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Talks to Mark Rawlins about his choice of The Savages (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blump. Pen Knife for doing quicker,
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quicker. Oh, welcome back to Hamster with
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a Blump Pen Knife. The Doctor Who Commentary
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Podcast. I'm Mark and.
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I'm. I'm Joe, This is Joe.
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Hello, Hello, hello. And you're joining us for part
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four of the Savages. Yes, which originally got 5
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million. 5 million, Only 5 million.
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Gone are the heavy heights of Season 2.
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I know 5,000,000.2 now with us watching.
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I think that's 5,000,000.00005 point 2 million, I thought you
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were gonna say. Something I'm gonna say.
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Anything, right, well. This is all yours.
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Well, we last left Steven Dodo and the Doctor on the Planet of
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the Savages. Being gassed.
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Being gassed. The doctor's being sucked out
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and he's lost his mind, presumably.
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Popped into Jano? Yes.
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And now some lots more dry ice is coming towards them, so we're
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gonna see what happens in this conclusion.
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And this is Peter Pervis's last episode as well.
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That was the question I would like to ask you before we go
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into episode 4, Episode four, Powerful.
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Episode 4, Episode four. Well, yeah, because this is the
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first story with number titles, then you don't have your episode
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names. Jerry, Jerry Taylor.
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Jerry Davis was like, I can't be asked to think up episode titles
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anymore. Do you miss those?
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Not really, no. I do.
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I like them for as long as they last, but I wouldn't want to be
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going into second, third, 4th, 5th Doctor.
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What if they were always had from Doctor Who for the whole
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26? Years.
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Would we the whole 26 years imagine?
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What story titles would you? Have been Jesus.
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I don't know. Episode two of The Critch of the
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Pit would be The Dick Cometh or something like that, wouldn't
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it? You know what about Tim and
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Ronnie, Part one. The Saint Dynasty.
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A bad day for Yurak, I would be called Leave the Girl.
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What would you call part four of the savages, then?
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Farewell, Stephen. No, it's more difficult than you
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think. Yeah, for every fan of.
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Stephen Jo Davis, My question wasn't going to be about the
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titles though, it was going to be about Steven Taylor.
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Well, I think you're quite keen on Stephen, you know, and I
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don't mean you just want to fuck him.
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I mean, I think you're quite keen on the character, is that
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right? Well, he's held everything
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together for this whole season pretty much, hasn't he?
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Since he came in, he's been consistently strong.
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If we got the massacre, which is basically just him.
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Yeah, like if if he wasn't around, I wonder what I mean.
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You would have had what Sarah Kingdom would have taken a lot
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of the story. Or like Vicky, I mean, if they
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didn't have two companions a lot of the time, what would they
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have done if they didn't have a Steven Taylor?
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I just can't imagine. I think the show would have
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suffered, the show around you couldn't.
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Run on guest actors to go through.
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I'd say Steven wasn't in Dallas's monster plan.
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What and what is the Doctor and Katarina on their own?
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Doctor and Sarah are on their own.
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So and then she dies. Then he's on his own for.
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Yeah, I don't know. Their purpose is single handedly
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responsible for Doctor Who continuing during what I think
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it's very. Turbulent period.
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I think you should give him a lot of credit, yeah.
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But as well, you know, and I think he's certainly done a lot
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of presenting. I think he's a very good actor
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as well. And I think you've only got a
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guy and listen to his companion chronicles to show he's still
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got a lot to offer. It's a shame he didn't carry on
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doing. I mean many acting roles he got.
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That sweet job over with Billy Baxter, didn't they?
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Well, yeah. I mean, Blue Peter, it's a good
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job to have. I'm having a great.
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Time I read the book, he was fucking off the cars.
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I'm getting a. He said in that book that he had
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sex with two of the presenters. I read it myself.
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That was my direct quote from Peter Purvis.
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All right. That dirty bugger.
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Honestly, I remember doing. That's another that in that
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convention we saw him at, not recently.
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I've made him some toast, ones, you know.
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Yes, I know. I saw.
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Yeah, yeah. It was like you two at the Food
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Machine and the TARDIS it was. Amazing.
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It was getting very impatient with the toast machine, so I
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said Peter, I'll take mine. I think he's got a bad hip.
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Is he? Do you have a hip replacement?
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Young man anymore, is he? But do you think this is an
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adequate exit for Steven? And because I was reading a
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quote before we went into this episode where Peter Burvis was
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saying he didn't want to go. He was very happy to continue.
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And I think he did struggle to find work afterwards, which is
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why that blue pill job coming when it did was a stroke of
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luck. But you know, I do think that
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Ben and Polly did bring an injection of sort of youthful
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vigor to the show and the ratings started climbing.
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From the 10th planet onwards, the ratings started climbing.
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I think it's not a bad exit storyline for him.
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It could have been worse. He could have suddenly wanted to
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marry Nanina. Like like he could have just
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suddenly come out of nowhere. Like that children, wouldn't
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they? Yeah.
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So I think the cause that he that this reason that he stayed
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to do that, I think no, no other companion had done that before.
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I don't know. Maybe Susan in a way, but not
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really. Susan wasn't taking over the
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earth, but she was helping rebuild the earth in a similar
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way. I mean, she got both.
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She got the marriage and the rebuilding the earth, but no one
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else has really come close. All the other companion X's
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maybe apart from Katarina have been a bit rubbish just suddenly
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been married off. Have you seen this dreary bunch
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on the planet as well? The savages?
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I mean, I wouldn't really hang it around with this bunch for
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the rest of my life. Let's start episode 4 and we
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shall continue as we shall see what happens.
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So loose are. You scared I'm going to exhaust
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all the conversation in the first exhaust?
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Oh, such a witty fault. Is this the episode where you
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got, you know, my deal? There's something very
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satisfying about destroying something that's evil.
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And the Toto goes yes, that bits.
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Someone telefilmed that bit, you see.
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Of course, out of all the stuff they filmed some good bits,
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didn't they? She's absolutely vicious with
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that ax, I tell you. And here we are on this amazing
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set full of smoke. Down down the gassy tunnel, you
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know before. I discovered I had a gluten
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intolerance. Oh my gosh.
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I had a very gassy tunnel, didn't I?
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Look at William Hart, though? I mean, he's doing it well.
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He's having a bad photo. Maybe it's just a bad photo.
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Maybe that's all it. Is it?
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Could be a What do you mean? It's a bad photo?
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It's a photograph of what was going on.
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No, but it's in movement, isn't it?
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That's true. That photo, that William
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Hartnell there, leaning up against the thing, that's when
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you open your camera phone and it's on you of when you do it.
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That's what it is. You're not wrong.
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I hate that, you know, because you don't get the angle right
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and you feel your chins get the camera the wrong way around.
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It's painful and God, it don't snap it straight away.
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You got to get the lighting right.
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Oh, if any. William Hunter was alive in the
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time of selfies. Oh my God, he wouldn't have any.
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He wouldn't. I'm a legitimate actor off the
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screen and stage. Excuse me Sir, could I have a
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selfie? Heather, take the Take the
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photo. 30 pounds is my child. Oh, we'd rake it in.
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But I think he's back in the action now.
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No, he wasn't. He wasn't on all the.
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He wasn't, No. It's just something I was trying
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to work out. I'm.
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Giving him please. That's why.
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But you say he's an old man. He's a younger man here than
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Paul McGann is now. Exactly, yeah.
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And I've seen Paul McGann, which goes to show what a great actor
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he was. Toby Haydock said to me that he
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thinks sort of 55 then is a bit like 70 now.
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Yeah, that is true. Older men were older men, Yeah,
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absolutely. Everyone looks, yeah.
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It's like, yeah, you see those things, footage of like, I don't
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know, there's people in the 70s even like when we did the The
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Neighbors commentary and Madge from Neighbors was like 30, but
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she was dressed like and looked like 50 or 60 and she, you know,
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isn't. It because I tell you what I
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tell you what I think nowadays younger kids, kids look older
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than they are because they dress up.
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But I think older people look younger because older people
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dress younger. Well, there's more like, I don't
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know, cosmetics and things back, you know, than back then.
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I mean, if William Arnold could get his all his teeth done back
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then, I'm sure he would have had his veneers done like Katie
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Price or whatever you. Know directly between Jordan and
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William Hartnell and Heat Magazine William Hartnell Doctor
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Who spotted with Katie Price down Arley.
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Street getting his veneers white.
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That's still where we all want to hear.
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Oh dear. One of these days, there's going
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to be a fabulous scandal around Doctor Who character in there.
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Doctor Who Actor What from the past or?
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Present current, Current. No, actually there is some
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current one, isn't it? No.
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Clark. John Barrowman?
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No, NJN, this is the Battle Savages show.
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Sorry, I what do you think is all this set these?
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In this forest kind of stuff, because you just saw the dodo
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and the doctor being while taking the sort of the comatose
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Dr. into this cave. Yeah, it's not bad.
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I've seen better. I've seen worse.
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It's better than Kinder and worse than Creature from the
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Pit. My two I always give, you know,
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because Kindle was very artificial and Creature from the
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Pit always looks very convincing.
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What do you think of people trying to colorize the 60s?
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Stories hang on. We've got some new.
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Pictures of moving Stephen. That was really good.
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I love his hair. His hair.
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His hair is fabulous, doesn't he?
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I think his hair is the best in the story.
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We miss out on some really good hair, apart from that person in
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the basement that's got this and he's watching.
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I just want it on record right now.
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He looks absolutely sexy and I would lick his ass on with this.
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Oh my God, please. I'm so sorry.
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Just for the people that take note of that sort of thing, You
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know, what the hell is that? It's like a thingy gun.
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It looks like one of those things you put money in on the
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beach to look out to sea. Yes, I've got some very weird
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helmets going on as well. And here we've got the Doctor
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being again. Still taken through.
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It's still quite slow, isn't it? He's not sweet.
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Look, look, he's got his curl behind it.
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It makes such a difference that he hasn't got his tie on, his
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tie done up he looks. So I don't know why.
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It's really unusual. To see the Doctor casually.
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Very more casual. This is what he casually gets, I
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think. No.
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Oh wait, in this Space Museum when he's in his undies, Oh God,
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remember. Oh my God.
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Do you think that photo exists somewhere?
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The full actual is actually him. No, you're not buying it.
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No. Imagine if that is out there
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somewhere in like full. I think it only exists on what
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we see on the TVI. Don't think there's someone out
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there has got that negative. But you know, I think what's
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interesting about this last episode is it is breaking with
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conventions because you get the guard character and he does have
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a change of heart, doesn't he? And he does help them out and
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you've got Jano, who's got the Doctor's mind inside of him.
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And he is part of the climax as well.
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Whereas Skip forwards to the macro Terra.
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What was the big fat guy in that Hola?
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The God? He doesn't turn good by the end
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of he, no. I'm not.
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I'm not going to, you know, make a statement and say exhaust is
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one of the most exciting characters.
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We don't remember these characters, do you?
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Here he is now, the Nina's tending for him in The Cave.
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Yeah, it's a shame that these, because there are other stories
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where those guest actors, those guest characters are very well,
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obviously it's J O's. Lain off.
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I can't see it, you know, someone said who said it
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definitely. Is Claire Jenkins?
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Are you Tony? Maybe she's a different one.
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Maybe that's not Nanina. I'm getting confused now.
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Toby I don't be tearing his hair out right now but they're
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getting all the details from you know, it is it's.
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I'm not going to do that thing that he really hates and that's
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going off to investigate. We'll take it as written that
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she was you. Know she's got.
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Oh, I see she's got the stick up to the guards.
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Is it E now she has the relationship with or exhaust?
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It's exhaust. Strange name take all name.
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You've got detail here as well. These these in The Cave.
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It's not just The Cave, you've got these cool carvings on the
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wall. It's quite good set.
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I'm going to take a punt and say that I think Christopher Barry,
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this is during the period where he still knew how to direct.
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Because I'm telling you also downtime recently and there did
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come a time when he completely forgot how to direct, but yet
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it's not talked. When you talk about Christopher
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Barry and all the stories that he's directed, it's not talked.
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About behave yourself. Look at the rest of those
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stories I know. Brainomorbius.
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The Demons, The Daleks. So in terms of stories, so in
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terms of scripts, is this his weakest story that he was given
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to direct? I think he does a good job from
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what we can say, I think, but in terms of the stories.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'd probably say so.
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Well, stuff like Brain and Morbids has got such vivid
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imagery, even on the page. What they written down here?
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Oh yeah, a futuristic set and a cave and a forest.
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Are you going to like that? Exciting.
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Well, this is very much. There's a lot of walking up and
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down caves and Brain and Morbius in very similar fashion
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actually. Do you know, I was looking up
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the composer Raymond Jones before this?
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He didn't do much of the music, you know, which is a shame
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because he's very good. He's got his strings out quite a
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bit. Don't look well, does he?
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I just can't get over him not having a tie.
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You know when he went out for a Curry with Ferris Lambert and?
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What was his name? The director, Warren Hussain.
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He probably looked a bit like that then, You know, I think I
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know why this story isn't very well remembered, why I think
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it's sort of mired in cliches. You know, the rich leaching off
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the poor savages versus the posh people quarries.
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Like what really stands out here.
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I know. I'm not saying it's bad.
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I do think it's a fun story. There's some more moving footage
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that we've got there. Well, I think it's this
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impression of this mind swap idea.
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You know, it gets about 10 minutes and screens interesting.
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I would choose this if it existed, or I would choose to
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listen to this over some other sixty stories, like maybe the
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Space Museum or something like that.
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Oh, it keeps leaping into life. I know every time it leaps be
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like we made a terrible mistake, we all forgot that it exists.
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You know when you stare at me and my heart skips a beat?
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That's exactly what happens when reconstructions leap into life
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like that. But William Harnell?
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He's back. He really is on form here.
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Yeah, he's really, he really is that strong.
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I don't buy that. Like he was strong.
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He's weak. No, like he was strong in
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episode one. It's just he had.
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But is that because he hasn't been given these bits to do he's
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had? No, he's had a bit of episode
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off. He's not relentlessly having
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every week speech, speech, speech.
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He's got a bit of time to sit in bed with Heather Hartnell and
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not do your script. I think when he gets the
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opportunity, I when it's on the page, he's really trying to
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impress that. Remember the end of episode?
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Is it two or three of the war machines where he steps up in
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front of the war machine? And he's never looked more
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commanding and he's basically saying this is still my fucking
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show or I and I'm the best. I wonder if if the seasons
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weren't as long if they'd made, you know.
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Well, they did that like, yeah, if they went to that model, if
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they went to that model, now he and he'd be able to manage and
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you have like you work six months, six months off.
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They almost he would have been able to continue it if they.
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Just started the younger. Sort of more energetic.
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Patrick Trout and and they nearly fucking killed him by the
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walk. Patrick Trout and couldn't have
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done it. And that's when they went, oh,
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actually, maybe the way we're making this is wrong and Pertway
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comes along and goes, well, I'm going to go off to IB for twice
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a year, for six months, he's off clubbing.
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So you've only got me for half a year.
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It is a shame, isn't it? Because he could have just done
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a little bit more and then there would have been a bit more time
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maybe on the script, I suppose. I don't know how it worked, but
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maybe it must have had to have a certain amount of episodes a
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year to make it work or the money or whatever.
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I don't know. You'd lose.
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Or you just have shorter stories.
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You have two two-part 2 parters. You realize you're eliminating
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Doctor Who here. I know.
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But then if the quality goes up and you get more William
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Hartnell. Yeah, that's true.
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That's all these what ifs but. Then if we have more William
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Hartnell, we'd have less Patrick Trout.
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We might not have Patrick Trout at all, though.
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His hair is a terrible disarray in this episode.
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Not not as much as Chow, leader of the Savages, but it's pretty
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bad. You always say.
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You know when William Hartnell's got lots of humor.
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You know when he goes? It'd be.
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Very, very dangerous. And did I just feel like I wish
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it was my granddad's, you know, or just my daddy?
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So what do you think of you and Solon and Planet of Evil then?
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He's pretty scary in that. He's pretty good in that, I
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think. No, you're talking about
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Frederick Jaeger. Oh, sorry.
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Yeah, sorry. He's the sensible 1, isn't he?
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Yes. Give the order.
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It's that one, yeah. Oh, here we go.
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We've got heart and all facing up against Jano now, so is he
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basically talking to himself? No, they aren't their own
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people, they've just got these elements of the personalities,
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haven't they? It's just rubbed off for now.
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I think the Doctor is still the Doctor, but now Jano has bits of
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the Doctor in him whole. Another story.
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And that is the rudest line ever to be asked on the Hudson of a
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Blum Pen knife. And the last thing we want to
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think about is Frederick Jaeger and William Martin having sex
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together. Good grief.
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Oh no. Look exhausted.
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Take a little. Bit off.
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I think we've said this before in episode one.
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They're very Dominator like costumes.
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The guards, aren't they? They're a dominator meets a
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rowboat man, basically. Don't say Dominator is too loud.
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All right. We'll be listening.
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Stephen follows. Stephen's going around doing.
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He's firing everyone. He's worth some bloody Nissa.
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Really, He is loving. This Stephen and Nissa, they're
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that's who you don't want to give a gun to.
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It's a massacre, a little bit of a blurry tellist.
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I think those helmets look a bit like the robo men, you know,
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I've literally said that already.
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Have you? I really don't listen to you.
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You are not listening to me at all this time.
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You're too transfixed on these amazing performances from the
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savages. John Cura's work is.
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Beguiling me. I'm going to try it there
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though. John, your tease.
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Ready. I've got to do a commentary on
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the Wedding of River Song next week.
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I'm going to try and get 60 still images of the Wedding of
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River Song and try and tell the story.
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I could do it, do you think with any of the any of the stories
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that have been I suppose animated doesn't really count,
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but ones that have found that the telestamps have ever been
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misleading or anything, I wonder what the most sort of
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misleading. Fear from the deep.
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There was no telesnaps where they all had long arms like Mr.
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Tickle, like you had in the animation.
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No Who? How can a telesnap be
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misleading? Well, like just you don't really
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know. You can't see the actions, you
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can't see the mannerisms. And, you know, somebody might
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sound like they're doing something, but it might be
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something completely different. And change the whole emphasis of
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that scene. You just don't know, do you?
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I like it's just having all those unknowns.
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There is any other show that is poured over like missing
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episodes, so I poured over for the missing team much.
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Detail, Yeah, yeah. But.
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And do you think there's another fan base that does this?
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Probably not to this extent. Like, has anyone ever caught you
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watching a reconstruction? And you've had to be sort of
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going Oh yeah, I'm watching still images of Doctor really.
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I don't in fact. Oh my God when you on Mark's
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podcast to watch you. When Sarah Tube was doing these
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she found them interminable didn't she?
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Because she used to modern day TV there, isn't she?
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She really enjoyed and the stories which just tell us that.
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I think savages came across well.
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Did she know that one? Yeah, but then when the story
22:37
started moving gunfire, she weren't impressed.
22:42
Come rain or sign, shine, Sarah Chu were like all the stories
22:47
with a terrible reputation. Yeah, that's what happens.
22:51
You just a time flight. Did you like that?
22:52
It wasn't bad. Yeah, there you go.
22:57
What's going on here? Who's that man there?
22:59
He looks like Stephen Muffet. Did you see him with the black
23:02
hair? So we coming up to the climax
23:05
now where Steven is? Well, the lab's going to get
23:08
smashed up very soon. So does Jano just say that's it?
23:12
Our dreams of being superior beings are over.
23:16
We need to be kind to the savages.
23:19
I think that's a conscience, doesn't he?
23:21
Because of the the moral. He gets the morals, doesn't he?
23:24
Well then, is this the story where the Doctor has the most
23:27
influence on the planet while he leaves his companion and two?
23:32
He literally gives his mind to the evil ruler.
23:35
It's Jano's fault. That is true.
23:39
That is true. Could you do that?
23:41
If you could take on someone else's mind for a bit, you know,
23:43
just sort of a top layer, no no. Why are you looking at me like
23:48
that? My mind's not that diseased, you
23:50
know. You'd have a wonderful time with
23:52
my mind in your ears. Did I ask Stephen Morphe?
23:56
What's that character's name? Not really.
24:00
I never knew you were in the 60s.
24:02
Doctor Who? Oh, that's right.
24:04
He's saying you really. It's an evil machine, a wordy
24:07
climax, isn't it? I don't have that.
24:09
There's not too. I mean, there's a smashing up at
24:10
the end and everything, but there's not a great.
24:14
I feel like it's quite a quiet revolution in a way.
24:18
Not really a revolution, is it? Not really bloody enough.
24:21
No, you're right. And it's not really sort of, you
24:24
know, you know, you're thinking about teens smashing the
24:26
machine, you know, bringing down.
24:28
The authority figures that's done more in the Crotons, isn't
24:32
it? Yes, when you have the students
24:33
going into the museum and literally smashing machines,
24:37
Yeah, here we go. All this equipment is being
24:40
smashed up. Yeah, dodo the wash dodo.
24:43
The doctor's got a stick. Jesus.
24:47
They're. A lot of them.
24:51
We're going to need this technology if I'm taking over.
24:54
Do you think this was the one take thing to smash everything
24:57
up like and Barbara in the city of Morphos in the Keys of
25:00
Mariners, where she misses the look?
25:04
At that dope. Jesus, she's going to push that
25:06
glass coming so far. She's like, finally some action.
25:11
I always wanted to be one of The Avengers.
25:16
That chair's gone flying through.
25:19
Jesus Christ thing. Oh, why?
25:22
Can that person with the city film be filming this place?
25:24
No, exactly. Yeah, it's all collapsed.
25:27
It's been completely annihilated, you see.
25:29
This is where it could be misleading on television that
25:31
but it could have looked really rubbish.
25:32
No, I like to pretend it looks amazing.
25:34
Oh, we got a little bit of. Foot.
25:36
Here we go now. Yeah.
25:38
Oh, look, there's there's some watch.
25:40
Toto with that Crow Bar really knocked out William Martin with
25:44
that. Do you?
25:45
Remember that sequence at the end of The Visitation where
25:48
Janet Fielden smacking the gum Tera Leptil with the gum?
25:51
She is in the patch on dodo in this.
25:53
Did you see her? I didn't realize how many cine
25:55
footage bits there are from this.
25:59
Oh, I wish Dodo had been more violent.
26:01
She could have been the ace of the 60s.
26:03
Who you calling small, Being up a Dalek?
26:08
You up on my night? She never you up to?
26:10
Sorry. That's got some poor bloody
26:12
actor in there. Jackie, stop and it's still
26:20
going on. Not sure what's going on now.
26:22
Steven moves across to help defend Jano.
26:25
Oh, there we go. He's like, no, no, don't hurt
26:28
him, please. All right.
26:30
He now sees the Doctor and points the gun at him.
26:33
I'm sure this is very useful to everyone and now we're coming up
26:35
to this Steven's decision very soon.
26:39
His noble decision to take over the Planet of the Savages, It
26:43
could have been called planet decision, but we've had that
26:45
already, haven't we? Yeah, what was it you said?
26:48
Goodbye, Steven. God, you weren't fingering up
26:51
these tiles. I'd have called it, you know,
26:55
the departure of dooms. Here we go.
26:59
They're asking Steven to to keep stay on the planet.
27:04
So now Hartnell delivers the lines and he goes, well, my boy,
27:07
you know. You know, I think you'll do a
27:09
good job here. Whereas, you know, the second A
27:11
said car, they're like going fuck off then Peter, you leave
27:15
me like everybody else. You know, he didn't a lot of
27:18
people go in, did he? Well, no, because everything's
27:20
changing around him and he's. I think he quite needed that,
27:24
didn't he? I think he knew his time was up.
27:27
I don't know. I know I do.
27:28
At this point I think he knew. But then is this, Do they have a
27:31
recording break here? Is this summer holiday time?
27:35
It's the war machine is the end of the block, and then it's
27:39
still got another one to go. And apparently he didn't like
27:42
these sort of young, hip swinging 60s companions today,
27:47
so I think it's just new people. He didn't like the tone of the
27:49
show either, the fact that there was such murder in it.
27:52
Now, whether to be fair, there was a fair bit of murder in
27:55
Doctor Who. That might have been a
27:57
convenient excuse. I I do think it's, I do think it
28:03
is a good thing that he cared about the integrity of the show.
28:07
I don't think it's a good thing that he took it out on the
28:10
production team Well, if they're being, they're not doing their
28:14
best, then he's going to tell them.
28:16
Yeah, but you're you do have what you're doing there
28:19
encouraging workplace bullying. Well, I don't know if it was
28:22
that bad. I like how so much time is given
28:27
to this discussion because it could have been worse.
28:30
It could have been. I've decided to stay.
28:33
After all this. He literally could have put the
28:34
crowbar down and gone, right. I'm staying.
28:37
And look, I love the way that Dodo sort of really throws
28:39
herself into his arm and he grabs her head.
28:41
That's the way I grab You're worried just like that look?
28:45
Yeah. Oh look Jay, it's got changed.
28:48
It's given that. I don't know if that's because
28:49
there's not enough plot, but it's given the discussion, it's
28:53
given the wrap up that. I do still think it feels like
28:57
it feels quite brief. It'll be a couple of minutes.
29:00
That's not like Ben and Polly. They weren't even in half their
29:05
last story. That's not like in a bar.
29:06
Wow. Dodo next, they mean.
29:08
A bar for 10 minutes? Yeah, she's hugging Steven.
29:10
And be like I could have had a better dodo hugging Steven here.
29:14
He's more of a goodbye for Dodo than it is for her in the war
29:17
machines. Yeah.
29:17
In fact, she might as well just. Why did you stay with him?
29:21
Just stay there. The two of them there.
29:22
Yeah. And then the Doctor lands meets
29:24
Polly. Polly does that weird nose thing
29:26
in the office. This is my secretary.
29:28
And then he could have gone off there.
29:32
Yeah. Why didn't Dodo stay?
29:33
There have been Queen of Savages with Stephen.
29:36
That would be amazing. It's moving again, yeah.
29:40
Well, I must say, young man, you've got yourself a nice
29:43
little position here, haven't you?
29:48
There's lows moving now there's the most clips moving in Episode
29:53
4, isn't there? Handshake between the Doctor and
29:57
Steven. That's lovely.
29:59
In fact, look at that. It's exactly the same shot you
30:02
got in Planet of Fire with the Doctor and Tolo.
30:06
Tolo tolo, oh, and dodo's. Come along, my dear.
30:12
It's time. We're off.
30:13
It's very similar, isn't it? Yeah, might as well be shot for
30:17
sure. Oh no.
30:18
She's touching a red look. Everyone's sort of violating
30:21
dodo in this episode. One of my.
30:26
She ended up with an STD. She got used to being touched.
30:30
They go off arm in arm. Actually, this is all very nice,
30:33
isn't it? This is all very sweet.
30:37
Did we actually see Steven again or?
30:38
No. That was it.
30:39
He looked around and then looked back and off he went onto his
30:42
thing. I mean, he didn't even pick up
30:43
hifi. He didn't get his stuff from the
30:45
TARDIS. It's Panda.
30:48
Oh yeah, he took it into the TARDIS.
30:50
He could have gone back. No one ever goes back and gets
30:52
this stuff from the TARDIS. It looks like the machines have
30:54
started working again. Well, I think that, yeah, things
30:58
against Steven will sort it out, don't worry.
31:00
Look at that gorgeous shot. I don't know why.
31:01
I love shots of the TARDIS from above like that.
31:04
That looks gorgeous. Christopher Barry, You've earned
31:08
your money. He does well, yeah.
31:11
And that's it. That's just the ending.
31:13
Todd is taking off. Oh yeah, next week, the warm
31:17
machines. So I think people should give
31:20
this another go, even if it's just listening to the audio,
31:23
even the target book, you know? And hopefully one day no.
31:30
But just to know the story because just people just don't
31:33
know the story. I don't.
31:34
Think, is this out as a soundtrack with linking
31:38
narration? Yes.
31:39
But Peter Pervis? Yes.
31:41
Wow. Listen, I'll say that.
31:42
Do you know what? I do?
31:43
Like the reconstructions, but I think I prefer those
31:46
soundtracks, you know? Well, yes, it just depends what
31:50
I mean. Hopefully one day this will be
31:52
animated, or that person in the basement will be fed up of
31:54
watching it every night and want to give it out.
31:57
But until then we've there's a few ways you can.
32:01
Why is it in a basement? I don't know.
32:02
I just. That's how I imagined them.
32:04
Well, some evil super that was sitting in their basement.
32:06
Well, with all the story and all these films that, well, it's not
32:09
just going to be in their living room, is it?
32:11
If it's so secret and precious, maybe it is.
32:14
I don't know. Well, look, we have to find
32:16
three reasons to recommend the Savage Dog that mean it's going
32:18
to be hard. We'll start with you.
32:20
The guest performance of Frederick Jaegerbaum.
32:26
I think he does. He's, and he's, he's a forgotten
32:31
adversary, isn't he? Yeah, in a way.
32:33
But the way that he takes on the personality of the Doctor, it's
32:37
something that hasn't been, what do I say?
32:39
Adversary, Adversary. Whatever, whatever.
32:42
Well, you know how people always have a go at you for
32:44
mispronouncing me? I know we always do.
32:46
Podcast you watch you. I think if I'll start your
32:49
education now, by the time we get 20 years later, you'll be
32:54
able to say everything perfectly.
32:55
I was at the end of your first thing.
32:56
That was my first. OK.
32:58
I am going to say Raymond Jones's music, which is very
33:01
distinct. It's all woodwinds and strings,
33:04
and I like the sort of tinkling music when they're exploring the
33:07
city at the beginning, and I like that da da da.
33:13
Crazy strings when the drama hits.
33:16
It's it's very unique sounding Doctor Who story.
33:20
I'm going to say the writing for Dodo.
33:23
She's really written well in this.
33:25
I mean, if you've only maybe seen that, you know the
33:28
Celestial Toy Maker episode where she's written as a
33:30
complete child, child and you're like, oh, she must be the most
33:34
annoying companion ever. She is rolling that dice all
33:38
over the place and everything. Then watch this, give this a try
33:41
because it really does show what her character can do her
33:44
exploring that city in episode one or not.
33:47
You know, not taking everything for granted that they see around
33:51
like Steven does. Actually, it's the beginning.
33:52
She's the one that notices something's going on and wanders
33:55
off into the laboratory. Laboratory.
33:59
Laboratory, not laboratory. Are you ready?
34:03
Your education continues. Laboratory.
34:04
No. Laboratory.
34:07
Laboratory just pronouncing strange.
34:09
Laboratory. Anyway, it's the writing of
34:12
Dodo. OK.
34:14
And Joe, I do think as they go along, they're getting better at
34:17
writing her. Because I think in the art and
34:20
the special, she is written young and then she starts having
34:23
some fun in the gunfight. Remember that line She goes,
34:26
I'll have a bash when she's on the piano and yeah, and that
34:30
she's very useful here. And may I'll say very
34:33
destructive at the climax. And the way that they write her
34:35
out in, Oh no, sorry, forget that.
34:40
In the war machines, it's just, Oh no, that was a joke.
34:47
What's the joke? So they didn't give her a good
34:49
right? Sorry, I thought I was missing
34:51
something. I mean, she is written out,
34:55
Polly says. She says she'd like to stay with
34:57
her, aren't in the country and thanks for the inventions.
35:01
Terrible. What's that mean?
35:02
Where? Who wrote Ian Stuart Black?
35:05
Right in The War Machines? So again, is your scene for
35:12
Dodo's leaving done yet? Next question, See ya.
35:18
What's that mean? No, that was a terrible story.
35:24
I did not explain that very well, But you can imagine that
35:26
like, this is really great. We just need that last scene.
35:30
You're probably all as apple as I am.
35:32
I know what I mean. My second thing then is.
35:37
Because I think that some of the nuts and bolts of this story are
35:42
quite cliched, running around a quarry and stuff like that.
35:45
I do really like the psychological angle of the
35:49
Doctor imprinting on Jano. And I think the sequences where
35:53
he's really struggling with the two personalities would have
35:56
been really interesting to see. In fact, it would have been a
35:59
bit like Frederick Jaeger playing Professor Sorenson in
36:02
Planet of Evil, struggling with two personalities, which is what
36:06
he does. He must be like, why is it every
36:08
time I'm in Doctor, I'm skipped. So fucking Frenic, what's that
36:13
word? Too much, don't I, On this?
36:15
Anyway, back to you. I would say it gives Steven the
36:20
send off that he deserves king of a planet.
36:23
He is a king. King.
36:25
He is a king. King of a planet.
36:29
He is a king. He is a king.
36:30
Yeah. So I'm glad that they did give
36:33
that time and they thought about it a bit.
36:36
Okay, they didn't think about it loads.
36:38
Do you think he was a benevolent ruler?
36:41
I think he got stuck down to it straight away, yeah.
36:44
Yeah. What sort of world do you think
36:46
he created? I think a very nice peaceful.
36:48
Sort of. Post technology, yeah.
36:49
I think because he knows his science.
36:51
He's a space pilot. He knows what's.
36:53
Going on, I've never mentioned it.
36:55
It's his first story, but it's as I say, they could have just
36:58
married him off or something. That's true.
37:01
I mean the only other thing, unless he was killed off, you
37:04
wouldn't really. Not another death, not another
37:07
one. In season three, that would have
37:08
been another one. No, you couldn't have done that.
37:13
So I think at least they've given it some thought compared
37:17
to everyone around them. That's fair.
37:20
Well then, the final. I would like to say Christopher
37:23
Barry's direction, but actually I'm going to reserve my final
37:26
spot for the Governor, William Hartnell.
37:29
We've had a lot of discussion of other First Doctors in this
37:32
commentary, but there is only one, and whilst he's written out
37:38
of episode 3. He gets to be very funny.
37:42
And first of all, he's sort of the investigator always
37:45
wandering around with his reacting vibrator in episode one
37:48
and doing his sort of, you know, scientific exploration, these
37:53
people, a great time of peace and prosperity.
37:56
Then he gets to do is, you know, that's one thing you haven't
38:00
thought about that I will oppose you and defeat you.
38:03
I know that's the second time I've done that.
38:04
But anyway, he does moral indignation brilliantly.
38:09
Then episode 3 gets to have stroke, which looks very
38:12
convincing. And then in episode 4, even in
38:16
his weakened state, he has great authority.
38:18
And then he gets that touching moment with Steven at the end of
38:21
the story where he shakes his hand.
38:23
He's marvelous. William Hartnell, you have not
38:25
been bested. I know you can't hear this.
38:27
We ain't got weed sports, so we can't contact you.
38:29
But you're still the governor, yeah, I agreed.
38:34
Agreed. Agreed.
38:37
Agreed. No, you agree?
38:40
I'm just saying agreed. Yeah, that is.
38:46
And I think everyone should give the savages a try as a
38:49
unexplored Hartnell. I hope you all have as much fun
38:54
with it as we have. Can I just ask you one question
38:58
before we go very well. Well, where are we heading next?
39:01
I don't know. In our.
39:02
Host of a blunt penknife journey?
39:04
I don't know. I've got a feeling, you know,
39:06
you and I are going to be watching a Jodie Whitaker
39:09
episode. Oh, OK.
39:10
Featuring recently cancelled Krishnoff great, Recently
39:14
cancelled John Barrowman. Brilliant.
39:17
Not recently cancelled, No Clark.
39:21
Revolution of the Daleks. Let's give it a go.
39:24
Well, I think this is a bit of a divisive episode.
39:27
Do you? Are you positive about it?
39:29
Oh, I am positive about it, actually, you are.
39:31
Yeah. I can't wait after what you just
39:33
done with the savages. I can't wait to see what you do
39:35
with that one and shout out to the person that did the cine
39:38
footage back in the 80s of this. If you're still around, let us
39:42
know. Have you got anymore, you know,
39:44
well done for doing that. And can I just say absolutely.
39:47
Do you know who else is a king? John Cura.
39:49
Yeah. Let's just say thank you to
39:51
John. Cura, thank you.
39:52
John is still with us. No, thank you, John.
39:55
Cura, taking those snaps, I know you were distracted at points.
39:59
You're probably having a cigarette somewhere or or having
40:02
your dinner while you're just pressing, you know, play on the
40:06
on the camera. But well done.
40:07
Thanks so much for doing that. And honestly, your integrity for
40:12
getting that shot of Michael Craig's with his tits out?
40:15
Yes, when we see it was a bird first.
40:20
Thank you so much. Thank you.
40:21
So much, but also thank you to the person that probably has
40:25
this episode somewhere. If you do, please hand it over
40:29
and send it in, all right, yeah. Everyone is willing to give one
40:33
pound. I realize that we only have
40:35
£100.00 at the end, but we are willing to send you a check.
40:38
I just want to see some savages. Well, let's go then.