Speaker 1: understanding is that you were working with people said, you
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  Speaker 1: wrote a book. How are you kind of manifesting this?
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  Speaker 1: How are you taking action on this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful question and I appreciate it. And so
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  Speaker 2: on July twenty first, here in Salt Lake City, actually
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  Speaker 2: going to be hosting a live event a wonderful gentleman,
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  Speaker 2: Drew Vernick, who is, you know, monically trained in sound
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  Speaker 2: sound bathing using crystal bowls and wooden flutes. He is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, He and I are gonna, you know, host
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  Speaker 2: a ceremony for people to show up and they get
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  Speaker 2: experience a There's gonna be a cacao ceremony to help,
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  Speaker 2: you know, cacaws traditionally meant as a heart opener. And
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  Speaker 2: there's this there's this quote that I love that my
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  Speaker 2: great master Ed Stracher, who taught me how to heal,
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  Speaker 2: said that the heart has no questions and the mind
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  Speaker 2: has no answers. So when you open the heart right,
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  Speaker 2: you may not necessarily know exactly what to do with right,
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  Speaker 2: like you asked the question what am I doing? What
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  Speaker 2: are the actions I'm taking? You may not necessarily know
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  Speaker 2: what to do yet with the answers that you have,
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  Speaker 2: but in the hearder where the answers are, and then
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  Speaker 2: with the harmonic vibrations of the sound bath, get people
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  Speaker 2: in an equilibrium state and then take them through a
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  Speaker 2: guided meditation that I'm going to put on. My book
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  Speaker 2: that I wrote was really a lot about my tripping
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  Speaker 2: and falling and landing on my face and what do
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  Speaker 2: I do that? You know, what do I do that?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I spent a lot of time taking you know,
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  Speaker 2: psychedelic drugs. I talk about, you know, kind of my
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  Speaker 2: journey with there, because that was my hijacking into a
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  Speaker 2: transcendental you know, state of mind or transcendental state of being.
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  Speaker 2: Before I fully understood that, I could, you know, really
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  Speaker 2: just close my eyes and meditate and get there as well.
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  Speaker 2: Now it may not necessarily be as fun, right because
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  Speaker 2: you know, drugs, you know, like it or not, there's
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  Speaker 2: certainly a fun you know involved there, but yeah, really
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  Speaker 2: the point of the book was like, look, no matter
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  Speaker 2: what sort of gifts you have, we all are having
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  Speaker 2: this human experience and you know, we're never going to
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  Speaker 2: be at this place where like, yes, I finally, finally
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  Speaker 2: I made it, and really just wanted to say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if you have these great gifts that can benefit the world,
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  Speaker 2: it's okay to be flawed. It's okay to be human, right,
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay to be you know, to be different,
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  Speaker 2: and not to put ourselves in a place where we
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  Speaker 2: need to be on a pedestal, because the second we
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  Speaker 2: do that, well, then we are alienating ourselves from the
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  Speaker 2: community and from the human connection, right, because if we're
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  Speaker 2: we're elevating ourselves, you know, by we are inversely dehumanizing
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  Speaker 2: and de elevating, right others. And and also if we're
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  Speaker 2: elevating ourselves, that's also a dehumanization, right, because we're lifting
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  Speaker 2: up our own status. And so that's really what the
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  Speaker 2: book was about. And as far as like the types
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  Speaker 2: of people that I've you know, are the conditions that
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  Speaker 2: I've worked with. You know, there's torn torn tendons, right,
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  Speaker 2: help we grow tendons, which apparently you know, medicine will
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  Speaker 2: say it's impossible, probably because we don't have a pill
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  Speaker 2: to take to be able to help with that. Helping
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  Speaker 2: pain from cervical dystonia, spinal stenosis, you know, severe arthritis,
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  Speaker 2: also even you know depression. I mainly focus on pysical,
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  Speaker 2: uh chronic pain, but I found that I've had people
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  Speaker 2: come to me and it gave me a good opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, well let me work with this person.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure as I understand that the soul being
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  Speaker 2: the government, the governing agent of the mind and body,
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  Speaker 2: you heal the soul, it's going to heal the minded body. Well,
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  Speaker 2: let me take my hypothesis and let me move it
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  Speaker 2: forward and see where the results are. Well, I've worked
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  Speaker 2: with people like in New Zealand who were experiencing such
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  Speaker 2: severe depression that it actually has a somatic effect. They
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  Speaker 2: start getting you know, itchy welts all over their body
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  Speaker 2: that can't help but just scratch and leaving there.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a hold on a second. Let me So
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about your work as a healer, and this
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  Speaker 1: comes from where were you just born a healer? Did
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  Speaker 1: you go to school? Did you study under some shaman?
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  Speaker 1: Where does this come from?
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  Speaker 2: A great question. So the first part where it was
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  Speaker 2: at born with it, Well, you could say yes, because
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  Speaker 2: as Jesus said, right, even the least amongst you can
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  Speaker 2: do you know as great and greater things, right, So
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  Speaker 2: it really just comes down to are you listening to
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  Speaker 2: the truth within your heart?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Anybody who is healed? One Jesus didn't heal anyone who
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: didn't ask for it, but two he would He didn't
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: go huzzah, look at me, I'm the man I healed you.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: He said, by your faith, you're a healed and so
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: as I, you know, in this chaotic time. So Jordan
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Peterson then led me to sad Guru and you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: so here's this Indian mystic. I never would have thought
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I'd be listening to an Indian mystic. And so this
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Indian mystic and really listening to him, then introduced me
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: to Peter Sage. Okay, so instead of just Indian mysticism,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: So then how do I get even more practical? Well,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and then here's Peter Say, who back in like two
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: thousand and three was like the youngest you know Tony
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: robbins uh instructor, and he is big on this, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: transcendental journey of helping people find their in life and
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: then also what to do about that, And through Peter
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: is how I met Ed Stracher, and by working with Ed,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean when he took us through and
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: we met for the training ended up being about three
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: months overall. But when we first started working together the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: first day, right, he's taken us through within like an
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: hour and a half. He actually brought in live participants
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to show us that we could do what he says
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: that we can do. And you know, I had a
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: lady who had she said that she had libido issues.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I was no strange place because she didn't have her
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: camera on and so I couldn't even see her respond,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: so I had to elicit information just asking, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: talking to her. Afterwards, I took her through like a
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: five minute micro meditation and she told me she literally
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: felt where her ovars were, that she could actually feel
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: something flicking it, as if the energy there, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you know, was stagnant and not flowing, and something was
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: almost like kicking it trying to get it to flow.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, holy crap, that's incredible. And you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: whether it's like the placebo effect, Well, who cares, right
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like Andrew wil says, right, well, placebo effect, Well, why
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: aren't we chasing the police? Boal effect? Cause obviously there's
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: something real there. Obviously our brain is able to take
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: something and alchemize it into something real, So why why
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: aren't we chasing that? And yeah, so he convinced me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Ed Stracher convinced me just the reality of this. And
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: then when you take a step back and you understand that,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you know, our eyes can only perceive less than one
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: half of one percent of the entire electromagnetic spectrum, So
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: what's out there?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Cosmically we're blind, and so for us to walk around
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and say, well, seeing is believing, there's a certain absurdity
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: H So, you know, you said you made a reference
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: with the Bible saying that, well, the least among us
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: can do the greatest. I'm not too I think the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: least among us oftentimes don't believe that they can do that. Sure, right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: but obviously you have this belief and this sense and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: this feeling that you can heal. Was that there, for example,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: when you were in the military.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. That's such a great question.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I was an angry teenager that chip on my shoulder
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: that was so big I couldn't see past it, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: so it took a long time for me to really
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: get over that, and working with Ed really helped me
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: dissolve a lot of that. I mean, Jordan Peterson really
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: started putting big chunks in that foundation, you know, of
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that that tower of babble of like this hatred is
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you know, all there is, and this angst and this
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: anger at the world is all there is. And you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Ed really helped me. Does alve that. Peter really helped
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: me give me.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Practical His name is Ed Stracher. Yeah s t R
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: A C h a ar. How did he help you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Just by one teaching me and then two giving me
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the certainty? Right, Jesus said, by your faith, you're a
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: healed Okay, well, you know how does the placebo effect work?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: The Poltibal effect doesn't work if I don't believe and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: they just take a sugar pill. The placebo effect works
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: because you've got somebody who is in a position of
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: authority that says, hey, if you take this this very
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: well may actually save your life, you know, or it
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: may heal you or whatever, you know, whatever they tell you, right,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: because it certainly isn't what I do, certainly isn't practicing medicine.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: But they take it and then their mind makes it real.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And so what I do is I I effectively you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: heal the soul, which sounds weird, and I then guide people.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I guide people that then accept that. Right, they still
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: have to do their part, because if they don't have
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the faith, that they aren't actually accepting the healing with
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: they're not going to heal. But I can't kick down
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: their door and you know, you know, you know, put
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that you know, their arm, you know, in some sort
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of arm bar, and you know, start punching the kidneys
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and telling them and you know, you're going to heal
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: whether you.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Like it or not.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Right, it's you know, they they have to do their part,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and they have to want it, and they also have
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to petition and ask because they don't want it, well,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: they're not going to heal, right because there's there's nothing
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in it for them. They don't they you know, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: even if they don't believe that they have that true
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: desire that they want, well, then I can give them
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the certainty. Right, And that's what happened with the you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the the apostles. Whether you believe the Bible the way
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it's written or not, which I certainly don't. I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it's a wonderful allegory of you know, metaphors, but being
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: around somebody of the guru who has that much certainty
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: can absolutely change your lives. And that's really what he did.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: So in terms of the healing that you were doing,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: what what what specifically are you doing?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Well exactly that, all right? And so the thing is
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: is words are clumsy, right, there's things that you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Alan Watts talks about, you know, because if we talk
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: about and we break down the way that a flower
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: works and breaks it down to its anatomy, how it
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: how it you know, changes the sunlight into sugars, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, this is so complex. Well no,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it isn't. It's only complex when we really start thinking
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: about it. And so effectively, what I do is I
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: get people out.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Of their head.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Right. Lootsa, the great uh you know master who wrote
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the data chain, you know, is quoted saying that when
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the mind is still, the universe surrenders it, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: surrenders itself, and or rather the universe surrenders to the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: still mind. And so my job is to get your
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: mind still, you know, And as I'm taking you down
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: deep into a meditation, I can tune in and be like, hey,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you know, guy, your your mind's on three percent, which
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: isn't bad, but zero is better. You allow your mind
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to go more still than ever has before, so you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: don't block yourself, and then I guide you to also
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: open your heart, sometimes through smiling, sometimes through jokes. Ed
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: is really good at naughty jokes. And you know, just
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: because that when you're smiling and you're laughing, your mind's
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: not on, your mind's not active because you're just you're
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: just in the moment and you're present. And so there's
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of just you know, helping people get out
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of their head so that way they actually get their heart.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And the heart is the gateway to the soul. And
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: you know, and you know these this is my map
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of the world, and the map isn't necessarily the territory.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Uh And you know, how does this all work? Well?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: In some ways it's above my pay grade. But you know,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: in the you know, clumsy way in which words operate,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: this is about the best approximation that I can give.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: So people come to you for what type of healing?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: What what were you calling this type of feeling that
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you're doing or offering? Soul healing.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: What say that last party on?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I said, what type of healing are you offering people
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: providing for people?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I healed their soul and then there there their
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: body heals their their body heals themself and by allowed
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: by accepting that. And so as far as I know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: there is no there is no there is no physical
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: obstacle like there's no like, well, I have this disease
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that can't be healed. Uh. And you know, many cultures,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: especially Eastern cultures, you know, really believe in reincarnation, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: this is where things can get a little weird. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I certainly live in the weird, so I
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: don't mind. But let's just say that, you know, in reincarnation,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you were a general weird one time, right, exactly more weird.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So let's say that one day, you know, in you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: former life, you were a general. And if you were
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: a general, you went and you raised an entire city, right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you were like a Roman. You went and salted the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: earth as well, nothing could grow. Well, you know, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: karma is action, So this is the action you took.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: So what action you're going to take to redeem that? Well,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that's what the next life is for and so maybe
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: maybe in order to redeem that action, you were born
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in a place where you were a victim of that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: exact circumstance, or maybe you were a spartan in a
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: former life where there's somebody who has some sort of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you know, physical deformity and you just leave them out
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: to die, right, to just succumb to the to the elements. Well,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: then maybe in the next life you were then born
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: with this ravage body that you know, is you know, paralyzed,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know what you know, or you know, childhood cancer,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you know whatever that is? Again, why does this happen
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: above my pay grade? But having this map of the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: world it helps me kind of come to terms of that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't we say, I'm kind of getting lost here?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: What do you mean your map of the world? What
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: does that mean?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It just means that the one the map is not
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the territory. So if I have an at list and
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get from here to Wyoming, I'm going
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to be able to follow certain roads. Those roads aren't
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: going to be able to tell me if there's a pothole.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Those roads aren'ting to be able to tell me there's
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: roadkill there. Those roads aren't going to tell me what
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: other cars are on the road. Well, there obstacles are
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: going to run into, but it gives me a general
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: idea of kind of the layout. And so the way
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that I'm explaining is effectively a map in the way
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: in which I look at how this all works out.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I can't explain to you what sort of obstacles that
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: you're going to run into on your journey, right, because
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that's that's I just don't have that right to tell
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you how your life is going to play out. But
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I can give you a meaningful map based upon what
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I've seen and that Does that make sense?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. So if you're healing people's souls,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that means that someone's soul needs need healing. Sure, And
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: what does that mean when someone's soul needs healing.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's been drained by something, right, So, Uh, you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: we get our energy from things outside of our bodies, right, exogenous? Right,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: We eat things and then we incorporate whatever we eat
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: into the you know, we break it down for energy. Well,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you know, the matrix. While the fourth matrix wasn't the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: best you know, representation of the overall matrix storyline, Uh,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: they did have a very interesting part where the matrix
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: is now run by the emotions that are given off
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: by Neo and trinity. And and so you know, why
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: does the news constantly try to put us into a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: state of fear, into a state of panic?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Why do you know it's come out that at a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: lot of controversy. Again, I don't want to get too
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: far down the rabbit hole, but controversies that come up
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in order to make people very afraid. Well, again, if
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: we can only see less than one half of one
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: percent of the electro magnetic spectrum, perhaps there's some other
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: being basically feeds off the energy that we are giving.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And if we're giving out that energy freely because we
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: have you know, we have the free will to watch
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the news. We have the free will to allow ourselves
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to be scared, but the free will to allow ourselves
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: to be angry, Well, then they're effectively feeding off this.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And as they're feeding off this, well, it's draining the soul.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Now where you know, you might say, well, if the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: soul is drained, well, then you know how do you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: get it back? Well, because you have the sovereign right
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to your soul's energy, and you can bring it right back.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So when you say soul, we're not talking about one's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: or are we talking about one's body or one's mind
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: or one's essence. I'm getting a little lost here. If
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: someone comes to you in says they feel depressed, are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you looking are you looking that? Looking at that and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: meeting that person and saying, oh, there's something going on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: with one soul?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Again A great question. So first I tune in to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: find out, like, hey, is are there any sort of
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: affirmities right with the soul?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Is there something there that's perhaps draining them? So first
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I have to identify that I'm not a you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I don't work as a neuroscientist, so I'm not there
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to diagnose what's going on with the brain. What I
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: know is that you know our you know, inside our bodies, right,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: we were built from a single cell, and so that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: same intelligence is still there. But since you know, we
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: we have effectively allowed ourselves and programmed ourselves to then say, oh,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: well I need to give authority over to you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: X y Z, whether that be a doctor, whether that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: be a pill, whether that be you know, religious practice. Well,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: then I no longer have the ability to heal myself.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I no longer have the ability to, you know, prevent
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: myself from being angry whatever that is. So we're freely giving,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: giving our energy over we're getting our soul is effectively
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: getting fed off of. And then I help people reclaim
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that soul's energy, and by walking through the guided meditation,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: then I help them by accept that and so they
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: still have to do their acceptance part. And then that's
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: what you know. By seeing and feeling, they're healing. Right
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Jesus said, by your faith, you're healed. And so I
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: help them find the faith through my own certainty and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: get getting out of their head because the head's going
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, is this really working, Well, that's going
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to block you. The heart knows what's true and what's not,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: so I really help them get in that heart space.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know again, I don't know if this fully
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: answers your questions because words are very clumsy in this space. Right,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: But this, you know again, is the map of the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: world I've created.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Look, Joshua, how do people reach you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: if they want to get in touch with you and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: learn more about your meditaians you're offering the events you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: putting on what's the best way.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I really appreciate that. So right now
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I've really limited the amount of people that I'm working with.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: So if you really do want to reach out to me,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to accept an email. He can send it
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to eighty six Joshua I Am at gmail dot com,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and then I'll be happy to converse with you. It's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: actually an idea that I got from one of the
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: great masters that trained you know ed, you know, Raymond Grace.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: You know, people just email him. So yeah, that's actually
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a really simple way because I have a few different
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: irons in the fire, and then that way it's a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: great way for me just to interact and figure out, Hey,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: am I the right person too? You know, because I'm
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I'm certainly not here to try to fix anyone, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I'm here to help people who are you know, truly
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and earnestly seeking.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, once again, that's eighty six and number eight and six.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, number Joshua I am at gmail dot com.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Okay at gmail, And I'll have that listen here at
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the show page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Joshua as always very informative, very inspiring and I got
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to say it took me outside of my certainly knowledge base,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but you kind of mentioned a lot of interesting people
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: which will also have linked up here. Appreciate you being on,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you holding the space and allow me to speak.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And I hope I didn't do too much of a
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: flyby for for for people, all right, man, Thank you.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks Bob. The Home of Sin s