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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Super Bowl Week Preview: Darnold From Bust To Top Ten QB, Seahawks Valuation Too Low, Vikings Fire GM, Kubiak Will Succeed · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 2: NFL scout his name is John middlcoff. Let's chop it
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Speaker 2: up for forty five minutes to an hour. We didn't
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Speaker 2: do our usual Sunday. He's got a new baby and
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Speaker 2: I have a life. You know, that's just the way
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Speaker 2: it works. It was so funny. I got in, you know,
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Speaker 2: I flew and I watched you know, Lakers Nicks, but
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Speaker 2: it was so weird, Like even doing today's show, I
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Speaker 2: was just like wow, it just felt totally like lifeless.
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Speaker 2: There was no energy. So I you know, I was
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Speaker 2: telling people about the GM for the Vikings got whacked.
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Speaker 2: And one of my topics today, John is that you
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Speaker 2: can make a lot of mistakes as a GM. Ryan
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Speaker 2: Grigson is rare where he got the quarterback right, struggled
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Speaker 2: with some other picks, and in the end got whacked.
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Speaker 2: Usually if you get the quarterback right, I mean Joe Douglas,
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Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Rookie of the Year, multiple good
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Speaker 2: draft picks, whifted on Zach Wilson, It's easy to run
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Speaker 2: him out of the building. Brandon Bean got a job promotion,
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Speaker 2: and you know he's hit on Dion Dawkins and Josh Allen.
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Speaker 2: But I was reading reasons why this GM got fired.
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Speaker 2: One of the ones that was interesting and I want
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Speaker 2: to address is he took two weeks off in a
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Speaker 2: busy time of the year for you know, new baby
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Speaker 2: in the family, and that his work life balance, like
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Speaker 2: he had a life, and my take was, well, that's good,
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Speaker 2: but it did it potentially create animosity. You know, people
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Speaker 2: sniping behind your back because you don't go to college
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Speaker 2: John to be a GM. These are gold bar jobs.
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Speaker 2: And when you get GM jobs and get fired, get
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Speaker 2: you get maybe one more chance to be a GM.
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Speaker 2: Maybe when you read the story about the firing, what
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Speaker 2: was your take on If I said two reasons why
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Speaker 2: it happened, what would they be.
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Speaker 1: I think the two things are pretty clear. Couldn't figure
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Speaker 1: out how to get along and gain the respect of
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff, and he has a coach that, as
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Speaker 1: we found out last year, if it would have became
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Speaker 1: available for trade, teams were been lined up to trade
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Speaker 1: for Kevin O'Connell. There were reports as well Brian Flores
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Speaker 1: held out to not re sign because he was uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: with the front office aka the GM, and then he
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Speaker 1: drafted extremely terrible. I mean the paternity thing that did
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Speaker 1: happen years ago. He got extended after the fact. So
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Speaker 1: two things can be true. I think people look at
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Speaker 1: that and go in this league, Sean McVay had a
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Speaker 1: child on a Sunday night. He had a Thursday night
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Speaker 1: game and he coached three days later. Kevin O'Connell has
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Speaker 1: multiple kids. He's I'm sure no one says you can't
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Speaker 1: see the birth of your child, but during cutdown, if
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Speaker 1: you're just working remotely like, I'm sorry, this isn't well Fargo.
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Speaker 1: You know this is Kevin O'Connell, young coach kind of
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Speaker 1: needs your help there. You think John Schneider and Howie
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Speaker 1: Rosebenon a't showing up the office they have children like
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Speaker 1: it's so, I think it's more that the coaching staff
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Speaker 1: after that moment, because coaches and players aren't. They don't
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Speaker 1: skip games for children. Last time I check, a lot
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Speaker 1: of players and coaches have kids. So how could I
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Speaker 1: ever look at you the same if you go, are
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Speaker 1: we really in the bunker together? Or do you look
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Speaker 1: at this a little differently than I do? If I'm
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Speaker 1: Kevin o'coff Yeah, because to me, there's no other way
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Speaker 1: around it that quesc does not get fired if Kevin
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Speaker 1: O'Connell likes him and wants them to stay that simple,
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Speaker 1: because there's not. This isn't a Josh Allen or Patrick
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Speaker 1: Mahome situation where they have some star quarterback. They have
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Speaker 1: a star coach. So if he wanted them, he would
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Speaker 1: still be there, which clearly they fell out of favor.
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Speaker 1: And part of as a GM. You see the story
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Speaker 1: VIC fans. You know a couple of weeks ago went
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Speaker 1: into the room like, Howie, I'm done. How we go
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Speaker 1: into complete sales mode and they made sure he kept them.
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Speaker 1: Part of your job is a GM, and a major
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Speaker 1: job is dealing with the coaches, specifically the head coach,
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Speaker 1: your coordinators, both of them. Brand Flora's now makes six
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Speaker 1: million dollars a year to be their defensive coordinator, So
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Speaker 1: you're managing them as well as your owners, and then
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Speaker 1: picking the players. And let's face it, like thinking outside
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Speaker 1: the box. This kind of bothers me. You get credit
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Speaker 1: just because you like think outside the box. Well, it's
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Speaker 1: like Bob Myers was an outside the box fire was he?
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Speaker 1: He played basketball for great UCLA teams. He then managed
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Speaker 1: NBA players for a decade plus and transitioned into the
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Speaker 1: front office kind of like I was a chef. Then
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Speaker 1: I ran the restaurant kind of all under the same
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Speaker 1: umbrella working When I first moved back to San Francisco,
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Speaker 1: when I was the West Coast scout, I lived with
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Speaker 1: a buddy named Bobby. He had played baseball at Brown
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Speaker 1: in the IVS and was working at the VC Hedge Fund.
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Speaker 1: His life was not acquiring human capital as buying buildings.
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Speaker 1: It was buying business. It was widgets, it was just numbers.
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Speaker 1: Football's human capital. And clearly QUETSI struggled with acquiring human capital,
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Speaker 1: which is way different than Wall Street. That was just
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Speaker 1: purchasing Excel spreadsheets, which is challenging as well. But how
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Speaker 1: many major companies in America Pasco, Apple, you can. They're
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Speaker 1: not driven on humans. They're driven on whatever the product
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Speaker 1: is right or whatever their service is. So football is
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Speaker 1: very unique. It's just what's the what's the business worth
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Speaker 1: one hundred two hundred billion dollars? It's all their product
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Speaker 1: is all these human beings. So it's you know, I
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Speaker 1: think that they thought outside the box and it it
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Speaker 1: backfired clearly because his drafts. Do you see some I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you talked about today on the show relative just
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Speaker 1: his own division like he was getting laughed it. Honestly, Colin,
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Speaker 1: it couldn't have gotten much worse separate from the quarterback situation.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I mean it was one of those
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Speaker 2: things where it's one thing to let Darnald and Daniel
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Speaker 2: Jones go it's another It sounded like Aaron Rodgers was
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Speaker 2: more interested in the Vikings. And you know, I've said
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Speaker 2: for years, John, and I've told managers that I've worked
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Speaker 2: with at ESPN and Fox. The only thing, the only
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Speaker 2: criticism I've really ever had with any boss I've ever had,
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Speaker 2: I don't currently have this problem. The person over the
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Speaker 2: last ten years that did this regularly is no longer
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Speaker 2: employed in my business. But when you make decisions that
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Speaker 2: are just validating your previous choices, and so could I
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Speaker 2: argue this that the GM really liked JJ McCarthy and
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Speaker 2: in the end to validate that draft pick that they
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Speaker 2: didn't go with Aaron Rodgers or Darnold. Is it possible
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Speaker 2: or do you think Kevin O'Connell loved McCarthy Because I
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Speaker 2: think Kevin O'Connell knows quarterbacks. JJ McCarthy was the only
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Speaker 2: quarterback in that class that I didn't like.
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Speaker 1: I liked everybody.
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Speaker 2: If I can see that, then Kevin O'Connell can certainly
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Speaker 2: see that. So I guess my take is was part
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Speaker 2: of the rub. Do you think Kevin O'Connell and the
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Speaker 2: general manager saw JJ McCarthy.
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Speaker 1: Equally, I have a hard time that the GM got
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Speaker 1: extended after they had drafted this without Kevin O'Connell being
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Speaker 1: on board with JJ. Like I also have a hard
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Speaker 1: time thinking a general manager would draft a quarterback that
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Speaker 1: his coach was on the fence in different about now.
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Speaker 1: You could also argue they were pretty desperate, right, I
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Speaker 1: mean they were, And that's when you make pretty poor
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Speaker 1: decisions the Colts Anthony richardson the forty nine ers Tree Lance,
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Speaker 1: you put yourself in desperate quarterback positions, when do you
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Speaker 1: make your best decisions? Like, no one saw the Chiefs
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Speaker 1: trade enough to get Patrick Mahomes. It's because you have
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Speaker 1: conviction on the player. It's pretty well documented they wanted
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Speaker 1: Drake May, but a lot of people wanted to Andrew Luck.
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Speaker 1: He was never available, so it's like, yeah, man, you
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Speaker 1: wanted the guy that everyone liked. The JJ McCarthy thing
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Speaker 1: is has potential to just derail this organization because even
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Speaker 1: like what's Kevin O'Connell's move this offseason, Like who trade
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Speaker 1: for Mac Jones? Well, what are you gonna trade for him?
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Speaker 1: Because the forty Niners aren't just gonna give to you?
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Speaker 1: And it is he really solving your problems the way
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Speaker 1: that Kyle plays a lot different Kevin Ocle. I'm just
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Speaker 1: throwing out Mac because I who are the who are
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Speaker 1: the options? Daniel Jones maybe back Malik Willis, like, you
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Speaker 1: don't really have that many options to fix this situation.
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Speaker 1: You saw justin Jefferson's quotes today. But yeah, probably would
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Speaker 1: have been different. It would have been we would have
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Speaker 1: been better with Sam Darmold, so you you can talk
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Speaker 1: about the process was correct and they wanted it. I'd
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Speaker 1: be a little stunned if questing went over Kevin O'Connell's head.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Kevin O'Connell talked himself into it. I think that
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Speaker 1: happens a lot when coaches are desperate. But anytime do
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Speaker 1: you acquire a quarterback that high and you have to
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Speaker 1: change his mechanics, like it's oh, that's You could argue
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Speaker 1: that this thing is we have enough evidence now in
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Speaker 1: recent memory like this thing's not. This thing's over before.
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Speaker 2: It even started. Listen. I Jason McIntyre came on my
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Speaker 2: show one day and he was talking up JJ McCarthy,
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Speaker 2: and I had a source of mine in the league said,
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Speaker 2: tell your boy, Jason macandyre this Viking JJ McCarthy thing.
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Speaker 2: They're hiding a lot of information. He's lost confidence. They
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Speaker 2: don't trust him physically. They liked the kid, but it
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Speaker 2: was somebody who has been a impeachable source for me
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Speaker 2: and he was listening to the show. He said, you're
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Speaker 2: on the right track on this, like this is going
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Speaker 2: to unravel pretty high percentage. I would bet it's going
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Speaker 2: to unravel. So that just leads me to believe once
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Speaker 2: you make you give up multiple picks in the first
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Speaker 2: round to get a cornerback, we just see the end result.
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Speaker 2: But I think there probably has been strained between the
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Speaker 2: coach and the GM. Probably for you, I.
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Speaker 1: Think you go back to that paternity thing once. I
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Speaker 1: think you're not all in with me, and I can't
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Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, Lesson Sean were
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Speaker 1: extended today, right, Like those guys have been in the
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Speaker 1: boat rowing the same direction for a long long time.
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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the healthiest partnerships,
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Speaker 1: there is like a respect level of we're in this
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Speaker 1: thing to get the ship goes down. We're arm in arm.
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Speaker 1: I know you're grinding. I know when you're not around,
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Speaker 1: you're at some college game. You know, that you know
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Speaker 1: how much I work, How could I look at you
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Speaker 1: the same? Knowing that during the cutdown my first year
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Speaker 1: in the league, I slept at the office for two
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Speaker 1: nights during that period. It is the craziest time. And
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Speaker 1: it's even crazier now because there's more guys in the league.
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Speaker 1: Right the cutdown it went from like ninety to seventy five,
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Speaker 1: then seventy five to fifty three. Well now it just
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Speaker 1: goes from like eighty to fifty three. So it's a
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Speaker 1: massive amount of It's a crazy couple of days, and
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Speaker 1: it's it's the GM's time to grind. So I'm not
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Speaker 1: anti working from home. Like no one said you couldn't
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Speaker 1: go see the birth of your son, but you just
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Speaker 1: disappear for a couple of weeks in the middle of
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Speaker 1: training camp. How could the coach ever look Brian Flores.
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Speaker 1: We could dispute his ability to work with the offensive guys.
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Speaker 1: No one argues that is not a grinder. So where's
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Speaker 1: he come from the place where you have no life?
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Speaker 1: In Belichick? So that to me is have you ever worked?
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Speaker 1: How can do you work with people you don't respect?
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Speaker 1: It's not even possible After.
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Speaker 2: A while, Well and I've said this for years now
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Speaker 2: I own a company.
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Speaker 1: Is that.
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Speaker 2: One of the reasons I like the volume is because
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Speaker 2: you can work remotely outside of football. You may be
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Speaker 2: able to work four days a week. You can kind
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Speaker 2: of set your own schedule. I mean, John, you set
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Speaker 2: your own schedule. It is the opposite of the other
12:35
Speaker 2: place where I missed one day during the football season
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Speaker 2: in six months because I got puky sick out here
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Speaker 2: in La flu was going around, and I mean I
12:43
Speaker 2: woke up and was vomiting, which I do about once
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Speaker 2: a decade. So but there's just an understanding is you
12:51
Speaker 2: have to play sick in certain instances and certain careers.
12:55
Speaker 2: And it's one of those things where it doesn't play
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Speaker 2: well on the Internet, which can lean far right or
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Speaker 2: far left, but there are things within, you know, sort
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Speaker 2: of the There are jobs, and I think NFL is
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Speaker 2: one of those where it is a badge of honor
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Speaker 2: to have no life. It is an absolute I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've heard stories for years about Belichick. I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I yeah.
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Speaker 1: So it's Andy. Andy's a notorious all time grinder.
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Speaker 2: So it's like it doesn't play well on the innerweb.
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Speaker 2: But the reality is, take you're gonna work six months,
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Speaker 2: You're not gonna have a day after in the football season,
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Speaker 2: and you're gonna miss your kids litle league games. Sometimes
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Speaker 2: that's just the way it is, and you gotta and
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Speaker 2: that doesn't play well publicly, but privately you I think
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Speaker 2: there are businesses you lose the respect of other people
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Speaker 2: in the building, men and women if you don't sacrifice
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Speaker 2: for the job. I'm sorry, but that's just the way
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 1: Well totally. I've said this forever. If you are you
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Speaker 1: work for Walmart or Costco and you're a six figure guy,
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Speaker 1: you're a W two, you're crazy if you don't take
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Speaker 1: the maternity leaf. You know, in these massive corporations. This
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Speaker 1: is a very specific situation and a timing thing, right.
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, Sean McVay, it's not ideal that he
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Speaker 1: had a baby on Sunday and they play that Thursday
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Speaker 1: on the road in Seattle. Can't control that and that's
14:18
Speaker 1: the thing with But that isn't that sports Lebron said
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Speaker 1: this like a couple of months ago. I would rather
14:24
Speaker 1: be at home on Christmas Day, but part of my gig,
14:27
Speaker 1: they put me on Christmas Day for twenty straight years.
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Speaker 1: It sucks it's that's what the what don Draper said,
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Speaker 1: that's what the money is for. This isn't your normal job,
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Speaker 1: so I think, and it's not even just the administration.
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Speaker 1: The players players paraty had a kid in two days later.
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Speaker 1: Is playing a game that's come to the territory. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it's no one's absolved from this. So, like you said,
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Speaker 1: it's not an ideal, Like Mike McDonald wasn't trying to
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Speaker 1: brag that he only sees his son on Thursday nights
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Speaker 1: for an hour. It's just part of the gig for
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Speaker 1: six months. It sucks and then guess what, your life
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Speaker 1: dramatically chills out as a coach once the season ends,
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, if scouts in drafts like you're not, this
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Speaker 1: isn't college. So it's Brady, I think said this on
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Speaker 1: your show. It's a six month to your job. You know,
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Speaker 1: obviously training stuff in the off season, but you get
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Speaker 1: to be right and you get to make your own
15:17
Speaker 1: schedule in the offseason. So yeah, I think he got
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Speaker 1: fired for the draft picks and not getting along with
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Speaker 1: the coach clearly, not not for the paternity lead. But
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Speaker 1: that was something that I think clearly factored into the
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Speaker 1: relationship with the coach. I don't even see how that's debatable.
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18:41
Speaker 2: So you're going to have a rookie quarterback who's more
18:44
Speaker 2: talented than the guy you're getting rid of left tackle,
18:49
Speaker 2: elite weapon running back that just needs to know line
18:54
Speaker 2: what you and you have an elite pass rusher in
18:56
Speaker 2: Max Crosby. I actually think last year's draft okay, and
19:01
Speaker 2: I think they're a little better on defense than people think.
19:04
Speaker 2: But this league is about GM owner quarterback offensive weapons.
19:11
Speaker 2: I think the Clint Kubiak thing, and I couldn't say
19:13
Speaker 2: the last time I thought Pete Carroll would do better.
19:15
Speaker 2: I thought he would add stability, no question. It was
19:17
Speaker 2: a disaster. Kubiak, brock Bauers, Fernando Mendoza, spytech, Ashton Genty,
19:28
Speaker 2: they have a number two receiver, They got a TCU.
19:31
Speaker 2: I think last year, Yeah, I kind of think Colton Miller.
19:36
Speaker 2: I kind of think that's sneaky good higher what's yours?
19:41
Speaker 1: Well, you stole mine because that offense is tailor made
19:45
Speaker 1: for Fernando Mendoza, isn't it. And I texted a position
19:48
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL who doesn't work with him anymore,
19:50
Speaker 1: but did, and Kubiak tried to get him on the
19:53
Speaker 1: staff in Seattle. I said, what do you think about him?
19:56
Speaker 1: And here's what he texted me. He said, I love
19:58
Speaker 1: the guy. He's all ball. You can tell he's been
20:00
Speaker 1: raised around the Ogs in that way. The O line coach,
20:03
Speaker 1: the senior offensive assistant that works with him now were
20:07
Speaker 1: with his dad when Clint was in high school. That's
20:09
Speaker 1: why he comes across like he does. But behind the
20:11
Speaker 1: scenes he's much more open, genuine guy, no ego. Can
20:14
Speaker 1: easy to see why Brady liked him. And from a
20:17
Speaker 1: scheme standpoint, these guys, the Shanahan's and the Kubiaks, this
20:21
Speaker 1: offense is it's like their family Bible. I mean, their
20:26
Speaker 1: understanding of the offense. I just think Fernando Mendoza in
20:30
Speaker 1: that offense, like watching him played Indiana and you went, God,
20:33
Speaker 1: you put him in a Packer uniform or a Niner uniform,
20:36
Speaker 1: he might win the MVP. His control, his accuracy, his mobility.
20:41
Speaker 1: You know, his comparison to goth but he moves way
20:43
Speaker 1: better than imagine. If GoF could move, he would he
20:46
Speaker 1: wouldn't struggle in some of these moments in which he does.
20:49
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, you know John Harbaugh ads must needed stability.
20:53
Speaker 1: That's that one's a no brainer, you know, McCarthy, I
20:56
Speaker 1: would say too, just maintains right, maintain. I actually have
21:01
Speaker 1: one for you that it's easy to believe in the
21:05
Speaker 1: guy because he just comes off across like I totally
21:10
Speaker 1: understand why the players love him and his understanding of
21:14
Speaker 1: defensive scheme. In Robert Sola seems like a stud. He
21:17
Speaker 1: went to the Jets, and it was just you can't
21:19
Speaker 1: overcome that a lot of people would tell the Titans
21:21
Speaker 1: ain't that much different, and that owner Amy Adams is
21:26
Speaker 1: not exactly viewed like Jeffrey Leury, you know. So I
21:31
Speaker 1: would say that is and I get it. They were
21:33
Speaker 1: clearly paying a lot of money to get Robert solad
21:35
Speaker 1: to get Dave Bault. They opened up their checkbook like
21:38
Speaker 1: I think they haven't in years past, and they have
21:40
Speaker 1: big cap space, and they got a new stadium. It's
21:42
Speaker 1: an incredible place to live. It was easy. They have
21:45
Speaker 1: a young quarterback on a rookie contract. It was an
21:47
Speaker 1: enticing situation. But that owner is show. I mean, she
21:50
Speaker 1: ran very able out of town because he didn't smile enough.
21:52
Speaker 1: I mean it's just that that is an organization that
21:55
Speaker 1: to me, I kind of read if Saula is able
21:58
Speaker 1: to Borgozi come from the Chiefs that they have people
22:02
Speaker 1: in that organization and good resumes. But can you overcome
22:05
Speaker 1: that owner because it's proven. Now look at the Jets,
22:07
Speaker 1: what's going on. They're firing coaches left and right. Conn
22:09
Speaker 1: It's middle of February. What do we do doing? Yeah,
22:11
Speaker 1: And I just think sometimes it's proven that these owners
22:14
Speaker 1: that are really emotional, it's it's really really hard to overcome.
22:18
Speaker 1: It's like the Cardinals Lafleora. I'm sure he's a high level,
22:21
Speaker 1: smart guy. Everyone seems you got no chance there the
22:25
Speaker 1: guy that they'll be fired in a couple of years.
22:27
Speaker 1: You're going up against Mike McDonald, Kyle shanahan and Shom
22:29
Speaker 1: McVay and all the resources they have in those three organizations.
22:32
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if if Seattle does sell, some richer
22:35
Speaker 1: guy is gonna come in and purchase them, so they'll
22:37
Speaker 1: even have more money. And this bid well, I mean
22:39
Speaker 1: he makes you pay for like the go cups like
22:42
Speaker 1: good luck, good good luck, and you have no quarterback
22:45
Speaker 1: Like I'm just you could be Bill Walsh, you'd have
22:47
Speaker 1: a hard time. So the Koubiac thing, I'm with you
22:51
Speaker 1: that here's the other thing they have, and you might
22:53
Speaker 1: have mentioned this. I was looking for the text message
22:56
Speaker 1: they can dangle Max to Crosby and get a ton
22:59
Speaker 1: and really start because the problem was is Pete Carroll.
23:02
Speaker 1: I mean he truly was trying to win the day.
23:04
Speaker 1: At seventy five years old. He wasn't living for the
23:06
Speaker 1: next ten years. You can get Kubiak and Spytech and going, hey, Tom,
23:08
Speaker 1: let's look this from a macro big picture view and
23:12
Speaker 1: think about twenty twenty eight, not necessarily week three, this
23:16
Speaker 1: upcoming season, and that they have a very powerful asset
23:20
Speaker 1: in Crosby because unlike Miles Garrett, there's not any question
23:23
Speaker 1: about like showing up on time ultimate character guy. He's
23:27
Speaker 1: been sober for years. I think they could get a
23:29
Speaker 1: haul for him and truly just restart this organization moving forward.
23:34
Speaker 1: And I'm not in the business of trading guys like
23:36
Speaker 1: Max Crosby. But in the Raiders, what are you gonna
23:38
Speaker 1: do beat Denver and the Chargers in Kansas City next year?
23:41
Speaker 1: Probably not, so I think you can take like a
23:44
Speaker 1: three year view and yeah, I think hiring a young coach.
23:48
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the Kubiak thing. I think that
23:50
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense.
23:52
Speaker 2: I was saying this, how so much of what we
23:59
Speaker 2: do with quarterback is based on the trophies you hoist,
24:02
Speaker 2: right like, I mean, that's really what separates Jordan from
24:06
Speaker 2: Lebron is that the six for six. And I've always
24:09
Speaker 2: argued if Michael Jordan and the Bulls were in the
24:12
Speaker 2: Western Conference, then Jordan would have lost finals facing maybe
24:16
Speaker 2: the Pistons or the Celtics. But every time he got through,
24:19
Speaker 2: when he finally got through the East, they were the
24:22
Speaker 2: best team and they faced a bunch of Utah teams
24:25
Speaker 2: or Blazers or Sonics that were good teams but not
24:28
Speaker 2: legendarily great. Is that? And you just forget that Jordan
24:34
Speaker 2: really never won a playoffs series without Pippin. I mean,
24:36
Speaker 2: we tend to worship and you know, titles. Even Jordan
24:41
Speaker 2: is acknowledged, I'm not one of these things without Pippin.
24:43
Speaker 2: I didn't win a lot of games that mattered without Pippin,
24:47
Speaker 2: But nobody wants to hear that. And I'm trying to think,
24:51
Speaker 2: when we think of great quarterbacks in the league in
24:54
Speaker 2: anyone season, I'm trying to think if there's ever been
24:59
Speaker 2: a quarterback that we viewed late twenties as a top
25:05
Speaker 2: seven or eight quarterback in the league that was viewed
25:07
Speaker 2: as a bust for four years. That we have this
25:12
Speaker 2: arc that's happening in the NFL. Now, it used to
25:15
Speaker 2: be Drew Brees was almost a historic outlier first quarterback
25:21
Speaker 2: team that drafts him, doesn't work and still becomes great.
25:25
Speaker 2: It used to be John people kind of bailed on
25:27
Speaker 2: you if it didn't work. Initially, people moved off you.
25:31
Speaker 2: Now we're seeing all I mean, even Geno Smith, who's
25:35
Speaker 2: pretty good but not great. Geno Smith got a second chance.
25:39
Speaker 2: Baker Darnald. If Baker, if Darnald wins a Super Bowl,
25:45
Speaker 2: let's say convincingly thirty twenty one looks good, plays like
25:48
Speaker 2: he did by and large like he did against the Rams,
25:51
Speaker 2: which is a pretty damn clean game. Start a next season.
25:56
Speaker 2: Where do we put him? What is he as a quarterback?
26:00
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's easily a top ten quarterback. And
26:02
Speaker 1: one thing that he's proven that no one would have
26:04
Speaker 1: believed a couple of years ago. When he's on, he's
26:06
Speaker 1: damn good.
26:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:07
Speaker 1: And to me, when you're on and you're damn good
26:10
Speaker 1: is a strong quality to have. I mean, look at Caleb.
26:12
Speaker 1: He's only on like in fourth quarters of games. If
26:17
Speaker 1: you and the one thing, Sam, no one ever disputed
26:19
Speaker 1: his physical capabilities, right, he's anyone that's met him, he
26:23
Speaker 1: is big. I met him last year at the Super Bowl.
26:25
Speaker 1: I went to the Hotel gym.
26:26
Speaker 2: And his head's big.
26:28
Speaker 1: He is a big dude, and he's got a big arm,
26:32
Speaker 1: and he's got a big arm. So you're six'. Five.
26:34
Speaker 1: What we talk a lot about this during the. Season it's, Like,
26:36
Speaker 1: Eh Bryce young can't see. Anything party has to scramble
26:39
Speaker 1: sometime so we can. See Sam darnold could stand there
26:43
Speaker 1: Like Tom Bradyer Peyton manning and see over his offensive
26:45
Speaker 1: lineman and his arm throwing the ball down. Field not
26:48
Speaker 1: a lack of arm, strength and he's never going to
26:50
Speaker 1: be mister. Accurate but he was drafted third overall for a.
26:53
Speaker 1: Reason he has some serious physical, attributes and you, know
26:56
Speaker 1: it turns out he's probably more And i'm not comparing
27:00
Speaker 1: him to farv but he's more gunslinger kind of far
27:03
Speaker 1: V in than he Is Drew.
27:05
Speaker 2: Brees you, KNOW i think there's a lot of my
27:08
Speaker 2: comp out of.
27:09
Speaker 1: Us he was.
27:11
Speaker 2: A little lesser version Of Andrew. Luck there's absolutely Some
27:15
Speaker 2: Andrew luck, toughness arm. Movement luck could probably memorize the
27:20
Speaker 2: Phone book Of San. Antonio over a, weekends you're dealing
27:22
Speaker 2: with a different guy at the. Whiteboard BUT i thought
27:24
Speaker 2: there Was Andrew luck qualities.
27:26
Speaker 1: And one thing that clearly flipped in That thursday night
27:30
Speaker 1: game because he played like crap again against The rams
27:32
Speaker 1: and that final driver. Too he has been a different
27:35
Speaker 1: guy now down the, stretch not making. Mistake when was
27:37
Speaker 1: the last time he turned the ball? Over HE i,
27:39
Speaker 1: mean last game is a great. Examp you know WHAT
27:40
Speaker 1: i talked about, It he's take, It, sacks just hit
27:42
Speaker 1: the ground, man live to fight another. Day so he's
27:44
Speaker 1: actually playing like the version That Holme grin And andy
27:48
Speaker 1: tried to shake Into, farv which he kind of figured
27:50
Speaker 1: out and never really. Shook. Sam just just do what
27:53
Speaker 1: we tell you in this. Offense it's stealing candy from a,
27:56
Speaker 1: baby and maybe a couple times throughout a tight, game
27:58
Speaker 1: we're gonna need you to make a big time, play
28:00
Speaker 1: and he did against The. Rams might not need to
28:02
Speaker 1: do that against The, Patriots BUT i mean there's a
28:04
Speaker 1: chance That seattle can overwhelm, them and he just this
28:08
Speaker 1: is not a shot just manage the. Game maybe throw
28:11
Speaker 1: a touchdown or, two but we're not gonna need three
28:13
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards like we did against The. Ramps
28:15
Speaker 1: just just game, manage let our, defense which is hard
28:18
Speaker 1: for a young. CORE i think he's just think of
28:21
Speaker 1: what he's see now and really That carolina situation backing
28:24
Speaker 1: up with The, niners and then these last couple of.
28:26
Speaker 1: S think of the experience the guy, has you, know
28:30
Speaker 1: in a short period of time before he was thirty years.
28:32
Speaker 1: Old you, know you brought UP i don't remember. THIS
28:34
Speaker 1: i was a little, young and it's probably not apples to,
28:37
Speaker 1: apples But Jim plunkett was drafted number one overall and
28:40
Speaker 1: then resurrected his career With Al davis and The raiders
28:43
Speaker 1: and Won Super. Bowls and you get draft number one,
28:45
Speaker 1: overall you're a big time. Talent and sometimes you just
28:47
Speaker 1: get with the right. Person the right person you, know
28:50
Speaker 1: resonates with. You AND i think For sam When Kyle
28:53
Speaker 1: shanahan calls that we want you, HERE i think that
28:55
Speaker 1: changed the course of his life. Clearly and Then kevin
28:58
Speaker 1: O'Connell BECAUSE i think that built up from. Confidence so
29:01
Speaker 1: when he went Into, minnesota he had much more belief
29:05
Speaker 1: being around The, niners but Specifically kyle and those Got
29:08
Speaker 1: clint was, There kubiak and that was his. Springboard then
29:11
Speaker 1: he had to put it. Together he. Did he's just
29:14
Speaker 1: and then even it's, like, okay everyone's kind of anointing
29:17
Speaker 1: him when he gets kicked in the you know what
29:19
Speaker 1: in those last couple of, games kind of had to
29:21
Speaker 1: shake it off a little bit. There the one Thing Alex,
29:24
Speaker 1: smith who never had the talent Of wonkytor definitely. Darnold
29:28
Speaker 1: his metal toughness was, elite, RIGHT i mean that guy
29:31
Speaker 1: there's a reason That Andy reid And Jim harbaugh from
29:34
Speaker 1: a from a metal toughness and thick. Skin by the
29:37
Speaker 1: time you got, him after about six or seven, years
29:39
Speaker 1: he had seen it.
29:40
Speaker 2: All, Say i'm seen a.
29:41
Speaker 1: Lot you, know this is the first Time Patrick mahomes
29:43
Speaker 1: saw like. That that fell was hard man like. This
29:46
Speaker 1: this ain't. Easy this is what coaches just trying to
29:49
Speaker 1: tell these. PLAYERS i, MEAN i was talking To veach
29:51
Speaker 1: and some of their guys lest, year Like trent McDuffie
29:53
Speaker 1: And karloftis had never not been in The Super bowl
29:56
Speaker 1: in their first three. Years they think about Like garrett
29:59
Speaker 1: will and runs into Like trent. McDuffie what do they
30:02
Speaker 1: have in? Common from a football, Standpoint it's just sometimes
30:05
Speaker 1: you just get lucky who drafts. You And Sam darnold
30:08
Speaker 1: got the wrong end to that. Coin now he might
30:11
Speaker 1: have been a raw product in a no matter where he,
30:14
Speaker 1: went but you get drafted The. JETS i, mean, godspeed.
30:16
Speaker 2: Buddy you, Know, John i've thought about. THIS i did
30:19
Speaker 2: an essay on K Caleb williams a couple of weeks,
30:23
Speaker 2: ago and one of the things that it used to
30:27
Speaker 2: be quarterbacks that through interceptions outside of maybe far because
30:31
Speaker 2: he was so, beloved it was seen it would detract from.
30:37
Speaker 2: You AND i just wonder, This, John now that we
30:40
Speaker 2: have more huddle free, football and that sometimes now you'll
30:46
Speaker 2: have seventy seven snaps in a, game eighty seven snaps
30:49
Speaker 2: in the. Game there were a lot of games in the, seventies, eighties,
30:52
Speaker 2: nineties early two thousands your offense got fifty four. Snaps
30:57
Speaker 2: but it was more of a run. League the clock stops.
31:00
Speaker 2: More it's a passing. League there's fewer, huddles And john
31:05
Speaker 2: AND i thought a lot about. It When stafford led
31:06
Speaker 2: THE nfl and picks and won The Super bowl is
31:09
Speaker 2: that the interception which used to be really putative and
31:13
Speaker 2: it was like if you looked at quarterbacks who threw an,
31:16
Speaker 2: interception you lost most of those. Games it has benefited
31:20
Speaker 2: The andrew lux and to some degree To Baker mayfields
31:24
Speaker 2: and The Matt. Staffords is that when you have fifteen
31:28
Speaker 2: to eighteen percent more, snaps, right fewer, huddles when you
31:33
Speaker 2: have to pass to win in this, game right Like
31:35
Speaker 2: philadelphia is an, Outlier jalen throw, less we win? More
31:40
Speaker 2: is That Dak prescott throws? Interceptions is that the current
31:44
Speaker 2: style of football is draft To Caleb, williams get the,
31:49
Speaker 2: horsepower worry about the completion percentage. Later that is not
31:54
Speaker 2: the way football was fifteen years. Ago and THAT i
31:57
Speaker 2: think it is playing into what you don't. Want Is Jared.
32:01
Speaker 2: Goff you, know in cold, weather or the offensive line
32:05
Speaker 2: regresses or there's an, injury you're, like, oh we're in.
32:08
Speaker 2: Trouble is that with more, snaps more mistakes from the
32:13
Speaker 2: quarterback are? OKAY i, mean Hell sam threw four picks
32:16
Speaker 2: and almost beat The rams.
32:20
Speaker 1: Fifteen years.
32:20
Speaker 2: Ago four interceptions mean you lost thirty five to. Ten
32:24
Speaker 2: you were not. Competitive so WHEN i look AT i
32:27
Speaker 2: think what's happened IS i am less critical of the
32:29
Speaker 2: interception THAN i was ten years. AGO i don't think
32:32
Speaker 2: it's the be all end. ALL i think defensive coaches hate.
32:35
Speaker 2: It but my take IS i think it's Hurt Aaron
32:38
Speaker 2: rodgers over the last seven eight. Years he plays it too.
32:41
Speaker 2: Safe he doesn't throw it downfield. Enough is that nuts?
32:45
Speaker 1: Well because he grew up on you don't throw it
32:47
Speaker 1: over the middle if there's a safety over. There because
32:49
Speaker 1: it's known as the hospital. Ball someone get. Killed that's
32:51
Speaker 1: wired into his. Thinking he plays like he did in
32:54
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen when the rules were you could argue offense
32:58
Speaker 1: in all of professional. Sports no one cares if he
33:00
Speaker 1: strike out. ANYMORE i Heard Dustin baker do a radio.
33:03
Speaker 1: Show he's, LIKE i went and watch guys hit batting.
33:05
Speaker 1: Practice all the balls are hitting the top of the
33:07
Speaker 1: bat THE vp net because they're all trying to hit
33:10
Speaker 1: it out where we grew up drive the ball in batting,
33:13
Speaker 1: practice and you watch them they all strike. Out no one.
33:14
Speaker 1: Cares think about. Basketball Just i'm Watching, denver, okay see
33:18
Speaker 1: everyone's just gunning.
33:19
Speaker 2: Threes make her? Miss who?
33:22
Speaker 1: Cares nobody cares if you. Missed back in the day
33:24
Speaker 1: you miss a couple, threes you're not supposed to shoot.
33:26
Speaker 1: Him you're coming to the. Bench that's like high school.
33:28
Speaker 1: Basketball let alone the pros call. It you, know think
33:31
Speaker 1: about THE. Nfl back in The Let's go the, nineties
33:34
Speaker 1: sixty percent was known as good. One it was hard
33:37
Speaker 1: to complete. Balls people would get. Murdered you don't trying
33:40
Speaker 1: To not just THE dB was mugging, you but the
33:42
Speaker 1: safeties and linebackers could hurt. You so the sport has dramatically. Changed, so,
33:46
Speaker 1: yeah you're just gonna throw more, touchdowns so live with the.
33:48
Speaker 1: Interceptions who Can, yeah take more. Chance that's Why Josh
33:51
Speaker 1: allen And Patrick mahomes Or taylor made let it. Fly you,
33:54
Speaker 1: Know Lamar jackson's kind of been let it loose the
33:56
Speaker 1: last four or five. Years just let it. Loose you
33:59
Speaker 1: couldn't play letting it loose in two thousand and six
34:02
Speaker 1: against The Baltimore ravens or The Pittsburgh steelers because three
34:05
Speaker 1: of your offensive, guys two of them would be in the.
34:07
Speaker 2: Hospital, Well Josh allen had four turnovers and in the
34:13
Speaker 2: end it came down to a controversial. Call the bottom,
34:15
Speaker 2: line if you can move the, ball be, dynamic have,
34:20
Speaker 2: horsepower score, quickly you're just going to get more. Possessions
34:24
Speaker 2: and SO i look at The darnold and maybe when
34:26
Speaker 2: he broke into the league it was more you can't throw.
34:29
Speaker 2: Picks WHAT i don't want is, Safe that's WHAT i don't,
34:33
Speaker 2: Want like THAT'S i think that shortened the career Of Derek.
34:37
Speaker 2: Carr not enough, juice Like, derek throw it, Down Kirk, Cousins,
34:42
Speaker 2: okay you're, Limited Alex, smith all good, guys all. CAPABLE
34:47
Speaker 2: I i mean if you told me my quarterback had
34:53
Speaker 2: thirty seven total touchdowns and fourteen, PICKS i would take it.
34:58
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, YEAH i think the days of Those roger stat,
35:01
Speaker 1: lines right the thirty eight and three or thirty eight and.
35:05
Speaker 1: Seven it's. Good it's ever gonna happen. Again now he,
35:08
Speaker 1: was you, know in his, heyday he was so uniquely
35:12
Speaker 1: powerful and, Accurate like it's pretty rare TO i, mean
35:15
Speaker 1: look At Josh. Allen he's got the, power but his
35:17
Speaker 1: accuracy can be a little hit or. Miss SO i
35:19
Speaker 1: think once you're that, accurate you kind of overthink a certain.
35:22
Speaker 1: Shot you're, Like i'm not gonna take that right Where josh,
35:25
Speaker 1: Goes i'll just throw it. Hit the circle he's throwing
35:28
Speaker 1: it to is a lot bigger than the One Drew,
35:30
Speaker 1: Brees Tom. Brady they were just trained differently the. Sport
35:35
Speaker 1: they all these sports have, changed every single one of,
35:38
Speaker 1: them and a lot of. Them they all come back
35:40
Speaker 1: to offensive and offensive. Power AND i think that's the
35:44
Speaker 1: thing with football you look AT i Mean Kayleb. Williams
35:47
Speaker 1: can you imagine talking about him twenty years ago with
35:49
Speaker 1: a fifty five percent completion, Percentage but no one cares
35:52
Speaker 1: because he makes huge. Plays if you make hi big
35:54
Speaker 1: plays and throwing, TOUCHDOWNS i can live with some incompletions
35:57
Speaker 1: on wheel. Routes AND i was, hesitant AND i got
35:59
Speaker 1: to take the l because he makes so many big
36:02
Speaker 1: plays that are, enormous explosive plays and throws touchdowns in
36:06
Speaker 1: the opportune. Times you gotta live with the second and
36:09
Speaker 1: the third quarter looking like crap.
36:14
Speaker 2: With a big game coming. Up we're all about enjoying
36:16
Speaker 2: the moment without paying for it the next. Day Whether
36:18
Speaker 2: i'm hosting, friends, jamming cheering from the, couch heading to
36:22
Speaker 2: a watch, PARTY i want to be fully present and
36:25
Speaker 2: still feel good in the. Morning for, me that means planning,
36:27
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Speaker 1: So The lakers and That i'm sure you read that.
37:43
Speaker 1: Article but they sold for the ten billion. Valuation, yeah
37:47
Speaker 1: and you could, argue well they did Have Luca lebron's
37:51
Speaker 1: going to be. Gone it's very difficult to acquire players
37:54
Speaker 1: in THE. Nba, now, yes you, know these guys are
37:57
Speaker 1: hard to make out these. Day it's hard to make,
37:59
Speaker 1: trades the work, complicated the brand is, elite but the
38:03
Speaker 1: actual functionality of then running The this isn't baseball where
38:06
Speaker 1: you can just buy whoever you want like they're. Doing
38:08
Speaker 1: it's a lot more. Challenging like the brand is more
38:11
Speaker 1: valuable than the ease in which it's going to be
38:13
Speaker 1: to flip that thing into some. Powerhouse, again If seattle
38:17
Speaker 1: truly hits the market as a, franchise and let's let's
38:19
Speaker 1: assume they win The Super, bowl think about some of
38:23
Speaker 1: the recent sales in THE. Nfl, COMMANDERS i, mean was
38:26
Speaker 1: the joke of the league for twenty, years The browns
38:29
Speaker 1: When jimmy has. Them typically with these, franchise The, panthers
38:33
Speaker 1: they have been kind of questionably run needed a major
38:37
Speaker 1: ovahaul and in bad shape you would. Inherit let's not
38:40
Speaker 1: even count the. Players A hall Of fame general manager
38:44
Speaker 1: and a coach that looks like he's got the chance
38:46
Speaker 1: to be like the Next belichick on. Defense, yes, yes
38:49
Speaker 1: off a Super bowl championship and with the league sprinting,
38:53
Speaker 1: MONEY i, mean how does it get any better than?
38:54
Speaker 2: That and like WHEN i saw the price for The,
38:58
Speaker 2: seahawks like six, Billion i'm, like that is a that
39:04
Speaker 2: is a. Discount so you have arguably the most loyal
39:08
Speaker 2: fan base in the league that looks forward to sitting
39:11
Speaker 2: in driving rainstorms like seize it as a team. Advantage
39:15
Speaker 2: you have A gm with at least ten more, years
39:19
Speaker 2: a coach with maybe. Fifteen with gambling, exploding those numbers
39:28
Speaker 2: only go. Up you have the strongest corporate relationship you
39:36
Speaker 2: it's a bidding. War you can stay with your terrestrial
39:40
Speaker 2: partners or, move WHICH i think they. Will they'll stay
39:42
Speaker 2: With fox AND. Cbs you still need. THAT i mean
39:45
Speaker 2: a lot of, people like you know a lot of
39:48
Speaker 2: people over, sixty they don't want to own SIX a
39:52
Speaker 2: lot of these boomers they, retire they don't want six.
39:55
Speaker 2: Stations put them on Maybe netflix Or, amazon they're not
39:57
Speaker 2: they're not. Buying you, know multiple huluse to watch. Games
40:02
Speaker 2: Is i've said this. Forever if you had oil money
40:07
Speaker 2: or you had like tech, money there are a lot
40:10
Speaker 2: of times that rich people buy, things AND i just
40:12
Speaker 2: do not Get tell me another business In, america the
40:21
Speaker 2: Sand francisco forty nine, ers you don't, Know sears, DIED
40:24
Speaker 2: Jc penny. Died you HAVE i mean the top twenty
40:29
Speaker 2: companies in The Dow jones fifteen years. AGO i think
40:33
Speaker 2: one still. Exists, microsoft nobody's trading The. Yankees The yankees will,
40:41
Speaker 2: exist The niners will, exist The bears will. Exist IF
40:45
Speaker 2: i was a, billionaire no sports league outside of The
40:51
Speaker 2: English Premier league has more leverage over television and streaming
40:58
Speaker 2: services than The National Football. League last year every team
41:01
Speaker 2: got a four hundred and fifty million dollar paycheck from THE.
41:04
Speaker 2: Tv that's going. Up that will be so just think about.
41:07
Speaker 2: That if if you bought it it was worth eight,
41:09
Speaker 2: billion and you, Said, Okay i'm gonna own fifty five
41:11
Speaker 2: percent of. It i'll be majority. Owner i'll sell the
41:13
Speaker 2: other forty five. Percent i'll have. Partners BUT i get
41:15
Speaker 2: a run. IT i GET i have the. Power you're
41:19
Speaker 2: GETTING i, mean you could live off sixty sixty million
41:23
Speaker 2: a year and the rest of it you're just paying down.
41:25
Speaker 2: DEBT i and, also the stadium In seattle is fairly.
41:29
Speaker 2: New you don't have to build a new. Stadium WHEN
41:32
Speaker 2: i see those, Numbers i'm like seven, billion that's.
41:36
Speaker 1: It that feels like a. Discount and you inherit the
41:39
Speaker 1: two hardest guys to you, know acquire in the, BUSINESS
41:42
Speaker 1: a coach in A gm there are there are in
41:44
Speaker 1: a contract going. Nowhere, Again i'm NOT i do not
41:49
Speaker 1: like The, lakers BUT i have to acknowledge the power
41:52
Speaker 1: of their brand and the. Organization but if you told
41:55
Speaker 1: me just what would be easier the next five ten
41:58
Speaker 1: years financially local television in major, shambles isn't that going
42:02
Speaker 1: to impact The? Lakers my point Is, seattle which no
42:05
Speaker 1: one was said twenty years. Ago you could make it
42:07
Speaker 1: argue it's a way better, buy even if it's the
42:09
Speaker 1: same price than The Los Angeles.
42:11
Speaker 2: Lakers COULD i, go, yeah, yeah The lakers have one
42:13
Speaker 2: of the last great LOCAL tv.
42:15
Speaker 1: Deal but isn't that. Dying aren't they in? Shambles isn't
42:18
Speaker 1: that Why genie's getting out well and the other thing
42:21
Speaker 1: is with the LOCAL tv in THE, nfl it's all,
42:26
Speaker 1: National it's.
42:27
Speaker 2: All national and, so AND i, mean what do you
42:30
Speaker 2: think is gonna survive a local cable station that pays
42:32
Speaker 2: The lakers Or netflix And. Fox SO i think THE
42:38
Speaker 2: nba has got several. Problems they have guaranteed money over
42:41
Speaker 2: the next ten. Years so that's why The, LAKERS i,
42:43
Speaker 2: mean The walters, group what they really liked is once
42:46
Speaker 2: the contract was signed WITH, Nbc amazon AND, espn the
42:51
Speaker 2: money was, guaranteed so you become less behold into your
42:53
Speaker 2: LOCAL tv. Deal but it's really hard with the new
42:57
Speaker 2: aprons to make AN nba.
42:58
Speaker 1: Trade my, point it's very difficult to operate THESE nba
43:02
Speaker 1: Franchise it's it's never been more like the one of
43:06
Speaker 1: these free agentcies don't hit the market anymore because the
43:08
Speaker 1: team that has the player can offer him so much.
43:11
Speaker 1: More and, then like you, said the the execution of
43:14
Speaker 1: making the, trade which historically in basketball used to be pretty.
43:17
Speaker 1: Easy they've been trades my entire, life but these kind
43:19
Speaker 1: of feel. Over so it's, LIKE i understand why The
43:22
Speaker 1: Walter grew bought The, Lakers but my point is the
43:25
Speaker 1: difficulty of now turning that into what he's got with
43:27
Speaker 1: The dodgers is going to be much more of an
43:30
Speaker 1: uphill battle than to ever. Have there's a chance that
43:33
Speaker 1: they might be good With, luca but never some Like
43:36
Speaker 1: kobe Shack power Where seattle financially, won it's. Foolproof and
43:41
Speaker 1: then two from an all on the field, standpoint you
43:43
Speaker 1: just THE gm has a fifteen year track record in
43:46
Speaker 1: this coach pretty clearly he's a. Star so you're getting
43:49
Speaker 1: these like When Josh harris bought The, commanders they had.
43:52
Speaker 1: Nothing you had to blow the whole thing. Up that's it's.
43:55
Speaker 1: HARD i, Mean Eddie debarto will be the first. TIME
43:57
Speaker 1: i Like bill waltsh BUT i didn't know it was
43:58
Speaker 1: gonna be the. Hat you just never. KNOW i, mean
44:00
Speaker 1: hiring a coach is like picking a. Player they already
44:03
Speaker 1: got those two, Guys so it's, Like i'm with. You
44:06
Speaker 1: WHEN i saw the six billion, VALUATION i Get seattle's
44:09
Speaker 1: Not chicago or The Bay area size. Wise if you
44:13
Speaker 1: told me bezos who whatever buys it for ten billion,
44:15
Speaker 1: DOLLARS i, said, right don't blame them at. ALL i
44:18
Speaker 1: would pull the trigger. THERE i think IT'S i think
44:20
Speaker 1: that thing is gonna sell if it's true and actually goes.
44:22
Speaker 1: DOWN i think THE nfl and the families pushed back
44:25
Speaker 1: a little bit against, It BUT i don't think that
44:27
Speaker 1: story comes out of. Nowhere is that? Fair so it's
44:29
Speaker 1: LIKE i just think that that that franchise is pretty.
44:33
Speaker 1: Unique these franchises typically become available or just like are.
44:37
Speaker 1: Trash they got nothing beside the, money but they're not well.
44:40
Speaker 1: Run they need to need it all.
44:42
Speaker 2: Up and the other thing to, remember the game day
44:45
Speaker 2: revenue In seattle is pretty. Strong seattle is a corporate,
44:48
Speaker 2: hub you. KNOW i mean it's it's stars Like Silicon Valley,
44:52
Speaker 2: light don't you. Think, yeah so there's a lot of
44:54
Speaker 2: money up In. SEATTLE i Mean amazon is from Their, Starbucks. Microsoft.
45:00
Speaker 2: Yeah so The minneapolis has that feel, too where you
45:03
Speaker 2: look At minneapolis and people say small, Market minneapolis has
45:06
Speaker 2: a lot of money and you know your targets and
45:09
Speaker 2: your major. Corporations fortune five hundred companies are swimming Around
45:13
Speaker 2: seattle In. Minneapolis so, yeah WHEN i saw that, NUMBER i,
45:16
Speaker 2: thought if you told ME i could own anything in the,
45:22
Speaker 2: world the two THINGS i would own is An English
45:25
Speaker 2: Premier league soccer team and AN nfl. Team those two
45:29
Speaker 2: are THE tv revenue is, guaranteed and the interest remember fewer,
45:35
Speaker 2: games much more of a buzz on a per game.
45:38
Speaker 2: Basis both gambling is like a natural. Tient we've been betting.
45:44
Speaker 2: Football i've been betting football since nineteen eighty, six WHEN
45:48
Speaker 2: i moved To. Vegas from that day, FORWARD i bet
45:51
Speaker 2: football almost every day of the football. SEASON i think we're,
45:55
Speaker 2: Done Buddy.
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Speaker 1: Cool the volume