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Andre Ewing - Violence over the holiday time off · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Kashiabato six hre of fifty five kr CEV talk station.
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Speaker 1: A very happy Monday too, and a very happy New
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Speaker 1: Year to everyone. Nice to be back to work, Nice
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Speaker 1: to be firing on at least a few of my cylinders,
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Speaker 1: and it is always great. I love this man. Brother
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Speaker 1: Andrea Ewing would call him Brother Dre. You can find
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Speaker 1: him online and Andrea Ewing. He is responsible. He's the
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Speaker 1: founder of Curse Breakers three hundred strong and Death Row Ministries.
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Speaker 1: He tried to help some people dealing with the prison
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Speaker 1: system to no longer deal with the prison system, to
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Speaker 1: find solutions for these people to choose a better path
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Speaker 1: in life. And in fact, former police officer was almost
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Speaker 1: we round up. We'll call him thirty year veteran since
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Speaker 1: a police officer, so he has been there. He's done
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Speaker 1: the hard work that we were just talking about with
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Speaker 1: Hamilton Township Police Chief Scott Hughes. He knows how bad
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Speaker 1: things can be, he knows how stressful the job is,
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Speaker 1: and he knows what it's like to be supported by
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Speaker 1: elected officials. And he also can lay witness to what
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Speaker 1: happens when our elected officials do not support police. Brother Dre.
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Speaker 1: It is great having you back in studio. Happy new Year,
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Speaker 1: my friend.
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Speaker 2: Happy new year. Brother Brian. Is so good to see you.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited about being here. It's time to go to work.
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Speaker 1: Well, we have come a long way since twenty twelve,
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Speaker 1: and I really truly you're not patting yourself on the back.
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Speaker 1: You kind of brought this this proclamation from the Hamilton
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Speaker 1: County Border Commissioners that you received in honor of the
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Speaker 1: work that you did for community service and problem solving.
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Speaker 1: It's the twenty twelve Beyond the Call Award and it
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Speaker 1: looks remarkably familiar. But as I see, it was signed
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Speaker 1: by Greg Hartman, Chris Monsel and Todd portun acknowledging you
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Speaker 1: for the work you did building cooperation between police and
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Speaker 1: the community. You were doing outreach work, you were doing
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Speaker 1: all kinds of you know, talking with churches, You met
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Speaker 1: with community leaders, discussed the idea of you know, enthusiastic responses.
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Speaker 1: You talked about the idea of police, you know, having
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Speaker 1: a better relationship. You got an award for this. This
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Speaker 1: is something that I just got off the phone with
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Speaker 1: Hamilton Township Police Chief Scott Houghston. He identified it and
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Speaker 1: I brought it up to him. Wouldn't we have a
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Speaker 1: much better city of Cincinnati if the damn elected officials
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Speaker 1: would come out and support the officers and praise them
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Speaker 1: for the work they do, Acknowledge their hard work, give
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Speaker 1: them the support they need, Encourage strong policing, put cameras
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Speaker 1: up where we obviously need cameras. I mean, there's a
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Speaker 1: multitude of things. The silence is deafening. You don't hear anything.
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Speaker 1: If it ain't a ribbon cutting ceremony for some new
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Speaker 1: skateboard park, you have to have purvalls missing in action.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, what happened between this time when what
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Speaker 1: you were awarded for, which what we're all clamoring for.
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Speaker 1: Whatever happened to these kinds of programs, they just disappear.
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Speaker 2: Called leadership once again. And you've heard me hammer at
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Speaker 2: home and smith Man was right on point. I thought
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Speaker 2: I was listening to brother Drey this morning when Smithman
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Speaker 2: was talking, So shout out to him on his passion.
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Speaker 2: I have a daughter as well. Yeah, and I understand
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Speaker 2: this process, and it's the gloves are off, and they've
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Speaker 2: always been off. But when you look at what the
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Speaker 2: community is developed. You have your pastors, you have police,
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Speaker 2: and you have parents, and back then in twenty eleven,
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Speaker 2: here it is a program being started, a faith based
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Speaker 2: initiative called Fact D three. We started in District three.
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Speaker 2: And ironically, guess who was the captain in District three
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Speaker 2: at that time, Captain Russ Neville, So he can witness
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Speaker 2: the program itself and exactly what took place. And what's
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Speaker 2: interesting is that what everybody is trying to do right
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Speaker 2: now has already been done. But you had leadership and
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Speaker 2: ego maniacs and people that are envious and jealous come
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Speaker 2: in and try to dismantle a program. And now what
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Speaker 2: do you get. You constantly get chaos, You constantly get shootings.
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Speaker 2: You constantly get a community who do not trust the police,
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Speaker 2: and that's a problem, and they would rather see a
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Speaker 2: little girl gunned down. They would rather see constant murders
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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati then to tell the police why there is
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Speaker 2: no relationship anymore with the police and with the parents,
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Speaker 2: and the pastors need to get reinvolved to re establish
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Speaker 2: this relationship so we can build trust once again.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you brought the pastor part up because
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Speaker 1: I asked you off air, and it's been my perception
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Speaker 1: that maybe pastors don't wield any level of respect or
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Speaker 1: authority the way they at once point did a lot
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Speaker 1: of people in the old days. We all went to
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Speaker 1: church on Sunday. Children went and they were brought up.
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Speaker 1: You know, suffer the little children come unto me. You
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Speaker 1: bring them to church. They learn the rules, they learned
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Speaker 1: the morals, they learned the ethic, they learned the values
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Speaker 1: of Christianity or Judaism, whatever, all designed to make humanity
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Speaker 1: work together and play together better. But do kids go
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Speaker 1: to church anymore? Does a reverend or a pastor or
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Speaker 1: a minister at one of the city churches still hold
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Speaker 1: and wield some measure of influence over young people. No, ohd.
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Speaker 2: Social media is the rule. People don't really come out
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Speaker 2: to fellowship anymore at churches. Churches are hemorrhaging for young
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Speaker 2: people to come out. And this is an issue because
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Speaker 2: now most pastors have different agendas when they used to
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Speaker 2: get out into the community. Avondale has fifty two churches.
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Speaker 2: On every block you would go and see that there
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Speaker 2: is a church, and in every community you would go
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Speaker 2: and see that there's a church. So the church would
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Speaker 2: be responsible for their block. They would make sure that
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Speaker 2: they know everyone in the community and would minister to
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Speaker 2: that community, whether it's your house of refuge, whether you
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Speaker 2: need food and clothing, whether you need even counsel. Those
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Speaker 2: pastors are needed. But what has happened now today the
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Speaker 2: pastors go against the police. Now when you have strong
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Speaker 2: leaders that constantly talk about the police and only bring
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Speaker 2: up black lives matter. If the police are involved in
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Speaker 2: a shooting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they want and the narrative is they will
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Speaker 1: cite an illustration and no one, no one can say
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Speaker 1: with a straight face that all police are all good, moral, ethical,
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Speaker 1: right people, No one is correct. I mean, you're looking
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Speaker 1: for perfect in any human being, you ain't gonna find
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Speaker 1: it right, correct, So we start from that. But by
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Speaker 1: focusing on only the worst and then telling the rest
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Speaker 1: of the world that all of them are participants in
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Speaker 1: this egregious behavior, you've undermined the whole thing. And when
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Speaker 1: you were talking about what the pastors used to do,
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Speaker 1: they know everybody on the block, they would engage, they
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Speaker 1: would find out, they would listen and talk. That was
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Speaker 1: kind of the role the police used to have. The
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Speaker 1: beat cop. You know, he knew the store owners said
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Speaker 1: hi to him, checking doors. That's the type of relationship
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Speaker 1: we need to build between police and the community. But
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Speaker 1: if the community is of the perception, then any guy
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Speaker 1: in uniform or woman in uniform bad. If that's the
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Speaker 1: first response, you're not gonna get anywhere nowhere now.
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Speaker 2: And this is what you see in the communities that
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Speaker 2: are happening. They really are saying, hey, we don't want
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Speaker 2: the police here. We don't want you here at all.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to support that at all. And if
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Speaker 2: you're in our neighborhood now it's well, the police are
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Speaker 2: going to just arrest us and don't talk to the
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Speaker 2: police at all. So now you have this misconception. What
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Speaker 2: are you teaching our young people, especially our young inner
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Speaker 2: city kids that look at the uniform and say, I
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Speaker 2: despise you from jump And this is why it's important
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Speaker 2: to reunite this relationship, to really say we're not just
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Speaker 2: here to lock you up. That's not my intentions. And
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Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to prove even back in twenty eleven,
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Speaker 2: to say, hey, look, you're looking at the uniform, but
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Speaker 2: let me tell you more about brother Dre. And this
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Speaker 2: built the relationship that it became so strong. I was
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Speaker 2: even awarded for it. But people lost sight of the vision.
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Speaker 2: Even and like I told you before, even a Vice
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Speaker 2: Mayor Kearney, she knows about the program and things that
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Speaker 2: are implement it. And one thing that agreeges me is
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Speaker 2: when Miss Williams, the mother of the eleven year old,
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Speaker 2: she made a comment said, we don't even live here.
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Speaker 2: I hate this city. There's nothing but cruel people here.
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Speaker 2: Now see that right there alone as a travesty and
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Speaker 2: how they were treated at the hospital. And I know
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Speaker 2: that to be true. And that's why this program was implemented.
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Speaker 2: To teach pastors and have chaplains and have an emergency
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Speaker 2: care team to go to these families at the hospital,
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Speaker 2: because I've watched them just look at their loved one
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Speaker 2: dead and no one is there to support, No one
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Speaker 2: is the go between, no one to talk to them.
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Speaker 2: So I hope that intrim Chief Henny is listening because
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Speaker 2: I'm tired of talking about the same things. Get a
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Speaker 2: care team in place. It was dismantled back in twenty
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Speaker 2: eleven and twelve because of jealousy. We need to have
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Speaker 2: people in place that know how to talk to the
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Speaker 2: community and be a goal between.
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Speaker 1: So a program that you were responsible for that proved
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Speaker 1: itself a worthwhile program, so much so that you got
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Speaker 1: an award for it. They dismantled it over politics.
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Speaker 2: Basically correct correct is there's always jealousy when you reach
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Speaker 2: the top. Trust me when I tell you that. And
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Speaker 2: when you are doing great things, you are a big
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Speaker 2: target and they say new levels, new devils. And so
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Speaker 2: even though the program tried to continue, they couldn't continue it.
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Speaker 2: Why because God didn't give them the vision. God didn't
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Speaker 2: give them to know how what to do. And the
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Speaker 2: key was it started in District three, but the goal
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Speaker 2: was to have it in every district, to have a
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Speaker 2: faith based liaison officer in all the five districts at
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Speaker 2: that time. And what you would have is now a
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Speaker 2: communication from every district in every corner and every church
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Speaker 2: successful in District three, which is one of the busiest
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Speaker 2: districts that we have, and so why wouldn't you want
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Speaker 2: to utilize that in every district. So they didn't continue
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Speaker 2: with the vision, and guess what happened. The relationships between
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Speaker 2: the police and the pastors separated in the community, lost
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Speaker 2: trust and here we are today.
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Speaker 1: And then you have the George Floyd impetus behind the
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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement which became a complete hate the police,
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Speaker 1: defund the police and propelling and continuing that broadbrush narrative
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Speaker 1: that all police are bad. Let's talk with more with
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Speaker 1: brother Dre andre Ewing. Fund him my line andre Ewing
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Speaker 1: on Facebook. He's just outspoken. He does a video sort
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Speaker 1: of a fireside chat. If I may be so delicate,
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Speaker 1: but he does a great job at it. Eight sixteen
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Speaker 1: right now, will continue, don't go away, fifty five the
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Speaker 1: talk station A twenty here fifty five kerc DE talk station.
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Speaker 1: I will correct the record. Brother Dre is in studio,
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Speaker 1: but I used Andre Ewing. It's his his web page
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Speaker 1: on Facebook. But he's got his own curse Breakers one
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Speaker 1: word three hundred, Brother Dre. If you just type in
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Speaker 1: curse Breakers three hundred on Facebook, you will find it.
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Speaker 1: And that's where you can be well. You can enjoy
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Speaker 1: his rants as much as I do. Each and every week.
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Speaker 1: Ox spoke and again he knows about law enforcement, having
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Speaker 1: spent almost thirty full years as a Cincinnti police officer.
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Speaker 1: An award winner he is for his actions in the
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Speaker 1: community trying to breach that you know, trust issue that
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Speaker 1: we clearly have, which is fomented by politicians and programs
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Speaker 1: that were successful that have been deleted or eliminated because
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Speaker 1: new sheriffs in town, new administration. All. We can't keep
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Speaker 1: around what the former guy did. We need to go
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Speaker 1: our own direction and take credit for that. I get
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Speaker 1: that's I get that is the impression. But going back
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Speaker 1: to the political figures, we have the pastors and the ministers,
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Speaker 1: the community leaders. And I'll throw Iris Rawley's name out
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Speaker 1: there again because she is so profoundly influential. You can
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Speaker 1: say anything you want about her. She's got a lot
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Speaker 1: of sway politically in downtown Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean Iris Roly and if I've said this
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Speaker 2: is powerful in the city of Cucinata in other places.
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Speaker 2: And one thing that I know, if you want to
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Speaker 2: move the needle, you put Iris Rowley and Damon Lynch
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Speaker 2: in the same room. I guarantee the cameras to be
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Speaker 2: down there the next day. You're right, Okay, Now, so
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Speaker 2: we have to deal with the elephant in the room.
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Speaker 2: And if you are that powerful and you have that
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Speaker 2: type of voice and you can move the needle, why
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Speaker 2: is not this happening? So what has to happen is
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Speaker 2: the community of the West End OTR other areas. They
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Speaker 2: have to now build their strong communities. They have to
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Speaker 2: literally stay consistent and come together as one. But if
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Speaker 2: Iris Rowley is strictly against the police and don't trust
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Speaker 2: the police, and hear Brother Dre is saying, hold on,
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Speaker 2: we can try to work this out. Let's work together.
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Speaker 2: Guess what they're gonna trust more, Ira Roly, then they
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Speaker 2: will now, Brother Dre, because I've wore the uniform. So
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Speaker 2: there needs to be a breach of mediation. And that's
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Speaker 2: why you've heard me say on my podcast, I'm not
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Speaker 2: here to take sides. I'm here to save lives, right.
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Speaker 1: And I just don't understand why she is that powerful
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Speaker 1: and fine, why doesn't she use that voice and that
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Speaker 1: power for good. You heard Smithman going on about it,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Black Lives Matter out there in front
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Speaker 1: of city Hall, and he's saying, damn it, these people
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Speaker 1: do not care about black lives because if they did,
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Speaker 1: they would be working to breach this gap that exists,
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Speaker 1: a gap that exists primarily because someone so influential regularly
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Speaker 1: goes out in front of the crowd and says, don't
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Speaker 1: listen to those people. Police are bad, period. End of story.
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Speaker 1: And then you can't get off the ground with moving
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Speaker 1: forward with bettering the community relations and bringing about a
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Speaker 1: safer neighborhood. What is her problem with wanting a safer neighborhood?
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Speaker 1: Police can bring them. The physical presence of police officers
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Speaker 1: are a deterrent to crime, stopping crime before it happens. Look,
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Speaker 1: there's a cop on the corner, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: commit a crime. Light stand right there. That works. What's
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Speaker 1: wrong with that concept? Brother Drake Well?
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Speaker 2: I believe in just talking to a lot of individuals
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Speaker 2: in the community that if we say release the police,
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Speaker 2: then there would be mass incarceration and they'll just start
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Speaker 2: to take advantage of the inner city of police. And
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Speaker 2: that's why I said there has to be trust involved,
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Speaker 2: and you have to make sure that these police officers
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Speaker 2: get checked accordingly. And that's why I always talk about
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Speaker 2: mental health. That you can't just let a police officer
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Speaker 2: go twenty twenty five years, fifteen years and never have
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Speaker 2: a wellness check. That's ridiculous. And I always said every
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Speaker 2: three months they should be having a strong psychological evaluation
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Speaker 2: to make sure how their policing is done. And even
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Speaker 2: have individuals that understand if this particular officer consistently gets
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Speaker 2: a complaint, they're consistently stacking charges, They're consistently arresting people
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Speaker 2: that don't deserve it. This is where you have, say
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Speaker 2: the brother dres that understand why is this officer doing
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Speaker 2: what they're doing so. But now if you have it
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Speaker 2: one way, brother Brian, that says, we don't care, don't
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Speaker 2: trust the police, don't tell them anything. Now you have
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Speaker 2: a community that's afraid of the police and the bad guys.
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Speaker 2: That is a recipe for disaster. And this is what
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Speaker 2: you are seeing right now. No trust with the police
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Speaker 2: and I'm scared of the local bad guy.
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Speaker 1: Wow, and you know just going I asked you the
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Speaker 1: question off the air. I mean, if you could get
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Speaker 1: a straight answer poll, you go out in every single resident,
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Speaker 1: unlike an election where only twenty five percent show up.
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Speaker 1: But if you got every single resident on record with
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Speaker 1: an honest answer to the question, would you like a
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Speaker 1: stronger police presence in your neighborhood? Period? End of story.
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Speaker 1: I would like to think that most people would, especially
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Speaker 1: if you're in a high crime neighborhood like the West End. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course I would rather have police there. Maybe there's
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Speaker 1: some bad eggs within, but we're going to stop the
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Speaker 1: crime from happening because they're around all the time.
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Speaker 2: Correct, Correct, But being around is also just saying we
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Speaker 2: need our community officers to be more involved. And when
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Speaker 2: I was doing it, it was we were making visits
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Speaker 2: and constant community outreaches and we were involved in so
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Speaker 2: many things within the community. Absolutely, and so they looked
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Speaker 2: at the officer differently in the uniform based on that.
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Speaker 2: Now the officer doesn't have the time to go about that.
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Speaker 2: This is why I said, if you have experienced veteran
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Speaker 2: officers that have retired, put them into a community relations
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Speaker 2: position to go into the neighborhoods and rebuild the trust.
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Speaker 2: You have all this money your auditioning out, but like
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Speaker 2: I said, you're not focusing it on the right resources.
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Speaker 2: Bring back these educated officers that understand, give them the
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Speaker 2: right training, and allow them to rebuild their relationships within
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Speaker 2: the community on a regular basis. Because the cop team
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Speaker 2: units now they're overwhelmed with so many other projects that
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Speaker 2: they have to do.
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Speaker 1: Contingent is down too, and we need more office absolutely
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Speaker 1: work done. Absolutely, We'll continue with Andrea Ewing again Curse
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Speaker 1: Thirty years as a police officer, just shy of he's
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Speaker 1: seen it all. He's had programs that he's been behind
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Speaker 1: and got awards for them, ways of bettering community relations
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Speaker 1: between the police and the community and of course holding
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Speaker 1: those responsible for bad behavior responsible. And you know what,
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Speaker 1: the way the data is collected these days, this isn't
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Speaker 1: the old days, Drey. I mean, you can't get away
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Speaker 1: with stuff like you did. And the old days, the
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Speaker 1: officers all have cameras recording what they're doing when they're
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Speaker 1: on the beat. Everybody's got a camera around them. The
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Speaker 1: city's got cameras all over the place, well except for
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Speaker 1: the West end, so you know this is going to
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Speaker 1: be recorded. Police know that they aren't. This isn't the
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Speaker 1: days of the rubber hose and beating confessions out of people.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to excuse, you know, pulling people
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Speaker 1: over for driving while black or something we all know
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Speaker 1: that that puts a bad taste in people's mouths. They're
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Speaker 1: just harassing me. But I mean the idea that these
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Speaker 1: solutions that you talk to, and one of the programs
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Speaker 1: you mentioned was DARE and we used to have the
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Speaker 1: officers in school and talking about issues with drugs and
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Speaker 1: reaching out and getting in touch with these young people
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Speaker 1: and establishing this relationship. Now, I asked you, because that
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore.
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Speaker 2: Apparently, correct, not here in Cincinnati. It is in some
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Speaker 2: nationwide departments inside the schools and for the their program
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Speaker 2: that was the Drug Abuse Resistance Education. It is neat
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Speaker 2: especially in times of today, that is so much easy
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Speaker 2: access to drugs for our kids, and so it is
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Speaker 2: necessary that we educate them properly. I've talked to school
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Speaker 2: teachers and they tell you we can't even teach because
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Speaker 2: the kids come in high they are either smoking weed,
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Speaker 2: they have alcohol, and this is a major major issue
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Speaker 2: and we can't keep up with trying to educate them
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Speaker 2: and they constantly get left behind. And this is why
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Speaker 2: you had all these alternative and charter schools being developed.
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Speaker 2: And you look back and you don't there's a charter
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Speaker 2: school every other month coming being presented, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Well did the program work? That was the question I
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Speaker 1: asked you was a follow up because you know, quite often, well, yeah,
20:06
Speaker 1: there's a we got a new solution, let's let's fund
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Speaker 1: this program, and then we find out that the program
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Speaker 1: is funded. Yeah we've got DARE going on in the
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Speaker 1: school system. But you don't hear anything about the result.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that a program that actually bore fruit and helped
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Speaker 1: people stay off drugs and get them on the right path.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it did. We have some excellent SROs that implemented
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Speaker 2: the DARE program. I mean they had a relationship with
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Speaker 2: the kids that was amazing and knew how to talk
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Speaker 2: to them in a special way. And the kids trusted
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Speaker 2: them as well, because now they are not just trying
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Speaker 2: to police, they're educating, and they're telling you the things
20:46
Speaker 2: that are bad and what can happen to you if
20:49
Speaker 2: you have drugs on you. So it was an early intervention,
20:53
Speaker 2: and they tell you already that early intervention is part
20:57
Speaker 2: of a problem solving these things. It isn't rocket science.
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Speaker 2: But if we don't you already have an audience when
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Speaker 2: you have kids already in school.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do, and I was just laughing as you
21:10
Speaker 1: were saying that at early intervention. Going back to getting
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Speaker 1: kids back into church again, you know, if the wrath
21:15
Speaker 1: of God is going to come down upon you, and
21:17
Speaker 1: you learn that at a really early age and as
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Speaker 1: a way of keeping you out of trouble a lot.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And it's proven that gun violence drops when
21:26
Speaker 2: policies are layered, but they're not extreme. I'm gonna give
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Speaker 2: you an example. So you number one, you got to
21:31
Speaker 2: have responsible gun laws. I mean, let's make sure that
21:34
Speaker 2: the laws definitely fit the crime. When we don't just
21:38
Speaker 2: patch you on the back and rub you down with
21:41
Speaker 2: some lotion and say it's okay. I mean, we got
21:43
Speaker 2: to get serious. And then the strong communities that for
21:47
Speaker 2: some reason, the communities are not strong anymore. They're broken,
21:50
Speaker 2: and we have to find a way to redevelop the
21:53
Speaker 2: strong communities, not after major issues happened before. And then
21:59
Speaker 2: you have to have one again, we just said it
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Speaker 2: early intervention, and so you have that early intervention, then
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Speaker 2: then there has to be what Brian accountability for violent behavior.
22:10
Speaker 2: So there's still accountability. There still has to be discipline.
22:13
Speaker 2: We're not just going to say no, it's over. So
22:16
Speaker 2: when you layer these things. This has been proven proven
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Speaker 2: to work. So that's why it amazes me when I
22:23
Speaker 2: keep hearing all these thousands of programs that keep coming up.
22:27
Speaker 2: And I talked to somebody after we did a youth
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Speaker 2: interaction before, and he said, if we can concentrate more
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Speaker 2: on collaboration versus competition, we could move the needle in
22:39
Speaker 2: a strong way. And a one hundred percent agree.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's like the hand in the cookie jar kind
22:44
Speaker 1: of thing that we saw in Minnesota and elsewhere in
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Speaker 1: this country. You know, you create a non governmental organization
22:49
Speaker 1: who has all these great ideas and all the best
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Speaker 1: interests of the community, and everybody lines up and creates
22:55
Speaker 1: their own NGO. They're going to get a check and
22:58
Speaker 1: they're on competition whatever finite number of dollars is. Is
23:01
Speaker 1: there any follow up with any organization out there claiming
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Speaker 1: to do what you actually did back in twenty eleven
23:07
Speaker 1: that is showing results, it is actually proving that it works.
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Speaker 1: I don't ever hear any follow up.
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Speaker 2: And that's the problem is they have all these government
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Speaker 2: funds and federal funds that come out and they just
23:18
Speaker 2: start giving away money. We want to see the proof
23:21
Speaker 2: in the putting let's see exactly, let's measure how this
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Speaker 2: has worked and save lives and made transformations.
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Speaker 1: A thirty six. Right now, we will continue with Brother
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Speaker 1: Dre Cursebreaker, three hundred dash Brother Dre on Facebook. Hold
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Speaker 1: on right back.
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Speaker 2: This is fifty five karc an iHeartRadio station.
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Speaker 1: You're see the talk station. Hey forty here fifty five
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Speaker 1: KRCD Talk station. Brian Thomas with in studio Cursebreaker's three
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Speaker 1: hundred Brother Dre Andre ewing again and thirty year police officer.
23:53
Speaker 1: He's got some great ideas about how to repair community
23:55
Speaker 1: relations and he got an award for these types of
23:57
Speaker 1: ideas a decade ago, and apparently they got rid of
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Speaker 1: them because well, the new administration, well they weren't their ideas.
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Speaker 1: So let's toss that out throughout the baby with the bathwater.
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Speaker 1: Let's not keep what works, Let's start with something new.
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Speaker 1: And then that brings us to the challenge of you know,
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Speaker 1: is there any accountability with whatever program has been started
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Speaker 1: to correct this problem and to bring it you know, I, honestly, Dre,
24:19
Speaker 1: I would think that correcting the misperception that police are
24:23
Speaker 1: all bad that is probably the easiest of the challenges
24:27
Speaker 1: just straight marketing. You got Purval and Michelle mc kearney,
24:32
Speaker 1: and you've got everybody on board praising the police, saying,
24:35
Speaker 1: don't demonize them, welcome them. They've got great resources. They
24:39
Speaker 1: can steer you in the right direction, keep you out
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Speaker 1: of trouble. They're not there to hurt you. They're there
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Speaker 1: to help you. That's why they signed up. That seems
24:45
Speaker 1: the easiest of the challenges to deal with. And you
24:47
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the program, you know, these outreach programs
24:50
Speaker 1: you try to engage parents and pastors and all these
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Speaker 1: other community leaders. The word parents. I wrote that down
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Speaker 1: because I get the impression that parents just don't seem
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Speaker 1: to really care what their kids are up to at
25:05
Speaker 1: any given time, that there isn't that disciplinary component. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you were like growing up, but
25:11
Speaker 1: growing up in my house, the biggest concern I had
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Speaker 1: was the incurring the wrath of my dad or my mom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was primary discipline Number One. Didn't matter
25:20
Speaker 1: if I got paddled in school, I was going to
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Speaker 1: get a paddle when I got home too, and it
25:23
Speaker 1: was going to be worse than the one I got
25:24
Speaker 1: at school. So they cared enough about my future, to
25:29
Speaker 1: make sure I went to school, to make sure I
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Speaker 1: applied myself. Is that as a concept just completely disappeared, dray.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's deal with the facts, brother Brian. One of
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Speaker 2: the things that is true is when you have fatherless homes,
25:45
Speaker 2: it has been proven fact that your kids will more
25:49
Speaker 2: than likely, over sixty to seventy percent, will be involved
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Speaker 2: in some type of dysfunction, some type of crime, some
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Speaker 2: type of drug add So it is a shout out
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Speaker 2: to the real fathers that handle their business. I'm all
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Speaker 2: for you. But the ones that are out here doing nothing,
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Speaker 2: that have zero relationship with your children, that just want
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Speaker 2: to keep making babies and that's it. There is a
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Speaker 2: responsibility as men, and I can speak on the level
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Speaker 2: of a black father who raised his daughter had full custody.
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Speaker 2: Shout out to Moline, I love you. You know. The
26:30
Speaker 2: bottom line is black fathers need to stand up as
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Speaker 2: well as white fathers. I don't care what race you are,
26:36
Speaker 2: but the father in the home is important to have
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Speaker 2: that relationship. So when you have these absentee dads, it
26:44
Speaker 2: has been proven that violence will increase. You have young
26:48
Speaker 2: young men and women that just are frustrated at life
26:52
Speaker 2: because the number one person that should be in my
26:54
Speaker 2: life to show me some grounding is no longer there.
26:57
Speaker 2: And now the mothers have to either work over time,
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Speaker 2: double time trying to raise these children. And so what
27:06
Speaker 2: happens is the siblings and the children have to take
27:10
Speaker 2: care of the other siblings so they don't go to
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Speaker 2: school and get the education necessary to change.
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Speaker 1: That's absolutely well, and that's thee another seemingly insurmountable problem.
27:22
Speaker 1: If you have abosthe fathers, they're disappeared, they're gone, they're
27:25
Speaker 1: a jet, doesn't matter what happened to them. Then that's
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Speaker 1: a role that could possibly be filled by you know,
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Speaker 1: men like you, people who are willing to engage in
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Speaker 1: you know, programs for young people to act as that
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Speaker 1: mentor and to provide that fatherly figure guidance that these
27:42
Speaker 1: children so desperately need. I mean, that seems to be
27:45
Speaker 1: a worthy goal and a worthy idea as long as
27:47
Speaker 1: you're not politicizing it. I mean, I want to turn
27:50
Speaker 1: my kid over to you know, if I if I
27:53
Speaker 1: left my young kids, if I still had young kids
27:55
Speaker 1: who weren't adults, and I put them in the hands
27:56
Speaker 1: of Andrea Ewing, I know they'd be taking great care
27:59
Speaker 1: of I know you're message. I know what you would
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Speaker 1: be saying. I know that they would be safe and
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Speaker 1: your you know, under your tutelage. And it is possible
28:06
Speaker 1: that there's someone out there that has this idea, but
28:08
Speaker 1: then they'll turn it into a big political exercise and
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Speaker 1: try to convince your kids a cops suck or something
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Speaker 1: like that. But we need strong father figures to fill
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Speaker 1: in that void where they do not exist in these
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Speaker 1: young people's lives or they're destined to that percentage you mentioned.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And what's interesting is I was doing
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Speaker 2: all this on my police salary. Yeah I know, I know, Okay.
28:28
Speaker 2: I didn't ask for give me a special amount of money.
28:31
Speaker 1: We brought that up there.
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Speaker 2: Give me all this financial means that I need to
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Speaker 2: make it happen. I did it within the confinement of
28:39
Speaker 2: my work shift. And that's why I'm gonna give a
28:41
Speaker 2: shout out to Captain russ Neville, and I'm gonna tell
28:44
Speaker 2: you why. You know, we know I have to have
28:46
Speaker 2: the issues with which with Chief Thieji, Okay, but Captain
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Speaker 2: russ Neville, he understood the vision at District three. He
28:54
Speaker 2: saw the work that I was doing, and he said,
28:57
Speaker 2: what do you need to make this success sucessful? And
29:01
Speaker 2: I'll give it to you. Whether it was the days off,
29:04
Speaker 2: whether it was the overtime, he said, I want to
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Speaker 2: make sure this happened. And the key was he was
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Speaker 2: directly involved that every pastor every community member that I met,
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Speaker 2: he took the time out to sit at the table
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Speaker 2: to make sure these things were going to happen. And
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Speaker 2: it was interesting because he was out of his comfort
29:26
Speaker 2: zone going into I want to say black churches and
29:30
Speaker 2: being in a position to speak. But it brought the
29:33
Speaker 2: relationship together because number one, they never really seen a
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Speaker 2: white officer comeing to all black church. But I was
29:41
Speaker 2: able to show him exactly how there are cultural differences,
29:46
Speaker 2: but how we can come together. And he saw firsthand
29:49
Speaker 2: how it worked. And the proof is in what you
29:52
Speaker 2: see right here in the rewards that was just given.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna pause. We'll bring it back for one
29:57
Speaker 1: more since we had one more segment with Chris Breaker
29:59
Speaker 1: three and brother dre he knew he talks about it now.
30:05
Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Curry and this is Gentleman's cut.
30:09
Speaker 1: I think what makes Gentleman's cut the CD talk station
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Speaker 1: happy New Year Brian Thomas with Brother Dre. You find
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Speaker 1: him online and Facebook Curse Breakers three hundred dash Brother
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Speaker 1: Dre and you'll be very entertained by what he has
30:21
Speaker 1: to say, some enlightening comments and some very pointed criticisms
30:24
Speaker 1: from time to time. That's why we bring him on
30:26
Speaker 1: the program. All right, man who had successful ideas and
30:29
Speaker 1: again got an award for what he was doing and
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Speaker 1: by way of outreach more than a decade ago, programs
30:33
Speaker 1: that actually work. This was through District three of the
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Speaker 1: CINCINNT Police Department, and he was doing all of this work,
30:39
Speaker 1: the outreach work, the efforts to you know, bring the
30:41
Speaker 1: community together, getting the priests together, the ministers and and
30:45
Speaker 1: and and the people of faith together to work with
30:48
Speaker 1: the community, and all designed to you know, grease the
30:51
Speaker 1: skids and oil the machine of better community relations and
30:55
Speaker 1: also trying to have an impact on young people and
30:57
Speaker 1: change the trajectory of their life. You were able to
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Speaker 1: do this. You had the help of the Captain of
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Speaker 1: District three who offered you the resources. No one wrote
31:06
Speaker 1: you a check one. This wasn't a decree from the
31:09
Speaker 1: mayor or the vice mayor or the city manager. And
31:14
Speaker 1: demonstrated success. Could they do this again on their own?
31:20
Speaker 1: The police? I mean, is there someone stopping this successful
31:24
Speaker 1: program from coming back or re engaging it or reimagining
31:28
Speaker 1: it along the similar lines stray.
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Speaker 2: No, this comes down to the chief of police. Okay,
31:34
Speaker 2: the chief doesn't need permission from the city manager. The
31:38
Speaker 2: chief doesn't need permission from the mayor to implement programs
31:41
Speaker 2: within the department. And that's why I say, you have
31:44
Speaker 2: to have the right people in place that will be
31:48
Speaker 2: effective to make these things happen. And the officer who
31:54
Speaker 2: has a heart for people, that understands and care about
31:58
Speaker 2: people when they should go through through a chaplaincy program
32:02
Speaker 2: as well to understand that process. And that's why it
32:06
Speaker 2: was it was good to have everyone work together, between
32:09
Speaker 2: the parents, police and the pastors. It is it is necessary.
32:13
Speaker 2: But the chief of police could right now if he
32:16
Speaker 2: wanted to call Andre Ewing and say we want to
32:19
Speaker 2: implement a program and re establish some things, he could
32:24
Speaker 2: actually get officers. So if you said you don't have
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Speaker 2: the man power, you don't have the bodies, guess what
32:31
Speaker 2: I've said it one hundred times. Bring back retired officers
32:35
Speaker 2: that know the community, know how to talk to people
32:40
Speaker 2: and can address things on a whole different level.
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Speaker 1: And if they spring from this, you know, uh, this
32:46
Speaker 1: belief that you have, this, you know that you haven't
32:49
Speaker 1: lost hope for humanity. You know there's a better way.
32:52
Speaker 1: If they're interested engaging in this type of I'll call
32:54
Speaker 1: it a ministry for lack of a better word, You're
32:57
Speaker 1: not going to have getting retired police officer. This isn't
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Speaker 1: like getting a lateral higher from a police department where
33:04
Speaker 1: you are hiring a person to engage in law enforcement.
33:09
Speaker 1: This would be outside of arresting people. This would be
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Speaker 1: a spokesperson, an interventionist, someone who could help spread the
33:17
Speaker 1: resources that are available.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely and to implement that training that's necessary so officers
33:25
Speaker 2: can relate to the issues at hand. And one thing
33:28
Speaker 2: that made the program even successful was going into the
33:32
Speaker 2: Hamilton County Justice Center and having the Curse Breakers three
33:36
Speaker 2: hundred program there and bringing in officers that never had
33:41
Speaker 2: an opportunity to actually talk to those who are incarcerated
33:45
Speaker 2: on that level. They would drop them off but not
33:47
Speaker 2: talk to them, so they would understand and even develop
33:51
Speaker 2: a different type of relationship with those that are incarcerated.
33:55
Speaker 1: Right, and you were in rooms with you know, twenty
33:57
Speaker 1: five thirty probably murderers because if they were still locked
34:00
Speaker 1: up in a lock up, they obviously had committed some
34:01
Speaker 1: pretty bad crimes. But they listened to you and they
34:05
Speaker 1: appreciated you. From what I've understand, are many conversations both
34:08
Speaker 1: on air and off air about this. They had respect
34:11
Speaker 1: for a man who came in, who used to wear
34:13
Speaker 1: the uniform, who even wore the uniform. A cop is
34:16
Speaker 1: sitting here talking to me. That's just highly unusual. But
34:21
Speaker 1: the idea that it had an impact, that it actually worked.
34:23
Speaker 1: It was not you were spinning your wheels there talking
34:25
Speaker 1: to someone like you were talking to a brick wall.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, because I was building the relationships Number one, to say,
34:31
Speaker 2: when you get released, we want to make sure you
34:34
Speaker 2: have relationships already in place, right and wherever you go
34:38
Speaker 2: back home, it's your community and we need to work together.
34:42
Speaker 2: And so it was teaching these young men and women
34:45
Speaker 2: how to be responsible in their community and build these
34:48
Speaker 2: relationships prior to so if they already. Number One, employment
34:53
Speaker 2: is an issue, guess what you had, brother dre officer
34:56
Speaker 2: ewing as a liaison talk to a employer and say,
35:01
Speaker 2: this person has these skills and are ready to go
35:04
Speaker 2: right now, and all of a sudden, you can implement
35:08
Speaker 2: an interview with this person because they've had the train
35:10
Speaker 2: as soon as their foot hits the ground and are released.
35:13
Speaker 2: Guess what, They're not a menace to society, but they're
35:16
Speaker 2: a productive person in society, and they go right to
35:19
Speaker 2: employment and feel better about themselves.
35:21
Speaker 1: Feeling better about yourselves, you know, the beauty of work,
35:24
Speaker 1: quite often is that it's worth. Absolutely gives you self respect,
35:28
Speaker 1: gives your reason to get up in the morning, and
35:30
Speaker 1: it provides a great foundation for you to maybe have
35:32
Speaker 1: a family and take care of your kids. Absolute, brother,
35:35
Speaker 1: dre always a pleasure having you in my studio. You
35:37
Speaker 1: are always welcome in my studio, sir, or even just
35:40
Speaker 1: calling in if you have if you can't make it in,
35:42
Speaker 1: and I hope that you will be available throughout the
35:45
Speaker 1: year from time to time to have these conversations further.
35:48
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and once again, I'm tired of saying condolences to
35:52
Speaker 2: families for the loss. And there needs to be responsibility
35:56
Speaker 2: on a whole nother level. Let's not wait for another
36:01
Speaker 2: tragedy to do what is right. And someone, my mentor
36:05
Speaker 2: said this to me. He said, helping hands do more
36:08
Speaker 2: than praying lips, And I said wow, because faith without
36:12
Speaker 2: works is dead. So you can pray for me, but
36:16
Speaker 2: I also want your works to prove what you're saying
36:20
Speaker 2: with your mouth.
36:22
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful message under you aren't going to leave
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Speaker 1: that