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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 335 - JFK Files ....Better Late Than Never · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 4: Bye, Sam, Jay.
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  Speaker 1: Sellom show Kill Wee Special Wednesday Show. Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to the show. This is episode Unexpected,
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  Speaker 2: Episode number two hundred and thirty five. We hadn't planned
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  Speaker 2: on doing this, but there is a very good reason
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  Speaker 2: why we were doing this. I mean, we would have
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  Speaker 2: done a show. We were playing on doing a show anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But of course Wednesdays normally reserved for our members only,
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  Speaker 2: will have a live premiere at seven pm here on
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  Speaker 2: the channel just for you, something we've never uploaded for
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  Speaker 2: you guys before, and it'll be a nice little treat
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  Speaker 2: for everybody. But we'll be back live of course March
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight, well March twenty six, we'll do the Wednesday show
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll be live for the big show March
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighth Friday, but so tonight we had to kind
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  Speaker 2: of change what we were going to do because hey,
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  Speaker 2: well we got some documents, Joe, we did. We did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I told you early in the day.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, if we get any document uploads on
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  Speaker 1: Nara today yesterday, I would be uh pleasantly surprised. And
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  Speaker 1: we got two different batches, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of uh. I wasn't expecting the second one.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know we had a second one until
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  Speaker 2: yes until yesterday when I when I went onto the
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  Speaker 2: Nara website and I was like, wait a minute, two
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  Speaker 2: drops on seven thirty, ten thirty, Okay, So yeah, three
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  Speaker 2: hours after the first one drop, we got another one.
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  Speaker 1: You did not find out because you have on notifications
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  Speaker 1: of every tweet Luna does. That's how I found out.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I found out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, your boy is asleep by ten thirty, so whatever
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  Speaker 2: notifications came on this phone, I feel you I did
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  Speaker 2: not get until the next day because I'm old someday
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  Speaker 2: you'll get there. Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not far behind man.
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  Speaker 2: But by ten thirty on on a Monday night, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: your boys sleeping, he's cutting some cutting some logs. And uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm done ski fare enough.
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  Speaker 1: But let's say hi to a few people. I want
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  Speaker 1: to say hi to U z R. Striker, who I
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  Speaker 1: was messaging with on Reddit. I've been making a lot
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  Speaker 1: of posts on the reddit JFK forum and we've gotten
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of new subscribers from there, so I want
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  Speaker 1: to welcome everyone from Reddit in and uh uh, Zerr
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  Speaker 1: Striker is a Rangers fan, and he made he had
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  Speaker 1: the funniest analogy. He goes, uh, it's a worse relationship
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  Speaker 1: than Leam Marina's being a New York Rangers fan.
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  Speaker 2: And Rob.
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  Speaker 1: They're falling out of the playoff race here. It's rough
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  Speaker 1: times in Ranger Land.
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  Speaker 2: Not to imagine that. So imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what up Striker and everyone else from Reddit?
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  Speaker 1: And I know we have a bunch of the homies here,
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  Speaker 1: Tiny Dancer of course, Sally, good evening to you, Paul Cummings,
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  Speaker 1: Mister Jack Taylor, of course, Frankie, g Scott Edwards, Colleen,
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite Rocket Queen. How are you doing tonight? Gregory Stewart,
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  Speaker 1: who respects the jersey. I put that up earlier. I
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  Speaker 1: mets jersey. I'm going and I'm shifting my my emotional
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  Speaker 1: investment to baseball. It's string spring training, Row and Peach's
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  Speaker 1: Sister's Kitchen, who is our newest spook. She signed up
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  Speaker 1: earlier today and Rob. I think we have two more.
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  Speaker 1: In the past two days.
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  Speaker 2: We got Oglethorpe who joined as a covert operator. And
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  Speaker 2: of course we mentioned Tea Busy last time. Von Duke,
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  Speaker 2: Social Outcast and Tiny Dancer just re upped today. So
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  Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you guys so much for supporting the
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  Speaker 2: show and we're glad you dig it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Trey.
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  Speaker 1: If I haven't seen your name before, and I forgot
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  Speaker 1: does Paul O Jos and Fried Chicken? Now we did
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  Speaker 1: make a bet on Fried Chicken. Was it based around
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  Speaker 1: the documents?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And was what was the timeframe of the release?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember. I just think it
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  Speaker 2: was either all or nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I remember it. I'd have to go back or Trey
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  Speaker 1: can maybe remind us, since he is our local encyclopedia
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  Speaker 1: for the TLG NK, how many Israeli documents were unredacted.
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  Speaker 1: We will get to that, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, We're going to get there.
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  Speaker 1: Trust this, Yes, psv Odyssey, how are you? Paul Italian g.
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  Speaker 2: Had a rusty jersey. Who's on your jersey?
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  Speaker 1: So no, this is blank. Actually it's this was a
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  Speaker 1: giveaway and it says eighty six because the Mets won
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  Speaker 1: the championship in eighty six the World Series, and I
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  Speaker 1: was born in eighty six, so I went to this
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  Speaker 1: game and got this. Come on, it's kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: I got the number I was born on. You're the
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  Speaker 1: Mets won the World Series? So no, na, I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the back. It's a Duncan Donuts giveaway something, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a cool dream.
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  Speaker 2: It was young King. Yes, Colleen, Oh hey Colleen, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Woo woo yippie, thank you Colleen, you rock. We love you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your support. Like Katango, I
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  Speaker 2: never heard that one before either. Welcome in. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can listen later, you can listen now, you can
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  Speaker 2: listen whenever the hell you want.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you can.
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  Speaker 2: And there will be a lot of Luna simping in
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  Speaker 2: this episode as she is part of our cover She's
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  Speaker 2: one of our cover girls along with the d Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and not because of their politics really or for
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  Speaker 1: Luna's politics.
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  Speaker 2: What's in that top secret folder? By yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean this whole this whole thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: been really exciting, right. I'm sure you've gotten a ton
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  Speaker 1: of messages from of course, people we talked to on
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  Speaker 1: the rig, oh m Jesus, and people in your regular
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  Speaker 1: life that know you do a podcast that are now
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  Speaker 1: asking like, is who so? Who did it?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: Who did it? Right? Like, we're going to go through
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  Speaker 1: the two thousand something documents overnight, So there was one
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty three documents released at seven pm,
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  Speaker 1: and on ten thirty there was one thousand and fifty
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  Speaker 1: nine documents. And Rob something that really pisses me off
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  Speaker 1: is there's no keyword searching on the in our website right now.
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  Speaker 1: So if we, for example, were to type in market.
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  Speaker 2: Would make you feel better? Joe, Yeah, Paul just became
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  Speaker 2: a member.
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  Speaker 1: Well he's been a long time fan of the show.
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  Speaker 2: But thank you all. Yes, he's an og original gangster,
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  Speaker 2: Paul vines everybody, Thank you, Paul. And congratulations by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I heard you just got married, so congratulations to you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, Oh congratulations sir. Nice. Yeah, And and Ev
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  Speaker 1: popped in he goes I think AOC looks pretty good
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  Speaker 1: at times, and and that's what I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting at if EV was in charge of Cask Force
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  Speaker 1: one hottie, she would be on the cover this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter what's side of the aisle they
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  Speaker 1: land on. And of course you know Luna's Task Force
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have the classification authority. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other things going around, and so we got before we
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  Speaker 1: get into a couple of emails of documents people want
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  Speaker 1: emailed us. I want to talk about I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: read something real quick on what Jefferson Morley said on
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  Speaker 1: on X last night about his thoughts on what the
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  Speaker 1: documents saying.
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  Speaker 2: What's he saying? Now?
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  Speaker 1: What's he saying?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, something I clicking the wrong button here? Something
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  Speaker 1: I share his thoughts with. And this statement was made.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the statement of the Mary Farrell Foundation. So Morley's
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  Speaker 1: tweeting it. So this is from the Mary Farrer Foundation.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry from him, the vice president of the foundation.
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  Speaker 2: He makes it from me, Yes, he does, look from me,
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  Speaker 2: the vice president.
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  Speaker 1: You always correct me when I read the first sentence
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  Speaker 1: and like miss a word or two. So thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Context is everything, So it really is.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying thank you sarcastically. So the first
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  Speaker 1: The first JFK files release of twenty twenty five is
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  Speaker 1: an encouraging start. We now have complete versions of approximately
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  Speaker 1: a third of the redacted JFK documents held by the
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  Speaker 1: National Archives. Rampant over classification of trivial information has been eliminated,
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  Speaker 1: and there appear to be no redactions. Though we have
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  Speaker 1: not viewed every document, seven of ten JFK files held
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  Speaker 1: by the Archives and sought by JFK researchers are now
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  Speaker 1: in the public record. These long secret records shed new
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  Speaker 1: light on JFK's mistrust of the CIA cashro assassination plots,
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  Speaker 1: surveillance of OZ in Mexico City, and the CIA propaganda
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  Speaker 1: operations involving Lee Harvey Oswalt. This release does not include
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  Speaker 1: two thirds of the promised files, nor any of the
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  Speaker 1: five hundred plus IRS records, nor any of the two
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  Speaker 1: four hundred recently discovered FBI files. Nonetheless, this is most
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  Speaker 1: positive news on the declassification of JFK files since the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: well maybe since like twenty seventeen, I think might have
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  Speaker 1: been a better release, but encouraging start. Right we heard
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  Speaker 1: the executive order order order in January, Right, I think
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  Speaker 1: twenty third or something, and I think we speculated that
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  Speaker 1: it would take at least a few months for some
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  Speaker 1: files to get uploaded, so we got them in maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little less than two months. And of course we're
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  Speaker 1: not I'm not like satisfied. I know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are kind of taking their victory lap and being like,
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  Speaker 1: we released the files, and a bunch of influencers, specifically
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  Speaker 1: on the right wing are saying promises may, promises kept.
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  Speaker 1: But we have a lot more work to do, guys.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what I think, at least what my
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  Speaker 1: stance is going to be is put more, keep applying
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  Speaker 1: the pressure. And there's a bunch of good people in
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  Speaker 1: the community, for Matt Crumpton, who was on our guest
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  Speaker 1: show last week, who made a couple national TV appearances yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to Jefferson Morley, to a couple other dozen people,
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  Speaker 1: Alan Dale, who we had on a month or two ago. Right,
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  Speaker 1: everyone is kind of working their angle. We have to
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  Speaker 1: keep the pressure on. There are so much more documents
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  Speaker 1: we know a fraction are digitized, right, a fraction. You
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  Speaker 1: have to get those twenty four hundred recently discovered FBI
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  Speaker 1: files and the archives are up on our website. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more to do, so great, step positive, but
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  Speaker 1: we can't, you know, just be satisfied with us.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to say, folks, is, keep your foot
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  Speaker 2: on the gas pedal, don't let up. Keep plying them
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  Speaker 2: and plying them and plying them to release everything. Because look, I,
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  Speaker 2: like the rest of you, was very excited to see
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  Speaker 2: this stuff come out. And then I probably have been
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  Speaker 2: through two hundred of the two thousand semidd documents. And
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  Speaker 2: while that may seem like not very many, it's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Eyes will tell you it is a lot. It is
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  Speaker 2: a lot. I didn't get much work done at work today,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully my bosses are not listening to the show tonight,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean they got to understand, you know, sorry Bob,
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  Speaker 2: but uh, I'll do better tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: If there was a crash in the warehouse, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: your fault.
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  Speaker 2: You weren't That's right, That's right. I had other things
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  Speaker 2: to do. I've been waiting a long time for this,
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  Speaker 2: But it takes a long time to get some through
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  Speaker 2: some of these documents, because you know, while the document
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  Speaker 2: itself may be a single entity, I came across documents
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  Speaker 2: with hundreds of pages hundreds there's like a Lopez report
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  Speaker 2: in there that's like, god, three or four hundred pages long, unredacted.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, good lord, Now, I will say this,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff and I didn't find any
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  Speaker 2: smoking gun documents per se. You know, was there some
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  Speaker 2: interesting things? Yeah, but most of the stuff has been
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  Speaker 2: released before, only with just some stuff redacted. Right, So
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  Speaker 2: it's not like you know, some holy shit moment now
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  Speaker 2: there is there is some stuff in there that hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been released before, and we'll we'll get to some of it,
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  Speaker 2: because some people are starting to point fingers and thinking
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  Speaker 2: that they found the smoking guns and this, that and
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  Speaker 2: the other. But we'll we'll get there, I promise. But
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, and I've seen what you were talking about, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: where you see some of how these jobs I call
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  Speaker 2: them Johnny come lately, Right, These are not JFK researchers.
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  Speaker 2: These are conspiracy sucubusses, if that's what you want to
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  Speaker 2: call them. You know who who are social media influencers
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram, TikTok, whatever the case may be. If it's
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  Speaker 2: a conspiracy, you know, they'll they'll make a short about
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  Speaker 2: it and then you know whatever whatever, and they like
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  Speaker 2: to point things out and it's just like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you point something out here, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: realize the context of what it is. You know, you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about You're talking about something that is.
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  Speaker 1: Referring.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a document from like the seventies, from the
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  Speaker 2: HSCA era, but it pertains to Lee Harvey Oswall, right,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not from nineteen sixty three, Okay, it's from
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  Speaker 2: it's from later, you know, a couple of years later,
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  Speaker 2: from the CIA, you know, internal investigations, internal memos, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the case may be. And yeah, and do they follow
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  Speaker 2: up on things? Do they ask questions? Do they do
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  Speaker 2: the CIA investigate certain allegations? They sure do, you know
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  Speaker 2: you can tell that from the documents and some things
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  Speaker 2: that can get misappropriated. And it may sound like I'm
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  Speaker 2: papooning here, but I'm not. I'm just you know, you
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  Speaker 2: got to be very careful because of what you put
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  Speaker 2: out there, because if you don't understand what you're reading
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  Speaker 2: and the context in which it is, then it can
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  Speaker 2: come across as like, oh, this is fantabulous new information, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, But what in reality what they're discussing is
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  Speaker 2: is some random lead that somebody told somebody else and
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  Speaker 2: they're they're investigating it, and somebody takes it as a
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  Speaker 2: literal thing.
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  Speaker 1: Ye had to be put in a document.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in a document. It's you know, but it's
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  Speaker 2: basically just them and you know, going through their proper
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  Speaker 2: due diligence to investigate the claim or whatever, or just
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: say hey, you know, so and so said this, does
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  Speaker 2: this sound right? Or you know, just just f why
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  Speaker 2: that da da da da da, And it can be
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  Speaker 2: misconstrued as a smoking gun document when it really isn't. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so oh welcome Mike glad you hear, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, hey, Mike glad you were able to catch us
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  Speaker 1: dealing with some couple of health issues. So if you pray,
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  Speaker 1: if that's your thing, prayers up to Mike. I know
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  Speaker 1: my prayers are with him.
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  Speaker 2: And yes as well. But have a salute. Ali. So Joe,
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  Speaker 2: let me get into a couple because we ask people
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  Speaker 2: to email us or get at us. Yeah, if you've
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  Speaker 2: found some good documents out there.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, before you start, I wanted to give one example
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  Speaker 1: of what we're talking about with the reactions. So on
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  Speaker 1: the left is uh previously redacted CIA document and if
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  Speaker 1: you see on the leftist as three right as the
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  Speaker 1: narrow record number of the RIFF number on the right
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  Speaker 1: here I released yesterday is his actual name, right.
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  Speaker 2: So who the hell is that? Nobody knows, nobody cares.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea, so act.
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  Speaker 2: As dumb shit. Well there's you know, maybe this person
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  Speaker 2: is still alive. And why a lot of and look
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  Speaker 2: going through these documents, folks, there's a lot of them
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  Speaker 2: that I just shake my head and like, why is
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  Speaker 2: the hell is this a CIA? Bro? Why is this
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  Speaker 2: a JFK record? You know, why is this a JFK?
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  Speaker 2: It has nothing at all to do with the assassination.
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  Speaker 1: Late fifties you're talking about, you know, South America, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think some Australia. I mean I think
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  Speaker 1: the Australia one was legit. But there are a ton
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  Speaker 1: I had to say, Rob, I probably clicked on one
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: hundred or two of them, probably, like you, ninety percent
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: of them had nothing to do with the JFK.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, actually, nothing invent swa blah blah blah. This
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: means nothing.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So is that before I get I have one more
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: slide before I is that an attempt to muddy the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: waters in a sense, because if you put all the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: relevant documents instead of you know, the two thousands something
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: that were released, if you actually have relevant JFK documents
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and it was one hundred or two hundred.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Well again, if you if you compare it to what
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: has been released to this point, there's there's still a
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: lot of that ship in all the releases. Yes, I
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: blame the A, R R B. Okay, they're the ones
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that classified certain files as being JFK.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Related or national security.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Again, this is this is what happens when you have
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: people who don't know shit about the assassination really, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: on some kind of a board or task force or
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: task to do a job. They don't They just don't understand.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And I guess, I guess it's better to lump some
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: shit in if you don't know, then to leave suff
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: out and possibly yeah miss something.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good point, but it makes it extremely
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: difficult and frustrating on people like our park. But but Rob,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because I was just so frustrated,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: was like, what does this have to do with the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: JFK assassination. All last night I woke from the middle
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of the night to go back to sleep for a
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: couple hours. This is another one, Rob, I think this
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: is the same document. On the left is the redacted version, right,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and on the right it was the previously unredacted version
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of says twenty seven Comma three, and then on the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: left it's d coos and boom o.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know Burma. Yeah, nobody gives us about Burma
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: or Thailand.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And Thailand which is now unredacted. And of course yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: both Burma and Thailand were previously redacted. But Rob, there's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: still sixty eight to seventy seventy seventy one seventy two,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: so there's still redactions.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean these are what I would call
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: covert reactions. There are redactions that you might not realize
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that are redactions. Yes, other than just a black marker,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Until you see the white out side, right, and you
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: could tell. I would never have known twenty seven oh
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: three was a redaction.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Well, the brackets give it away that it's a redaction,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: right when you see brackets. Whatever's in those brackets is
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a reaction.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: But again a lot of these documents.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Are narcotics and operations.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And nothing to do with Kennedy is as.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Dangerous drugs is what this says. Uh, yeah, it's And
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: part of later in the document talks about something in
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: regards to Ray Rocca and Lee Harvey Oswalt's to a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: one file, which I guess is why it's all in there,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but it's a bitch to go through. And last example
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: here on the left is the redacted version. You can
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: see on the bottom left, the redactive version had the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: person who signed this document at Western Hemisphere Security redacted,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and on the right you could see it as Michael Stratton,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: who again I have no idea who it is.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So and this is somebody gives a shit.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And this is a March nineteen sixty one document talking
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: about the fair Play for Cuba committee And ironically some
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: guy and this asset, the CIA agent was like, he
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: has no idea who I am, and I could give
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: him pamphlets and he's trying to get to Cuba. It's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: kind of it reminds you of another person that we study.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So it's very interesting. But it has been around for
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a while. So those are a majority of the redactions,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna take a little while for people like
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: us and other smart people's people may be smarter than
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: us in the community to go through it and kind
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of see what is actually in there, because in twenty
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: four hours or less.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody can go through all two thousand documents in
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: a night or two. Nobody. I don't care. I mean,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: even if you got all day to mess with it,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: trust me, your eyes are gonna get tired.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And well, so the documents are something from like you said,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: four hundred pages, and they're multiple ones of hundreds of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: hundreds of pages.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Right now, I figured out a good tactic if you will,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to get through multiples. So yeah, so for instance, if
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you if you start and you see that if you
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: open a document and it's something about you know, some
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: random Russian person that you've never heard of before, right,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: so you said something at some point, and then the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: next document is directly sequential to the first document, like
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it's probably going to pertain into the same
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: kind of thing or be close to it. It's when
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the numbers jump. So when you see these sequential numbers,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: you figure all those documents pertain to the first one
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: that you open, and then when you see it jump
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to a different sequence of numbers. Then it's a different topic,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: if you will.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Rob, because I've been just
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: clicking on random pages out of the two hundred nineteen
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever there are, and you know you'd get for example,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I clicked on a page and I got a bunch
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of James McCord documents right from yeah uh, and they
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: were all consistent, you know, following each other. And then
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: there was that jump, right, and and riff numbers, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you could tell the subject changed.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Right. If you see potentially sequential riff numbers, you know
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that they're probably all pertained to the same thing. When
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: when that jump happens, it's probably something different, something new.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And Joe I was going through I think it was Monday,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Monday evening, and I came across a Daniel Carswell file
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: ooh that I've never that I hadn't seen before. It
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: was basically, uh c I a report, you know, an
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: internal memory or report. But it was basically telling the
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: story of how these three guys what you know, what
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the what their pseudonyms were, what the cover stories were,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: how backstopped they were, how believable their covers were. You know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: they were going through all the levels like if they
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: if they check into it. Were they living here, Yes,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: they're on a rental agreement at some point, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: You know, the whole nine They had credit reports, you know.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and rob they actually created fake answering machines
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: for the aliases of the three CIA agents that were
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: caught in a prison in Cuba. And of course for
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the backstory, I know we've talked about this. I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it was on members only. Rob CIA had to go
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: in almost a three year operation to conceal these guys identities,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and so they set up fake answering ser services or machines,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like companies like everything to make sure that Castro G
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: two didn't know who they had, which was the head
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of the Technical Services Division, David Christ whose alias was
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Daniel Carswell, who had knowledge of almost all audio operations
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: within the CIA, and a Cuban person not in my situation.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So anyway, this document was like thirty pages long, you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and it told the whole story from beginning to end,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: how they got in, what they were, what they were
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: doing when they were there, what they started doing, what
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: they had stopped doing, how they got caught, the whole
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: nine yards until they finally got him back, so it
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was pretty cool.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, signed out to me later Liz ed to.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Do what's up ed, and there you go. He went
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: through the last thirteen docs yesterday, only one hundred more
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to go. There you go.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I started at the end because you know, I started.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: At the end of the second batch and probably made
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: it through like one hundred. And I started the beginning
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of the first batch and made it through like one hundred.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: But there's still so much to go through.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: You know, Ivant.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna have to be like one of
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: these things where you know, we're all looking at different
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: ship at the different times, and who's going to be
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the lucky person to pull the ship out of there?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: You know, that's supposedly you know, got everybody up in arms.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So who's who's gonna pull the gold wrapper from the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the Willy Wonka chocolate bar?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: All right, So let's go to a couple of emails here, Joe.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: First up, let me share my screen. Here. Where are
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: we at? Okay? First up, we got an email from
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: uncle Dave out in Santiago. Right, yeah, and let's see
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: what we got here. Sure, this is the personal history
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: statement of Emilio Rodriguez oh oh, this is our next day,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Rodriguez's brother. This is basically, uh like a CI A
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: what do you call it? Application? Right? I mean he's
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: got to put every bit of information personal information on
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: this thing. Some interesting points though. All right, So he's
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: in Florida, he was born in Cuba. He wants to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: be a contract agent.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Rob. I can't see the document. I just see your
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: emails attachment with the document from dating.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Sorry, here we go, Oh, thank you. Yeah. So he
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: wants to be a contract agent and the lowest annual
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: entrance salary you will accept. So the lowest he's going
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to accept is ninety six hundred dollars a year. Anything
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: less than that and you can go fuck yourself CIA
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: pretty much. Right. But again, this is a sixteen page
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: document that is basically an application for the CIA.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Do you do you have a date on that, Rob,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: because I know a lot of these documents have been
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: missing cover pages, which.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Is August thirty, first sixty one.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you, yes, and Emilio Rodriguez for for
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: people that don't know, was the kind of legendary CAA
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: agent that dropped dead in a Washington, DC airport and
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when the CIA asset doctor was going through his notebook,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: his address book, recognize the names of the who's who
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: of the CIA, and then called them, say, I think
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: we have one of your guys here, brother of Vernesto,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: who was the first contact of Lee Harvey Oshalt in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: New Orleans in early August sixty three.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Sorry, yes, thank you, Joe, So we again. You know
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: he's got This guy has a bachelor's degree in biology
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and chemistry from Tulane University. We majored in Spanish, Portuguese, Spanish, French.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: He was in He went to Tulane for nine years.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: He got his master's in Spanish minor in Portuguese, so
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: he went he was there in Tulane for nine years.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So this guy was a smart dude, right, very smart,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and he was basically good at speaking Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and Rob his brother was running the Bertoletz
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: language school in New Orleans, which of course was where
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Oswaltz approached him. So that's very interesting that both his
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like double majors were both in different languages, including his
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: his Spanish, his original you know, his home tone.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously he would be good at that job.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but getting the masters in it is is interesting.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like me mastering English probably wouldn't
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: be too hard.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'd have some trouble doing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: That because I am a cleaning linguist. Yes, you would
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: have trouble unless they had me saying liberty lobby, lobby,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: then I'm in trouble. Okay. So again, he's good at
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: fishing and hunting, swimming, underwater, resistance, photography, black and white, musical.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: He plays several instruments by ear, flying, bowling, chess, average
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and all the above. So you know, he's very adept
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: at a lot of different things. He got his pilot
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: license right there, student pilot certificate, so dude can fly
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a plane. He was a five sigma Iota National Honor
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Society of Romance Languages, excuse me. So yeah, he was
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a very smart guy and got the job with the CIA.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: But again it's a very long application process. Yeah, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: this is just to give you an idea of all
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the kind of crazy shit you got to do for them.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: These are references neighbors and acquaintances you have to put down.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And these are of course I'm all over in New Orleans, Florida, Maryland.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You know, somebody in the NSA in Washington, d C.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: He knows somebody at the US in whatever that is,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the Navy, probably intelligence unknown. So yeah, I mean he's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: he's got friends in high places and people that are
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: willing to, uh you know, vouch for this guy.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: So very interesting stuff there. Now let's go back.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: To Thank you, Uncle Dave.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Uncle Dave. Are you what are you
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: seeing now, Joe?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: You're and mine beautiful face?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well hold on a second, let me go
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: back to restream. Let me reshare this hit? Okay, all
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: right now, Dave sent me four emails. This is number
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: two Berlitz Language School, NOLA, oh, which we were just
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: talking about, Joe. Yes, this is a one page document.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, I see it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: What is the date, Oh, March of sixty one, March ninth, Okay,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: two JM wave from JM Bell, JM Bell, whatever that is.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm gonna look that up on the Krypton
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: page right now.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Good luck, Okay. So basically, this is a message to
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: request cupsoda rep asap contact mister from to Rodriguez Gonzalez
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Instructor Burlett School, Charles Avenue. Uh something really a message
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: from son Emilio do not return to Cuba. Explanation will
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: follow in letter telephonic contact sufficient for your information. Son
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: recently arrested and released authority seeking father. So again this
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: is you know, some classified stuff here. So let's go back.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Get rid of that one. Get rid of that one, okay.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And like I said, you know these aren't all bangers.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: There is no smoking gun documents out there people. Okay.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: So we got another one here. You sure.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: This page?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Okay? This is a memorandum for the record from March
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: of sixty seven possible dri animist towards President Kennedy. So
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in the spring of sixty one, upon returning from Berlin,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I was assigned to j M WAVE. One of the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: cases on which I worked from there shortly before my
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: reassignment to headquarters in the late summer of sixty three,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: concerned funding of overseas elements of the DRE, which had
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: its main office in Miami. The case officer for this
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: group during this period was a mister Ross Crozier, since resigned.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I believe it is this group the DRE, which has
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: been referred to in investigations and the president assassination as
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the Cuban student directorate, who's New Orleans representative of city
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: of contacts without Oswald. Now, this is something that can
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: be misconstrued by people that don't know what's going on.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: That sentence that I just read to you can be
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: taken way out of context. Did they have contact with Oswald? Yes,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: it was the street fracas, the fight Oswald going in
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to bring a store, YadA, YadA, YadA. It wasn't like
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: some secret clandestine meeting between the DR and Oswald where
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: you know, they conspired to kill President Kennedy or anything
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: like that. Right, So, recent news reports of investigations centering
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans on the assassination that once again brought
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to mind the concern I felt in November sixty three,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: by which time, however, I was far removed from current
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: knowledge of the organization. Page two. I do retain a
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: distinct recollection that the DRI leadership, especially Luis Fernandez Roca,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: whom I met several times, did hold sentiments of chagrin
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: and embitterment to Kennedy had not more forcefully pursued a
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: liberation of Cuba. Whether or not this animus, which could
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: be discerned as occasional signs of anger or of contempt
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: or of discouragement might have been translated into a wish
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: for revenge. May be better known to other officers who
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: dealt with this group after the summer of nineteen sixty three.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Calvin Thomas, whoever that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Is, I've never heard of him.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because not George Joe and Edes. Folks, not George,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Joe and Edes. Yeah, but we'll get there. Yeah, just
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: hang tight with me one second, because that's what this
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: next document.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you, John just want to read a super chat
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: rob Hello, Loose Moose crew. Great point about the Johnny
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: com lately content creators who are just looking to monetize
• 42:56
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• 42:59
  Speaker 1: seen the Driver, I've seen George Bush and Dealey Plaza.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: It's NonStop.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: But I will say it's a good time to be
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: a JFK podcast. Our subscribers went up like twenty overnight. Yeah,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: thank you guys. Yeah.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, and if you're new here, we're not going
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to spread bullshit. We don't know that's true. We're document
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: based guys, and.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: We're comfortably comfortably over two thousand now. I would say, Joe,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: we were teetering. I was wondering whether or not I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: should put that post out thanking everybody for two thousand subscribers,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: because when you're two thousand and one or two thousand
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and two, that one or two subscriptions can go away
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: real fast, and then you're back down and below the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: threshold again. So now we're comfortably there, So thank you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: for the two thousand subs. All right, So let's go
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to this last one from Uncle Dave, and it has
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: to do with George Joe Needes. Now, this document, I've
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: seen it before, it's been out there. Well, actually, I
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: take that back. I've seen previous annual fitness reports on
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: George jo Needes. Okay, from like the nineteen sixty three era.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: This one is from a period of from mid June
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: seventy eight through January of seventy nine, and this is
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: when he was basically, you know, in charge of what
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: documents the CIA gave the HSCA when it came to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: these Cuban exile groups. Right, they caught him out of retirement, right,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: dudes a GS sixteen, which is very high up. Yeah, right,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: he's making a lot of money, folks. So this is
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: an eleven page document. So let's see how fit George
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Joe Needes was in regards. It says here he was
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: responsible for a new procedure in recording of exchanges with
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the HSCA as it developed. The agency's logs and records
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: on the status of requests by HSCA and the agency's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: responses became the only reliable record. It was clear that
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the HSCA often did not know the status of business
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: in this respect, and time and time again had come
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to this office for clarification. Beyond that early contribution to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the ordering of the affairs of the office, mister Joe
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Needes handled day to day follow ups of requirements by
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: telephone with the DdO focal point as well as throughout
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the DdO. Further, the firm position that he took with
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: a young investigators in response to aggressive harassment on some
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: occasions was exactly what the situation called for. A person
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: of his maturity and experience handled the job exactly as
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: required by the situation. If the peculiar nature of the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: work did not call on mister Joe and Edes for
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: all the talents of his wide experience, it nonetheless was
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: his experience and quick perceptions that ensured a superior performance. Now,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: if that doesn't sound. And right before that, at the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: end of the first or the second paragraph, while there's
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: no way to outline the qualifications that one should have
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: for this sort of work, it became quickly clear that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: mister Joe and Needes was the perfect man for it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That's great, that's a great line.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is from Scott Breckinridge, who was basically
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the c I, a liaison for the HCA, who's given
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: all these glowing reviews years of mister Joe and Needes, right,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: not because of the demands on his superior talents, but
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: because of the coolest fice efficacy with which he handled
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: an unusual special assignment. Mister Joe Needy's work is evaluated
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: as outstanding, sir, because he didn't give him shit. So
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you can kind of see how this fitness report from
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: the late seventies from retired At this point, George, Joe
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and Needes is gonna go, folks. He is let's see
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: all night ninety nine, ninety nine, ninety four, ninety four.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Well read that serves as senior case officer for a
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: student project, which I think they're talking about dre or
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: no not at that point.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Well, this is this is a fitness report from April.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: This is the one I was talking about seeing before
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: April of sixty three, in March of sixty through April
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: sixty three to March of sixty four.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they are talking about the dray that student project,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and they're really subtle with their words. If you're following along.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Here now, you can see the brackets in the first
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: one there of what was redacted, so right side, no,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: right right in the mid was the supervisors and manages,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the station's covert action breach or brand which with employee,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: which employees ten which was formerly redacted, ten staff officers
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and seven contract employees.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Right, so they're redacting the the amount of this staff
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Contract employees are just like we saw Emilio or Emilio Rodriguez. Sorry, uh,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: people like that, people like Carlos Brigne, people like uh
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: you know whoever? Right, Contract employees not like official. Well,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I guess you could call him official.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe assets or sources of information or maybe a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: step above that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, I'd say, I mean there is it's official.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, you saw Emilio. He's he wanted to be
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: a contract agent. He filled out the application, he was
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: a CIA employee, so.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Right, but he was later a full blown agent, so
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: he grew from that role, right.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he worked his way up the latter. But
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: uh so this part, of course, we've seen before. I'm
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: just looking for brackets to see if any form. Well,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: there there's a now there there are some more reactions
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: that are blacked out, which ain't cool. CIA. You see
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: him right there. Yeah, just checking for anything else. There's
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: another redaction. Oh no, that was a mistake he wrote.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: He must have wrote his name wrong.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: So here's from January sixty three to July sixty three,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and the redacted in brackets down here. He was in
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: charge of political action and psy ops warfare activity and
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: supervising fourteen case officers and clerical personnel case officer for
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: student project involving political action, propaganda, intelligence collection, and the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Hemisphere wide apparatus. Right yeah, I'm just looking for redactions
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: and brackets.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: It looks like strong was redacted there.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Well, no, that's that's the rating. That's the S. That's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: ninety nine. Oh so when you see like right here
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: on the right, like O was outstanding, okay, as the
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: ninety four rating, and S is strong, which is the
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: ninety nine rating. Oh that's just still good.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, thank you.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's see.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I just love how they say student project.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah chief official title of reviewing Official Andrew Reightman, chief
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: of Station jam Way. So you know he's definitely in
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the ship, you know, and I see why Jefferson Morley
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: wants this guy's records badly. Right, well, we get him
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: in this fire release. I don't know that. I know
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: we won't because they're not considered JFK related uh documents,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that's his bitch. Great, So unfortunately they won't be uh,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: they won't be that. But thank you Uncle Dave for
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: sending some stuff over. Uh, I know Jack had send
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: us some stuff and messenger.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you mister Greg Stewart for your for
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: fight dollars super shot. We appreciate it, of course.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Uh the Wolfman, thanks you, sir.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I think I think Colleen changed her name to Rocket
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Queen Colleen. She did. That's pretty look, that's pretty awesome.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Do you know the backstory behind that that song Joe.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I watching?
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the song Rocket Queen by Guns
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: n' Roses?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it rings a bell if you were to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: play for me, I would one hundred percent. Now I
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: can't like bring the lyrics to my head.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there's a a great part in the middle
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: of the song where you can hear like a woman,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: you know, making pleasurable noises if you will. Okay, And actually, uh,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: it was Axel Rose who was the least singer. He
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: had recorded him banging the drummer Steven Adler's girlfriend, and
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: he put that in post production without the drummer knowing
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: until after he heard it, and then he still didn't
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: get that it was his girlfriend.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: What.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy story. Wow.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea about that, no idea about that.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I dive into that later.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Remember this big backstory there. But it's a great song. Wow.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, if you Twitter has been ridiculous. There's so
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: much everyone that had a JFK related post in the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: last twenty four hours has reposted it just to get
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: clicks of views. It's extremely frustrating and to try to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: you know, So.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I watch you walk us through some of these highlights, Joe,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: if you will from these document releases, so we can
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: talk about let's talk about I will, I will.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll get into it now. Just give me
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: one second. There's so much bullshit. I have so many
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: things bookmarked, it's crazy. Did you hear about Oh man,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: this is so ridiculous. Did you hear about the Joe
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Biden JFK Junior document?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Ro Yes, Oh man, Joe, let's talk about it.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is something that has a five point
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: four million views impressions on.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: X, something we'll never get in the entirety of doing
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: this show. Yeah, and I'm talking like, if it goes
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: for another twenty years, we'll never have five million views
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: on anything combined. But here we go.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, you know, it's you know. I don't
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: know where this It says the United States Department of Justice.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: And apparently this document has been around for a few
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: years as well. And this is not anything new, but
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: it says something of Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware, accompanying
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: handwritten printed letter dated nine six ninety four, beginning, Dear
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Senator Biden, you are a trader and bearing the signature
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy Junior. So this is a leg something JFK.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Junior said about Joe Biden in the nineties. Here, but
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: one of the great things, in my opinion about access
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the community notes. They're actually really good about that, Like
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: they really If like a tweeted bullshit and it has
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of views, they're gonna put a community note
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: on it. This was previously released in Tweeted five years
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: ago was part of a Foyer request for documents that
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: mentioned JFK jor These are not jfk assassination files that
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the original poster leads. The post with this letter was
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: an anominous threat from someone who signed the letter JFK jor.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: So.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And this is only one post here, but that's five
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: point four million views, and you can guarantee a bunch
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: of people retweeted this shit and I saw a couple
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of them, and you probably have and didn't read.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: The community note.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, over ten million impressions here and people thinking that
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: jam is a community note.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Joe, there's a link. Yeah, that's supports.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Let's look at it. Can you see it? Can you
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: see it?
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I can see the link. I can't see where you
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: took us.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it loaded for me.
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna read for sure it and
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: we're gonna check on this link.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Oh Ice Queen Colleen from Fortroleen Well that's that's that's
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: not as cool of a nickname as Rocket Queen. For sure.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I much prefer Rocket Queen than Ice Queen.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has a better ring to it, right, Yes,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: so fact checked. FBI file does not suggest nineteen ninety
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: four threat letter to Joe Biden was written my jfk Jor.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Do Records in an FBI file indicate that John F.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior wrote a letter to wrote a letter in
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four to then Senator Joe Biden, calling him
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: a trader and also saying you must die. No, that's
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: not true. The FBI did investigate a threat letter sent
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: from Rooster Wooster. It's called not Worcester. I think if
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: someone's from Massachusetts they'll correct me. Desire to Biden and
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: DC on August twenty sixth, ninety four was signed jfk Jor,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: but the FBI file does not indicate that Kennedy was
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: suspected of dealing with of being the letter writer. So essentially,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you know this thing and this is just an example
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: of the kind of bullshit that has been going on
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: social media these days. And I'm mostly on X but
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's made its rounds in all of them
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: in some form, And yeah, I know the QAnon people
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: are probably going nuts over that. Huh. Of course JFK Jr.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Is coming back. That's yes. So all right, let's get
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: into some Twitter drama, Rob.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: And love some good Twitter drama.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it won't surprise you that all of a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: good part of social media is convinced without a doubt. Really,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: wash your sister Worcester, Worcester, wash your sister sauce.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean maybe Joe Biden did that too, We
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we have seventy people in here in the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: live chat right now, so with state. At least one
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: of them is from Massachusett. So thank you Astray coming.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Get edumacated, Yes, I have a problem
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: with pronunciation.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, stick around long enough and you shall see.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, So I won't surprise you, Rob to see that.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: There is a narrative floating around social media relating to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the newest document release and some reactions of Jim engle
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Tin's relationship with the Israeli intelligence services of being Israel
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: is behind.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: It all, Bra, They're behind everything. They're behind Epstein, behind
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: the jfk assassination. It all comes back to the Israelis
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 8: or the Jews.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And this kind of thing has been kind of pissing
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: me off because it's a lot of things taken out
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of context. And I'm not saying because I don't know.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, we all know James Jesus Angleton was a
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: friend to Israel. His freaking statue is there. Okay, they
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: put up a statue of this guy, right mm hmm
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: in Israel. I mean, I don't know if he was
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: probably Jewish, I don't know.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I don't know.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I'll look while you Uh.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: He might be a white Anglio Saxon protest A wasp,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: that would be my guest, but you never know.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: You will see.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Angleton was taken a school by a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: bunch of different counterintelligence people and just go to John
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Newman's work to listen to that. But I'm going to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: share a couple threads that.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Have he was born in Idaho, so, uh, what's that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: make him a Mormon? Hell? Who knows his name was Jesus?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I'm probably probably a Protestant as my guest, but I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly. Chat fact check on this.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Almost his mom was born in Mexico, so he was
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: half whitey half Mexican.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Born in Mexico, or was Mexican.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: His mother was Mexican. That I did not know that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: she was already a naturalized citizen before she married James H.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Angleton in December of nineteen sixteen. He was He worked
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: for the NCR franchise in Italy, that which is the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: National Cash Registered Corporation NRC. He spent his boy good
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: in Milan, Italy, Italy. He briefly studied law at Harvard.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: He went to yeah, I think.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: It was in the oss UH in World War two
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: in Italy.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: He attended Yale as well, also Malvern College in England.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: World War two, he's in the os S and led
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: its Italian branch. So he would have had good, good
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: relations overseas with.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Folks, Yeah, for sure, and that's probably why he was,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of intelligent chief of calor intelligent intelligence.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: You know, he had contacts at Rome, he had contacts
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: in Britain, and of course he got kind of fooled
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: by that Russian double agent. It wasn't badly what was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: his name, the one that pieced out Angleton and went
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: to Russia. Defected there. I'm blanking on the name. But Angleton,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: when you really study him, kind of got duped a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: few times in many different aspects. And of course it
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: was an alcoholic and very paranoid man and eventually fired.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I think it was after the Church committee, after I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: think ht lingual rob the mail opening program. I think
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: that's what was got him, And I know you have
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: something on that later.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: So here here's what I found on Angleton and the statue.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And it's in Jerusalem, Okay. The monument is a little
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: more than a pile of rocks cemented together four feet high,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: surrounded by a jumble of boulders, a low stand of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: dried out dandelions, empty candy appress, broken bottles, and pistains.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: But despite his neglect, didn't even abandoned the appearance. It
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: commemorates a man who was responsible, as just about anyone,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: for what has become the close, nearly symbiotic relationship between
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: the United States and Israel. The shiny black plastic plaque
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: screwed to the stone doesn't even hint at the monument's significance.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: The inscription is in Hebrew and English, and that reads
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: simply in memory of a dear friend James j. Angleton
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen nineteen eighty seven.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Is the statue there and it was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Kim Philby. I was referencing, thank you Betty Boo.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Kim Philby.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, the I think it was British sas or that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: defective to Russia that was like best friends with Angleton
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and kind of played him the whole time and he
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: was completely caught off guard by his defection. And you
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: know they were confidants. So thank you Betty Boo, baby
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: boom yep, okay yep. And tiny dancers said as well,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Kim Philby, the m I six agent who was one
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: of the Cambridge five. Yes, this is why we love
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: our chat rob because when we blank on a name,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: they fucking come through. Right. Oh yeah, so I have
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: some of the Israel drama when when you're.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Done, Okay, I almost have the picture. Now, okay, let
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: me see if I can upload. Okay, here we go,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Here we go, folks. Here it is. This is a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: picture of the James Jesus Angleton Memorial in Jerusalem.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: It's a rock on the bottom. Right.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That is it.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: He couldn't be that much of a friend. Shit.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't say who put it there. Nothing, It's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: just some kind of mysterious thing, you know. But yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Photo credit to Jeff Morley on that one. Yes, yes, cool.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I said, say yes, I met m I six.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you for correcting me.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Course, the state of Israel wasn't created into nineteen forty seven.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: The CIA was got his charter in nineteen forty seven.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it might have been forty eight with Israel.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: But but that brings me and I wasn't going to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: bring this up right now, but okay, So if you're
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: of the opinion that Israel was behind everything, this is
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: fifteen years right, forty seven, forty eight to sixty three
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: after they were a country, right, right, you want news, okay,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And I get that that's a motive, right, And you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: could put them in the list of motives. And I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: think I know Matt Crumpton said he's going to do
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: an Israel episode or something, But that's an extremely risky
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: operation for a new country to kill the president of
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: the United States, because guess what happens if your operation
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: is blown? Bye bye Israel, you know what I mean it?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: And you could have some you know, some rogue element,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: of course, I guess in theory, but it it doesn't
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: line up for me really, And that's what I'm kind
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: of going to get into here. And what comes up
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: on all these on all these Twitter threads, and this
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: one has ten million impressions, Rob.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, ten million.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Ten million. Yeah, And this is the part in red
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: is what I believe was previously redacted. Right, So this
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: is a document from nineteenth or January thirteenth, nineteen sixty.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Seven, so.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: You know, four plus years after the assassination, and they're.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Talking about the FBI document. But does information received from
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: James Angleton. Yes, okay.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty three, we created a separate control file
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: under the caption CIA James Angleton, for the purpose of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: retaining copies of certain types of memoranda disseminated to us
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: by James Angleton, Chief Counterintelligence Staff CIA. We believe it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: is no longer necessary to maintain this control file in
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the way in the way of background. The control file
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: was created to give us the opportunity of closely monitored
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: monitoring our liaison with Angleton on a variety they're talking
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: about FBI and the CIA, right, Yeah, on a variety
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: of matters which were no, which were no, not reported sorry,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: through normal CIA channels. Guess what if your counterintelligence chief
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: not much is going through normal CIA channels Like Oswald's file.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: CI directors permitted Angleton to pursue intelligence products and the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: red thing is blocking it, many of them within the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Israeli Intelligence Service. He was given authority to handle these
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and report only to the Director CA. So it's compro
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: mentalized information. But guess what every intelligence agency.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Talks to other intelligence agencies. Yes, yes, soccer.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they circle another thing that was previously redacted.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: The Israeli intelligence services send money to right and.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: This is document sixty five, but they're talking about nineteen
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: fifty four and they're talking at the end of the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: document of travel of us citsdants to Russia via Israel.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: So they might have been doing kind of like a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: false defector thing or getting some people in via Israel
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: to Russia. And then there's a couple more redacted things.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to read all this Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: and this is the big one that's been going around
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: and Israeli intelligence matters have been directed to James Angleton
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: and this is nineteen fifty four, rob So March fifty four,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: almost a decade before JFK was killed.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: So, I mean the relevance of this is, I'm sorry
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: to say, just not very much. And the fact that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Israeli intelligence was redacted to me doesn't mean much at
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: all at all. And the big one, of course, I'm
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: going to bring this up now.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Let's see, by the way, Joe comment of the night.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't looked at the comments.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Please, I'm checking. I'm checking.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Is it from Scott?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah? The car Scott is the goat?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, what is it? They're talking about? Oswald's pebecare uh?
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: And uh?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: The carbon match the curtain rods I love.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Bravo Scott is U is really killing it with this
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: the comment of the night.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: I think he might was fire engine red Timothy.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he might have won like the last few weeks
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: for sure. Uh. All right, So I have something else
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: here on on this. Let me just find that.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So part of this big part of the theory of
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: why Israel and the Jews were behind it was because
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: of a document by Homer extra veriea Ecavaria, Thank you, sir.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A pleasure.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: That's why I keep you around. I want to share
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: this real quick, and this is page number sixty four,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: four or nine, but I'm going to read this first.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Homer at Ravaria November nineteen sixty three informant and by
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Chicago Office that subject was member of an anti Castro
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Cuban group. Subject Homer Elite allegedly approached informant to provide
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: machine guns for Cuban rev maybe eleven sixty three. That was,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: of course, the Thursday before the assassination. On Friday, subject
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: allegedly told informant, we now have plenty of money. Our
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: new backers are Jews. As soon as we or they
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: take care of Kennedy. Subject expressed favorable attitude towards LBJ
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: and this was called to secret service attention on November
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three, which is the Tuesday, right
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Sunday was the twenty fourth. It was a Tuesday, and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: investigation by chic The action taken as investigation by Chicago
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Office did not disclose any violation under our jurisdiction. Secret
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: services and checkups never initiated. Subject not interviewed. So why
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: would they not interview this guy? Well, to really get
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: some good context on what's going on here. I'm going
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: to scroll up to the top. This is a secret
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Service document and it requests all files involving potential threats
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: to President Kennedy's safety four fourteen computers. So they printed
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: out four hundred and thirteen printouts one page print outs
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: of the page I just read of different threats from
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: March to December nineteen sixty three to President Kennedy, so
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: pretty much all of nineteen sixty three. A form was
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: then created to best summarize the material found in the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: reports and the print outs. The following four hundred and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: thirteen sheets are a compendium of the computer materials. So
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: this is essentially a list of every threat against Kennedy.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: So Rob, I read a couple before this, and it's hilarious. Okay,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you're gonna love this. Let's start with Kenneth Franklin Harrold
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: on February twenty eight, sixty three, letter to President Kennedy
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: complaining he isn't allowed to enlist an army. In part
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: quote just remember if I were to start shooting at
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you end quote three fifteen sixty three, he said he
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: was unfairly rejected from the army only President could help
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: no ill feelings towards the President several letters in sixty four,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: and then it says he schizo, paranoid and alcoholic committed
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: four times between November sixty two and September seventy two.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one. Frederick LaRue spitzen Angle
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: March seven to sixty three visited White House and requested
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: appointment with President to talk about world problems. Okay, schizophrenic reaction,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: acute depressive reaction. Doctor reported capable of doing great. His
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: physical harm file was set up as a result of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: his visiting White House. Secrets Servers has not checked up
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: on him since sixty five. Question Mark, this is an
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: interesting one, Rob Gerald Patrick Hemming, Yes, not given a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: reason for interest. Not given. Looks like result of jfk
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: assassination and Hemming's associations with Cuban elements. Of course, he
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: was the creator of inter pen. On April sixty one,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: part in part in anti Castro revolutionary activity established anti
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: CP legionnaires set up training camp in f one Everglades.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: I think they're talking about Pontcha training there. Seven sixty one.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Headed Inner Penn in sixty three made derogatory remarks about
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the US government. Well, we'd definitely be on this list,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: rob if they had one of these today. It's suspected
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: of being a Cuban agent seven seventy So July nineteen
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: seventy involve and plan to affect warfare between US and Cuba.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Hemming is still seven years after the assassination, still.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Running his opposite shit.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah in a Cuba by having defecting Cuban military
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: personnel fire missiles at Guatanamo Base aka a false flag. Right,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: it does not look like Secret Service has taken any action,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: having is under investigation by ATF and DEA simultaneously for
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: weapons and drum violations since January seventy seven. Oh yeah,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: So then we get to Homer Etravaria. But do you
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: see a trend here? It's every skafuza that ever made
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: a negative common against Kennedy as part of this four
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: hundred I think thirteen or four hundred something list of
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: people that said something right. And does that necessarily mean
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: that because one guy said they were backed by the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Jews means that Israel was bhind the assassination?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of crazy people saying a lot of
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: crazy shit, right.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: And you had to put that in a document if
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: they ran up the flag pole.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I saw something. I forget what the Russian
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: guy's name was, but he it was a it was
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: a report and this guy, I guess had written a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: letter to to someone, but he was He was a
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Russian national who basically claimed that he told he warned
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: the US government that Lee Harvey Asol was an assassin,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: that he had obtained a rifle and that he was
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: going to kill jfk months prior to the assassination. Right, yeap.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: While there is a report, there is documents on this stuff. Okay,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: you have to have that letter or that warning from
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: this guy dated prior to the assassination for me to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: take anything like this seriously. Yes, Now if that document
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: exists where we have this letter that this Russian former
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Russian national guy had written a letter to the FBI
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: or the CIA or whatever and told them or the
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Secret Service and told them, hey, you know Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: You know I knew him in Russia. He told me
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: he was going to kill President Kennedy. I know he's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: gotten a rifle. And if you had that in a document,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: be dated before November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Then
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: we can talk. But anything like what did what we
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: do have is just it's clear.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: It's hearsay and comes in most cases years or decades
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: after the fact, so you can't make anything of that.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: And what's happening on social media is people are taking
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: out of context clips of documents and sharing it as truth.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: And it's just not how this works, guys, and I
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: think are our subscribers know that? But in case there's
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: anyone new that's tuning in, that's really what's going on.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: If you get a threat, you're gonna have to report
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: it and put it in a document. Just because it's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: in a document doesn't mean it's true.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, So we have Claude's daughter k new up in
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: the chat. Ooh, unless I'm seeing the picture wrong and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: it's a dude, I apologize. I can't see it that well. Yes,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: I guess that would make her your great aunt. You
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: dene love sipping on learning Stars, Garden and guns is
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: in here and hello and hello. I've seen this list
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: going around to Joe a lot JFK files. CIA orchestrated
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: the entire assassination links to Masad in Israel ties to
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Rothschild's family. CIA was working from Rothschild's Paris home. And
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I've seen this next one a lot CIA. Gary Underhill
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: was murdered after revealing that j Nation was a CIA operation.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: That's been that's been making the most.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jay Jor, the son of JFK, called Joe
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Biden the Trader in nineteen ninety four. Letter Biden was
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: a senator at the time and said, so all the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories came true finally a connected bra.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of shit you gotta be real
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: wary of because this is what people are putting out there,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: and then when you know you do some due diligence,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: you find out that not so fast. Johnny Come Lately
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: is thinking they got something right. Yes, sir, exactly, And
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: we don't mean to poo poo anything.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: But again, no, I think it's great that there's such
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: discussion online about this. I think it's a net possible.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I just wish it was more
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: legit conversation. But the attention is good because it will
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: keep pressure on the Trump administration and task Force hotly
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Won and the whole nine, you know, to keep kicking
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: these things out because this is this is not everything
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: that we were promised, Folcus. This was two thousand documents,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: right or two thousand files, right, This is not everything.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Most of this stuff we've had before with this little
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: pieces redacted here and there, as we've showed you throughout
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: the evening. And like Joe said, this is not including
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: the twenty four hundred FBI documents that hopefully cash Betail
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: kicks out that they supposedly found recently, so we'll see.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we just encourage everybody to be careful out
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: there of what you believe, do your due diligence. This website,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: we tweeted it out. You can go to our website
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: and look for yourself. It's fun to go document dive
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: and just get a strategy and just get in there
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: and see what you can find. If you find anything cool,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: send it our way and we'll talk about it. We'll
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: talk about it.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. I have one or two
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: more things, rob Okay, Well, first of all, I looked
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: up the cryptonym JM Bell that we had talked about earlier.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: You remember, all right, I mean this was Jmwave Communications
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: center in Miami area, So that kind of makes sense right.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: The best example of this is a four seventeen sixty
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: one cable from JM Bell to Guatemala City while also
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: including Jmwave, JMAAD J Trav. I have no idea what
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the last who are regarding the need for the Revolutionary
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Council CRC slash am Budd to go into seclusion at
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: JM FIG during the outset of the Bay Pigs. But
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that JM Bell is the communications center
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: for Jmwave. I did not know that. And then they
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: have all the documents listed where jam Bell comes up here.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: And again Mary Ferrell is an amazing resource, you know.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: And yes, if you're.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Not yeah, if you're not a member of Mary Ferrell,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Went super chat? And why b mind you damn business Incorporated?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, appreciate you, appreciate you very much.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Uncle Dave was entered the chat.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Oh well you might have to listen on the rewatch
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: if you.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: This is the government's version of Quitas interrupt us.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we did go over some of your emails earlier.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Dave ropped it, so.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Cock blocking Dave.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: All right, I got one more thing for us here
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: on a couple of new things, things that have been
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: discussed online here, and one of them is very interesting.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna share it now. So this is a document
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: that is very heavily redacted here right, you can see
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: twenty four and big brackets, actually a.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Square rectangle, a lot of brackets and a lot.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Of brackets here twenty four, twenty four, twenty four, twenty four,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty four. So what the hell does this mean? Well,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring it up right now because this
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: is one of the examples of the less redacted volumes here.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: And this is, as you can see, twenty twenty five
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Eastender President John F. Kennedy Assassinations Act Records Act of
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, only thirty three years too late. And
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: this is a CIA document and there's a ton of
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: people see seed here. I have no idea what these
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: acromoons mean, to be honest with you, but it's about
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Tokyo Rob and Tokyo Oswalt's time in Japan. It's a
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: news story. Act all right, Let's see the date here
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: because that's what we need. It's September ninety six. Okay,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: action required, Please provide the name and phone number of
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: the project office. Embassy press officer advised COS at reception
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: last night that local UPI reporter and tiny what is
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: and UPI mean I remember that once, but I forgot it.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: You can get on that really quickly. Reporter is about
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: to file a story based on local research and an
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: interview with a retired Marine officer who claimed to be
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey, Oswalt's commander in Japan, that Oswalt was recruited
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: by CIA while stationed with the Marines in Japan in
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. UPI correspondent offered press officer a chance
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: to comment. Press officer declined. COS suggested that much, if
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: not all, papers on Oswalt's personal history have been declassified
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: by use for use by media researchers and assassination buffs.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I guess that's us for UP as part overall Kennedy
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: assassination to classification program. COS also recalled that the UI
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: reporter story in some form also has already been written,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: hence as a long shot at keeping the CIA related
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: story from servicing in Japan, thereby prompting Japanese journalists to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: pursue the same information. COS suggested to press officer that
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: she which was redacted past number of the Historical office
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: at headquarters responsible for dealing with public would therefore appreciate
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: name and number of that UPI reporter, so we can
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: call it Headquarters Historical Office responsible for JFK assassination inquery declassification.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: So essentially what they're doing here, Rob is this is
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: a CIA memo that was redacted that they're trying to.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's nothing, it's nothing. It's a nothing burger.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, it very much is. But the CIA in the
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: nineties is still trying to squash some Japanese reporters articles
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: on Oswalt allegedly interviewing his former officer and a bunch
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: of this is declassified until now, and I showed you
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: the previous version before I exited it. But this is
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: again another example the type of thing that you're going
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: to find frequently in this most recent document release. It
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: has to do with, you know, leaning on reporters and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: making sure they don't get the story out right, regardless
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: of what that story might be. And of course in
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: this case it's it's Oswalt being recruited by the CIA
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: while in Nottsugi, Japan and allegedly interviewing his commanding officer
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: and getting context on that. So I thought that was
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting. That's been making the rounds. And one last one.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Hell hang on, Joe, Welcome in Brandon, Baldrick. He just
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: became a covert operator. Baby, Welcome to Brandon.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: What's up, buddy, Thank you so much.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: The Yeah. And of course, Joe, mm hmm. Maybe uh,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: maybe Tree can do some digging for you. Let me
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: talk to you in four weeks. Oh second, maybe you
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: can be a man on the street and if you
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: can track down the Queen Bee.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be really cool. I have no idea
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: that or the Blackbird, which is the other.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Bar out of the haunted forest over there. Please yeah,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: do not pull a logan, Paul.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, that is funny. And I have one more
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: thing here that I wanted to say that has been
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: a reader that has it is very short, that has
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: been making the rounds. But actually Rob, I've never seen
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: this before.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Coming up Yeah, chief of station cos I believe.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, thank you, thank you for thinking.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: And UPI is United President of National.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, great, thank you, squid. That's why we love our
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: fucking chat. They're smarter than us in many cases.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just old. I can't remember ship. There's so
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: much ship in my head. I just can't. It's it's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: hard to immediately recall it, like as soon as we
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: got off here.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, exactly exactly.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: But when you're on the spot and we're live, things
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: don't always come to you.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: No editing. Yeah yeah, so this is uh uh, let's see.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: And this is why it's really annoying me that a
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: lot of these documents that have been released on off
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: the cover page like this, because they don't have the
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: first thing I look at, rob is originator? Which agency
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: is originating in this document? So the first thing I
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: look at, the second thing I look at is the date.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Well, the new document releases don't have that shit either,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: which bothers.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying, right, it's extremely frustrating.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: So you have to put in a rift number on
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: the top.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Right, on the top left, I'm sorry, you have to
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: put into Mary Ferrell, and then you have to search
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: past documents. It's extremely frustrating, which makes this, you know,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: looking at the documents, if you don't know what you're
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: doing completely, yeah, you're going to lose a ton of context.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: But I had never seen this document before, although I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: did search the roof number ROB and pretty much everything
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: about this document has been unreducted before. But this is
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: from December third, nineteen sixty.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Three leave.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: And it talks about Fidel Castro Cia document. Fidel Castro
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: was very upset or for the change in the United
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: States administration brought by President Kennedy's assassination. The top Cuban
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: leadership was sure President Kennedy would not invade Cuba, and
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: they were convinced that the policy of his administration for
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: economic blockade and internal subversion against Cuba would not overthrow
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: the regime Number two. The present policy of the Cuban government,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: on orders from Castro, is to not attack President LBJ
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: in public or do anything to irritate him. I wonder why,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: because I think they knew that once Kennedy was gone,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: you know, all bets were off. You know, of course,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: we know Kennedy and Castro were in kind of back
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: channel discussions. Kennedy's killed, lb Jason, you don't know what's
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: going to happen. If you're Castro, you don't know, right.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: According to government leaders, Cuban government leaders, Cashro wants to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: wait and see what President Johnson says and does about
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Cuba and give him an opportunity to improve if he
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: feels so inclined relations between the two countries, Cuba and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: the United States. So that was really interesting and that
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: has been around for a long time as well. The
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: date is No or December eighteen sixty three, so about
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: a month after the assassination. This is a document from
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: the CIA kind of telling you what Castro is thinking.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: And that makes sense to me because if they were
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: in back channel chats and JFK was killed, I would
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: be very concerned with LBJ and you know, the new
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: military industrial complex. But lucky for Castro, they decided to
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: go to the Vietnam route.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, and just take a slight break from the documents.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: And then Joe, well, we'll tidy everything up here towards
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: the end and give everybody our own two cents about
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: what the hell is going on here, what these documents mean.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Speaking of documents, I came across an interesting document and
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: it wasn't as it might be in this documentary at
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: least I don't know. But I didn't pull it out
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: of there. I found it else why, right, And I'd
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: never seen it before. But it's interesting because you know,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: the CIA had one of the FBI was doing it too.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: But the CIA had a program where it opened people's
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: mail called h t Lingual, right, and they kept files
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: of this stuff at Langley, and some of male opened
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: in ht Lingual. This will give you just a small
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: snippet of some of some of what they were opening. Okay,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: so they're opening, reading it, copying it, filing it, resealing it,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: and delivered, you know, delivering it. So this is clandestine, right,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: So you get mailed, you don't even know it's been
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: opened and copied by the CIA, but they're watching your ship.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: So when things come through for certain people or places
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: such as now, some of these people I've never heard of,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: but some you have heard of. George Kennon, Bella Abzug,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: the Ford Foundation, Arthur Burns. They were opening all the
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: mail for Harvard University. You gotta think they must have
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: had a lot of files for that. J Rockefeller, the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Rockefeller Foundation, David Rockefeller. So they were hot on some
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Rockefeller ship. Okay, they were getting all these moges. Richard Nixon,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: they were opening his mail Martin.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: This was an SBI operation.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: No CIA okay, ht Lingual Martin Luther King Junior, No
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: shock there, missus Martin Luther King Junior, his wife Coretta
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Scott King, Hubert Humphrey, Joe.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Senator Minnesota, I believe so. Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: And they also posted a deleted you see his mark
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: top secret I can yeah, And this is deleted from
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: the watch list. So this is people that have been
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: taken off their watch list and when they took them off.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: So we're no longer translation, we're no longer opening your mail.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: Right, But it gives the dates that they watched their
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: mail to.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: And from, which is that's very interesting.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: So for some reason they were they were opening everything
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: up American Express Company from February twenty six, fifty nine
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: to August two, nineteen sixty let's see. And just for
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: an instance, they were opening up Professor Michael Cole who
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: was in the Apartment of Psychology at the University of California,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Irvine nineteen sixty six to nineteen seventy something.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it ended close when Angleton was blamed
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: for it and mid to late seventies. I could be
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: getting the dates wrong, let's see.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Erwin Herzog in Vancouver, Canada, whoever the hell that
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: is that.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: We have we have a comment here about or not
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: as ab Zog. This person was a congress person from
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: New York, Okay.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Bella, Yeah, thank you. Scott Erwin Herzog of Vancouver, Canada
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: was having his mail read from nineteen sixty one to
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: May twelfth, nineteen sixty eight. Seven years they were reading
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: this guy's male And like I said, a lot of
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: the people have never heard of. But there is, and
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: this is a pretty long list some people you may
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: have heard of. Is on this list. A guy named
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald. They read his mail from nine to
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: eleven fifty nine to May third, nineteen sixty and then
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: again from July eighth of sixty one to May twenty
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: six of sixty two. That's kind of right before he
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: was leaving to come back to America. Now, the next
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: name on this list is very interesting, and that's Marina Oswald.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: They started reading her mail on November twenty sixth, nineteen
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: sixty three, you have right until May twenty sixth, nineteen
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: seventy two, So for nine years they were reading her mail.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: After the assassination, can I stop you there?
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think they were if they had Oswalt under HG.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Lingual they would not have been reading Marina's because we
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: have examples. I believe they're in the Warrant Commission. Those
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: letters of her, like writing her ex boyfriends in Russia
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: and family members, and like all of her correspondence isn't
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: is available.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just don't know. I just gotta go
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: by what's on this.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just yeah. I was just thinking.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the FBI was before that. I don't know.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: It's hard to say.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: This is the CIA, specifically, Great Francis Gary Powers is
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: one here, the guy who was shot down in the
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: U two. They were reading his mail from October of
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: sixty one until October sixty two, so for a year
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: they were reading his mail. Wow Ram Parts magazine. They
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: were reading All Male to Ramparts magazine from nineteen sixty
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: six to nineteen seventy, so for four years. Here's a
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: good one. The Rand Corporation Joe Oh, they were reading
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: their mail from nineteen fifty nine May tenth to June
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: of seventy two, so for thirteen years they were reading
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: the Rand Corporation, Ran Development Corporation in Cleveland, and.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: They were CI affiliated for sure, right, interesting that they're
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: reading their mail.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: And then we have the brother of Walter ru Ruther
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: of Ruther's News Service, his brother Victor, they were reading
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: his mail from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy one.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Another Rockefeller, nev a Goodwin, daughter of David Rockefeller. They
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: were reading her mail and they stopped. No dates given.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Here's another interesting one, John Steinbeck author. They were reading
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: his correspondence with A. Yev Tshenko, who was a Soviet poet,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: and they did that for three years, from nineteen sixty
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: four to nineteen sixty seven. So I guess only certain
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: parts of his mail they were reading.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Aaron National probably yeah.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: To whoever this Russian was. You have Jenny yef Tshenko,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: whoever that is, they're reading his mail from nineteen sixty
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: one to seventy three. A historian at the University of
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Maryland was getting his mail read for a year in
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: sixty eight sixty nine. So I don't know what you
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: had to do to get put on this list, but
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: it's it's definitely sus.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think corresponding with people in Russia would definitely
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: be almost certainly going to get you on it. But
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of professors and people that.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Weren't that are on it. So oh, I don't know,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: thank you. Ka. Walter Raft died in one of the
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: CIA's airplane sabotage hits. So there you go, Reuter, So
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: if I can say it, right, Reuter.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, him and Rourke right.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: The guy who were in the same plane there.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Bro what I didn't say, they were to say plane.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: But yes, And like Colleen's it's like hailbogs.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true too.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: I saw this Wild History Channel thing where this dude
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: was in Alaska searching for haillbogs playing and they didn't. Yeah,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: they followed his fight path and where they had to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: like go, it's like this. They had to go in
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: between this pass that the weather in there is like
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: really jacked up, and there's a glacier at the bottom
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: of this valley in between this pass and these mountains.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: And they said, you know, if you were if they
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: were to crashed into this glacier, there's no way the
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: they'll never find them, right because there's like crevices and
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: cracks in the glaciers that goes down for very long distance.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: And the way that was a pretty cool show. I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: forget what it's called, but.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: It leads to the ice wall and the green utopia
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: under the ice.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: In the Artica, Alaska's pretty far Mantartica. Yeah, if you
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: can dug a hole straight through.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I forgot I forgot you.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: But I just wanted to leave everybody with this note. Joe, Okay,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: And it's just my personal observations on these file releases
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: and what I'm seeing a lot of, and correct me
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, at least my impression. We're seeing a
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: lot of some of the last documents to come out,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: and whatever the reason may be, it's a lot of
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: Cuba related things, it's a lot of Mexico related things,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of Russian related things. And I don't
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: know what the correlation here is, right, If it was
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: just a thing of you know, the CIA didn't want
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: to compromise their modus operation and die when it comes
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: to intelligence gathering in foreign countries, sources, we get it.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: But it's not like nobody knew what was going on,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: you know, like like on the last episode, I think
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: it was the last episode where I was showing, you
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: know a picture of how they were taking the Keevan
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Consolate picture and you know, actually show I found pictures
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: of it, and and how good the cameras were and
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: how tight the shots was, and if Oswald actually went
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: in and out of this building, they would have caught him,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, m And they don't have
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: him on film. And I came across the document in
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: the course of opening these up, you know, and it
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: was about you know, l I envoy, and it was
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: about coverage on the Russian consulate, not Consolate. And before
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: they they had set up in this safe house, it
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: says they they used to have a roving van, like
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: a roaming van that would just drive around the block
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: and tried to get pictures, you know, of people going
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: in and out of the you know, before they actually
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: had a spot, you know. And it explained how it worked,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: and explained the guy that they had paid to, you know,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: sit in the safe house and take these pictures, how
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: much they were paying him, and all this stuff. And
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: he was he was He did it for quite a while.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: I think he did it from like sixty one to
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: sixty nine. He was the guy that was, you know,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: and he was a Mexican national to work for the CIA.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: He definitely had a Mexican name that I can't remember
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: right now, but there's probably four or five of them.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: You know how they you know how they go, you know,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: you know Hector Luis Gooseband as Hector, Actor Varrio ar
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Nesto Rodriguez, uh Bringer, you know what I mean. Like
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: it's something like that. My point being, why are these
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: why are most of the files heading in this direction?
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Like the first thing I opened, Joe, when I opened
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: up The Bachelor, the New documents, it was Alpha sixty
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: six documents, right, it was Operation mong goose Head, Lansdale
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Documents going, you know, going through all of that, and
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: it makes you think, because you know, Trump has made
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: the comment, hey, you know, if you see what I've
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: seen these files, you're gonna get pissed off, you know,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: you know, the American people are going to be upset.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: Which I'd love to know what documents he's talking about,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll find him soon. But when you hear
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: comments like that and you see the documents that they've
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: been holding on to for so long and what they
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: pertain to specifically, the direction that's pointing is, you know,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: elements within the CIA in conjunction with anti Castro Cubans.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: You know, uh, we're kind of involved in something like this.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we floated this idea for years
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: on the show, you know, because it had to be
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: certain things because of how everything went down, you know,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, Oswald going to Mexico City,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: and you know how all these agencies had to basically
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: cover up their relationship or information that they had on
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: on Oswald or lack thereof, or whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 2: You know, from from from the get go, the FBI
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  Speaker 2: dropped the ball, right they were supposed to be watching Oswald.
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  Speaker 2: They dropped the ball and heads rolled after the assassination,
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  Speaker 2: not publicly, but behind the scenes from from jag or Hoover.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of shit that went down, you
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  Speaker 2: know at the Secret Service. However, nobody gets fired, you
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  Speaker 2: know type of thing, and and it's just like, really,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you let a president dial on your watch.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody should be fired here, you know, for lack of
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  Speaker 2: action or whatever the case may be, their election of
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  Speaker 2: duty or whatever, Michael Jones, whatever something. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: CIA has plausible deniability because they're not supposed to act
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  Speaker 2: inside the country right exactly. You know, they're more of
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: a foreign intelligence community, if you will. But they were
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  Speaker 2: engaged in psyops, you know, assassination attempts for foreign leaders, coups, overthrows,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: you know, dirty business, drugs, the whole nine yards. We
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  Speaker 2: know all the stories, We've heard it, We've heard it
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  Speaker 2: all before. Yeah, so you kind of see where all
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  Speaker 2: this is leading, don't you. And as I read through
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  Speaker 2: these documents and you see, holy shit, mind your business.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, oh wow, that is Chad. I just felt
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  Speaker 2: that in my testicles. A god, thank you, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, really really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I got what the funk I was talking about, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: so but okay.
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  Speaker 1: Documents leading to Cuba.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sorry sorry I got sidetracked there, But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I'm just saying I see
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  Speaker 2: where these documents are coming from, where they're leading us,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: and we'll just have to see what else comes out
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: of them here in the near future, and hopefully there
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: will be more to come. And this is not it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this is it, so we will see.
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  Speaker 2: All I can tell you is to stay tuned, Like
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: I said, people, if you want to help out and
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: go dive through some documents. I mean, there's two thousand,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: two thousand plus documents to dive through, and no one
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: person can do this on our own, so we're going
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: to be looking through them. If you guys want to
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: help us out. Do you find anything interesting, feel free
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: to email it to the Loan Guming Podcast at gmail
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: dot com and we will talk about it here on
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: the show if we find something.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: In Yeah, and give you credit, of course.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe we might just take the credit. Yeah,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: would definitely give you credit. Yeah, all good, mind your business.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: You can just kick me in the nuts anytime you want, sir.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Much appreciated.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but it's exciting times to be a JFK
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: related podcast, assassination podcast. And you know, we're happy our
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: community has grown so much and continues to grow and
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: people when you have questions can tell us right away.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: And we love our community and we're going to keep
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: it going. We're excited to do a lot more research
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: on this, on these documents. You know, only the very
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg has been kind of talked about
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: yet and much more to come.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: So absolutely so again, folks, this Friday night, we are
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: not going to be live, but we'll still have a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: premiere set for you at seven pm Eastern if you
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: want to come check it out. Unless you were in
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: Dallas a couple of years ago, something you haven't seen before,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that. Yeah, it's a little something
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: you know that we that we've never we've never put
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: out publicly yet. So we're gonna do that Friday night,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: and we apologize in advance. But we'll be back next
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Wednesday for members and next Friday for everybody else, and
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: hopefully we'll have some more updates on some document talk
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: and we'll figure out in between here and now, and
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: we'll let you know Wednesday what we're gonna be talking
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: about Friday. I think we already have a good idea
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: on it. I've tasked Joe with some certain things.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: I found a really interesting new document.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Good listen to your as good. So we got an
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: exciting show coming up for you on March twenty eight,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: So definitely tune in for that. No wanna, don't wanna
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: blow a load here, but we'll tell you next Wednesday
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: what that show is going to be about. So thank
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: you everybody for showing up and showing out. We're ninety
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: one strong. That is a record, Rob, That is a
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: record that is aversonal best.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you to everyone who has joined us.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. This is what we love to
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: talk about, and we talk about it for two hours
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: at least ever twice a week.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: You and me, both, Uncle Dave. All right, Rob, I have.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm hoping well, I don't know if I'm holding
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: out for that, but that would be fun. But when
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: you call my little friend, I'm going to put the
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: laptop over there and we're gonna see if she comes.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: When you start the music, Oh okay, all right, Well
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: go ahead and point at her her general direction, and
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: I will do my best to Are you ready for this?
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Ruby, come on, Ruby, come on. It's dance girl. Such
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: a good girl, Such a good girl. You's a good girl.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: She knows what time it is, folks. It's time to
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: dance up out of this bitches with Dino. If I
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: can find the damn song, Here we go, Here we
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: go once again. Everybody, thanks for hanging out with us again.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: You blow us away. Thank you so much for all
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: the super cats. Get appreciate it. Thank you so much
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: for all the eyeballs on this thing. She's ticking through
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: all the doc from the foot. Hey Ruby, you dancing
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: over there girl.
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  Speaker 9: The greatest lies are told in the name of truth,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 9: the greatest crimes are committed in the name of justice.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 9: The quotation is Jim Garrison's. It could be used for
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 9: him or against him in this strange case.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: Good Night night, folks always from what doll? You folks
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: just being new faces in here.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, you'll better off of sixty six and EV's doll
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: hooked up too.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: Yep, well brought the fireday night. We appreciate it.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: See you next Wednesday, but you'll see us Friday. But
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: we kind of won't be here, but we kind of
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: will be a much younger version of ourselves. Joe, we'll
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: be here Friday night. All right, Folks are forging