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Mail In Madness · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: With seven weeks until the midterm elections, the fight to
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Speaker 1: secure how America votes has run into one wall after
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Speaker 1: the next. And as of last night, every major effort
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Speaker 1: to change the rules of mail-in voting before November has
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Speaker 1: come up short. Three fronts. Here's exactly where each one stands.
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Speaker 1: Front one, the courts. And the biggest case of them all,
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Speaker 1: you might recall, on June 29th of this year, the
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decided Watson versus the RNC a case. The
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Speaker 1: Republican National Committee had fought for two years arguing that
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Speaker 1: mail-in ballots must be received by Election Day, not just
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Speaker 1: postmarked by it. Common sense, right? The RNC lost five
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Speaker 1: to four. The court ruled states can keep counting ballots
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Speaker 1: that arrive after Election Day as long as they're postmarked
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Speaker 1: on time. Justice Amy Coney Barrett wrote for the majority,
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Speaker 1: joined by Chief Justice Roberts and the three liberal justices.
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Speaker 2: Of course.
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Speaker 1: Thomas Alito and Gorsuch dissented. Those were the heroes in
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Speaker 1: this case. And so the roughly 15 states with grace
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Speaker 1: periods that let them keep counting until whenever the result
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Speaker 1: comes in, well, that stands. Now, here's front two. The
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Speaker 1: president's executive order. Trump had ordered the Postal Service to
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Speaker 1: overhaul mail ballots, barcodes on every envelope, verify voter list
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Speaker 1: ballots going only to confirmed eligible voters. On August 24th,
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Speaker 1: the court gave him a preliminary win. Things were looking up. No, no, no.
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Speaker 1: Last night, it reversed course for this cycle, leaving a
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Speaker 1: lower court block in place, 6-3, with only Thomas and
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Speaker 1: Alito dissenting. Now, the reason given was timing. They said
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Speaker 1: there wasn't enough time for states to comply before November,
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Speaker 1: and the president's reaction, well, he's pretty ticked off, let's
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Speaker 1: just say that. In a statement on Truth Social, he
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Speaker 1: blasted the court directly, saying... Republicans just got another bad
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Speaker 1: decision from the United States Supreme Court. He blamed it
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Speaker 1: in part on no time left to implement a solution
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Speaker 1: to our totally corrupt and out-of-control mail-in voting disaster. Justices
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Speaker 1: Alito and Thomas, legends, both strongly disagreed with this horrible,
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Speaker 1: highly political ruling. It is as big of a loss
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Speaker 1: for Republicans and America itself, and it makes cheating by
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Speaker 1: the radical left, Democrats, on mail-in ballots a much easier
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Speaker 1: thing to do. These are not the people I interviewed
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Speaker 1: to serve on the United States Supreme Court. The boss
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Speaker 1: is not happy. That brings us to the third front,
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Speaker 1: the one that could still fix all of this, but
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Speaker 1: it ain't gonna, the Save America Act. You know, the
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Speaker 1: one that would have required proof of citizenship to register
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Speaker 1: and photo ID to vote and also some mail-in ballot reform.
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Speaker 1: It's passed the House like five times. Sits there in
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Speaker 1: the Senate, dead, gathering dust, leaving that analogy alone every
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Speaker 1: time it goes to the Senate, short of the 60
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Speaker 1: votes to break a filibuster. And there is no sign.
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Speaker 1: That is going to change anytime soon. So here's where
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Speaker 1: things stand tonight. The RNCs, that case is lost. The
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Speaker 1: executive order, blocked for this cycle at least. The Save
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Speaker 1: America Act, stalled hopelessly. Which means November's midterms, the elections
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Speaker 1: that decide control of Congress, will run under essentially the
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Speaker 1: same mail-in rules as before. Not one of the changes changed.
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Speaker 1: made it across the finish line. That's not good. Now,
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Speaker 1: to break down where this actually leaves us seven weeks out,
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Speaker 1: let's bring in Josh Hammer, senior counsel with the Article
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Speaker 1: 3 Project. Josh, welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time.
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Speaker 1: It just seems no matter where you turn, roadblock, roadblock, roadblock, hopelessness, hopelessness,
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Speaker 1: and the president's right to be mad. We have to
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Speaker 1: secure the mail-in vote. It's really the highest risk we
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Speaker 1: have and the biggest opportunity we have for fraudsters, right?
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Speaker 3: You know, David, in the first few months of this
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Speaker 3: second Trump administration, I and my colleagues at the Oracle
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Speaker 3: 3 Project, we were talking about the judicial insurrection was
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Speaker 3: a term that we used a lot of a little
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Speaker 3: over a year ago. And I now have to openly speculate,
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Speaker 3: you know, now here we are. Donald Trump's second term
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Speaker 3: is hard to believe. It's almost halfway through, not quite,
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Speaker 3: but we're getting close to it. I have to ask
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Speaker 3: whether or not the judicial insurrection has ever been quashed,
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Speaker 3: whether it has ever been taken care of, whether it
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Speaker 3: is still acting up right before our very own eyes.
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Speaker 3: And to make matters worse, as you correctly note, when
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Speaker 3: it came to the Watson versus RNC case, the mail-in
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Speaker 3: ballot case at the Supreme Court, a tremendous disappointment, a massive,
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Speaker 3: massive letdown earlier this year. Sometimes the judicial insurrection seems
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Speaker 3: to be happening not just in the lower courts, but
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Speaker 3: actually also at the U.S.
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court.
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Speaker 3: Frankly, from some of Donald Trump's own nominees, like Amy
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Speaker 3: Coney Barrett, who continues to to have a, shall we say,
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Speaker 3: checkered or spotty track record. Sam Lito or Clarence Thomas,
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Speaker 3: she is not. Now, listen, David, if I'm being honest here,
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Speaker 3: I have heard from some conservatives in the states, some
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Speaker 3: Republican officials and various state attorneys general offices, saying that
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Speaker 3: they also were skeptical that their own state, these are
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Speaker 3: red states, had enough time to prepare for the U.S.
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Speaker 3: Postal Service regulation. Here's my response to that. That may
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Speaker 3: or may not be true. It'll depend on the state.
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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. The thing is that the Article
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Speaker 3: 2 executive branch, the president and all of the cabinets,
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Speaker 3: the agencies, they can make rules when something is within
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Speaker 3: their legitimate jurisdiction. And last I checked, Article 1 of
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Speaker 3: the Constitution made very clear The federal government has the
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Speaker 3: ability to control the procedures and times and all the
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Speaker 3: various other nonsense and proceduralities when it comes to federal elections.
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Speaker 3: So this USPS rule, to me, fell squarely within that,
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Speaker 3: which is why you had people like Clarence Thompson, Sam Molino,
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Speaker 3: yet again, crying foul. But it's where we're at, and
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Speaker 3: it's where we're at. And as you correctly note, there
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Speaker 3: is a panacea out there. It's called the Safe America Act.
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Speaker 3: I saw Mike Johnson, the speaker, just talking about it
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Speaker 3: yet again. Over the weekend, I'm not entirely sure that
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Speaker 3: John Thune's calculus on that question has changed, but if
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Speaker 3: there's going to be a hero, a knight in shining armor,
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Speaker 3: so to speak, David, I suspect that it would be
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Speaker 3: that to save America at this late juncture.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's what we're all hoping for, but
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Speaker 1: it's hopeless to hope for it, honestly, because nobody's going
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Speaker 1: to expect anything to change this close. I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: been fighting this thing for months, and I hate that
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Speaker 1: that's the reality. I hate that I'm sitting here saying, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess we just have to just deal with it.
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Speaker 1: It stinks. But I want to go back to what
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Speaker 1: you talked about, the judicial insurrection, because it's such an
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Speaker 1: important point. And I want to get back to it because...
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Speaker 1: Even though there's this divide in MAGA and people are
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Speaker 1: suggesting that President Trump hasn't done what he promised to
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Speaker 1: do and there's people saying he should indict more people
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Speaker 1: and all these things that they keep laying at his feet,
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Speaker 1: all this blame, this judicial insurrection you talk about has
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Speaker 1: consistently blocked Trump from doing a lot of the things
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Speaker 1: that he's intended on doing, whether it's accountability for some
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Speaker 1: of these folks under Crossfire Hurricane or the Russian collusion,
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Speaker 1: all of these things. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
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Speaker 1: I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. YOU KEEP MEETING JUDGES
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Speaker 1: AND PEOPLE SAYING THESE ARE REPUBLICAN JUDGES OR EVEN TRUMP
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Speaker 1: APPOINTED JUDGES IN THE CASE OF SOME OF THESE JUSTICES.
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Speaker 1: BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE THERE'S STILL THIS ANTI-TRUMP ESTABLISHMENT
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Speaker 1: OUT THERE ON OUR OWN SIDE THAT HAS LIKE, AND
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Speaker 1: MAYBE I'M SEEING THIS WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY
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Speaker 1: HAVE BLOCKED THE PRESIDENT JUST AS SUCCESSFULLY AS THE LEFT
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Speaker 1: HAS DONE IT AND IT'S SO FRUSTRATING FOR ME TO SEE.
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Speaker 1: AM I WRONG? AM I SEEING THIS INCORRECTLY?
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Speaker 3: So even on the lawfare, on the indictments, as you
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Speaker 3: correctly point out, we did see the tossing out of
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Speaker 3: the indictments of people like James Comey, people like Tish James,
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Speaker 3: attorney general of New York State. So the president has
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Speaker 3: had virtually the entirety of his agenda, everything from immigration
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Speaker 3: to tariffs to lawfare and beyond. He has had it stopped.
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Speaker 3: by lower courts and, indeed, the Supreme Court. And, yes,
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Speaker 3: it is true that the least dangerous branch, Article 3,
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Speaker 3: does have the power to serve as a check on
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Speaker 3: Article 1 of the Congress and Article 2 of the
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Speaker 3: executive branch. It is also true that Donald Trump has
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Speaker 3: been the victim of more so-called nationwide universal injunctions and
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Speaker 3: various other similar procedural rulings. than all the other presidents
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Speaker 3: in American history combined. That is just a fact. You
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Speaker 3: can look it up.
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Speaker 2: There are people who track this.
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Speaker 3: And that's not just calling balls and strikes, to paraphrase
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Speaker 3: John Roberts back at the 2005 Senate confirmation hearing. That
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Speaker 3: is putting an ideological thumb on the scales of Trump.
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Speaker 3: had to fight back against that. Listen, there's also the
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Speaker 3: longer-term question of judicial nominees. Now, Donald Trump's lower court
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Speaker 3: picks in both his first term and his second term
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Speaker 3: have been invariably phenomenal. There are very, very, very few
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Speaker 3: Trump picks in the lower courts that I can identify
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Speaker 3: and say that was a miss.
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Speaker 1: There are a handful.
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Speaker 3: It's really neither here nor there. Overwhelming success when it
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Speaker 3: comes to lower courts.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to the question of the U.S.
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Speaker 3: Supreme Court, look, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett are just
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Speaker 3: not Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito.
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Speaker 2: They're just not.
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Speaker 3: Kavanaugh, I tend to prefer slightly to Barrett, but really
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Speaker 3: neither is batting at a high enough average. So there
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Speaker 3: are some things that we're still not getting right when
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Speaker 3: it comes to the absolute highest level of judicial nominations.
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Speaker 3: I thought there was a real chance that Sam Alito
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Speaker 3: might resign this break. He clearly has decided not to
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Speaker 3: do so. So we'll see if Donald Trump gets an
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Speaker 3: opportunity to nominate another justice to the high court. At
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Speaker 3: this point, it's entirely possible, frankly, that he doesn't. But
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Speaker 3: that will be another area to potentially try to remedy
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Speaker 3: the ship of this judicial insurrection if we get that opportunity.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, I try not to sit back in the
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Speaker 1: realm of sort of partisan, conspiracy and be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: everybody is just, you know, it's just all against Trump.
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Speaker 1: But man, like you said, you see this happening and
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Speaker 1: you're so frustrated because Barack Obama was basically able to
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Speaker 1: do whatever he wanted to do with his bench. And
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Speaker 1: then you get Donald Trump and it's like every opportunity,
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Speaker 1: like you said, national injunctions, the Supreme Court handing down
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Speaker 1: decisions that make us go, what? The dissents making a
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Speaker 1: lot more sense than the majority opinions. The three liberal
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Speaker 1: justices consistently holding to their ideology when the conservative justices
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Speaker 1: keep breaking from it. It's very frustrating to me. It's
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Speaker 1: frustrating to a lot of American people. And at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, this isn't about Trump. This isn't
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Speaker 1: about politics. This is about securing American elections. And like
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Speaker 1: you said, Trump has the ability to make rules in
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Speaker 1: his own executive branch. And it's not up to the
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court to decide what the states can and can't
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Speaker 1: do within reason. And so I don't think this makes
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. But look, we'll keep fighting. Josh Hammer,
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Speaker 1: great takes as always. Thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, David. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. For three months, one of the most powerful
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Speaker 1: men in the United States Senate. just kind of vanished.
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Speaker 1: No one would say where he was, how's he doing.
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Speaker 1: We had a couple of proof of life pictures. It
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Speaker 1: led to some wild speculation with whether or not he
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Speaker 1: was even still alive in some instances. But yesterday, yesterday,
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Speaker 1: he showed up to vote. He's resurfacing. But there's still
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Speaker 1: a lot more questions, and the story is far from over.
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Speaker 1: We're discussing all of that right after the break.
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Speaker 1: Last night, we asked a pretty simple question, kind of
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Speaker 1: a ridiculous question. Where's Mitch McConnell? Will he be seen today?
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Speaker 1: For nearly three months, the former leader of the Senate,
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Speaker 1: he's probably one of them, at least was one of
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Speaker 1: the most powerful men in Washington. He vanished from public
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Speaker 1: view after a medical incident. He's calling it a fall. Now,
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Speaker 1: he hasn't cast a vote since June. His office went
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Speaker 1: completely silent, except for those two proof-of-life pictures he got,
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Speaker 1: one with the newspaper. It was really odd. Now, tonight,
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Speaker 1: we have an answer about Mitch McConnell's health. He appears
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Speaker 1: to be back, ending all the speculation about Mitch McConnell.
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Speaker 1: He was wheeled onto the House floor of the United
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Speaker 1: States Senate. And he cast his first vote in 90 days. Now,
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Speaker 1: in a Senate this closely divided, his vote was the
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Speaker 1: deciding one, 47 to 46, to advance another one of
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Speaker 1: President Trump's judicial nominees. That's a win. Can't get upset
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Speaker 1: with the man for that. In a statement, McConnell's office
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Speaker 1: said his recovery has been, quote, well, they say he
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Speaker 1: said it, a long and often frustrating process made harder
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Speaker 1: by the lingering effects of childhood polio that he survived
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Speaker 1: decades ago. He admitted he's, in his words, still not
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Speaker 1: quite back to 100%. He told his colleagues he intends
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Speaker 1: to be there for the tough votes when his conference
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Speaker 1: needs him. And to reporters waiting for him, he put
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Speaker 1: it plainly, time to get back to work. Finished a
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Speaker 1: job for this Congress. So the mystery's solved. That's it.
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Speaker 1: He's alive. He's working, sort of. And the wild speculation
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Speaker 1: that filled the vacuum these past three months can finally
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Speaker 1: be put to rest, right? Well, sort of, because the
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Speaker 1: bigger question remains, how is his cognition? How is his health?
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Speaker 1: Is simply being able to show up to vote smiling?
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Speaker 1: Being propped up by the people who hold power just
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Speaker 1: for the sake of the institution? Is that the principle
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Speaker 1: this republic was founded on? The American people have every
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Speaker 1: right to still ask these questions about the age, health,
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Speaker 1: and fitness of the people who hold power over our lives.
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Speaker 1: That's not being insensitive. It's accountability. Now, let's talk about
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Speaker 1: where this story goes next here with Reaction Social Media Influencer.
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Speaker 1: Greg is fire. Welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time.
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Speaker 1: This story is the weirdest story. It is the weirdest
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Speaker 1: story because we were doing yesterday, we were like watching
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Speaker 1: a reporter staked out in front of his house. Real
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Speaker 1: question about whether or not he would show up. He did.
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Speaker 1: People are questioning whether or not he was alive. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's how crazy this story became. They weren't even sure
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Speaker 1: what the status was of a U.S.
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Speaker 6: Senator.
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Speaker 1: And all we had was two stills. The weirdest thing ever.
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Speaker 1: So now he's back. But, Greg, this doesn't put to
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Speaker 1: rest the concern over, you know, the aging representatives of
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Speaker 1: in Washington without term limits and whether they're representing the
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Speaker 1: interests of their constituents, right?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we need term limits. I'm pretty sure Trump backs
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Speaker 7: term limits too. I'm sure it's the senators who know
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Speaker 7: they've made a fortune and they'll stay in there for
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Speaker 7: as long as it takes. Look at McConnell, barely hanging on,
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Speaker 7: but his wife's probably like, hey, look, you're cashing checks, honey.
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Speaker 7: Let's just make it happen. He talks to him and
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Speaker 7: he's sitting there and he's probably not even making a
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Speaker 7: noise or a peep. I was surprised to see him
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Speaker 7: come out of the vehicle this morning. Now, apparently he
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Speaker 7: took a vote yesterday. Is that right?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Today too.
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Speaker 7: He did take a vote.
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Speaker 1: Well, he was there to take a vote, but they
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Speaker 1: couldn't get cloture. So he didn't have to vote, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: he took a vote yesterday. Actually he was deciding vote.
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Speaker 1: So he's voting.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He's voting.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He's voting.
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Speaker 7: I mean, that's, that's a good step. I think at
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Speaker 7: this point, I think I heard that he missed 61
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Speaker 7: roll calls.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 7: Over this time. I mean, and look, the money they're making,
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Speaker 7: the net worths, it's unbelievable. I don't care if you're
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Speaker 7: Republican or Democrat. We should want reform. We should want
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Speaker 7: term limits. We should want people to come in, do
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Speaker 7: the job, get out. They're getting too comfortable. There's nothing
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Speaker 7: to stop them.
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Speaker 6: They don't care anymore.
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Speaker 7: They don't show up half the time anyways. Even if
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Speaker 7: Mitch McConnell was healthy, you look at some of the
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Speaker 7: senators who don't even show up for a lot of
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Speaker 7: the votes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, it is not a knock on the man.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that he's alive and healthy-ish. Honestly, I am.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't ever wish anyone harm, and he's
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Speaker 1: been a good Republican for a lot of part of
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Speaker 1: his career. Now, lately, there's been some beef with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: He hasn't backed the Save America Act. That's very frustrating.
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Speaker 1: But that being said, nobody's wishing him harm. Nobody's wishing
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Speaker 1: anything ill-will towards him. But the fact remains, that seat
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Speaker 1: doesn't belong to him. And you mentioned... IT'S A PAYCHECK
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Speaker 1: FOR HIM. I DON'T THINK IT'S A PAYCHECK FOR HIM.
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Speaker 1: I THINK IT'S A I THINK IT'S THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM.
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Speaker 1: IT'S THE INFLUENCE THAT THEY'RE WILLING AROUND. IT'S THE POWER
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Speaker 1: THAT THEY'RE WILLING AROUND. IT'S THE JOBS OF HIS STAFF
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Speaker 1: THAT THEY'RE WILLING AROUND. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE OBLIGATIONS. I
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Speaker 1: DON'T THINK THE MITCH MCCONNELL THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO THE
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Speaker 1: FLOOR TO VOTE IS THE MITCH MCCONNELL THAT HIS VOTERS ELECTED.
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Speaker 1: I THINK IT'S THE MITCH MCCONNELL. THAT'S WHAT HE'S THERE
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Speaker 1: TO SERVE. HE'S THERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT SORT
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Speaker 1: OF ORBIT HIM, AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT'S NOT
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Speaker 1: SERVING THE PEOPLE BECAUSE HOW CAN ANYBODY ARGUE THAT HE
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Speaker 1: IS ADVOCATING FOR THE PEOPLE OF HIS DISTRICT? AT THIS
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Speaker 1: POINT HE'S NOT. I CAN'T IMAGINE HE IS, RIGHT?
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Speaker 8: YEAH, I KNOW.
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Speaker 7: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THINK REALLY HE KNOWS WHAT'S
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Speaker 7: GOING ON. IT'S LIKE A JOE BIDEN TYPE OF THING
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Speaker 7: GOING ON. EVEN WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS IN, THE DIFFERENCE
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Speaker 7: BETWEEN THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT HAS ALWAYS We weren't
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Speaker 7: going around saying, oh, I hope this is it for
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Speaker 7: Joe Biden. You know, I remember a lot of my
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Speaker 7: friends going, oh, wow, this is crazy. Like we felt
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Speaker 7: so bad that he was put in that position and
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Speaker 7: we knew he was just carrying out his duties. Like
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Speaker 7: you're saying, like Mitch McConnell, everyone around him just saying,
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Speaker 7: keep the ship going, keep the Democrats in power. I
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Speaker 7: feel like the same thing's happening with Mitch McConnell. You've
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Speaker 7: had that seat for so long. They're afraid to lose
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Speaker 7: that to a Democrat or at least afraid to lose
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Speaker 7: that to somebody that they don't know, shake hands with
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Speaker 7: backstage and know the game with. The game gets rigged
18:04
Speaker 7: by these people that are in for so long. So
18:07
Speaker 7: that's why I think Mitch McConnell is no longer doing
18:09
Speaker 7: the votes that we want. Like, we're not happy with
18:12
Speaker 7: a lot of these, you know, what do you call it?
18:14
Speaker 7: Establishment Republicans that just sit in an office. They make
18:17
Speaker 7: such good friendships. They no longer have to really, you know, fight.
18:21
Speaker 7: They don't have to do anything. They're just like, hey,
18:23
Speaker 7: it's more important for them to sit back and go, yeah,
18:25
Speaker 7: I can help you, buddy. I can help you, buddy.
18:27
Speaker 7: more so than the actual people. And I'm sick of it,
18:29
Speaker 7: to be honest with you.
18:30
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I think that that's consistent with what
18:32
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel. And it's not his. They
18:35
Speaker 1: could have given that seat. They could have had an
18:37
Speaker 1: election and put somebody in place that could have actively...
18:41
Speaker 1: REPRESENTED THE VOTERS OF KENTUCKY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT BALLS
18:43
Speaker 1: DOWN TO. THAT SEAT DOES NOT BELONG. NONE OF THESE
18:45
Speaker 1: SEATS BELONG TO THE POLITICIAN. THEY BELONG TO THE PEOPLE.
18:49
Speaker 1: AND THESE ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT THEY BUILD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE
18:52
Speaker 1: FOR ANYBODY TO CHALLENGE THEM, ESPECIALLY SENIOR LEADERSHIP LIKE MITCH MCCONNELL.
18:56
Speaker 1: YOU CAN'T BEAT MITCH MCCONNELL. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY
18:58
Speaker 1: COMES IN HIS CAMPAIGNS FROM EVERYWHERE? BECAUSE HE IS, LIKE
19:01
Speaker 1: YOU SAID, A PROVEN COMMODITY, A PROVEN VOTE. HE SHAKES
19:03
Speaker 1: HANDS WITH PEOPLE. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FIX.
19:05
Speaker 1: THAT'S WHY PEOPLE FEEL FRUSTRATED. And, you know, we need
19:08
Speaker 1: certain votes to back the president, especially with Save America. Look,
19:12
Speaker 1: I'm glad McConnell's doing better. I still think what he
19:15
Speaker 1: represents is is really something that needs to be fixed.
19:19
Speaker 1: And that's term limits and actual representation.
19:22
Speaker 7: Yeah, I hope he comes out of this and somebody
19:25
Speaker 7: gets this, you know, comes out of this healthy, retires.
19:28
Speaker 7: Somebody gets the seat that's aggressive, younger. They need to
19:31
Speaker 7: put somebody on that's going to be in there and
19:33
Speaker 7: obviously have the president's back. We've got a couple more years.
19:35
Speaker 7: We need to get it done now. We've waited too long.
19:38
Speaker 7: I've been pushing myself saying, hey, look, even when I
19:40
Speaker 7: hear criticisms, I'm like, look, I'm not beholden to anybody.
19:44
Speaker 7: I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm a conservative first. I
19:47
Speaker 7: want some of these things done that are going to
19:48
Speaker 7: save our country, you know. We can't be letting loose
19:51
Speaker 7: ends when the Democrats one day get back in office.
19:54
Speaker 7: We got to get it done now. So we need
19:55
Speaker 7: to get it done under Trump. He's one of the
19:57
Speaker 7: strongest voices we're going to have. He's not an establishment Republican,
20:01
Speaker 7: regardless of what people say about his second term. He's
20:04
Speaker 7: still going to be out there and speak. I just
20:06
Speaker 7: heard him saying, we can't have this crazy mass migration.
20:08
Speaker 7: We got to keep the border safe You're not seeing
20:11
Speaker 7: that in a lot of the Western world right now.
20:13
Speaker 7: So we got to get stuff done now.
20:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Greg is fire. Thank you so much
20:17
Speaker 1: for being here as always. Great takes. And I look
20:19
Speaker 1: forward to having you on again real soon, my friend.
20:21
Speaker 2: Thanks, David. You're awesome, man.
20:22
Speaker 7: Appreciate you.
20:23
Speaker 1: You are awesome too. Thank you.
20:25
Speaker 2: Coming up.
20:26
Speaker 1: A former researcher at one of the biggest AI companies
20:29
Speaker 1: on Earth? Well, he says the technology he's creating could
20:34
Speaker 1: kill us all. And 160 million people have watched him
20:39
Speaker 1: say it. Is anyone in Washington listening? It is time
20:42
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Speaker 1: AI, AI seems to be taking over everything. And outside
21:31
Speaker 1: of flock cameras, I don't think people are more concerned
21:35
Speaker 1: about a technology outside of AI. And it's about to
21:39
Speaker 1: reshape every single corner of your life. And it's advancing
21:44
Speaker 1: faster than almost anyone is ready for. Here's an uncomfortable
21:49
Speaker 1: question nobody in Washington has an answer to. Who is
21:53
Speaker 1: making sure that Any of this is done safely. And
21:57
Speaker 1: the answer right now is really not that many people.
22:00
Speaker 1: It's kind of nobody. I mean, there is some legislation
22:03
Speaker 1: out there, but I don't know if it's coming soon enough.
22:06
Speaker 1: Let's go back three years. Call them the titans of
22:09
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. The very men building this technology sat down
22:14
Speaker 1: with United States Senate and warned them in their own words.
22:17
Speaker 1: These are the people who make it of a civilizational risk.
22:22
Speaker 1: And this isn't some old story fading into the past.
22:25
Speaker 1: Just this week, a former researcher from one of the
22:28
Speaker 1: biggest AI companies in the world went public with a
22:31
Speaker 1: warning that the technology they are building could, quote, kill
22:36
Speaker 1: us all. Why are they creating it? Why are they
22:41
Speaker 1: creating a technology?
22:42
Speaker 6: Anyway.
22:44
Speaker 1: That warning has now been seen more than 160 million times.
22:49
Speaker 1: And his former colleagues, they're not laughing at this. One
22:52
Speaker 1: of them who leads safety research at that very same company,
22:55
Speaker 1: he believes that it is better than a one in
22:58
Speaker 1: 10 chance that AI, oh my gosh, that AI causes
23:03
Speaker 1: human extinction within a decade. One in 10, it's a
23:09
Speaker 1: 10% chance. These are the people building it, saying that
23:13
Speaker 1: there's a 10% chance it ends us. And after three
23:17
Speaker 1: years of warning like that, countless hearings, task forces, speeches,
23:22
Speaker 1: Congress hasn't really passed any comprehensive regulations. So President Trump
23:27
Speaker 1: has stepped in. He signed an executive order to create
23:29
Speaker 1: what he calls one rulebook, a single national standard for
23:32
Speaker 1: AI to stop a patchwork of 50 different state laws
23:35
Speaker 1: from strangling American innovation. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE.
23:41
Speaker 1: THE MORE WE LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO, I GUESS, HARNESS
23:46
Speaker 1: THIS TECHNOLOGY, OTHER COUNTRIES ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
23:49
Speaker 1: PRESIDENT TRUMP DOESN'T WANT TO SEE CHINA HAVE ANY ADVANTAGE.
23:57
Speaker 1: HE LOOKED AT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND HE CALLED IT
24:00
Speaker 1: A SUBSIDY TO BIG TECH THAT LETS TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES RUN WILD.
24:04
Speaker 1: AND CONGRESSWOMAN MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE CAME OUT AGAINST IT. AND
24:08
Speaker 1: PLENTY OF LEGAL SCHOLARS ARE ARGUING THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER CAN'T
24:11
Speaker 1: LEGALLY OVERRIDE STATE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE. ONLY CONGRESS
24:14
Speaker 1: CAN DO THAT. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? THE
24:16
Speaker 1: MOST POWERFUL TECHNOLOGY IN THE HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE
24:19
Speaker 1: IS BEING BUILT AT BREAK-NECK SPEED BY PEOPLE WHO THEMSELVES
24:22
Speaker 1: ARE WARNING IT CAN END US. And the government of
24:28
Speaker 1: the United States can't agree on how to regulate them.
24:32
Speaker 1: To talk about where this thing goes next, and somebody's
24:34
Speaker 1: been sounding the alarm on this for years. He built
24:36
Speaker 1: an entire social media platform to kind of fight it
24:40
Speaker 1: in some ways. Jeff Dornick, founder of Pickaxe, my good friend.
24:43
Speaker 1: Welcome back to David Pollak Prime Time. You go first.
24:51
Speaker 2: Honestly, with all of this, right?
24:54
Speaker 9: I'm just sitting here and I'm like, there's a propaganda
24:57
Speaker 9: machine that's happening on both sides of the aisle right now.
25:01
Speaker 9: Like on one hand, you've got the anti-AI crowd that's like,
25:04
Speaker 9: it's going to destroy humanity. Everybody's going to die instantaneously
25:08
Speaker 9: because AI robots are going to go rogue and we
25:10
Speaker 9: have Terminator. And then you've got the other side, like,
25:12
Speaker 9: you know, that's President Trump pushing the narrative that like,
25:15
Speaker 9: there's no chance that that's going to happen. And anybody
25:17
Speaker 9: who says that is a Chinese propagandist. And at a
25:20
Speaker 9: certain point, I'm kind of looking at this and I'm like,
25:22
Speaker 9: I don't necessarily agree with either side, and I also
25:24
Speaker 9: agree with both sides at the same time. Like, the
25:27
Speaker 9: truth is somewhere in the middle or this kind of
25:29
Speaker 9: third option where there is potential for great, amazing things
25:33
Speaker 9: that we can do with AI. There's also potential for
25:35
Speaker 9: utter destruction in the end of humanity. Like you said,
25:37
Speaker 9: there's that 10% chance that AI could destroy us all.
25:41
Speaker 2: I think that's very valid. I think it's very legit.
25:44
Speaker 9: We are also in a race with artificial, with China
25:48
Speaker 9: over the AI race.
25:49
Speaker 2: That is a very real scenario.
25:51
Speaker 9: And then there's also a very real scenario that we're
25:53
Speaker 9: dealing with AI companies going crazy when it comes to
25:57
Speaker 9: surveillance state, when it comes to all sorts of applications
26:00
Speaker 9: that I think are wildly unconstitutional and violate our civil
26:04
Speaker 9: rights and liberties. And so I'm just sitting here in
26:06
Speaker 9: the middle and I'm like, I disagree and agree with
26:08
Speaker 9: everybody on all sides simultaneously, which is a very weird
26:11
Speaker 9: place to be in.
26:12
Speaker 1: Jeff, because I see the opportunity in AI. I mean,
26:17
Speaker 1: with efficiencies and really it's a tool like any other
26:21
Speaker 1: tool You know, it's like being afraid of the lawnmower.
26:24
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, my, you know, my mules that
26:26
Speaker 1: pull the whatever you used to mow the lawn with
26:29
Speaker 1: on fields back in the day before technology happened. Maybe
26:32
Speaker 1: I'm struggling with an analogy. I need AI to help me.
26:34
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, technology has always
26:38
Speaker 1: helped us. But AI, I think, freaks people out a
26:41
Speaker 1: little bit because a lot of the concern is over
26:44
Speaker 1: the fact that, OK, but once we set this thing loose,
26:46
Speaker 1: like it's like putting out a virus. We won't be
26:48
Speaker 1: able to control it anymore. And a lot of the
26:50
Speaker 1: conversation has been built around, you know, it's breaking its
26:53
Speaker 1: containment and starting its own viruses and hacking into places
26:57
Speaker 1: and all of these things. But the reality is this.
27:01
Speaker 1: We can regulate it in the United States. And this
27:03
Speaker 1: is what the tug of war has been about. We
27:04
Speaker 1: can regulate this in the United States. We can put
27:07
Speaker 1: the brakes on in the United States if we can
27:09
Speaker 1: at a federal level. And there's some argument with whether
27:11
Speaker 1: or not we can. Certain states can regulate it. But
27:14
Speaker 1: China is moving full speed ahead at developing AI. Data
27:19
Speaker 1: centers tied directly into this because you need these massive
27:21
Speaker 1: data centers to process all the information that AI needs
27:24
Speaker 1: to do its thing too. And China isn't stopping its
27:27
Speaker 1: building of the data centers either. So where you have
27:29
Speaker 1: China harnessing full throttle data centers and AI, And you
27:35
Speaker 1: have the United States saying, well, I don't quite trust this.
27:37
Speaker 1: It can end humanity. Well, should we let the only
27:40
Speaker 1: country with the power to end humanity be a country
27:42
Speaker 1: that's our biggest adversary? So I understand Trump's position like, hey, guys,
27:47
Speaker 1: we're going to regulate ourselves into extinction with this. What
27:50
Speaker 1: do you make of all this, Jeff?
27:51
Speaker 9: So, again, it's a very nuanced conversation, which is difficult
27:55
Speaker 9: to condense. But the reality of it is, is that
27:58
Speaker 9: it is a very real scenario that whoever wins the
28:01
Speaker 9: AI race wins. Basically has the chance to dominate the world,
28:04
Speaker 9: has the chance to rule the world. And Elon Musk
28:06
Speaker 9: a few years ago said that there's going to be
28:08
Speaker 9: two potential scenarios, neither of which I really like, but
28:11
Speaker 9: two potential end games. And he said this to Benjamin
28:12
Speaker 9: Netanyahu a few years ago. One is you're going to
28:15
Speaker 9: have Terminator. I would argue that the Terminator scenario is
28:17
Speaker 9: if China wins, wins the AI race. So that's a
28:20
Speaker 9: very real scenario that we have to deal with. Because
28:22
Speaker 9: they're already dealing with robotics. They're dealing with AI. They're
28:24
Speaker 9: dealing with the weaponization of it. It's going to be
28:26
Speaker 9: kind of like Iron Man 2 with those humanoid robots
28:29
Speaker 9: that are run by AI.
28:30
Speaker 2: Very real scenario. We could see Terminator if China wins.
28:33
Speaker 2: That's for real.
28:35
Speaker 9: On the other side, you've got Elon Musk describing heaven
28:39
Speaker 9: on earth in the best case scenario. I would argue
28:41
Speaker 9: that in all reality, the heaven on earth scenario would
28:43
Speaker 9: be if the United States wins the race, that's more
28:47
Speaker 9: what we'd experience.
28:48
Speaker 2: But then he goes on to describe what heaven on
28:51
Speaker 2: earth is.
28:51
Speaker 9: And what he describes is what he later has called
28:54
Speaker 9: a communist utopia where humans don't work because AI and
28:58
Speaker 9: robots will do everything. We'll live on either a UBI
29:02
Speaker 9: or there'll be no more need for money because it's
29:05
Speaker 9: all AI-driven. So then it just comes down to power
29:09
Speaker 9: and resources. the centralization of power, really, it just comes
29:13
Speaker 9: from the government. We're all reliant either on the government
29:15
Speaker 9: or these tech companies. And we just live a hedonistic lifestyle.
29:18
Speaker 9: We just sit around on our couch. We watch TV
29:20
Speaker 9: inside of our brains and we go about our days.
29:23
Speaker 2: And I don't want either one.
29:24
Speaker 9: Of those scenarios because that doesn't represent American values and
29:27
Speaker 9: neither does Terminator.
29:28
Speaker 2: And so it's one of those things where there's got
29:30
Speaker 2: to be.
29:31
Speaker 9: An America first option here that actually puts American people
29:35
Speaker 9: first and actually values our constitutional rights. And I think
29:38
Speaker 9: that that's where a lot of the fight over the
29:40
Speaker 9: AI data centers, in my opinion, is a distraction. We
29:43
Speaker 9: need AI data centers in order to combat China. That
29:46
Speaker 9: is 100% true. But also I think the conversation we
29:50
Speaker 9: should be having is what is the application of artificial
29:53
Speaker 9: intelligence into American life? What do we want to see
29:57
Speaker 9: You know, this new world with AI look like in
30:01
Speaker 9: America where we're not just giving over all power and
30:04
Speaker 9: control to AI and robots.
30:05
Speaker 2: We no longer have purpose as human beings. We no
30:07
Speaker 2: longer work. We no longer own anything.
30:09
Speaker 9: And I think that's the conversation we should be having,
30:12
Speaker 9: not fighting over whether we should be fast tracking or
30:15
Speaker 9: slowing down AI. To me, I think it's more about
30:17
Speaker 9: how are we applying AI within the American way of life?
30:22
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's an answer yet that we
30:24
Speaker 1: have figured out. All I know is it's creating definitely
30:27
Speaker 1: more ammunition for people to use against one side or
30:31
Speaker 1: the other, pointing blames. I mean, you've seen the debates
30:34
Speaker 1: playing out right now on social media. I'm sure you're
30:35
Speaker 1: seeing it on your platform, pro and against President Trump's position,
30:39
Speaker 1: other people's positions. It's a mess. We've got to figure
30:41
Speaker 1: it out. And I think the only solution to this
30:43
Speaker 1: is at least for us to put aside what are
30:46
Speaker 1: perceived to be partisan values here and kind of look
30:49
Speaker 1: at the, like you said, the America first outcome of this.
30:52
Speaker 1: We have to figure this out because it is the
30:54
Speaker 1: future one way or the other. And either we're subject
30:57
Speaker 1: to it or we're in control of it. And I
30:59
Speaker 1: think that's the conversation that we're going to have to
31:01
Speaker 1: keep having. Jeff Dornick, thank you so much for being
31:03
Speaker 1: here as always. Great conversation.
31:04
Speaker 2: Thank you. Appreciate it.
31:08
Speaker 1: Tomorrow afternoon, the Federal Reserve decides whether to raise the
31:13
Speaker 1: cost of your mortgage, your car, and your credit card
31:17
Speaker 1: payments seven weeks before an election. We have Grant Cardone
31:21
Speaker 1: on the Cardone Zone telling you why there might actually
31:25
Speaker 1: be an opportunity if rates go up. You're not going
31:28
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32:13
Speaker 1: You're going to hear a lot about the Federal Reserve
32:17
Speaker 1: over the next few days because tomorrow afternoon at around
32:21
Speaker 1: 2 o'clock, they're going to make a decision that could
32:25
Speaker 1: hit your wallet harder than just about anything Congress can do.
32:30
Speaker 1: And right now, a lot of experts are saying that
32:33
Speaker 1: the Fed will most likely hike rates. That's right. We're
32:38
Speaker 1: not talking about cutting rates, as Trump has been asking for.
32:42
Speaker 1: We're talking about a potential rate hike. It's expected due
32:46
Speaker 1: to inflation related to energy from the war with Iran.
32:50
Speaker 1: But the rate hike, it just doesn't impact energy. It
32:53
Speaker 1: would raise the cost of mortgages, your car loan, your
32:56
Speaker 1: credit card, and the interest on our national debt. And
33:00
Speaker 1: let's be honest, this comes at the absolute worst possible
33:05
Speaker 1: moment with seven weeks before an election, with families already
33:08
Speaker 1: stretched thin, with everybody already talking about the economy. Of course,
33:12
Speaker 1: President Trump is in an all-out fight to stop the
33:15
Speaker 1: rate hike. The president, the vice president, the treasury secretary,
33:19
Speaker 1: they've all been hammering the same message. The Fed's new chairman,
33:23
Speaker 1: do not, please do not raise rates. Cut them. Trump
33:28
Speaker 1: has said rates should be a full three points lower
33:31
Speaker 1: to ease the crushing cost of the national debt and
33:35
Speaker 1: let this economy just run. And he's got the ammunition
33:38
Speaker 1: because last month's job reports, it came in at nearly
33:41
Speaker 1: triple what experts predicted. The economy is strong. There seems
33:45
Speaker 1: to be no reason for a hike, except maybe for politics.
33:49
Speaker 1: And my next guest is also sounding the alarm about
33:51
Speaker 1: what happens if the Fed gets this wrong. He posted
33:54
Speaker 1: this morning this, saying, if rates don't come down, there
33:59
Speaker 1: will be problems of biblical proportions across banking as $ 1
34:02
Speaker 1: trillion in debt maturing this year and majority is held
34:06
Speaker 1: with banks. It's a buyer's market with loans maturing, rents flat,
34:10
Speaker 1: interest rates climbing. It takes courage, but he also says
34:13
Speaker 1: this is where the big money is made. Always an optimist.
34:16
Speaker 1: A trillion dollars in debt coming due, most of it
34:19
Speaker 1: sitting on the books of the banks. And at the
34:22
Speaker 1: exact moment, the Fed is thinking about making that debt
34:25
Speaker 1: more expensive. He calls it a risk of biblical proportions.
34:28
Speaker 1: He also calls it an opportunity of a lifetime. For
34:31
Speaker 1: anyone with the courage to move, he's a man who
34:34
Speaker 1: built an empire doing exactly this and taking advantage of opportunities.
34:38
Speaker 1: Let's get his take. I'm honored to welcome Mr. Grant
34:40
Speaker 1: Cardone back to Dave Pollack Prime Time. We're calling this
34:42
Speaker 1: the Cardone Zone, my favorite weekly economic segment. So, Grant,
34:47
Speaker 1: explain this. Rates go up. A lot of people are
34:49
Speaker 1: freaking out about it. You say there's opportunity, but let's
34:52
Speaker 1: first start about the biblical proportions of the consequences of
34:56
Speaker 1: a rate hike.
34:57
Speaker 6: Well, look, you have loans maturing, right, in this cycle.
35:00
Speaker 10: So there's about a trillion dollars worth of loans across apartments, hotels, hospitality.
35:05
Speaker 10: Some of that's held with Fannie and Freddie Mac. Most
35:08
Speaker 10: of it, though, is held by regional banks or even
35:11
Speaker 10: big banks, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, et cetera. So that's
35:14
Speaker 10: where most of America keeps their savings, their checking. and
35:19
Speaker 10: maybe their money market accounts, okay? That money is lent
35:23
Speaker 10: out when you drop money at your checking account, savings account,
35:26
Speaker 10: or money market. That money is then lent to people
35:28
Speaker 10: like me that borrow money on three-year, five-year, seven-year, 10-year.
35:33
Speaker 10: A lot of this money was borrowed three and five
35:34
Speaker 10: years ago back in 2020, 2022, and it's due this year.
35:39
Speaker 10: It's a trillion this year. It's almost 900 billion next year.
35:42
Speaker 6: It's due. Guess what? When your lease payment's due on
35:46
Speaker 6: your car, you got to turn the car in.
35:48
Speaker 10: When your mortgage payment is due on the loan, you
35:52
Speaker 10: have to either refinance the loan or you have to
35:54
Speaker 10: sell the property. We have the highest supply of assets,
35:59
Speaker 10: properties for sale today than we've had since 2008, maybe
36:03
Speaker 10: since 2000.
36:03
Speaker 6: This is the biggest.
36:07
Speaker 10: Single real estate opportunity in my 68 years being on
36:09
Speaker 10: this planet, looking at real estate. But it's terrifying because.
36:17
Speaker 10: This trillion dollars cannot be paid back. The trillion dollars
36:20
Speaker 10: in debt, David, is probably only worth $ 600 billion.
36:24
Speaker 6: So somebody has to come up with $ 400.
36:26
Speaker 10: Billion in losses or to show losses on their books,
36:31
Speaker 10: and the banks don't want to do that. So last
36:33
Speaker 10: thing I'll say about that is this. I don't think
36:36
Speaker 10: the Fed raises tomorrow just for these very reasons. The
36:43
Speaker 10: only solution here is lower interest rates. And it's like
36:48
Speaker 10: Trump's being played right now by someone, but I believe
36:51
Speaker 10: he'll figure out how to pull this off and get
36:53
Speaker 10: rates lower.
36:55
Speaker 1: So that, I mean, I hope, I hope they don't
36:57
Speaker 1: raise rates. At the last Fed meeting, there was some
36:59
Speaker 1: votes for raising and obviously Warsh— was in favor of
37:03
Speaker 1: keeping them the same, not lowering them as the president.
37:05
Speaker 6: Most all the banks think that they're going to reach through, yeah.
37:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trump has said, look, he supports Warsh. He
37:10
Speaker 1: has confidence in him. So we'll see what they do.
37:12
Speaker 1: But let me break this down a little bit because
37:14
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. You say opportunity. The last big opportunity
37:17
Speaker 1: came at a tremendous financial meltdown when they were basically
37:21
Speaker 1: selling everything at a fire sale. And yeah, there were
37:24
Speaker 1: some real estate opportunities. Nobody had any cash, but there
37:26
Speaker 1: was real estate opportunities. Are you suggesting that If they
37:29
Speaker 1: raise rates, we might have a massive market sell-off when
37:32
Speaker 1: these notes come due?
37:34
Speaker 10: We already have a market sell-off right now. It's just
37:37
Speaker 10: being quietly done with guys like me and institutions. And
37:41
Speaker 10: where middle America, you know, the people out there trying
37:46
Speaker 10: to buy a home or trade their home, you're looking
37:48
Speaker 10: too small in the food chain. You need to be
37:50
Speaker 10: looking for the big fish right now. You like my
37:52
Speaker 10: fishing analogies, right? So, you know, when the fish aren't biting,
37:56
Speaker 10: move the boat, man.
37:57
Speaker 6: That's what I say.
37:59
Speaker 10: And then if you're not catching what you want, you
38:02
Speaker 10: gotta move to where.
38:04
Speaker 6: The pain is. You gotta follow the money, okay?
38:07
Speaker 10: And unfortunately, most Americans are trying to buy a house
38:10
Speaker 10: when they should be trying to buy the block.
38:13
Speaker 6: This is an opportunity.
38:14
Speaker 10: In 2010, Blackstone went and bought 10,000 condos in Miami.
38:24
Speaker 10: I saw this in the news on the internet. I
38:27
Speaker 10: was in Los Angeles. I lived in Los Angeles at
38:29
Speaker 10: the time. This is what entrepreneurs do when they see opportunity.
38:33
Speaker 10: I sold my house the following week, took all the
38:36
Speaker 10: money and went and bought Miami because I was following
38:39
Speaker 10: the money.
38:40
Speaker 6: Okay.
38:41
Speaker 10: And this is what people should be doing right now.
38:43
Speaker 10: Big institutions are having to sell these big 150, 200 unit,
38:46
Speaker 10: 300 unit complexes and Smart people right now should learn
38:53
Speaker 10: about apartment investing, how to buy cashflow, how to get
38:56
Speaker 10: loans on it, how to raise money for it.
38:58
Speaker 6: And you will make, you'll make more money in.
39:01
Speaker 10: The next 10 years than you've made, than your family's
39:04
Speaker 10: made in the last 400.
39:06
Speaker 1: So, if I'm understanding this correctly, and this is why
39:08
Speaker 1: I love these segments, because when we have a billionaire
39:10
Speaker 1: on to tell people how to think like a billionaire
39:13
Speaker 1: and not think, you know, in the circumstances they're in,
39:15
Speaker 1: when homebuyers or people with cash, you know, who are thinking,
39:18
Speaker 1: I really wanted to buy a single-family home, and they're like,
39:21
Speaker 1: look at these rates. This is really bad for me.
39:23
Speaker 1: You're sitting here saying, stop thinking like you're buying a
39:25
Speaker 1: single family home. Think like an entrepreneur and look for
39:28
Speaker 1: the opportunities for buying things outside of the single family home.
39:32
Speaker 1: Maybe rent a little longer and take that money you've
39:35
Speaker 1: been saving and look at buying at least an equity
39:37
Speaker 1: share in an apartment building with a group of folks.
39:40
Speaker 1: That's what you're telling people to do right now. Stop
39:42
Speaker 1: being reactionary, reacting to the market, instead getting ahead of
39:46
Speaker 1: the market and find ways to make money regardless of
39:48
Speaker 1: where interest rates are.
39:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, now your audience is going to say, well, you know,
39:51
Speaker 6: who can do that? I don't have enough money. OK, but,
39:53
Speaker 6: you know. You want to buy a car, you want
39:56
Speaker 6: to buy the car dealership. If you buy the car dealership,
39:58
Speaker 6: if you'd actually get an education how.
39:59
Speaker 10: To buy the car dealership, you never have to buy
40:01
Speaker 10: another car in your life. What I'm suggesting to people,
40:04
Speaker 10: I started with no money. OK, literally three thousand bucks,
40:07
Speaker 10: but but a tremendous amount of desire to be successful
40:11
Speaker 10: and have have my financial life fixed. And I studied
40:14
Speaker 10: real estate for three years. And right now, this cycle,
40:17
Speaker 10: it was late 1990s, there was a cycle. 2008 was
40:22
Speaker 10: the next cycle. That was 18 years. Here we are
40:24
Speaker 10: 18 years later. It's game time, man. You don't need
40:29
Speaker 10: to wait till Sunday or Thursday night football. This is
40:32
Speaker 10: game time for middle-class America to make more wealth in
40:36
Speaker 10: the next decade than your family has made in the
40:38
Speaker 10: last 400 years.
40:40
Speaker 1: And it's all about investing in the right thing and
40:43
Speaker 1: what you're saying, to be clear. Now, if somebody says, OK, Grant,
40:46
Speaker 1: that sounds great. How do I go buy a fraction interest?
40:49
Speaker 1: I can't afford a whole apartment building. How can I
40:52
Speaker 1: buy a fractionary interest in an apartment building where I
40:55
Speaker 1: can make that wealth that you're talking about?
40:57
Speaker 6: You can't do it if the first thing you do
40:58
Speaker 6: is throw in the towel and say, I can't do that.
41:00
Speaker 10: So like I can't even talk to somebody that immediately
41:03
Speaker 10: throws the towel in. OK, this is the easiest debt
41:06
Speaker 10: you will ever get is the kind of loans I'm
41:10
Speaker 10: talking This is easier to get a loan on a
41:12
Speaker 10: 200 unit apartment complex than it is.
41:15
Speaker 5: A $ 400, 000 house.
41:19
Speaker 10: Unfortunately, nobody knows about it because all this information has
41:22
Speaker 10: been kept private to the big institutions. And I'm showing
41:26
Speaker 10: people how I did this. I've done this without big banks, David.
41:29
Speaker 10: I've done it by learning how they do it. I
41:32
Speaker 10: mimicked what they were doing. I put the strategy they
41:36
Speaker 10: were using in place. I raised money from friends, family,
41:39
Speaker 10: and on social media, which is actually legal today. I've
41:42
Speaker 10: raised $ 2 billion from friends, family, customers, and employees. And
41:47
Speaker 10: I go out and buy large institutional quality real estate
41:50
Speaker 10: that institutions have to sell, by the way. They have
41:53
Speaker 10: to sell their assets. because they have to report their profits.
41:58
Speaker 10: And they're in trouble right now. It's like in 2008,
42:04
Speaker 10: the stripper went and bought four houses. In 2020, the
42:10
Speaker 10: institution went and bought 20,000 units. And they both basically
42:15
Speaker 10: did the same thing, okay? They over leveraged and took
42:19
Speaker 10: on too much debt. And that's why I said this
42:22
Speaker 10: is biblical proportions.
42:26
Speaker 1: I love it.
42:27
Speaker 6: It's bigger than 2008.
42:29
Speaker 1: I love it. And I love that advice. I'm sure
42:32
Speaker 1: people are going to have lots of questions. And I'm
42:34
Speaker 1: sure these strategies are, I know this isn't like a,
42:36
Speaker 1: this isn't a sales pitch. You come on to give
42:37
Speaker 1: great advice to the audience. This isn't a sponsored segment.
42:40
Speaker 1: I'm legitimately asking this question. If people want to learn
42:43
Speaker 1: these strategies, I'm assuming you've packaged this up, right? So
42:46
Speaker 1: they can go and find it.
42:48
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not trying to sell anybody anything. I'm telling you,
42:50
Speaker 10: I will try to sell the American public this. If
42:53
Speaker 10: you keep just simply waiting for 40 acres.
42:59
Speaker 6: And a mule, okay? Which is basically what a single
43:02
Speaker 6: family home is. That's all you're ever gonna get.
43:07
Speaker 7: Lever up.
43:07
Speaker 10: Nobody ever got rich buying a single-family home ever in
43:10
Speaker 10: the history of the world. Warren Buffett owned one house.
43:12
Speaker 10: Steve Jobs owned one house. Elon Musk doesn't own a home.
43:16
Speaker 10: The richest people in the world don't want homes. They
43:18
Speaker 10: want investments that cash flow, that depreciate, and that live
43:22
Speaker 10: for long, long periods of time.
43:23
Speaker 6: And right now, Americans have this one moment in time.
43:26
Speaker 10: This window is going to open and close literally in
43:29
Speaker 10: the next three years.
43:31
Speaker 6: It'll be shut.
43:32
Speaker 10: And either Americans are going to buy this, David Pollack
43:36
Speaker 10: and your people are going to buy it, Grant Cardone
43:38
Speaker 10: and his family is going to buy it, or the
43:39
Speaker 10: institutions are just going to keep loading up and owning
43:42
Speaker 10: all of America.
43:43
Speaker 6: Because they just recycle these assets amongst one another.
43:47
Speaker 10: And I have figured out a way to crack the
43:49
Speaker 10: code and buy from the Blackstones and the Starwoods, the Camdens,
43:53
Speaker 10: the Avalons, the MetLife, the New York. These are trillion-dollar
43:56
Speaker 10: companies that I'm doing deals with, and I'm proof that
43:59
Speaker 10: anyone can do this.
44:01
Speaker 1: I love it. It's hope. It's hope. And why I
44:03
Speaker 1: love these segments so much, Grant, is because if you
44:06
Speaker 1: turn on the news, all you're going to hear is
44:07
Speaker 1: doom and gloom. Interest rates go up. I mean, I
44:09
Speaker 1: even said it in my monologue. My assumption was rates
44:11
Speaker 1: are going to go up. It's going to crush everybody.
44:13
Speaker 6: I almost killed myself in your monologue.
44:15
Speaker 2: What's that?
44:16
Speaker 6: I almost killed myself.
44:18
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. It's about changing the mentality. And
44:21
Speaker 1: I went into this segment thinking interest rates are going
44:23
Speaker 1: to go up. This is terrible for America. And then
44:26
Speaker 1: you come on and say, guys, you're not looking at
44:28
Speaker 1: it this right way. Flip the table over and find
44:30
Speaker 1: the opportunities underneath it. Grant Cardone, I love the Cardone
44:33
Speaker 1: zones on Tuesdays. I can't wait to talk to you
44:36
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. And we'll talk more about the opportunities for
44:38
Speaker 1: all America. Thank you so much for being here.
44:41
Speaker 2: Thanks, David.
44:43
Speaker 1: Still ahead, the rapper Macklemore. He appears to hate everything
44:48
Speaker 1: about America, except it's free speech protections. More on him
44:52
Speaker 1: getting kicked off a tour for the things that came
44:55
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. That's coming up next.
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Speaker 1: The rapper, Macklemore, you remember him? The thrift shop guy?
45:46
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sing it for you if you don't. Well,
45:49
Speaker 1: he just got kicked off of Ed Sheeran's stadium tour.
45:54
Speaker 6: Gone.
45:56
Speaker 1: And right now, of course, he's going to every platform
45:58
Speaker 1: he can find to cry about it. Casted as the victim,
46:02
Speaker 1: poor Macklemore. Wrapping himself in the flag of free speech
46:07
Speaker 1: and artistic courage. Now, here's the story. Macklemore, he was
46:13
Speaker 1: the opening act on Ed Sheeran's American tour. And at
46:16
Speaker 1: the first shows at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, he
46:20
Speaker 1: decided to turn his opening set into a political rally,
46:23
Speaker 1: of course, chanting, free Palestine, over and over, wearing one
46:28
Speaker 1: of them little scarves and performing a protest anthem while
46:33
Speaker 1: footage from the war in Gaza played on the giant
46:36
Speaker 1: screens behind him. Now, it didn't go over well.
46:39
Speaker 6: Look.
46:40
Speaker 8: I've been trying to figure out a way to say
46:41
Speaker 8: this all day. One of the reasons why I wanted
46:44
Speaker 8: to come on this tour was because I wanted to
46:47
Speaker 8: stand up here on stages and stadiums across America and
46:53
Speaker 8: say two words that are very near and dear to
46:57
Speaker 8: my heart, free Palestine.
47:03
Speaker 1: That is not why you're there on the tour. You're
47:05
Speaker 1: supposed to perform, perform. Nobody cares about your politics, Macklemore.
47:12
Speaker 1: Because politics are the thrift shop. Now, pro-Israel groups launched petitions.
47:18
Speaker 1: Stadium owners, including Robert Kraft, who owns Gillette Stadium, said,
47:22
Speaker 1: not in my building. And just like that, Macklemore was
47:25
Speaker 1: off the tour. This isn't the first time Macklemore has
47:29
Speaker 1: been involved in controversy. This is a guy who had
47:32
Speaker 1: another show just last year, grabbed a microphone and told
47:36
Speaker 1: a crowd, and I'm going to clean it up for
47:38
Speaker 1: you for television, two other words, F America. That's right.
47:45
Speaker 1: Free Palestine, but F America. That's Macklemore. Well, Robert Kraft,
47:50
Speaker 1: he's not having an explaining. His decision, he pointed to
47:53
Speaker 1: what he called his broader history of anti-Semitic rhetoric, including
47:57
Speaker 1: a costume years ago, apparently, that a lot of people
48:00
Speaker 1: found pretty grotesque. Not a country that he says to F.
48:05
Speaker 1: He wants to hide behind his constitutional protections? We'll see
48:10
Speaker 1: what Hamas thinks about your ability to speak freely. But now,
48:16
Speaker 1: save your sympathy, because there are conservative artists in this
48:20
Speaker 1: country who have been quietly blacklisted for years, frozen out,
48:23
Speaker 1: dropped by their labels, uninvited from shows, canceled, not for
48:27
Speaker 1: saying F America, not for saying free Palestine, but for
48:30
Speaker 1: loving this country or even backing President Trump. They don't
48:35
Speaker 1: get sympathetic press tours. They don't get headlines. They don't
48:38
Speaker 1: go to social media and cry about it. My next
48:41
Speaker 1: guest is somebody they've tried to cancel, but they can't.
48:44
Speaker 1: A genuinely talented singer who loves America, and she's paid
48:48
Speaker 1: a professional price for it. And she knows exactly what
48:51
Speaker 1: this industry does to people who won't toe its line.
48:53
Speaker 1: I'm honored to be joined by Billboard charting artist Joy Vila.
48:56
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Dave Pollack, Prime Time. Hello.
49:01
Speaker 4: Listen, I know what Ed Sheeran was thinking when he
49:03
Speaker 4: saw Macklemore. He said, darling, I don't want anti-Semitism on
49:10
Speaker 4: my tour. That's what he was probably singing because he
49:13
Speaker 4: must have been absolutely shocked because Ed Sheeran is notoriously
49:18
Speaker 4: not political, right?
49:19
Speaker 6: I don't think he.
49:20
Speaker 4: one political thing.
49:20
Speaker 7: He's a singer.
49:21
Speaker 6: He's a songwriter.
49:22
Speaker 7: He's loved by many.
49:24
Speaker 4: He's probably like Michael Jordan. You know, he probably thinks
49:27
Speaker 4: Republicans buy my music too. So why tick anybody off?
49:31
Speaker 2: Right.
49:32
Speaker 4: But Macklemore, Macklemore, who hasn't had a hit song since
49:36
Speaker 4: 2014's Thrift Shop, right? Or was that 2007? Anyways, it's
49:41
Speaker 4: been so long that we don't even know when that
49:43
Speaker 4: last album came out that was a hit. He's 42.
49:47
Speaker 4: You think he would have learned lessons by now to
49:49
Speaker 4: respect other cultures. But in 2014, not only was that
49:54
Speaker 4: look grotesque. I mean, if you pull up the pictures,
49:56
Speaker 4: if anybody at home looks at those pictures, he denied
49:59
Speaker 4: that it was an anti-Semitic. but yet it had a
50:03
Speaker 4: black bowl cut, straight black hair, a big suit, and
50:07
Speaker 4: a huge fake nose. He roamed around stage performing in
50:10
Speaker 4: 2014 saying, oh, yeah, it was not an anti-Semitic reference.
50:15
Speaker 4: I mean, he obviously looked like the very grotesque version
50:19
Speaker 4: of what the Nazis portrayed for Jewish people. And here
50:23
Speaker 4: he is, one love, gay rights, and now it's Palestine. Okay, Macklemore,
50:28
Speaker 4: I think the truth is you only like certain types
50:31
Speaker 4: of people.
50:31
Speaker 6: You don't like America.
50:32
Speaker 4: You don't like Jews. You probably don't even like Black people,
50:36
Speaker 4: even though you stole their music being a rapper.
50:38
Speaker 6: Let's be real.
50:39
Speaker 4: You're just the same as all these Hollywood Democrats, an
50:42
Speaker 4: inside racist. But when the cameras are rolling, you love everybody.
50:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's, you know, the heart of all
50:50
Speaker 1: of this, and it's such a good point you make,
50:52
Speaker 1: the heart of all of this is it's not about Palestine,
50:54
Speaker 1: it's not about the Jews, it's not about any of
50:56
Speaker 1: these things, it's not about America. The reality is he's
51:00
Speaker 1: either completely indoctrinated by it or an intentional spokesman for it.
51:06
Speaker 1: this separatist socialist movement that just wants to reframe America
51:11
Speaker 1: as a place that people should hate. And whatever cause
51:13
Speaker 1: they can adopt that seemingly hates America, well, that's their friend.
51:17
Speaker 1: An enemy of my enemy is my friend. And he's
51:19
Speaker 1: just a mouthpiece for it, right?
51:21
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, profiting off of America. You know, if you
51:24
Speaker 4: hate America so much, listen, America has its issues. Our
51:27
Speaker 4: country is not perfect, but it's trying to be a
51:29
Speaker 4: more perfect nation, right? We have had a tumultuous past
51:33
Speaker 4: like many other countries.
51:35
Speaker 6: We're new.
51:35
Speaker 4: We're 250 years old. We're doing our best to move forward.
51:39
Speaker 4: And I feel like we've moved a lot forward. And
51:42
Speaker 4: I love this country. This is the country I was
51:44
Speaker 4: born in. My parents come from immigrants. My family is immigrants.
51:48
Speaker 4: But half of my family is Black American, brought here
51:51
Speaker 4: by no fault of their own, right, if you trace
51:53
Speaker 4: down slavery. And even though that my Black family loves America,
51:57
Speaker 4: my Italian-Argentinian family loves America, I love America because this
52:01
Speaker 4: is my home And you can slightly criticize something, but
52:05
Speaker 4: to demean it and say, down with America. Meanwhile, you're
52:08
Speaker 4: making all the money from America. Meanwhile, you're born here.
52:11
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, him getting kicked off of
52:16
Speaker 4: Ed Sheeran's tour. is the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile,
52:20
Speaker 4: somebody like me or somebody like Kaya Jones of the
52:23
Speaker 4: Pussycat Dolls or any artists who are publicly outspoken for Jesus,
52:28
Speaker 4: for America, for decency, we're not nude, we're not cursing,
52:33
Speaker 4: we're not waving gay flags all day, all everywhere. We
52:36
Speaker 4: love the president, we love America. We don't get invited
52:40
Speaker 4: to these tours. We get kicked out of places. But
52:43
Speaker 4: here he is, the consequence of his actions, you know, divisive.
52:47
Speaker 4: And he's going to complain and say, well, this was
52:49
Speaker 4: the best tour. He said, oh, this is the best
52:51
Speaker 4: tour I've ever been in because I'm standing up for freedom. Bro,
52:54
Speaker 4: take a seat and make an album that people will
52:56
Speaker 4: actually listen to.
52:57
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. It's the victim mentality and blame everyone
53:01
Speaker 1: else but themselves. Joy Vila, I love having you on
53:04
Speaker 1: the show. Thank you so much for your excellent takes
53:06
Speaker 1: as always.
53:06
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure.
53:07
Speaker 1: That is our show for tonight. Join us tomorrow for
53:12
Speaker 1: another Weaponization Wednesday. That's our new segment where we highlight
53:16
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53:19
Speaker 1: we asked the question, is it weaponization? Tomorrow, we're going
53:22
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53:25
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53:28
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