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- 0:00Speaker 1: If A J.
- 0:01Speaker 2: Perzinski is saying you're an MVP at the age twenty three, well,
- 0:04Speaker 2: working at Wrigley Field, you must be doing something extraordinary.
- 0:13Speaker 3: All right. We want to welcome in Paton Youlways appreciate
- 0:16Speaker 3: him being on the show. Of course, he's the senior
- 0:18Speaker 3: writer for The Athletic covering the Chicago Cubs, a contributor
- 0:21Speaker 3: on Foul Territory TV and North Side Territory. Patrick, Great
- 0:25Speaker 3: to see you. Let's start with the conversation surrounding PCA.
- 0:29Speaker 3: In one convo, I hear they're going to extend him.
- 0:31Speaker 3: In another convo, I hear that they might trade him.
- 0:34Speaker 3: What's going on with him?
- 0:37Speaker 2: Oh, they're definitely not trading him. But you know, our
- 0:41Speaker 2: kind of rule of thumb at the Athletic now is
- 0:44Speaker 2: just you cannot overwrite Pete crow Armstrong. It seems like
- 0:49Speaker 2: every time he steps to the plate something might happen.
- 0:54Speaker 4: You crazy, crazy.
- 0:58Speaker 2: In center field and just causing havoc on the basis
- 1:02Speaker 2: So I don't those extension talks have not been totally
- 1:07Speaker 2: extinguished or the Cubs have not shut the door on that.
- 1:10Speaker 4: There's a lot of time for that to happen. But
- 1:12Speaker 4: he is certainly playing.
- 1:15Speaker 2: At an MVP level where he might might be his
- 1:19Speaker 2: best interest to wait, you.
- 1:22Speaker 5: Have any idea if this was a knee jerk reaction
- 1:24Speaker 5: to his start of the season, Because last year all
- 1:27Speaker 5: we heard about PCA was great defense man. He's barely
- 1:31Speaker 5: even in the big leagues unless Craig Counsel, the eight
- 1:33Speaker 5: million dollar manager, approved him to be in the big leagues.
- 1:37Speaker 5: The ORG didn't really seem like they were too high
- 1:42Speaker 5: on him or they expected more. I'm not sure what
- 1:44Speaker 5: it was, but now does this feel like a two
- 1:47Speaker 5: month knee jerk reaction.
- 1:51Speaker 4: No.
- 1:51Speaker 2: I think he just because he's such a great athlete,
- 1:55Speaker 2: as Jed Hoyer said the other day, that.
- 1:57Speaker 4: He's able to do special things.
- 1:59Speaker 2: And I do you think Counsel was big for helping
- 2:02Speaker 2: his development of telling him when he came up, like, look,
- 2:07Speaker 2: just play defense, you know, make a difference on the
- 2:09Speaker 2: basis so you.
- 2:10Speaker 4: Don't worry about your hitting.
- 2:12Speaker 2: But behind the scenes, the Cubs hitting group did a
- 2:15Speaker 2: great job of, you know, getting his stance and his
- 2:19Speaker 2: swing into a place where he can do damage. I
- 2:22Speaker 2: think part of it is just the game teaching him
- 2:25Speaker 2: how to slow.
- 2:26Speaker 4: It down, channel some of his wild energy.
- 2:31Speaker 2: And you know, I do think the Cubs have a
- 2:33Speaker 2: good group of like steady veteran players who are those
- 2:38Speaker 2: baseball Jim rats and helped him develop a routine. But look,
- 2:42Speaker 2: I mean in the middle of April he was barely hitting.
- 2:46Speaker 2: I mean, no one saw this coming this fast, and
- 2:50Speaker 2: that's why people can stop talking about him.
- 2:56Speaker 6: Are you ready for this? Are you ready, Patrick, for
- 2:58Speaker 6: what I'm about to say right now? Peter Armstrong is
- 3:01Speaker 6: by MVP of the National League for what he's done
- 3:04Speaker 6: offensively and defensively. So you should record that and show
- 3:07Speaker 6: all your little Cub friends that I said something good
- 3:09Speaker 6: about the Cubs. Okay, you've always been this homer and apologist.
- 3:13Speaker 6: We all get it, no doubt, there's no doubt, no doubt.
- 3:16Speaker 6: But no, I'm serious, Like, he has been incredible. I
- 3:18Speaker 6: know it's been a month, but if he continues this,
- 3:22Speaker 6: he's at least in.
- 3:22Speaker 4: The conversation for sure.
- 3:24Speaker 6: I mean with his defense, his stolen bases, his hitting,
- 3:27Speaker 6: and the thing is, he gets big hits. He's aren't
- 3:29Speaker 6: like down nine to two and he hits a stolen homer.
- 3:31Speaker 6: I mean he's sitting grand slams, He's sitting these home
- 3:33Speaker 6: runs that are that are huge. So I don't know
- 3:36Speaker 6: what else there is to say. And if I was him,
- 3:38Speaker 6: I would not sign an extension. I would wait till
- 3:40Speaker 6: the end of the year and then be like, look, guys,
- 3:42Speaker 6: here's my whole year's work. This is only going to
- 3:44Speaker 6: get better. This is the baseline. Now come to me
- 3:47Speaker 6: Rickett's family, which they won't, but that's fine.
- 3:51Speaker 2: Well, he's definitely not, you know, putting up garbage time numbers.
- 3:55Speaker 2: He's definitely not like just a long for the ride,
- 3:59Speaker 2: you know. It's you got to remember, this is someone
- 4:02Speaker 2: who started playing for Team USA on like their twelve
- 4:05Speaker 2: and underteam you went to Harvard, Westlake could have gone
- 4:09Speaker 2: to Vanderbilt first round pick without even having like a
- 4:12Speaker 2: true senior year in twenty twenty, so like this was
- 4:17Speaker 2: always in there. I think he's had a ton of confidence.
- 4:21Speaker 2: That's what has become clear in talking to people who've
- 4:24Speaker 2: worked with him over the years. But he's also like
- 4:27Speaker 2: very self aware. He loves just kind of the day
- 4:33Speaker 2: to day, you know craft aspect to that, working on
- 4:37Speaker 2: his craft, learning more about the game, and so that
- 4:42Speaker 2: very well, maybe what happens of them ultimately kind of
- 4:46Speaker 2: punting on this, but you know why I've written about
- 4:48Speaker 2: the extension stuff is that you know, they talked at
- 4:53Speaker 2: length right around the Tokyo series is where it came
- 4:56Speaker 2: to a head and they decided to you know, kind
- 4:59Speaker 2: of table thing. But it leaked out a couple weeks later.
- 5:04Speaker 2: But there was no sense of like this was a
- 5:07Speaker 2: take it or leave it offer. I think it's become
- 5:11Speaker 2: clear that Jed Hoyer, though he's in the last year
- 5:14Speaker 2: of his contract, has the authority and interest to think
- 5:19Speaker 2: well beyond just the end of this season. Pete says
- 5:25Speaker 2: he loves it here, wants to be in Chicago for
- 5:27Speaker 2: a long time. His dad grew up in the suburbs
- 5:30Speaker 2: of Chicago. I mean, Pete is someone who grew up
- 5:33Speaker 2: in a house that had the Anthony Rizzo framed Sports
- 5:37Speaker 2: Illustrated cover celebrating the twenty sixteen World Series. And this
- 5:41Speaker 2: front office to Eric, yeah that work, that work, kid,
- 5:48Speaker 2: you know, So like this front office wants to build
- 5:51Speaker 2: around him, so like, I don't know, it's it could
- 5:56Speaker 2: still happen. I think that's kind of the point of
- 5:58Speaker 2: this conversation here of like, you know, our listeners, our readers,
- 6:02Speaker 2: like shouldn't be totally blindsided if something does pop up,
- 6:06Speaker 2: because there's a lot of you know, mutual interest here
- 6:09Speaker 2: at the same time. Yeah, like if you're an MVP.
- 6:13Speaker 2: If aj Perzinsky is saying you're an MVP at the
- 6:15Speaker 2: age twenty three, well, working at Wrigley Field, you must
- 6:19Speaker 2: be doing something extraordinary.
- 6:22Speaker 6: Either that hold on or I've lost my bloody mind.
- 6:25Speaker 6: I don't know what's one it is I'm poisoning.
- 6:27Speaker 4: I'm not sure about one of the others.
- 6:29Speaker 3: Yeah, or he was taken over by aliens Patrick anytime, Yes,
- 6:33Speaker 3: anything positive about the Cubs. He has had an out
- 6:35Speaker 3: of body experience. How do you go though, from that
- 6:38Speaker 3: kid that overslept on the first day of instructional league
- 6:41Speaker 3: to a kid that perhaps gets an extension and is
- 6:44Speaker 3: a huge piece of the puzzle for what the Cubs
- 6:46Speaker 3: want to do doing forward. I would imagine maturity, but
- 6:49Speaker 3: it seems like something else has a switch has flipped
- 6:52Speaker 3: for him. It appears.
- 6:55Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 6:55Speaker 2: I think it's someone who has great raw talent that
- 6:59Speaker 2: is able to do things on a baseball field that
- 7:01Speaker 2: most people cannot. And it's also someone who is very
- 7:09Speaker 2: self aware, extremely articulate, can really break down the game
- 7:17Speaker 2: and understand personalities and like, you know, he has inside
- 7:23Speaker 2: jokes with like Saya Suzuki. And then he's also you know,
- 7:29Speaker 2: kind of bouncing around the clubhouse talking to everyone like
- 7:31Speaker 2: he's not withdrawn, he's eager to learn. And you know
- 7:37Speaker 2: Aj knows this, like the Cubs, you know, historically are
- 7:41Speaker 2: in a market that kind of you know, over hype
- 7:46Speaker 2: prospects maybe jumps to conclusions, but there is a support
- 7:50Speaker 2: system here of the eight million dollar manager that Eric mentioned,
- 7:56Speaker 2: who had a really nice reputation for developing young talent
- 7:59Speaker 2: in Milwaukee at Sky's, like Dansby Swanson, Nico Horner, Ian
- 8:04Speaker 2: Happ who were in his ear encouraging him when his
- 8:09Speaker 2: numbers were terrible offensively at the start of the year
- 8:12Speaker 2: and saying like, stick with the process.
- 8:14Speaker 4: It's a long year.
- 8:14Speaker 2: We all know how Wrigly can play in April, like,
- 8:18Speaker 2: just keep doing your thing, things are going to turn.
- 8:21Speaker 4: And that is what's happened.
- 8:22Speaker 2: It's just like the degree to which has happened is
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- 9:28Speaker 4: Patrick, I need a number.
- 9:30Speaker 5: What's it gonna take?
- 9:32Speaker 4: Where?
- 9:32Speaker 5: I mean obviously any extension Cubs fans are gonna be like, wow,
- 9:35Speaker 5: the Rickets are actually spending money. Like, we're good with that.
- 9:38Speaker 4: Whatever the number is, But what's.
- 9:40Speaker 5: It gonna take what's it gonna take today, because tomorrow
- 9:44Speaker 5: he might hit another big hit and that number just
- 9:47Speaker 5: keeps going up.
- 9:50Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, before the start of the season,
- 9:53Speaker 2: I think Corman Carroll's deal, which was put together by CIA,
- 9:58Speaker 2: the same agency that represents Pete, that would have been
- 10:03Speaker 2: not even a high end but probably unrealistic, like not
- 10:06Speaker 2: even worth talking about. But now that might be a
- 10:11Speaker 2: little outdated, and so clearly it's a nine figure commitment.
- 10:17Speaker 2: It would be from Pete's side, I'm sure they would
- 10:21Speaker 2: want to limit their those club option years, those free
- 10:26Speaker 2: agent years. You want to preserve flexibility for that. But
- 10:29Speaker 2: I think part of it, too is his floor is
- 10:33Speaker 2: really high, like even like a worst case scenario for
- 10:36Speaker 2: pie Crow Armstrong, it's probably being a ten year big
- 10:39Speaker 2: leaguer and you know, maybe it's bouncing around on shorter
- 10:45Speaker 2: term deals but collecting nice money as a gold glove
- 10:50Speaker 2: center fielder who brings great speed and has you know,
- 10:53Speaker 2: you know, charisma and you know, good connections throughout the game.
- 10:57Speaker 2: But you know, his ceiling is kind of unlimited at
- 11:02Speaker 2: this point. And that's that's kind of the the not
- 11:07Speaker 2: even friction here. But that's just the forces at play
- 11:10Speaker 2: of why it hasn't happened. I think it's clear that
- 11:15Speaker 2: how it unfolded around the start of the season. It
- 11:18Speaker 2: was not you know, an Anthony Rizzo situation a couple
- 11:21Speaker 2: of years ago where he made it clear like I
- 11:22Speaker 2: don't want to continue this.
- 11:23Speaker 4: Discussion at all, don't bother.
- 11:26Speaker 2: This was more of a okay, each side understands where
- 11:29Speaker 2: the others coming from. There wasn't enough common ground at
- 11:32Speaker 2: that moment. Both sides are getting a lot more information,
- 11:38Speaker 2: and I do think if you look back at that
- 11:40Speaker 2: last great era of Cubs baseball, there was a frustration
- 11:46Speaker 2: or a they kind of paid the price for not
- 11:48Speaker 2: extending some of those guys. That's why they all kind
- 11:50Speaker 2: of came up together, came to the end at that
- 11:53Speaker 2: twenty twenty one trade deadline.
- 11:55Speaker 4: They got Rizzo done early.
- 11:57Speaker 2: They got Kyle Hendrickstone on the pitching side, how he
- 12:00Speaker 2: might have gotten done if not for the pandemic. But
- 12:04Speaker 2: at the ownership level within the front office, ideally they
- 12:08Speaker 2: would like to not see one of those cliffs again
- 12:11Speaker 2: and to have guys to build around and to have
- 12:13Speaker 2: waves of talent coming in after Pete.
- 12:17Speaker 6: Patrick, who's more important to this offense, sayas Azuki or
- 12:20Speaker 6: Kyle Tucker. Saya Azuki is having a heck of view,
- 12:23Speaker 6: he leads the league in RBI is right, and then
- 12:25Speaker 6: Kyle Tucker's come in and obviously changed the lineup completely.
- 12:28Speaker 6: But who's more important, Saya Azuki or Kyle Tucker.
- 12:33Speaker 4: I still think it's Tucker.
- 12:34Speaker 2: I mean Saya acknowledge this the other day that you
- 12:37Speaker 2: know through his interpreter that he's learned a lot from
- 12:40Speaker 2: watching Kyle Tucker, seeing how he makes adjustments, seeing how
- 12:45Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker is very steady, even Keel. I think hitting
- 12:53Speaker 2: in the middle of this lineup, in between you know Tucker,
- 12:56Speaker 2: you have Ian Happ setting the table, you have Pek
- 12:59Speaker 2: Armstrong a bush behind you.
- 13:01Speaker 4: It just kind of opens things up.
- 13:02Speaker 2: And I think say has learned to be more aggressive.
- 13:06Speaker 2: Part of that was just through experience, but Tucker is
- 13:09Speaker 2: a great example. There are times where Sayah was a
- 13:14Speaker 2: little too passive that like his physical abilities, the kind
- 13:20Speaker 2: of bat at ball data, it all just like didn't
- 13:22Speaker 2: add up, like there should should have been more in there.
- 13:25Speaker 2: And I think that's what you're seeing, And to me,
- 13:28Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker is a big, big part of that.
- 13:32Speaker 3: Patrick do you think that the Cubs would pay both
- 13:37Speaker 3: PCA and Kyle Tucker.
- 13:42Speaker 4: Uh, probably not.
- 13:43Speaker 2: And I don't even know, Like I just I think
- 13:47Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, we have no evidence to suggest that, Like
- 13:52Speaker 2: the Cubs are going to do that sort of deal
- 13:56Speaker 2: between Vladimir Guerrero and Juan Soto to make it come.
- 14:00Speaker 2: It meant, you know, a decade plus, they've never done
- 14:03Speaker 2: that before. I think, what you know, Pete, you know,
- 14:06Speaker 2: what would make sense for Pete is not unreasonable in
- 14:10Speaker 2: kind of the grand scheme of baseball economics.
- 14:15Speaker 4: Plus there's a lot of time.
- 14:17Speaker 2: I think Pete's under club control through twenty thirty, so
- 14:20Speaker 2: like you could make the prediction, and you have a lot.
- 14:22Speaker 4: Of chances to get that right.
- 14:25Speaker 2: I think with Tucker, you know, it's certainly a possibility,
- 14:30Speaker 2: it's just not the Cubs just have not That's not
- 14:33Speaker 2: their business plan thus far. And maybe Kyle Tucker is
- 14:36Speaker 2: the ultimate exception. Maybe this year goes so well, Maybe
- 14:40Speaker 2: there are other forces out there that his free agency
- 14:43Speaker 2: doesn't quite go the way we expect, But right now
- 14:47Speaker 2: I would certainly expect a Pete extension to be more
- 14:53Speaker 2: likely than a Kyle Tucker extension.
- 14:55Speaker 5: No, doubt, right, Patrick, Is this is this the Craig
- 14:59Speaker 5: Council contract coming to fruition the way the last five series,
- 15:04Speaker 5: this bullpen without Porter hadje without two big time starting
- 15:11Speaker 5: rotation pieces that alleviate some of the stress on the bullpen.
- 15:15Speaker 5: Is this the contract? This is what they paid Craig
- 15:18Speaker 5: Council to do because they kept watching it year in and
- 15:21Speaker 5: year out in Milwaukee.
- 15:24Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.
- 15:24Speaker 2: And I think that's part of why you look at
- 15:27Speaker 2: sort of the Cubs payroll over the years, and you know,
- 15:31Speaker 2: some of the frustrations of like why why can't the
- 15:35Speaker 2: Cubs do this when they you know, when they spend
- 15:37Speaker 2: more than Milwaukee in it. It's a lot more complicated
- 15:40Speaker 2: than that, but that was a big reason of why
- 15:42Speaker 2: they went out and made the very uncomfortable decision to
- 15:46Speaker 2: fire David Ross, who, did you know, a very good
- 15:49Speaker 2: job under the circumstances, who was building towards this.
- 15:54Speaker 5: Uh.
- 15:56Speaker 2: But yeah, counsel, is this, as you know, Eric, kind
- 15:59Speaker 2: of an extension another front office. Part of the checks
- 16:02Speaker 2: and balances with an organization council is certainly that force
- 16:08Speaker 2: of asking questions, of wondering, is there a different way
- 16:12Speaker 2: to do this? Of trusting in young talent, whether it's P.
- 16:16Speaker 2: Krow Armstrong or whether it's some of these guys. They
- 16:19Speaker 2: essentially got off the scrap heap, like the Cubs have
- 16:24Speaker 2: built up this pitching infrastructure over the years, and I
- 16:28Speaker 2: definitely think Counsel's sense of calm, his kind of common
- 16:33Speaker 2: sense approach, all of those things are coming together here.
- 16:39Speaker 2: I think people just thought there might have been it
- 16:43Speaker 2: would have shown up a little sooner, maybe last year.
- 16:45Speaker 2: I mean, eighty three wins under David Ross and Craig Counsel.
- 16:49Speaker 2: But this is what the Cubs have been building for
- 16:51Speaker 2: of getting a Kyle Tucker, seeing p. Crow Armstrong emerge,
- 16:55Speaker 2: and then just figuring out the pitching on a day
- 16:58Speaker 2: to day basis.
- 16:59Speaker 4: That does seem to be a strength of Greig Counsel.
- 17:04Speaker 4: It's one they're a big market team.
- 17:05Speaker 6: Go spend some money, okay, and don't give me so
- 17:07Speaker 6: Let's let's not act like we're a mid market team.
- 17:09Speaker 4: We're the Cubs.
- 17:10Speaker 6: Okay, go spend money. Have you have the McDonald's across
- 17:12Speaker 6: the street that make some billion dollars?
- 17:13Speaker 4: You have the hotel? Okay, let's stop with that. Okay.
- 17:16Speaker 6: I didn't get to even mention that, but let's go
- 17:18Speaker 6: out and spend the money you need to spend. Now, Poalencia,
- 17:20Speaker 6: is he the closer?
- 17:22Speaker 4: You're right? Yeah, no, no doubt.
- 17:24Speaker 6: Is Polencia the closer going forward? I know Porter hodges
- 17:29Speaker 6: out and uh there's been struggles with other guys, but
- 17:33Speaker 6: is he going to be the closer? You think of
- 17:34Speaker 6: the future, not only this year, but going forward.
- 17:38Speaker 2: I think council being counseled, they'll still they could still
- 17:42Speaker 2: do some matching up, like if there are certain you know,
- 17:46Speaker 2: to use the manager speak, like certain pockets of the
- 17:49Speaker 2: lineup that they want to feature a different picture. I
- 17:52Speaker 2: could see that. But Polentcia, no doubt, has shown a
- 17:58Speaker 2: lot here of just he's got that you know, crazy
- 18:02Speaker 2: high end velocity that this bullpen had been kind of lacking.
- 18:06Speaker 4: It's the swing and this stuff.
- 18:08Speaker 2: He's really grown up and needed time to become comfortable
- 18:13Speaker 2: at this level. You're seeing that. I do think you
- 18:17Speaker 2: guys know it's different. You know those last three outs,
- 18:21Speaker 2: and thus far he's passed the test. I mean, granted
- 18:25Speaker 2: it might have been the worst. You know, he might
- 18:26Speaker 2: have been facing the worst team of all time. In
- 18:29Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five Colorado Rockies, but no doubt a
- 18:34Speaker 2: guy that they trust has earned the opportunity. And this
- 18:41Speaker 2: is the council effect that Eric talked about, pumping confidence
- 18:45Speaker 2: into these young pitchers, not overreacting, and also managing with
- 18:50Speaker 2: the long season in mind. Like he's not a guy
- 18:53Speaker 2: that's has a history of wearing out relievers. He tries
- 18:57Speaker 2: to find spots to rest guys really kind of use
- 19:01Speaker 2: it as one kind of cohesive unit.
- 19:04Speaker 4: So I would certainly see like Plancy is one of those.
- 19:07Speaker 2: As counsel would say, you need good surprises for like
- 19:10Speaker 2: good seasons to happen, and he is certainly one of those.
- 19:13Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe no surprise to anybody. Patrick. The Cubs with
- 19:16Speaker 3: the lead in the division, a three game lead, eight
- 19:18Speaker 3: and two in their last ten. They take on the
- 19:20Speaker 3: Cincinnati Reds beginning tomorrow. Patrick, we appreciate you taking the
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- 21:09Speaker 3: series win. If the Yankees win, I donate to a
- 21:12Speaker 3: charity of your choice fifty bucks. If the Dodgers win,
- 21:15Speaker 3: you donate fifty bucks to my charity. Is that fair?
- 21:19Speaker 1: Let's do it.
- 21:20Speaker 3: Let's do it. Let's do it for the pops, all right.
- 21:22Speaker 3: I've been the first to say I don't think we're
- 21:24Speaker 3: talking about the Yankees enough, Derek. This is a team
- 21:27Speaker 3: that has a seven game leading the division, the largest
- 21:29Speaker 3: division lead. Aj S piss because he can't hear us,
- 21:31Speaker 3: or we can't hear him. Probably Yankees. We always give
- 21:36Speaker 3: Cashman grief. Let's give him some praise. What's making them
- 21:39Speaker 3: feel good? And kind of running away with things?
- 21:42Speaker 1: You know, Plan B has turned out to be an
- 21:45Speaker 1: a plus. I mean, the plan was to sign Juan
- 21:48Speaker 1: Soto and to probably do something similar like they did
- 21:51Speaker 1: last year with Judge and Center, Soto and Wright. They
- 21:55Speaker 1: you know, spent that money elsewhere. Obviously, Paul Goldschmith sitting
- 21:58Speaker 1: in about three fifties on pace for I believe about
- 22:00Speaker 1: two hundred hits. Max Freed is pitching like a Cy
- 22:03Speaker 1: Young Award winner, and I mean Bellinger has really turned
- 22:07Speaker 1: it on lately, so right now, the backup plan has
- 22:11Speaker 1: made the Yankees, in my opinion, a much more well
- 22:14Speaker 1: rounded team than the one that you guys spent all
- 22:17Speaker 1: winter dunking on for not being fundamentally sound and all
- 22:20Speaker 1: the problems we had in the World Series. I think
- 22:23Speaker 1: you should be prepared for a much tighter baseball team
- 22:27Speaker 1: and a much better base running team and a much
- 22:29Speaker 1: better contact hitting team as we approach this weekend.
- 22:34Speaker 5: Wait, so you're saying Cashman did a good job? Is
- 22:38Speaker 5: that what I heard you say?
- 22:40Speaker 1: I know, I mean that sound you hear is the
- 22:42Speaker 1: four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Just you know, hell freezing over.
- 22:46Speaker 1: That crackling noise is me admitting that Cashman did a
- 22:49Speaker 1: fantastic job. And by the way, I love the mustache.
- 22:53Speaker 1: You got that feel of like the nineteen seventies rockin'.
- 22:57Speaker 1: I love it. I mean that suits you, man.
- 23:00Speaker 5: I appreciate that you're not the first person to acknowledge
- 23:03Speaker 5: that I wasn't good looking before the mustache, And really
- 23:07Speaker 5: it's not hurting anything that was going on. But so
- 23:10Speaker 5: cash Cashman's moves. Obviously he took all that money that
- 23:14Speaker 5: he wasn't gonna spend on Wan and he put it elsewhere.
- 23:17Speaker 5: So does this mean the next time Wan comes back
- 23:19Speaker 5: to the Bronx he gets cheered because the Booze were
- 23:23Speaker 5: kind of eyewashed because they didn't want him back. Look
- 23:26Speaker 5: at what they got in place of them.
- 23:29Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of Yankees fans still view him,
- 23:32Speaker 1: regardless of what happened afterwards, as being kind of a
- 23:36Speaker 1: turncoat for going to our city rival for really a
- 23:41Speaker 1: small amount of money in the grand scheme of things,
- 23:43Speaker 1: over what the Yankees offered. I believe it's five million,
- 23:46Speaker 1: but one less year so I'll hire aav and saying
- 23:51Speaker 1: it was a Mets town. I think that was what
- 23:53Speaker 1: really set fans off, and I don't think that they'll
- 23:55Speaker 1: ever stop booing him just for that. I mean, Jesus,
- 24:00Speaker 1: Rice could come back from wherever he is and say
- 24:03Speaker 1: it's a Mets town, and he would get booed at
- 24:05Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. It doesn't matter who says it's a Mets town,
- 24:09Speaker 1: they're getting booed and and Soto. I'm sorry, you know exception, Derek.
- 24:14Speaker 6: Can I just say this first of all? Can we
- 24:16Speaker 6: bring on a lawna at the same time a lana?
- 24:19Speaker 4: You work?
- 24:20Speaker 6: You love the Dodgers, Okay, they have a pretty high payroll.
- 24:23Speaker 6: You also work for the Red Sox. They have a
- 24:25Speaker 6: lot of money. They're kind of like the Cubs.
- 24:27Speaker 4: They play cheap.
- 24:28Speaker 6: Okay, Derek, you root for the Yankees.
- 24:31Speaker 4: You do a show about the Yankees. You guys are
- 24:33Speaker 4: big markets. Fifty dollars, fifty dollars, that's where're going. Fifty
- 24:37Speaker 4: dollars wager?
- 24:38Speaker 1: Can we do one hundred?
- 24:40Speaker 3: I mean I don't have I don't have big league
- 24:43Speaker 3: money like you do, Pierzinski, with your Toro toilets and
- 24:47Speaker 3: all of the crap that you have in your house
- 24:49Speaker 3: and all of these things. I'm happy to do one hundred.
- 24:52Speaker 3: I just didn't want to assume that Derek wanted to
- 24:55Speaker 3: do that. I don't even know what his charity of
- 24:58Speaker 3: choice is. Mine is my my own charity. My own nonprofits,
- 25:01Speaker 3: so I didn't want to be assumptive, if you will.
- 25:04Speaker 1: So honestly, Alana, it's gonna be the true dogs versus
- 25:07Speaker 1: cats because I'm a cat charity guy, so it's really
- 25:10Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna be helping animals either way, So no
- 25:13Speaker 1: matter who wins, and I'm happy to do one hundred
- 25:15Speaker 1: dollars because I don't think that the Dodgers are going
- 25:17Speaker 1: to win.
- 25:18Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, now here is the bet we're shaking, all right?
- 25:24Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's perfect. Are they buyers at the
- 25:28Speaker 3: trade deadline? Derek Lewandowski? This squad is obviously headed towards
- 25:32Speaker 3: the postseason. What's their biggest need?
- 25:34Speaker 4: You know?
- 25:35Speaker 1: Obviously third base has been kind of a shuffle. It
- 25:38Speaker 1: would be nice if there was somebody out there, but
- 25:39Speaker 1: I don't see an obvious fit. Every team needs pitching,
- 25:43Speaker 1: you know, a starting pitcher would be nice, but I'm
- 25:45Speaker 1: not sure who you're gonna get that's better than what
- 25:47Speaker 1: they've got. Will Warren has been fantastic over his last month. Uh.
- 25:52Speaker 1: He has a two point five e RA. As I mentioned,
- 25:56Speaker 1: Max Freed and Carlos Rodond both dominating Rodond six and
- 25:59Speaker 1: oh in his last eight appearances with a one point
- 26:02Speaker 1: twenty seven max Freed is insane, and you got Clark
- 26:05Speaker 1: Schmidt as a potential piece to that playoff rotation. You
- 26:08Speaker 1: only need four starters in the rotation, so if you
- 26:11Speaker 1: go out and get a starter, you're probably getting a
- 26:13Speaker 1: depth piece because I don't know who's better than those guys.
- 26:15Speaker 1: And you got Luis Heo coming back from injury. We'll
- 26:17Speaker 1: see what he can do. I hope he's strong, but
- 26:20Speaker 1: coming back from an injury, you never know. So I
- 26:23Speaker 1: would say third base would be the spot, but again,
- 26:26Speaker 1: I'm not sure who they could go out and get.
- 26:28Speaker 1: That is a real upgrade. So if I'm Brian Cashman,
- 26:32Speaker 1: I'm looking at the bullpen, I want to strengthen the bullpen.
- 26:34Speaker 1: I'm looking at teams that have fallen out of it.
- 26:36Speaker 1: Then maybe have an arm that gives you a funky look.
- 26:39Speaker 1: Maybe somebody you don't even need, somebody who has insane numbers,
- 26:43Speaker 1: just somebody who's a different look, maybe misses some bats,
- 26:46Speaker 1: can get some of those middle inning outs, because right
- 26:48Speaker 1: now the Yankees are a little bit thin in the bullpen,
- 26:50Speaker 1: despite the stats for the bullpen being pretty good. I
- 26:55Speaker 1: don't know if the Orioles would make Felix Bautista available
- 26:58Speaker 1: if they really fall out of it, But that would
- 27:00Speaker 1: be the guy that if I'm cashman, I'm willing to
- 27:02Speaker 1: overpay a little bit, even though it's kind of an
- 27:04Speaker 1: indivision trade. They have done that before with Zach Britton.
- 27:06Speaker 1: That's the guy I've been promoting on my trade, Cashman,
- 27:09Speaker 1: go do it.
- 27:10Speaker 3: Yeah, Felix Batista. The Orioles are out of it. They've
- 27:13Speaker 3: not fallen. If they fall out of it, they're falling
- 27:15Speaker 3: out of it, all right. What about judgism though, Derek
- 27:17Speaker 3: saying that he's willing to play third Are you are
- 27:20Speaker 3: you buying that?
- 27:21Speaker 1: I do buy it. You know, We've got Dj Lemayhew back,
- 27:24Speaker 1: and he's looked really good defensively at second base and
- 27:27Speaker 1: he's a Gold Glover, but he still isn't hitting very much.
- 27:30Speaker 1: I think his swing has looked better than it did
- 27:33Speaker 1: last year when his legs were clearly not under him.
- 27:36Speaker 1: We've seen him drive the ball with more authority, but
- 27:38Speaker 1: it hasn't translated into a lot of stats yet. Over
- 27:42Speaker 1: the next week, I guess we'll find out what Dj
- 27:45Speaker 1: Lemayhew can do. As we approach Jazz's return. As long
- 27:50Speaker 1: as Jazz is in the lineup, I don't really care
- 27:52Speaker 1: where he plays second base and third base. He looked
- 27:54Speaker 1: good to me both both spots. I want him to
- 27:57Speaker 1: hit a little bit better than he was right before
- 27:59Speaker 1: he got injured. He hit all these home runs coming
- 28:01Speaker 1: out of the gate with the torpedo bat, and I
- 28:03Speaker 1: think he got it into his mind. You know, he
- 28:05Speaker 1: had this friendly wager with Aaron Judge about who would
- 28:08Speaker 1: hit a more combined home runs and stolen bases. How
- 28:12Speaker 1: about who gets on base? How about who sets the table.
- 28:14Speaker 1: That's what I want from Jazz jais and when he
- 28:16Speaker 1: comes back DJ, I'm comfortable with him at either second
- 28:19Speaker 1: or third base if he hits so I don't think
- 28:21Speaker 1: I think it's you know, six and one half dozen
- 28:23Speaker 1: of the other. But it is good to have Jazz
- 28:25Speaker 1: coming back because he does disrupt the pitcher when he's
- 28:28Speaker 1: on base. If he can get on base.
- 28:31Speaker 5: I feel like Carlos Rodin anytime Cole is out has
- 28:34Speaker 5: stepped up for this. Oh yeah, name do you feel
- 28:37Speaker 5: like he's going to surpass Max Freed at some point
- 28:42Speaker 5: this year? Max obviously coming in with a new contract,
- 28:45Speaker 5: and everybody has a stinker here and there. Max hasn't yet.
- 28:50Speaker 5: Is there a chance that Rodin's trajectory that he's I
- 28:53Speaker 5: think it's his last eight starts, he's been like career
- 28:56Speaker 5: best eight starts. Does he pass Max Freed as the
- 29:01Speaker 5: number one in this rotation?
- 29:04Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I mean, he has looked tremendous
- 29:07Speaker 1: and you don't see guys rebound the way that Carlos
- 29:10Speaker 1: Rodin has. When he first got to the Yankees, you know,
- 29:13Speaker 1: he had problems not only with his health, he had
- 29:16Speaker 1: a back injury that kind of limited him that first year.
- 29:18Speaker 1: Gave up a ton of home runs. He had two
- 29:20Speaker 1: games where he gave up eight runs in the first inning.
- 29:22Speaker 1: There was a game where Matt Blake, the pitching coach,
- 29:24Speaker 1: came out to the mound and Carlos turned his back.
- 29:27Speaker 1: He had the blow and the kiss incident on you know,
- 29:29Speaker 1: on the road to some Yankees fans. But last year
- 29:33Speaker 1: he committed himself. He got into better shape. I think
- 29:35Speaker 1: he got to a better place mentally. He had two
- 29:37Speaker 1: really great stretches that kind of sandwiched a bad stretch.
- 29:41Speaker 1: This year. He got out of the gate kind of
- 29:43Speaker 1: rough with the three run home run ball, you know
- 29:45Speaker 1: in I think three of his first four starts and
- 29:48Speaker 1: then it's like he just flipped the switch and he's
- 29:51Speaker 1: been lights out. I don't know if he's going to
- 29:54Speaker 1: pass Max Freed at this point. I don't think that
- 29:56Speaker 1: really matters. You know, when the playoffs rolled around, I
- 29:59Speaker 1: think they'll go with, you know, whoever they feel is
- 30:01Speaker 1: the better fit for that matchup. But I just want
- 30:06Speaker 1: to say, whatever Carlos Rodin has done to a just
- 30:10Speaker 1: is commendable, not only in terms of his pitching, but
- 30:13Speaker 1: his physical fitness. He's lost a lot of weight. He's
- 30:16Speaker 1: pitching with more confidence. I wonder if the beard has
- 30:18Speaker 1: something to do with that. He just looks like the
- 30:20Speaker 1: serial killer that we saw with you know, the White
- 30:23Speaker 1: Sox and the Giants, much more so than we saw
- 30:25Speaker 1: the last two seasons with the Yankees.
- 30:28Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, the facial hair is definitely what's going
- 30:30Speaker 5: to bring the World Series trophy. But here's my question.
- 30:36Speaker 5: The Wan Soto trade is still paying dividends for the Yankees.
- 30:40Speaker 5: Trent Grisham has been otherworldly, kind of falling off a
- 30:45Speaker 5: tick now, but does he continue to play well enough
- 30:51Speaker 5: that your Boo Jay som Domingez loses playing time when
- 30:58Speaker 5: there's a situation where they have to choose between the
- 31:00Speaker 5: two of them, or are there paths crossing here where
- 31:04Speaker 5: Domingos is going up and Grisson's coming down.
- 31:08Speaker 1: I think that Grisham is reverting to the mean a
- 31:11Speaker 1: little bit, regressing to the mean. I mean, he's not
- 31:13Speaker 1: a guy who's ever hit three hundred in his career.
- 31:16Speaker 1: So when he was hitting three hundred for the first
- 31:17Speaker 1: month and a half, with you know, a home run
- 31:19Speaker 1: every other day, you knew that it just was not sustainable.
- 31:23Speaker 1: He has made some adjustments to his stance. He's getting
- 31:25Speaker 1: his hands a little bit further away. It looks like
- 31:28Speaker 1: maybe either his timing is a little bit off right
- 31:30Speaker 1: now or the league has kind of adjusted kind of
- 31:32Speaker 1: getting in under those hands a little bit more. He's
- 31:35Speaker 1: struggling a little bit with the down in and breaking ball,
- 31:37Speaker 1: which is something he was really doing a good job
- 31:39Speaker 1: hitting early on in the season, Jason, you know, until
- 31:43Speaker 1: he hits left handed pitching a little bit better, I
- 31:47Speaker 1: think he's at risk of losing a little bit of
- 31:48Speaker 1: playing time. That's one great thing about switch hitters in
- 31:51Speaker 1: general is you can just plug them in any given
- 31:53Speaker 1: day because it doesn't matter who's on the male, lefty, righty,
- 31:56Speaker 1: but he's really really struggled from the right side. But
- 31:58Speaker 1: from the left side, he's got about an eight fifty ops.
- 32:01Speaker 1: He had the three home run game where two of
- 32:02Speaker 1: the home runs were from the left side. He recently
- 32:05Speaker 1: had that walkoff Grand Slam. He was the only player,
- 32:09Speaker 1: I think in Major League history to have a three
- 32:10Speaker 1: home run game, a Grand Slam, and a walkoff in
- 32:13Speaker 1: the same month. And he did it as a twenty
- 32:15Speaker 1: two year old rookie. I do think to a certain extent,
- 32:19Speaker 1: they are passing cross or crossing paths rather. I think Dimingez,
- 32:24Speaker 1: while he got off to kind of a little bit
- 32:26Speaker 1: of a slow start in whose major league career, is
- 32:28Speaker 1: starting to show that potential and starting to transform it
- 32:32Speaker 1: into stats a little bit. And look, he's an excellent
- 32:36Speaker 1: base runner too. He gives you more than just you know,
- 32:38Speaker 1: the offensive numbers, the power. He's a great base runner.
- 32:42Speaker 1: And we know how important that is. We saw it
- 32:44Speaker 1: last year. Base running costs him in a lot of situations.
- 32:47Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how many times this year
- 32:48Speaker 1: I've said, man, that was a great That was a
- 32:50Speaker 1: great read by Domingez on the bases or wow, I
- 32:52Speaker 1: didn't think he'd score from first on that double, But
- 32:54Speaker 1: the guy can cook on the basis, Derek, Before.
- 32:58Speaker 3: We let you go, I want to ask you this
- 32:59Speaker 3: question legitimately. Do you believe the Yankees are back in
- 33:03Speaker 3: the World Series or do you worry that the Tigers
- 33:06Speaker 3: will surpass them getting to the you know, the Winter Classic,
- 33:10Speaker 3: Winter Classic like in hockey.
- 33:14Speaker 1: Well, I do worry about the Tigers. I think the
- 33:16Speaker 1: Tigers are probably right now the toughest team in the
- 33:21Speaker 1: American League. In Tarik's school. I don't know if you
- 33:24Speaker 1: guys saw his last outing. I happen to be watching
- 33:27Speaker 1: that game live, and it was one of the best
- 33:30Speaker 1: games I've ever seen pitched. I mean, it was up
- 33:32Speaker 1: there with Carrie Wood in his twenty strikeout game in
- 33:34Speaker 1: just terms of stuff, the best stuff I've ever seen live.
- 33:39Speaker 1: You're talking about one hundred and two and in the
- 33:40Speaker 1: ninth inning from a lefty. I can't see beating him
- 33:43Speaker 1: twice in a short game series. Now, if you get
- 33:46Speaker 1: to a seven game series, I think anything can happen,
- 33:49Speaker 1: and a lot of it depends on who has home
- 33:51Speaker 1: field advantage. I would rather not play, you know, four
- 33:55Speaker 1: games in Detroit, that would you know, we've seen that
- 34:00Speaker 1: match up well for the Yankees back in I believe
- 34:02Speaker 1: it was two thousand and six and again in twenty twelve. Look,
- 34:07Speaker 1: the Tigers are are no joke, and I think you
- 34:10Speaker 1: just gotta, you know, let this thing play out, and
- 34:13Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where everybody is at the end
- 34:14Speaker 1: of the year.
- 34:16Speaker 5: One of the questions we had earlier, what we're more
- 34:18Speaker 5: surprised about the Mariners start, or are the location where
- 34:22Speaker 5: the Mariners are in the West or the Yankees are
- 34:24Speaker 5: in the East? Is the American League East, not the Beast.
- 34:29Speaker 5: It's more the American League least this year. Or is
- 34:32Speaker 5: it just a is it just a little bit of
- 34:35Speaker 5: a slowdown in waiting for all the other teams to
- 34:39Speaker 5: start to get hot.
- 34:40Speaker 1: Well, what really surprises me is how the Orioles have
- 34:44Speaker 1: fallen off. I mean, I thought they were going to
- 34:46Speaker 1: be top of the division for a decade when they
- 34:48Speaker 1: won one hundred games a couple of years ago. Their
- 34:51Speaker 1: pitching has fallen off, their hitting hasn't developed like we
- 34:54Speaker 1: thought it would. You know, the Blue Jays always seemed
- 34:57Speaker 1: to be a team that hovers around five hundred, and
- 34:59Speaker 1: you keep waiting for them to take that next step,
- 35:01Speaker 1: and they just haven't. The Red Sox were a team
- 35:03Speaker 1: that everybody was very high on this year because of
- 35:05Speaker 1: their young talent, but right now they're under five hundred
- 35:08Speaker 1: and they just lost Bragman. You know, the Rays are
- 35:11Speaker 1: always tough, but I don't think that they have what
- 35:13Speaker 1: it takes in terms of just talent on their roster
- 35:16Speaker 1: right now to overcome the Yankees. So I've been saying
- 35:19Speaker 1: the Yankees need to seize this opportunity where they're playing well,
- 35:21Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons why this weekend is
- 35:23Speaker 1: so important. To run away and hide, you know, get
- 35:26Speaker 1: a twelve or thirteen game lead in the division, and
- 35:30Speaker 1: then maybe you can rest some guys down the stretch.
- 35:32Speaker 1: You can maybe take it easy a little bit with Luis.
- 35:34Speaker 1: He'll not rush him back and have him be at
- 35:35Speaker 1: full strength coming into the postseason. Maybe you don't have
- 35:38Speaker 1: to be as desperate at the trade deadline and trade
- 35:41Speaker 1: your top prospect. But you know, the Mariners, obviously we
- 35:47Speaker 1: faced them a couple of weeks ago. They played three
- 35:49Speaker 1: very tough games against the Yankees. They've obviously got good pitching.
- 35:51Speaker 1: They're hitting has been better this year. You know, the
- 35:54Speaker 1: n West is always tough. The Astros probably are going
- 35:58Speaker 1: to contend with them all year long. But I do
- 36:01Speaker 1: think that in terms of the division strength, the East
- 36:04Speaker 1: is probably the least competitive. I mean, you look at
- 36:07Speaker 1: the Central you got four teams legitimately who could be
- 36:10Speaker 1: in the playoffs right now the A at least it
- 36:13Speaker 1: looks like it's Yankees and maybe one other is going
- 36:16Speaker 1: to compete.
- 36:18Speaker 3: Derek, What is over your right shoulder? What are all
- 36:21Speaker 3: those things over your right shoulder? They look like CDs? No, no, no,
- 36:27Speaker 3: all the way towards the wall. Towards the wall.
- 36:31Speaker 1: So I have a Blu Ray collection. I'm a big
- 36:33Speaker 1: movie collector, and I'm a very smart investor too, So
- 36:36Speaker 1: over the years I've invested thousands and thousands of dollars
- 36:38Speaker 1: in physical media, which I don't use anymore. So, you know,
- 36:43Speaker 1: so you know, I might have to sell a few
- 36:45Speaker 1: of them to pay off this bed. If the Yankees don't,
- 36:48Speaker 1: don't don't come through for me one.
- 36:50Speaker 3: Hundred dollars to Guidry's Guardian Foundation after the Dodgers take
- 36:55Speaker 3: the Yankees at Dodger Stadium. Derek, we appreciate you very much.
- 36:58Speaker 3: Thank you. So much for your time and don't forge guys.
- 37:00Speaker 3: You can check out Derek on pinstripe Territory. He does
- 37:03Speaker 3: a tremendous job wherever you get your podcast check him
- 37:07Speaker 3: out on YouTube as well. We'll be right back with
- 37:09Speaker 3: hot Corner