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Harry Styles Got Engaged… And It’s Not Me · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torver.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kate Torver.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Sophie Torver. And coming up on today's show,
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  Speaker 1: Sam Guggenheimer admits social media turned her into a mean person.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski labels Tammy Hembrough's cheating accusations as lies. And
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  Speaker 1: in devastating news, Harry Styles may officially be.
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  Speaker 2: Off the market.
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  Speaker 1: But first, rumours are swirling that Chloe Zepp and Mitch
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  Speaker 1: Orville have broken up again. The influencer couple, who've been
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  Speaker 1: together for over a decade, got engaged in 2024 and
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  Speaker 1: share two young kids together. Now, Kate, what sparked these rumours? Well,
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  Speaker 1: followers have noticed that the pair are no longer following
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  Speaker 1: each other on social media, which is often a telltale
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  Speaker 1: sign that something has gone on behind the scenes. Eagle-eyed
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  Speaker 1: followers also spotted that Chloe is no longer wearing her
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  Speaker 1: engagement ring. She's also removed the term fiancé from her
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  Speaker 1: Instagram bio and unpinned the reel announcing their engagement.
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  Speaker 2: It also appears she's.
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  Speaker 1: Removed some photos with Mitch from her profile, so people
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  Speaker 1: are wondering if she's potentially blocked him. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: something nasty has gone on because you don't just go
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  Speaker 1: and unfollow the father of your children and delete photos.
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  Speaker 1: If this was some kind of amicable breakup, you would
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  Speaker 1: remain friends. I also think there's an added element that
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  Speaker 1: they're in the public eye. So people are going to
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  Speaker 1: notice these things. It's like she almost wants people to
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  Speaker 1: know that they're not together. Despite all of this going
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  Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, Mitch has been active on socials.
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  Speaker 1: So on Sunday, he shared that he and his sons
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  Speaker 1: were visiting someone in hospital and Mitch made a comment
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  Speaker 1: to the boys that, oh, this is the hospital that
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  Speaker 1: you were born in. He then later shared a quote
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  Speaker 1: that said, the pain of what you're feeling is nothing
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  Speaker 1: compared to the joy that's coming. No matter what shit
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  Speaker 1: situations happen, something good is coming. To me, this is
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  Speaker 1: even more confirmation that they aren't together anymore and that
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  Speaker 1: Mitch is in a troubling spot. Chloe's behavior is sort
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  Speaker 1: of reminiscent of Jules Neal's to a smaller scale, because
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  Speaker 1: I know it might not sound like a big deal
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  Speaker 1: to unfollow someone on social media, but when you are
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  Speaker 1: a prominent influencer, this is a huge sign to your
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  Speaker 1: followers that hey, we're not together, we're not friends, something
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  Speaker 1: has gone on. The awkward thing about it was it
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  Speaker 1: was only a few weeks ago that Chloe was singing
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  Speaker 1: the praises of marriage counselling. So it seems like that
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  Speaker 1: isn't going well. Yeah, we spoke about that a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks ago because it appeared to be this undisclosed ad.
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  Speaker 1: And she said at the time she believed every couple
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  Speaker 1: needs to have marriage counselling just before or after they
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  Speaker 1: have kids. She also said that she and Mitch wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have had such a tumultuous relationship if they had spoken
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  Speaker 1: to a marriage counsellor when they had their first son, Artie.
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  Speaker 1: This is removing all of the good work that Talia
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  Speaker 1: Smythe and her boyfriend Ned have been doing to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how when you do marriage counselling or couple counselling,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're in a hard spot in
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  Speaker 1: your relationship. Yeah, but we spoke about it at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes people leave marriage counselling or pre-marriage counselling until it's
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  Speaker 1: too late. It's just a strange turn of events considering
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  Speaker 1: they only did the nine-week marriage counselling session at the
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  Speaker 1: end of last year. And they claimed that it completely
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  Speaker 1: transformed their relationship. Mitch even promoted the marriage counsellor at
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  Speaker 1: the start of the year on his Instagram. And when
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  Speaker 1: he did so, he actually revealed that Chloe was the
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  Speaker 1: one that wanted to do it. And he wrote, as males,
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  Speaker 1: when you hear your partner wants to do counselling, you
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  Speaker 1: assume things are over.
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  Speaker 2: But in reality, it feels like a new beginning.
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  Speaker 1: It is a bit awkward, particularly because this was an
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  Speaker 1: ad and they were talking about how much it's helped
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  Speaker 1: their relationship when clearly it hasn't been that helpful. Or
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  Speaker 1: as you said, Amy, maybe it's just been a case
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  Speaker 1: that they left it too late. I think it's also
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  Speaker 1: obvious that Chloe is the one that has pulled the
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  Speaker 1: trigger and made the decision, particularly if she was the
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  Speaker 1: one that came to Mitch and said, look, we need
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  Speaker 1: to see a marriage counsellor. I think what makes it
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  Speaker 1: sadder about her unfollowing Mitch on social media is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that even if they aren't together anymore, they are
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  Speaker 1: still going to have to co-parent their kids. So you
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  Speaker 1: want them to have a good relationship.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's just a brief thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like obviously something has blown up and she's felt like
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  Speaker 1: she needs to block him or remove him. Could this
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  Speaker 1: be a Sky Wheatley-Lockey situation? I hope so because I
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  Speaker 1: love them together. I mean this isn't the first time
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  Speaker 1: they've broken up. They've had a long history together. of
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  Speaker 1: breaking up and getting back together. Remember the movie room situation? Well,
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  Speaker 1: they've been together since they were teenagers. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: unusual for couples who've been together for that long to
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  Speaker 1: have some time apart, break up, get back together. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot has changed for them. I mean, they've got
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  Speaker 1: two young children. Mitch has returned to a nine to
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  Speaker 1: five job. I mean, Chloe's also sold her business and
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  Speaker 1: is a stay at home mom. They found God. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's also been some financial struggles with the closure of
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  Speaker 1: Zep as well. So that all adds a lot of
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  Speaker 1: pressure to a relationship. I wonder how this is going
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  Speaker 1: to go for Chloe because she has rebranded herself as
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a trad wife online. She's launched a
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  Speaker 1: sub stack, which we spoke about a couple of months ago,
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  Speaker 1: which didn't receive a huge response online. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: Chloe will open up about this potential breakup in her
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  Speaker 1: sub stack because she launched it a couple of months
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  Speaker 1: ago and she really branded herself as this trad wife
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  Speaker 1: and this stay-at-home mom. Not to be that person, because
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  Speaker 1: I feel really sorry for both Chloe and Mitch, but
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  Speaker 1: we had a lot of backlash when we put up
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  Speaker 1: a TikTok discussing our views on trad wives and how
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  Speaker 1: we didn't agree with it being glamorized. And this is
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  Speaker 1: the issue. If you do break up with your partner
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  Speaker 1: and you are a trad wife, those years that you've
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  Speaker 1: spent in the home, it does set you back if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have other stuff going on. I mean, lucky
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  Speaker 1: for Chloe, she has other things to fall back on.
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  Speaker 1: But this was our very argument. Yeah, but I also
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  Speaker 1: want to point out that I do think that it
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  Speaker 1: is fantastic for kids to have a consistent parent in
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  Speaker 1: their life who does make the sacrifice to be at
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  Speaker 1: home with them and spend time with them, whether that
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  Speaker 1: is the mum or the dad or whether it's shared
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  Speaker 1: equally or there's other, you know, grandparents at home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I heard Abby Chatfield talking about it, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was last year, and she was saying this
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  Speaker 1: is why the husband should actually give money towards the
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  Speaker 1: wife's super. when you're out of the workforce for a
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  Speaker 1: number of years, just in these kind of situations because
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  Speaker 1: all marriages, unfortunately, they don't all last or relationships. I
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  Speaker 1: know Chloe and Mitch weren't yet married. Well, they've been
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  Speaker 1: together for 10 years and have two kids. They're basically married.
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  Speaker 3: They are.
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  Speaker 1: In the eyes of the court. I mean, I'm hoping
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  Speaker 1: this is a small blip and we might see them
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  Speaker 1: re-follow each other and work through their relationship. Maybe we
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  Speaker 1: might see some more marriage counselling ads. Okay, I was elated.
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  Speaker 1: Page Six just announced that Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz
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  Speaker 1: are engaged, so.
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  Speaker 2: My morning's taking a turn now.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck. Fans around the world are reeling that Harry Styles
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  Speaker 1: may officially be off the market. The pop star and
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  Speaker 1: his actor girlfriend, Zoe Kravitz, appear to have soft launched
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  Speaker 1: their engagement after.
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  Speaker 2: Just eight months together.
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  Speaker 1: So where were you when you first saw this news?
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  Speaker 1: I was scrolling on my phone and this popped up,
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  Speaker 1: these pap photos. And I thought, surely not. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: been together for very long. This is surely some bullshit
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  Speaker 1: tabloid story. But there does seem to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of truth to this. I want to point out though
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  Speaker 1: that listeners will know I am a 1D stan, but
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  Speaker 1: fortunately for my mental health, I'm actually more of a
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  Speaker 1: fan of Louis Tomlinson than I am of Harry Styles,
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  Speaker 1: which is controversial. And also you are married. So this
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  Speaker 1: news shouldn't rock you that much. I don't think we
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  Speaker 1: should shame people who have been rocked by this if
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  Speaker 1: they're in a relationship or married because it's different. Like
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  Speaker 1: it is hard when you see your celebrity crush move on.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, recently Dean Geyer announced that he and
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  Speaker 1: his wife were having a baby and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: Why do I feel weird about it?
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm thrilled for them.
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  Speaker 1: My ex-boyfriend is having a baby. That's the key thing
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  Speaker 1: is that I think when it hits really hard is
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  Speaker 1: when this has been a crush of yours since you
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  Speaker 1: were a teenager. So a lot of people are saying
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  Speaker 1: that this news has made them feel 16 again. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people ship this relationship. No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't. Now let's talk about the photos that have
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  Speaker 1: sparked these rumors. So the couple were papped when they
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  Speaker 1: were out on a stroll around London and they were
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  Speaker 1: very casually dressed at the time. They both had baseball
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  Speaker 1: caps on. It looked like they didn't want to stand
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  Speaker 1: out or be noticed. But what people did notice was
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  Speaker 1: the massive fuck off ring on Zoe's left hand. It's
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  Speaker 1: a massive diamond, isn't it? Like you could not not
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  Speaker 1: notice it in the photograph. Now, The Sun was the
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  Speaker 1: first to publish these photos and break the news. They
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  Speaker 1: ran with the headline, Harry Styles and Zoe Kravis kiss
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  Speaker 1: in London as she spotted wearing huge diamond ring on
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  Speaker 1: left hand. Now, these rumors gained even more momentum when
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  Speaker 1: the couple were packed two days later outside a London hotel.
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  Speaker 1: So in the photos, Harry was leading Zoe to a
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  Speaker 1: waiting car before he leaned in and gave her a
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  Speaker 1: kiss goodbye. And she was again wearing the same ring. Now,
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  Speaker 1: page six seemingly confirmed the news on Friday saying, According
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  Speaker 1: to the publication, several sources claim that Harry and Zoe
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  Speaker 1: are on cloud nine. Another said, Harry is completely smitten
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  Speaker 1: and would jump off a cliff for her.
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  Speaker 2: Very strange quote to include.
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  Speaker 1: I think the weirdest thing about this relationship for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of One Direction fans has been that Harry previously
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  Speaker 1: has been quite private. And so there's always been this
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  Speaker 1: thought that Is this a fake relationship?
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  Speaker 2: Or PR relationship?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, as soon as the news broke that Harry Styles
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  Speaker 1: could potentially be off the market, fans were not doing well.
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  Speaker 1: I saw one tweet sum it up perfectly. It read,
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  Speaker 1: I know I never had a chance with Harry Styles,
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  Speaker 1: but this really cements it now. Another said, Harry Styles
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  Speaker 1: got engaged and it's not me again. Someone else wrote,
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  Speaker 1: for my mental health, this is AI. I just think
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  Speaker 1: that it seems like a lot of Harry Styles fans
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  Speaker 1: are in the very first stage of grief, which is,
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  Speaker 1: of course, denial because fans quickly started to speculate that
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  Speaker 1: the ring was simply an item from a collaboration that
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  Speaker 1: Zoe did with a jewellery brand called Jessica McCormack. What,
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  Speaker 1: that she just so happens to wear in her wedding ring? Well,
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  Speaker 1: one fan on TikTok wrote, It's for a jewelry brand
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  Speaker 1: she's an ambassador for. They dropped a new collection. People
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  Speaker 1: are saying she wears rings like that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you love it?
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me of like when you were 16 and
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  Speaker 1: you'd be so delusional about all like your celebrity crushes. Oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: they're not going. out together they're looking for every reason
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  Speaker 1: for it not to be true you can see why
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  Speaker 1: so many teen heartthrobs had to actually hide the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they had a partner it's like when all the
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  Speaker 1: AFL players would take their mum to the brown though
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  Speaker 1: you're like oh my god they're such a nice guy No,
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  Speaker 1: they were tuning about 10 girls. That's why they brought
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  Speaker 1: them up. There was nothing more heartbreaking as a teenager
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  Speaker 1: watching the Brownlow and seeing the glamazon that your favorite
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  Speaker 1: player was with. You're like, fuck, why couldn't that be me?
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  Speaker 1: And the guy would always look like 21 his age
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  Speaker 1: and the girl would look like in her 30s. She
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  Speaker 1: would just look like a real woman. Getting back to
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  Speaker 1: these theories about the ring, I do want to point
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  Speaker 1: out that Zoe does actually often wear large diamond rings,
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  Speaker 1: but Fans have pointed out that they have mostly been
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  Speaker 1: on her left pinky finger and fans have even found
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  Speaker 1: the campaign that she did at Christmas time for this brand.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they have.
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  Speaker 1: She was actually wearing a large diamond on her ring finger,
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  Speaker 1: but it was on her right hand, which I want
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  Speaker 1: to point out. Well, of course she was because it
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  Speaker 1: was an advert. Well, experts have even weighed in. As
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine, a lot of publications are speaking to
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  Speaker 1: jewellery designers and they have analysed this photo of the
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  Speaker 1: ring within an inch of its life. And they've come
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  Speaker 1: to the conclusion that this is a new piece of jewelry.
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  Speaker 1: This is not from the collection. So the ring that
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  Speaker 1: Zoe was pictured in, it's a more minimalist design. It's sleeker.
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  Speaker 1: It features a different setting than the typical vintage style
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  Speaker 1: from Jessica McCormack's line. Experts have also predicted that this
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  Speaker 1: diamond is more than 10 carats and valued at over
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  Speaker 1: 500,000 Aussie dollars. Why did I think it'd be more?
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  Speaker 1: I'm no jewellery expert, but I could have told you
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  Speaker 1: that this was an engagement ring. Why are they bothering
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  Speaker 1: to interview these people? The whole thing is, though, if
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  Speaker 1: you are in the public eye, you're dating the world's
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  Speaker 1: biggest pop star, you're not just playing around with putting
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  Speaker 1: a ring on your wedding finger.
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  Speaker 2: Particularly if you're out on a casual stroll.
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  Speaker 1: Some fans have moved on from the denial stage to
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  Speaker 1: the acceptance phase, but the general consensus is a feeling
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  Speaker 1: of disappointment. So instead of celebrating the news, many fans
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  Speaker 1: have criticized Zoe's history of high-profile engagements and questioned the
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  Speaker 1: couple's relationship timeline. Yeah, I want to briefly run you
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  Speaker 1: through this timeline because it is quite interesting. So they
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  Speaker 1: were first spotted together in Rome in August last year.
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  Speaker 1: Since then, they've been seen together several times in London
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  Speaker 1: and New York. It's not exactly clear when they first
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  Speaker 1: started dating, but they've publicly been seen together for the
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  Speaker 1: past eight months, which some fans are saying is is
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  Speaker 1: not long enough. They're not happy that this engagement seems
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  Speaker 1: to be such a whirlwind and so quick.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to break it to you, Harry Styles fans.
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  Speaker 1: But once you get into your 30s, when you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And that appears to what's happened here.
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  Speaker 2: But they are in their 30s. You know what I love?
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  Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying the fans are. But the fans
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  Speaker 1: are in their 30s.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: It's like all the people that watch Justin Bieber's Coachella performance.
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  Speaker 1: I saw so many TikToks and they're like, when you
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  Speaker 1: see the man that you think thought you were gonna
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  Speaker 1: marry or that you were supposed to marry i saw
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  Speaker 1: this tiktok of this woman it was like my friend
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  Speaker 1: who has two children and is six weeks postpartum and
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  Speaker 1: it was like that should be me and she was
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  Speaker 1: like crying so much i think the reality is so
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  Speaker 1: that there is a lot of misogyny around this announcement
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  Speaker 1: or this rumor and the worst part is it's coming
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  Speaker 1: from females yeah i mean i think firstly People don't
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  Speaker 1: like the fact that she's older than Harry. So she's 37,
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  Speaker 1: he's 32, which I want to point out. That's the
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  Speaker 1: age gap between my husband and I. Those are our
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  Speaker 1: exact ages.
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  Speaker 2: Big deal.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: 37 is young. People also don't like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she's been engaged two times prior. So she was engaged
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  Speaker 1: to actor Carl Glossman. Their pair ended up marrying in 2019.
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  Speaker 1: They divorced in 2021. Most recently, she was engaged to
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  Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. So he popped the question in 2023, but
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  Speaker 1: they split in 2024. The only thing that surprises me
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  Speaker 1: is just how different these men all look. Like she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have a type at all.
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  Speaker 2: Is it just hot?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a type?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine going from Channing Tatum to Harry Styles. Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how lucky can some people get? Here's a taste of
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  Speaker 1: some of the comments people have been writing about Khloe
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  Speaker 1: under some of these articles. Someone wrote, she's collecting engagement
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  Speaker 1: rings like infinity stones. I think that's a comment that
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hambrow got a lot of. Another said, wasn't she
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  Speaker 1: just engaged to Channing Tatum not that long ago? While
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  Speaker 1: another said, this gives me daddy issue vibes. I want
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  Speaker 1: to point out for those who don't know, Zoe's dad is,
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  Speaker 1: of course, legendary singer Lenny Kravitz. And if those engagement
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  Speaker 1: rumors are true, isn't it wild to think that Lenny
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  Speaker 1: Kravitz is going to be Harry Styles' father-in-law? If they
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  Speaker 1: end up having children, can you imagine how musically talented
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  Speaker 1: they will be? I have to say, when you were
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  Speaker 1: reading some of those tweets out, particularly the one about,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't she just engaged to Channing Tatum? There was a
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  Speaker 1: part of me as someone who was a Harry Styles
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  Speaker 1: fan that was like, it is a bit greedy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is greedy, greedy, greedy. And also 37, we're 37.
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  Speaker 1: That could be me. Well, one TikTok user joked that
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  Speaker 1: Zoe's game needs to be studied. Let's have a listen
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  Speaker 1: to what she said.
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  Speaker 5: Zoe Kravitz, because I need to understand her game. I
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: need to interrogate her. I need to sit across a
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: table from her. Because at the very least, maybe osmosis. Like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: she needs to be studied. He is completely smitten. He
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: would jump off a cliff for her. I just need
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: to know what she's doing right and I'm doing wrong.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Do we really need to analyze it? She's famous and hot.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was Catwoman in Batman.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: She's got riz as well, clearly.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: There's something about her. Also, Harry Styles loves to date
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: an older woman. So again, again, Kate, it could have
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: been us, as you said. I wonder if this will
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: affect his career. I know that might sound really silly,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: but he's no longer deemed as being attainable. A lot
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: of his shows, there's a lot of sex appeal going on. And- Interestingly,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: it coincides with a few people getting the ick from
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Harry Styles. On my TikTok algorithm, all I've seen when
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: he did the SNL appearance, a lot of people were saying, oh,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I've realized that Harry Styles has passed his prime. And
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: this was accompanied by a lot of compilation videos of
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: when He was in his early 20s with his long hair.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Do you know what's funny?
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: A lot of the videos were when he was like 19.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: People were like.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Hang on, he's a teenager in these.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I want to point out that I don't think he's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: icky at all. Like he is still hot. To be honest.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I found him more icky with the long hair. Oh,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I loved him with the long hair. That really long hair. No,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: like the middle of the range. To be honest, I
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't as cut by this news because I did get
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: the ick during the SNL performance. And I'm not saying
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: that Harry Styles isn't an attractive man.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: He clearly is.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: But I didn't like his accent. It's no longer British.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: It's morphed into this weird combination of, like, American. I
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: actually thought he was putting on a voice during it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't find the jokes that funny. His delivery wasn't
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that great. And, like, so, I mean, I'm not saying
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: he's past his prime, but I don't– I think this
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: will affect his popularity. It's crazy because all he did
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: was actually speak the most he's ever spoken in a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: TV thing and everyone's like.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's not that hot. Like, poor thing.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Look, there are other fans who think that this whole
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: engagement story is a PR move. A TikToker called Leels
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: who has 104,000 followers on TikTok and shares pop culture
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: news said this. Have you guys noticed that anytime one
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: of the One Direction boys is in the news, a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: couple of days or a week later, Harry Styles is
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: also in the news? She has a point because this
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: past week, it's been all over the news that Zayn
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and Louis have been embroiled in this fight, which then
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Their whole Netflix doco got canned over. We spoke about
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: this on the subs. They're probably so grateful that this
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Harry Styles news is broken, aren't they?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So, like, that news broke. Then a couple of days later,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Harry's just randomly grabbing coffee with Zoe, who's wearing an
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: enormous rock.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, what?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Are they saying that Zoe's taken one for the team?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: She's gone, I'm going to put on my fake fucking ring. Well,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: what they're saying is it means that the attention is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: no longer on Zayn and Louis. It's back to Harry.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It's back to the most popular member of 1D. Yeah,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: but that would make sense if they were still in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a band together and their PR was being managed. Like,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that Harry Styles is like, oh, I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: must be the center of attention out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Of the 1D boys?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: This is just a theory because the TikTok user also
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: used the example that when Louis was releasing his album
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: in January, without any warning, Harry dropped a new single
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: on the same day. Poor Louis. Back in 2023 when
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Niall was out promoting his albums. The same week, Harry
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: was spotted on a date with Taylor Russell. Has anyone
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: else's hole for you, Paige, just been Niall? Like, I
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: don't even particularly like him. I've seen him pop up.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I've not seen one thing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Because his song is about Liam Payne.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He's been popping up.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: All over on, like, Different podcasts talking about how he
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: hates avocado. That's hilarious because I have not seen one.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure my phone is listening to me as we
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: record this and I'm getting inundated. Amy's watched one clip
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: just far too long. I got sucked into watching one
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and now it's all like him drinking Guinness on Ladbible
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and him talking about his girlfriend. Niall never really stood
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: out to me in One Direction, but as the boys
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: have gotten older, I actually think he's almost fared the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: best in the looks department.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Really? Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: How much have we spoken about males' appearances in this episode?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I'm more of a Zayn Malik girl, to be honest. Zayn? Really?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: A bit of a bad boy.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do like a bad boy from time to time.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I went through a really dark path.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I turned into someone I could no longer recognize. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I did. I became quite an angry person, which upon reflection,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I definitely think I was trying to protect myself.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Sam Guggenheimer has admitted that social media turned her into
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a mean person that she no longer recognized. The 23-year-old
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: made the confession in her podcast return a month after
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: she was accused of amplifying her friend Bill Barker's fatphobic comments. Now, Kate,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: this was a rather interesting listen. Yeah, there was a
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: lot of self-reflection going on and let's call it for
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: what it was. It was damage control in its finest form.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And it well and truly was needed after Sam and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Bill doubled down after they were originally called out about
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that fatphobic comment. Now, at the time, the pair said
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't their fault that their audience couldn't take
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a joke. Not popular. No, and after receiving a lot
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of backlash, Sam later apologized, but the damage was well
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and truly done. I have to say, though, her recent
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: attempt to take accountability for her actions on her podcast
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: was much more successful than She even conceded that she
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: had turned into a mean and rude person that she
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: no longer recognized.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I hated myself so much and I thought everyone hated
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: me and I just couldn't bear the thought of showing
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: up as my real self and that's really not how
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I want to be.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I think we sometimes forget how young some of these
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: influences are. As you touched on Kate, she's only 23
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: years old and she's had to endure probably daily trolling.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that when you're that age, you become
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: very defensive over it and you just want to hit
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: back at people. Well, she's basically saying, look, I turned
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: into this caricature that you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Made up of me.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Pretty big of her to admit it too. Like to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: say on a podcast as a 23 year old, I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: was actually mean. There's a lot of self-reflection and She
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: did say that she has returned to therapy and she's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: been working on her mental health. She also spoke in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: depth about her battle with ADHD and also anxiety. Again,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: which was incredibly brave of her. Now, she really didn't
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: hold back in this episode. She also revealed that there
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was a lot more she could say but wasn't allowed to.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So according to Sam, she has been silenced due to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: ongoing legal and representation issues dating back to the middle
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of last year. She said she'd love to be honest
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and tell her audience the full law, but is unable
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to as contract negotiations are still going on behind the scenes.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of what she said.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Behind the camera, I really haven't been okay since around
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: mid last year. I've been carrying a lot, which is
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: legal battles, people telling me and pressuring me what to
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: do and a constant stream of rumour and speculations about
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: what's happened between me and my ex-co-host.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Well, reading between the lines, it seems like she's referring
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to issues surrounding her now defunct podcast, which she, of course,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: hosted with fellow influencer and former friend Izzy Armitage. Yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, these two were inseparable for years, so much
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: so that they were seen as a duo rather than
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: separate entities online. And Sam actually said in an interview
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: late last year that it was a big part of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the problem between her and Izzy. Yeah, these women were
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: so intertwined that they actually shared a manager, Prue Corrigan,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: who is the owner of talent agency and podcast network
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: One Daydream, who you mentioned before, they also manage Matt Sikowsky.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And this is where things get messy. So One Daydream
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: produced Sam and Izzy's podcast Just For Girls. However, in
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: June 2025, they announced that the women would be launching
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: their own solo podcast. Despite it being glaringly obvious that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Sam and Izzy had fallen out, it was sold as
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: if this was like this expansion of the Just For
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Girls brand.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Clever.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: They even claimed at the time that the Just For
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Girls podcast would release monthly episodes. However, that only happened once. Now,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: around that time, Izzy Armitage sought out a new agent
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: for a fresh start away from Sam. She is now
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: managed by Flair. Interestingly, though, Sam is no longer listed
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: as talent on One Day Dream's website. And in an
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Instagram bio, her management email is simply management at samgoogs.com. Now,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the One Daydream website still features the Just For Girls
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: podcast and also Izzy Armitage's solo podcast, Hear Me Out,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: on its podcast page. But Sam's solo podcast, Hotter Than Yesterday,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: isn't featured at all. Interestingly, though, the One Daydream logo
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: still appears on her artwork. So that, to me, indicates
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that Sam still has contractual obligations with One Daydream, but
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: potentially that's who she's referring to regarding this messy legal situation.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, would she be airing that online? Said podcast then?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: With the network. Well, I mean, I'm guessing that they
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: can't tell her what she can speak about, but they
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: obviously have some sort of revenue share agreement. It also
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: seems like there's another friendship breakdown brewing for Sammy Guggenheimer.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: This time it's with Bill Barker. So the pair have
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: unfollowed each other on Instagram. Presumably it's over the fat
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: phobic drama that's gone on. Well, last week he told
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: his TikTok followers that the past four months have been
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: hell and he's never been so stressed in his life.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: He then said this. And this is like a whole
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: range of things from having shitty friends to having trades
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: steal money from me and trying to get that back
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and managers not being.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: The right fit, a whole bunch of things.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could see this happening a mile away
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: when all the drama broke down, particularly because Sam was
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the one that shared Bill's comments on her TikTok.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: She went away. She edited the video.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: In the video, she joked that she was going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: drop him in and she certainly did. I wouldn't be
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: happy if I was Bill. The drama doesn't stop there
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: for Sam. So after a podcast episode dropped, she was
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: also embroiled in another scandal. So a screenshot of Sam's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: inbox taken from a TikTok video she shared in December
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: went viral. After an eagle-eyed follower noticed an email receipt
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: from a company called Prime Peptides, Sam was immediately accused
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of using appetite suppressant peptides, an allegation she has since denied.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: We are going to get into that drama on Thursday's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken Plus.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Take it from me, trust me, it shall pass and
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: it does get a whole lot better.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Matt Sikowsky has responded to his ex-wife Tammy Hembrough's cheating accusations.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Last week, the mega influencer inferred that her husband of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: three months had cheated on her in a swiftly deleted
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: TikTok comment. I feel like this latest update from Matt
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Sikowsky is very on brand. So he has been very
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: clever with his PR strategy surrounding the breakup. His focus
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: has really been on sharing with his audience how his
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: mental health was impacted during and after this marriage. And
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: while the video touched on similar themes we've heard him
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: speak about, it is also all but confirmed speculation that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Tammy's ex-fiancé Matt Paul is team Matt II. Let's take
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: a listen.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: A little over a year ago, I was in a
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: pretty bad state mentally. I was going through some things
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: and I reached out to someone who, on paper, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: shouldn't really be friends with, but I felt like I'd
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: built a connection with them that I could reach out
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to them. And I asked them for a bit of
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: advice because I felt like they'd gone through something quite
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: similar to me. And the bit of advice that I remember,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: they gave me hate. So the bit I remember was
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: they said, look, life might feel down right now. You
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: might feel like you're at the bottom of the barrel.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: It's not going to get any better. but they said
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: in six months from now and 12 months from now
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: or possibly 18 months from now, you're going to look
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: back at this stage and you're going to think, wow,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: it does get better and life is worth living.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, him saying, I reached out to someone I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: shouldn't really be friends with He's definitely talking about Matt there.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: No one would think that you would feel comfortable to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: reach out to your ex's ex and that you should
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: even be in communication. Like that's a pretty big clue
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: there that this is Matt Paul he's talking about. It's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: so awkward though because Tammy and Matt the first from
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: all accounts seem to have quite a good co-parenting relationship.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So I feel awkward for Matt Paul that he keeps
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: getting dragged into this because he's obviously being a nice
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: guy looking out for Matt Sikowsky. I don't think he's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: been dragged into it though. I think he's put out
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a few, you know, not pot shots, but a few like, yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, how you going comments here and there. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: actually think since this divorce, it's been clear that Matt
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Poole isn't that happy with Tammy, particularly because the two
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Matts have been trading public social media comments. I mean,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it was only just recently that the two Matts were
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: chatting about how cute Posey was on a video that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Matt Poole posted of her boogie boarding. So Matt Sikowsky
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: commented underneath, so cute, to which Matt Paul responded, crazy, hey,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: full big girl now. The commentary received mixed reviews. One
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: person thought it was a bit weird, while others rushed
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to Matt's defense saying he was Posey's stepfather. Now back
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to these cheating allegations. Matt actually used this video on
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: mental health to refute these claims in the comment section.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: So someone replied under the video writing, gosh, stop throwing
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: shade just because she moved on. And Matt ended up replying, hey,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: with all due respect, this has nothing to do with
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: any individual than myself. I am trying to bring awareness
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: to people who feel down that it gets better, unlike
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: some people who are throwing shade with lies. I like
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that he responded in the comments because that's how she
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: set forth this allegation. Yeah, I think that we have
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: really seen a change in the way that Matt Zukowski
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: uses social media, particularly after he's come off the show
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I'm a Celeb. And I think that has a lot
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to do with his talent agency being one daydream which
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: he's been using they are a top talent agency I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: think that they are jumping on board and telling him
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the types of content that he should be sharing focusing
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: particularly on his struggles with his mental health do you
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: think that the two mats are just waiting for Grayson
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to come over and join them like their their little
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: club that they fought I mean I think the door
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: would be open in saying that I hope that Grayson
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't come out of the relationship like Matt Sikowsky has
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: feeling you know mentally impacted by it there was a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: lot of chatter a couple of weeks ago about Tammy
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: jumping on the happy hour podcast and sort of giving
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a bit of a tell all on what actually went
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: down behind the scenes. I am putting it out there.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: If the two mats would like to appear. on Outspoken
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and give their side of events, we'd love to have
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: them on.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Might have to get it legal first. I mean, we
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: might have to have a fuck ton of money put
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: behind that episode for legal fees. I feel like you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: guys would feel so uncomfortable. I would feel uncomfortable. Especially you, Kate,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the amount you have been talking about Tammy and Matt.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got my PhD on their relationship.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I was. the one behind the deep dive. So, I mean, yes,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it would be quite uncomfortable. Just to wrap this segment up,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: we need to talk about Tammy Hembrough and her new boyfriend,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Grayson T. Moana, on the red carpet of the Lion
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: King musical premiere in Sydney. Let me guess, they were
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: all over each other. No, hold on. She literally looked
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like Pamela Anderson from the 90s. Like, A few people
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: in the comment section were saying, hold on a second,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I had to do a double take. I thought this
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: was a throwback photo to the 90s. It looked like one,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: didn't it? Why were they so dressed up for The
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Lion King? That's what I want to know. I get it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a movie premiere, but it was
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like it was taken so seriously.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: It's a photo op, Sophie.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I mean. Wait, you know it's a musical. It's not
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the movie The Lion King. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it's a musical. I'm just saying like they were dressed
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to the absolute nines for this premiere.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It was a red carpet event.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And Amy, to your question, yes, they were literally making
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  Speaker 1: out in front of the paparazzi as we've come to expect.
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  Speaker 1: Can I point out, Sophie, this isn't the Marion Megaplex
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  Speaker 1: that has the red carpet and some of the people
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  Speaker 1: from the media come down in their trackie dacks.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It was just so serious.
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  Speaker 1: It was like it was the Brownlow or something. Well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was the look that she was going to
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  Speaker 1: wear to the Brownlow with Bailey Smith. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was Olivia's ex-bestie styled by Bloom, Paul Versace, who
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  Speaker 1: dressed her and they seem to be very close at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. Sophie, are you really shocked that they would
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  Speaker 1: be this dressed up? I'm sorry, but these two are
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  Speaker 1: the most attention-seeking couple I've ever seen on TikTok and
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  Speaker 1: I mean that with full respect to you guys. That's
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  Speaker 1: their job to get attention. Exactly. Tammy, you know how
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  Speaker 1: to use TikTok and you're doing a good job. Well,
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