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Ep. 4 | Part 1 | From Wild Child to Barefoot Guide Living the Way of Natural Movement · Go Wildly Podcast

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  That arrow fire moment coming back into Queen of Shadows, your
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  breath thrown a glass shout out. That one class inspired me to be
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  like Heather when you're out about, like, fuck around a
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  little bit. Magic of to move that class,
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  really. Sad about applying to be on
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  Survivor. I got a client that tells me
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  that I need to do survivor like all the time.
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  Like crawling through this muddy Creek bed.
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  Look at all. These sticks, so many sticks.
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  Living. Sticks, sticks, welcome to the
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  Go Wildly podcast, where the trail or river is our studio and
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  the outdoors is where the story all unfolds.
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  I'm Heather. And I'm Emily.
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  And at the heart of it all is. One big.
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  Question we ask our guests What is that one pivotal outdoor
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  story that changed the course of your life?
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  From transformative hikes to river epiphanies and everything
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  in between, stories like these remind us how nature shapes who
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  we are. So thanks for being here.
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  Stick around and together we're go wildly.
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  Thanks. Guys.
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  We love you. Today on the Go Wildly podcast,
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  we have Diana Mutula, A clinical herbalist, certified movement
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  coach, an all around earthy. Powerhouse.
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  She's a Level 3 move not trainer, restorative exercise
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  specialist. And Anas.
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  M Certified personal trainer who blends natural movement with
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  herbal medicine to help people reconnect with their bodies in
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  the wild world around them. In Part 1, we deep dive into her
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  experience earning her Move Not certifications, What it's really
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  like attending one of her Move Not classes, and the community
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  that she's built around that. Don't forget to watch our
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  YouTube companion film to this episode where we dig deeper with
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  Diana and hike the amazing Bolt Mountain in Southern Oregon.
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  Here we go. So, yeah, so OK, now that we're
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  at the summit here, let's hear about how you became an outdoor
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  professional and what your relationship with the outdoors
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  is now that you're an adult. Your childhood started very
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  infused in outdoor experiences. And how have you maintained that
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  into your adult life and why? And how do you stay wild?
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  Yeah. Let's see, how do you how do you
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  go wildly? Well, once I started doing some
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  certifications in national movement, first it was really
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  just to learn about my own body and to be able to move better
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  for the things that I was doing at the time, which was farming.
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  And then I just got so passionate about it that I was
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  like, wait, this is all I want to do.
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  I want to learn more about this and I want to ultimately then
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  teach other people about it. And so after I did the
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  restorative exercise certification with Nutritious
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  Movement Institute that was talking again about more
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  alignment and corrective exercise and lifestyle and
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  really foundational like baseline micro movements that
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  become distorted because we're not most people aren't living a
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  lifestyle that's rich in natural movement.
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  Then I got after I finished that, I got inspired to do the
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  move net certification because that addresses bigger movement
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  skills and was the more exciting thing really.
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  But I felt like I finally developed the confidence in how
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  to just exist as a person and how to stand and walk and sit
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  and live in my house and and then do my farming too in a
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  better way. It's better bio mechanics.
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  But then I did the move out certification and I was like, Oh
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  my God, this is absolutely everything.
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  This is the end all be all. This is all I want to do now.
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  Move not is a natural movement based fitness system that really
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  is meant to be expressed fully in an outdoor environment.
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  And so their idea is that nature is the ultimate training
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  environment because nature has the ultimate amount of diversity
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  in it. Different textures, different
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  obstacles, different scenarios, balancing scenarios, climbing
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  scenarios, lifting and carrying scenarios, that climbing
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  scenarios that you would encounter if you're just an
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  outdoorsy person. And if you did end up in a
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  survival situation, those are also the skills that you would
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  absolutely need to get yourself to safety and, and to survive.
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  So then I just got really excited about applying the
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  natural movement skills that I was learning and also
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  integrating that into my own hobbies of just hiking and
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  camping and backpacking. And so it kind of all came
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  together. And now I coach people on the
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  skills and show them the corrective exercises and talk to
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  them about lifestyle. But I also like to practice that
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  in, you know, my daily life and make an make outdoors a bigger
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  part of my life so that I can continue to practice the things
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  that I coach people on as well. So it's a hobby, it's a
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  profession lifestyle, it's a practice, it's a lifestyle.
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  And I also really like to take people that I'm coaching out
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  into the outdoors and have them get to implement it.
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  So I do hikes and trail runs with groups of people and it
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  gets to really like express what we learn in a gym setting.
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  So if you work in the gym, you can replicate natural movement
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  scenarios with, you know, gym equipment.
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  And so that's where you can like probably get to implement your,
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  your training of natural movement in a way that's a
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  little bit more achievable, doable and realistic to like
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  integrate into daily life. If you can't always get outside,
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  you can always take it in an into an outdoor setting.
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  And then that's when it's at its ultimate peak expression.
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  So cool. Yeah, because it is the
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  lifestyle of moving naturally. It applies in every living
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  scenario. It applies from getting your
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  groceries from the store into your house and putting them
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  away, to chopping wood and filling your woodshed, to
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  lifting and carrying your kids from the car into the classroom
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  into chasing kids around. And it's all, it's all
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  integrative into just real human life.
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  Yep. Real human experiences getting a
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  frisbee out of a tree in the park.
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  You know, I get a lot of questions about like, why would
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  I need this skill? Why would I need this movement?
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  Why would somebody need to vault over something?
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  It's like, first of all, maybe you never will.
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  But. Wouldn't you like to be able to
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  if you had to, or if you just wanted to?
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  Because it is fun, and it's also useful and practical.
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  I felt when I did the class, even though it's a little bit
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  avant-garde from your normal routine of movement, I totally
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  felt like a kid again. Yeah, doing like kid movements.
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  And I was just, it kind of unlocked something in my brain a
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  little bit of like, I need to be doing these.
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  Like why? Why shouldn't, why can't I?
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  Why like, why haven't I been doing these funky little
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  movements and they're so weird and fun and I'm a kid again and
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  with all the agility of a little spry little kid.
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  So it's really cool. I was like I said, when I get
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  some moolah, I know that's such a it's, you know, but that's.
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  Once you learn it, then you just apply it everywhere, right?
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  Like you don't need, I mean, you need money to, you need money to
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  benefit from Diana's wonderful coaching, but you don't need
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  money to move naturally in your life.
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  Exactly, You don't need money to go outside and.
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  Pick up a rock and walk around with it.
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  A heavy rock. Not a, not a, not a Pebble.
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  To step up and down and over things and balance on things.
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  And so you can, you can practice it in all these different ways.
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  You can practice it in a self-guided way.
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  You can practice it in an explorative way with a lot of
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  curiosity. Well, just fun it.
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  Kind of inspired me that one class inspired me to be like,
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  Heather, when you're out about like fuck around a little bit
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  more, you know, just like have fun and like, what is that like,
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  OK, cool, pick up the rock. OK.
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  Do you know play on the playground with my kids?
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  You know, like. Balance on the sidewalk as
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  you're walking down, or on the curb as you're walking.
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  Down the street that inspired me for that However, I do would
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  like to say that that was my friend I was talking about.
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  I would like to say that like being in that group environment,
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  it was such a fun class to be had that was like the, you know,
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  gym based natural movement fun like and I would love when I do
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  get some money to be involved because it was very community
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  centered as well. Like everybody was homies.
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  I didn't feel weird. It wasn't like, I don't know,
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  the gal that has the yoga mat next to me.
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  It was awesome. Right.
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  So that is one that is everything you were saying is
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  the reason why I love movement. Natural movement, of course is
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  just something that is every like accessible to everyone and
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  so is move not to. But to distinguish move not is a
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  company, a fitness system that I am an instructor for, that I
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  teach certifications for and that I'm certified, certified in
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  to teach the method. So it's a method and system of
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  organizing natural movement into categories and into principles
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  and into a curriculum that then we can teach in classes.
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  And so that's just the distinction.
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  And so I teach a move not class. What was I going to say about
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  that? Oh, and it's just a really great
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  way to, yeah, to showcase the move Not methodology that
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  ultimately delivers like what natural movement has to offer.
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  And Move Not has developed these.
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  I think there's over 10 principles.
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  I'm not going to be able to remember all of them, but they
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  kind of highlight the essence of what natural movement is because
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  sometimes it's hard to explain. So some of the things that are
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  the principles for natural movement in the Move Not system
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  are, first of all, Move Not is evolutionary or sorry, natural
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  movement is evolutionary. It means we evolved doing these
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  types of movements. It's what our bodies are
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  designed to do. They're designed to move
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  naturally, which includes all these different types of
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  movements, different categories of movements like getting up and
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  down, moving on the ground, crawling, balancing, stepping
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  over, under, across things, climbing, vaulting, jumping,
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  lifting and carrying things, manipulating things, throwing
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  and throwing and catching things, etcetera.
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  So evolutionary and then universal is along with that,
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  where it applies to every single person in the whole world.
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  It's for everybody. And then there's a collaborative
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  nature to it. So that's what you were talking
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  about as well, where natural movement is collaborative.
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  You need to be able to exist with other people, and sometimes
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  you need to move things with other people or you're all doing
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  collective tasks together where some people are doing one type
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  of national movement, the others are doing another.
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  And again, it goes back to being evolutionary, where it's like
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  ultimately a village. We evolved as a village to
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  gather resources collectively together.
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  So then there's other parts of the principle that have to do
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  more with it being playful and fun and it being something that
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  you can get curious about. And I love that too, because
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  people do say that and it feels like getting to be a kid again.
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  And I think that first of all, part of that is just because we
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  are reconnecting with movement that we did as a kid and that we
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  stopped doing. So in that way it helps us be
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  like a kid. And in that way, I kind of wish
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  it, it had been something that we've been continuing to do this
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  whole time. But if you look at it through
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  bringing in that aspect of exploration and curiosity and
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  play, then 100% that's what every almost everybody says when
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  they come to the classes is that get to feel like a kid again.
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  And they get to just explore and find out what they can do and,
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  you know, try, just try things, really.
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  Just try. Yeah, I just was like fucking
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  around. Exactly.
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  So fun to like. Well, just in that particular
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  class where it was, you know, a more funky class than your
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  normal structured situation. But like those movements, we
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  were just, we were all figuring them out at the same time, which
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  was really cool. And it's so different than other
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  fitness modalities that most people are doing traditional
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  strength training. Pilates.
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  High intensity interval training or CrossFit or Pilates or yoga,
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  like those are all movements and there's movements in all of them
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  that translate into the other systems.
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  But they are even in like a yoga community, it is still like
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  you're alone on your mat and you're not interacting with the
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  person next to you. When your strength training,
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  you're like in the zone, you're on your move and you may be
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  building gym community. But when you're in this group,
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  small group fitness class, like you're with each other in every
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  single village, right? It's when I first started the
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  class, I was coming from that traditional, modern, traditional
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  fitness where like I know people in the gym, but I was working
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  out on my own and I was like, these are gym people.
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  These are the people I'm going to see at the gym.
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  And that's where our relationship will stay.
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  And, and after like four or five months, I was like, Oh no, these
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  are my friends and I see them, I talk to them every single day.
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  I see them minimum three days a week.
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  And like, they very quickly became some of the most involved
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  people in my life. Like they know more, they know.
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  About what's going on in my life before.
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  Like my best. That doesn't happen in a yoga
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  class really, unless maybe you go to a like a.
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  If you go to a yoga. Teacher.
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  Training and like you're in this collaborative learning
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  environment for a short period of time you may build those
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  relationships and just. To put it in perspective, this
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  move not class is at one of our like premier gyms in the area.
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  And so there's like the class within this bigger gym and I
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  have gone to the this gym, you know, on and off for years.
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  And I've never experienced the sense of fun and community in
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  their yoga class, right, that this class has.
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  I'm so happy. To hear that stick up the move
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  that class really. And I do think that there is a
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  uniqueness that your guys are describing that is specific to
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  the class that that like to our group originally I created and
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  then now it's even the class is a collaborative class.
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  Like I take requests from people constantly from participants and
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  get feedback and the class starts to just like evolve.
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  It has evolved over time. Like I love being able to be
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  like, hey, I did this movement in my real life today and I felt
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  tired by it. Or I feel like I'm missing some
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  kind of strength there. Can we do something in class
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  that enhances this? Like the other day I was like I
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  just got tired like shaking out my comforter.
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  How can I build strength in this way in class battle ropes.
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  Like OK, now I'm shaking these fucking. 4050. # ropes and now
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  when I go to shake out my comforter like I have the
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  muscles and strength to do that more effectively.
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  And you can play around with the technique and make it more
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  efficient and build the strength and the muscle memory.
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  I also love one of the things that I love about just being a
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  personal trainer. First off, whether I'm working
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  with an individual person or the group in the move not class is
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  like solving puzzles like that. Survivors.
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  Movement, that is my favorite. Something you're saying you're
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  doing in real life. How can we replicate that?
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  How can we recreate it and like? Pulling somebody out of the
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  water when you're in your raft. What?
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  Do you thought it was a fun day have?
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  You thought about applying to be on Survivor?
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  I have a client that tells me that I need to do survivor like
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  all the time. I'm obsessed with survivor, so
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  that's why I like put it out. I have I like grew up on
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  survivor so but but you would do so good.
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  Well, I don't know about the social.
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  I don't manipulative actual. Part either, I kind of don't
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  want to deal with any of that. Yeah, I would like go for the
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  fun, fun to doing the physical challenges.
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  Yeah, I tell Sean I'm like I my dream job is working on Survivor
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  as like one of their testers of all the challenges.
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  I know that'd be cool. The thing is that I get to do to
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  a certain extent a lot that in my move now class already like
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  of course we're not on an island with water underneath us, but
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  we. Do go.
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  On adventures, on the weekends, we go trail running weekly.
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  That's like a bonus activity that we've all just done as a
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  community, just for free and as friends, but it's open to
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  whoever wants to come along. And then sometimes like once a
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  month, ideally once a month, we'd be going for a hike.
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  Like I think of them as like move, not outings.
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  We're going on move not adventures where the people who
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  do my class and or people that hear about the free offerings
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  can join in. And then we actually do go do
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  this in outdoor settings and. Well, I think that creates
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  goodwill too in a marketing standpoint.
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  It is so nice to have something where like people can just like
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  get a sense of the community first.
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  Maybe that's what they are thinking about.
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  Like right now in my lull of my monies, I'm like, oh, I can
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  still go on the group run and be with this community that's
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  really cool. And then like still be connected
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  to them. Yeah.
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  I told Mitch that we do a trail run also as a like, hey, if
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  you're not quite ready to engage in the class setting or that
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  timing doesn't work for you, like we also do this trail run
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  on Saturdays. And yeah, anybody's welcome to
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  join. Yeah.
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  OK. Should we do these fun little
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  questions that I have brought? Let's do this kind of just like
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  fun try to, you know, have a nice rounded out so it's
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  concise. You know how podcasts.
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  I'm not super long winded answers that's hard for me.
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  I will try to do my. Best.
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  You're doing great. I think you're doing really good
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  so far. I just want to be.
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  Yourself. Gemini totally don't.
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  Yeah. I just want to make sure it
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  like, you know, all comes together.
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  If you, if the land could write your biography, what chapter
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  would it be on right now and what would the title be?
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  How fun. Oh my goodness, I have no idea.
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  I know, I know. I thought about this, Emily.
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  I'm like, I should have, we should give these these fun
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  questions ahead of time so we can kind of like think about it
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  a little bit. But also, it's kind of, I mean,
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  you don't have to like have an answer on the show.
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  Like, it's OK. It's natural to like, take a
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  minute. I'm in.
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  Taking the view. I'm in the middle for sure.
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  How old are you? 35, Cool.
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  I'll be 36 this summer. Nice.
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  Yeah, few months actually. July or well or June?
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  July. June.
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  Okay. June 30th.
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  I'm July 4th. Our birthdays are so close
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  together. And you're gonna turn 36.
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  Yeah. What?
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  Yeah, Oh my gosh. For birthday buddies, I finally
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  found a well. If you want, we're going.
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  I know this is totally tangent, but we're going to the Cowboy
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  Dinner tree. Have you ever tried the Cowboy
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  Dinner tree? Over there.
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  Have you ever heard of that? OK.
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  Should I explain it a little bit?
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  Yes, yes. And you were invited as well.
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  So it's this little off grid hole in the ground like Cowboy
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  did like hole. In the ground, not a hole in the
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  wall. Hole in the ground.
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  Well, there is a hole in the ground over there in that area,
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  but it's a, it's like east of Bend.
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  Yeah, east of Bend And it is. It's a.
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  It's a. Insect, I believe.
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  Oh really? I don't I think so.
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  It's either an insect or AI love it or I love that sound.
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  OK so it's a hole in the wall type of restaurant but cowboy
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  dinner tree it is literally what you think it is.
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  So you call and you make a reservation and you get 2
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  choices and it's either chicken or steak.
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  They bring out you a whole. Chicken or.
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  And, and it's all like in like courses and or a like huge 48
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  ounce steak, like giant. It's pretty expensive too.
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  I can't remember how much my dad said that it ended up being,
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  but, and I've gone there a couple times on my birthday,
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  like always on my birthday. I've gone there twice on the 4th
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  of July, so this will be my third time.
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  And but it is like crazy like the wood creeks.
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  There's like it's like kind of dusty.
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  It looks like an old saloon. There's teepees out front.
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  They cook everything like non electric.
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  So they bake the bread or they're like dinner rolls are
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  like giant. And I think it's like in some
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  sort of like a wood or old school oven type of thing.
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  It's great. It's cool.
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  But we're going to go over there and do some like, like what is
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  it called? I forgot what the kind of
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  camping is called. Not in a campground.
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  Glamping. No, not glamping.
• 22:08
  It's boondocking. Boondocking.
• 22:10
  Yeah, boondocking over there. And then we're also going to go
• 22:13
  to the. We don't know if it's open, but
• 22:16
  it's like the oldest bar in Oregon in Paisley OR Saloon.
• 22:21
  We're going to try to hit that. And then there's the Summer
• 22:24
  lake. We're going to go to Summer
• 22:25
  Lake. So the Summer Lake.
• 22:28
  I've been wanting to go there. And then we're just going to
• 22:30
  kind of tool around. My dad and I are going to set up
• 22:32
  a anyway. So birthdays are very close
• 22:34
  together if you don't have anything planned for doing.
• 22:36
  That I don't get. Are you going on 4th of July?
• 22:40
  Yeah, we have the reservations on 4th.
• 22:43
  Nice, I'm at cancer kayak camp all of July so I I can't do
• 22:48
  anything in July pretty much. Except some random pods.
• 22:52
  Yeah. I'll come meet you down at
• 22:54
  Muriel. Yeah, for a pod.
• 22:55
  Well, I'll be I'll be at like just below Almeida, so.
• 22:59
  OK, cool. Yeah, OK, that sounds amazing.
• 23:03
  I don't have any plans. I think about it.
• 23:05
  I will think about it. And I've been wanting to go to
• 23:07
  Summer Lake, so it's gonna be pretty.
• 23:08
  Fun. I'm excited.
• 23:10
  Yeah, that sounds really fun. Last year, for Diana's birthday,
• 23:13
  we hiked. Mount McLaughlin.
• 23:14
  We hiked. Mount McLaughlin, It was the
• 23:15
  major movement outing of the year that we trained for, at
• 23:20
  least that we had in mind that we were training for.
• 23:22
  So that's cool. I would do it again.
• 23:24
  Yeah. That's not everyone wanted to do
• 23:25
  it again. I would do it again.
• 23:27
  I don't think I, I think I'd. Do it again now.
• 23:30
  Like right when we were doing it and when we finished it, I was
• 23:34
  like, fuck no, I'm never doing that again.
• 23:35
  But take a. Break for our phones.
• 23:37
  Just because. It OK, yeah, I think I could
• 23:39
  answer your question though. Let's do it.
• 23:42
  Yeah, you had some time to. Oh, wait.
• 23:44
  So let's here I'm gonna. I think that I would do it.
• 23:48
  I think I've built enough strength and endurance now more.
• 23:54
  I've built more strength and endurance now that I could.
• 23:59
  I could do it and I would have a lighter pack.
• 24:02
  For sure. And that's, you know, we look.
• 24:04
  That's on my bucket list this year if I can get over my
• 24:07
  migraine situation. Right.
• 24:09
  But hit us up for sure. Yeah, we've done it and.
• 24:13
  I would do and I want to do Thielsen too.
• 24:15
  I want to do Thielsen too. Yeah, there's another girl in
• 24:17
  the class, Gabby. She's been saying that she wants
• 24:19
  to do. Cool, cool.
• 24:21
  OK. So let me read again chapter.
• 24:23
  Diamond the Land could write your biography.
• 24:27
  What chapter would you be on right now and what would the
• 24:29
  title be? Yeah, I would definitely be in
• 24:32
  the middle. I don't know about the title,
• 24:34
  but I'm definitely in the chapter where like the female
• 24:38
  main character has discovered her powers are like a lot
• 24:44
  stronger than she originally thought, you know, and and then
• 24:49
  she's training them and she's she's already gone through quite
• 24:53
  a few of the like, training montages.
• 24:56
  And so now she has some, like, missions and she's prepped and
• 25:00
  ready for them. Cool.
• 25:01
  And she's going to go take them on hills, tackle some
• 25:05
  challenges. So yeah.
• 25:09
  Is this a multi book series or is this one long always?
• 25:15
  Great. I mean, I guess like it's if you
• 25:19
  think of the different eras of your life as like different
• 25:22
  books, then it would be a multi book series for sure.
• 25:27
  I'm thinking which? Book in the series Are we at?
• 25:29
  Four out of eight. OK, you know an air of fire
• 25:35
  moment coming back into Queen of Shadows.
• 25:37
  If you regret throwing a glass, shout out.
• 25:38
  Oh my. God, Dan is obsessed.
• 25:43
  I'm obsessed. I.
• 25:43
  Need to I'm so. On my everyone.
• 25:46
  Needs to read this book. Series every female at least
• 25:51
  yeah. Title.
• 25:52
  Hmm. So if Selena is the Queen of
• 25:55
  shadows and I would be the queen of barefoot, queen of feet, I'm
• 26:02
  like thinking of like mountains and sun and barefoot, barefoot
• 26:08
  sunshine. Badass queen goddess energy.
• 26:13
  Yeah. I love that.
• 26:15
  But like fitness too. But like.
• 26:19
  This footness. OK, here's another one that I
• 26:22
  think will get us a little deeper.
• 26:25
  What's 1 pivotal outdoor moment, big or small, that rerouted your
• 26:32
  internal compass forever? It's a good core.
• 26:37
  Memory, well move not Level 3 is the hardest certification and
• 26:42
  move not system it's the advanced certification.
• 26:46
  It's like 5 days long, done only once a year and it's pretty big
• 26:52
  deal. And I signed up for it in 2019
• 26:58
  and I had only just done the 1st 2 levels earlier that year.
• 27:01
  So it's a little bit of a fast trajectory to try to go right
• 27:05
  into Level 3 for contacts. Level 1 and 2 are done in a gym
• 27:11
  setting with visits to the park to kind of play around and get
• 27:14
  some outdoor time. Level 3 is entirely outdoors and
• 27:19
  you're camping pretty much the whole time.
• 27:21
  So it was pivotal because I in hindsight, like I didn't, I
• 27:28
  wasn't actually like really physically ready for it yet.
• 27:32
  But I also was because you don't need to go to Level 3 knowing
• 27:39
  that you can for sure do every skill that they're going to
• 27:43
  cover in it. And so I didn't pass the
• 27:46
  certification in the moment, but also hardly anybody does, like
• 27:51
  probably 5% of people that attend actually pass while
• 27:55
  they're there. So I think it's more of an
• 27:58
  experience of self discovery and assessment of where you're at.
• 28:01
  And also just to gain so much inspiration because I was
• 28:07
  learning a lot while I was there and I hadn't really known what
• 28:11
  to expect. So I got introduced to skills
• 28:14
  that I've never done before, like balancing really, really
• 28:21
  high up off the ground, like 6 feet off the ground on a narrow
• 28:26
  rail. And then having to do that while
• 28:30
  also like incorporating like lowering down your center of
• 28:33
  gravity, crawling on it, coming down into a hang, doing a
• 28:38
  strength climbing skill to get back up on top of the rail and
• 28:41
  then keep walking. And like, I didn't know that
• 28:43
  that was what we were going to be tested on.
• 28:45
  You just are supposed to do it in hindsight, like I could have
• 28:50
  asked more questions to find out what I was supposed to do.
• 28:53
  But things like that. There was the last day of the
• 28:58
  event was this barefoot hike that we all did as a group.
• 29:02
  And it was, it was actually a barefoot run that was led by the
• 29:06
  instructors, like running ahead of us.
• 29:08
  And then kind of like they had one person behind at the end
• 29:11
  catching the, the people at the end.
• 29:13
  But they're, they would like tell us like, OK, get down and
• 29:16
  crawl on the ground. And we'd be like crawling
• 29:19
  through this muddy Creek bed. And then we'd be like, all
• 29:23
  right, now find a partner and carry one person on each other's
• 29:26
  back, you know, piggyback carry or whatever for 100 yards.
• 29:30
  And then right now everybody crawl up a hill and crawl back
• 29:36
  down and like we're just all getting covered in mud and
• 29:39
  sticks everywhere. Then we did a breath hold test
• 29:41
  where you had to put your face in the water just like face
• 29:44
  down, try to hold your breath for a minute.
• 29:47
  I had not done any training with cold water or breath work, so I
• 29:51
  did not pass that. I was like.
• 29:56
  But now you have but I. Learned that and there's.
• 29:58
  A lot of fear in putting your face in water, maybe not for
• 30:01
  you, but for a lot of people. Like, that's the first thing we
• 30:03
  do in kayak training is like, before you even learn how to
• 30:08
  roll, you just have to put your face in the water and hold your
• 30:12
  face there and like just get comfortable with your face being
• 30:17
  submerged. And people freak out.
• 30:20
  People are so nervous to do that, to just wow.
• 30:24
  I didn't know that was a thing. I don't actually have a lot of
• 30:28
  fear and anxiety that comes up for me when I do movements, but
• 30:31
  I definitely will immediately gas out or if I'm not adapted to
• 30:36
  something, it's just immediate fail.
• 30:39
  So I could only hold my breath for 30 seconds and I was like,
• 30:42
  I'm done. I'm looking around and I'm like,
• 30:45
  there's a few people whose heads are still under.
• 30:46
  That's impressive. And just crawling up like wet
• 30:51
  boulders. And again, everybody is barefoot
• 30:54
  and was. There anyone that got hurt?
• 30:56
  At all. No, nobody got hurt.
• 30:58
  Because you level to that point, Yeah, knowing like what to do.
• 31:01
  Cool. Nobody got hurt at my level 2 or
• 31:04
  Level 3 certification other than what we would call move nut
• 31:08
  tattoos, which are just like some bruises and.
• 31:11
  Scrapes. You know, there was a rope
• 31:14
  horizontal rope climb that we did that some people got like
• 31:19
  rope burn on their inner thighs. Luckily I was wearing leggings
• 31:23
  so that that didn't happen to me.
• 31:24
  And then some people's feet on the barefoot run who had not
• 31:28
  been like, truly barefoot run training yet, they were like
• 31:34
  hobbling just because their feet were so sensitive and tired that
• 31:39
  they couldn't, they couldn't go with the pace that, wow, they
• 31:43
  should. Crazy.
• 31:44
  Probably. Yeah.
• 31:45
  Hopefully have been able to do so.
• 31:46
  So you think that the whole that whole experience of going to
• 31:51
  that of course just totally flipped, yes, your switch on
• 31:55
  like that? Was what I was like cuz what
• 31:56
  level 1 and level two were fun and and doable and I passed both
• 32:00
  of them and I was like OK great. But also like then you want to
• 32:04
  know what's next? What's the next level?
• 32:08
  Is there something that I can work towards if I can, if I find
• 32:11
  out that I actually am already without even trying because
• 32:15
  probably of my background in gymnastics and athletics and
• 32:19
  hiking and trail running, like level 2, I'm already there.
• 32:23
  But so what's next? OK, Level 3 is like a whole
• 32:26
  other beast. Yeah.
• 32:27
  Humbling. It's humbling.
• 32:30
  And it's all outdoors and you're there spending, you know, every
• 32:35
  day, every night with all the participants too.
• 32:38
  So you really get that. Did you make any good friends?
• 32:41
  Camaraderie yes, I did those are some of the people that I've
• 32:44
  kept in touch with like great the most.
• 32:46
  And even if I haven't kept in touch I like I care about them a
• 32:51
  lot I remember them all yeah. And it's a really powerful
• 32:55
  bonding experience for sure. That really sealed the deal.
• 32:59
  The deal for me where I was like, I am pivoting and going to
• 33:05
  do this. Like this is what I want to be.
• 33:08
  I want to I want to be those instructors.
• 33:10
  It's basically I was like, I want to be the people who are
• 33:12
  running this event, that's cool and teaching the skills.
• 33:15
  And is that is there any higher levels?
• 33:17
  No, that's it. There are two specialty
• 33:20
  certifications. There's a combative
• 33:23
  certification, which I highly recommend self-defense and how
• 33:28
  to not be a target for victim. And then there's a an aquatic
• 33:33
  certification. I haven't done that 1 yet.
• 33:35
  And it's less, it's done less frequently.
• 33:40
  And so I've it's never worked out for me to take it.
• 33:43
  Do you have to be at a beach location?
• 33:46
  And it's done in open water. Maybe sometimes they do it in a
• 33:49
  swimming pool, but they haven't been running them as often so.
• 33:53
  We've been encouraging her to do it because we live on the river
• 33:58
  and how valuable to bring that move now Aquatics into our
• 34:02
  environment here to be able to apply to our rivers and lakes
• 34:07
  and streams. Yeah, so that kind.
• 34:09
  Of goes into river safety and stuff that too because I was
• 34:11
  just thinking I'm like yeah when I was a kid I was like swimming
• 34:16
  across the river when then there was somebody that like died like
• 34:22
  a year later from doing that and I'm like gosh, thank God I was
• 34:25
  like I have my like you're. Strong enough swimmer.
• 34:29
  Going back to the. Water rescue and how to do it.
• 34:32
  Going back to those movement principles, one of them is that
• 34:35
  it's vital these skills are actually like essential and
• 34:39
  potentially life saving skills. So some people I would argue
• 34:44
  like natural movements, not optional.
• 34:46
  It should be necessary, it should be required.
• 34:50
  People should ideally feel personally obligated to to be
• 34:59
  proficient and have that baseline capability to be
• 35:05
  useful. So there's a couple unhelpful,
• 35:08
  there's a couple of different slogans that movement has strong
• 35:11
  to be useful and strong to be helpful.
• 35:14
  Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 35:16
  I'm going to. I'm going to pause the.
• 35:18
  Hang on. Yeah, I'm going to pause the our
• 35:21
  iPhones just so we don't lose all the power because that sucks
• 35:24
  the battery. OK, OK, so.
• 35:27
  Clearly, we went full. Barefoot rabbit hole.
• 35:30
  On this one, so we're slicing it into two parts.
• 35:33
  Consider this your mid hike snack break.
• 35:35
  Part 2 will be dropping next week and it's even better.
• 35:38
  We're talking cold plunges, weird Wellness stuff, and
• 35:41
  Diana's daily routine that'll make you want to trade in your
• 35:44
  couch for a kettlebell and a patch of grass.
• 35:46
  So we'll see you next week. Reddit film edited and.
• 35:52
  Produced by Heather White. And Emily Brilliant the Go
• 35:54
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• 35:57
  Special thanks. To Diana.
• 35:59
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• 36:02
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