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Sharri | 2 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew Good evening tonight. The mosque
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Speaker 2: that wants to broadcast the call to prayer across the
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Speaker 2: community at ninety decibels on More. This is sparking major controversy.
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Speaker 2: The Albaneze government accused of risking a housing market crash
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Speaker 2: with its toxic budget, devastating property sales in major markets.
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Speaker 2: The fiery blow up between Donald Trump and Benjamin Atten Yahoo,
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Speaker 2: with the President telling the Israeli Prime Minister he's crazy.
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Speaker 2: Why doesn't Trump realize he's playing into Iran's hands? And
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Speaker 2: the ABC rewards Grace Tame with a podcast after she
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Speaker 2: called for an INTERFATA in Sydney. I'll show you the
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Speaker 2: only ABC star who's speaking out against the move but
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Speaker 2: first tonight. The Albanezi government appears to be deliberately sparking
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Speaker 2: a housing market crash, and it comes as secret RBA
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Speaker 2: notes show the Reserve banks harsh judgment of Labour's own
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Speaker 2: housing policies. Fears about the toxic budget have shattered property
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Speaker 2: sales in the major markets of Sydney and Melbourne over
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Speaker 2: the past few weeks. Clearance rates in Sydney fell below
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Speaker 2: fifty percent for the first time in six years, and
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne they fall into twenty to thirty percent. Nationally,
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Speaker 2: there are warnings about a ten percent drop in house prizes.
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Speaker 2: But shockingly, the Treasurer Jim Chalmers said yesterday that this
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Speaker 2: is a good thing for first home buyers, that auction
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Speaker 2: clearance rates are coming down.
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Speaker 3: Some of those clearance rights were coming down already and
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Speaker 3: the budget is not the only factor when people are
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Speaker 3: thinking about those participating in those auctions. But if we
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Speaker 3: are making it easier for your first home buyers to
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Speaker 3: get a faircraft at auctions, then that's a good thing.
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Speaker 2: Any repeat at the comments today as you just heard.
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Speaker 2: Now he may argue this is a good thing, but
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Speaker 2: no economist has ever suggested a property market crash would
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Speaker 2: help an economy. Australian property market veteran Michael Finger argues
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Speaker 2: that this is an unprecedented disruption to the Australian property
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Speaker 2: market and that it's driven by economic uncertainty and what
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Speaker 2: he calls the harsh new tax legislation. Michael Finger told
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Speaker 2: me today that he's never witnessed this level of market
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Speaker 2: anger or instability in his fifty five years in the
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Speaker 2: real estate industry. He puts it down to tighter bank lending.
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Speaker 2: Financial institutions are rapidly lowering loan to value ratios, severely
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Speaker 2: restricting credit and making it incredibly difficult for buyers to
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Speaker 2: secure sufficient funding. Then you've got landlords and property investors
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Speaker 2: deeply concerned about aggressive tax changes targeting superannuation funds and
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Speaker 2: capital gains, causing many to freeze activity or.
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Speaker 4: Exit the market.
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Speaker 2: He says, You've got young couples who historically used rent vesting,
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Speaker 2: so that's buying a home and then renting it out
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Speaker 2: temporarily to cover the mortgage and moving in later. They've
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Speaker 2: been completely priced out by the new tax structures. And
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Speaker 2: then there's rising living costs, falling consumer spend, and punitive
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Speaker 2: business taxes severely damping consumer confidence. Both Tim Wilson and
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty one that a loss of confidence is now
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Speaker 2: feeding straight into a housing crisis.
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Speaker 5: The question is why they're falling, and they're falling because
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Speaker 5: confidence has been sacked. We've seen this consistently. When you
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Speaker 5: have a government that is undercutting and kneecapping people's confidence,
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Speaker 5: it shouldn't surprise that people are less confident about the future.
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Speaker 6: Confidence in the housing market has dropped since Labour's announcement
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Speaker 6: of new taxes that they ruled out before the last
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Speaker 6: selection of sneakily brought in. Just before I came here,
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Speaker 6: I got an email from my bank saying that my
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Speaker 6: mortgage rate will go up in July. I imagine a
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Speaker 6: lot of australs have got the same email. So I
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Speaker 6: think there's a lot of nervousness out there and I
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Speaker 6: think that's being reflected in the housing market now.
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Speaker 2: The problem for the Albanezy government is that the house
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Speaker 2: prices or property prices in wealthier suburbs generally tend to
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Speaker 2: hold up well or even continue to rise, albeit at
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Speaker 2: a slower pace. The greatest impact is not at the
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Speaker 2: top end of the market. Ordinary Australian retirees looking to
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Speaker 2: downsize will now not sell their house if they can't
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Speaker 2: get a decent price to support them in their retirement.
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Speaker 2: And it also means they may have negative equity where
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Speaker 2: the mortgage is greater than the homes value, which just
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Speaker 2: means they can't afford to sell. The Australian's editorial today
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Speaker 2: put it like this, The likely outcome for some is
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Speaker 2: negative equity and a long slog to pay off an
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Speaker 2: asset that has lost its potential to deliver rising economic security.
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Speaker 2: And they say the danger is that doctor Chalmers is
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Speaker 2: drawing a series of wrong conclusions that will end in
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Speaker 2: economic tears. This alle the flow and effect for the
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Speaker 2: broader economy. Consumer spending could collapse, it could impact and
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Speaker 2: it likely will on the construction industry, and it could
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Speaker 2: lead to banking system stress. And remember this is at
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Speaker 2: the same time that intrastrates are rising and inflation is
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Speaker 2: still a major problem.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: Two thirds of Australian households own their own home and
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Speaker 2: for the vast majority of Australians it's their greatest asset.
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Speaker 4: No one wants the.
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Speaker 2: Value of their own home to fall their biggest asset
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Speaker 2: to decline. This is wealth destruction, which wipes out savings
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Speaker 2: accumulated and worked hard for over years. The unintended consequences
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Speaker 2: of this budget are devastating and voters know it.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: There's reportedly been a big blow up between President Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over Hesbelah and
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Speaker 2: the Iran War. This is the report that's making global headlines.
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Speaker 2: Trump reportedly lashing out at Nettin Yahu over Israel targeting
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Speaker 2: the terrorist group Hezbolah in Lebanon. Axios reports that it
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Speaker 2: was an explete of leaden phone call between the pair,
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Speaker 2: where the President allegedly said, you're fing crazy, and he
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Speaker 2: even reportedly said you'd be in prison if it weren't
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Speaker 2: for me. I'm saving your rs. Everybody hates Israel because
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Speaker 2: of this. Now, the first thing to say here is
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Speaker 2: that this doesn't detract from the strength of the US
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Speaker 2: Israel relationship Trump and Nedina, who have achieved a great
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Speaker 2: deal together and hopefully will continue to do so through
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Speaker 2: the expanding Abraham Accords. But if the reports of the
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Speaker 2: fire recall are true, it's a very low blow for Trump,
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Speaker 2: who's been the victim of the same politicization of the
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Speaker 2: justice system as Bibi has. Both of their political enemies
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Speaker 2: have tried to throw them in prison unfairly. Now, Trump's
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Speaker 2: vitriol is actually not a reflection of Nediyahu, who has
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Speaker 2: every right, in fact every obligation to defend Israel against
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Speaker 2: the terrorist group Hesbelah, and the US President should be
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Speaker 2: well aware that Hesbelah is firing at Israel and that
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Speaker 2: the Jewish date can't fail to defend its citizens. Venette Yahoo,
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Speaker 2: he has citizens in northern Israel who are under fire,
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Speaker 2: who've had to be evacuated, and who are being killed,
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Speaker 2: and Trump would have a very different attitude if these
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Speaker 2: citizens were Americans, if it were innocent American civilians.
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Speaker 4: Who were being bombed.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Wall Street Journal editorial, which I should point out,
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Speaker 2: was published before the Axios report, but it details in
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Speaker 2: a very excellent way how Israel had been withholding its fire,
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Speaker 2: and it explains it well. It says that the first
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Speaker 2: Lebanon ceasefire of April seventeen came after Iran blamed Israel's
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Speaker 2: retaliation against Hesblah for preventing the opening of the Strait
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Speaker 2: of Hormuz. Mister Trump pressured Israel and delivered the cease fire,
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Speaker 2: it says, but Iran reneged on Homo and its Hesweler
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Speaker 2: proxy kept firing. Israel avoided attacking Hesbela's Daya stronghold in
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Speaker 2: Beirut in reply, so as not to trouble the US
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Speaker 2: Iran negotiations. Heswela strikes then intensified, reaching an average of
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five rockets and forty nine drones
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Speaker 2: fight at Israel each day last week. No country can
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Speaker 2: live with that. On Monday Prime Minister Benjamin Etiya, who
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Speaker 2: announced Israel would expand its retaliation to Dehayir. And then
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Speaker 2: on Monday that same day, Iran stopped exchanging messages with
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Speaker 2: the United States, apparently because of Israel's attacks against Hesbelah
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Speaker 2: in Lebanon, and this is what led to the phone
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Speaker 2: call between Trump and Din Yahu. Now this is a
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Speaker 2: very significant point. Trump is thus allowing Iran to call
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Speaker 2: all the shots. A terror regime, is effectively controlling the negotiations.
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Speaker 2: And the Wall Street Journalist the Wall Street journal columnists
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Speaker 2: discuss this very point.
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Speaker 8: Well, it started this war with Israel on March second,
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Speaker 8: in defense of Iran. Okay, Israel was not attacking Hisbella.
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Speaker 8: Hisbella attacked Israel. And in recent days, recent weeks, despite
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Speaker 8: a May seventeenth ceasefire, you've had Isabella firing a few
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Speaker 8: dozen rockets per day at Israel and about forty or
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Speaker 8: fifty fiber optic drones at Israel per day. So this
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Speaker 8: is not a sustainable situation. It's not a ceasefire. If
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Speaker 8: Iran wants a ceasefire, it can tell Isbella stop shooting.
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Speaker 5: Just give the orders and they'll follow it.
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Speaker 8: Instead, it's done the precise opposite. It has had Ballah
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Speaker 8: escalate its fire on Israel so that when Israel says,
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Speaker 8: we're going to respond now in a larger way, so
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Speaker 8: this doesn't keep on happening every day, Iran now says, well,
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Speaker 8: how can we talk the ceasefires off? And we're going
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Speaker 8: to have to pause in exchange on all messages back
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Speaker 8: and forth.
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Speaker 2: Now, you won't hear this proper detail in most other
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Speaker 2: media outlets because all they want to do is hate
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Speaker 2: on Israel. But it's worth me taking the time to
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Speaker 2: explain that to you. And this is orchestrated by Iran.
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Speaker 2: And this anger of Trump, says a reflection of how
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Speaker 2: much domestic political pressure he's under, but also his frustration
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Speaker 2: that he can't get a deal done with Iran. Trump
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Speaker 2: is renowned as a skilled negotiator, he says, it's one
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Speaker 2: of his best assets. But he's made a critical error
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Speaker 2: with a run, which is letting his enemy know early
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Speaker 2: on that he was desperate to get out of the war,
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Speaker 2: that he eat it a deal. It's not the way
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Speaker 2: to negotiate, it's showing your hand. The reports of the
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Speaker 2: conversation are also a win for Tehran, it's untrustworthy. Tactics
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Speaker 2: designed to keep the Ayatolas in power and with a
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Speaker 2: nuclear weaponon that are succeeding. Trump needs to get a
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Speaker 2: lot smarter here to achieve a victory, and the most
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Speaker 2: important thing he has to do is seize they're enriched uranium. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'll get back to that feud with a Sky's Defense
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Speaker 2: analyst Peter Jennings a little later, but now let's bring
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Speaker 2: in former Labour chief of staff Camra Milner and Sky
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Speaker 2: News host James Morrow.
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Speaker 4: Great to see you both, and James.
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Speaker 2: I want to start with your article and that of
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Speaker 2: your colleagues in the Daily Telegraph. Today was the splash
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Speaker 2: of the Daily Telegraph website that le Kember Mosque has
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Speaker 2: put in a bid with the local council to install
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Speaker 2: four speakers to broadcast the Friday Call to pro for
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Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes now. Their first council proposal indicated a
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Speaker 2: maximum sound level of ninety two decibels, but this was
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Speaker 2: rejected by the council, which reportedly cited the mosque's proximity
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Speaker 2: to schools, residential areas, industrial sites and public parks. So
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Speaker 2: now they've come back with a new proposal James tell
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Speaker 2: us about what lakember Mosque wants to do here and
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Speaker 2: the controversy around it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, Sherry, you know your viewers will be well
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Speaker 7: familiar I think with Lakemba Masque Lakema mask Pride most
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Speaker 7: recently made headlines a few months ago when Home Affairs
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Speaker 7: Secretary or jub Department Minister Sorry Tony Burke and pred
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Speaker 7: Minister Anthony Alberinezi went out there to meet with the
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Speaker 7: community and take part in some ed prayers or ed
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Speaker 7: service in the morning and were chased and heckled out
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Speaker 7: of the mosque and down the street. This mosque has
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Speaker 7: a long history of controversy around it. This idea here though,
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Speaker 7: to install loudspeakers on the interet so that they can
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Speaker 7: broadcast across the suburb. You know, I find this personally
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Speaker 7: very very strange because in Australia, you know, we are
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Speaker 7: pretty reticent about big public displays of religion of any sort.
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Speaker 7: We don't really like that sort of thing, and in
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Speaker 7: this case, it feels like it feels very much of
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Speaker 7: a piece with big public prayer things you see in
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Speaker 7: London and Paris and New York, and it's really I
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Speaker 7: think more about colonization of the public space and saying
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Speaker 7: this is an Islamic area rather than just simply something
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Speaker 7: as basic as you know, a call to the prayer
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Speaker 7: to faithful. This is not church bells peeling out at noon.
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Speaker 7: There's something very I think politically chauvinistic about it.
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Speaker 2: I think Australians are very tolerant of other religions, as
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Speaker 2: we should be. But you know Cameron Labour's obsession, if
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Speaker 2: you like, with multiculturalists, in which many public figures, including
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Speaker 2: John Howard, have said, you know, in the past six
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Speaker 2: months or more that it's failing. I mean this is
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Speaker 2: part of the reason for the support for One Nation.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it is, and I think James your
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Speaker 9: article is excellent. It wasn't just about lakenba Mosque. I
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Speaker 9: read it all and it was about the fact that
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Speaker 9: our fabric of our society is being put at test
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Speaker 9: here and really pulled at in terms of what people
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Speaker 9: see as tolerant. And to your point, Shari, we should
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Speaker 9: be tolerant of all religions. That's the nature of our
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Speaker 9: free society. But you're right, I mean, when someone wants
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Speaker 9: to privatize the airwaves with noise pollution, then no one
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Speaker 9: should be allowed to do that, and certainly not the
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Speaker 9: Lakema Mosque. So I think to the point of the article, yes,
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Speaker 9: we have to be very careful. We've got this very
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Speaker 9: fragile situation in Australia and we don't need ideological persuasions
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Speaker 9: dictating what the community actually expects someone's to see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure the controversy over this will continue for
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Speaker 2: a while now. Speaking of the support and the rise
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Speaker 2: for One Nation, the former Victorian State Deputy Premier Pat
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Speaker 2: McNamara has come out and said that the Liberals should
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Speaker 2: be doing a preference deal with One Nation. This is
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Speaker 2: ahead of the Victorian state election. He told The Australian
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Speaker 2: that when you've got the vote they're polling, and the
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Speaker 2: combined vote of the Liberals and Nationals, all of that
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Speaker 2: should be channeled into getting rid of labor governments. I mean, James, look,
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Speaker 2: this does make sense, but it kind of assumes that
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Speaker 2: Pauline would be second fiddle here and it seems like
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Speaker 2: she has higher ambitions.
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Speaker 7: Well, she does have higher ambitions here, and I suspect that,
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Speaker 7: you know, if they had some sort of deal, what
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Speaker 7: this is really about is avoiding three corded contests. But
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Speaker 7: if you start to run one nation. One nation wants
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Speaker 7: to run in all these different seats here, they would
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Speaker 7: take all the national seats, they'd take an awful lot
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Speaker 7: of liberal seats as well. I mean, Victoria is in
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Speaker 7: such a terrible, terrible mess at the moment. It is corrupt,
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Speaker 7: it is violent, it is bankrupt. Essentially, this government absolutely
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Speaker 7: has to go some point though. This has to be
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Speaker 7: kind of where we test out a model for what
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Speaker 7: happens on a federal level, because Pauline Hansen, you know,
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Speaker 7: lover hater, she's not going anywhere. There's a lot of
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Speaker 7: voter anger out there. You know. I think I've seen
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Speaker 7: some Pauli which suggests that that one nation would basically
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Speaker 7: take every liberal seat federally if the election were held
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Speaker 7: in now. There's two years left to go on that,
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Speaker 7: and a lot can happen in that time. But there's
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Speaker 7: so much anger at the community, in the community, at
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Speaker 7: the kind of the UNI party here. There has to
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Speaker 7: be some sort of detante between these two sides. Otherwise
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Speaker 7: Labor will continue to win in Victoria and federally and
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Speaker 7: we stuck with these bad governments, you know, state and nationally.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's part of the issue.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it, Cameron that you've got the Tills, the Liberals,
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Speaker 2: the Nationals one Nation now sort of competing for what
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Speaker 2: many of them were former coalition seats.
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Speaker 4: I mean, who's coming after Labor seats?
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Speaker 9: Well, certainly Victoria. One Nation is going to do well
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Speaker 9: in the West. So some a polling that I'm seeing
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Speaker 9: in seats like Melton for instance, which is a battleground
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Speaker 9: seat for the state LIBA, it's actually fight between Labor
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Speaker 9: and One Nation for that seat. So one Nation is
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Speaker 9: going to pick up seats in Victoria, and they'll pick
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Speaker 9: them up at Labor's expense. They'll pick them up the
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Speaker 9: bush and regional areas, probably at the Liberal and National
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Speaker 9: Party's expense. But I think the thing about the deal,
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Speaker 9: I mean so Dennis Naptheen, who was a former Liberal premier,
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Speaker 9: came out today and said that One Nation of people
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Speaker 9: were despicable. So there's not a lot of there's not
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Speaker 9: a lot of loves in some parts the Liberal Party
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Speaker 9: for One Nation either, and I think that's the problem
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Speaker 9: and that's what Labor will exploit in Victoria. So to
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Speaker 9: your point, James, yes, the Allen government on paper should
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Speaker 9: be voted out in November. But one Nation may well
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Speaker 9: come through and soak up some of that anger and
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Speaker 9: doing a deal in the leafy suburbs with one Nation
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Speaker 9: in Pauline Hansen will not go down well. And I
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Speaker 9: speak from the experience here we did that to the
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Speaker 9: Liberals in Queensland. They might have won the bush seats,
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Speaker 9: but they lost the city seats because city votes weren't
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Speaker 9: going to sign up for Pauline.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Cameron, before I move on from that. Is
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Speaker 2: it your sense that the Federal Labor Party, the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government and Peas are kind of welcoming the rise of
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Speaker 2: one Nation as it hurts the Liberals the most. Or
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Speaker 2: are they also getting a bit, you know, no, nervous
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Speaker 2: that one Nation will come after some of their seats.
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Speaker 9: I think I think they were complacent before the budget.
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Speaker 9: I think two weeks back in the electroc after twenty
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Speaker 9: days of this budget has gotten running scared because one
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Speaker 9: Nation's on the rise, and the more Albitis lies, the
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Speaker 9: more one nation rises, and that's the problem. So One
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Speaker 9: Nation's kind of been seen as that as the party
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Speaker 9: of truth. Now I agree with their politics, but I
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Speaker 9: can certainly see how they're winning in the absence of
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Speaker 9: a liberal leadership doing much and a labor party that's
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Speaker 9: lying through its teeth every day around this budget.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, on the budget.
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Speaker 2: I mean I spoke earlier James and that the concerns
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Speaker 2: of a housing market correction or even crash.
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Speaker 4: We just don't know how this is going to play out.
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Speaker 4: But it just seems like they're playing with fire here.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Sherry, this whole budget is a complete disaster.
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Speaker 7: There is no way that crashing housing prices, you know,
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Speaker 7: ten or twenty percent, is going to build another house
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Speaker 7: and make it the country poorer. Is not going to
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Speaker 7: get a single young person into one of those houses.
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Speaker 7: It's going to freeze up the market. There will be
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Speaker 7: less turnover. More broadly here, Sharry, there's a real big
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Speaker 7: question that's out there right now. Is it that they
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Speaker 7: just simply don't know what they're doing or more cynically,
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Speaker 7: and this is a view I'm starting to come around
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Speaker 7: to you, Shary, that they actually do know what they're doing,
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Speaker 7: and that in a sense, what this budget is it's
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Speaker 7: almost sort of like their Voice two point zero. It
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Speaker 7: is their chance to remake fundamental institutions of society. Now
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Speaker 7: Voice had to go to the referendum they lost. We
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Speaker 7: see how it's going in Victoria with that House of
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Speaker 7: Review that they've set up. But nationally now they want
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Speaker 7: to change the entire nature of the way we deal
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Speaker 7: with government. We serve government, not the other way around.
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Speaker 7: And that's just the way Labor wants it.
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Speaker 2: It's a massive wealth redistribution, it's a housing redistribution. And James,
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Speaker 2: we just read in a breaking news article in the
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Speaker 2: fin Review from Phil Coury that they only planning on
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Speaker 2: having two days of public hearings to consult about the budget.
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Speaker 4: Two days.
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Speaker 7: This is I mean, these are the people who go
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Speaker 7: on about threats to democracy, right. They did not run
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Speaker 7: on this. They lied about it right up to the budget,
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Speaker 7: even knowing that as the printers were rolling in Canberra
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Speaker 7: with the budget papers that all of this stuff was
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Speaker 7: in there. And then they say, oh, well, you know,
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Speaker 7: we're not taking through election and we're gonna have two
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Speaker 7: days of these sort of you know, Potempkin hearings on
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Speaker 7: these things. It is an absolute disgrace. It is going
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Speaker 7: to make the country poorer and again it is not
21:33
Speaker 7: going to solve the problem of getting young people into
21:36
Speaker 7: houses and young people I talked to are saying this
21:39
Speaker 7: is a complete disaster for us because where am I
21:42
Speaker 7: supposed to save, How am I supposed to make money?
21:45
Speaker 7: How am I supposed to get ahead? This government doesn't
21:47
Speaker 7: want me to get ahead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cameron, just to finish with you, I mean, this
21:52
Speaker 2: isn't any consultation process. There's no transparency about this, as
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Speaker 2: James said, But also just back to the unintended consequences.
21:59
Speaker 2: If this is a major housing market correction, which it
22:03
Speaker 2: looks like it's heading towards, you can't control how this
22:07
Speaker 2: impacts on the construction industry, how it impacts on other businesses,
22:10
Speaker 2: how it impacts on people's retirement plans. You know, you
22:14
Speaker 2: just can't even begin to calculate the number of flow
22:17
Speaker 2: and effects across the entire nation.
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Speaker 9: No, and one of the major banks I think, came
22:22
Speaker 9: out and said, there's potentially a trillion dollars a trillion
22:25
Speaker 9: dollars of loss that's going across the housing sector. That's
22:28
Speaker 9: as much our national debt under labor. I mean, so
22:30
Speaker 9: we're going to wipe the wipe the value not only
22:32
Speaker 9: of national debt, but also people's own personal values as well.
22:36
Speaker 9: So that's a real problem and to your point earlier
22:38
Speaker 9: on it's the way the bank sell crack down on credit.
22:41
Speaker 9: People won't be able to borrow as much people want
22:42
Speaker 9: to buy, be able to buy those new houses that
22:44
Speaker 9: were supposed to getting there. And to your point, James,
22:46
Speaker 9: when Jenny Wilkinson, who's the Treasury Secretory came out and
22:49
Speaker 9: said it wasn't about new supply, it was actually about
22:51
Speaker 9: redistributing ownership, well that's not what voters voted for. That's
22:55
Speaker 9: a socialist agenda and she should have put that to
22:57
Speaker 9: the people. And that's the problem. Labor, you know, lie
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Speaker 9: their way through the last election and now put in
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Speaker 9: a radical plan far far more than anything Short never
23:05
Speaker 9: took the election a radical plan and may you want
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Speaker 9: to sit around for two years and not go to
23:09
Speaker 9: the voters.
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Speaker 2: And they didn't tell anyone because they know no one
23:12
Speaker 2: would have supported it, as they didn't with Short less
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Speaker 2: radical versi which was still radical under you Cameron camera, Miana.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show, James Morrow and
23:22
Speaker 2: excellent article.
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Speaker 4: We look forward to reading it. Thank you.
23:26
Speaker 2: But ABC, as you know by now, has hired Grace
23:29
Speaker 2: Tame to host a new four part podcast on autism.
23:33
Speaker 2: Now this is the same anti Israel activist that encouraged
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Speaker 2: a crowd to globalize the Interfata on galligal Land that's
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Speaker 2: Sydney Land and dismissed October seven, sexual violence of Jewish women,
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Speaker 2: the rape of Jewish women as propaganda one my time
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Speaker 2: from Galligle to GAHA Global Line.
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Speaker 11: Timney's texted in saying can you please ask Grace why
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Speaker 11: she's selective in her outrage? She says, I've never heard
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Speaker 11: her condemn or speak out on behalf of the Israeli
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Speaker 11: women who were raped and killed by Hamas.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sink to the level of entertaining
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Speaker 2: any kind of propaganda Hamish been that those things have
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Speaker 2: been debunked.
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Speaker 4: Propaganda and debunked.
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Speaker 2: How can the ABC reward Grace tame with her own podcast?
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Speaker 2: This is the taxpayer funded broadcaster giving a prestigious platform
24:27
Speaker 2: to someone who, in my opinion, has spread dangerous and
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Speaker 2: hateful messages, who denied the rape of Jewish women, and
24:33
Speaker 2: who called for the Interfada, which is commonly understood as
24:37
Speaker 2: a violent uprising in Sydney. Well, thankfully there was one,
24:44
Speaker 2: just one sane voice of the ABC, Charlie Pickering, who
24:48
Speaker 2: said this to avem Andy feel.
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Speaker 12: About the fact that they hired Grace Tame After all
24:53
Speaker 12: of that.
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Speaker 13: I think I do actually think it's problematic. That's my
24:57
Speaker 13: personal opinion, and I think, as you would understand, and
25:03
Speaker 13: as a Jewish Australian, there is a complete misunderstanding of
25:06
Speaker 13: a lot of the words that are said and what
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Speaker 13: the true many of them are and a lot of
25:09
Speaker 13: people are using words and phrases that have meaning well
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Speaker 13: beyond what they think they do.
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Speaker 2: And another shout out to Ivmeny once again for going
25:19
Speaker 2: there and asking people the questions and fronting up.
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Speaker 4: He has a lot of courage. All right.
25:24
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Shadow Home Affairs Minister Jonathan Duniam Johono.
25:27
Speaker 4: Great to see you.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the ABC should rescind its decision to
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Speaker 2: give Grace Tame a podcast?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do, Sherry. The ABC is funded by all taxpayers,
25:40
Speaker 1: every single Australian that pays tax, whether they're Jewish, Christian
25:45
Speaker 1: and atheist, whoever, is paying taxes to fund this organization.
25:48
Speaker 1: So to allow someone who spouted the words, those disgusting
25:53
Speaker 1: words at a rally of that nature, anti Semitic comments
25:58
Speaker 1: really whipping up this hatred of Jewish people in Australia,
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Speaker 1: I think does not deserve the platform, as you said,
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Speaker 1: on this publicly funded broadcasting network. And to go even further,
26:10
Speaker 1: I mean those disgusting comments to deny the sexual crimes
26:14
Speaker 1: committed against Jewish women because they're Jewish women. I'm sorry
26:18
Speaker 1: that person has no place on our national broadcaster and
26:21
Speaker 1: I do think it is a beyond a misstep. It's
26:24
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible error of judgment and one I think
26:27
Speaker 1: they should absolutely revoke.
26:29
Speaker 2: Will you be pressing the ABC on this if you
26:31
Speaker 2: are given the opportunity in a forum like.
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Speaker 1: Estimates, Absolutely, And I know that Sarah Henderson as well
26:39
Speaker 1: and other colleagues would feel exactly the same way. I mean,
26:42
Speaker 1: we can't be shy about this. Being shy and not
26:45
Speaker 1: actually going forward and prosecuting these issues is how we
26:49
Speaker 1: ended up at BONDI. In fact, Gillian Siegel told us
26:52
Speaker 1: aid Estimate's last week that of course the ABC hasn't
26:55
Speaker 1: yet adopted the official definition of anti Semitism, so how
26:59
Speaker 1: are they going to get decisions like this right if
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Speaker 1: they don't actually follow through and do what is right.
27:04
Speaker 1: In the wake of everything terrible that has happened in
27:06
Speaker 1: this country when it comes to anti Semitism and terror.
27:10
Speaker 2: More generally, the Albenese government's not much better. It has
27:14
Speaker 2: tried to claim public immunity over cabinet documents relating to
27:18
Speaker 2: its decisions on counter terrorism funding, its cabinet deliberations, and
27:23
Speaker 2: they didn't even want the Royal Commission to access these documents,
27:26
Speaker 2: john O. But thankfully the Commission of Virginia Belle overruled
27:30
Speaker 2: the Albanesi government. But what do you think that, I mean,
27:34
Speaker 2: you've been in detail across all of this. What do
27:37
Speaker 2: you think this indicates about the cabinet deliberations on counter
27:41
Speaker 2: terrorism before the Bondei attack.
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Speaker 1: It was an outrageous claim, Charry, for the government to say, no,
27:48
Speaker 1: we don't want the Royal Commission to see this element
27:51
Speaker 1: of our decision making process, which for your viewers was
27:54
Speaker 1: just about the fact that Cabinet did discuss resourcing to
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Speaker 1: intelligence and counter terror efforts through agencies like ASO, the
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Speaker 1: AFP and Home Affairs. The fact that they wanted to
28:05
Speaker 1: hide that from a Royal Commission to get to the
28:08
Speaker 1: very root cause of what went wrong in the lead
28:11
Speaker 1: up to Bondi I think is absolutely obscene and would
28:16
Speaker 1: not have allowed the Commission to do its job properly.
28:18
Speaker 1: So I'm pleased that she, the Royal Commissioner, reached the
28:22
Speaker 1: conclusion that she did. But there is when we're expecting
28:27
Speaker 1: agencies like ASIO to disclose secret information to the Commission,
28:31
Speaker 1: and we passed laws through the Parliament to allow that
28:34
Speaker 1: to happen. How this government wanted to hide from public
28:38
Speaker 1: view and the Royal Commissioner's view who made the decisions
28:42
Speaker 1: I think points to one thing, and that is they
28:45
Speaker 1: are actually culpable for decisions around resourcing, unlike what the
28:50
Speaker 1: Minister Tony Burke said, which was we give them enough money,
28:53
Speaker 1: it's up to them how they spend it. I think
28:55
Speaker 1: we'll find that through the Royal Commission. These documents will
28:58
Speaker 1: highlight the government we're very hands on who got what
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Speaker 1: in terms of resourcing.
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Speaker 2: They certainly could have made the decision to increase funding
29:06
Speaker 2: to counter terrorism and it appears that decision wasn't made
29:09
Speaker 2: across the broader Australian intelligence community. Just finally, Johno figures
29:14
Speaker 2: are showing that more than ten billion dollars in veterans
29:17
Speaker 2: welfare payments and more than two billion dollars in intelligence
29:21
Speaker 2: agency funding have been counted in the headline defense spending total.
29:26
Speaker 2: Why are you concerned about this?
29:31
Speaker 1: This is what they call cooking the books, Cherry, I
29:33
Speaker 1: mean to claim that you are increasing defense spending when
29:36
Speaker 1: all you're doing is bringing in funding from already existing
29:39
Speaker 1: programs elsewhere in the budget that relate to entirely different departments.
29:43
Speaker 1: Home affairs functions have been wrapped into this expenditure. Veterans
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Speaker 1: affairs expenditure the same. This is not going to result
29:52
Speaker 1: in a safer nation because they've cooked the books.
29:55
Speaker 4: They've just literally.
29:56
Speaker 1: Done some creative accounting and then comped up this figure
29:59
Speaker 1: and said it's all good. When you've had people like
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Speaker 1: Emeritus Professor Dibb call this out and say this is
30:06
Speaker 1: not the reform we're looking for. It's not the increase
30:09
Speaker 1: in expenditure we're looking for. The end result is Australia
30:13
Speaker 1: is as exposed and underdone when it comes to defense
30:16
Speaker 1: expenditure as we were before any announcement on so called
30:20
Speaker 1: increased expenditure. This is, sadly just another labor lie.
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Speaker 4: All right, John, I thank you very much for your time.
30:27
Speaker 2: Now still to come, we'll get Peter Jennings's view on
30:29
Speaker 2: the explosive phone call between Trump and Nett in Yahoo.
30:32
Speaker 2: That's playing into Run's playbook. Plus, the Safety Commissioner admits
30:37
Speaker 2: the social media ban for teens isn't working and she
30:40
Speaker 2: wants even more powers. This is what everyone's been worried about.
30:44
Speaker 4: It's after the break.
30:49
Speaker 2: The Safety Commissioner has given a pretty brutal assessment of
30:53
Speaker 2: the Albanese government's under sixteen social media ban. In a
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Speaker 2: soft interview with The Herald, she basically I you that
31:00
Speaker 2: she needed more powers. She said, what you're effectively asking
31:04
Speaker 2: us to do with this is fence the ocean. We
31:07
Speaker 2: might be able to create some friction and some degree
31:10
Speaker 2: of safety, but it's a futile exercise if you think
31:13
Speaker 2: you're totally stemming the ocean. And to discuss joining me
31:17
Speaker 2: now is our choose, They regular Daily Telegraph editor Ben
31:19
Speaker 2: English Ben I mean firstly, and moroset. Worryingly, she seems
31:23
Speaker 2: to be admitting that teenagers are just getting around the laws.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: No, it's a terrible message to send. And in the
31:29
Speaker 12: same interview she actually said that initially she didn't actually
31:33
Speaker 12: agree with the band, that she thought that, you know,
31:35
Speaker 12: there were other means that they should should attack. So
31:39
Speaker 12: dreadful interview, dreadful messaging and a bad workman blames their tools.
31:43
Speaker 12: I mean, the legislation actually allows for significant fines against
31:50
Speaker 12: the social media platforms. Just go for them, find them.
31:55
Speaker 12: She doesn't have to, you know, she doesn't have to
31:57
Speaker 12: fossis through the ocean. She can actually just go after
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Speaker 12: one case and it's it's tens and tens of millions
32:04
Speaker 12: of dollars that they could find.
32:06
Speaker 2: Also interesting that she's using the article to call for
32:09
Speaker 2: more powers for herself. She's a very controversial figure originally
32:13
Speaker 2: brought in by Malcolm Turnbull, a a woke San Francisco bureaucrat.
32:17
Speaker 2: And you know, we look at particularly the UK, where
32:21
Speaker 2: people have been arrested for what they've said on social media,
32:23
Speaker 2: and it's really worrying that she's now using this to
32:26
Speaker 2: say she needs more.
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Speaker 12: Always beware of anyone who's got adjacent to or in
32:32
Speaker 12: control of information and dissemination of it, asking four more powers.
32:36
Speaker 12: She's got sufficient powers for this. She's just not doing
32:39
Speaker 12: a job.
32:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, all right, Ben, Your front page tomorrow
32:44
Speaker 2: deals with the decision by the Fair Work Commission to
32:48
Speaker 2: hand down a four point seventy five percent wage increase
32:51
Speaker 2: for minimum and award wages from July.
32:56
Speaker 12: So okay, I'll just talk to this. So it's great
32:59
Speaker 12: to get a pay rise, but the pray rise isn't
33:02
Speaker 12: much use if you haven't got a job, right. So
33:05
Speaker 12: the economists we've spoken to have warned number one, probably
33:09
Speaker 12: at least one, but likely two rate rises, and this
33:12
Speaker 12: is contributing to it because it's inflationary on top of
33:15
Speaker 12: the massively inflationary budget that Jim Chalmas has brought down
33:19
Speaker 12: extra forty one bion dollars suspending. Secondly, you've got businesses
33:24
Speaker 12: and we spoke to the business New South Wales. They
33:26
Speaker 12: said there's going to be a tsunami of insolvencies, particularly
33:29
Speaker 12: in hospitality. So they've already been.
33:31
Speaker 4: Hit by paper down now right good.
33:34
Speaker 12: They've already been hit by massive increases in power prices,
33:39
Speaker 12: massive increases in rent and this is a triple whami.
33:42
Speaker 12: So what we've got now is basically all the leavers
33:46
Speaker 12: of the economy are acting in the name of fairness,
33:49
Speaker 12: but not in actually improving the economy.
33:53
Speaker 2: It's really irresponsible of the Fair Work Commission because the
33:56
Speaker 2: RBA is having the rate rises to try curb inflation.
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Speaker 2: As you say in the front plate page. This is
34:02
Speaker 2: inflation that gets a raise one hundred percent.
34:05
Speaker 12: Basically, if you I mean like Jim Kelty, paulk Eating
34:10
Speaker 12: and Bob pork Horkey would be rolling his grave. They
34:12
Speaker 12: put together the Accord, which suppressed wage growth and enabled
34:16
Speaker 12: them to kill off inflation.
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Speaker 4: This is doing the opposite, exact opposite.
34:20
Speaker 2: Now I spoke about Grace Tame before, but I'm interested
34:23
Speaker 2: in your view as a newspaper editor, how irresponsible is it?
34:27
Speaker 6: Like?
34:27
Speaker 4: Do you would you ever give a.
34:28
Speaker 2: Podcast to someone who deliberately and refuse to apologize for
34:32
Speaker 2: spreading hateful messaging?
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Speaker 12: No, because I want to keep my job. And the
34:36
Speaker 12: thing is is anyone who works outside the ABC, we
34:42
Speaker 12: are basically measured daily on our performance, as in how
34:45
Speaker 12: many papers we've solved, how many subscriptions we've got, how
34:48
Speaker 12: many page views, and all the other metrics. The ABC
34:51
Speaker 12: doesn't give a rats about that because basically there's no
34:54
Speaker 12: consequences when they do things like this that are utterly
34:57
Speaker 12: toned deaf. So for me as an editor, it's just
35:00
Speaker 12: another reason why they should be completely defunded. And basically,
35:05
Speaker 12: if they want to exist, then go for a subscription model.
35:08
Speaker 4: With decisions like this.
35:09
Speaker 2: Do you think it adds weight to the coalition's call
35:12
Speaker 2: that the ABC should be appearing before the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, I mean this is it means so offensive. I
35:19
Speaker 12: mean we've already had I mean, Charlie Pickering came out.
35:22
Speaker 12: He's a Jewish guy who's a significant figure in the
35:24
Speaker 12: ABC and has is Jewish.
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Speaker 6: Yes he is.
35:27
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
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Speaker 12: I hope he is, because it's been reported today that
35:30
Speaker 12: he is, and so he's come out. Good on him.
35:34
Speaker 12: Grave call for someone inside the junta. But there's so
35:38
Speaker 12: many instances of the ABC's reporting of ever since October seven,
35:43
Speaker 12: in curiously reporting on Hummus on Humma's claims, particularly about
35:48
Speaker 12: civilian casualties. So I think it would be very relevant
35:52
Speaker 12: for them to be brought before the Royal Commission. But
35:54
Speaker 12: why don't we just have a Royal Commission to the
35:55
Speaker 12: ABC itself?
35:56
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, why not? Why not? Exactly?
35:58
Speaker 2: That would be interesting, wouldn't And now I know you
36:01
Speaker 2: don't have it with you, but you're at the front
36:02
Speaker 2: page of your paper today dealt with some of the
36:05
Speaker 2: issues that farmers are facing. It's with your twenty twenty
36:09
Speaker 2: six Bush Summit campaign. Young farmers like twenty four year
36:13
Speaker 2: old Darcy from Victoria, who says he feels ignored by Canberra.
36:19
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, this is going to be really interesting Bush
36:21
Speaker 12: Summit this year because the disconnect that the Bush is
36:25
Speaker 12: feeling is never we're already sensing, has never been more acute.
36:30
Speaker 12: You've got already the massive issues around the green rollout,
36:34
Speaker 12: You've got water issues that they feel that they're being
36:36
Speaker 12: ignored about. And we've also got some drought issues that
36:39
Speaker 12: are emerging, particularly in western New South Wales. And you know,
36:42
Speaker 12: there's no accident that one nation has been catching fire
36:46
Speaker 12: right across the hinterland because basically they they seem to
36:52
Speaker 12: them to be the alternative to the political system in
36:55
Speaker 12: Canberra that they believe aren't not listening to constituents.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and just a total tune out of the
37:04
Speaker 2: political and media elite. It's very similar to the rise
37:08
Speaker 2: of Trump. Ben great to see you, We'll see you
37:11
Speaker 2: next week. Can see and still to calm. Australia's population
37:15
Speaker 2: hits twenty eight million, but our fertility rate is falling.
37:20
Speaker 2: Plas Iran spurs on Hesbela to attack Israel in a
37:23
Speaker 2: tactic to delay the peace Plan. Peter Jennings will explain
37:27
Speaker 2: the story behind the Trump Bibie phone call after the break.
37:35
Speaker 2: Welcome back and returning to the Middle East now, where
37:37
Speaker 2: President Trump says that Israel and Hezbola have agreed that
37:41
Speaker 2: all shooting will stop, this after reports of their heated
37:44
Speaker 2: phone call. But Hesbola has been firing rockets and drones
37:48
Speaker 2: into Israel and Nedinya, who has every right and an obligation,
37:52
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, to defend Israeli citizens. Sky News
37:56
Speaker 2: defense analyst Peter Jennings joins me. Now, Peter, thanks for
37:59
Speaker 2: your time. Now Haswela has been attacking Israel, reportedly with
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Speaker 2: what's called FPV drones, which are said to be killing
38:10
Speaker 2: young Israeli soldiers and also destroying homes in northern Israel. Now,
38:14
Speaker 2: the FPV drones, I'm told can't be intercepted. They have
38:20
Speaker 2: been introduced by Iran to sink the ceasefire and delay
38:25
Speaker 2: the peace deal.
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Speaker 4: What do you think.
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Speaker 6: So?
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Speaker 10: FPV means first person view, they're guided by individuals actually
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Speaker 10: flying them, and the drones operate on a very very
38:37
Speaker 10: fine fiber optic cable, which is the thing that makes
38:41
Speaker 10: them impossible to be down by electronic means you can
38:44
Speaker 10: shoot them down if you're lucky enough, but they are
38:47
Speaker 10: able to fly something like twenty kilometers into Israeli territory.
38:51
Speaker 10: This is what we have seen the Russians and the
38:54
Speaker 10: Ukrainians using against each other on the Donbas Front for
38:57
Speaker 10: several years now. And they are a deadly deadlier form
39:02
Speaker 10: of drone because you can actually fly them into Israeli territory,
39:06
Speaker 10: sit them on the ground for a period of time,
39:08
Speaker 10: and then when you see a target, you can take
39:10
Speaker 10: off again with your fiber guidance and go and hit
39:14
Speaker 10: your target. So it's an escalation which is really a
39:19
Speaker 10: provocation that Israel can't ignore. With the range of drone
39:25
Speaker 10: and missile attacks which are coming into Israel by Hesbla
39:28
Speaker 10: from Libanon. They have to respond. It's part of their
39:31
Speaker 10: self defense strategy to protect the tens of thousands of
39:35
Speaker 10: Israelis which live in northern Israel. That's what's going on.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
39:41
Speaker 2: So then you know Israel's forced to respond to try
39:44
Speaker 2: to push has Balah beyond the Latiny River so it
39:47
Speaker 2: can't reach its civilians. But then Trump responds in anger
39:50
Speaker 2: towards Israel. But as you say, what is it meant
39:53
Speaker 2: to do? And it's civilians are under attack. So this
39:55
Speaker 2: is a clever strategy by Iran, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's a strategy to sort of draw the negotiation
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Speaker 10: process out, which I think is what the Iranians have
40:05
Speaker 10: wanted to do all along. They know Trump doesn't want
40:08
Speaker 10: to restart military conflict. They know he's sensitive about seeing
40:13
Speaker 10: the conflict press up too close to the midterm elections
40:15
Speaker 10: which happen in the United States in November. So this
40:19
Speaker 10: is about trying to strengthen their position and weaken the president.
40:22
Speaker 10: And as we know very well with Donald Trump, he
40:24
Speaker 10: doesn't have much patience. Hence I guess the angry phone
40:28
Speaker 10: call which apparently took place between him and BB earlier
40:31
Speaker 10: today or yesterday our time. But really the problem that
40:35
Speaker 10: Trump has, Shari, is that there is no clear, satisfactory
40:39
Speaker 10: American end to the conflict. He's not solved the situation
40:43
Speaker 10: of Iran's nuclear control of nuclear materials. He's not been
40:48
Speaker 10: able to regain control of the Strait of Ulmus. He
40:51
Speaker 10: can't stop his belafe from attacking Israel through southern Lebanon.
40:56
Speaker 10: And these are all the things which are getting in
40:58
Speaker 10: the way of a believable peace settlement, which is the
41:01
Speaker 10: thing that Trump desperately wants.
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Speaker 2: And so this frustration over his inability to get a
41:08
Speaker 2: deal done. I mean that's kind of behind the younger
41:11
Speaker 2: which is misdirected. Isn't edit at the Israeli Prime Minister.
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Speaker 10: I think it is misdirected against Netanyahu. And again it
41:20
Speaker 10: reflects the reality that this is an existential threat towards Israel.
41:24
Speaker 10: It covers a large part of their northern population. They
41:28
Speaker 10: have to respond. It's less of a thread if you're
41:31
Speaker 10: Donald Trump sitting in the United States, and so there's
41:35
Speaker 10: a misbalance between Israel Israeli concerns and American concerns here.
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Speaker 10: But I think we also have to remember that Trump
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Speaker 10: can change in any twenty four hour cycle, and if
41:46
Speaker 10: he feels he has to tough the Iranians out, well
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Speaker 10: perhaps that's what the next twenty four hours is going
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Speaker 10: to do. America still has a lot of military draw
41:54
Speaker 10: cards which it can play. So it comes down to
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Speaker 10: how aggressively does the president want to try and promote
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Speaker 10: his own negotiating position and not let the Iranian Revolutionary
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Speaker 10: Guards dominate, which is apparently what they're doing right now.
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Speaker 4: So what do you think is going to happen. Now.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the likely option is they'll just work
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Speaker 2: out a deal because that's what Trump clearly wants, that's
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Speaker 2: his top priority. Or do you think there might be
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Speaker 2: a return to military fighting. And when I say returner,
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Speaker 2: obviously that does acknowledge that the daily skirmishes have been ongoing.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we'll continue to see these skirmishes. I
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Speaker 10: think America will continue to hit ships and shore facilities
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Speaker 10: that the Iranians are using to try and control the
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Speaker 10: strain offormers. If there is any deal, I think it's
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Speaker 10: going to be temporary and it's going to be violated
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Speaker 10: on all sides because there is at this stage no
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Speaker 10: real lasting solution that I can see that works for
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Speaker 10: America's interests, let alone for Iranian interests. And so what
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Speaker 10: that really means, Sharry, is this is going to drag
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Speaker 10: on for quite some time yet, closer to the midterms,
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Speaker 10: and I don't think the President really has the capacity
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Speaker 10: to bring it in to end at any faster than that.
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Speaker 10: He just now has to live with the strategic reality
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Speaker 10: of starting a war at the end of February. Now
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Speaker 10: he's got to see it through, even if that's uncomfortable
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Speaker 10: for him politically.
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Speaker 2: I should also add the Arab nations of course, don't
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Speaker 2: want to return to the war either. Just finally, Peter,
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Speaker 2: on another topic, I'm keen to get your view. You're
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Speaker 2: a former deputy secretary in the Department Offense, Department of Defense.
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Speaker 4: We've seen clearly that there's.
43:32
Speaker 2: Been a lot of problems with information flow in intelligence
43:36
Speaker 2: sharing when it related to the alleged shooters prior to
43:39
Speaker 2: the Bondai attack. Where also seeing the Albanezi government's attempt
43:42
Speaker 2: to keep their decisions around funding of counterterrorism secret.
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Speaker 4: What does all of this say to you?
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Speaker 10: I think what it shows, Shari is that if the
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Speaker 10: Royal Commission is really going to have a forensic look
43:56
Speaker 10: at the effectiveness of the police and intelligence services, it
44:01
Speaker 10: ultimately leads a trail back to cabinet decision making. And
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Speaker 10: that's the thing that the Albenzi government has been reluctant
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Speaker 10: to give Commissioner Bell access to because it's government, not
44:11
Speaker 10: the agencies, which set the priority for money, the overall
44:15
Speaker 10: amount of money and where it gets spent, and then
44:18
Speaker 10: the agencies have to live with that reality. So what's
44:21
Speaker 10: happening here is that the government is fighting and losing
44:23
Speaker 10: it would seem a rearguard action to not let Commissioner
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Speaker 10: Bell draw on cabinet documents showing their decisions, showing minister's
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Speaker 10: decisions in the Prime Minister's decisions. And I guess that's
44:35
Speaker 10: why Anthony Alberinezi didn't want the Royal Commission in the
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Speaker 10: first place. But now he's got it, and it seems
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Speaker 10: to me Commission of Bell as serious about fulfilling the
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Speaker 10: terms of her charter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was paranoid that his negligence or what I
44:47
Speaker 2: see as his negligence on anti Sammitism would be examined.
44:50
Speaker 2: But I completely agree with you, and I said it
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Speaker 2: last night. The Royal Commission has to I mean it
44:55
Speaker 2: has to. I don't think it will, but call in
44:57
Speaker 2: senior Albanesi government ministers to interrogate them about their funding
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Speaker 2: decisions and their priorities because this is important and I
45:05
Speaker 2: hope they do all right, Peter Jennings, thank you very
45:08
Speaker 2: much for your time, and don't go anywhere yet to
45:10
Speaker 2: Australia's population at its highest ever level today precisely the
45:15
Speaker 2: same moment we're facing an economic collapse.
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Speaker 4: Talk about it after the break.
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Speaker 2: Well just before six am today, Australia's population ticked over
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Speaker 2: twenty eight million according to the ABS. Yet on the
45:32
Speaker 2: same day we learn that we're in the midst of
45:34
Speaker 2: a baby recession, with a number of births falling to
45:38
Speaker 2: a twenty year low of around one point four babies
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Speaker 2: per woman, and some experts are sounding the alarm. They're
45:46
Speaker 2: warning of a demographic winter. And with me now is
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Speaker 2: one demographer and futurist Mark McCrindle. Mark, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: So why are families having fewer babies?
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Speaker 14: Well, it's cost of house again, cost of living. That
46:01
Speaker 14: is the big challenge for young people that are hitting
46:04
Speaker 14: those fertility years. Most couples want to have home ownership
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Speaker 14: before starting a family and that's being pushed back. You've
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Speaker 14: also got people investing in their education a lot later,
46:16
Speaker 14: they're moving out of home later, and so the fertility years,
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Speaker 14: the family years have been pushed back in a generation
46:22
Speaker 14: from early to mid twenties to now the early thirties
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Speaker 14: thirty two median age of a woman giving birth in Australia.
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Speaker 14: So they're starting later and they're having fewer because of
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Speaker 14: the costs and those social changes.
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Speaker 2: So does that mean that Australia's rising population hitting twenty
46:38
Speaker 2: eight million today. That's partly because of migration, yes, very.
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Speaker 14: Largely the case. So we've got the lowest birth rate
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Speaker 14: ever recorded, we've got the oldest population that we've ever had,
46:49
Speaker 14: and we've got the biggest population increase that we've seen
46:53
Speaker 14: in the last couple of years, and that's largely migration.
46:56
Speaker 14: So pre pandemic, just over half of our growth was
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Speaker 14: through overseas migration fifty five percent, about forty five percent
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Speaker 14: through natural increase. But in the last five years since
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Speaker 14: the pandemic, seventy five percent of our growth has been
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Speaker 14: through overseas migration, just a quarter of it through natural increase.
47:13
Speaker 14: So we're leaning more and more on migration to grow
47:15
Speaker 14: the population.
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Speaker 2: That obviously also reflects the different priorities of a different
47:19
Speaker 2: government in that time period. But Mark, I mean, how
47:23
Speaker 2: does this change the demographic of our country over time
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Speaker 2: when we have a higher population, higher migration, better lower
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Speaker 2: fertility rate.
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Speaker 14: Well, it's rare to get that, to have an aging
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Speaker 14: population and record low birth rates and yet a fast
47:39
Speaker 14: growing population setting your records. I mean, we've added this
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Speaker 14: extra million people to get to twenty eight million in
47:45
Speaker 14: just over two years. It used to take three to
47:48
Speaker 14: four years pre pandemic, so we're certainly rocketing ahead. And
47:52
Speaker 14: those dynamics of population growth are unusual, and it's it's migration.
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Speaker 14: And the challenge is that, you know, it's no surprise
47:59
Speaker 14: that we've got record low birth rates at the same
48:01
Speaker 14: time as we've got record high migration, because migration acts
48:05
Speaker 14: as a crowding out impact on young families starting family.
48:10
Speaker 14: So that's a bit of the challenge. Unless we get
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Speaker 14: the balance right, we're going to continue to see those
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Speaker 14: birth rates plummet and lean more and more on migration
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Speaker 14: to fill skills gaps.
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Speaker 2: I also wonder if the declining fertility rate is also
48:24
Speaker 2: partly because of the rise of social media. You know,
48:27
Speaker 2: husbands and wives on their phones at night instead of
48:30
Speaker 2: turning to each other and having a bit of romance.
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Speaker 14: Well yeah, and more broadly, I mean couples starting their
48:38
Speaker 14: relationships later in life. You know, we found in the
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Speaker 14: research that it's not that people want no children or
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Speaker 14: more want fewer children. That's a part of it, but
48:48
Speaker 14: a bigger part of it is that people are having
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Speaker 14: fewer than they ideally want, and that's because they're starting
48:54
Speaker 14: their families later. You've got people that are wanting to
48:57
Speaker 14: get understandably, you know, the home ownership and a little
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Speaker 14: bit of economic foundation before they move into this very
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Speaker 14: vulnerable and expensive time in life. And yet, you know,
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Speaker 14: if everything's arranged perfectly, it's not going to be the
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Speaker 14: mid thirties that people are sorted out and they're just
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Speaker 14: running out of time. So you know, some economic assistance,
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Speaker 14: as we've seen in the past, can help, as well
49:17
Speaker 14: as people just encouraging that the startup family is an
49:21
Speaker 14: important thing in this nation and we need more children
49:24
Speaker 14: because that's going to take the edge off the aging population,
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Speaker 14: provide the next generation. We can't solve all of the
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Speaker 14: problems just by bringing people here through migration.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: And cost of living, cost of nappies, wet wipes, everything
49:37
Speaker 2: is getting more expensive for young people who kind of
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Speaker 2: find it. Mike mccrendall, great to have you on the show.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and that's it for me. I'll
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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night at eight o'clock. And right now
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Speaker 2: in the man Cave, Paul Murray