Latest / THE DAILY BRIEF / Sir Alan Bates lands seven-figure Horizon payout
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Significant news about the situation regarding Sir ALANM. Bates, who
- 0:04Speaker 1: of course fought tirelessly over more than twenty years to
- 0:07Speaker 1: seek justice for the victims of the Post Office Horizon scandal.
- 0:11Speaker 1: What I can reveal this morning is that Sir Alan
- 0:13Speaker 1: himself has reached a settlement with the government over his
- 0:16Speaker 1: own multimillion pounds compensation claim. Now, Sir Alan has been
- 0:21Speaker 1: very vocal publicly in criticizing the pace and the progress
- 0:27Speaker 1: of the government's efforts to award address to those who
- 0:32Speaker 1: were the victims of the Horizon It scandal. As we know,
- 0:35Speaker 1: more than a dozen people took their own lives. Hundreds
- 0:38Speaker 1: of people were wrongfully convicted and sent to prison over
- 0:43Speaker 1: this Fallsey software system, which we now know the bosses
- 0:48Speaker 1: of the Post Office at the time and the Japanese
- 0:50Speaker 1: company Fijitsu which supplied that software were aware of its
- 0:54Speaker 1: potential flaws. Now, as I understand it, Sir Allan, who
- 0:57Speaker 1: described an offer that he had received in May as
- 1:01Speaker 1: a take it or leave it offer, he has received
- 1:04Speaker 1: a payout which I understand to be worth between four
- 1:07Speaker 1: and five million pounds that amounts to just under half
- 1:10Speaker 1: of his total claim. Now the government has given me
- 1:13Speaker 1: a statement this morning saying we pay tribute to Sir
- 1:17Speaker 1: Alan Bates for his long record of campaigning on behalf
- 1:20Speaker 1: of victims and have now paid out over one point
- 1:22Speaker 1: two billion pounds to more than nine thousand victims. We
- 1:26Speaker 1: can confirm that Sir Alan's claim has reached the end
- 1:29Speaker 1: of the scheme process and been settled. I should also
- 1:32Speaker 1: point out that I've tried to reach Sir Allan for
- 1:35Speaker 1: comment on this development and have been unable to do so.
- 1:39Speaker 1: So we'll keep trying to reach in to see if
- 1:41Speaker 1: he wants to provide a response to the fact that
- 1:43Speaker 1: the government has now confirmed that his own claim has
- 1:46Speaker 1: been settled.
- 1:47Speaker 2: As ever, a massive scoop mark congrats on that. What
- 1:50Speaker 2: are the implications for other claimants? Are these things done
- 1:54Speaker 2: collectively or individually well?
- 1:56Speaker 1: Originally, Sir Alan was, in so many a pioneer in
- 2:01Speaker 1: terms of fighting for justice for the victims of the
- 2:03Speaker 1: post office scandal. Originally, he and about five hundred and
- 2:08Speaker 1: fifty other former subpostmasters took the post Office to court
- 2:13Speaker 1: received what was called a group compensation order of about
- 2:19Speaker 1: fifty eight million pounds, but after legal fees, that was
- 2:21Speaker 1: whittled down to just twelve million pounds that then prompted
- 2:24Speaker 1: the government to set up a further redress scheme, which
- 2:27Speaker 1: is being handled on an individual, case by case basis.
- 2:30Speaker 1: And I should point out that it's not just Sir
- 2:32Speaker 1: Allen who has complained bitterly about this compensation process. A
- 2:37Speaker 1: number of other very high profile former subpostmasters have also
- 2:41Speaker 1: said that the offers that they've received were inadequate and
- 2:45Speaker 1: that they haven't materialized at all. So there are still
- 2:49Speaker 1: a number, a large number of other claimants from this
- 2:51Speaker 1: process who are waiting to receive their money. And I
- 2:54Speaker 1: don't think there's anyone who would agree or argue that
- 2:57Speaker 1: those payments aren't long overdue.
- 2:59Speaker 3: Yeah, I think things that's worth reminding everyone, and I'm
- 3:02Speaker 3: sure I don't need reminding us be honest about you
- 3:04Speaker 3: know what this is about. I think the thing that
- 3:06Speaker 3: got me about the story is that the post office
- 3:10Speaker 3: workers were people who were like pillars of their local community.
- 3:12Speaker 3: They were like central to their high streets. There were
- 3:14Speaker 3: small business owners, not early buckets of money, but doing
- 3:18Speaker 3: a job that they felt was worthwhile, and they had
- 3:20Speaker 3: standing within their community. And I think that's why it
- 3:23Speaker 3: kind of destroyed these people's lives so much that they
- 3:26Speaker 3: were seen as thieves, right, And it's the criminal stuff
- 3:30Speaker 3: that came without, but it's also the reputational damage that
- 3:32Speaker 3: it came to these people as well. Who you know.
- 3:34Speaker 3: You know what the post office like in your sort
- 3:36Speaker 3: of high street. You know whether it's in a pharmacy
- 3:38Speaker 3: or in its own building. You know the person in there,
- 3:40Speaker 3: that they're part of your daily life. Right.
- 3:43Speaker 1: Absolutely, hundreds of people had their livelihoods destroyed, but as
- 3:48Speaker 1: you say, they had their reputations within their local communities
- 3:51Speaker 1: left in ruins. No amount of money obviously can repair
- 3:55Speaker 1: that damage. But of course, as we see with this
- 3:58Speaker 1: case involving Surrell, and I think it's worth pointing out
- 4:01Speaker 1: that's relevant, will probably receive the largest of any of
- 4:03Speaker 1: the individual sums being paid out by the government in
- 4:06Speaker 1: compensation over the Horizon scandal.
- 4:09Speaker 2: That part I find really interesting, And I don't know
- 4:11Speaker 2: all of the legals of this, but I can totally
- 4:14Speaker 2: see how we'd all sit here and say he almost
- 4:16Speaker 2: deserves more. Maybe many of the other postmasters would almost
- 4:19Speaker 2: say that because of the leading role he's played to
- 4:21Speaker 2: get to this point. But a settlement surely won't be
- 4:25Speaker 2: based on who's been the most effective campaign. It will
- 4:27Speaker 2: be based on the extent to which they were wrong.
- 4:30Speaker 2: But in that regard, if you're saying this is going
- 4:33Speaker 2: to be done equally, then the government might be having
- 4:35Speaker 2: to pay four to five million pounds to quite a
- 4:38Speaker 2: lot of people.
- 4:39Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget, Wilford, that the post Office is a
- 4:42Speaker 1: publicly owned company. It's subsidized by the state, and the
- 4:45Speaker 1: post Office's own finances have been in a pretty parlor
- 4:48Speaker 1: state for a very long period of time. There's a
- 4:51Speaker 1: new management team in place now which is trying to
- 4:54Speaker 1: turn the post office's commercial performance around. But the government,
- 4:59Speaker 1: as you say, he is facing some pretty hefty claims.
- 5:02Speaker 1: They say they've paid out over one point two billion
- 5:04Speaker 1: pounds to over nine thousand to over nine thousand victims,
- 5:09Speaker 1: and as I say, I suspect that Sir Allan's compensation
- 5:11Speaker 1: payment will be the largest of the lot