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Ep. 81 She Left Her Car Running... Then Vanished | The Paige Renkoski Case · Weeknight Mysteries Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Weeknight Mysteries podcast. My name is Juras,
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  Speaker 1: I am your host and I'm here with the co-host
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  Speaker 1: Rain who is joining me here as always. How are
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  Speaker 1: you today?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty good as always. How are you today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. Before we get going, I would
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  Speaker 1: So today we have a case that I ran into
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  Speaker 1: some time ago. I think I I had this case
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  Speaker 1: listed down for myself for at least a few weeks now.
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  Speaker 1: The topic of the day is the strange disappearance and
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  Speaker 1: presumed murder of 30-year-old Paige Rankowski from Michigan. She has
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  Speaker 1: disappeared in 1990. May 24th this was a Thursday her
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  Speaker 1: case is pretty interesting because we have this you know
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  Speaker 1: young woman who was seemingly having a regular run-of-the-mill Thursday
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  Speaker 1: nothing too special but at some point during the day
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  Speaker 1: as she was driving on the highway in Michigan She
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  Speaker 1: made a stop on the side of the highway. Why
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  Speaker 1: exactly she stopped is unknown. And what happened next is
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  Speaker 1: that it seems that there was another car that approached Paige.
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  Speaker 1: And there are multiple reports of men, multiple men. Some
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  Speaker 1: reports are saying there was only one man. interacting with
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  Speaker 1: Paige on that highway, on the side of the highway.
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  Speaker 1: Several hours later, Paige's vehicle was found still there. However,
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  Speaker 1: there was no signs of Paige, nor the men that
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  Speaker 1: she was interacting with on the side of the road,
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  Speaker 1: and the minivan that had parked right next to her.
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  Speaker 1: Ever since then, there has been no news about Paige,
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  Speaker 1: We have a recent development in Paige's case. We have another,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, already charged killer that police are trying to
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  Speaker 1: connect with Paige's disappearance. The problem there is that the
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  Speaker 1: connection seems to be circumstantial from Paige. what is publicly
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  Speaker 1: available there doesn't seem to be a some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a dna connection.
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  Speaker 2: No concrete evidence basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no concrete evidence as far as we know and
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  Speaker 1: on top of that the killer that is i believe
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  Speaker 1: police are trying to to connect or find some sort
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  Speaker 1: of a connection as of late doesn't really match the
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  Speaker 1: description of the men that were seen talking with page
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  Speaker 1: at the time when she went missing so we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go over this case we have things to kind of
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  Speaker 1: look at and discuss before we get going i always
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  Speaker 1: ask you rain uh what jumped out to you in
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  Speaker 1: this case uh before i kind of get my notes
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  Speaker 1: here and then we get going the fact that.
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  Speaker 3: It seems so simple but it's still unsolved because you
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  Speaker 3: know we have some cases we're in at the surface level.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like it's already, like, there are things happening there.
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  Speaker 2: But there are some.
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  Speaker 3: Cases where it feels like it's such a simple, it
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  Speaker 3: seems like a simple case that should have been solved
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  Speaker 3: a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: It does seem that this case has a lot of different.
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  Speaker 3: Suspects.
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  Speaker 1: And I read the Wikipedia. Wikipedia even states that there
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  Speaker 1: were six suspects in total that police were considering. And
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  Speaker 1: one of them apparently maybe more so than others at
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  Speaker 1: the time, it was some sort of a guy who
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  Speaker 1: apparently was murdered himself in the late nineties in Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: And he drove a similar car to the one that
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  Speaker 1: was seen parked next to pages car on that highway.
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  Speaker 1: So we do have a lot of different clues and, um,
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  Speaker 1: I think you have a good point.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's kind of like, it reminds me a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of our previous case, our previous episode.
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  Speaker 2: Grandpa Patrick, remember?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick Carnes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, it's like his car was found in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of nowhere. It could have been natural causes. It could
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  Speaker 3: have been this, could have been that. But it seems
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  Speaker 3: quite simple in a way. It doesn't seem as complex
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  Speaker 3: as Ray Rivera. um yeah like there's so many strings
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  Speaker 3: involved it feels like page was just i don't know
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  Speaker 3: from the surface level as i said feels like she
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  Speaker 3: was just having a regular day until boom.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it does seem that page was having a pretty
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  Speaker 1: regular day to be honest from my research it does
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  Speaker 1: sound like she wasn't it wasn't some sort of you know.
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  Speaker 3: Like she was hiding secrets and meeting secret lovers and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Like that yeah In Ray's case, there was a bunch of.
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  Speaker 2: Like underlying secrets.
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  Speaker 1: Notes that he left. You know, like him apparently acting
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  Speaker 1: strange in the park. And Patrick Karnes, our last week's case,
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  Speaker 1: also seemed very straightforward.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At least at the surface level, it's a guy... Who was.
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  Speaker 2: Just driving to see his family on the other side
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  Speaker 2: of America.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was coming back home. With his dog. It
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  Speaker 1: is also interesting for me because this case, just like
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  Speaker 1: Patrick's case, both cases involve the victim leaving the car
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  Speaker 1: unattended close to a highway. Just in a different part
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  Speaker 1: of America, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Are some highways more dangerous than the others then?
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  Speaker 1: I definitely think there's different danger levels on highways. I mean...
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  Speaker 1: We will get into it, but, um, it does seem
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  Speaker 1: to me that this particular highway I-96, I read some
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  Speaker 1: information online, apparently back in the day, there was, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there was this interesting, uh, and very like terrible, uh,
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  Speaker 1: strategy that the culprits would be doing, uh, like maybe
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  Speaker 1: pretending to be police officers with fake badges. and trying to,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, either abduct people or, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of criminal activity would be taking place. So
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  Speaker 1: let's kind of get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go for it.
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  Speaker 1: So once again, let me reiterate some of the details here.
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  Speaker 1: Paige Mary Rankoski, she was 30, and at the time
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  Speaker 1: of her disappearance, she was working as a substitute school teacher.
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  Speaker 1: She was living in the... Okemos, Lansing area in Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: This area is not necessarily immediately next to Detroit, but it's,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, not that far away. And I also
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  Speaker 1: have seen a mention that she apparently was living in
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  Speaker 1: the small town called DeWitt. So it is kind of
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  Speaker 1: hard to understand exactly where she was from, but apparently
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  Speaker 1: she was from that Okemos area. lansing area in michigan
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  Speaker 1: she went missing on may 24th 1990 this was a
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  Speaker 1: thursday and uh her disappearance is apparently one of michigan's
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  Speaker 1: longest running cold cases we have several images of uh
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  Speaker 1: page i think you've seen page i know you have
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  Speaker 1: a technical difficulty with a file so you could just
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  Speaker 1: maybe google page uh rankowski i think she looks uh
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  Speaker 1: like uh.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, she's Caucasian with blonde hair and blue eyes. And
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  Speaker 3: she looked like she has a very, very kind face.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she kind of looks to me like a really
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  Speaker 1: nice teacher. You know, the one that.
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  Speaker 2: She also has a teacher vibe, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: She has a teacher vibe. She has the vibe that
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  Speaker 1: she would help you.
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  Speaker 2: A kind teacher.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all had seen some teachers like this
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  Speaker 1: growing up. So she was last seen talking to two
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  Speaker 1: men on the shoulder of Interstate 96. This... Interstate 96
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  Speaker 1: area where she was seen was actually right next to
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  Speaker 1: the exit that would lead to the city of Fowlerville, Fowlerville.
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  Speaker 1: So Fowlerville in Michigan, it's kind of like getting close
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  Speaker 1: to that Okemos landing area. And for some reason, she
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  Speaker 1: just stopped there. I said two men that she was
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  Speaker 1: seen talking with, To be honest, we don't really know
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  Speaker 1: exactly how many. Two men is what is described on Wikipedia,
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  Speaker 1: so that's what I was going with here. Her vehicle
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  Speaker 1: was reported abandoned the same day on that same area
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  Speaker 1: where she stopped on I-96 highway. The responding officers discovered
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle, and when they looked at it, it was
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  Speaker 1: still running. Apparently, the engine was still running, which was
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  Speaker 1: very interesting. When they opened the door, because I believe
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  Speaker 1: the door was unlocked, they saw that her purse and
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  Speaker 1: the shoes were still in the vehicle. I think her
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  Speaker 1: purse was even open to the point where her wallet
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  Speaker 1: was visible. I don't know if you have information whether
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  Speaker 1: or not anything was stolen, but it does seem that
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  Speaker 1: there was no damage to the car. And the police
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  Speaker 1: initially only processed this as an abandoned vehicle. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: immediately start a missing persons disappearance. Apparently, it wasn't concerning
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  Speaker 1: enough for them to decide to act immediately. They just
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  Speaker 1: towed Paige's car. It wasn't really her car. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was her mother's car. We're going to get into that.
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  Speaker 1: how she ended up driving her mother's car in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Can we talk about, well, maybe in a bit, how
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  Speaker 3: the police officers thought it was nothing? Who would abandon
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  Speaker 3: their car in the middle of the highway?
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  Speaker 1: For me, I also was thinking that this is very strange.
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  Speaker 1: But then I remember reading more about this case. And
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  Speaker 1: the more I read about Paige's case, the more I
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  Speaker 1: kind of was able to justify the police logic here.
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  Speaker 1: Because to me, it seems that Okay, there is a car.
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  Speaker 2: With the engine turned on.
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  Speaker 1: The engine is turned on. It's kind of there idling.
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  Speaker 1: The shoes are there. But I was thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it does look suspicious. But I feel like if
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  Speaker 1: you're a cop and you deal with a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: these abandoned vehicles, if you're like a road cop, I
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  Speaker 1: just assume, you know, maybe this would be on the
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  Speaker 1: more suspicious side. end of the abandoned vehicles but maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's not something you haven't seen before do you know
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  Speaker 1: what i mean yeah maybe it's definitely more suspicious than just.
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  Speaker 3: A random raggedy already old rusty abandoned vehicle in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly and also it's not like they didn't do anything
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  Speaker 1: from what i researched what they actually did is they
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  Speaker 1: found out who it belonged so they found out that
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  Speaker 1: the car belonged to Paige's mother, and they actually made
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  Speaker 1: a phone call to Paige's mother's phone. But Paige's mother,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to kind of mention this in a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: she was already in a different city. She was actually
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia. And actually, Paige was the one who
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  Speaker 1: dropped her off in the airport in Detroit so she
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  Speaker 1: could fly to Atlanta that day because apparently... Paige's mother's
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  Speaker 1: other daughters, so Paige's sisters, were actually two sisters, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: were living in Georgia at the time. So she was
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  Speaker 1: kind of out visiting them. So police called, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the mother's phone, but no one picked up. So they
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  Speaker 1: left her a voice message. So they did something.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just concerned at the time, you know, because at
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  Speaker 3: the time they found the vehicle with engine on, with
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  Speaker 3: everything there. And then the time it took for it
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  Speaker 3: to be towed, the time it took for them to
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  Speaker 3: find out who it belongs to, in that span, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things could have happened immediately already.
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking right now. You mean from the time that they.
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  Speaker 3: For example, Paige was already abducted and then, let's say,
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  Speaker 3: half an hour, the police found her car.
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  Speaker 2: And then it took them like two hours to have
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  Speaker 2: it towed.
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  Speaker 3: It took them Five hours to have the vehicle identified
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  Speaker 3: who it belonged to.
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  Speaker 2: Additional five hours to contact Paige's mother. So many things
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  Speaker 2: could have happened already.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, in terms of Paige being in danger?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. I agree with that. Paige was definitely, by
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  Speaker 1: the sound of it, in danger. And unfortunately, I believe
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  Speaker 1: there's even a chance that she might not even be
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  Speaker 1: alive at the time when police found her vehicle. which
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  Speaker 1: was just hours after she was last seen. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that unfortunately something bad could have happened to her
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  Speaker 1: quite soon after she was last seen on that highway.
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  Speaker 1: Paige was born on February 2nd in 1960. She was
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  Speaker 1: 30 years old when she vanished. She grew up in
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  Speaker 1: Michigan and she had three sisters apparently. Her childhood friend
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  Speaker 1: described her as the creative one in their friend group.
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  Speaker 1: While she was in high school, she saved up for
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  Speaker 1: a car by babysitting and modeling for bridal shows in town.
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  Speaker 1: She graduated from high school in 1978 and at that
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  Speaker 1: point she was not sure what she wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: with her life. She ended up working various odd jobs
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  Speaker 1: and finally decided to pursue a career in teachings. She
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  Speaker 1: got a degree in childhood development in 1990, and this
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  Speaker 1: was the same year when she went missing, apparently, and
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  Speaker 1: she was happily working at the time as a substitute
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  Speaker 1: teacher in a school in Lansing, Michigan. She told friends
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  Speaker 1: that her dream was actually to open a daycare center
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  Speaker 1: of her own one day. Her parents had gone through
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  Speaker 1: a rough divorce at some point during her life. Her
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  Speaker 1: personal love life was reportedly not very stable. We only
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  Speaker 1: have information, I believe, about her, you know, fiancé at
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  Speaker 1: the time. And also the information is quite vague. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: they loved each other, but it was... Apparently they were
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  Speaker 1: very hot-headed also, whatever that means.
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  Speaker 2: Is it safe to say that the husband doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: anything to do with it?
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  Speaker 1: I would say it's probably safe to say, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know because.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have much information about him, I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 1: So we actually, in this case, we have quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit of information about Paige's fiancé at the time of
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance, who was a guy by the name of
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  Speaker 1: Steve Deborah Bander. Steve Deborah Bander. Actually, Steve Deborah Bander,
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  Speaker 1: if you Google his name, then he immediately pops up.
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  Speaker 1: And it's no confusing who it is because there's a
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  Speaker 1: LinkedIn profile of a guy from Lansing. And we even
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  Speaker 1: have some information about him. I might mention some more
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  Speaker 1: information later on, but to me it seems that he
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  Speaker 1: looks like a solid professional working in the state... environment
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  Speaker 1: preservation area, something like that. And he is running his
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  Speaker 1: own business at the time, which you could also find
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  Speaker 1: pretty easily. You just have to Google him. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe his business, which he has been running for decades now,
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  Speaker 1: involves him advising potential home builders on different dune locations, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sand dunes. and whether or not it is
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  Speaker 1: safe to build a structure on this thing. He does
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  Speaker 1: an interesting job. He is sort of a very experienced
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  Speaker 1: environmental guy. I don't know exactly what he does, but
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  Speaker 1: he does seem like he has been in that space
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  Speaker 1: for decades. And he actually was already working in that
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  Speaker 1: space at the time of Paige's disappearance. So this is
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  Speaker 1: his life work, essentially. So he looks like a solid guy.
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  Speaker 1: And if he somehow is responsible for Paige's disappearance, well,
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  Speaker 1: then I would say he hid it pretty well because
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  Speaker 1: now I was able even to find Steve's Facebook. And
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  Speaker 1: on the Facebook, he is, you know, posting up his grandchildren.
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  Speaker 1: He's just posted up at the beach with his grandchildren.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like a regular guy.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like a regular guy. Obviously, anything is possible, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? But I would say that if
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  Speaker 1: he is.
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  Speaker 2: Seems unlikely, though.
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  Speaker 1: Seems unlikely. Seems that he has been living a regular
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  Speaker 1: life ever since the disappearance. I also have some reports
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  Speaker 1: that he was badly affected by his fiancée' s disappearance back
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  Speaker 1: in 1990 when it happened. Um... So yeah, once again,
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  Speaker 1: her parents went to a divorce. Her love life was
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  Speaker 1: also kind of not very stable. Another issue that she
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  Speaker 1: ran into in her life was when she was working
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  Speaker 1: at an outdoor fair. I think this was one of
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  Speaker 1: her other jobs. And there was a grease fire that
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  Speaker 1: broke out nearby, whatever that means. And this grease fire
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  Speaker 1: caused her to suffer severe burns on her arms and knees.
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  Speaker 1: It took months for her to recover and resume her
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  Speaker 1: normal life. I believe she even has something... That's painful.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't grease fire about oil being heated and then the
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  Speaker 3: oil igniting?
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  Speaker 1: I believe so. And I think that she had something
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: done to her knees. Some sort of things were put
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in there, like metallic things. I think we could get
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  Speaker 1: into it in a little bit. But basically, her remains...
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: apparently would be easily identifiable due to this particular surgery
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  Speaker 1: that she had on her knee. It would make her
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  Speaker 1: remains easy to identify because it's, you know, a very
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  Speaker 1: unique procedure that was done there. In 1987, this is
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  Speaker 1: three years before she went missing, she met her fiancé, Steve,
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  Speaker 1: and they met at the MSU office. hockey game msu
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  Speaker 1: i believe is michigan state university so michigan state university
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  Speaker 1: has a really big i think uh sports community i
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  Speaker 1: mean even i know about it like the spartans yeah
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  Speaker 1: apparently it's a big deal especially in michigan they have
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  Speaker 1: like a very good football team basketball hockey i think
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  Speaker 1: everything they're doing there so and and um if you
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  Speaker 1: google steve You know, Steve is rocking the Spartan stuff
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  Speaker 1: on his Facebook. So he's so, you know, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure we have the same Steve here. The couple, after
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: they met, soon moved in together and got engaged. And
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  Speaker 1: they were living in Lansing at the time of the disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: According to our Reddit post, I found information that apparently
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  Speaker 1: they were apart. Both passionate people who disagreed loudly and often,
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  Speaker 1: but they were still eagerly planning their wedding and it
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to happen that same year in November.
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  Speaker 2: I love how it was written in the way it's
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  Speaker 2: like kind of good. Both passionate people. Sounds like I
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  Speaker 2: could write it in my LinkedIn profile.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely sounds.
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  Speaker 2: Like What was the sentence again?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: They were both passionate people who disagreed loudly and often.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a good beer at the end of LinkedIn.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me it seems like trying to make something
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not super great sound pretty okay.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Pretty normal.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: But it's okay. I think it's just a couple thing maybe.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's... In a way that they
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: want to kill each.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Other, no? Yeah, so... The relationship between Paige and Steve
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: is mentioned very strangely. It's like some sort of secret.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: To me, from my research, it always felt like there's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: something more that's not being told. But that's just my opinion.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Paige was working as a preschool aide... while she pursued
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a degree in early childhood development at the time. So,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Paige went missing on May 24th in 1990. Again, this
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: was a Thursday. Her day started out when she was
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: actually driving her mother, Ardis, her mother's name was very unique,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Ardis Rankowski, to the Detroit Metropolitan Airport, And apparently this
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: happened at around 11.30 a.m. on the first part of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the day. So Thursday is still a work day in May.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she was working or not, but
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: by the sound of it, she's not working on this
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: particular Thursday. And I know that the Friday, I read
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: somewhere that the Friday was actually going to be a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: national holiday, May 25th. May 25th, is this an American
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: national holiday?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Let me quickly... Try to find that out.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Or for some reason, maybe it's just in the school.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You know, who knows? May 25th. Let's see what you
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: got here.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: May 25th marks several notable holidays and observances worldwide, including
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Memorial Day in the United States.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So it was the... What is a memorial? I keep
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: hearing this Memorial Weekend. It's a thing, I think, in America. Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: It's a federal holiday in the United States for mourning
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the U.S. military personnel who died while serving the U.S.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Armed Forces.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It is observed on the last Monday of May.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Last Monday?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, but this was.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Every last Monday.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me try again. Memorial Day... What was the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: date again?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: 1990.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: No, the actual day.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: May 25th would be the.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: May 25th.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Would be the Friday that was apparently a free day.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I just vaguely remember reading this.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Ah, weekend span. May 25th to 28th.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's like a long week. This is when
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: they probably called that Memorial Weekend. Because I heard this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: term a million times. I just have no idea what
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that means. But I guess now we know.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: So.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: We know that that was going to be a date.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So Ardis, she was actually flying to Atlanta to visit
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: her other daughters. And Paige was driving her to the airport.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: After she dropped off her mother at the airport, she
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: actually went and visited a schoolmate, a former high school mate, female.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: who was living in Canton, Michigan. It's kind of close
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to Detroit, this location, so she didn't have to drive
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: far away. Apparently, she spent an hour or two there. Apparently,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: on the visit, Paige seemed normal and pleasant. Paige talked
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: about her fiancé, Steve... But we don't really know exactly
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: what she talked about Steve. I don't know if there
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: was some weirdness happening or was it just a regular conversation.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And that same evening, she was apparently supposed to meet
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Steve and friends to watch his softball game. He was
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: part of some softball team and he was playing that day.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It was also the Thursday before the long weekend and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Paige was excited about the holidays. The name of this
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: friend that Paige was visiting in Canton, Michigan, was not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: released by police. We know that this was a former classmate,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and this friend is a female, and they are the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: last people to have seen Paige alive. Paige left her
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: friend in Canton at around 2.30 p.m. that same day,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and now she was planning to head back to Okemos
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Lansing area, where she was living, eventually to meet up
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: with Steve and watch him play the softball game. So
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: this was supposed to be the plan and she was
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: leaving at 2.30 to do so. Before getting back on
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the highway, she actually stopped at a liquor store. So
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: she went to a liquor store and it is reported
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that she bought the 40 ounce of beer as well
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: as a magazine 40 ounce of beer is like this
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: big bottle of beer in america and apparently it is
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: pretty popular there um so she also bought a magazine.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And seems like a regular purchase.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Seems like a pretty regular purchase this took between 2
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: 30 p.m and 2 45 p.m The female clerk at
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the liquor store named Judy remembered this interaction because she
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: liked the beaded necklace that Paige was wearing and even
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: complimented her on it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Is it the same one she had on in the pictures?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Because it is quite noticeable.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Wait, let me check. Oh yeah, I can see her
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: with this beaded necklace.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good catch.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Because that was the first thing I noticed. In every
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: picture that she has, she's always wearing... Oh.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Not every picture, but there were a few pictures of her.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: If you Google her, she's wearing this massive beaded necklace.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It looks green, right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, easily identifiable.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Ah, this makes a lot of sense then. So this
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: actually helped a lot to law enforcement because they were
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: able to build a timeline. After she left the store
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: liquor store she went back to her car and got
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: on the road so the car that she was driving
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: was a 1986 oldsmobile cutlass calais and it is a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: two-door coupe vehicle i would describe it's an old school
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: coupe from America, two dwarves by the looks of it
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: from the pictures that we have here, and we suspect
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that what she did was she actually opened up the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: bottle of beer in the car, and she actually poured
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: some of it into a fast food cup, and then
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: she secured the top of the beer bottle, and she
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: got into the highway, so I think she was sipping
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit of beer on the drive which is
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: not a good idea but this was probably what she was.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Doing but she i doubt that she was intoxicated so.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: We don't really know in that one bottle of i
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: don't know if it depends man it depends.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: It depends on how much alcohol percentage are we talking.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: About it also depends on who's drinking true um Now,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: we move to the next part, which is the biggest
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: mystery in this case, is when Paige apparently pulls over
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: her car. So, after 30 minutes of driving on the road,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Paige actually pulled off the highway. And she at one
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: point apparently went to a rest area where she used
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the bathrooms. And there was even a witness at this
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: particular bathroom. This is happening before, you know, the situation
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: with the two men on the highway. This is another
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: break before that happened. So as she was pulled into
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: this rest area, another witness saw Paige. And they noted
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that she was actually speaking with a man at the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: rest stop. The interaction apparently was brief and neutral, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it didn't seem threatening or concerning to the witness. We
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: don't know who this man is, and this man never
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: came up ever again. At around 3.30 p.m., she pulled
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: off the car to the side of the I-96 highway.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: So this is the time when she was last seen alive,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I believe. She was about 100 yards away. which would
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: be around 90 meters, so let's say around 100 meters
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: from the exit from the highway that would lead to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the city called Favlerville. So from my research, I didn't
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: find any connection that Page had to Favlerville. So the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: reason why Page.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Stopped here is a complete mystery there is no reason
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: for her to stop here because her car apparently was
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: fully operational this is where a lot of theories come
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: in that suspect that she was actually somehow coerced by
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: another driver who made her stop for some reason i've
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: read a A Reddit post that has a bit more
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: information about this whole situation, so let me quickly read
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: out what I found here. Apparently, eight separate passerby people
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: remember Silver Oldsmobile on the side of the road, as
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: well as a tall blonde woman with a white shirt
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and brightly patterned pants standing next to it. This was
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: definitely Paige, because she was wearing those pants. The passerby
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: people mentioned a maroon GM or Chrysler minivan also on
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the shoulder of the road and near Paige's vehicle. Some
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: eyewitnesses say that she was talking to two African-American men,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: gesturing and throwing her hands up in the air as
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: if she was agitated. Some witnesses only remember one man.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Others do not mention seeing anyone else besides Paige. At
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: around 4 p.m., one eyewitness saw Paige, the Oldsmobile, and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the single African-American man talking on the side of the road.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: This same guy, three hours later, was driving back on
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the other side of the highway, but now they saw
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that car again. Three hours later, it had not moved,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: but at this time, the passerby did not see anyone
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: else or the maroon minivan at the scene. So he
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: actually called the police to report the strange vehicle that's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: not moving on the highway. Police arrived on the scene
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and they found the car empty and unlocked with all
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the lights on and the keys still in the ignition.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: That's so suspicious. Like you just know something bad happened, no?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It feels suspicious, but I'm also trying to put myself
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: in the shoes of a police guy who does this
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: all day maybe you've seen this before a few times
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and it maybe really turned out to be nothing just.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Like maybe a person who went in the bushes to
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: you know do the number one or it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Could be like a stolen vehicle or you know maybe
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you've seen this before and and maybe it's not maybe
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: you have a full day scheduled And.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: It's not as grave as Paige.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there wasn't any damage on it. There wasn't
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: any blood in the car. So I guess I could
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: justify the police not immediately jumping in on this conclusion
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that someone's about to get killed. Maybe, you know?
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It's just really striking for me that her shoes were
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: still there.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, her shoes were still there. In the front seat,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: on the floor of the front seat of the car.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Basically, she was driving barefoot?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming. It is assumed that she was actually taking
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: off her shoes as she was driving. Apparently, people do this,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: so it's not super strange. So, the car engine was
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: idling and apparently the radio was playing quietly. On the
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: passenger seat... was Paige's open purse with her wallet visible.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Once again, we don't have any information from what I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: can see, if anything was stolen there. By the brake pedal,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: there was a pair of cream-colored shoes, which Paige had
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: worn that day. There was no damage to the car,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and the police did not process the car as a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: crime scene, despite the troubling evidence. Instead, the officers turned
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: off the car, locked the doors, and tagged it with
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a date that the car would be towed, if not
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: removed by the owner. Despite the car being in perfect
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: working condition, the officers later recalled they assumed the car
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: had broken down for some reason. So this was the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: assumption by the police officers. Okay, we're back from a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: little break that people didn't even notice. And we're going
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to jump back into the case. So right now we
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: want to progress this conversation. We're going to talk about
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the other details that were left or not left, but
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: what people reported seeing. So one thing about Paige's case
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: is that there's different sources describing different things. One thing
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that I found that those sources focused on is that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Paige apparently was barefoot as she exited the car. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: we suspect this because her shoes were left by the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: brake pedal when the police found the vehicle. It is
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: pretty strange to me and I think to some other
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: people online why exactly Paige left the car. Without the shoes.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So why were the shoes found? Why was she standing,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: potentially talking to other people without the shoes?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I have a hunch.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Really quickly.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: It was some sort of like, maybe the culprit was
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: pressing her or there was some sort of confrontation, argument whatsoever.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So to me, the fact that the shoes are off
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: It was quick.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It was abrupt, no?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It was quick. It was some sort of a stressful moment.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I could see that happening, yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That she's not putting the shoes back on.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Or it's just an in-and-out situation. Maybe there was a
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: guy in front of her and she probably was like, okay,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: let me deal with this guy really quickly.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Stepped out with the intention of stepping back in in
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: like a few seconds, a few minutes.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And she never came back for those shoes.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Reports vary on what happened next after she got out,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: but the consensus seems to be that there was a
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: man or multiple men, possibly in a burgundy minivan or
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a maroon-colored minivan that stopped behind Paige's car on the freeway.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: According to a Wikipedia article on this case, Paige was
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: last seen on the shoulder of Interstate 96 near Favlerville.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: She was talking to two African-American men who were standing
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: next to a maroon-colored minivan. However, according to Charlie Project,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a different source, there may have been a third man
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in or near the van. Also from the Charlie Project,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: sketches of six suspects, six suspects, okay, in Paige's disappearance
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: are posted with the case summary. None of these suspects
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: have ever been identified, but Valpley is now suspected in
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: her case. So this is where the case, in my opinion,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: becomes a little bit confusing because we have... Some sources,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: some witnesses apparently saying they only saw Paige alone standing there.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: If she's alone standing there, why is she not wearing
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: her shoes?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Some sources say that or witnesses that there was one man,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: two men, maybe up to three men. And on Charlie
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Project website, we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I see seven men. sketches of what seems to be,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: by the looks of it, African-American men. And there are
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: seven sketches. And these sketches are varying. Some of them
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: have a mustache. Some of them have no mustache. The
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: haircuts are different. The facial structure is different. One sketch
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: even has a man with eyeglasses. So I don't know
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what's happening. It feels... This is a very confusing moment
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: This is actually one of those cases where the eyewitnesses
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: kind of makes it more complicated.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Because who are we going to believe?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's good that we have these eyewitnesses because....
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: At least we have something to start with.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Start with. But to me, overwhelmingly, looks like there are
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: reports of this red... maroon colored minivan that's a fact
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: that looks like a concrete fact and it also feels
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to me like a fact that or at least it
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: seems to be reported that african-american men i don't know
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: how many are also in and around this minivan and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: some reports even say that page is talking to some
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: of them so this is a very uh Yeah, this
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: is an interesting case so far. There were two reports
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: made by witnesses that were passing by on the highway.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: One witness said that a man, possibly black or Latino,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: had Paige by the elbow and was guiding her to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the van. So this is definitely a very suspicious scene,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: if it's real. Another witness, a member of law enforcement
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: who was off-duty, saw a man, possibly black or Latino,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: so similar description, standing in front of the gray cutlass
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: car with his arm outstretched. This particular off-duty guy was
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: heading home and he said that his impression of the scene,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: this is a police officer who's not working at the time,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: he's just going home. His impression is that that the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: man in front of Paige's car was a plainclothes off-duty cop.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And he was showing Paige a badge in his outstretched hand. Oh,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: is this where.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Because I briefly read that there were fake cops.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: No? So I guess this would play in.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: This would play in?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Play into the fake cops... Theory. Theory. According to Wikipedia...
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to witnesses, Paige seemed upset. And one of the men
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: was putting his hand on her shoulder as if to
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: comfort her. So this is very different from other sources.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Wikipedia says that apparently it was all good. Paige's sister, Michelle,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the one that was, I believe, living in Atlanta, she
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: said that around 3 p.m., her sister pulled over just
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: 50 yards before the Fowlerville exit and Michelle said there
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: was nothing wrong with her car. It's mind-boggling why she
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: would stop. Michelle also said that she could not understand
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: why her sister would pull over in the first place
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in this location. She said that Paige was not known
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to pull over for a stranger, even if someone staged
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: an accident. So she suspects that Or I don't know
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: if she suspected, but maybe, maybe this could be someone
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that Paige actually knew who made her stop the car.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Since the case began, a working theory has been that
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: someone got Paige to pull over by showing them their
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: fake police badge. Or it could be a real police badge.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a crooked cop. To Paige, this is the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: biggest question. Sorry, to Michelle, this is the biggest question.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: How did someone got Paige to pull over? The only
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: thing that makes sense is if someone is pretending to
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: be law enforcement, flashing a badge. This is what Michelle said, actually,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to the media. She also said she would have never
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: picked up a hitchhiker. And if something was wrong, why
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: not just get off at the exit? From day one,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that's been the story. So I think Michelle is making
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: some good points here.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but is there a possibility that whatever happened in
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: that highway frustrated Paige so much that when the culprits
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: pulled over.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: She also had to confront them? Because someone said that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: she was very upset at that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Time, no?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just assuming maybe there's a possibility that the
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: culprits were tailing her or.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Are there any scratches in the car? Maybe they bumped
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: her or something.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: So you bring up a good point because you said,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: is there a chance that someone was following her for
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: some time? So some people are actually trying to connect
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the man that she was seen talking with earlier in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the rest stop. Oh, okay. There's also another line of thinking.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Another line of thinking is that this could be even
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: an earlier incident of someone witnessing Paige at the liquor store,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: then going back into her car and they would see
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that she poured some of that beer in her beer
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: cup and they just kept following her.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: I could see that happening, but someone already saw the interaction, right?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Someone already saw who Paige was talking to.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, but this man was never identified.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: But in a way, I'm just, I guess I'm just curious.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Was it somehow familiar to the guys that were the culprits?
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Meaning to say, who was this guy that she was
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: talking to?
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Was he racial wise? Was he Caucasian? Was he black?
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Was he Latino? Because that would make sense.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: We don't know. From what I'm aware. It wasn't mentioned
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: like the racial background of the guy that Paige was
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: talking to in the rest of the talk.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Because for some reason, if that description matches with the
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: other descriptions, then yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It could be the same guy.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: It could definitely be the same guy.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: But the red minivan, to be honest, was not mentioned
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: or seen before. Before the.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Anywhere, basically.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So it could be completely different things, or it could
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: be the same.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It could be. I think it's an interesting story. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: just think.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: It's... I need more information about it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: This would be a psycho killer. Yeah. Let's be real here.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: This would be a psycho killer.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Or killers.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a guy who talks to someone in a rest
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: stop And then keeps following them.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Following them.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And orders them out of the car. This is a
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: psycho killer. I would say even a bigger psycho killer
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: if it would be the guy from, like, hypothetical guy
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: who would have seen Paige at the liquor store and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: decide to follow her because he has a fake badge.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: This is a psycho killer.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: This wouldn't be the first time or the last time.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: This feels like someone who Definitely killed before.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And will kill after.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is definitely a psycho killer, in my opinion,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: if this is the case. So police, yeah, located her car.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And now let's talk a little bit about that part.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: So Paige was gone. from the location by around 4.15 p.m.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to 4.30 p.m. And I don't know exactly when the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: police arrived, but apparently it was some sort of a
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: county sheriff deputy. And I read previously that they arrived
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: at around 7 p.m., so that's what I'm going with.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: They found the car. They deemed it to be abandoned.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: It is not known if the deputy responding to the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: abandoned vehicle looked inside of it, and it's not known
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: if they actually seen that Paige's purse was open and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: her shoes were behind. Maybe this was something that made
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the officer think that it's less likely that she got abducted.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But to be honest, the officer did turn off the car,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: so he had to open the door. So if he,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: you know, turned off the car, he must have noticed that,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like there's a whole purse here. Yeah. And
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a pair of shoes by the brake pedal. So that
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily explain it to me. That this could be
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the reason why the police officer thought it's not that strange,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this scene. And Paige's car apparently was still in working
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: order and there were no issues whatsoever. nor was there
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: any blood or any kind of crime scene indications at
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the car, apparently. Robert Getchman, a cold case investigator in
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Livingston County, looking into Paige's case, told the Dateline there
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: was no damage to the vehicle at all, so it's
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: unclear why Paige stopped on the interstate that day. Apparently,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: this is still a big mystery. And Paige was last
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: seen wearing a white jacket, silk shirt with long beaded
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: necklace and silk patterned slacks. She has never been seen again.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: So police ran the tags and found that the vehicle,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: which was abandoned, belonged to Ardis Rankowski, which was, you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Paige's mother, who was in Atlanta at this time. They
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: left her a phone message. However, Ardis was not able
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: to receive it. since she was visiting her daughter, Michelle,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: in Georgia. Artis and Michelle were becoming concerned since they
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: had not heard from Paige for a few days, and
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: they called Steve. This is the part where I don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: really know how it played out, because to me it
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: seems that, okay, if they don't know that, you know, like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: what is Steve doing?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: So this is the point when I was, it didn't
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: make sense to me. What is Steve doing? So I
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly... How it kind of became aware that
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Paige was missing. But I found a source saying that
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: they called Steve after a couple of days of not
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: hearing from Paige. But it doesn't make any sense.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense that they have a couple of days,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: you meant?
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't Steve notice that his fiancée didn't show up to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: his softball game the same day?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I would be really concerned.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Immediately. So to me, it seems that something's off with
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the information here.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Or maybe they just weren't that kind of people.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: But they were living together.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Unless there was some sort of underlying fight.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was normal not to hear from.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: This is the only way that I could explain this.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And apparently, Steve went to Arda's home and listened to
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the voice message from... on Arda's home phone, and that's
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: when they realized that Paige was missing. So I don't
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: get it. The only way I could see it is
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that there was some huge fight between Paige and Steve. Otherwise,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Same here. There have been no sightings of Paige Jankowski
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: since May 24th, and her bank accounts were never accessed. So... Now,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the car itself. So
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: investigators found her car, but it was not processed as
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a crime scene. We already know this. Because the responding
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: officer considered it to be an abandoned vehicle. The car
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: had no damage and the door was unlocked. The car
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: was later towed. From NBC News, Colt Cates investigator Robert
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Getchman said for NBC News, There were some calls that
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: had came in around 3 o'clock on the 24th, a
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Thursday night, about the vehicle on the side of the road.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: So a deputy was sent out there. He got the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: vehicle towed, thinking there was no reason to be concerned,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: but that it was a little odd that the car
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was running with a person's side. investigator confirmed that no
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: evidence was collected at the time and the scene was
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: not originally processed as a crime scene. He told Dateline
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: that the deputy took the keys and found contact information
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in the purse. So they did see the purse. So
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: they left a voicemail message. Family says they can't understand
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: why the scene was not processed before the car was
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: towed since her shoes and purse were in the car.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and the car was running. When examining Paige's car, which
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I assume happened after they figured out that she was missing,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: police were actually able to find some fingerprints and palm prints. However,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: no match has yet been identified for these fingerprints and
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: palm prints. According to the Charlie Project, the keys were
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in the ignition, the lights and the radio were on,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the doors were unlocked, and the engine was idling. The
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: car was running and the windshield wipers were on due
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: to a rainstorm. Her shoes, purse, and the beer and
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: magazine that she purchased were still inside of the vehicle.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I know I'm repeating a lot of this information. I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: just pulled everything from different sources here.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: But everything matches from the initial information that we have.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, sort of it does. The headlights were also still on.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: It has been reported that no blood was found in
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the car, but investigators did recover palm prints and fingerprints,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: but I don't think these palm prints or fingerprints were
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: ever matched. Now, this is interesting because now we have
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: actually pictures of inside of the vehicle. I know you
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: can't pull up the file due to technical difficulties, but
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: what you could do, you could Google. You could Google
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Paige Rankoski.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Car.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Car. And you should be able, yeah. And you should, yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you see? You should be able to see what's in
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the car. We actually have the inside of the car.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I do see her shoes. Do you see the picture
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: with her shoes? Yes. And on the other side, there
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: seems to be her purse and some magazines there.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: And some paper bag. Paper bag and a paper cup
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: on the other side, no?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't look too... Two all over the place.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: It looks pretty regular to me. What do you think
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: about this crime scene? Would you find... Or, like, not
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: crime scene, but yeah. What do you think? Do you
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: think it's a suspicious interior? Definitely.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: The thing is, we're not cops, so I'm really... I'm
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: not sure how they were trained. But if, for example,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I would see this on.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: The side of a highway, I would think it's suspicious.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: But I also would think that maybe... the driver is
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: just somewhere within the area. So I think I would
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: just search first. And yeah, I just think it's suspicious,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: but maybe what the cop did actually makes sense because
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: he didn't really just call the tow truck. He actually
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: tried to look for someone to contact, no?
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I think you have a really good point here because
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: to me, it seems that, you know, it could be
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a situation where maybe the cop didn't think that Paige
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: is far away. Yeah. Or whoever was driving the car.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe they thought that.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: It was just a quick in and out because the
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: engine was turned on. Everything was turned on.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they thought that whoever went just abandoned it
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: for some reason.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: But then again, we're thinking not as cops, but maybe
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: they were trained to do some other thing and that
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: cop didn't do it.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this could be a cop that...
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: chose an easier day for themselves.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily it could be a case of a cop
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: being you know not the very best at this.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Because what i was trying to get at is do
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you think there is a chance that this does look
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: suspicious enough to maybe try to escalate but It's 7 p.m.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and you're getting tired and you're just locking up the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: car and just like.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, the cop did go inside and try to
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: find some contact information, so he was already dealing with it.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe this is not right.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I think maybe it could be a case of... What's
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for? Incompetency.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: You think so?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Could be.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Mainly because we as regular people, civilians, we already thought
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: it suspicious. I don't think it would be suspicious if
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: the engine was turned off and if the shoes are missing.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: But with the engine, with the radio on, with the
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: shoes over there, the purse, it just seems a little
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: too suspicious for me.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: As a regular person.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, like, sometimes... here we drive on
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: the highway we don't really see that many cars parked
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: yes but you know we're not on the highway every
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: day but.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Like if when we did i remember we did there
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: was this little triangle and there were people.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Around but it's always somehow notable yes so We could
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: move along here a little bit and talk about the fiancé.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, really quickly before we do that.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: It is always somehow notable to the point.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Where we would be like, oh, what is that car
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: doing there on the side?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: So as a cop, wouldn't it be just very suspicious
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: to just see a car on the side in the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: middle of the highway? Engine turned on, everything turned on,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: and you're like, maybe it's nothing.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: So to me, I feel like a cop may have
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: seen this before multiple times and have an experience knowing
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: that it turns out to be nothing.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: That could be the case too, yeah.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think every time they see this, it turns
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: into a missing person case.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Or a murder.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I think maybe even more often than not, it's.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe something minuscule.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Or less sinister.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: So we could talk a little bit about Steve, Steve
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Debra Bander, Steve Debra Bander. So once again, this is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Paige's fiance. We talked a bit about him. He was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: ruled out not just once, but several times over the years,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: whatever that means. According to a source, Steve is still
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: in contact with Paige's family and is not considered a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: suspect or person of interest in her case. From the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Wikipedia article, I read that at the time of her disappearance,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Paige was engaged but reportedly was having problems with her fiancé.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: The fiancé was ruled out. So I don't really know
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: what these problems were. This was never... specified. From the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Charlie project, I've read that the family members told investigators
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: that Paige may have been having problems with her fiancé
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: in May of 1990, specifically in May, specifically that month
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: was bad for some reason. But it is not believed
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that she would choose to voluntarily leave the area for
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that reason. And her fiancé has been ruled out as
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: a suspect. She had recently deposited a large sum of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: money in her bank account which was untouched following her disappearance.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: And she did not make any travel plans. But from this,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I will just say that to me, it starts to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: look more like there was something more happening between Paige
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and Steve than what is being described. Because you could
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: see these vague mentions about some sort of problems that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: we don't really get any further information like details. I agree.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: According to a Reddit post, I've read that Steve guessed
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: that someone must, this is Steve's apparently theory. He says
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: that someone must have flashed a badge in order to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: get Paige out of the car. Steve was particularly shocked
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: by his fiance's sudden disappearance. For more than two weeks
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: after Paige went missing, he stood by the area where
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: she disappeared, and scanned the roadside for any maroon vehicles,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: writing down as much of their license plate as he
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: could as they sped down the road. He said, I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: just can't stop until there's absolutely nothing left I can do.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: So if this is true, then Steve looks to be
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: a very heartbroken fiancé.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: And very troubled by what has happened. Now, this is
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: another thing that I found. This was a comment on Reddit. Okay,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: it was six months ago, was made six months ago,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: and I can't verify this, but this is apparently someone
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: claiming to have known Paige. This is a Reddit comment.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Someone says the new Paige. This is what they are saying.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Paige was my... This is AlternativeJaguar379, six months ago on Reddit.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: They're saying Paige was my friend. She was a sub...
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: at the daycare center. She was a sub at the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: daycare center. I worked at and we had begun to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: develop a good friendship. She was funny and really nice.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: The kids loved her. I spoke with detectives at the time.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: She was having some second thoughts about her fiancé and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: had left a letter she wrote to him on the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: shelf in my classroom. What? I was suspicious of him,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: but it seems he's been cleared. Another friend and I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: drove all over the region posting flyers. It was all-encompassing
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: and awful. I will never again see a maroon minivan
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: without thinking about it. If I checked in every several
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: months to see... Oh, sorry, I checked the... That's it,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the comment ends there. I really wish this would be solved.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: So this, to me, looks like a genuine comment.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: It feels like this could be a real person who
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: really knew Paige. And this is what they're saying. They're
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: saying that apparently Paige was having second thoughts about Steve
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: and that Paige left a letter she wrote to Steve
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: on the shelf of this commenter's classroom. Why leave it
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: on the classroom shelf And not give it to Steve.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: You write a letter to Steve, but you leave it
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: in the classroom?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, I could see this happening, easy.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe she wrote it during the day, and then she
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: left it on the shelf with the intention of grabbing
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: it at the end of the day, out of reach
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: of children's prying hands.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: But when was this letter written, though? I'm also thinking.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a good question. Unless it was opened
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: with a date.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: So if AlternativeJaguar379 is not lying on Reddit in the comments,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: then there is more weirdness between Steve and.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit suspicious, but I don't think Steve
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: is very suspicious, to be honest. I do think that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: maybe there was something more going on in the relationship
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: in a way that it's not as healthy or.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not as stable. But I don't think in
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: any way he was involved.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I don't know why we scrutinized
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Steve here for so long.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: No, no, we're just exploring another aspect of it, another possibility.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But I will agree with you that to me it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: seems that he is innocent because Steve apparently was spending
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: time helping with the search. And I think he probably
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: had an alibi, right? Didn't he have to play some softball?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that Paige was supposed to be in.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: The only weird thing about it is that she didn't
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: show up and he didn't report it immediately or got
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: worried immediately.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the only... But we don't know.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know. But this only kind of made
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: me think that their relationship is not as stable.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: As we think.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the indications are.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: The indication, yeah.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: So another very interesting thing that I wasn't able to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: substantiate that was written on Wikipedia, that apparently in 2009,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: detectives told reporters that they had six potential suspects. One
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: of them had been murdered in Detroit in 1990, nine
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: years after Paige went missing. Police did not release the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: suspect's name, but said that this man had a burgundy minivan.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: similar to the one witnesses saw on the day when
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Paige disappeared. So I did not find who this is.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: I could even maybe try to quickly make a Google
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: search here for us. Paige Rankonsky. Right. I don't know
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: if you ever ran into this particular... No, not this one. Apparently, 19...
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: suspect murdered in detroit suspect more there in detroit let's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: see if uh i could find anything but i somehow
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: doubt that it will pop up for me and uh
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I have a Reddit page here, but I don't think
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I see anything. Oh, I feel like I've even seen
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: this Reddit post. So to be honest, I can't find anything,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: what they're talking about.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't publicly disclosed?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Potentially, yeah. But apparently there was some person. So the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: police are looking into multiple, it seems like, avenues here.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Another thing that police focused on in 2011, so, you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: this is not that far away, just, you know, like, what,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: 15 years ago? They were searching a pond in Handy
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Township using a ground-penetrating radar system. a woman reported seeing
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: a pair of cement-covered boots in the area at the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: time of Paige's disappearance. So Handy Township is generally the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: district where the car was parked. I think it's close
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to that Fowlerville location. So there was another search... it
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: was a it happened in also 2011 november fbi and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: state and local police began digging operations in conway township
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: in search for page's remains cadaver dogs identified the site
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: a week before the dig started investigators went to the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: property after reviewing a 1999 case file which included the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: hand drawn map indicating page remains were buried there so
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: This is a lot to unpack, but this is what
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: it means. From what I can find online, it seems
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: that there was a handwritten map that was sent to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: police officers in 1991 via mail one year after Paige
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: went missing. And the map alleges the location where Paige's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: body could be found. There is also a letter attached
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: to the map in which the anonymous author claims they
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Paige's disappearance but they had
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: heard something and wanted to share it with officers. But
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: apparently this particular dig never led to anything. And what
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I also found interesting was that police ruled this case
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a homicide even though her body was never found and
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: no one has been charged with her disappearance or death
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: cold case investigators of the Livingston County Sheriff's Department continue
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: to work on the case. This is what was interesting.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: In 2025, last year, Lieutenant Matt Young of the Livingston
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: County cold case team stated that this case will be
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: solved on somebody who gives a deathbed confession or somebody
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: who is involved in the criminal justice system who wants
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: to make things right. It's not going to be something
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: that It's strictly solved based on the evidence that we
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: will still have today. It's going to be something that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: someone has to come forward and say they did it
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: or know who did it or somebody who happens across
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Page's body through construction of a new building or a
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: roadway or something like that. There are really the only
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: options we have left. So why this is interesting for
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: me because what Lieutenant Matt Young is saying is that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Someone from the criminal justice system who wants to make
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: things right. So is he saying that there's some shady
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: cops could have done this? Flash a badge and kill Paige?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: That's a possibility.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: So that seems like what they're saying. And this is
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: actually a good time because we already talked a lot
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: about all the details. This is, I think, where I
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: ran out a little bit of details, but we now
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: have possible progress in the case. So I'm going to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: throw out a name to you. I just want to
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: know if you ran across it. Buster Robbins. No. You
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: didn't run into Buster Robbins? So, okay, recently there was
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: an arrest made in the 1989 trial as a murder
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: of another woman, Beverly Vivel. Beverly Vivel, according to authorities,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: was murdered by a man named Buster Robbins because his
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: DNA was found on Beverly's body. Paige Rankonsky disappeared eight
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: months after Beverly was murdered. Investigators are trying to link Buster... Robbins,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: and Paige Rankonsky disappearance.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Did it happen within the area as well?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: At the time, Buster Robbins was driving a late model
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Chrysler New Yorker, which looked like an unmarked police vehicle.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Paige herself was the daughter of a former police officer,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: she would likely follow directions by someone pretending to be
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a police officer. Now we have more information on Buster Robbins.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: 70-year-old Buster Robbins, right now he was a young man
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: back in the day, but now he is 70, was
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: charged in the 1989 murder of a Canton Township woman.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: This is actually close. Canton Township woman is If you remember,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Canton Township is the same place where Paige went to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: see her former classmate after dropping her mother off in
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the airport. So Beverly Buell, the woman that it seems
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: that Buster Robbins definitely murdered her, she was from the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: same township as that classmate that Paige was visiting. Buster
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Robbins' attorney said that his client maintains his innocence. Beverly
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Vival's body was found along Godfredson Road in Superior Township.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: So it is kind of close to Canton Township. Her
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: car was located later in Griffin Park, also kind of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: in that same area. So this is where the cases
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: become similar because... her car was also found unlocked. There's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: a similar kind of... So what we know is that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago, I'm just reading from a news article,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the Washtenaw County Sheriff's Office said in a post on
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: its Facebook page that they had a break in the case.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Detectives reopened this investigation in 2022... And with the use
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: of current biological technology, they were able to develop a suspect,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: the post said. This is a testament to their dedication, perseverance,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: and commitment to justice. Though still under investigation, their hard
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: work will hopefully bring closure to this long-awaited case and
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: provide some peace to those affected. So according to the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: county prosecutor's office, Beverly Bewell was sleeping in her vehicle
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: in Canton Township after dropping her son off at school
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: when she was abducted, assayed, and shot. Her body was
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: discovered on the side of the road and her vehicle
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: was later found still running with the driver's door open
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: and her purse inside. DNA evidence from a R-kit. Okay,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: R-kit is like the... You know what it is. Apparently,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: they completed it in 1989, but they only tested for
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: genealogy in 2024. It's so crazy. It took them, I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: don't know why, maybe lack of technology or lack of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: funds or lack of resources, but it took them forever
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: to test DNA. But when they tested DNA, they found
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that the DNA linked to Buster Robbins of Almond, Michigan.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors confirmed that this guy, Robbins, and Beverly Beville, they
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: never knew of each other. During a motion hearing on
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: May 15th of 2025, so just a year ago, prosecutors
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: said that Buster should not be given bond as he
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: is under investigation for other cases, and CP was found
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: on his tablet. Defense requested that buster robbins to be
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: out on bond saying there's little to no evidence leading
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: to him being connected to beverly vivelle's murder the only
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: evidence would found leading to him being connected to her
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: murder is that his dna was found on her body
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: i mean that's a pretty damning piece of evidence definitely
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: but the defense argued that the dna sample could not
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: determine if it was consensual or not so i feel
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like the dna so at know what he found, but
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: maybe the DNA that he found was like liquid DNA,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. This is a unique scenario,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the judge said. She said she had considered the evidence
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: prosecutors presented during the motion hearing regarding the other offenses
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: that Buster Robbins may face. So this guy is involved
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: in other crimes. The judge decided to give him a
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: $ 5 million bond. He is required to have a GPS, feather,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: and reside with his daughter. Revelle's family was in court
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: on Thursday to hear the outcome of the motion hearing,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: and they said he's been able to live for 35 years.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Beverly hasn't. This was Beverly's niece who said, I'm scared
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get off. She also said, I just hope
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and pray that his daughter that he's going to be
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: staying with has her eyes on her children all of
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: the time. So apparently this guy is staying with his,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Buster's staying with his daughter and the daughter already has
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: her own kids. So it's kind of like a bad
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: situation in my opinion because this guy already had CP
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: on his tablet. How would they let him stay with
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: children with children if buster already has cp on his
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: tablet isn't there like a rule not to let a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: dude stay with children if he has cp on the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: tablet i.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Don't know if i was if i was the president
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: of the world i would be like if we see
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: cp in your pc that's it yeah you're done.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: You're done you're on jail time for the whole for
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: your whole life you're.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Done buddy because it's not normal it's not normal i
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: don't know how you come about cp on the tablet
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: you know how hard it would be you need to.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: How would you even find one? I don't even want
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you find CP, then you still need to
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Google Drive it. Basically, what I'm saying is that to me,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem that there's any casual way you could
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: end up with CP on your tablet. Yeah, I just
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: clicked on a link.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: That was sent to me by a friend. No, it
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: You have to actually go to Google Drive. download it
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: You have to get out of the way.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: You can't even put it in a USB. If it's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: on the tablet, that means that, how did you get
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: it there?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Went out of your way.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: You went out of your way to get CP on
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: your tablet. So this Buster guy is definitely not, I
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: don't know, why is he staying with the children now? Anyways,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: so Detective Case Luke, I'm going to finish in a bit,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: With the County Sheriff's Office testified that on September 18, 1989,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: deputies were sent to the area of Ford and Godforson
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Road for reports of a woman who had been shot
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: and was found on the side of the road. Luke
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: said investigators later identified the woman as Beverly Buvel. She
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: had been shot with a. 45 caliber pistol. Her vehicle
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: was discovered later that night in Canton Township. The vehicle
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: was still running, and the driver's door was open, and
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: her purse was still inside. A witness reported hearing a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: gunshot and seeing a blue vehicle similar to a Chrysler
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: New Yorker with a white top speeding near the scene.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: In January of 2024, DNA taken from the R-Kit completed
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: on Vivelle was sent to Michigan State Police, who sent
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: it to a forensic genealogy testing facility The testing led
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: investigators to Buster Robbins. Investigators concluded several days of surveillance
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: over a period of several weeks on Buster Robbins' home,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: where he lived with his wife. On September 24, 2024,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: investigators collected several items, including used plastic straws, which were
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: sent to a Michigan State Police lab for DNA comparisons.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Forensic scientists found that DNA from one of the straws
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: matched the DNA from the R kit. Investigators said that
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Buster's Robin's wife told them that in 1989 he drove
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a vehicle that matched the description reported by the witness
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: who saw a car speeding away. They also found a.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: 45 caliber magazine with ammunition in the home while conducting
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: a search warrant. same type of ammunition that was used
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: to murder Beverly Bevel. Buster's wife has also made SA
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: allegations against him. She has since filed for a divorce
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: and she accused him of, get this, sneaking other men
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: in to have sexual intercourse with her Without her consent,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: he would just bring random people into their home, and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: it wasn't good, apparently. It was a criminal act by
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the sound of it. So this guy is going to
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: be staying with some children?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's terrible.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: And, yeah. So this is all we have on the guy.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: So to kind of finish off about Buster Robbins... I
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: don't think he was known to be driving a red minivan.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: And he's not a black or Latino man.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: As mentioned by the witnesses.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a white man. So if he is
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: somehow responsible for Paige's disappearance, I mean, the one thing
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: that would be similar is that the way the car
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: was left. You know, it was still running. Yeah, the pattern.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: And also the badge. The fake cop theory.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Did Buster... He was a former cop, no? Who, Buster? No.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you mentioned something like that.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: No, Buster was driving a car that looked like.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Ah, similar to the cop. So it would be easy
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: for him to pretend, maybe.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: But to be honest, we don't know if that was
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: his MO.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: And I don't think we have any information about him
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: killing anyone else.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: As if there's a possibility that he did. We just
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about it yet.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I would say, for me, regarding Paige's case,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I think we kind of did a long podcast. I
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: kind of ran out of details here.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I do have one question for you.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, let's discuss it.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: You did mention earlier that there were other.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Disappearances or crimes within that area and within that highway.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Um i do have a little bit of information about
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: it i'll try to.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to i'm just trying to think that
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: is there a possibility this was not the first and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: the only disappearance within that highway.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Yes that is true I'm just trying to find that
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: piece of information. I did mark it down somewhere for myself,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're seeing.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Like, I wonder if the culprit or culprits in this case,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: is this their area where they commit these crimes? Is
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: there a possibility that Paige, it's not some elaborate scheme
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: to target Paige alone, but she was just, you know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: unfortunately a victim of opportunity.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: So for me, I do think that for me, it
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  Speaker 1: feels like Paige is a random.
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  Speaker 2: Random, unfortunate.
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  Speaker 1: Victim.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? Do you think that she, because
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  Speaker 1: to me, it seems that she was a random.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like it was just a perfect opportunity for
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: those criminals or criminal to take her.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't targeted.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: What is the weird things about this case for you
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: that you can't fully understand? Because I have something for me,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: but I want to hear. Is there anything that for
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: you jumps out? By the way, sorry, really quickly. I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: will let you finish, but I just want to quickly
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: say I found the information that I was looking for. Trees.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: unsolved abduction murders of young women occurred in the 80s
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: in the general area where Paige vanished. Three. At around
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: the same.
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  Speaker 2: What are the odds?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at around the same time there were multiple incidents
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: of people impersonating police officers and showing fake badges to
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: motorists to get them to stop. It is not known
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: if these murders and other incidents are related to Paige's disappearance,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: but three Three unsolved abduction murders.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Just within that area?
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the 80s.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense that they're not connected, no?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems a possibility that they could be connected.
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  Speaker 1: At the very least.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, now going back. What is the one thing
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: that you can't quite understand about this case?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Really, it's truly the cop.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: The cop? Yeah. That didn't investigate further? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's the oddest one for me. Like, come on, man,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: you've been trained for this.
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  Speaker 1: I agree that this is something, but to me, it's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: not it. For me, personally, what I can't... fully understand,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: and really, if I have to take a look at
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: this case, for me, the one thing I don't understand
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: is why Paige was seen by multiple people passerby drivers
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: outside standing with a bunch of people potentially without their
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: shoes on. Because now if we go take a look,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: if you go take a look at her shoes, if
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: you go take a look at her shoes.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: And we have a shoe picture here. I'm going to
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: be putting this on YouTube. Her shoes are slip-ons.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: From this case, I could see it like.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: It's easy to put them on.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Easy to take them out as well.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: But the way I could see the position of these
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: shoes is that she took them off and it was
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: always there as she was driving.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: And she never even.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like she put an effort in even
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: trying to put them on before she left the car.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: But to me, it feels like even if this is
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: some sort of... Could this be really some sort of...
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Don't move your hands. Like, keep your hands where I
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: could see them.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get out of the vehicle.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Get out of the vehicle. And this is how she
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't even have time to put the shoes on. Could be.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Because this is what I'm thinking about.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe there was an element of surprise that she was just,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: you know, she was so astounded.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Under any other circumstance, I don't see how she doesn't
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: put on the slip-ons.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Unless she's very frustrated as well and shocked.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: And then why would she think it's a cop if
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: it's a red minivan? Cops don't drive around in red minivans.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: I guess when you're already... I'm just trying to put
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: myself in her shoes. For example, there were a couple
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: of men who just started shouting at me, get out
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: of your vehicle, get out of your vehicle. I don't
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: think I would have the mind or the consciousness and
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: the time to even think of the vehicle in front
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  Speaker 3: of me.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Because she was sipping beer. She may have been already scared.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe, but I'm also thinking more like she was bombarded immediately.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: And instead of being aware of her surroundings, someone screaming
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: at her, get out of the car, okay, okay, I'll go,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: I'll go.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Could be.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: That could have been the case? Could be. What do
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: I think it could be this fake cop. Fake cop abductions.
• 1:31:30
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• 1:31:32
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