Latest / Finding God at Work / 24: How to Stop Being Snooty
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- 0:05(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Hi, I'm Chris.
- 0:07This is Finding God at Work.
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- 0:26Our current series is Meaningful Work, Calling, Formation,
- 0:30Service, and Love.
- 0:33Have you ever interacted with someone who was
- 0:35just a little bit snooty towards you?
- 0:38This happened to me once.
- 0:40Katie and I got married very young, and
- 0:42I proposed to her during our freshman year
- 0:44of college.
- 0:45In hindsight, now that I'm in my 30s,
- 0:47I look at freshmen in college that I
- 0:49know, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that
- 0:51was so young.
- 0:52But at the time, I felt on top
- 0:54of things.
- 0:55I felt competent.
- 0:55I knew I wanted to marry this woman.
- 0:57And that was right.
- 0:58I'm really glad I married Katie.
- 0:59That was a good call.
- 1:00But we were very, very young.
- 1:02And I had a meeting with a financial
- 1:05aid counselor at my college as we were
- 1:07preparing to get married, because your financial aid
- 1:10status can change when you're married.
- 1:11And I could just tell, this person was
- 1:15not all about the idea of me getting
- 1:17married so young.
- 1:18They didn't come out and say anything.
- 1:19We could just kind of tell in their
- 1:20manner.
- 1:21They were a little snooty.
- 1:22You know, they were a little judgmental.
- 1:23Like, eh, yeah, he's a little kid, thinks
- 1:25he's getting married, making stupid decisions, financial aid
- 1:28things, yada, yada, yada.
- 1:29And there's so many different ways that people
- 1:32can communicate this, right?
- 1:33It's in their tone of voice.
- 1:34It's in their body language.
- 1:37I've read many accounts and sometimes heard from
- 1:39friends and acquaintances that this can be racialized.
- 1:42I've never experienced that.
- 1:44But I have others who have talked about
- 1:47driving while Black, getting pulled over for no
- 1:50good reason, just because they happen to be
- 1:53Black seems to be the reason that the
- 1:55officer decided to pull them over.
- 1:56Or when they're in a store, kind of
- 1:59being eyed in a certain way by the
- 2:01clerks and the staff at the store, as
- 2:02though they're somehow perceived as a threat.
- 2:04I can just imagine how emotionally difficult and
- 2:09distasteful and disgusting it must be for someone
- 2:12to just treat you, just because you're you,
- 2:14as though you're less than.
- 2:16If you've ever experienced that, it just, ugh,
- 2:19whether it's racialized or not, being treated as
- 2:21less than just feels awful.
- 2:24It's terrible for somebody to think they're better
- 2:26than you.
- 2:27And yet, and yet, I also know the
- 2:31flip side of that, which is I can
- 2:32be snooty towards other people.
- 2:35And this has come home to me in
- 2:37a new way recently, working through some conflicts
- 2:41with some important people in my life, realizing
- 2:43like, wow, I sometimes put my foot in
- 2:46it.
- 2:47I sometimes not just say the wrong thing,
- 2:49but as Jesus said, out of the overflow
- 2:51of the heart, the mouth speaks.
- 2:52Sometimes I really have nurtured a snooty attitude
- 2:55towards certain people.
- 2:57And so that's something I've got to work
- 2:59on.
- 2:59I've got to repent of.
- 3:00And as we're talking about a formation in
- 3:03the workplace and the role of humility in
- 3:05several recent episodes, I thought it might be
- 3:07helpful to look at humility specifically.
- 3:11And what can we practically do to kind
- 3:13of break the snootiness in our own hearts?
- 3:15How can we participate in what the Holy
- 3:18Spirit is doing?
- 3:19My dad used to tell this joke that
- 3:21he had a friend who wrote a book
- 3:22called Humility and How I Achieved It.
- 3:25And the irony of the joke is that
- 3:27if you're humble, you wouldn't be saying that
- 3:29you're humble.
- 3:29There's this kind of paradoxical quality to humility
- 3:32that you can't pursue it directly.
- 3:35So I want to look at a couple
- 3:37ideas around that.
- 3:39One comes from Timothy Keller.
- 3:41So this is from an article he wrote
- 3:42way back in 2008.
- 3:44But he's talking about this kind of paradoxical
- 3:47quality of humility.
- 3:47Keller writes, We are on slippery ground because
- 3:51humility cannot be attained directly.
- 3:54Once we become aware of the poison of
- 3:56pride, we begin to notice it all around
- 3:58us.
- 3:59We hear it in the sarcastic, snarky voices
- 4:01in newspaper columns and weblogs.
- 4:04We see it in civic, cultural, and business
- 4:06leaders who never admit weaknesses or failure.
- 4:09We see it in our neighbors and some
- 4:11friends with their jealousy, self-pity, and boasting.
- 4:14And so we vow not to talk or
- 4:16act like that.
- 4:18If we then notice a humble turn of
- 4:20mind in ourselves, we immediately become smug.
- 4:24But that is pride in our humility.
- 4:26If we catch ourselves doing that, we will
- 4:29be particularly impressed with how nuanced and subtle
- 4:31we have become.
- 4:33Humility is so shy.
- 4:35If you begin talking about it, it leaves.
- 4:38To even ask the question, am I humble,
- 4:40is not to be so.
- 4:42Examining your own heart, even for pride, often
- 4:44leads to being proud about your diligence and
- 4:46circumspection.
- 4:50This is so true, right?
- 4:52If you're just focused on your own self,
- 4:55even in your attempts to repent of pride,
- 4:58you can start getting proud of your repentance.
- 5:00You can start getting proud of your humility.
- 5:02So what are we supposed to do?
- 5:03What are we supposed to do?
- 5:05Well, I want to turn to a passage
- 5:06where this seems to be at play in
- 5:08Jesus' relationship with his disciples.
- 5:11So this comes from the Gospel of Mark,
- 5:13chapter 10.
- 5:15And a couple of Jesus' disciples, James and
- 5:17John, were brothers.
- 5:19And they're being a little snooty in this
- 5:20passage.
- 5:21They're being a little snooty toward the other
- 5:23disciples.
- 5:23So here's how it goes, starting in verse
- 5:2535.
- 5:27And James and John, the sons of Zebedee,
- 5:29came up to him and said to him,
- 5:30Teacher, we want you to do for us
- 5:32whatever we ask of you.
- 5:34And Jesus said to them, what do you
- 5:36want me to do for you?
- 5:38And they said to him, grant us to
- 5:40sit one at your right hand and one
- 5:41at your left in your glory.
- 5:44Jesus said to them, you do not know
- 5:46what you are asking.
- 5:48Are you able to drink the cup that
- 5:50I drink or to be baptized with the
- 5:52baptism with which I am baptized?
- 5:56And they said to him, we are able.
- 5:58And Jesus said to them, the cup that
- 6:01I drink, you will drink.
- 6:03And with the baptism with which I am
- 6:05baptized, you will be baptized.
- 6:07But to sit at my right hand or
- 6:09at my left is not mine to grant,
- 6:11but it is for those for whom it
- 6:13has been prepared.
- 6:16And when the other 10 disciples heard it,
- 6:18they began to be indignant at James and
- 6:20John.
- 6:21And Jesus called them to him and said
- 6:23to them, You know that those who are
- 6:26considered rulers of the Gentiles lord it over
- 6:28them, and their great ones exercise authority over
- 6:31them, but it shall not be so among
- 6:33you.
- 6:33But whoever would be great among you must
- 6:36be your servant, and whoever would be first
- 6:38among you must be slave of all.
- 6:41For even the Son of Man came not
- 6:43to be served, but to serve, and to
- 6:45give his life as a ransom for many.
- 6:50Okay, we don't have time to even unwrap
- 6:51that full passage.
- 6:53It's such a rich teaching from Jesus.
- 6:55And there's this humor in this passage, right?
- 6:58James and John come to Jesus, and what's
- 7:00their request?
- 7:00They kind of hedge.
- 7:01They don't want to say what it is
- 7:02at first.
- 7:02They're just like, will you do a favor
- 7:04for us no matter what it is?
- 7:05And Jesus is like, well, what's the favor?
- 7:07What do you want me to do for
- 7:08you?
- 7:09And then they're like, we want to be
- 7:10in spots one and two in your kingdom.
- 7:13We want to be, you know, silver and
- 7:16bronze medalist alongside gold medalist Jesus.
- 7:19All right, what an audacious request.
- 7:22How full of themselves can these guys be?
- 7:24And Jesus knows that to follow him is
- 7:28to embrace a life of suffering, a life
- 7:30of servanthood, a life of humility.
- 7:33And so he asks them, well, he tells
- 7:35them, you don't know what you're saying.
- 7:36And he asks them, can you really follow
- 7:38me?
- 7:38Can you use this metaphor of baptism?
- 7:39Will you be baptized with my kind of
- 7:41baptism?
- 7:41And they're just like, yeah, we can.
- 7:42And they have no idea what they're saying.
- 7:44And Jesus is like, well, you will.
- 7:45Jesus knows their future.
- 7:47Jesus knows that, thank God, James and John
- 7:48will go through this crucible of humility, like
- 7:51all of his disciples.
- 7:53But he says, look, the whole first and
- 7:55second places spots, that's not, yeah, no deal.
- 7:59And the other disciples, of course, react the
- 8:02way any of us would react with somebody
- 8:03who clearly thinks they're better than us, right?
- 8:05Like James and John, what do you think
- 8:06you're doing?
- 8:07Right, why are you so sweet?
- 8:08Why do you think you deserve those spots
- 8:09rather than us?
- 8:10There's just this kind of competitive spirit that
- 8:12they've fallen into.
- 8:13And I fall into this kind of competitive
- 8:15spirit all the time.
- 8:16I find myself mentally comparing myself to others
- 8:19and thinking, oh, I could do that job
- 8:20better.
- 8:21And it's like, well, what is that about?
- 8:23What is that about?
- 8:24It's not about what the Lord wants for
- 8:26us.
- 8:26So then Jesus, and this is the part
- 8:28of the passage I want to focus on,
- 8:30then Jesus gives them a different way.
- 8:32And he says that, you know, this is
- 8:35normal human interaction.
- 8:36This is how the Gentiles do it.
- 8:38People are snooty towards each other.
- 8:39People lord their authority over each other.
- 8:41But he says, but whoever would be great
- 8:43among you must be your servant.
- 8:47And whoever would be first among you must
- 8:49be slave of all.
- 8:51So Jesus says, if you really want greatness,
- 8:53the way to greatness is through service.
- 8:58Okay.
- 9:00Now, that itself could be twisted.
- 9:03The idea that you can achieve greatness through
- 9:05service, that could still somehow become warped.
- 9:07Just like Timothy Keller said, you start pursuing
- 9:09humility, you get proud of your humility.
- 9:11You can start pursuing service in order to
- 9:13become great and get proud of your service,
- 9:15right?
- 9:17But as we think about our workplaces and
- 9:19our practical opportunities to grow, to be formed
- 9:24in a deeper Christ-like character, including humility,
- 9:26I do think that service is one of
- 9:28the most practical things we can do, if
- 9:31we do it in the right spirit.
- 9:32So I want to turn to another great
- 9:34thinker, Richard Foster, who I think shows us
- 9:37how to serve in the way that Jesus
- 9:39is really talking about, how to truly adopt
- 9:42a spirit of Christ-like service that cuts
- 9:44against that snootiness and that pride that's in
- 9:47our heart.
- 9:48And there's a couple of different ways that
- 9:51we can do this.
- 9:52We can kind of nuance what kind of
- 9:54service is really helpful.
- 9:56But I want to read from Richard Foster's
- 9:57classic Celebration of Discipline, which we've cited several
- 10:00times before in other episodes and series.
- 10:03And he talks about the relationship between service
- 10:06and humility.
- 10:08Foster writes, More than any other single way,
- 10:11the grace of humility is worked into our
- 10:14lives through the discipline of service.
- 10:17Humility, as we all know, is one of
- 10:20those virtues that is never granted by seeking
- 10:21it.
- 10:22The more we pursue it, the more distant
- 10:24it becomes.
- 10:25To think we have it is sure evidence
- 10:27that we don't.
- 10:28Therefore, most of us assume there is nothing
- 10:30we can do to gain this prized Christian
- 10:31virtue.
- 10:32And so we do nothing.
- 10:34But there is something we can do.
- 10:36We do not need to go through life
- 10:37faintly hoping that someday humility may fall upon
- 10:40our heads.
- 10:40Of all the classical spiritual disciplines, service is
- 10:44the most conducive to the growth of humility.
- 10:48When we set out on a consciously chosen
- 10:50course of action that accents the good of
- 10:52others and is for the most part a
- 10:54hidden work, a deep change occurs in our
- 10:57spirits.
- 10:59Nothing disciplines the inordinate desires of the flesh
- 11:02like service.
- 11:03And nothing transforms the desires of the flesh
- 11:06like serving in hiddenness.
- 11:08The flesh whines against service but screams against
- 11:12hidden service.
- 11:13It strains and pulls for honor and recognition.
- 11:15It will devise subtle, religiously acceptable means to
- 11:18call attention to the service rendered.
- 11:21If we stoutly refuse to give in to
- 11:23this lust of the flesh, we crucify it.
- 11:25Every time we crucify the flesh, we crucify
- 11:28our pride and arrogance.
- 11:31Okay, so you get what Richard Foster is
- 11:33saying?
- 11:33He's talking about how it's so easy to
- 11:35even in this language of service or this
- 11:37idea of service still actually indulge the flesh.
- 11:40And again, just that idea of the flesh
- 11:42is like the part of our personality that
- 11:44has not been redeemed by God through Jesus
- 11:46Christ.
- 11:47The kind of embodied habits of sin that
- 11:49are still there in our person, still getting
- 11:51worked out by God's grace over time.
- 11:54And Richard Foster says that that flesh, that
- 11:56flesh that needs to be crucified, it hates
- 11:59it when we have to serve.
- 12:00And it hates it even more when we
- 12:02serve and don't get any credit for it.
- 12:04And so this is the thing about service.
- 12:07The way that service gets warped is when
- 12:09we serve in order to get accolades.
- 12:13We serve in order to get a reputation.
- 12:15We serve in order for people to think
- 12:17about us a certain way.
- 12:18That's actually just inflating that balloon of the
- 12:20false self again.
- 12:22So the key, the practical way to keep
- 12:25service Christ-like, as Jesus said, if you
- 12:28want to be great, you've got to be
- 12:30a servant.
- 12:31If you want to be first, you've got
- 12:32to be slave of all.
- 12:33The real way to do that is to
- 12:35serve in hidden ways.
- 12:37This is sometimes called the discipline of secrecy.
- 12:40So I challenge you to think about this
- 12:42creatively in your own workplace.
- 12:44What are ways that you can serve other
- 12:46people with an eye to their real needs
- 12:49and to the mission of your organization that
- 12:51you will get zero credit for?
- 12:54And this is really turning general wisdom on
- 12:57its head, right?
- 12:58Sometimes people emphasize, if you do something at
- 13:00work, make sure you toot your own horn
- 13:01about it or else you won't get credit
- 13:02for it.
- 13:03You won't be perceived as actually having done
- 13:05it.
- 13:05Make sure that you keep a record of
- 13:06it so you can talk about it at
- 13:07your annual review and get a raise.
- 13:10And some of that is legitimate, right?
- 13:11We need to advocate for ourselves.
- 13:13It is appropriate for our bosses and those
- 13:15who make decisions about our remuneration to know
- 13:18about the value that we're bringing to the
- 13:20enterprise.
- 13:21That's all okay.
- 13:21But it doesn't mean that there isn't opportunity
- 13:25to do things in a hidden way, to
- 13:28do secret acts of service just for the
- 13:30sake of loving other people, not for any
- 13:33benefit that would run down to you through
- 13:35your reputation or in any other way.
- 13:38So a couple ideas here.
- 13:40One is to look for menial tasks and
- 13:43do them when no one is looking.
- 13:44So there's a break room at my office,
- 13:47right?
- 13:48And the break room sometimes gets messy.
- 13:50And it's nobody's particular job to clean up
- 13:52the break room.
- 13:53And because of that, I never clean up
- 13:55the break room.
- 13:57I hope that somebody else will do it.
- 13:58And yet somehow it ends up being cleaned.
- 14:00I must have some coworker who goes in
- 14:02there and cleans it just to make sure
- 14:04that it's clean.
- 14:05Maybe that's an opportunity for me.
- 14:07Is there something like that in your workplace
- 14:09where you could go in, clean something up
- 14:11when no one's looking just because it needs
- 14:13to be done without resentment, just as a
- 14:15gift, without looking for credit?
- 14:17Could God use that to form humility in
- 14:21your heart?
- 14:21So that's one thing, looking for a menial
- 14:23task.
- 14:23And then another idea is to think about
- 14:27how you can get credit for something and
- 14:29abstain.
- 14:30So, for example, one way that we get
- 14:32credit for things is social media, right?
- 14:35So maybe you achieved something really meaningful and
- 14:38you want to share it with other people.
- 14:39So you share a post on it on
- 14:40LinkedIn or maybe even on a more personal
- 14:43social media platform.
- 14:45And again, there can be appropriate ways for
- 14:47that.
- 14:47But think about, okay, what would it be
- 14:49like for me to achieve something really significant
- 14:51and then abstain from posting, to just let
- 14:55it go?
- 14:56Nobody needs to know that I did that
- 14:57cool thing.
- 14:58Oh.
- 15:00Huh.
- 15:01So those are kind of two ways to
- 15:03think about exercising service in hiddenness.
- 15:06One, engage, do the menial task when no
- 15:10one's looking just so that it can be
- 15:11done.
- 15:12And then the other is a way to
- 15:13abstain.
- 15:13Don't take credit for something that you did,
- 15:16even if it was really cool and was
- 15:17a really cool achievement.
- 15:19And as we engage this discipline of service
- 15:21over time, God can crucify our flesh.
- 15:24He can get the snootiness out of us
- 15:26and make us people who are more humble.
- 15:30The final thing that Jesus said in that
- 15:32passage was, for even the Son of Man
- 15:35came not to be served, but to serve
- 15:39and to give his life as a ransom
- 15:41for many.
- 15:42The real beauty of humility is that we
- 15:45become more like Jesus when we practice it.
- 15:48Jesus is the one who was never snooty
- 15:50towards anyone, who was never motivated by reputation,
- 15:54who was just willing to do whatever it
- 15:56took to love other people.
- 15:57He came to serve and he wants to
- 16:00give us hearts like his, so that we
- 16:02just serve with gladness and joy without looking
- 16:05for reward all the days of our lives.
- 16:09Lord Jesus, thank you that you are truly
- 16:12humble.
- 16:13Make us more like you.
- 16:14Show us how to collaborate with your Holy
- 16:16Spirit by serving in the right way, in
- 16:19the right spirit, even when we don't get
- 16:21any applause for it.
- 16:22Give us that courage for secrecy and hiddenness
- 16:26and really loving others.
- 16:28Jesus, do your work in us as we
- 16:30do our work with you.
- 16:31Amen.
- 16:36Thanks for listening.
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