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Patriots Unfiltered 10/21: Breaking Down the Patriots 31-13 Win Over the Titans · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: Themes how many times the show he makes fun of
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  Speaker 4: me I might have been a certain someone.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Julius Stadium, and they're becoming victory Tuesdays more and more.
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  Speaker 5: Four to row, Baby, get tues yet, it's nottty close.
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  Speaker 5: I sick of the twelve I want to get back
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  Speaker 5: to thirteen win seasons. All right, we don't know more
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  Speaker 5: of this twelve win stuff. Let's get to thirteen on.
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  Speaker 2: Top of the AFC East, second best record in the AFC. Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: let's go, baby.
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  Speaker 4: You get a fresh cut there, Freddy?
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  Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, yeah, jail barber down here in.
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  Speaker 4: Five Morning Street, you get fresh cuts? Look ye coming up?
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  Speaker 1: We didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't notice it's going there. I heard Rabel's been
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 4: I might have heard that as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, might have heard that from a little birdie
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  Speaker 3: to g.
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  Speaker 2: L barber down in Foxborough.
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  Speaker 5: They did, they know, they know who Evan is. They
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  Speaker 5: give Evan. They they kne who you were, They knew
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  Speaker 5: the boss man.
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  Speaker 2: He said, how's how's my friend Evan?
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  Speaker 4: He's probably like it's been like three or four weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Where is he?
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's doing good? I said, he's working hard,
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  Speaker 2: working hard time.
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  Speaker 1: Three road games in a row, hard to get over there.
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  Speaker 2: So but enough of the barber shop talk. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: to the Patriots. We need to talk about this game
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  Speaker 2: and what we learned, what we should be excited about. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: what are the things that could hurt them down the road.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we talk about it all here, We talk
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  Speaker 2: about it all. But the first things. First, freaking May, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Drake freaking May. What did you have ninety completion rate?
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  Speaker 2: This is insane?
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  Speaker 4: And I have a little aside.
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  Speaker 2: Has the league ever seen this before?
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  Speaker 4: I have a question for Evan. Yes, Paul, I saw
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  Speaker 4: on one of your sites that that was tweeted out yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: So it was what was it ninety one nine something? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: so you had two incomplete passes? Right, one of your
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  Speaker 4: sites has expected completion percentage or something. C Poe. It
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  Speaker 4: was actually higher than that. And I would like you,
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  Speaker 4: in my mind's eye, see when you only have two
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  Speaker 4: incomplete passes. You can remember them. Yeah, one of them
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  Speaker 4: he threw over the over Kyle Williams on the sideline
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  Speaker 4: like just wasn't I didn't didn't really look right. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if it was a I didn't think it
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  Speaker 4: was a great route by Kyle Williams, but the ball
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  Speaker 4: was high, no chance. And the other one I think
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  Speaker 4: was a throwaway.
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  Speaker 3: The other one he got hit off the edge, so
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  Speaker 3: it actually was under pressure. A quarterback hit blits off
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  Speaker 3: the edge to Hunter Henry over the middle of the
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  Speaker 3: field that was there if there was no pressure.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, So that answers my question. That's how you
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  Speaker 4: get a higher expected completion percentage with to me like
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  Speaker 4: no chance to complete the two incomplete passes. Evidently they
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  Speaker 4: thought he should have. I don't know. I don't. I
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  Speaker 4: don't get that whole expected thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a big well even the throat to Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Williams four minutes into the show.
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  Speaker 6: And.
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  Speaker 4: I just how I wanted to know how it worked. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean again, when you complete over ninety percent of
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  Speaker 4: your passes and there's only two incomplete passes, right, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think he had any chance to complete the first one.
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  Speaker 4: The Kyle Williams. But evidently they did.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, not the first one, but the second one
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  Speaker 3: was there just the pressure came off the edge and
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  Speaker 3: he was hit as he was throwing the football, so
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  Speaker 3: it went into the dirt instead to the receiver. So
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's what it. I'm not exactly sure what the
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  Speaker 3: number is, like.
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  Speaker 4: Ninety five five or something like that was his. I
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  Speaker 4: just I'm curious too how sometimes how those numbers are tabulated.
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  Speaker 2: But this is astounding, the numbers that he's putting up.
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  Speaker 2: And he's not throwing it thirty forty times a game,
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  Speaker 2: I get it. And he's not racking up over three
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  Speaker 2: hundred yards.
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  Speaker 4: But he also ain't checked down, Charlie.
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  Speaker 2: No, but he's not checked down. He's he's run, Charlie.
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  Speaker 2: He'll say, that's why.
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  Speaker 4: That's why the completion percentage is as high as it is.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, because he's not throwing the ball away.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's what I noticed to me.
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  Speaker 2: He's putting his life at risk.
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  Speaker 5: When everybody's covered. Those become instead of sacks or they
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  Speaker 5: become four yards.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they're either they're either sacks or runs. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 4: got sacked four times and he ran like eight times.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and one of the sacks I think was at
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  Speaker 5: the line screw. But you know, like that's just where
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  Speaker 5: you start to see the benefit of having a mobile
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  Speaker 5: quarterback is there's nobody open right now. Like on you know,
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  Speaker 5: Calid full of plays, there's nobody open top run four
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  Speaker 5: or five yards maybe more, maybe a little less negative
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  Speaker 5: out of the negative.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of in the little bit on your side
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  Speaker 3: of the street on this one, because not too The
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  Speaker 3: point that I'm trying to make here is is that
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  Speaker 3: I think this team has a real chance to go
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  Speaker 3: to the playoffs, and so if we're really talking about
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  Speaker 3: how do they continue to improve, especially against the level
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  Speaker 3: of competition that they're playing against, He's going to complete
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of passes against the Titans, like he just is,
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  Speaker 3: like he's they're that good at this point. He's that
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  Speaker 3: good at this point. Some of the scrambles in this game,
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  Speaker 3: and he said it after the game as well, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't love all of the scrambled decisions in this game.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it gets exacerbated a little bit by
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  Speaker 3: the fact that he goes into briefly gets evaluated for
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  Speaker 3: a concussion, and you sit there and you say, well,
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  Speaker 3: do you really need that against the Tennessee Titans. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: in week fifteen against the Bills with the division on
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  Speaker 3: the line, you see green grass and you take off
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  Speaker 3: and you try to get a first down with your
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  Speaker 3: life or whatever. But I think that that's something that
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen I get it. I I hear what people
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  Speaker 3: are saying. They want to preserve this guy. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you have to be cautious and when you do run,
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  Speaker 3: you have to be you have to protect yourself.
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  Speaker 2: He was a little bit you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about it on the Post Came Show.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a fine line between but you know, getting
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  Speaker 5: down a little earlier too maybe and you know those
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  Speaker 5: couple of yards, but avoiding that late contact.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't want him to stop running.
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  Speaker 4: No, I want him to run when he needs when
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  Speaker 4: he needs to. Well, not every time that the play
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  Speaker 4: breaks down. Sometimes you're better off just throwing it away
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  Speaker 4: first down. As an example, just throw it away third
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  Speaker 4: third and eight. It breaks down and you got to
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  Speaker 4: go get the first down. I don't think anybody has
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  Speaker 4: any problem with that. Or just play quarterback like I.
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  Speaker 3: And look, we're saying this as a way of like
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  Speaker 3: this is what's going to prevent them from winning a
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  Speaker 3: playoff game.
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  Speaker 4: Not in a way of like we have a new
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  Speaker 4: show disclaimer, right whatever, just said, we're now evaluating this
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  Speaker 4: team in a whole different light than what we've done
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  Speaker 4: the last two years. It's now about this is a
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  Speaker 4: playoff team. What are the things they need to do
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  Speaker 4: better to be a quality playoff team? You know, like
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  Speaker 4: what could yeah, what could possibly derail you on the way.
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  Speaker 4: It's a whole new disclaimer, right.
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  Speaker 3: So they you know, he had a couple like the
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  Speaker 3: red zone one he rushed for four yards.
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  Speaker 4: He ran out of bounds on that one.
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  Speaker 3: But he's got Hunter Henry just like sitting right down
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  Speaker 3: on the goal line and he's open, and he's right
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  Speaker 3: there for it, and he just runs and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I get it, Like I'm I'm sitting there watching this
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  Speaker 3: on a computer screen, like I'm not out there in
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  Speaker 3: a live pocket in the NFL feeling the pressure and
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  Speaker 3: feeling the rush and all those different types of things.
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  Speaker 3: But you would just like to see him just sit
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  Speaker 3: in the pocket and just make the throw. Or you
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  Speaker 3: know there's another one where he ran for uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: got try to get out of the pocket and ends
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  Speaker 3: up getting tackled for like a short game where if
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  Speaker 3: he just comes off the front side of the progression
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  Speaker 3: and gets to the backside of the progression, he has
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  Speaker 3: Ormandra Stevenson on the little hitch just wide open on
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  Speaker 3: the back side of the progression. But he goes one
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  Speaker 3: read and then I'm off, you know, I'm out of
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  Speaker 3: the pocket. And those are just again nitpicks, But like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that I just want to keep the guy
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  Speaker 3: very much nit. This guy's playing at an MVP level.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure they're gonna go over the film. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to show him you could have had this, you
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  Speaker 2: could have had I talked about it a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope he learns that. But until then, I
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  Speaker 2: still want him to trust his instincts.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't want him to stop running. I'm with
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  Speaker 4: you on that, you know, Like.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like I'd rather have them lose because he
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  Speaker 2: was Drake May was being Drake May and he got
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  Speaker 2: hurt than lose because he's losing his instincts and still
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  Speaker 2: out there.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know when you say he got hurt,
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  Speaker 3: like that's the worst case scenario because he can sit
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  Speaker 3: in the pocket and dice teams up, so like I
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  Speaker 3: don't like him getting hurt. Is exactly why I feel
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  Speaker 3: this way. Sure everybody, when he ran off the field
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday and he went in the medical ten, I
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  Speaker 3: was like here, oh great, Like here we go, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and like the that's the one thing that is going
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  Speaker 3: to derail him one year.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to learn. He's got to build up his
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  Speaker 2: neck muscles. So when I wrestled, we did these things
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  Speaker 2: called neck bridges, and I swear to God, I've fallen
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  Speaker 2: hard over time, even recently. Like I remember I was
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  Speaker 2: going down my wooden ramp on the tool shed and
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  Speaker 2: my legs came out. I hit my back so hard
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  Speaker 2: my wife heard it from inside the house. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: hit my head, though, because I have this instinct I
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  Speaker 2: immediately bow my neck when I go down and my
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  Speaker 2: head doesn't flop around. You can teach that, you can
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  Speaker 2: you build up your neck muscle, you do your neck bridges.
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  Speaker 5: I want to see Fred doing neck bridges in front
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  Speaker 5: of drakes.
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  Speaker 4: The falling is like the same as getting hit on
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  Speaker 4: an NFL field. Like none of these guys that get
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  Speaker 4: tackled on a regular basis in the NFL do neck bridges,
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  Speaker 4: I guess because they all hit their head on the turn.
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  Speaker 2: Not all of them do, they all do. All of
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  Speaker 2: them do.
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  Speaker 4: Fortunately, in this particular case, when you when you hit
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  Speaker 4: your head on the turf, it doesn't automatically translate to
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  Speaker 4: a concussion, which evidently was the case this week for
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  Speaker 4: Drake May. But he got us up and he's shaking
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  Speaker 4: it like Mike and I were like, oh, he's going
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  Speaker 4: to get We knew the independent spot or if he
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  Speaker 4: was doing his job was good. I mean, how could
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  Speaker 4: you see that and not at least have him get checked. Untunately,
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  Speaker 4: he only made a couple.
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  Speaker 2: I know, my fellow wrestlers out there and people who
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  Speaker 2: have done their neck exercise over time will back me up.
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  Speaker 2: You can not eliminate it, but reduce it.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't want him to stop running because I
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  Speaker 4: think that's a big part of his game, and I
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  Speaker 4: think his athleticism and all that is a huge part
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  Speaker 4: of what he does. But I do think in the
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  Speaker 4: regular season, you know, especially earlier in the season, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when these games are not on the line, a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more judicially, like Evan said, you know, Josh Allen's
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  Speaker 4: done a good job. I think Mahomes has done. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Mahomes started run a little bit more like last year
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  Speaker 4: because the offense needed him to run more. But there
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  Speaker 4: was a time where he would be a whole different
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  Speaker 4: guy in the playoffs than he was in the regular season.
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  Speaker 4: Terms there was running.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Drake freaking May Kay, Shawn freaking Booty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this guy. Every week, whatever is thrown to him, he catches.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's like, it's some of these catches aren't
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  Speaker 2: just your normal catches, Like that one. I thought for
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  Speaker 2: sure that was overthrown in the N zone. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: he just you know, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, we could sit here in gush about
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  Speaker 3: like ten different throws of Drake Mays in this game,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that that's all well and good. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the one to Booty is a great throw.
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  Speaker 3: One of Hollands along the sideline is a great throw.
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  Speaker 3: The other one to Booty is another great throw with
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  Speaker 3: pressures and digs.
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  Speaker 4: One is in the digs, one on the sideline digs Hollands,
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  Speaker 4: and then the Booty touchdown. Those three, you know, Mike
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  Speaker 4: and I talked about for like ten minutes.
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  Speaker 1: On the both sidelines down the field in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean the one to Booty on the
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  Speaker 3: left sideline and off screen is like Will Campbell's right
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  Speaker 3: in his lap, so he's playing in a phone booth
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  Speaker 3: and he has no there's no pocket to step into.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that he gets that ball there, I
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  Speaker 4: thought Boody did a great job on that. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: when that ball was thrown, we were like, that was
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  Speaker 4: very mac Jones.
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  Speaker 3: There's just not a lot of quarterbacks that have the
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  Speaker 3: arm strength to get the ball outside the numbers with
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  Speaker 3: pressure in their lap like that. And so when you
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  Speaker 3: have that ability, like it just opens the entire field.
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  Speaker 4: Like he can make it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's cliche, but like he can literally make
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  Speaker 3: every single throw.
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  Speaker 2: And the catch by Pop Douglas, how did he change
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  Speaker 2: his direction and able to reach out behind him?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like those are the types of plays
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  Speaker 3: to me the last couple of years that that's a
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  Speaker 3: drop right, Like that's that's an incomplete pass. And then
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  Speaker 3: we get on the show and I we have to
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  Speaker 3: talk about sitting versus own, versus breaking versus man and
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  Speaker 3: all this different type of stuff. But when you're rolling,
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  Speaker 3: you know he reaches back and makes a spider man
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  Speaker 3: catch and somehow gets the ball, you know, and he
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  Speaker 3: ran the wrong route, but he made you know that
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  Speaker 3: for sure, like ninety nine.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was zone. Mean, Mike and I talked
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  Speaker 4: about that in.
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  Speaker 2: The post, So you're thinking he should have just sat there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, especially in that situation where it's like fourth
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  Speaker 3: down and just when you have that opening in the zone,
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  Speaker 3: like just get to the sticks and turn around, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And he kind of continued to run that slant over
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the field. But you know, it's a
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  Speaker 3: great catch, and you know the fact that he made
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  Speaker 3: it again I feel like is just indicative the catch
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  Speaker 3: winning was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Might as well be the offensive coordinator, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Mac, you're dealing congratulations from four wins for
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  Speaker 3: you now he's played well.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: So really, so there's there's a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 2: to be excited about with the Patriots, Uh, you know defense.
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  Speaker 4: Can we talk about the game a little bit like
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  Speaker 4: back with the the Douglas play. Anybody anti going for
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  Speaker 4: that one? So fourth down, so to recaituation recapping, they
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  Speaker 4: had scored to close the first half to go up
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  Speaker 4: seventeen thirteen. They get the ball to start the second half,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to do the double score. You know, they're
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  Speaker 4: obviously well within field goal range inside the red zone,
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  Speaker 4: and it's fourth and three. I think I thought an
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  Speaker 4: argument could be made, take the points, get the double score,
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  Speaker 4: now you're up a touchdown, and make a bad offense
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  Speaker 4: chase you a little bit. They went for it and
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: got it, obviously, and it worked out even better because
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: they got a two score lead. But I thought an
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: argument could be made that that was a little bit aggressive.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: It goes back a little bit to a couple of
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: games ago when they settled for the three kind of
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: along your lines, We're just like felt like we needed points.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I thought they needed points on that drive, that the
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: ten straight points would have allowed the game to have changed,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: whereas they gave it a chance for one play. If
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: the Titans can just make one play and not allow
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: any points, the damn was kind of mitigated of the
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: way that half ended, But I mean not fortunately, Douglas
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: made a terrific catch YEP adjustment to you know, his route.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: I said the same thing to Evan. I was like,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: I always ask Evan on Tuesdays when he comes in,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: just curious your thoughts on it because I know he's
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: breaking this stuff down. And that's Mike and I talked
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: about that a little bit on the post game.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: So what do we make of the defense with these
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: slow starts by the defense, but then second half shutting
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: teams down.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Well see, and I did some I don't I won't
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: jump into him yet. I did some nerd research and
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be curious. I told Paul, he's gonna blow
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: your mind curious of Evan's Evan's take on them. But
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, the game changed with the three touchdown swing.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't like I didn't feel like, oh, they
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: came out and just played great in the second half.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: It's like when they came out in the second half,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, they're sitting on I mean, essentially
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: with the chase on play, they've now got a three
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: touchdown you know, three touchdown scoring streak, and the game
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: just completely changed.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: And now Tennessee's really got a.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Chase and they can pull back a little bit, and
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I just think it gives them more freedom.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: So I the Patriots.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: The score dictated the Patriots more than an adjustment at
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the Patriots, like Brady like it rang true to me
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: what Rabel said, where you know, early on they were
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: getting with some scheme stuff.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: You know, the first, i think first or second play
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: of the game where they motion a guy across and
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Tava loses him and it's an easy completion to the flat.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: You know, that rang true to me, that they're scheming
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: up coming into the game plan, and that's why teams
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: are having success, which leads me to the big question
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: of how do you prepare.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: To get schemed up out of the gate?
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Like now, you know, every team goes into a game
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: saying this is what this defense does. These are the
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: players that can put them in a tough position or
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: you know, screwed their rules a little bit.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: How do you prepare for that?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's it's not just us. A lot of
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: teams get hit early when when when that script? But
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: it's starting to become.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: There are numbers the Patriots like the third worst in
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: the league on the first two drives of the game,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: and then they're like eighth the rest and then they
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, the numbers across the board defensively are good.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: They are, And that's what's so hard to like to
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: get into this. Let's pick some knits and try to
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: really break down.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I think there's two combination of two things that you're seeing,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: and the first is, in this particular game, the offense
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: changed the game. You know, they score at the end
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: of the half, they score to start the second half,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: and then you know, now all of a sudden, Tennessee
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: can't do those little things. They can't run Pollard, they
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: can't roll little balls. They got to try to score,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: and you know, obviously cam Wood makes a huge mistake
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: on the first play after that and the game is
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: completely over. So that was the first that you oh,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: I'm nodded in the first half. But it's a whole
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: new team, Freddy, It's a whole new team in terms
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: of expectations. So I think the offense did that. But
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the other part is, I mean, let's let's be honest
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: with ourselves. That's as good as Tennessee can play offensively.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: They're not doing that to anybody else like they can't.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: We said how many nine categories they were thirtieth or lower.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: That's what they are.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I think cam Wood shows some potential. I think he
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: made some good throws in the game. He got a
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: little inaccurate at times too, obviously, you can't drop the
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: batch two weeks in a row. He just dropped them,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: you know, solid small kitchens. You can say, well, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: chase on them with the pressure. And he did the
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: same thing against the Raiders the week before. This is
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: what Tennessee does. Thirteen points for them is that's not
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: a bad day offensively for them. They're not good. They're
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: going to face another offense that's very similar this week.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: They're like thirtieth or worse in a lot of offensive
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: categories too.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: And that's kind of what scares me is that you've
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: had two you know, colors just call him two first
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: year quarterbacks, a rookie, and you know, a second year
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: guy starting for the first time in the last two weeks,
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: completing passes.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: It will and I mean and Atlina goes right down
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the field. Early in the game. They had I think
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: six drives that went into Patriots' territory, but they only
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: ended up with fourteen points or whatever it was. That's
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: what they are. They scored thirteen in one this week.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: They're not good offensively, but they're playing a lot of
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: bad offenses too, which I think has allowed them to
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: get their bearings. Some point in the second quarter, third quarter,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: and they shut a team down because they just don't
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: have the ability to score.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: This linebacker they picked up on waivers yesterday. Does that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: give you any indication of what they're thinking in terms
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of coverage, you know, in the middle of the field
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: or anything, like.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: He's edge guy. This is Mike speaks to the edge
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: depth because he's like three six three two forty.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Sure, I mean they'll play off the edge for them.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I just to me, it speaks to the depth. And
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: you know, Harold Landry Chase on good players solid, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: after that, it's.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Kind of kind of a wash.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, you haven't seen Keon White really do anything.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Anthony Jennings seems to have fallen out of the picture.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Elijah Ponder is a special teamer. I just that's a
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: that's another position that Razor thin depth.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And I think they like this kid.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: He was in with Rabel too, So I we'll see
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: if he plays anything more than special teams.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: But I think there's a chance he's your third backup.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe by next few weeks that he's getting
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: some snaps on team.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, I just wonder And with the whole opening script,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I had the numbers and after further of you as well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: there's first three drives versus the rest of the game,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and this game is actually the fourth drive that Tennessee
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: stopped scoring after.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: But anyways, that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna say this publicly because I don't think
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: they would want to tip their hand, but it looks
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: to me like they're kind of just playing their base
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: scheme for the first like three or four drives of
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the game. And I do wonder if there is some
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: cat and mouse of let's just see what they're gonna
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: do against us and kind of let the game declare
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and then we'll make a few adjustments and we'll figure
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: it out defensively. And I understand that some people will
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: be worried about that because if you play, you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: again with Josh Allen and or you know, if Baltimore
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: is healthy, or even this Tampa offense coming up, like
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: you're worried that they're going to give up seventeen points
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: and it's not gonna stop right, like they're not going
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to be able to stem the tide. But I keep
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: thinking that's gonna happen, that one of these weeks, like
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: they're you know, they'll they'll give up twenty one and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: they'll be down twenty one to three because the offense
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't hold its end of the bargain, and the offense
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: just keeps them in the game, like they just keep
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: scoring offensively. So I just I don't know if it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: going to be able to come up and really bite
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: them with the schedule at their play, Like maybe eventually
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: once we start to get some of these bigger games
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: down the road.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: But is Cleveland going to do that to them?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: But you kind of figure Cleveland's gonna put up more
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of a fight defensively for sure.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Against this They but like they can't throw the ball
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: down the score, they can't.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Score, I know, but they're gonna maybe keep themselves in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: You would think that if they get off to a
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: good start offensively, they can play with the lead for
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: a while because Tennessee wasn't able to do that because
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: they have a bad defense too, right, and maybe maybe
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Cleveland can get a stop or two to Evan's point,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, it's ten to nothing, right
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: instead of ten ten, which is ten three happening in
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: these games.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: The running game showed signs of life this week. Was
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it sort of a facade or is it for real?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, haven't wrote the light box stuff. Yeah, definitely
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: took advantage.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that's all it is to me.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: This is all chess match stuff. Like Titans came out,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: they played two high safeties in the opening drive, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the Patriots ran it right down their throats. And this
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: is what I've been talking about for a couple of
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: weeks now, Like, as long as they can run the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: ball when other teams are conceding the run, then I
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: don't really care too much about their overall rushing production.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I care about what they are situationally running the ball.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And if the other team is literally saying you have
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: to run the ball, can you run it? All these
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: numbers that they have, and you know, with the run
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: game that are down near the bottom of the league,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you know, when teams are putting seven eight guys in
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: the box, like, it's going to be hard to grind
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: out rushing yard. It's not impossible, but it's going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: be hard. So as good as their offense is throwing
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the football, as long as they can run the ball
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: when it's opportunistic for them to run the ball, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: they can run it in short yardage and run it
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: on the goal line and like that type of thing,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Like that's all they need to be able to get
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: out of the running game. They don't need the running
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: game to be the engine of the offense. They have
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Drake may to be the engine of the game.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: What did you see in terms of Tennessee's adjustment after
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: like that? Yeah, so with the light boxes, no.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And I think that was the most fascinating part was that,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you know, in the first half they ran a lot
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: of too high safety and then the second half they
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: didn't run as much too high safety and they started
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: putting the extra defender in the box, and the Patriots
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: killed him with a couple of play actions, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: against single high safeties.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: MATC.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Collins's twenty seven yard catches just wide open over the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: middle of the field off a little play action. So
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: they that's it, right, Like if you can answer, you
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: have an answer to problem solve what the defense is
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: giving you. They play single high, can you throw it?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: They play too high?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Can you run it?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And then you kind of get them in a blender
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: there of like which one do you pick?
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Did they stay with the the too high in the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: first half, Like for most of the first half. So that,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: to me is the best sign is that you were
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: able to throw the ball against the too high and
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I think of two of you know, Evan likes to
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: call him the honey shots. You know, want the one
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: to Booty that he talked about that Drake Drake had
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: a guy in his lap, and then the one to
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Matt Collins down the other sideline. Those are I would
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: think it's tough on TV. I would think those are
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: too high looks because that's the shot that you have
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: to hit. They're able to get the ball downfield against
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: defenses that are supposed to be taking away the downfield stuff.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I think that might be the best sign because I
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: could look at it very simplistically and stubbornly and say, yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: you ran the ball right down the field in the
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: first drive. Would you end up with three because you
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: got down there and got sacked. It's hard to score
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: that way. Once you get down there, it tightens up
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit and it's hard to just run it
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: all the way in. But they responded by throwing the
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: ball in the next drive and they get touchdowns. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: then obviously the two minute drill at the end. I
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: mean that was just yeah, that was against quarters.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Three plays, so that was that was against quarters.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: That's against too high. But would it have mattered if
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: it was the thirty five instead of the forty?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It would matter if he kicked it where it's supposed
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to be and they only returned it to the twenty.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's true, because no, I think that
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: was the that was what they were trying to do
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: given what they have with the return situation. Now, you're right,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I was just automatically assuming they get ball to the
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: thirty thirty five yard line like every other team does.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: But you're right, they've been struggling in that since Gibson
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: went out.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I think he's the best pull shot artist in the NFL.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Like when they play cover two and he has those
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: honey holes on the sideline, I think he throws that
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: ball better than any quarterback in the league. I mean
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: it's just every week it's just like I can rattle
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: off like six.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It just seems like the switch was just flipped with him.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: He just seems so much more confident out there be
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: rattled and just the accuracy, the accuracy especially down.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Post snap rotation to like you know they on the
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Hollands one. They they run an inverted cover two where
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: they flip the safety in the corner on that side
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: of the field, so they kind of show something different
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: pre snap, and then it rotates post snap, and he
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: just sees it. You know, he's looking right at the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: corner and seeing the corner drop into the deep part
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of the field and just waits for Hollands to clear
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the underneath the fender and rips it and he just
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: he throws that ball with the weight on the football
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: to kind of like get it right into the honey hole.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: He throws it better than any guy I've seen in
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the league this year.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It's great. Stay after the game, they gave the game
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: ball to Mike Vrabel. This team loves their coach.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great pick. Great pick we use there everybody.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: He's just digs grabbing them. I mean, it's just good vibes,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: really good vibes, and it's all feeding into itself now.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: And like Kevin said, now Pop Douglas is starting to
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: make catches. Maybe he necessarily wouldn't feel I mean, it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: just I said I think on the postgame show to Paul,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: like the last two years of four wins you realize,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: like each loss it gets a little worse. And now
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: this is here has been a reminder that like each
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: winning gets a little better, you get a little more confidence.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: You know, you see other players getting to step up
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: and contribute and feel like they're part of it, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: you know, you just want to keep this momentum rolling.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know if if they can. I mean, it's
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: a long season. It's there's gonna be a lot tougher
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: challenges coming down. I don't know if a lot tougher,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: but it tougher challenges coming down the pike that they're
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: gonna have to deal with. And you know, but I'm
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: at the point now where I'm talking myself into the
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Browns being pretty good. That's why I'm like, no, no, no,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: I think we should The Browns are not pretty good.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: The defense is number one in the league.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: The defense is good.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, they're good.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: So they had two and five.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: They have they have a super power that can give
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: you trouble.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: If they get to seventeen points, I'd be shocked. But
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the thing about the you know, you give credit. You know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: wherever you want to give credit for Drake may give
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: it to him. I think mostly, But you know, Josh Rabel,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the culture change that has already happened with this team
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: is like night and day from the last two years
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: to now. And he did that in seven weeks, you know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: like he's been on the job for what ten months now,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: and they already the vibe and the culture is just
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a completely one eighty from where it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Has been the couple one.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like, you know, because a lot of
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: people would respond wile winning is you know, cure is all.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: But I think this goes back to Paul's point to
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: training camp and even in the preseason, like I felt
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: a difference and like just guys want to be there,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: like guys care, guys have energy, Guys want to travel,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: they want to be on the road. I can't tell
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you how many times, like over the last couple of
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: years it felt like nobody wanted to go on this
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: road trip, right, Like, no one really is that interested
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: in going to Vegas to play the Raiders across the
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: country Trent Brown and now like all of a sudden,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you get into these locker rooms after the game and
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: it's a totally different vibe and that's.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: It, Like, like Mike said on that shot, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: when Drake is given v Abel the ball and you
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: know Diggs is in the background, you see Pop Douglas
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: in the background. After Henry's jumping up and down, school
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: comes in and you know is hitting them. And I
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: do think it's contented. Now I don't know you like
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I do think it's it's winning based. But you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: there's an argument you made. Do you have good culture
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: because you're winning, or you're winning because you have good culture,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Like you can look at it either way, but I
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: do think it's kind of like it was a perfect
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: storm of a start in terms of you played a
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: lot of teams that are very you know, below average,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: and you were able to beat most of them. You
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: lost one, you know, to the Raiders, right, but you
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: were able to beat most of them, and that immediately
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: gives you belief like you might have had belief. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I agree with Evan because we talked about this all
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: all training camp. I think that they had a belief.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: But you get that validated when you win. You have
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: you have the proof of constant we can win.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: If we do X, Y and Z, you're getting there.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: And then they had the one game where they couldn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: do X Y and Z against Pittsburgh and they got
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: to see we're capable of winning these games if we
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: don't beat ourselves. You see, right, it was a good lesson,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: you know, it was good. It was kind of like
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: a perfect storm of a start to.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: The veterans that he brought in v Abel and free
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: agency have really meshed with the holdovers like the Hunter
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Henry's and the Pop douglas Is that you mentioned. You know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: there isn't like all the guys that were here before
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and these are the new No, they they meshed immediately,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and you got to give credit to Fred Diggs.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I give to Digs a lot of credit for that too,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: because he has been and people on the field, people
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: don't have a lot of bad things to say about
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Digs in terms of his compete level and all that stuff,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: but I think he's been more.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Of a leader. Well during the game, you see it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: To the to the group and you know, obviously he's played.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: He's played like Diggs has always played like. I mean,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: he's a great he's a great player pro, but he
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: he is a pro. Yes, in football wise. Stuff that
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I used to tell Mike Orsau about when I used
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: he used to mind ridically.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Well, not that I had a one ady, but you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: like I I saw, always saw the player that ripped
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: our hearts out. But to me, like you said, Paul
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: being in the locker room and now where he speaks
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: every Wednesday, we're right next to him here. Everything he
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: says that to me has been just a huge factor too.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: And when you start to talk about turning rooms around,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: and you know, giving Pop Douglas and Kaishan Boody and
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying I want to give you know, Diggs
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: credit for Boo Hoo boot he's playing now. I think
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: he has been on that track, but he's really been
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: a solidifying source for that room, and I think just
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: gives them some leadership to kind of follow.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: And in that room like that position, I think it's hard.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I asked Todd Downing this left. You know, I had
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: a chance to talk to Todd Downing last week year.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Did the rest of the meeting correct? That was in
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: the Espianism right there. I had a chance to talk
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: to Todd Downey me and about thirty of my closest friends.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: But I just I asked him how rare it is
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: for that position, because he was talking a lot of
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: about these things that we're talking about, and it's Booty
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: getting you know, two passes thrown to him, but ready
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: to go and being just as excited that week as
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: he was the previous week when he had five or
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: six catches, or like opening week when he caught all
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: those passes for one hundred yards and how you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: how rare is that? And he's like, yeah, no, it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: not like that all the time. And I give Diggs
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of credit for that, because he has been
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: the guy that the reputation, the negative reputation for him
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: is that he's always wanting the ball, Give me the ball,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: throw me the ball. I'm not getting enough touches. Even
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: when Josh Allen's targeting him one hundred and thirty times
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: a year, he's not satisfied. I haven't seen any of
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: that so far. Now he's getting the lion's share of
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the targets. But as I just mentioned, that's been the
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: case in the past, and he's still not always been happy, right,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: He certainly looks happy now. The message in the locker
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: room last week was, you know, don't drink you know, like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: don't take the Titans lightly, don't drink the kool aid.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: What is Dig saying on Wednesday when he's talking to
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Evan and Mike, don't drink the kool aid. He's He's
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the guy that's delivering the coach's message, just like everybody else.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: So I think he's been really, really a good fit
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: for those guys.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: You selfish position that on this team is selfless. Like
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: they do not act like they act like receivers, but
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: they don't act like receivers, like they're not. You know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: no one's pouting in the corner that they're not getting targets,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: nobody's complaining about things anymore. Yeah, and all that kind
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: of stuff. And like Pop Douglas is another perfect example
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: of a guy that really has had his role reduced
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: significantly compared to what we thought he would do this season,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: but when they needed him and when he's called upon
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: and his energy is still great.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: He's focused.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he had the windcam of him coming
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: off the field and he's still just as happy as
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: he you know, would have been if he had ten
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: catches in the game. And like that's hard to find
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: in that that position in particular, that's really just a.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Putting team first. And you know, another coach who always
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: emphasize that we have to mention Bill Belichick one of
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the people up for the Hall of Fame this year.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: He's on the list. I would assume that he's going
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to get in. That's just my take. But I don't know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you know some of these some of these writers.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: I think there's some good coaches on this list.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not even close.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Greed to disagree.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Really, who on the list should be in before him?
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Should be is a strong word? Yes, could be.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, anything can happen with these rights.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about like they're going to do something
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: that you think is wrong. I'm gonna I'm talking about
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: well yeah, okay, so then there's no sense of talking
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Well that's my opinion.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: You go ahead, But that's fine. I'm going to read
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: the twelve. I think Shanahan, these guys have Dan Reeves.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: These guys have brought multiple teams to Super Bowls, okay
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: without Tom Brady.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: But you're saying they should be ahead of Bill Belichick.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: But you're saying it like it's a foregone conclusion. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: don't don't think it is that that's all I'm saying
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: what it should be exactly. So why should we argue
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: like there's no other side of it? According to you?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So why does he do this? Why can't I?
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I think that Bill Welichick's a Hall of Famer, certainly,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: but I don't just dismiss everybody else.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: But I'm not just I think maybe their time will come,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: but there should be an order here.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: So I think that his time might be the one
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: that's coming because this list, to Paul's point, and a
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: lot of these guys have already been on this list
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: for a couple of years now and been sort of
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: waiting their turn, like a Mike Shanahan. So Bill Arsenberger,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: who have never.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Heard Barker, Tom he was a long time whenever the
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. I don't think he's He's not on the
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: level Tom Coughlin. Tom Coughlin's another one.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: Alex gives but ahead of Bill beat him twice, all right,
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: but still Eli Manning, Mike Holmgren, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker,
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: who's kind of a legend, Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer, George Seaffert.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Come on, please, George sefer doesn't belong enough Mike Shanahan
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: and Clerk Shaughnessy, So Bill would take shawness.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I'm obviously in agreement with you, Fred, but some of
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: these guys have waited their turn already, so they might have.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: To still wait.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: But we're not talking about Bill's like worthiness like that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's an argument against Bill's really I'm.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Him up against the people on this Bill Arns.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: But I think that there's three or four guys Reeves, Shanahan, Holmgren,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: you know, all good coaches, all great coach Coughlin, who
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: brought Coughlin, who brought multiple teams to Super Bowls, built
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: different programs. I don't know how you can look at
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: what happened in the last five years and not look
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: at Bill a little bit differently.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: All these guys had bad years.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: That's not what I That's not what I meant. Yeah,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: without Tom Brady is what I mean. Sure, I don't
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: know how you cannot look at it a little differently.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: If we're just going to say six titles, then why
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: are we even talking, right? If you're not going to
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: actually analyze how they got there. That's all I'm saying
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: is Bill Belichick is Bill Belichick a Hall of Fame coach,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: no brainer, there's no argument against does it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Now, does his defensive coordinator stuff take get taken into consideration?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I mean that adds to is his.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: So does Mike Shanahan's ability to have half the successful
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: offenses in football running his system? Does that count?
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: That's why he's on the list.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: No, it's not why he's on the list. He won
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: two Super Bowls.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, but but it's addition, it's part of his legacy.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: But it's it's a big feather in his cat.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely counts.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Now, I would have Belichick would be my lore Alice
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Gibbs right, Belichick would be on that list. My number
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: one choice for this year would be Bill Belichick. I
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: just think that it's worthy of a discussion, like, not
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: a dismissal.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, the unfortunate part is that this is going
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: to be chosen by a committee, and you wonder if
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: the select members of the committee had bad feelings towards
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Bill that I personal, So it's a fact you never know.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I just think that you can make a football discussion
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: why Shanahan a home Grin or Coughlin or Reeves should
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: go first without it being like a petty we don't
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: like bill ism, like don't. That's a tough argument. Again,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I would make the Belichick argument, but I
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: don't really understand why. But you're only some other guys
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: because their only.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Default of that argument is that with Brady without Brady split.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: That's big, okay, but quarterbacks too.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just taking out of an account like
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the beginning.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Of Matt Hasselbeck that Mike Congren took to the super
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Bowl Brett far right far, but he did it without
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Brett Farve. Is my point? Bill didn't he went to
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: a super Bowl without Brett Favre.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Oh I never had Brett fav I don'm only kidding Bill,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: never mind.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: But every one of these guys a lot of their success,
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: maybe not all of it, but is kind of I.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Mean, Tom beat them twice with Eli Mannings, who you
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: guys all think sucks.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Of course not, of course not just because he beat
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: him twice doesn't mean anything.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: No, it doesn't mean anything.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Just said, of course not.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: No. You asked me what I take Eli Manning over Brady,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I would say that, course not. But it means something
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: that he won twice, right.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But not enough to put him over Tom Brady.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: No, because Tom Brady won seven and in.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: The fact that Tom Cofflin beat Bill twice doesn't put
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: him over Bill.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Listen, you only had two chances.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I like Tom Cofflin, and not just for the Tom
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Coffin he built up a new franchise immediately till he
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: immediately took them to the AFC Championship.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Again, more success without Tom Brady.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, if I was making
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the pitch for Bill, because let's face it, it will
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: be a crappy pitch what it is, But if I
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: was making the pitch for Bill, like, you can't just
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: ignore the fact that until Brady truly became an MVP
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: candidate year in and year out, that those early teams
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: were built on defense and game planning and Bill's side
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: of things.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: We did disagree with that too.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: The two thousand and one Patriots were not built.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Two thousand and one is the one that's it. Okay,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: all three and oh four were wagon Well four was
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: the best team the Patriots have ever had.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: They were wagons. But like to just discount everything that
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Bill did to set that up, and not to mention.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: That he's a Hall of Famer. I'm not discounting a
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm just saying, like, you know, not to
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: mention the things that Brady gives him credit for in
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: terms of Brady's individual development, with teaching him how to
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: read defenses and teaching him all the nuances of the
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: position and not just having him go out there and
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: run around and play quarterback like those types of things
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: are are that's more of.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And anyone who doesn't believe that doesn't know football.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: And there and I would agree with you.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I just think the only reasons to keep him out
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: over these guys that are on this list are pettiness
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: or the fact that they've been on the list for
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: longer than he has. Like that, it's those two things.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: It's not resume like you can't like, oh, I mean.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: He has six and they only have whatever two in
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: most cases, you know, so resume is it's a no brainer.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I just I would like to think that these guys
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: do more than just look at like who had the
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: most win, Like does Marty Shottenheim are going because he
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: has anybody.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't even be on the list. Well, he should be.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: On the list, but because he was one of the
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: best coaches of all time. I don't think is he
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: on the level of those other guys that wan no.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Like, how how down low do we have to go?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: If you know, if you were hiring a head coach
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and you got him in his prime, not this version
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: of Bill Belichick, but Bill Belichick in his prime versus
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Shanahan and his high prime, versus home Gren, versus Coughlin.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: All thirty two teams are hiring Bill Belichick in his prime.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Oh come on, I don't know about it, but that's crazy.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: All like Shanahan killed Belichick head to head.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, he did, he had his number.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just don't know, like I would
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: pick Belichick, that's my choice. I just would like to
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: think that these voters actually analyze it and don't just say, well,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: he has six titles better.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I think Bill's mistake is he didn't retire. I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: ten years from now there's going to be a coach
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: when asked, hey, when are you leaving, He's is going
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to say, well, I'm not going to coach into my
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: seventies like Bill Belichick.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: So if that's the problem, I agree with that. That
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: whole sentiment that you're going down because if he had
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: retired with when Tom left, you wouldn't have this right
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: so blatantly obvious sample size without Brady right like you
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: could say it took him a while, you know, this
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: first time around he learned like a lot of guys learning.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: The second time he was a much better coach Cleveland.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: But now, but now you have before and after, big,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: big samples of before and after. I would like to
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: think that guys actually analyze that and use that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Would I take Belichick?
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Belichick would be on that list. He would be my
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: top choice. But the other thing about it is, even
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: if he ends up being the finalist, it doesn't mean
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: he's in. No, that's right, that he would just be
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: the coaches nominee, right, I mean, you know, the one
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: the one guy that's the finalist, and then it goes
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: down to the regular Hall of Fame committee to vote
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: for it, and Fred, we're not on that. You and
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I know we're committee.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why not. I don't know why ridiculous.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be tougher for Bill than
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: people then he should be because of all the reasons
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: that he's it's.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: Not because of him being such a you know, let's
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: face it, jerk. Is I hope that's not why I
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: think that shouldn't be come into play.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: But picking at all the nitpicks of his legacy, you
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: don't do that if you like the guy. You're only
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: doing that because you think he's a jerk. Like if
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: if we.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Should, you shouldn't analyze the guy's performance. It shouldn't just
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: be because I.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Don't like him.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: They're not going to sit there.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And if you had a guy and you know, I
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: don't know how the media felt about all these guys,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: but if you had a guy that is beloved in universe,
• 45:28
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• 45:32
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  Speaker 4: They might would say, you know, probably, but they won't
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  Speaker 4: took him twenty years to figure out how to run
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  Speaker 4: the clock like that should be. That's coaching. That should
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: be part of the Andy Reid. It won't be well,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: it won't be because he's well liked, because these things
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: are going to outweigh that, but that should be all
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm I'll give them a chance to get back
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I was laiding us off. Gotta text me care. Okay, good?
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: What is it? She asks Quoll.
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  Speaker 7: Does it make you feel good to hear so many
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: players talk about still having so much to fix and
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: get right after the game?
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: I think that just the uh, the awareness and the
• 48:58
  Speaker 11: ability and the desire to want to improve in this
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: league as we go along, whether we win or we lose,
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: we have to we have to strive for that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: It's just it's an improvement league. We've talked about.
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: Getting better as we go along, and there's there's glimpses
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: of it, and we just need to be a little
• 49:17
  Speaker 11: bit more consistent and uh continue to build speA of improvement.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Where did you see the ground game start to take
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: some strides. In terms of the positive princiss.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: I thought we were more decisive.
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: I thought we gave them a chance early at the
• 49:31
  Speaker 11: line of scrimmage to be able to get into the
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: line of scrimmage, to be able to you know, make
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: some breaks and give them some space.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot there to continue to improve on.
• 49:45
  Speaker 11: You know, if you want to hit some big ones,
• 49:46
  Speaker 11: you're going to have to be able to block support players.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: You have to be able to block safeties, block force.
• 49:53
  Speaker 11: But I thought we got them into the through the
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: line of scrimmage at times. I thought we and we
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: were decisive. There were times where there wasn't anything there
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: and we got a couple of yards, and then there
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: were times where there's things there.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: We got double digit runs.
• 50:09
  Speaker 12: At the game, Pop said, this is the first time
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: that he's been on a team where he feels like
• 50:12
  Speaker 12: the offensive defense are personally close.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: How's that something that you feel like you can.
• 50:16
  Speaker 12: Kind of foster as the coaching staff.
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: I mean, we're a team, you know, I mean, everybody's
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: here is trying to do the same thing. Is just win,
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: you know, whether that's the coaching staff, sports staff, trainers,
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: the players.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: You know, we're a team.
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: We spend a lot of time together, so you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: they practice against each other, they can compete against each other,
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: and so hopefully they can continue to build those connections
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: that that it's going to help them on the field,
• 50:43
  Speaker 11: help them off the field, help them hold each other accountable,
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: and you know, celebrate our success together.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: Mike and always cleaving the game sometimes concussion symptoms to
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: surface the next day.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Is drinking any kind of protocol things not that I'm
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: aware of.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: And Drake, he gives you the game ball and it
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: seems like obviously these players really really want to play
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: with you in that show yesterday with the locker room video.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: How do you garner that support from the team. What
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: is kind of your I guess process.
• 51:11
  Speaker 11: That I mean, my job is to provide them with
• 51:16
  Speaker 11: things that will help them do their job, that help
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: them in their career, to help them help the team.
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: And that's what we're trying to do. Try to be
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: as authentic as I can. I try to be honest
• 51:30
  Speaker 11: and try to get to know them, understand what they're
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: going through on and off the field, and try to
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: help them.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: That's it, Coach. We got Cleveland coming up, here. You
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: spent some time with the Browns.
• 51:42
  Speaker 13: What did that hear do for your career?
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: What? Well?
• 51:45
  Speaker 11: I enjoyed that time. I enjoyed the people there, that organization.
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: I enjoyed working with Kevin and you know, the offensive
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: staff and Tommy Reese and Chad and you know, I
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: mean I played with Bubba so a lot of good
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: young coaches, Jim Schwartz, a really good relationship with with Schwartzy.
• 52:05
  Speaker 11: And you know, they're playing really well. They're coming off
• 52:09
  Speaker 11: a huge win. A great defense. Offense is physical, physical
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: line running back is doing a nice job. So you
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: know we're going to have a you know, get get
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: prepared as soon as we you know, we've shut the
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: door here with with.
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: The Titans and moving on to the Browns.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: There's always a lot of techniques and you know, things
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: you can pick up on it, like the level anything
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: broader there than Kevin and Andrew were doing a kind
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: of thematic, big level that you've taken.
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: As chiefs that you think, no, I mean a great
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: communication and I mean I I mean I didn't try
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: to get involved in the in the day to day operations.
• 52:51
  Speaker 11: I was I was trying to help the players. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: was trying to help the young coaches. You know, that
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: wasn't something that I got involved with. I try to
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: help a player development, but they have a great organization,
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: you know, as far as the structure and everything. So
• 53:07
  Speaker 11: but I try to be involved with the young coaches
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: and with the with the with the young players and
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: help them and practice and help them develop.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: You place as much emphasis on analytics before Cleveland.
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: Or was there anything about that stuff that maybe change
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: your perspective.
• 53:22
  Speaker 11: I mean, that's certainly something that they believe strongly in
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: and probably you know, we were getting involved with it
• 53:31
  Speaker 11: in Tennessee, probably not to the extent that that Cleveland has.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: We've we've added and I feel like we all do
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: That that that can help us at a coaching level
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: and also help us uh as we look at personnel.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: So we'll continue to try to.
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: Enhance that department and area and how they can help
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: us looking at what we do internally, but but also
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: externally is we look at players and acquiring players and
• 54:04
  Speaker 11: but probably won't get to that extent of where they're
• 54:07
  Speaker 11: at right now over overnight on the.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: Road, but wanted to a hope so far you hear
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: with this place and a hard place to play for
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: the live opponents.
• 54:17
  Speaker 14: How important is.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: To get back to that pit five of an et cetera.
• 54:20
  Speaker 13: To get help.
• 54:21
  Speaker 11: Well, we're going to focus on the next one, not
• 54:23
  Speaker 11: not five, at the next seven.
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: But certainly have appreciated the way that we've.
• 54:30
  Speaker 11: Played on the road, and we know how important that
• 54:33
  Speaker 11: the home games are. You have to you have to
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: hold serve and you have to be great at home
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: and use that to advantage to where you know, it's
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: hard to operate, and we're giving them reasons to cheer
• 54:45
  Speaker 11: and celebrate and be excited. And so those are those
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: things that are important to us, and so hopefully we'll
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: give them that product this weekend.
• 54:54
  Speaker 12: How big of a part this player development of what
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: you do and how much do you enjoy it?
• 54:58
  Speaker 15: Well?
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: I do enjoy it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 11: I do you know, outside of winning, I've said this
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: numerous times. Outside of winning, Uh, I enjoy watching players improve.
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: I enjoyed watching them put a lot of work into
• 55:08
  Speaker 11: it and then having the success and seeing it at
• 55:12
  Speaker 11: a practice and then getting the opportunities in the game
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: and watching that translate. So that's something that we believe in.
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: You know, no one is a finished product when they
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: get here, whether whatever age you are or wherever you
• 55:26
  Speaker 11: you know you started or you came here, there's always
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: some things that you can continue to improve on. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: then we have another bucket of young players or developmental players.
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: That that's critical that we do.
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: That played really well, play the bulk of the steps
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: behind them. Travion just said nine. What was the thinking
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: there as far as that split being best for the offense?
• 55:45
  Speaker 16: This week?
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: Just kind of how it played out.
• 55:48
  Speaker 11: I thought, you know, Remandre was was running well, and
• 55:54
  Speaker 11: you know, I had some good protections and and Travion
• 55:57
  Speaker 11: is going to be a large part of what we do.
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: Just think that the way that the game started, uh,
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: and the success that we had, you know, that's kind
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: of where it was this week. What did you see
• 56:10
  Speaker 11: is the biggest difference in the defensive performance after the
• 56:12
  Speaker 11: first quarter seemed like us were techno. Yeah, we just
• 56:14
  Speaker 11: didn't do a very good job of matching their script
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: and their scheme plays.
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: And you know, we've got to.
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: Do a better job of being ready to go with
• 56:23
  Speaker 11: some plays that maybe they've seen on tape or that
• 56:27
  Speaker 11: are new and using our fundamentals. And you know, I
• 56:30
  Speaker 11: got got beat on the script in their first plays
• 56:33
  Speaker 11: and then we'll have to do a better job.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: How must it like quick? That was new for you? Well,
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: every week there's something new, you know. I mean every
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: every week there's something new.
• 56:44
  Speaker 11: I mean he talked about throwing the throwback, you know,
• 56:50
  Speaker 11: off the boot, off the keeper, so you know what
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: I mean, they've had that in and it's like everybody
• 56:55
  Speaker 11: else don't see stuff on tape and you know, try
• 56:58
  Speaker 11: to dial it up or try to do something.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: That's what this league is about.
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: Shan with another X play yesterday. We were obviously seeing
• 57:05
  Speaker 12: the crows on the field, but how have you seen
• 57:07
  Speaker 12: the mature behind the scenes since you got here.
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: I think he communicates better, you know.
• 57:12
  Speaker 11: I think he's better a communicator, whether that's you know,
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: anything that he has to deal with outside of work
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: or you know outside of football, you know, family or
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: just talking in the building.
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: I think that's improved. It's just his communication. You know.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: He's pretty personal.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: And now great moments in.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: History. Remember one game, our other editor, Brian Morey was
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: out for some reason or something. Paul had to do
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: like everything himself.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was out. He was writing a book.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know I was as I was fled
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: as the night progressed, like a different article of clothing
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: would come off by the end of the night. Is undershirt.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I swear to god, he's sweating, just trying to get
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: everything done.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: It was like, thanks at Fred exaggerates a lot of
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: things about me. He is not exaggerating.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, that's another great moment. All right
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: back here and Patriots on Filter Day five to five
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: past five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Is the email address. Of course, we're talking about the
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: game on Sunday against the Titans and a little bit
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick getting on the Hall of Fame list. Uh,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: it's Evan, Paul, myself, Deuce, Alex and Matt and the booth.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Interesting email here, there's a lot of good ones coming in.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that everyone who says this is Tom he's
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: an Edinburgh, Scotland. Firstly, Goodwin thought we played really well
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and my hopes for the team are improving each week
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: with my floor slowly getting to be the playoffs. Now
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: my beef Mike do so. Mike, last week you complained
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: about Booty being one of those receivers that just runs,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: catches and falls down. Has this game changed your opinion?
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Why do you hate competent, reliable players who will run
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: go routes all day and not complain they catch the
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: ball when called upon. It's very similar to your door
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: set hatred, which was also uncalled for. I'm sorry that
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: you don't like people catching passes and helping the team.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Deuce, and.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: He's fine, he's fine, it's done a good job.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, did you see him he just catches the
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: ball on four?
• 59:29
  Speaker 14: Well?
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: No, no, But I get what he's getting at and
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's wrong, Like, I just think we
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: talk about this, that's the spot he's playing, Like did
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: he catch the ball and run through a bunch of people?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: No, it's not really his game. I get it. Like
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: it's fine, he's a good, complimentary outside piece. But I
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. People are like, this is the.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: Matchup that's gonna tear teams apart for the next decade,
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: and like is it though?
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, to be honest, like.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: I see something in the middle of those two things.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, I just I still see Booty as a
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: piece that if you get that big dog that some
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: people are still clamoring for like that's the spot you're
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: gonna put him in, right, You're gonna put him over Booty.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's fair.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: I mean you wanna go get T Higgins gets where
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: T Higgins plain by Booty.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: It's interesting though, like you know, because I know we
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: always talk about this with Brady, like this is all
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: the same receivers besides Diggs basically right, and and like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: he's just Drake's just making him look like like world beaters.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: And it's incredible, like how really good quarterback play can
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden. Now you know, Kaishan Boody is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: eight not just a competent receiver, but a good deep
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: ball receiver. And uh, you know, Pop Douglas makes plays,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Matt Collins is making plays, Diggs is making plays, Austin
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Hooper is making plays, and it's just fine. All goes
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: back to the quarterback.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Philip dor sat yeah away from Beijing, China, writing in nice,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: says Paul needs to get his stats sources straight. Ye,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I was listening to the show at midnight. But just
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: a couple of minutes in Paul mentions something incorrect. You
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: expected completion percentage from May in this game was sixty
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: seven percent according to both next gens. That's an RBSD.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: I was referenced rbs don't matter.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Rbs don't matter, running backs don't matter.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't be I'm not telling you the stat was correct.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you I did not get it incorrect. It
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: was on Twitter that someone was had week by week
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Drake May's expected completion percentage. Now, maybe these sites had
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: a different number, Which is why I don't really put
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: much validity into an expected thing, because that's a totally
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: subjective measure.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Well, it's an equation, it's a formula. But I think
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: what he's saying is is that his expected completion percentage
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: was x, and his actual completion percentage was why, so
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: therefore it would be better than his expected completions percentage
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: might have been seventy percent. His actual completion percentage was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: ninety one percent.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: This is why I said, I may be getting it wrong. Yes,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: that's what I kind of I'm telling you the number
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: I saw was ninety five point five. That's kind of what.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I thought you were maybe getting wrong earlier. But I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't sure, and so.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: That's not that's a whole different thing.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: It's like I love it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: I just like being like trick ma is playing awesome
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: right now, Like I just you see all this like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: statistical minutia of like, well, he's the first guy to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: ever complete this many pass Like that's all great, and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: I just don't you can cut it any different way
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: you want about this.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: He's playing awesome.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: I care about him throwing the ball down the field
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: and it's basically a thirty five yard hand on the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: guy catch it, Like you can't possibly not catch the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: passes that he's throwing. You know, I'm not telling you
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: everyone is life. I mean the Austin Hooper catch was sick. Yeah,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: it was a great catch, But like the ball to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Holland's down the sideline to Digs in the second half
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: down the side, like you can't throw those any better, right,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big CPOE guy.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's a useful stat sometimes from a standpoint
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: of like when you get the expected completion number, like
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: you can tell how easy or hard the throws that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: he's making are because they use base it off of windows,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: like is it a tight window or is it an
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: open window? So like if you're making a lot of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: open window throws, then you obviously You're expected completion percentage
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: is going to be much higher than somebody that is
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: being forced to make a lot of.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Tight case Josh Allen would be skewed because all this
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: throws are through a closing window.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: But back to the Josh Allen didn't know where he
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: was going with that. That was that long. Yeah, it
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: was along road to Grandma's as usual. The throw to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Digs in the Buffalo game. Down the sideline, I saw
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: all a bunch of Evans, you know, acolytes talking about
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: how it had such a miniscule, minuscule chance of being completed.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: Like I don't really like that doesn't mean anything to me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: I can look and watch and say, wow, that was
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: really good there. Kim Wood had one. Kim Wood had
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: one in the game that there was like three layers
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: coming across. It would be one of those it's a
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: great throw. I don't ever do it again kind of plays,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: but likes incredible first half the throw that he made.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: I'll bet you the you know, the cpoe W whatever
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: it's called, wasn't great on that throw either. It's funny
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: about that different snoring problem. I understand the window as
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: opposed to you know, like the throw wasn't expected to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: be completed, so the window was so tight the throw
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: had to be precise just to close the loop.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Here, Drake May's expected completion percentage on Sunday was sixty
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: six point nine and his actual completion percentage was ninety
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: one point three. So therefore his CPOE is plus twenty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: four percent because you take the expected and the actual.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: So I wish I could to find because he's, like
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm sure that I'm messing up this specific
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: stat The email is probably right about that I saw
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: something that listed it. It was higher than his actual.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: His actual completion percentage should have been ninety five point five,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: and I just don't think.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: Before you can I just stick on that because I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: want to just talk about that play real quick, because
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: this is another thing for me statistically. Maybe Evan can
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: chime in, Like I watched that play which was completed
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: basically with like splane diving t VIY like turning and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: like Gonzalez kind of running by it, and I believe
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: they like credit that Gonzales is like a past completion,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: and that just made me pull the thread of like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: Gonzales like on some of these plays, it's so hard
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: to assign blame, you know, even and I know we
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to get int the PFF thing of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: it all, but just for anybody watching, like, how do
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: you like it's it's a great play by them.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: There's you know, the coverage, I mean there's a million.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: There's a million of those. I mean, like the touchdown
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: to DK in the first half of that game, you
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: could look and say, wow, Marcus Jones really struggling and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: he's chasing them all across the field. But then you
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: you can see the safety did I think it was
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Woodson the exact opposite thing that he should have and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: ended up getting spun around, And it's clear that Marcus
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: Jones thinks he has support from the other side. Yeah,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: and maybe Marcus Jones didn't have great coverage. And I'm
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: not trying to absolve, but my man crushed my.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Drawn completion on this guy his fault.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: There's so much number one to coverage, especially in a
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: game like this. Do you have numbers like how much
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: zone they played in this game?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just it's just not complicated. Like on
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: the throw that you guys are talking about, a cam
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: wored it's covered to Robert Splain's got the got the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: deep hole. Like that's his assignment on that play, you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: on the throw you're talking about.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: I put that one on Craig Woodson because Marcus Jones
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: is sticking outside leverage on DK. He's responsible for a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: corner right because he's outside hip of the receiver. When
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: the receiver breaks on the post, there's a post safety.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: He's literally called the post safety.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: It's pretty much with the Saints to the week before.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: It's the exact same thing.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: It's literally the same exact play and the same exact result.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: And so in both plays, like the safety has got
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: to stay home on the post.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: There's no reason ye because Jones definitely moved inside because
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: he thought something was happening behind him and it didn't
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: and then he took off.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: There's no reason for the safety to bite on the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: corner because that it's Marcus Jones's responsibility. So as a safe,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: as the quarterback is rolling out and he's throwing back
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: from right to left, safety's got to just stay right
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: in the deep middle of the field. I think a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: lot of the problem that, you know, some of these
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: coverage metrics get confused as some of them, like next Gen,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: are using proximity to the receiver. They're not talking about understanding.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: It's cover two and this is the zone, and they're
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: using who is the closest physical person, which is not
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: to the receiver.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: It's right, Yeah, Gino writes in I wrestled throughout high
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: school and college. Yes, I've long since thought certain NFL
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: positions could benefit measurably from wrestling techniques, thank you, much
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: like receivers might benefit from ballet. As a quarterback, you're
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: going to be tackled. Therefore, prepare for the inevitable. Learning
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: to go down is one of the first things to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: pick up as a wrestler, not only net bridges, but
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: how to roll into a fall, then to twist, when
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: to use an empty hand, how to absorb the weight
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: instead of using a stiff arm. If you curl your back,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: then let it unfurl on impact. It reduces the velocity
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: of your head moving towards the ground. So people do
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: it instinctually. But our guy needs a little matt time.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: But I agree Brady, and Brady was really uh. Brady
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: was a big proponent of that, learning how to fall,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: It's true. Remember he used to talk to about Garoppolo.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: It's one of the first things they teach you in
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: like Judo and all those things, how to fall.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Didn't didn't to try to learn how to fall. I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: believe it was to a he went like in the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: off season. That's all he did all off season was
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: work with one of those like martial arts people or
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: something and learn how to fall.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: Roll.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't hit his head.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Tell ye, how's that?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Working on it?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: So he can run to his heart's delight if he
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: learns how to fall.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: I just think that there are times that you're going
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: to get hit when you don't know you're gonna get o.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: I know, and you're making it very simplis.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Let Drake be Drake.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: We all want Drake to be Drake.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: I just want Drake to be Drake for seventeen games, yeah, and.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Plus the playoffs.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to Sam and Easton on the hotline.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: What's up, Sam?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, how's it going?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Sam?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 15: Just a couple of points I wanted to bring up,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 15: so hopefully I don't take up too much time. But
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 15: the first of them being free agents out there. I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 15: know we spoke a lot about this over the past
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 15: couple of months. But one guy that I've thought a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 15: lot about, Christian Wilkins. I know he's got a huge
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 15: contract and he was let go by the Raiders. I'm
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 15: wondering if there's some kind of way, you know, you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 15: could get him to come in and be a really
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 15: good rotational piece with the other guys, or if you'd
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 15: be in cap hell. I know, we have a lot
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 15: of space. It's not going to roll over, So I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: don't know, everything looks like the.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: Space rolls over. Yeah, he's not under contract at all
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: right now, he's a free agent. He's not going to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: cast you any No one wants him because it's all
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: kinds of Yeah, there's all kinds of issues there.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: I mean the player, it's I mean, yeah, I think
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: he's always been I mean, I think they were really
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: into him a couple of years ago, right before he
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: signed with the Raiders, and he seems to fit right.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: There's all sorts of locker room, off the field stuff.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Going on with.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: Stay Away.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: That was a guy during training camp that Rabel mentioned, Yeah,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about him.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Ye, And then they found out why he was released.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Brian's and Lowell, what's up Brian.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 13: Hey, what's up guys?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, I love calling guys every week.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 13: But yeah, the Patriots around dolls have a good game
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 13: some day.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: It was a great game. Where were you watching the game, Brian,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I'm at home at home with just by yourself.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean pretty much.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, yeah, with you or not games though.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: People coming in and out.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: Probably dispensary.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 17: Douglas not catch doll.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: That was sick.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: I was unbelieve. I don't know how he called. I
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: still don't stand how he caught that ball. When he
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: caught that ball. Did you come out of your seat?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I was like, I don't think anything
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: makes this guy.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 18: Yeah, how did you catch that?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 16: Ye?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Take another head, just with his hands, that's how you
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: do it. That was great, well, Brian, keep keep calling.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Appreciate the call.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Brian.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Let's go to dominic in New York.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: What's up?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Dominic? Dominic? Dom doma is gone is gone? All right,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: that's okay. We got a lot of emails here. I'll
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: try yell at me. I'd like that, Like, yeah, I like.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: It when they're not yelling at Meum.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: This talk about the use of Trevion Henderson getting bugging
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: you or yes, okay.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie a little bit.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Nick and Boston. I get that Trevian Henderson has not
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: been blocking well and it's not run patiently. But it's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: also true that the way the coaching staff is using
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: him is bizarre. If you look at his next Gen
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Carrie chart, almost every single rush is up the middle.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Against the Saints, he did not have a single rush
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: outside the tackles. Also, why not line him up out
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: wide off the line of scrimmage like the Falcons do
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: with Bijon and get him the ball in space and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: quick hitters. His usage does not fit his profile. So
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: what do we do here? Because fans are they're fixated
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: on Trevion Henderson's responsibility.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: I agree we hyped him too much in training camp?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Did we did?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: We felt?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he hyped him too much, but
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: we talked about him a lot because he looked good
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: in training camp, and I think, as you find with
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: even some of the players, that once she gets to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: a regular season.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: It's not the only thing on that email that I
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: would strongly agree with, is I would. I am a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: little surprised they haven't tried to do much with him
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: in the passing game, like like what he's talking about
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: getting him out wide like Bijon Robinson. I do think
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: he could be a matchup nightmare.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: But did you see the wheels on Beijon Robinson last night?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I mean Jamier Gibbs was Jami Gibbs, same, same, I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: means fantastic.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Gibbs has just done it for for longer.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Last week, next week.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Bjon Henderson has not played well and that's why I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: think that he's fighting it a little bit. And I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: think his usage was down, you know, probably right.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: And I mean it sounded to me like it looked
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: like Rimandre was getting rolling and we said, let's let's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: let him roll.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: But I also think that some of the role that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: they envisioned for Henderson was, you know, as a passing back,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: is the third down guy, and Stevenson's better at it.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: He's better at blocking than than Henderson has been. And
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: I think that's cut into some of his snaps as
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: a result.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: Last week just highlighted even more that you're not he
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: can barely make it with two guys.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: You're not going to make it with just Remond or something.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I agree with the email or that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: I am also surprised that they haven't flexed them out
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: a little bit or ran them on more wheel routes
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: and like things like that out of the backfield. But
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: the rushing chart thing like this is also going up
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: my backside because like they're running outside zone with him
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: in the game and the run reads is just taking
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: him into the middle of the field, like they're trying
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: to get the ball off tackle with him in the game. Now,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: like I guess maybe they could toss it out to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: him and really get him out on the edge by
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: doing that, but like it's not They're not running half
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: back dive.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Up the middle with Trayvon Henderson.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: It's just it happens that when he's been on the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: field that those runs are you know, he has a read,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: you know, do I bounce this or do I cut
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: it back up? And the Reds have been taking him
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: into the teeth of the defense.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: And that's just the way that it's one of the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: real real quick Freddy, is what offensively you've been disappointed with.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Over the last And so that was the next thing.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like whatever they're doing, I mean, we talked about
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: this struggling to run the football. He was part of
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: the struggles running the football. They gave the carries to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: one guy this week and whatever. Maybe it's because they
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: went with a light box. Maybe it was because Tennessee
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: is just not good. They're not Stevenson ran really well
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: and the offense did really well again for whatever, the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: fourth fifth week in.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: A row, Austin and Oklahoma. I think he has the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: answer to your thing, Paul. Why a little mixed up?
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: You're thinking of a lot mixed adjusted completion percentage. Drake
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: may had an adjusted this.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: I told you, I'm probably screwing up the stats. Yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: thank you, thank you. Emailer. Adjusted.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different that like accounts for like drops and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: things like that.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: That's what That's what I thought. And I was just
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out based on the two wing completions,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: which one of them was supposed to have been caught. Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Carl in Salt Lake City thinks that Josh McDaniels might
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: be intentionally keeping plays of Henderson off the tape early
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: in the season, saving those watching lace.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Like Stevens, Like, I just don't, I just don't get it,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: Like you preface that perfectly, Freddie, is this notting to
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: be things. It's starting to bother you a little bit
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: a little bit. Can we just say that's had nine snaps? Yeah,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: and so like should we have an as to why
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: I think he had ten snaps? Actually, but do we
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: have an inquiry or as to why they're not getting
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: him involved? It's coming like, please, like he hasn't played well.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: It's not like an indictment of the pick. It's not
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: an indictment of him, like he hasn't played well. He's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: played seven games as a pro.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: I just keep coming back to James White and him having,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: you know, a red shirt year, and even his second
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: year wasn't all that great, and then you know that
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: third year he becomes the guy. So you just have
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: to be a little patient. But again I blame us
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: for hyping him up. And I mean, I don't really
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: want to say that's that negative because he did look
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: really good. It wasn't like we were making it up.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: But it's a lot different once you get into realize.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I am surprised they haven't tried to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: target a linebacker a little bit more in the passing game.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: But they've given him opportunities to run the ball. They've
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: given them opportunities to be in pass protection. They've given
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: him opportunities to do the things that he supposedly does well,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: and he hasn't done a lot of them.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Darius and Louisville. I have a couple of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: things to get off my chest. First, I'm so sick
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: and tired of hearing about an easier soft schedule. We
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: lost thirteen games the last two seasons, and most of
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: them were against bad teams. Now that we're actually winning
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: these games, people want to talk about how easy the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: schedule is. Stop it.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: That took longer than I thought.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Secondly, I kind of wanted to defend Pop. If he's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: running full speed wide open, shouldn't be the throw in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: front of him wide open? Shouldn't the throw be in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: front of him for his run after catch instead of
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: stopping his full momentum to sit down. And Lastly, I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: don't review the film or any thing, but from the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: naked eye, it seems like they are using Edison the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: wrong way. Okay, the wrong way on.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: The Pop one, you run it the way the quarterback
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: wants it to be run. And that's just universal across
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: any quarterback, any team, any real really, any level. Like
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: if Drake May wants you to just sit. Then you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: right like it's really.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: If there are rules for route running and for a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: quarterback play, you need to follow them. And if they're
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: in a certain coverage that dictates you run the route
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: in a certain way and you don't do it. The
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: quarterback can't wait and say he's supposed to do this,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: but he's not doing it. I'm going to adjust and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: throw it this way. You can't do that. You have
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: to see the same time, especially in a fourth down
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: play where it's a quick obviously a quick hitter that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: was supposed to be very fast.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: See and it's it's didn't cost him this week, but
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: it's good in January or wild and it doesn't the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: schedule thing.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, they've lost to bad teams. They've made This is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: what Mike Rabel talked about. We want to be in
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: position where we could take advantage of bad football. And
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: they've made progress from the last two years to this
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: year to be able to take advantage of bad football.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: Don't get your panties in a bunch that people are
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: saying it's a bad schedule. It's the single worst schedule
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: since the league expanded to sixteen games. In nineteen seventy eight. Statistically,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: it's the single worst schedule, so you can say that
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: they did They had easy schedules the last year, not
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: as easy as this. Don't like why why do we
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: have to be upset about being five and two? Why?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: Why do we do this?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Cody in Indiana, I freaking love Brian and Lowell. He
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: calls in every week and all he asks, so how
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: about the game never change? Brian? You ought to be
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: a Patriots beat writer with such hard hitting questions.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: Ooh wow, wow.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Brian, And it's at the bottom.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: I was watching these games with I don't know that
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: was suspect that it was mysterious, what it was somebody?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: Well, you're not ready to commit fully whether or not
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: I watched with somebody else.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: DNA my own predident signs that I might have been
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: side piece.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: We don't want to blow strong, show continued. You don't
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: want to tell he's.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm married, Jill, Brien Lowell. I didn't watch it, not.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: That I would know. You know, you know, maybe his
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: wife is listening and all of a sudden.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: The whole family loves the show.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: Who was he watching the game? I wasn't I wasn't
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: with him.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Right, we'll get next week when he called picking up,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Back to the phones Ivans in California.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 13: Hey, Ivan, Hey gents, how are we doing today?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Great playoffs?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 13: Yes, I wanted to weigh in on the culture versus
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 13: winning thing, and then I got a question on the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 13: line to me, without a good culture, you don't win,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 13: right and Rabel what he brought instantly was the credibility
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 13: of being a great player or a next player at
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 13: a high level, coaching at a high level, picking his
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 13: own staff, which is including Josh McDaniels, which some of
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 13: this narrative out there that Josh was forced upon him
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 13: as such bs because he already made the comment that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 13: he spoke with Josh many times over the last year.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 13: And you know, we're seeing the results of that now.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 13: Of course, you've got to bring in the right players
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 13: to execute on your vision, and I think that that's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 13: where the rest of the the staff and the team
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 13: has come together on that. So I think we're seeing that,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 13: which is a big difference to where we where we've
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 13: been the last couple of years. So the question I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 13: have on the ol on the on line, though, is
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 13: an all on deference to Evan They do great stuff.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 13: And I'm not a stat geek. I let my eye
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 13: see what I see. And Jared Wilson's really struggling. I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 13: know he's a rookie. At the same time, we keep
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 13: saying that he might be, you know, better off at
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 13: a center, and we've got Bradbury there. Just wondering if
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 13: Bradbury's starting to come back to what we thought he
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 13: would be when we first signed him. And I mean,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 13: what do you guys think that we could do. I mean,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 13: do we put is it too early or too late?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 13: Not too late, but too early to put Wilson at center?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 13: Maybe put Brown in a guard and ride it that way.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 13: I'll take it off the air. Thanks, guys.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's too late to change two positions, and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: with the quarterback playing as well as he is, changing
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: his center is not something I'd be interested in doing.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: The Wilson to Ben Brown, that was something I was
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: talking about last week. I mean, this has been brewing
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: now to Jared Wilson's defense on Vermandre's sixteen yard run.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: He made one of the best run blocks I've seen
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: the Patriot make all year. So there are flashes of
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: him playing as well podcast. But at the same time,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: the pass protection, the physicality, the power, and the run
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: game isn't all there for him yet at guard especially,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: so it's hard for him to dig out bigger run stuffing,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: defensive tackles and things like that.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: I think that there is a case. And I go
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty one when they put Ted Carrey
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: in the starting lineup for Mike on whn WHU, like
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: on when who had a much higher ceiling and was
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: the future on the line. But that line just fit
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: better with Ted Carris instead of on Wenu. It just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: the five men just came to be together better with
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: teddy K. So could that be the case with Ben
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: Brown instead of Jared Wilson. Maybe, But it doesn't seem
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: like they're really rushing to make that move. But I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: would not change two positions. I think once you start
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: doing that is when it's a house of cards and
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: you start getting yourself in trouble.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point, Just to the culture point.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: I think at some point Vrabel said you don't really
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: know what your culture is until you have adversity, and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: so it's easy to say they have great culture right
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: now when they're on a heater and they're winning. But
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: you know, I think it speaks more to the bounce
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: back after the Pittsburgh game that Brabel's pointed back to,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: is like, you know, to have a bad game like
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: that and to see us bounce back, you know, we'll
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: see what kind of culture they have.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I believe in it.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to poo poo it, but I just
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: think until you have a game like you know, like
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: Bigger Mayfield last night, you know, like MVP guy has
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: kind of a down game, do you bounce back? Are
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: you able to put a back? Because they happen all
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: the time and the whole in the NFL.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: The whole culture thing, and it's definitely relevant with this team.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: I think we talked about it in the first hour.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: You can see a difference. We've been around this team
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: for the last few years and you can see the difference.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Mike made the point of when the losses started to
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: pile up as opposed to now when the winds are
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: partly on it, you can see the difference and the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: mentality and the demeanor Evan talked about, you know, their
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: demeanor on the road even has noticeably changed. But Philadelphia
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: doesn't have good chemistry right now. They don't have a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: good culture right now. And if there's still finding ways
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: to win for the most part now, maybe they'll iron
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: it out. They did it last year. They looked like
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: Sirianna could get fired any week last year, and all
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: of a sudden they never lost again. So it can
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: be fleeting and you can lose it and recapture it
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: when you have the talent that Philadelphia has. This team
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: I think is going to need to maintain this kind
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: of culture because I don't think they have as much
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: base talent to fall back on if there starts to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: be some infighting. Douglas's comment about you know, he's funny
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: because he's only been around three years, but like never
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: been on a team with the offense and defense get
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: along as well as this team does, right, I think
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: that's part of it. I think Ivan's right. I think
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: that's part of the success.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Brian's and Georgia. Hey, Brian, Georgia, Brian, Hey, are you
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: on the midnight train? Oh?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: I see what you did that?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 16: Hey guys, I gotta do it all right? So I
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 16: was having a question, do y'all remember the team that
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 16: was hot in like six six and oh seven, oh,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 16: a couple of years ago with Brady. You had to
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 16: brigie me in on it. Yeah, and that schedule was easy, easy,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 16: and we was drinking the kool ai. And when you
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 16: ran into the Ravens, yep, okay, do y'all see that's
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 16: a little bit of comparison to this. I know this
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 16: team is hot and I love drinke May And do
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 16: you think when we run into Lions, Ravens, chiefs and
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 16: coat it could look like that?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: It could? It could. But remember the whole boogeyman thing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: was the defense. Back then, If I recall, the defense
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: was kind of getting a little ahead of themselveswhere well
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: they were just in fact, a lot of guys in
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: the locker room didn't like that.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah they were. They were dominanting guys.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: They were dominant defense.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 16: The offense is smoking and this one the defense is.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Listen, Brian, I'm very eager to see what it looks
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: like when we played Tampa Bay. And you know, when
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: if Lamar comes back and we play the Ravens and
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: some of these better teams, when we play the Bills
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: the second time, I know that's down the road.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: But like how they did. It's even Cincinnati, And I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: know Flacco's no great shakes, but when those receivers, he
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: just showed you they can score points.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Atlanta's got a lot of weapons.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: And Atlanta's very inconsistent offensively. If you catch them in
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: a week that they're you know, like last week, they
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: look like they'd never moved the ball before the week before,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: they couldn't be stopped.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: The key difference for me is that you were a Tanks, Brian,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: then you were a team that had the end of
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady and you were trying to squeeze Super Bowls
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: out and it was Super Bowl or bust. And you know,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: I just maybe it's a bad example, but like how
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: much easier or how much harder.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Is the Jets schedule than the Patriots.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: I mean they're probably what they have three different three
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: different opponents that sport, so it's pretty.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Much the same.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: Now, the easiest schedules in the league, and that hasn't
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: had they haven't won a game yet. So now you're
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: talking about Aaron Glenn, not building a culture, not having
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: any kind of program, not having any kind of belief.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: But now on the other side of the corner.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: You have Mike Rabel and we are talking about what
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Johnson said, if they could complete a pass, it would
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: look I'm not making that up. I just I'm not
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: looking this.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: Year as saying we got to get a super Bowl
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: this year because time is running out.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: I'm looking as this is year one.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: Of a completely new regime, and to look at it
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: seven games in and say we have belief, we have
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: buy in, we have the startings of a new program.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: Despite the easy schedule, I don't really care. Like this
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: is they need wins, they need to stack confidence and belief. Meanwhile,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: the Jets are facing a similar schedule and they can't
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: get out of their own way. So you know, it
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: just it doesn't necessarily mean, oh, you have an easy schedule.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: The difference between having a quarterback and not.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: And I know that statistically this might be the easiest.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: But last year they played a lot of bad teams,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: and like the emailers said, they didn't win those games. No,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: they couldn't beat them easy ten three.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: You know, they beat some of them. Then they lost
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: to some of them too. This year they've only lost
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: one of those games. Now, the one thing that I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: would say to Mike that I'd strongly agree with. There
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: is like the whole nineteen thing. Yeah, when they played
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: better teams, they lost, and that was an indication that
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: you weren't going to be good enough to win the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: super Bowl. And that was not good enough given that
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: were at that time. Right, if it turns out that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: you play let's just say, for argument's sake, it's worst
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: case scenario, you lose to Atlanta, Tampa, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Buffalo.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: Worst case scenario you lose all five of those games. Yes,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: it'll be extremely disappointing that we haven't progressed as maybe
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: as far as we all thought. But that's not gonna
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: like and the like. It's not going to close the book.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: The twenty nineteen season was it was clear that's this
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: is it one last rodeo. Tom's leaving, that's our window.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: We're done for now. This is gonna be Okay, we're
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: not quite ready to be that kind of a playoff team,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: but we can still win ten games, make the playoffs,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: and you know, be frisky when we get in the playoffs.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: The arrow's point up, we're still gonna be gonna be
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: even better next year. You can look at it that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: your building.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: They were coming off a super Bowl going this way.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: We're coming off four wins and going this way.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: Even if you lose all those games against the supposedly
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: the supposedly tough team.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: And even if the season ends exactly the same way
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: as nineteen, you lose a home playoff game in a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: tight game to you know, a good team like well.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not even saying the home playoff game. If you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: lose all five of those games, you ain't getting a
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: home playoff game. But even if it's.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: Completely different feeling afterwards where we just wanted a home
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: even if you don't make.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: The playoffs, for you for whatever reason, let's say let's
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: say you lose to one of the teams that you
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: don't expect to lose. You lose to Cleveland, so you
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: go nine to eight, you don't make the playoffs. I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: still think the arrow would be putting. It would be disappointing.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be like, oh, listen to the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: team broadcast telling everybody you know, it's okay, No, it
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be. Will we upset? Will come Mike and I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: will do postgame shows and we'll you know, be red
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: faced and annoyed that they let an opportunity to slip away.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: But I think the bottom line would be the future
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: is bright.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, speaking of the future. Eldred's in North Carolina.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: What's up? Aldred?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 18: Hey been doing it with.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: Trained?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Somebody almost merged into my lane today. I was so mad. Anyway,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: go ahead, al, go.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 18: Ahead, n I get it.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 19: Other Mike, this should across me. Get to the day
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 19: it makes it and I'd be hunky own and didn't.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 15: Doing it too.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 19: But yes, sir, there's two there's two things that never
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 19: come out of celebrating this week, one of the Panthers
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 19: and another Drake mate. It's all they're talking about. Now, Okay,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 19: take your flowers, buddy, take your flowers, buddy.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Sure, I guess they can.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: They can share in the excitement about Drake May and Ie,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: uh yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: I mean why shouldn't like the whole state just gets
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: to claim him, like I.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Don't know, just why he went to the college.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: I mean he's like yeah like that. I don't know.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like a jet like has a big
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: NBA career. We can just claim him and you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Know, like if if you know you did something right,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I think Needham would be right behind you.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: No, No, like Allan Raisman.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I only stayed fifteen miles from his house.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 19: I know the school, he went through, the neighborhood. I'm
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 19: around that area. So everybody's still I.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Know, I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: I love it.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 19: Cool, but that's cool.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 19: Yeah, but my question is that, Okay, I'm like, I'm
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 19: not getting back up to that defense. Offense, a little
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 19: bit worried, but that defense. I mean, I know Doug
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 19: half to stop, but the first half kids the hell
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 19: out of me. That's what I'm wondering. So what can
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 19: they do to tighten it up? Get better or better player?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 18: I take it off there, all right.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks. You know, it's funny because I think in New
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Orleans that first play, I think they tried to do
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: something on defense to kind of stem that fired on them,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: and it backfired. Yeah.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, because I agree with you, Fred,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: I think they tried to pull a fast one on
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: New Orleans to try to get a good play early,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: because they keep saying that once they make a play,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: they start to rally around that and they start to
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: get the energy and get going. But I think they
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: played pretty vanilla early in these games. And again, I
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's by design. I don't know if
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: they would admit that it's by design, even it was
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: by design, but they kind of just come out in
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: their base defense and their base schemes and do what
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: they do. And you know, then once they kind of
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: like let the other team empty the clip of like
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: all of the game plan scripted plays, right, and then
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: they're like, all right, like you got your little throwback
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: off the boot, you know, out of your system, like
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: now let's play for.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: The problem with some of the better teams is their
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: clip is a lot bigger, right and doesn't necessarily concern
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: and then question for you, there's.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Something growing a little bit, there's something maybe it was
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: garbage time, so I don't want to put some much
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: Like his size, his movement skill, like he just I
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: don't know, he looks he looks the part to me,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: and I mean twenty snaps nothing, you know, that's our
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: running joke now on the postgame show, how much did
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: Marty map WHU play? But you know, just as they
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: consider to explore options, he.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Just I don't know. I think he's doing pretty good job.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do wonder if you know, is there a
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: third down roll for him where, you know, maybe you
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: do take a Splane or an Ellis or someone like
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: that off the field and get a more athletic coverage
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: linebacker converted safety that has a little bit more skill
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: and coverage to defend in some of those situations. I mean,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: they've been pretty good and third and like medium plus
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: like so it's not like it's been a problem, but
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: their early down defense has really been where the problem
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: has numbers.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: You want to share this, I want to.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: I want to share this now because Paul made fun
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: of me. But I don't think I need Evan to
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: tell me I'm dumb. If Evan tells me I'm dumb,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know that this.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: Is the pen with the multiple old school multicolor.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't tell you it was dumb.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, not dumb. But you know he's dumb.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: They were talking EPA on the Patriots defense. All right.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: So first of all, I gotta say I didn't say
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: this to you Paul on the show, but they're tenth
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: in ep on first down, all right, So tenth, so
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: they're a very good first down defense. Now the breakdown
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: though that I had, and I'm gonna try to make
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: these as digestible as possible because nobody wants this.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Don't use the numbers, to use the rankings. It's much
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: easier that way.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm talking about the difference second and third
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: down short to mid so second and third down one
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: to six yards versus third down, second and third down
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: and long. All right, So I'm already second and third
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: down one to six yards, they're the thirtieth ranked defense
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: in the league. So second and third down one to
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: six yards, so short to middle back that up to
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: second and third down and long they're sixth. So and
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: we've talked a lot about the circumstantial, like oh, they
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: got a holding call that made it second and long.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: So just from these numbers that I was nerding out on,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: it's just like a point to a weird thing of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: when it's long distance, like, no problem, we're going to cover,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: we're going to get after the quarterback. But when it's
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: short and medium on second and third down, they're not very.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Good that speed in the middle.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what that's what the debate is.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So they're eighteenth and early down EPA, first and
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: second down EPA they're ninth and third down EPA. And
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: I think the big thing, you know, looking at the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: discrepancy is you know that they stopped the run really well,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: but on early downs they're getting killed by passes.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: And I just I don't know.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Why the early down defense is not stopping the pass well,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: but it's not. And so that that's just statistically what
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Let's look at the style. You know, are they giving
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: too much cushion, you know, are they not pressing enough?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the other thing that's like I think concerning
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: is right now, statistically they're one of the worst man
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: coverage defenses in football. And that was supposed to be
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: their calling card, was supposed to be how they were built.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: And I think what you know, the issues that you're
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: seeing are the linebacker in safety play in the middle
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: of the field, either not supporting the man coverage defenders
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: with help like the Marcus Jones example that we were
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: talking about earlier, or they're getting isolated in man coverage
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: on the safeties and linebackers and then they're picking on
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: those guys in man to man coverage. So either way
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: you look at it, I do think it stems from
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field. And I know that there's
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: been some criticism of Carlon Davis and maybe a little
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: bit less so, but even you know, Gonzales should not
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: be giving up third down completions to Van Jefferson. Okay,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: no disrespect to Van Jefferson, but Carlton Christian Gonzalez is
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: a much much better player than Van Jefferson. But those
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: two guys really are not giving up a lot of yardage,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: you know, they really aren't. So's it's coming in the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: middle of the field. And you know that that is
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: if you're looking at personnel and you're looking, you know,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: into next offseason or even the trade deadline, like getting
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: more dynamic pass game players at linebacker and safety has
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: got to be where you start.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: One more follow up on this kind of related would
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: you say now that Christian Ellis is less a starter
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: and it's more rotational spot next to Spelene.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Because it just doesn't. It doesn't.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: It seems to me like it's a rotation now and
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: Gibbons is going to get in there, and Devia's gonna.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Play a little bit in the three linebacker stuff.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: But you know, at the start of the season, it
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: felt like it was Ellis and Spoleaine our two guys,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: and then when he Elis won play so good, it
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: felt like, all right, let's let's get another guy in there.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: But now to me, it just seems like it's kind
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: of a rotational spot, which is probably a little bit
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: of an indictment of what you're doing.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I think that they've slightly upgraded Bentley
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: to Spolaine in terms of coverage, but it's still not
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: his strong suits. So, like we were talking earlier about
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: the crosser that was one of the better throws that
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: cam Ward made. I mean, like a better coverage linebacker,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: does he like squeeze that throat? Does he get a
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: hand on it? Like, I don't know, And I know
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: that's nitpicky, but like these are the play that they're
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: giving up. They're giving up bombs on post routes, they're
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: giving up crossers over the middle of the field. They're
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: giving up in breaking routes you know from the outside,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: slants and skinny posts and things like that. Like they're
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: not giving up go routes. They're not giving up things
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: to the outside. Because gun Zalaz and Davis are there,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: so like it's all this other stuff that is hurting
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: them in the NFL.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Do you kind of have to give up something now?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: In a question, fre I kind of feel like a
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: little bit with that of, Look, we know that this
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: guy might not be great in coverage, but he's going
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: to be super reliable against the run.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: He's gonna, you know, know, where to be. Like, I
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: hear what you're saying.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: If you have good offense like the Patriots have had
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: so far, their defenses is good enough, Yeah, it'll be fine. Like,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any I agree with Fred, just
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: like piggybacking a little bit, you know, Mike, I think
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: got defensive because I was like, so, let me get
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: this straight. If it's third in the Patriots defense can
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: be okay. If it's if it's second and short, not
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: so much. Now. I get what Mike is saying. It's
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: relative because everybody's third and long and they're really good.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: Everybody's second and short and they're really bad. I get
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: what Mike is saying. I understand the numbers. I would
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: just say anecdotally, without you know, breaking down tape and whatnot,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: I think this is a team that conventionally doesn't get
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of pressure front four without doing stuff. So
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: it just stands to reason that when it's third and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: long they get pressure. They can get some pressure because
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: they can dial it up a little bit. They know
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: when they know what's coming. I think they've been better.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: Now again that's still relative. Everybody else knows what's coming too,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: and they're better than would you say, sixth on third
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: and long. So they're better than everybody else on third
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: and long.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: I mean they're ninth on third down in general. And
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: to that point I put this in after further review
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: as well. They're playing a lot of man free, which
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: is just man to man with one single high safety
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. So there's nobody at
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: the second level that's a help defender. There's no robber
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: at the second level of the defense. And the reason
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: why they're doing that is because they're blitzing because to
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: Paul's point, they don't feel confident in the four man
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: pass rush getting home. So now this is the dilemma
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: is like, do you take the robber and you drop
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: the robber? Well, now you only have a four man
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: pass rush, or you can put the robber in the rush,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: and now you have a five man pass rush, so
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: you have to decide where are you gonna put the numbers,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: and without that butt person in the middle of the field,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: like Van Jefferson third and three, he just runs a
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: slant right into the middle of the open field and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: there's nobody inside to help Gonzales, so he just gets beat.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: Carl And Davis got beat on the same exact route
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: by Rashid Shaheed the week before, and so it's just
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: that's it.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: And when we're talking about some of this stuff, and
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: by the way, Vrabel mentioned some of these things on Monday.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: You know, have to bet early in games on early downs,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: and specifically he said we need to generate pressure on
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: early downs. We're not and that sort of speaks to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: that a little bit. But I also would say that
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: part of it is when you're third and long with
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: the offenses that they that they've been playing, you might
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: as well punt. The Tennessee Titans aren't converting third and elevens, right,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: you know, the Carolina Panthers aren't.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: It's a good point.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: They need to be ahead of the chains. Their offenses
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: are so limited. We're talking about thirty ranked thirty first ranked,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: thirty second ranked. They can't be third and long. They
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: can't overcome that. The biggest difference between the Patriots offense
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: the past two years and this year is it's not
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: time to punt when it's third and long for the
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: Patriots anymore.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: They've been able to convert some of those preach.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great and I just so.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: That's obviously going to make you numbers better when you're
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: playing these terrible offenses, and then you when you are
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: able to get them behind to your your point, you
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: get a holding call. That's the end, right, because they
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: can't overcome that, right, or even.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: A false start for five killed.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: But Paul, I'm glad you brought that up because this
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: was another point I kind of came out of my
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: little nerd review that the pass rush hasn't been that
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: great and I think we all kind of look at
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: Barmore looks really good. Williams has gotten some pressures in
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: some key spots, I mean.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: Numbers and you just see like they had five sacks
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: in the game. But the overall.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Pressure it has not been that great this year. And
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: that's I think, is it?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's I'm glad you brought that up there, and
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: when they got it it was after that twenty point
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: twenty one point blitz.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: They really you know, I mean, I think Chase I
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: had a pretty good game. Ye yeah, you know, to
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: be honest with you, I thought he had a couple
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: of good pressures in the game.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: But I thought they I thought, you know, maybe it's
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: the tape that they saw of Williams and Barmore. But
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: I thought, uh, the Titans were kind of ready for
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: that pressure, and they were coaching cam Ward deep drops,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: move out of the pocket, and a lot of times
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: he had plenty of time because he wasn't even near with.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Certainly in the first half. Yeah, he had all he
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: had all day.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Well, they rolled him on the on the throwback play.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: But I wonder, like if you so, It's it's all
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: about numbers, right, Like, if you put six guys in coverage,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: you have five in the rush. Who puts seven in coverage,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: you have four in the rush. If they put seven
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: in coverage and they have they played more robber where
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: they have one high safety with the robber at the sticks,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: and that allows these man coverage defenders. In theory, the
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: quarterback has to hold the ball longer, right, because it's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: not the coverage is going to be tighter, and that's
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: how you like, That's always the dilemma is like is
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: it pass rush or is it coverage? And I just
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: wonder with this team, with Gonzales Davis and Marcus Jones
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: being as good as they are in man coverage, if
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: you just give all the resources to the coverage and
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: say we are just gonna lock teams down eventually, I
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: feel like Landry Chase on, Milton Williams and Barmore are
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: gonna get home. Like it might not be instant pressure
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: like it would be if you, you know, try to
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: dial it up or whatever with blitzes, but if you
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: give them three seconds to get to the quarterback, then
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: I think more times than not then they're going to
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: cause pressure and cause disruption. So I just wonder if
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: that that's, you know, they'd start to try to change
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: up their man schemes because like they're literally dead last
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: and EPA and man coverage. That shouldn't happen with the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: personnel they have.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Franklin and Baltimore rates. And I've been watching the postgame
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: locker room reactions and I got to say this is
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: the most bought in I've seen a Patriots team in
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: a while. I don't even think the twenty eighteen squad
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: with its Super Bowl win was as bought in, which
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: I know is a crazy thing to say since they
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: locked in during the playoffs. But Rabel has an approach
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: that's similar to Dan Campbell, where the player coach mentality
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: is married to a modern approach to analytics. If it
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: wasn't for Stiching, Rabel would be the front runner for
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Coach of the Year.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: So you're not crazy on the twenty eighteen comparison because
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: that team clearly, you know, toge, we knew it going
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: through it, but it was confirmed with the documentary. They
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: didn't like each other, they didn't like what was going on.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of dissension in that team. It's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: another example of like, you can win even if you
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: don't have good culture if you have enough talent. But yeah, no,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: there's no question this team is bought in. It's absolutely body.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: The Dan Campbell thing is is fascinating to me.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about you the other night, watching the
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: lines a little last night about yeah, because this does it,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: because that's what you're worried about. Like back Johnson leaves
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: and the offenses. You know, but but this is what
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: I was thinking actually, And I'm sorry to cut you off,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: because I was literally thinking about you last night when
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: I was watching this.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: That's nice, you know, but it's like I was thinking about.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like you get things up and running
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: and like the system is, you know, but once you
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: have to start changing out parts, is that when it starts.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: Because all these guys were coached by Ben Johnson, they
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: were you know, the energy was kind of and so they're.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Able to continue that a little bit.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: But as you start to get farther away, is this when,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: right now we got to put a guy in and
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: a key role that hasn't really played, and now it's
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: going to start to get even more difficult.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: But I was thinking about that last night.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: They still look by the way, the offense that leads
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: the league in explosive plays Chicago bears Johnson. But yeah,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: they they they the former play model, the Dan Campbell,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: the Mike Rabel with the analytical whiz kid sidekick is
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: like my new favorite, like brain trust, Like normally you
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: know me, like I like the type hands right, like
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: I would hire Ben Johnson ten times out of ten.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: But there's something to be said for the guy that's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: played and Ben in the room and Ben in their
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: shoes and has that kind of bravado about him that
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Rabel and Dan Campbell has. But then they're complimented by
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: stretch by, you know, people like that that can help
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: them with the nerd side of things.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: And just hearing yesterday.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: With Rabel with Cleveland coming up, and obviously he spent
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: the year last year with the Browns and talking a
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: little bit about adopting more analytics and like how the
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: Patriots have approached that and learning some of the things
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: from Cleveland, and it's been cool how open he is
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: to that side of things because not a lot of
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: former players turned coaches are that.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: That's do you want to hear embracing things that are
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: bad about PU think about us?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: I love the this is Isaac from Westfield says the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: first thing, well, he says that these are things you
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: absolutely need to change. First, Patty from Agawam, this guy
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: is the most boring multos Schlept to ever call in.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Why do you consistently answer his calls as if we care?
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: It's his birthday? And then he went to training camp
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: once two the return from practice in locker room music,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: whose brilliant idea was this? I want to die of
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: cringe every time I hear this.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: That's one of the best parts.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Well, this is.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: All violent disagreement with that the sponsors.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: If I hear one more back to back, your father
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: and I would like you to stop asking us for
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: money in that smug FedEx voice, I'm gonna go insane
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: and bront workwear enough Fred, How much are these guys paying?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: You get some new sponsors for Fred's lack of knowledge
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: with the current NFL landscape. Now, we all love Fred
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: and his good vies, but holy crap, does he.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: Even watch I will not stand for that.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a bit about how many times he
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: butcher's player's name, what team a player is on, how
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: long they've been out of the league, et cetera. Can
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: somebody explain his job? Is he more of a producer
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: and more of a ViBe's guide? Who used to follow
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: the team? Five Christian in La So? Was he a troll?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Was it all a bit? He's slowly becoming somewhat normal
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: and you've let him off the hook without acknowledging it.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Six press conferences. If we wanted to hear Mike Vrabel
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: pretend he's not an alpha male a hole personality for
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds every week by kissing Karen Kregians. But we
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: tune in live on the radio or watch on YouTube.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Cut those boring filler segments from the show. If you
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: have any integrity, you will read this on air.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, the challenge job. Yeah, and I didn't even
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: know you put that in the end.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: I read it anyway, so it wasn't because of that
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: ending set.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: I'm a little disappointed.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: I feel left out flame my song, but I feel
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't get flamed that.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: I feel left out everybody else?
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Well, is there someone for you? Is there something to
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: somebody else? Prob rented in Edmonton, Thank you, brand Ben
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: a p you listener for fifteen years and during the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: dark ages of nineteen to twenty four, I distinctly recall
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: a slow building, melancholic tone to Paul over the years,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: but during this win streak, I've noticed Paul is happier
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: and more spirited than ever. I just wanted to point
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: this out, share my happiness for the team and Paul.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. Not what I was looking for.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: I was looking for the criticism, but it's pretty simple.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: You win four games. It's I mean, we can try
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: to put as much lipstick on it as we can.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: It's a little different when the quarterback is playing.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I did it on air, but
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think part of the nuance too for
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: Paul is that they're winning the game with talent.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: And you know it's not just.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: No because you have the bad schedule, right, and let's
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: face it, not all five and twos are the same. Like,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: you could be winning these games thirteen to ten because
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: the other team turns it over four times and you
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: only turn it over twice. That's on how they're winning
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: these games.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: You were afraid of that in the beginning of the year.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you didn't want that, And I didn't want
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: to win because of defense, right, because I don't think
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: it's a very sustainable model, right.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, just used to play at the end of
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: the half, the touchdown throw to booty where Jason McCarty
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: is saying, like, oh, they're going to play for halftime.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: They they they were going to play for half time.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: They wanted to end half. He was probably right.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: But it just happens that Drake May is on the field.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: But right it is crazy waking up this morning after
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: the whole slate is over. Drake May is third in
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: betting odds for m.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: VP of the league, and think that's ridiculous.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: And the people that are in front of him are
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: Mahomes and Allen off of purely off a resume, like
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: it's just the expectation is is the next you know,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: nine weeks, those guys will rise to the top.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: It's not. He's played better than both of those guys,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: and one of the guys that had sort of been
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: playing at that level, they take a big step back
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: last night, just one game. But he was bad. He
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: was horrible. You know, I would say, you can't ignore
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: what's going on in India with with both Jones and Taylor.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: I think they both played an exceptionally high level. But
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: there's nobody that would argue right now, what do you
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: what do you mean Drake May's an m VP candidate.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Cam Newton might might have.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: Can I just tell you, don't anybody tell Drake May
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: that that that's his guy?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe motivate him. He's like that, he doesn't he take.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: Someone's gotta let Cam know what Drake thinks of him,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: and I think that would change another It does help.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: You know, Baker playing bad on Monday Night football definitely
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: helps Drake may because everybody is the real last memory
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: of Drake May is Sunday night football in Buffalo. So
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: when you play poorly in these primetime showings they do,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: that does.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: Sway the vote.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: I would even add in, you know Mike Evans going
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: down with the broken collar bone, like that's is that
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: what happened to him? That's going to be part of
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: that that.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: I saw come out. I didn't know what was wrong
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Man, what is it?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: Everything works out?
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 15: Everything we're going.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: Friend, Mike Evans is hurt. Michael Pennix has like a
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: bone bruise and his leg bruise.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: I don't even know about that one.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: And well, it was funny because I saw this yesterday
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: and Pennix is one of the Bar's boys. He Bar is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: big Penis guy, and so I texted him and I
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: was like, so now the Patriots are going to face
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel Kirk Cousins. The question Baker Mayfield without Mike, Yeah,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: but Cousins, he can.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Spin it.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Places I want back to back lefty.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, so then you'll face Penix on one leg.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Lefty quarterbacks. I just think that's a funny, weird and
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: that's true.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Joseph Pennsylvania.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: What's up, Joe, Yojo?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 17: You guys love the show and I love the entrance
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 17: music from the locker room.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: Good, thank you, Joe.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 17: But I have a question about just like the future
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 17: like Chase on him Booty, right, But first I want
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 17: to say, like, like with the Jets and the Dolphins,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 17: it's nice that they only have one combined win, but
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 17: I actually hope they help us out and like become
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 17: like a traft game for some other like AFC playoff teams.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I could help us down the road.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 17: And so they're not drafting so high.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, you just look at the Jets the last
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: two weeks. They get their team points consecutive weeks and
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: lost the games. Yeah like that that you know you
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: can you can win a game if you only allowed
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: their team points, right, So they could do exactly what
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: Joe says, they could trip somebody up.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 17: Yep, sure, yeah, And my question is, so here's the scenario, guys,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 17: really with the future of Chase On and Booty Chase
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 17: On only signed a one year deal. But let's say
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 17: we're draft draft next year, we're in the we're selected
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 17: mid twenties. Let's just say, do we resign Chase On
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 17: as our starter defensive end next year? And is Booty
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 17: like our X going forward?
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 14: To me?
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 17: He's our X going forward. If that's the case, what
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 17: position are we drafting? Think your biggest need?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: You think?
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think like one. I mean, I don't think
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: one takes away the other. If you like Chase On
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: and you sign him, that doesn't mean if you're in
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: a position.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think either one of those guys would eliminate
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: me from looking at that position in the draft. I
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: don't know what's going to be available. I don't you know, Yeah,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know either, but I you know, generally speaking
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: now a little bit of diving in on the draft,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: like you just you need to get younger at the
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: edge position. It's a critical position. It's the only you know,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: one of the big five that you don't feel like, well,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: I guess receiver to where you don't really have the
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: young talent that that you're going to need long term.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: So I, you know, I don't put receiver atop that list.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: But if an opportunity to present itself to get somebody established,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: I might be interested in that.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: But there's a lot of things that you, I mean,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: you might need to tackle next year. I mean, Morgan
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: Moses thirty four years old. I mean, I don't know
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: how much they think of Marcus Bryant. Maybe they think
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 4: he's great, and then that's not a worry at all.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: Younger tight end, tight end is safety, lineback.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's tough class for those some of these
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: positions in the first round at least, like edge is
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: really the one that everybody's been touting as.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: The on your raft for a long time.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: But just in terms of the talent and the draft,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: like edge is, everyone's talking about this edge class already
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: like it's gonna be a really good one. So maybe
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: if they're picking like in the teens, and you know,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: a couple go ahead of them, like, they might have
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: somebody fall to them that isn't necessarily supposed to be there,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: and you might get Lucky.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: I hate Todd, by the way.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Shout out to the Nashville Patriots fan club. Big party
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: in the Saturday night, they got after it at the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: Live Oak bars there and.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: Kiss some baby behind the velvet Roe.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: Evan doesn't know I did. I did tell you, Evan,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: if you were there, you wouldn't have bought a drink.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: Where's Evan?
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: I was getting into an uber to go back to
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: the hotel on Saturday night and the door opens and
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: this kid comes flying out of the uber and is like.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: Evan, Oh my god, I'm the biggest fan. Can I
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: take a selfie this whole thing?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: He's like talking to me about PU and Cash twenty
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: two and like just on the random road in Nashville, Tennessee,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: mais night and the fan of the show just pops
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: out of the uber that I was getting in, Like
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: what are the odds of like that whole thing happening?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: So a ton of Patriots fans down in Nashville.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: When he goes to share that story with someone, and
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: it's kind of probably hard for like his mom or
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: dad or girlfriend to like appreciate like who.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Evan Lai, Yeah, who?
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't listen to I mean I met, No,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: Don't saying the same thing for me, like you know,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: like saying like any of us like who I mean, Paul,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 5: you're on the radio. I mean you're you know, you
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: have your shows, but I mean those are you know,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: some of these guys we're kind of.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: Like, we're kind of a niche.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: That was as many.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: That was as many Patriots fans at a road game
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: that I have maybe se since I started working for
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: the team. I mean we were coming to get on
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: the bus after the game and it was loud like
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: air was There had to have been, you know, hundreds
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: at least fans like, you know, on the other side
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: of the fences.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, you know, good and screaming good turnout.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be it for this edition
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. We've got Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Yes,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: you and Barth live pants off pants on.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: I hope the pants stay on.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, well you're behind the desk, no one would know.
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