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Who is winning the NBA MVP? NBA Tier list of Title Contenders & Pretenders! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For the most part, just the one and two seats
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode, episode number one sixty two
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  Speaker 2: of the so called Sports Anna Lists. Man, it's been
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  Speaker 2: a while, Josh, How you been.
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  Speaker 1: Been pretty good? We have been a little bit since
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  Speaker 1: we've done like a NBA pod, probably a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Been a little busy, but I'm glad we can finally
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  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, no, for sure, it's I think this
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be on, but he was doing homework. How
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure you man, Yeah, but before we i've
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just saying Josh has been I don't think you
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  Speaker 1: An NBA pod. At least I haven't missed an NBA pod.
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  Speaker 2: a lot more often. But like you're saying, as far
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  Speaker 2: as the NBA, it's March twenty fifth right now. Playoffs
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  Speaker 2: it starts in two and a half three weeks, so
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  Speaker 2: it's getting towards the crunch time right now. And usually
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  Speaker 2: we go over the standings and all these different things,
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  Speaker 2: but we want to go ahead and rank the top
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  Speaker 2: twelve teams. So we got the top twelve teams as
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  Speaker 2: far as seedon wides, both in the Eastern and Western Conference,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna make a tier list out of them.
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  Speaker 2: As far as who do we see as the championship
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  Speaker 2: teams and who do we see as somebody who's not
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  Speaker 2: a threat but okay, what do you I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to name the title yet, like of each tier, so
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  Speaker 2: what you want to name the first one? Title contenders?
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  Speaker 1: Like real? Yeah, title favorites. I guess, like, let's do
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  Speaker 1: what because all these teams are title contenders, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like they're not.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a difference. Yeah, but and then this.
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  Speaker 1: One could be contenders, like I feel like eight tier
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  Speaker 1: could be contenders okay, and the team could be of
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  Speaker 1: playoff teams or.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, we could do another tier if we need to,
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  Speaker 2: possibly just like.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we could do four tiers. Let's do title
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  Speaker 1: faves contenders, uh, conference finals and then just like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we could do what we do. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: we could do just playoffs or maybe yeah maybe yeah
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  Speaker 2: maybe Okay, Okay, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is this could be a random too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we'll start right perfect. We're just gonna start
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  Speaker 2: right here with the Los Angeles Lakers right here, so
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  Speaker 2: they were struggling with at first, or let me hear
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  Speaker 2: your opinions first on the Lakers because because I know
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  Speaker 2: mine as of recently, so go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like as far as me for me for
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  Speaker 1: the Lakers, like I understand the Lakers are completely balling
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  Speaker 1: right now, especially on the offensive, and in their defense
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  Speaker 1: has drastically improved. DeAndre Ayton is really doing his thing.
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  Speaker 1: Lebron James has taking a backseat to look at Dontons
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  Speaker 1: and really letting him steer the ship as far as
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  Speaker 1: it is offensively. The only thing for me is that
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  Speaker 1: the defense. For me, I feel like the when the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs comes around, it's really good right now, like it's
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  Speaker 1: looking really good because they're locking in, they're beating some
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  Speaker 1: really good teams. But I do think when the going
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  Speaker 1: gets tough and you have to force yourself into half
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  Speaker 1: court sets on the offensive end and you can't get
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  Speaker 1: caught in transition defense, that's gonna be the problem for
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  Speaker 1: me because you're gonna have to run up against a
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  Speaker 1: team in the second round of the likes like the
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  Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs or Oklahoma City Thunder, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be forced to play them in a seven game series
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  Speaker 1: at if you don't control the pace of the game,
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  Speaker 1: you are not gonna win that series in either of
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  Speaker 1: those And for me, that's too tall of a task.
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  Speaker 1: And even if you play a team, let's say that
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  Speaker 1: like the Minnesota Timberwolves, who has Anthony Edwards, who has Ao,
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  Speaker 1: who has a couple of other guys that can can
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  Speaker 1: handle the basketball and can really play in some great
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  Speaker 1: transition defense and great transition offense. For me, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think they have enough in their arsenal, especially offensively
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  Speaker 1: outside of Luka Doncics, which I know that's a tall task.
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  Speaker 1: Luka doncons osheris two of the best offensive players and
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  Speaker 1: the greatest offensive player of all time all on the
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  Speaker 1: same team. But I do think when you have to
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  Speaker 1: play in transition and if you're not able to get
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  Speaker 1: in your sets, I just don't think it's gonna work
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  Speaker 1: most of the time. And I understand they're winning basketball games,
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  Speaker 1: They're doing what we want them to do. We want
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  Speaker 1: them to be doing this as basketball fans. I just
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  Speaker 1: think for me, there's too many variables, with too many
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  Speaker 1: teams that could probably outpace you. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they want to see a team like like the Phoenix
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  Speaker 1: Suns or the Los Angeles Clippers, like for in the
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  Speaker 1: in the first round, you know, and or in the
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  Speaker 1: second round if that somehow happens, you know. Like like I,
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  Speaker 1: I just think there's too many teams that can answer
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  Speaker 1: everything the Lakers do in a seven game series, and
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  Speaker 1: if we're not even talking about the team with Nikola
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  Speaker 1: Jokic on it, on their basketball team and at this moment,
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  Speaker 1: so for me, I think I can put them in
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  Speaker 1: the conference finals. Like I just don't see them as
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  Speaker 1: real contenters or title favorites so far. I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you have a different opinion and we can negotiate, but
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  Speaker 1: right now that's where I would put them is in
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  Speaker 1: the conference finals tier.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, we're definitely gonna negotiate here. And I'm gonna say,
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  Speaker 2: don't you love that? It's always the past three four
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  Speaker 2: years with the Lakers, it's always been they haven't started
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  Speaker 2: off so well, and then later on in the season
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  Speaker 2: they always go down this hot stretch and now it's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh the Lakers. It's like everybody they start hopping on
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  Speaker 2: the bandwagon. And I thought, I thought, like three weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'm not gonna fall for that
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  Speaker 2: this time, strap me into that wagon. I am fully,
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  Speaker 2: I am fully on the Lakers. I'm not gonna say
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  Speaker 2: there's two definitive teams that are better than them, in
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  Speaker 2: which I'll go ahead and say it right now. The
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  Speaker 2: Spurs and the thunder Those are only two teams I
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  Speaker 2: could definitively say are better than the Lakers, and they
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  Speaker 2: just happen to be in the Western Conference. I would
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  Speaker 2: have him in the contenders list. And like you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: the defense has gotten a lot better since the All
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  Speaker 2: Star Break, their top ten since All Star Break, they're
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  Speaker 2: plus fifteen. With now Austin Reeves, Luka Doncic, and Lebron
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  Speaker 2: James all on the court. There was this crazy I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know it's nonsense as far as the analysts
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  Speaker 2: saying that their Lebron James is better off not being
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  Speaker 2: on the team, which is crazy, but I think, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking this Luka Doncic and at the level that
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  Speaker 2: he's playing at right now, he's playing as far as
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  Speaker 2: best player in the world. He's playing. At the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the season, even though the stats were good, he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't playing as good as he wasn't playing good as Wimby,
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  Speaker 2: as Shay, as Jokic, Kic. I'll get to that in
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  Speaker 2: a second. I don't think he's been playing as well
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  Speaker 2: as of lately, but as far as with Wimby, Shay
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  Speaker 2: and Luca, I think they're all three of them right now.
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  Speaker 2: They are all on the same level. And I think
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  Speaker 2: Luca he could be just as nuclear because Jason tamp
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  Speaker 2: I know, we've both been watching watching him as recently,
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  Speaker 2: so he has a scoring capabilities. I forgot how he
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  Speaker 2: said he has a scoring capabilities as Shay. He's almost
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  Speaker 2: as good as a passers as Nicola Jokic, and he
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  Speaker 2: has a nuclear.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on We'll talk about this in a minute. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about these these like I think you're getting into
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  Speaker 1: the next topic. I think you're getting too much into.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll say this. The reason why I have the
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  Speaker 2: Lakers and Contenders is because Luka Dancie is playing as
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  Speaker 2: one of the best players in the world right now,
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  Speaker 2: and whenever it comes to that, you can't count them out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess I'm just viewing it as
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  Speaker 1: like in the in the standpoint comparing to the Thunder
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  Speaker 1: and the Spurs, like why I'm having them in the
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  Speaker 1: conference finals. But now, like as you've been talking, I've
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  Speaker 1: been kind of looking at like the other teams, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I like them more than a couple a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than a couple of these other teams. I will
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  Speaker 1: say so I'm okay with putting them in the contenders
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  Speaker 1: right now, Like I will wholehardly say that. And I
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  Speaker 1: do think they put some separation on the field right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, there's still a lot of game
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  Speaker 1: to play. The Denver has some pretty big matchups down
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  Speaker 1: the stretch, and it's but no, I can put them
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  Speaker 1: in continders. I can do with that because I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at the other teams here and I'm like, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: would I would favor them over a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: teams if I'm going to be honest. Yeah, And it's
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  Speaker 1: just especially having Luca Luca and the way he's playing
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  Speaker 1: right now, and then Lebron just kind of taking a
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  Speaker 1: back seat a little bit right now. I do like
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  Speaker 1: how that's working out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's playing out good. And I think they just.
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  Speaker 1: Comparing them to the Thunder and Spurs. I guess, like
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  Speaker 1: I was like comparing it to like the peak of
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  Speaker 1: what the top two teams the NBA are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's those top two by a
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  Speaker 2: very wide margin. And then after that, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, if you put the Lakers
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  Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference, I don't think this would be
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  Speaker 2: a conversation as far as we think the Lakers are going.
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  Speaker 2: But all right, yeah, next team we have right here
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  Speaker 2: is a Minnesota Timberwolves. So like you're like you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: but they're they're without Anthony Edwards right now and they're
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  Speaker 2: still playing good. He should be back, they said, I
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  Speaker 2: think he plays Friday or Saturday. They play Friday or Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: He should be back. So everything's good with them. Where
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  Speaker 2: would you rank them as of right now?
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  Speaker 1: You go first on this one. I want to hear
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  Speaker 1: your opinion before I get into mine, Like i'm i'm, i'm, i'm,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm torn on the Minnesota tian rules right now
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  Speaker 1: because okay, I guess for mem if history repeaza itself,
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  Speaker 1: they're in the conference, fine, you know, but if history
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  Speaker 1: repeat itself, that's all they're gonna get to. Like that,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the problem. And I I don't think they're
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  Speaker 1: as strong as they've been in the past, like and
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  Speaker 1: I know they've done this too also like the thunder
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  Speaker 1: where like they don't they have all their flaws coming
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  Speaker 1: into the playoffs and just when that when the when
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  Speaker 1: it matters the most, they turn it up a notch,
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  Speaker 1: But are we always gonna roll upon turning it up
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  Speaker 1: a notch? Like and especially now like I do think
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  Speaker 1: that the talent level in the Western Conference is better
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  Speaker 1: than it was last year. I think, especially at the
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  Speaker 1: top the top end, you're gonna have to play a
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  Speaker 1: couple of really good teams and have to match them
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  Speaker 1: offensively and even defensively. And we know Rudy Gobert one
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  Speaker 1: of the greatest defensive players of our time. As much
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  Speaker 1: as I give him crap in comparison to Wimby, he
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  Speaker 1: is one of the best defensive players of our time.
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  Speaker 1: But we do know when it comes to playoff time
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  Speaker 1: he tends to struggle quite a bit because they catch
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  Speaker 1: him on the outside and in transition with just the
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  Speaker 1: high pace play it doesn't match up to his skill level.
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  Speaker 1: And is that gonna be another problem? Is Julius Randall
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to step up once again in the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs and have some really big games. That's a big
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  Speaker 1: ass for me as well, because I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: Julius Randall is that guy on a consistent basis to
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  Speaker 1: be able to rely upon. And as Anthony Edwards, we
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  Speaker 1: know what he's gonna bring. We know Anthony Edwards is
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  Speaker 1: gonna bring. I just think for me, like if we
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  Speaker 1: look at a Jada McDaniels, if we look at an Ao,
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  Speaker 1: we look at a couple of other players that we
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  Speaker 1: need to step up, I can see them being in
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  Speaker 1: the contenders range. But for me, I think it's just
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  Speaker 1: safe to say that they are a conference finals. Bet
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  Speaker 1: like to place a bit on them to be in
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  Speaker 1: the conference finals. So that's where I would put them,
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  Speaker 1: because we've seen them this year struggle against some teams,
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  Speaker 1: but we've seen them play really well against the San
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  Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs, you know, So they played really well against
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  Speaker 1: some of the top teams, but against teams that they
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  Speaker 1: should be beating, they just kind of haven't had that
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  Speaker 1: same use.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm one hundred percent with you on this.
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  Speaker 2: You could argue me all the way up to contenders
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  Speaker 2: because another thing sometimes, just in the playoffs, since there's
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  Speaker 2: only five people on the court, one person, if he
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  Speaker 2: could play for a two week span better than the
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  Speaker 2: other person's best player, then they could make it all
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  Speaker 2: the way to the conference championship. They could win the
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  Speaker 2: title just based off of that. And Anthony Edwards, he
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  Speaker 2: could play up to a shade level for a two
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  Speaker 2: week span to Luca to those type of levels. But
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  Speaker 2: like you're saying, I just think that the ceiling is
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  Speaker 2: the conference finals because as of right now, they are
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  Speaker 2: let me, let me check the standings. Right now, they're five,
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  Speaker 2: So that means they would face the Nuggets in a
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  Speaker 2: matchup right now, and then they'd face either the Spurs
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  Speaker 2: or no, it would be the Thunder. So you're telling
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  Speaker 2: me you have to go through those blood baths of
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  Speaker 2: a series right there, and then you're gonna play either
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  Speaker 2: the Lakers or the Spurs.
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  Speaker 1: So it's Kenny.
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  Speaker 2: On l eight in the second round. It's it's building
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  Speaker 2: up to that right now.
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  Speaker 1: If it's if it stays like this, they would play
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be Phoenix.
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix, Phenix. Phoenix plays pretty good versus the Spurs. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna lie like they do play pretty good, but
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  Speaker 1: I do think the Spurs come out for one in
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  Speaker 1: that series, like for one, four to two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. Well, we'll talk about the Spurs playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at the standings and I was
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  Speaker 1: just trying to see how it would play out. But
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  Speaker 1: playing Denver in the first round Yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I would want that matchup. I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I would know I wouldn't rather. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I probably would rather if I were the Timberwolves play
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  Speaker 1: LA in the first round, really then only because beating
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  Speaker 1: them in tempo, like in the tempo the play like
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  Speaker 1: like I think I think Lou. I think Jokic's presence offensively,
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  Speaker 1: just what he's able to do and really push fast
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  Speaker 1: breaks like at Alfa rebounds is a lot more hard
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  Speaker 1: to deal with than it is to have to let
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  Speaker 1: Luco slow pace the game, you know, because at least
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  Speaker 1: at least Joki is always looking for the outlet at
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  Speaker 1: all times and having like a Jamal Murray who compliments
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  Speaker 1: that at all times, and plus the defensive acumen that
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  Speaker 1: the Denver brings when they're completely healthy. I would rather
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  Speaker 1: play LA than Denver. For if I'm the Timberwolves in
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  Speaker 1: the first round.
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  Speaker 2: I buy that. But I could also see the other
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  Speaker 2: way because they've honestly, they've dominated both LA and Denver
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  Speaker 2: as recently. But I'll say Minnesota they're better than last
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  Speaker 2: year because they actually have a nine man rotation. It
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  Speaker 2: could be Bones Hyland, nas Reed, Kyle Anderson, the Vincenzo Conley,
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  Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert, Julius Rando, Anthony Anthony Edwards. And they're playing good.
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  Speaker 2: They beat Boston and Boston for the first time since
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  Speaker 2: I think two thousand and five for the Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was something like that.
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  Speaker 1: They've been playing good, but everyone else all have been
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  Speaker 1: playing good too. Yeah, So it's also.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's where it's just tough. It's like if these teams, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if the Lakers, Timberlves and Nuggets were all in the
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  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference, is one of them, we'd be saying, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna be the favorite to get out
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  Speaker 2: of that conference right there. It's just the top two.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm right there with you with the
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  Speaker 2: conference finals tierless. But all right, let's get to an
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  Speaker 2: interesting one right here. The Atlanta Hawks, they wouldn't maybe, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this was it was a fun game tonight. Shout out
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  Speaker 2: to Dyson Daniels Fantasy Basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Which it was a fun game. It was a fun.
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  Speaker 2: Game, dude, man, Just it okay, just very very quickly,
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  Speaker 2: are you surprised from the Hawks season after trading away
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  Speaker 2: Trey Young and just.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm actually very disappointed in it, to be honest
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  Speaker 1: with you if you're asking a Spurs fan.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: But oh, I forgot about that. I forgot at the
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: beg end of the year.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have their first pick, so it looked
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: like aj Dovinstanio or Cameron Boozer was gonna make their
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: way over to San Antonio. But not no more than this.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: But no, I see. For me, I just don't see
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it happening right now, Like I just don't see them
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: getting that deep into the playoffs. I understand that Jalen
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Johnson is one of my favorite players outside of the
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs. I like Dyson Daniels. Resia sche is
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: one of my Frenchmen. Not very great when it comes
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: to like a number one overall pick, but when it
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: comes to doing all around basketball, it's just stuff that's
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: exactly what we should say he's good at. And then yeah,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I like their team, But for me, I think it's
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: just not the time. They don't have the pieces to
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: be able to compete against the Detroit in a seven
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: game series, against the Boston, against the New York, against
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland. I don't even think they can play against
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the Toronto or even if they run against Tyrese Maxi
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, are we gonna be able to trust
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: that they can control him? Or if they play and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: experience Miami or rolling Charlotte Hornet's team, Like, I just
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: think that there's there's there's a lot of teams that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: would rather have over Atland. I'd probably rather have the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Hornets over Atlanta if we're being completely honest that if
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: that would end up happening, so and even Orlando just
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: based off experience, and like just I think if they
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: turned up the defensive level out and who's gonna win
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: that defensive matchup Atlanta Orlando. I think I'm gonna go
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: with Orlando with the best player with Paolo and Franz
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: on the court, when Franz is actually getting healthy right now.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: So for me, I think Atlanta is gonna be in
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the maybe category.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely definitively in the maybe. I just wanted to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: just have some discourse and jayl there's just.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: A lot of teams I like more one through ten
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: pretty much. I like more one through ten than.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: They're just like the perfect regular season team where I mean,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: look at them tonight against the Pistons. They half of
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: their shots that they made. It was before fifteen seconds
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: in the shot clock ever went off. That is not
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: gonna happen in the playoffs. So in the in the playoffs,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: it's you have to work your work the clock all
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the way down to like five seconds left, find the
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: best shot. That's not gonna happen. So it's a definition
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of a fun regular season basketball team. And they have potential.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: But no, but all right, let's get to the heavy
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: hitter right here. So the San Antonio Spurs.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: So I was like, are you gonnave Atlanta? But I forgot,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: They're already in the Yeah, they're already in the thing.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just gonna have to it'll fix itself in
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a second. But yeah, san Antonio Spur, Josh, go ahead.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: The floor is.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Well and we're just gonna I'll just give you this.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Since February first first, and points first, and rebounds first,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: assist first, and three point field goal percents first, and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: blocks versus steels first and everything, and only lost two
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: games since the All Star break and before that, yeah,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like and dominated the number one team in the entire
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: NBA four to one this season and with the best
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: player in the world. So that's Tyle Saves.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm not gonna have much disagreement here. I
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: think the San Antonio Spurs, I remember I said like
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: three or four months ago, I said something along the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: lines of the inexperience is gonna hinder them. But I've
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: seen so much it's not even necessarily from obviously the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: role players. They're playing so well. Dylan Harper, he's been
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: one of the most efficient players in the NISH, a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: like efficient like with the limited of touches.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: It's I'm not gonna say he would have been Rookie
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: of the Year if he went to Washington or if
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: he went to like in like a like a lower team. Yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: but there would be a real discussion, Like I I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: got like, like, I don't think like people are kind
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: of throwing him a little shade because the spray for
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like the Spurs to the drafted con which if you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: look in hindsight, just team fit maybe, like, but if
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you ask any Spurs fan, we know we would rather
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: have Dylan Harper because I mean, he just does so
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: much on the basketball court that like play defense, gets
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the rat create space, create opportunity, and his three point
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: shot is it actually is improving, Like he just looks way.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: He just looks like a season veteran coming off the bench.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Shooting over fifty percent. The only thing he's shooting under
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: forty percent is is off the bounce threes, which that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: again that's you're not gonna shoot it a forty percent,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and he should like hit thirty six.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I think he's like top ten at creating creating shots
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: inside the paint. Yeah, in the NBA, no he is.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And again he barely gets any touches. Like you realize,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of guys. There's the Aaron Fox, there's Stephan Castle,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: there's Devin fa Sale. Also this guy named Victor wimbin
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yama on the team. But yeah, like you're saying with
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the con with the con thing, Yes, maybe Kankannoople would
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: have helped out this year, but years further, Dylan Dylan Harper,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you could tell. I mean you could just tell from
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the very beginning. I said it even during the draft process,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: this dude is gonna be an All NBA player for
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the next five to ten years. It just happens he's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: on a team that's gonna compete this year, so he's
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: not gonna get the touches. He needs to get those SATs.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I the spurs Rid. I'm gonna always
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: hype them up. But like if we just look at
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: what they do defensively, when Victor Wimbinyama's on the court,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: there's no domin There's not a more dominant defensive team
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: in the entire NBA because you have six foot six
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: six to six foot eight wings at all time playing
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: defense to get out and transition and can create their
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: own shot and get to the rack. And then you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have guys like Jillians Champagne and Devin Fassel who are
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: on a phrase to shoot threes at any given moment. Well,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: so you have to respect what they do. But then
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you also have to realize that there's a seven foot
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: five behemoth that you have to like alien that you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: have to deal with at all times, and he has
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the biggest we'll get into it in MVP talk more,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but as far as like when Wimby's on the court, offensively,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: they're like close to one of the greatest offense. They're
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the one of the greatest.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Offenses of all time. They are they are.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also they've they've been averaging the most points
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in the entire NBA entire, and people say, like, I know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: y'all made the argument a couple of weeks ago about
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: that they have too many guys, like that depth is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not gonna matter, like going into the playoffs about like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the rotations thin. But the reason why those guys are
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: able to score in double digits is because of one man.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And so so that's that's that there's the difference in
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the historical like looking of teams that I've had multiple
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: players deeply that have averaged more than ten points. It's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: just different with the San Antonio Spurs. And obviously I'll
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: get into that into my why certain a certain someone
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: should be the MVP of the NBA. Yeah, but but
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: they're just things that the Spurs offer that other teams
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do not besides one team in the NBA, and I don't,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and I would argue that it's not even to this level.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, just the Spurs defense. I think the biggest
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: thing is that the Spurs defense is gonna be the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: most consistent thing other than thee.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's just that that I think teams are gonna target
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the Spurs weaknesses, and that's shooting the three point shot
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: consistently because they could do it, but consistently they're gonna
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: force like win, be out of the pain. They're gonna
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: so But to me, I feel like that's where Deeron
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Fox comes into play. You know. I just think a
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: guy that can at will get his own shot, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: we've seen it multiple times in his career and this
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: season where Daron Fox, if you're there's I just feel
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: like there's certain guys he may not be at this
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: point in his career a top twenty player in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: NBA debatable, Like we can debate it. Some people may
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: even take Stephan Castle over him just but he can
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: do all around. But when it comes to like getting
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: your own shot, there's not many players in the entire
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: NBA that can just get to his spots better.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Why did Freeze on me?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, did it disconnect me? No? It disconnected me? Okay, no,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but yeah, there's just not many players that can get
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to his own spot better than the Aaron Fox.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: No, I'm right there with you, and I think again,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the way it's shaping up right now, I don't think
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: San Antonio they're gonna have any problems in the first round.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe the first couple of games against Phoenix, which is
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a tough defensive team. Even at that, I expect them
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to win.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And I'll give Phoenix two games in that series. Like
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here saying that we're gonna clean sweep them.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe one. I think we for sure lose one game,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like a versus Phoenix.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I think I think for sure Phoenix at this point,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna get that seven seed for sure.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And like like I'm saying, in the second round, it's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: shaping up right now to be a San Antonio versus Lakers,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: which I.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Think the Spurs would feast on the Lakers. I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: they I.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Would say this if they faced each other, and if
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I had a bet money, I would bet on the Spurs.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: But would it surprise me if the Lakers they win
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the series. No, I'm gonna put it like that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I'll just say this, like if they were to play
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: one on one, I don't think the Spurs are worried
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: if Luca scores fifty a game, Like I I think
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they'll be like, Luca, do your thing, but we're gonna
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: shut everybody else down. Mm hmm, like like we'll let
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you get all the tough shots and force Wimby like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough situations, but we're gonna rely
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that we can play high guard like point of attack
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: defense with multiple guards and just relentlessly throw bodies at you.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And they've done that. They've done that to him to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Shave this year, to him, this year, They've done it
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to Kate Cunningham and all those guys have struggled the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: most versus the San Antonio Spurs and they and it's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: worked because it forces someone else to make a bucket
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and it just doesn't happen. But also we can say
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that Austin Reeves wasn't in one of those games, which
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: creates a different I mean, I would say the thunder
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: still but like as far as like the Lakers like like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: but I do think that it presents a challenge. But
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: if they get caught in trying to keep up with
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the Spurs just in pace, I think it's gonna be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a struggle.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's why I'm saying in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, usually the pace does kind of slow down.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Teams are a lot more better at transition defense and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: just slowing everything down. And I just think that the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Lakers they're at a level offensively right now where they
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: can keep up with anybody. And during this stretch they
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: face the great defensive teams. They face the Orlandos, the Miamis,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the Detroits, they face those teams amongst this stretch and
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: in the clutch, they've been one of the most efficient officers.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: But the Spurs, again, how Wimby's playing right now? And
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that exact statue that you said, If
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Winby makes four threes, chalk up the game, chalk up
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I think now they're like twelve and oh, thirteen and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen oh, he makes four.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: This is the NBA version of the Brian Robinson stat
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: at this point. So again, if Winby makes threes, let alone,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: he's the greatest lob threat ever in NBA history. And yes,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that definitively better than Shack, better than anybody else.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But if he makes threes, you can't. He's literally unguardable.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He's almost damn near unguardable as it is right now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And then you add in one of the greatest defenses
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: we've seen over the past ten years if they want
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Thunder. So yeah, no, Spurs are by
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: far title favorites, but an interesting team right here. We
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: have the New York Knicks who've won seven in a row,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: kind of against a lighter schedule, but hey, they're taking
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: care of business. And again, this is the Eastern Conference,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: so it may look a little bit different seeing them
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: on a similar tier as some of the other teams.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Where would you have them?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: See? For me, I'm stuck like I'm stuck between title
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: faves or contenders because Faiths are obviously getting in the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: East like you can get there, you know, and they
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: would be I mean, there's not really a real argument
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you can make against them, you know. But for me,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and this is it's going to go back to defense
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: once again. And they have two spots that are very
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: important on their team that are some of the biggest
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: liabilities in all of basketball and as their two most
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: important players. Yeah, and that's Jalen Brunson and that's Karl
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Anthony Towns. And for me, unless Karl Anthony Towns could
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: stay out of foul trouble, this New York Knicks team
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: is gonna struggle once again to get to the championship.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna struggle per se. In the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: playoffs because their playoffs, their playoffs acumen is there, like
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: they've played good series, They've had big performances from both
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: their players offensively defensively, OG's there. There's a reason you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: bring in Jose Alvarado, There's a reason you attempt to
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: revive Jeremy Sohan, there's a reason why you're doing these
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: things to make up for those pieces that do struggle.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But I will say I think that they they're gonna
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: get caught trying to guard a guy like James Harden,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: trying to get a guard, trying to guard like what
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Boston offers offensively, and trying to keep up with them
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: as far as shooting three pointers when they're fully healthy.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And then plus I think once again, Charlotte's gonna be
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and I think that's a team that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you're also gonna have to deal with offensively. Defensively, you
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: can have your way with them. They're they're not that
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: great defensively, and Musa is gonna be a great defender,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I think one day, but not right now. And I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: just think for me, I know I'm kind of putting
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: them down a little bit because I don't need to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: explain what they are offensively. Everyone knows what New York
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: offers offensively, especially with Jalen Brunson and the guys around him.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Defensively is where I kind of have some question mark,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: especially along the interior. If Mitchell Robinson can have like
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: a big series kind of like how he did last
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: season and like really offers something on the defensive boards,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: which Kat never has had a problem rebounding the basketball.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But as far as like defending the interior, they're gonna
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: need Mitchell Robinson to play in that two man lineup
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like they did last year with Carleton Towns where they
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: really put a lot of teams in trouble. If they
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: can go back to that, maybe I changed my mind
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But if they just haven't really gone
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to that this year only a couple of times, maybe
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they're saving it for the playoffs. But until I do
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: see it, I can only leave them in the contenders
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's just I would say, honestly, man,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like you're saying contenders are conference finals. That's where I'm
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm stuck. I view the Knicks a little
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: bit lower, or you know what, I'll meet you in
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the middle. I'll say contenders here, but I don't feel
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: very comfortable about it for the same reason that you're saying.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can move them in a minute, but
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: as far as right now, like for sure, I think
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: contenders is the good base like because I mean it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is Jalen Brunson, you know, like it is it is yeah, yeah,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and as much as we and I think og is
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: gonna play a very big role in their success, like
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he's had a really good year. And then I do
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: want to see like how like adding Jose Alvarado like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: plays in a factor again, especially against like guys like
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that handle the basketball pretty well.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And I'll say this with the Knicks, they definitely have
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: a lot better as far as just offense in general
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: because last year they only had twenty five open shots
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: a game. Now it's up to thirty three. That means
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that they're actually making real offensive and it's not just
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson dependent or just Jalen Brunson. Hey go get
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: a basket for us.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So they have a rotation. Now you have a deeper rotation.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: They have a rotation. And then Jordan Clark is actually
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: even though he has even though like he has like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a certain Kobe Kobe arc reputation as far as just
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: a shot shot chucker, he's actually very good for the offense.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And I just think that, I just think that the
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: offense it's a lot more reliable now compared to their
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: defensive struggles. And again, Pistons or we'll get to them
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in a second. But yeah, cause this next team right here,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: go and get into it, the Boston Celtics, in which
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: they just beat the fully healthy Oklahoma City Thunder tonight.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I know j W is the second game back, but
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: he had over twenty minutes played in this game.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So thank you Boston, Thank you Boston for that. Because
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Thunder has a couple of tough, tough games to in
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: this season.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: So they got La twice, they got Denver, so yeah,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it's gonna gonna be interesting. But yeah, where do you
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: view the Boston Celtics.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Honestly, you know where I view the Boston Celtics. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I know people are gonna hate on it. They're gonna
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: say no, like Jason Tatum is not the same. What
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: did you expect a guy coming back from a torn
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: achilles gonna look like in his first month? But come
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: playoff time, you really would have Jordan Walsh over Jason Tatum.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Get out of here, dude, give me Jason Tatum. Like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: we know what they offered from the three point range,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we know what they offer defensively. I do think that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: on the interiorized this is where they've been. I think
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: this is one of the years they've been more deceptive
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to being weak on the interior and they are like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we know, you know, is not a good interior defender.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Luca Garza. We've seen him struggle against really athletic bigs.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mean we saw I mean everyone struggle gets wimby,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean, like that's just an example I can
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: think of. But if you get into a matchup where
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you have to guard Evin Mobley, where we have to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: guard like even Jared Allen if he comes back healthy,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns, You're gonna struggle a little bit. So
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I think for me, that's the weakness for them is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the interior once again and rebounding. But we have seen
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: them in the past where it just doesn't matter because
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: if they three is more than two, and they have
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: two of the best offensive players in the entire world
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: on their basketball team right now, especially with Jaylen Brown,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the way he's played this season, who is probably should be.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: If he's not first team All NBA, definitely second team
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: All NBA. And I and I think, for me, honestly
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: fully healthy with Baylor shireman at the helm.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: A flamethrower today, bro give me.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Give me the title faves Boston Celtics.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent with you on this right here,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and and how people they're saying, Oh, Jason Tatum, I
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: think this is his twelfth game back something along these lines.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: In thirty five minutes, nineteen points, twelve rebound, seven assists
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: against one of the best.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Defense base base Jason Tatum right there.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: In the entire league. Yeah, and you know what he
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: said after tonight, Josh, he said he's still rusty. He's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: still rusty and dropping nineteen twelve and seven against the best.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: The floor, that's the floor.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: And like you're saying with Jalen Brown as far as
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: him being one of the best offensive players, you know
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: what that does for Jason Tatum, That makes them focus
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: on all the other things. He could just be a
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: just more focused defender, rebounder, just another glue guy as
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: far as a play play finisher. And like we're saying
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: as far as a drop coverage, yes it is a problem,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: but I don't think there's anybody in the East that
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: can consistently take advantage of it, like the Spurs, like
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the Thunder, like the Lakers. They can So I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: they do have problems when they make it to the final,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: but until that point, I think they should be fairly
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: good in my opinion. But all right, I think this
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: one it's not much conversation with the Oklahoma City Thunder,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: but just if you want to add anything onto here
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: on on title favorites.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't think there's anyone that there needs
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to be explained. We know what they are. They're the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: defending NBA championship. They've only gotten better, you know, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that that's just really what it is, and especially what
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: we've seen in the second half of the season with
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. They continue to win basketball games,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: even though I hope they lose a lot this last
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: week of the seed last two weeks of the season
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: because they don't get that number one seed. We know
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: who gets the MVP. But I do think that they
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: continued their greatness. They've continued there. They're getting better defensively,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Jared McCain. I think his his his transitions to the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: team maybe a little overhyped only because like he's been
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a little up in down, but it does add such
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: another element to their team that they can go to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: as far as like a three point shooter off the bench,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: or you can even slide into a starting role depending
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: on matchup. And then plus AJ Mitchell, now that he's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: healthy and he's been in and out, they're just trying
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to keep him safe till the playoffs comes around, which
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: is understandable. But having him as a secondary ball handler,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: especially coming off the bench, that's gonna prove a lot
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: for their team coming into the playoffs. And plus j Will,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: we don't know what he's gonna look like yet, we
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, but we saw what he did
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: last playoffs, and I do think that even though I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: don't think we should rely on that, we've seen him
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: do it before, and like I do think if he
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: can offer that element once again going into the conference,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: going into the playoffs, and I think they're gonna need
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: it him playing at that high level of gain. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I do think that if there is a player that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: is gonna do it, it will be him. Or even
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: just what chet Holmgren has offered this year. Defensively, we
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: know what the Thunder are there. They should be the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: odds on favorite odds. I don't make the odds, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: they should be the odds on favorite to the championship
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: once again. And that's why they're there. They are a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: title faith.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not gonna say much onto it, but
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, Oklahoma City Thunder, they have the best
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: player in the world over a two year sample size,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and they have the best defense in the league over
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: a two year sample size. And that's just pretty much
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: explained it to you right there, the defending NBA chap.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So not much to get into as far as with
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Thunder discourse. Maybe in a little bit. But Toronto Raptors,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: do you want.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: To talk to some Toronto Raptors bar or just I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: think I think we just leave them in the Maybe
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: we'll just leave the Toronto congratulations from making it onto
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: the top twelve tier list. That's that's that's our discourse
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: for you guys.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Right There only one team in the East so far.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, the Cleveland Cavaliers.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, is interesting. I'll put them in contenders like I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: think I put the Cavaliers, like cleanly right next to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the New York Nick. I do think that I view
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: them kind of in the same tier, Like I don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: view them next to the Boston Celtics, because I do
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: think the Boston Celtics, just what they've been able to
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: do over the years, especially with Joe Missoula, is just
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: too consistent. But as far as like what the Cleveland
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Cavaliers can do with a James Harden handling the rock,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and I hope that Jared Allen really comes back because
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: they get him. If they get him, it changes a lot.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I do think that changes a lot, Especially what James
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Harden was doing with Jared Allen before he got injured.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It just looked like he was made as just a
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: lop threat for James Harden and a big man to
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: get the ball to. But we know one man that
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: does rise in the playoffs, and that's Donovan Mitchell. Donovan
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Mitchell shows up in the playoffs and he puts teams
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: on his backs when he needs to, and I think
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: you can rely on that on a consistent basis. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I do think that there's a couple of new guys
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that they have on their team that really fill in
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of holes that they that they were needing,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: especially along the defensive end as points, So for me,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I put them in the contender spot.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: So I'm actually over the past tour or honestly over
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: this past stretching games. I know they were on a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: four game win streak and then they kind of stumbled
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: as of recently. But I'm not as high on the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Cavs compared to others. I would put him in the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: conference finals because they have been so atrocious without Jared Allen,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: like you're saying, but again, I think Jared Allen. Yes,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: he's gonna fix some defensive problems, but over the past
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: few weeks giving up over one hundred and fifteen one hundred.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Then say about Evan Mobley, Then yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Like that's another thing. Evan Mobley. Okay, I was trying
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to think of it when I was watching the Heat
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: game because they were getting They made it look a
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: little bit closer, but they were getting obliterated by the
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Heat early in the first half. Ma'am was just cooking
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Evan Mobley every single time he got the ball in
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the paint. So good defender, He's a good defender. I'll
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: give him that. There's a reason why he won. He
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: won DPO why right.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a reason because the sixty five game mark.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there is a reason.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So like he's a good defender, but not as good
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: as he's not as good as advertise. So again and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, yes, he does rise and your offense can
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: be good. But as of right now, it sounds crazy.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I take the Knicks defense over the Caves defense as
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: of right now, the Calves they can't stop nobody. I mean,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you could convince me they're a contender, but in all honesty,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: this sounds crazy. I take the Pistons over the Calves
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: as of right.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Now, I can't do that. I can't do that. But
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I can put them in
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the conference finals, like I think they can be a
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: conference finals team, like you sold me on that. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: think we can put them right there. I don't know
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: about that. We'll talk about it in a minute.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Well right now, yeah, it's right now, Yeah, the Pistons. Yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So no, what do you what do you think you know?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You're in the main.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving them in the maybe I'm leaving the truck.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I am not a believer in the Detroit Pistons this season.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And I understand Dennis Jenkins is stepping up kid Cunningham.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Who knows when he comes back, like legit, who knows
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: when Kid Cunningham's gonna walk back onto the basketball court.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think he misses the entirety of the playoffs,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: but he might if he's back by a first round
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: maybe a change of my mind. But even then, I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: think we saw the blueprint. I think they saw the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: blueprint on how to stop the Detroit Piston's offense and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: when if you can just stop the little offense that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: they do offer, because they're also no team has made
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: it to a championship that has had that good of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a defense but also that bad of an offense, like really,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: like it just hasn't happened that way, Like bothie either
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: had to be like middle of the pack or something,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and they just aren't. Like they they are below middle
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of the pack. They are around like the seventh team eighteen,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: like around that time, around that area of offenses in
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the entire NBA. And for me, I just don't rely
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: upon the three point shooting. It just has it just
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: hasn't been consistent enough, maybe you can make the argument
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that their defense is good good enough to hold teams down.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: But if you're talking, if you're saying that you're probably
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: gonna run up against like these lesser teams, and you
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: hope that you can run up against them, maybe, but
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: eventually you're gonna run into a Boston, you're gonna run
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: into New York, you're gonna run into a Cleveland, and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you're really gonna have to really hold these teams down
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that have a lot I hate using the word experience
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: because I don't agree with that as well, but a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: lot more players who know how to get the job
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: done on a consistent basis offensively and have more at
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: their disposal, especially when it comes up just putting the
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: ball in the rim, like they can just put the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: ball in the rim and if you can't match that,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening for the Detroit Pistons.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I do think that the narrative that people try making
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: for the Spurs, like, oh, they're a year too early,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I think the Pistons are too early. Like I think
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that that fits more their narrative than Santonio Spurs based
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: off what we've seen this season.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: So let me try to convince you. I'm I'm not
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: asking for much. I'm saying to put them in the
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: conference finals. Tier again, I say that I picked them
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: over the Cavs. And the reason why I'm saying that
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: is because I've seen in this stretch and even against
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the Hawks. Maybe that convinced me a little bit tonight.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's some recency bias. I don't even care up
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to this point. This is a bias podcast. But their defense,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I view them, okay, I view them not as what
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the Thunder were two years ago. Yeah, what they were
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: two years ago where they have a great defense and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: they then they have an ascending star in which was
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Shay and they lost in the second round versus the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: MAVs where Luca went crazy. I view that kind of
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in the same tier where they were the one seed
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and great defense. Offense is very iffy. I think this
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: is gonna be exactly the Detroit Pistons here, and I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: just think that what they do as fundamentally as a
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: basketball team. They may may not be good offensively, but
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: everything else yea go go ahead, but everything else that
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the Pistons they do. They they're a great rebounding team,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: great defensive team. They're great at three point percentages allowed,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: they're great as far as two's allowed. They just do
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: everything around the margins of what the pistons they're supposed
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to do. So personally me, I would have him in
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the conference finals conference finals here, because yes, Kate Cunningham,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: he's not back, but he should be back before the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: playoff time. And I know it's gonna be something if
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: he words like okay is they're gonna be Russ happening
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: right here with with Kate Cunningham. I'm not necessarily worried
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: because I've seen enough in this sample size where Kate
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: cut or Kate Cunningham could kind of get his feet
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: feedback to him, whether that lasts two, two, three games,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and in that last playoff series, even if it's against
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a shrieky Charlotte team or somebody along those lines, their
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: defense should be enough to do the job. And everybody
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: else has been carrying their way. Tobias Harris has played
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: great as of Lake Kevin Herder revert back time to
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks. Kevin heard these past few games and then
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Dennis Jenkins like we're saying I don't. He's now one
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: of the most effective point guards. He he had like
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: thirty against the Lakers and dropped twenty and ten against
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the Hawks defense, who has been top ten since an
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: All Star break. So that's my appeal to have the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Pistons in the conference finals tier. But if you have
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: him in the maybe tier, I'm fine with that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm sorry now, maybe maybe they're higher. But for me,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I just don't see them getting to the conference finals
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: this season.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I buy that. I buy that. My thinking is
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I see the Calves in the conference final and is.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And is Joel and Beach shut down for the playoffs?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm not sure. I mean, I could see Tyree Smaxy,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Jewel Embiid and Paul George. They'd been giving him a
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: rough series I quick. Also, I just checked Dynasty Basketball
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: right now, tell me why Ryan Rawlins for the Bucks
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: dropped thirty six, four four and two fifty percent shooting
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: from the field and three.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: You sure of the Milwaukee Bugs right there?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: So mine then, whoever Atomics guy is our projection is
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: three thirty one to three twenty five, a six point projection.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: He's projected to win, now, Josh, yeah, I know so?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And yours is a six point projection too. All right,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But this next team we have right here, the Houston Rockets,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: in which so I was keeping up with the game,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you just a little bit of context
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the Rockets. They were on the twelve oh run in overtime,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: and then the Templewolves proceeded to go on a fifteen
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: oh run and win an overtime. So so based on
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: that information, without Anthony Edwards, by the way, they lost
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to the Temple Wolves, where would you have the Rockets at.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving them right here in the Maybe I just
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: don't see it this year. Like I maybe at the
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: beginning of the season, they were touted as, oh, this
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: team could probably make a run for the championship. Is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant signing looked too good? But what we've seen
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: over the last month, month and a half, two months
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a complete falling part of the Houston Rockets. It just
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: has not looked like what they look like. Even at
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, and even when they were
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out who their point guard was going
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to be, they still don't got one. And I do
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: think they had a real big missed opportunity because people
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: are saying, oh, they're just this is a gap year,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: a gap year, and Kevin Durant, who's aging and has
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: one year left on his contract after this. Yeah, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: don't buy that at all. Like, I really do think
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that that was just a cop out. I see what
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: they do offensively, it's not what Kevin Durant led offensive
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: team looks like. I'm sorry, Like this team just does
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: not look like what they're supposed to do. And Kevin
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Durant's probably had one of his most rough stretches of
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: his entire basketball career offensively over this last month. I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: understand he still puts up in good numbers, but there's
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: times where, like today he went oh for eight for
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: a while, you know, like he didn't score a single
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: point for a long time. Versus a couple of other teams,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: he just gets a double, team, has to make a
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: pass out, doesn't make the right decision turnover. Their teams
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: are starting to figure out how to beat the Houston
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Rockets with Kevin Durant and him, when alpri and Singoon,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been two players whose skill
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: sets do not match up almost at all, and they're
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: two really great offensive players. And then Singoon defensively has
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: become a liability, and their defense without Steven Adams has
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: really taken a hit. And and I know Amen, we
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: love Amen. Amen's just not ready, Like I don't think
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: he's ready for these moments like this, Like especially not
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: being able to shoot the basketball from anywhere is a
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: real problem, like for the Houston Rockets team. Yeah, and
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I do think once this playoff starts, maybe they can
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: play physicality, deep physical defense like they can because they
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: had a good defensive matchup versus the minnesot Tamils for
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a majority of this game, like they were really shutting
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: him down. But if you have to rely upon that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and also scoring consistently, I just don't see it right now,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Like I haven't seen it. And until someone can step
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: up and really get this offense moving, I don't see it.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Because Reed Sheppard is a liability on defense, Teams just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: constantly rotate on him, hoping to get him one on
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: one with their big with their big arts and also
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and also when he passes half court, they send bodies
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: at him, and like it really makes job, makes the
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: job hard if he's not hitting consistently from three or
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: creating some big shots and Spurts. He's really kind of
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a liability out there as well for the Houston Rockets.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and for much of the same reason
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: that you're saying. It's just funny with im and Thompson.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: He's a great around basketball player. He just doesn't do
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: from very very first thing you're taught whenever you grow up,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: shoot the basketball at a good level. I mean compared
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: to us. Obviously he could shoot the basketball great, but
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: compared to the entire.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: No.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the Rockets, it's just defensively, even like they
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: have to pick their poison, like you're saying, if they
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: want more offense, reed Sheppard, he's on the court, but
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: then he struggled so much defensively. But if they want
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: their defensive specialists, you can't even take an I'm and
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Thompson off the court because he's usually in the dunker
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: spot and usually that great rebounder. He's usually the point
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: of attack defender, so you can't even take him off
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: the court. And it's just it's just clunky. And then compared,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: even if you put the Rockets in the Eastern Conference,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I'd be perfectly fine taking the Celtics the Knicks over
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the Rockets. In all honesty and compared to even I
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: think this next team we're gonna talk about, you put
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: them in the Eastern Conference. I think there's no doubts
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, and let's go in and get into
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: this last team right here. The Denver Nuggets so been
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: very up and down. Injuries have been really bad for them.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: So how do you feel about the Nuggets?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I think, for me, I still have them in the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: contender spot. Who knows, I think you would agree as well.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think there's gonna be a disagreement. Maybe
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: there might be, but I do think that having paying Wall,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I think what right now, they're just walking trying to
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: get to the finish line of the regular season right now,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and I think payon Watson. He's hurt, so they're not
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: playing him on back to back and back to back games.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: But I do think getting him back at the right time,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: finally having Aaron Gordon back, Jamal Murray went crazy tonight,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Nicola Jokicic and we know there's not really much better
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: teams than the Denver Nuggets when playoff time comes around.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: They've showed it multiple years in a row. They have
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: arguably the best player in the world, whose offensive game
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: is on match to probably most people in the NBA history. Yeah,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: so I still trust that they are gonna have And
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I like Jonas Valentnas for this team too, So I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: really do think that they have probably one of the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: better teams going into the playoffs. I know they're really
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: banged up, but I do think they'll they'll get healthy,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: They'll be healthy by the time the big games roll around.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they might even.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Get lucky with seating. A let's say both the Thunder
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and Spurs are like, let's just sit our teams, you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: let's just sit edwards that end of those those ends
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: of the season matchup, they could walk away with two
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: free dubs, you know, and maybe make their seating a
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: little bit better.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And then the Lakers they have a tough schedule these
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: last few games, so they can't easily end up snap
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: in the three seed. So yeah, no, I'd have them contenders.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And just they've had so many injuries this year, whether
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it's been Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray has actually been the
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: healthiest player for this For this team.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: They put my first team and the contenders is like
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: for sure, like they would be my first team in
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the contenders, I would like, I.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Would say Lakers, that's but again that's nitpicking right there.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: But I understand the Nuggets Again, the best two man
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: game over the past over the past three four years
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: has been Jamal Murray, Nikola Jokic, and I think what's
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: been missing with them the entire year is Aaron Gordon.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Now that they have Aaron Gordon who could actually shoot
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: the three, and he's a versatile defensive anchor specialist just
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: in general, he does so yeah, and he just does
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: so much. And now he's a reliable three point shooter.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: And I think Cam Johnson he's finally finding his role
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: as in this team. Again, they haven't been healthy, so
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: it's really been struggling. And I know there's different stats.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Has saved picked it up a lot, Cam Johnson has
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: picked it up a lot towards the end of the season.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: No, he has, and just I know there's gonna be
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: some stats as far as oh, well, in the clutch
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: this they they don't look as good there, I think
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: like eighteen and nineteen something like that in the clutch.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: But again, they haven't been healthy and even whenever they
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: have been on the court, they don't know how to
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: play necessarily the game of basketball with each other. So again,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: we're starting to see their groove right now. So yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the Nuggets are definitely scary, but I think I think
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: this is a pretty good list right here. I wouldn't make.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: People might think we're crazy for the Detroit Pistons, though,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I will say probably. I mean, hey, I I had
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the Piston, but if Kate is hurt, but if Kate
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: isn't coming back, I mean.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Well it said Cade should come back, he should come
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: back before the playoffs start, like a couple games.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So okay, here's here's how I'd have the Maybe I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: wouldn't change any of this. I'd have Detroit.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: One above both those teams.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, I'd have it like that. I'd
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: have it. I'd have it like that. And all right,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I'll just I'll just saving this. Will we kind of
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: get a screenshot of it? But all right now, time
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: to get to this MVP debate right here.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Which and like if we were if we were to
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: do it like without conference, like an idea, I would
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: have Denver above Boston, like if there wasn't like a
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: conference to worry about, you.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Know, honestly, I would have, okay, see San Antonio, Denver,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: and LA all over Boston or the first East team
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: am I I would honestly, I could argue Minnesota over Boston.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I mean they just went into Boston and be Boston
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: without anthemy.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah but this, but the separation of conferences makes it. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: they have a better chance at winning the championship, you know.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, compared to them. Yeah, but yeah, no time to
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: get to this MVP conversation right here. So all right,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: let's make this.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Let's make we could eliminate one man right now.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I meane technicality, yeah we can. I mean, I just
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: want to say, Kate Cunningham. I don't even know if
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: he's going to get an All NBA spot, but he's
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: had a great year.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: He deserves it. Just clap it up. Clap it up
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: for Kate Cunningham.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Clap it up for Kate Cunningham before we gladly eliminate
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: you from this right here. All right, that just looks
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: aesthetically more pleasing right there.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they put him next to Jalen Brown.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Because I think it's just five. I think that's the
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: only thing I guess.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: All right, So first, where do you want to start
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: with this.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, but like we could put MVP favorite, we.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Could put MVP case yeah, and then put m had
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: it low chance mm hmm, one chance.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, and I think we already know one. We could
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: already put in one percent chance right here.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be Jayalen Brown. I think, Okay, Jalen
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Brown deserves a real clap it up. Though, Like Jalen
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Brown deserves a real clap it up.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: He's an amazing year from Dalen Brown.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, like he definitely deserves first Team All NBA.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh, it's if Kate, if kid was healthy,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: there would be a debate, like a real debate debate.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: But what Jaylen Brown was able to do this season
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: with the with the Boston Celtics without Jason Tatum, teams
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: with them off thought they should even trade Jalen Brown,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: thought they should even trade Derek White, just blow it
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: up and restart, rebuilt this year, retool. But what did
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: he do? He just kept them none other but the
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: number two team in the entire Eastern Conference, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: like he and at times could they were argued the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: best team in the Eastern Conference. And I do think
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: what he's able. He showed his real offensive talent that
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: has not been able to be seen pretty much at
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: all in his career until like the until the Championship
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: when he won the NBA Finals MVP, But he really
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: showed that he can be a three level scorer. And
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: what he has really been for them is an interior
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: like he been able to get to the rack more
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: than anybody on the team. He's been able to get
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: into the interior at will and create miss a really
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: real opportunity on the inside when it comes to scoring
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: for his basketball team, which is something I don't think
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of people really gave credit to him for
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: his athleticism and being able to do that, and then
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: plus what he offers defensively. He may not be that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that top defender like he probably used to be, but
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: he's still like guards way better than most people in
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: the entire NBA, and he obviously he's one of the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: best two way players in the entire NBA.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was just thinking of that comment whenever
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: he said I'm obviously the best defensive player in the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: league if you don't count winby I was just thinking
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: of that. Coped he made no but like you're saying,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: twenty and a half points, seven rebounds, five assists, that's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: on forty eight percent, shooting thirty five percent from three
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: to eighty percent from the charity strike. So he's he's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: been easily one of the most impactful players and showing that. Honestly,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: he was worth that contract. I think it was what
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: sixty five million something along those lines. Whenever he got
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: paid that contract, it was something where people that are
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: real skeptical about but he's worth every single opinion. Again
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of obviously we know a bunch of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: these guys now the Boston Celtics as the years went on,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: and obviously Joe Mozula is great at developing talent, but
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown helped these guys. The Baylor shireman's the key
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: to the sam howse I know he was there last year,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: but all these guys, he's.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Jordan Walsh, Jordan Garza.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Like he had them blossom into their role and he
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: raised the floor. And now this is the reason why
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: they have a real shot to go to the title.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Hugo Gonzalez, bro you.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, Like he really made this team better,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Like I think all those players developed into great role
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: basketball players. And then even like I think pay and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Pritchard had to have a bigger role this season, like
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: and and the reliance on Jalen Brown to allow him
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: to play some big time and it's Derek White, you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: like they they all worked off of each other, but
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it all started with Jaylen Brown. Like Jaalen Brown definitely helped.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Without Jalen Brown, this team is probably sitting right next
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to I still think they're probably better than I'd say
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: they'd be like a four round. I think they'd be
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: around Chicago without Jaylen Brown.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Oh without Jayleen Oh yeah for sure. Yeah yeah, without
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown. Yeah, no, i'd buy that.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I think they can eke out like twenty five wins
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: without with the team that they have without Jaylen Brown,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: like Peyton Pritchard and Derek White.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I'd say Derek White, he's he's been balling. I think
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Derek White he's bound to have him a couple thirty
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: burgers and win some games. No, but okay, what are
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: you a sell? What do you want to go? Where
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: do you want to go next? Right here?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Take me somewhere, bro, Just take me somewhere, bro, take
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: me on a date, buy me some dinner. Let me know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Let's let's do it. Let's get it, get into the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: tough conversations. Come on, let's do it.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's go Shay, Let's go Shay. He he
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: has to be the MVP.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Fans to be, has to be a MVP favorite. Yeah, okay, An,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say this again. He's been the most
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: consistent guy the entire year. You know how the conversations went.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: The entire year. Sure, it was Nicola versus Shaye, Kate
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Cunningham versus Sit Shae, Jalen Brown versus Shae. Then we
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: had Luka, Donciz versus Shaye, Wemby versus Shaye. You know
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the common denominator there, Shaye. Shaye has been the most consistent.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: If you ask me, and I'll say this, Shae.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I know these other guys, they've had these crazy stretches.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Wimby's had a crazy stretch since February, Lucas had a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: crazy stretch for the past three weeks. Just last week
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: the Midge Yeah, Nicola yogis beginning of the year. But
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: all Shay has done the entire year has dropped thirty
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: one and a half points a game, four rebounds and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: six and a half assists, where he's obviously become the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: best passer, and not to mention that this has been
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: the most injured the Thunder have been over the past
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: couple of years. I'm trying to find this right now.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: As far as how many times they miss. Oh yeah,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Jalen Williams has only played twenty six games. AJ Mitchell
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: forty eight games, Isaiah harven Stein thirty eight games, Alex
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Cruz so forty seven games.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I mean fair to be sixty games to be fair,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Last year their desired lineup only played fourteen games together.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Last for the most part, they were still they
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: were still relatively healthy. It was just a couple of pieces.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: It was just harven Stein. But Shaye has He's in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: my opinion, this is clear cut. Even though there's one
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: guy that I say honestly has the best case to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: which I know you're gonna get to in a second,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: but yeah, no, it it has to be Shae from No.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: He's definitely the MVP favorite by everybody else, Like I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: can see, like I give respected respectors do SGA's amazing
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: at basketball? What he's able to do as like one
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: of the best two way players in the NBA. He's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: not guarding the best player on the court, but he's
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: definitely contributing on defense, and it's it's really a plus
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: to his basketball team, not a minus compared to some
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: of these other guys like a Luca Dongis, like a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Nikola jokicch like where I do think that he can
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: still offer defensively some help and then we know what
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: he is offensively, just an efficient masterclass off play, greatest offense,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest offensive players we've ever seen, just
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: being able to when it comes to zero to eighteen feet,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: there's no one better in the entire probably in the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: history of basketball than Shay Yiog just Alexander. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you can argue a couple of players, but what he's,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: what he's able to do in a historical basis, we'll
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: probably just got to give respect or respect his due
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: when you break Wilt records, that you're doing something right.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, honestly, Yeah, that's best way to cap it
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: off right here. But okay, since we kind of have
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: our two separate tiers, right and we have one in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: the middle, let's go hit and I'm pretty sure this
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: is gonna stay the same. Right here, Let's go in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: and debate who should be at the left because we
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: know we obviously read things left to right here. So
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: who has the best MVP case out of these three candidates.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously a seven foot five alien named Victor Winbinyama
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: has the best case. And we know why because we
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: were talking about gravitational pool. Let's just defense. There's only
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: one player in the NBA histories that is more dominant
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: than this guy, Bill Russell. And he played against your
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: he played against your dad, he played against your dad. No,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, there's not one player that has
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: more of a defensive presence in their era than Bill,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: then Vicker Wombenyama, and that's Bill Russell. And if you're
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: in a category with Bill Russell, you're doing something right.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: But even just look at as a whole, as far
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: as blocks that matter, he is like plus two over
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the next person, which is like I think the Kimba
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Matumbo and like like. And then in rebounds that matter,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: he's first by far, like compared to anyone, like plus
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: six to the next guy. And then if we even
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: look at and this is just taking defensive players in history,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: like this defensive player of the years in history, He's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: above each and every single one of them by far.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: There's they're the best defense in the entire NBA when
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: he's on the court. And there has to be a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Wimby stat that gets created, or you can even call
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: it a go bear stat because even he gets this
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: as well. Is that when a player runs the basket
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: with the basketball and runs the other direction and the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: guy that get does that the most, it's Victor Winmbinyama.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: There's not a more. He's the most dominant player in
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: the entire NBA, and you can argue in history at
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the defensive end, and it's shown. We saw what he
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: did to bam at a Bio and the Miami Heat,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: a team that likes three. Yeah, he shut that entire
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Go back and watch that game. He shut that. That's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: what will show you how dominant Weinby is defensively. He
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: shut that entire game down. And he's done that game
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: night in and night out consistently. I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: let's look at the offensive end. People say twenty four
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: and eleven three assists not great numbers. Wimby knows that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: as well, But it's much more than just scoring the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: basketball on the offensive end. Sure, he scores twenty four points,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: gravity there's not a more impact even more impactful than
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Shay Gilg's Alexander on the offensive end. No one creates
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: more open opera tunity for their teammates since Stephen freaking
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Curry then their basketball team. You know why because if
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: you go and watch the basketball games on a pick
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: and roll situation, there's not another player who's getting three
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: out of five defenders to follow him to the basket
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: because his catch radius is bigger and better than Calvin
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Johnson against Brent Grimes, Like it's it doesn't even matter.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Victor Wiben Yama is the is the best vertical option
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: in the entire NBA because he can pick and pop,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: he can roll to the basket. Like you said, the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: best lop threat in NBA history. We saw it tonight.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: He was dunking and yamin gg Jackson got one on
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Wimby and they decided to turn around the other court
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and just jump them on the offense like he just
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: like it just wasn't happening. But the thing is, he
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: creates the most open three point shots in NBA history,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: NBA history since the three point line was created. He
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: creates more open shots for his teammates than anybody in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: NBA history. And also when he scores four plus threes,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the Spurs are undefeated. The Spurs do not lose, and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: with Wimby on the court, the best offense in NBA history,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: they are averaging one hundred and twenty five plus points
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: per game with Victor Winmbanyama on the court and holding
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the opposing team to in the modern NBA to around
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: one hundred points per game. You know how dominant that is.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I was telling somebody. I was telling y'all one time
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: that when Victor Wombenyama reaches his peak, and that's gonna
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: be around twenty eight to thirty points per game, over,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: it's over. It's over for the entire NBA because he
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: only has to average twenty seven points per game for
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: him to be the most dominant specimen in the entire
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: sports in entire sports history. And that's just a fact.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And he's already doing this to this level while only
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: averaging twenty four leading the best offense, the best defense,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: the best everything. Since February first, no one has impacted
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: basketball more than Victor Winbinyama, and that is why he
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: is the NBA's MVP this season.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Definitely got to clip that right there. I mean Wimby,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: he's again, out of these three guys he defense.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I don't care what Luca does on defense. I don't
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: care what Shae do. I mean what Luca does on offense,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: what Jokis does on offense, what Shaye does on offense,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: It's not the same as to what Wimby does on defense.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Many players have scored thirty points per game
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: in NBA history, not many points. Many players in NBA
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: history have impacted the defensive end, like Victor winbin Yama.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Just take that into account. Just take that into account. Guys.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I think you made a great point. Whenever you're saying
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: when a defensive player gets compared to Bill Russell, that's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: when that's when you know you're in some unprecedented charts
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: right there. And I just want to talk about as
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: far as Wimby again, he's getting underrated as far as
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: what he does, like like you're saying, for the offensive
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: production that he does. And again it's gonna take away
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: with him having Deer and Fox, Stephan Castle Dylan Harper,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: even Devin Vasell.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of mouse to feed.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: There's a lot there's a lot of mouse to feed.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: So he's not gonna have the crazy stats like a shade,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: like a Luca, not necessarily saying he has the better
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: supporting but just offensively, you have more individual guys who
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: could create their own shot. And maybe he won't get
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: the assists, but if they made a stat as far
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: as for they call it a hockey assist whenever it's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: a second pass until the whenever the play was finished,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Wemby would lead the league by far
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: in those type of assists right there, and over the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: past twenty two games. I know you talked about it.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: The past twenty two games on the court, one hundred
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: and twenty five defensive rating, won a one defensive rating,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: and then twenty four point one net rating. That means,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: on average, they're beating a team by twenty four points.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: And whenever he's off the court, a one to ten
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: offensive rating, one to fourteen defensive rating, and a minus
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: three net rating. So every time he's on the court,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: they're excuse my language, kicking teams ass by twenty five points.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: And then whenever he's off the court, they're losing by three.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: It just shows the drastic difference between having Wimby on
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: the court.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Again, there's still a damn good basketball team when he's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: off the court. Yeah, they're just h a million times
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: better with the court.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just Winby. He's he's different, and he's finally
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I think in So in March now he's up to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: the twenty seven point clip, fifty two percent from the field,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: thirty nine percent from three to sixty six percent true shooting,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: eleven rebounds, averaging almost four blocks a game in March.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: So this is about eleven twelve game sample size, So
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: this is about an eighth of the season right here
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: and again from March. I'm I'm gonna go ahead and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: say this. I don't feel like this is a bold
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: take at all. If he does next season from what
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: he's done in February and March up to this point,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: if he does that next season, even for a fifty
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: game sample size, he's gonna win the MVP. I don't
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: care whatever Shay or Luca or Jokic has next year,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: if they average a triple double. If Wimby has that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: next year, I promise you they're winning sixty five plus
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: games and there's not an MVP debate in.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: All Honestly, almost had a triple double with blocks again
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: tonight and set out the entire fourth quarter.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean after after the first quarter, what was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: it like thirty to eleven something like that versus the Grizzlies.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's just not even fair at this point.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm with you on this. As far
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: as Wimby, he's he has the best case against Shaye
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: by far. But all right, these last two right here,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Luka Doncic and.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: He beat him for one and then they beat the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Thunder four to one this year.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did beat Thunder four one.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Oh and one more. One last thing on the MVP.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: You want to know why Victorinamos the MVP. Go back,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: go back to the first matchup of this season when
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Victor Minyama only played No was it Christmas Day or
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: was it the first matchup? It might have been the first.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: It was one of the first three matchups with the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Spurs won. Victor Winmanyama was on a minute restriction. San
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs were down double digits in that game. It
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: looked like it was about to be your runaway game
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: once again for the Oklahoma City Thunder. But then one man
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: came in and was and went on an eleven games
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: on an on an eleven to zero run. Let the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Charge only played twenty one minutes in that entire basketball
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: game and utterly dominated the Oklahoma City Thunder by himself.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: That's the MVP of the league. That's when you can
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: have that much of an impact while only playing twenty
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: minutes of basketball. And to be fair, Wemby ain't averaging
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: close to the same minutes that these guys are averaging.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying Wemy's only Wemby's only playing thirty five,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: thirty three minute, thirty four minutes per game. Take that
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: into account. Just take that into account when we were
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: talking MVP. He's not even playing the entirety of what
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: they're playing.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're playing a good thirty eight thirty nine minutes
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: now now to this point. Yeah, no, But I mean
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: it's it's a good case again if if Shae wasn't
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: doing what he's doing this year. Again, this is Shay
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: He's doing Steph Curry type of stuff this year. I mean,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: I know, Ryan, he would get into it. He's he's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: the thunder guy on this one, but he'd get into
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: like it's comparable to Steph what Shay's doing this year.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: And it's not even I mean, I just said, Wimby, yeah,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: it is better than Steph at what what we would
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: compare to. So I'm just saying, I mean creating open
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: shots for teammates.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: How I'm how I feel about this is that I
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: think it's damn near like it's no disrespect to Wimby
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: or anything else. But I think it's no as she
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: as she.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm just I'm just a Spurs fan.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna defend Wimby to.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: The it's a good case. I would as far.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: As s a s as gosh. I love basketball and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: I just love watching it. I hate the Thunder, but
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I love basketball plays some damn good basketball. That's all
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get for me, That's all I'm saying. But
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: because I despised home that guy, I'll wear your shoes.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I'll wear s g as.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: But all right, Luca and Jokic, where would you have
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: these two guys ranked right here for the respective third
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: and fourth slot.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it like this, are you gonna move
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Wimby up to m v P favorite.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: But or love let me let me do this. I'm
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: gonna go go ahead and say what you gotta say.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: But the daddy no, But dang, dude, I just think
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: what Luca I understand. I think had the lead on
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: him a lot of these guys, for like at the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: beginning of the year, But what Luca has been able
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: to do over the stretch, and really will this Los
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers team back to consideration of title contenders as.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: I do seasonal case like because Jokic was at the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: beginning of the season, or how would I yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: But maybe too little, too late, or or like I
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: don't know, we get what we're trying to say.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, go go ahead. I didn't mean to cut
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: you off.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: I think as far as Luca, what he's been able
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: to do and really will some of these Lakers team wins,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: and then also averaging over thirty points per game in
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: his efficiency that he's been able to do it this
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: season it has been one of his most efficient seasons
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: of his career. And then also what he's been able
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: to do as far as the Lakers getting to where
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: they're at now, and that's a three seed. I think
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: that plays a lot of dividends. I do think Jokich's injuries,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Jokic having a couple of bad stretches and after coming
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: back from injury, and then plus Luca's been kind of
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: good defensively, Like he hasn't been great, but he's been good.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: And I think Jokic still kind of is a problem sometimes.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: No, I okay, So I have some stats. Well I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: thought I had right here, So yeah, Luca since January,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: so this is a pretty this is a three month
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: sample size, almost four up to this point. Since almost April,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: he's averaging thirty thirty three points, eight assists, eight rebounds,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: two stills, seventy five percent from the free throw line,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: forty percent from three, and fifty percent from the field.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: And like you're saying, Jokic, since Jokic has been bad, okay,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm comparing this to Nicola Jokic standards. He has not
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: been the same Nicola Jokis that we've been used to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: seeing over these past this past week, he has.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: But so about I mean, it's crunch time, baby, like
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: you gotta.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crunch time, And okay, without it, without including
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: these last two three games, because when I found the stats,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: whenever Jokic has returned, they've been eleven and twelve. They've
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: they've had a one fifteen defensive rating and a four
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: and a four point two net rating, which is twelfth
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: in the league. And then obviously OFFENSEI rating they still
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: have a one to eighteen. But Jokic, he hasn't been
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: as effective as late, and he's had more turnovers. He
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: usually has the twenty fifteen to ten ten assists, but
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: it's been twenty fifteen ten and seven turnovers. And again,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: whenever you're comparing this to the Shay Wimby, Luka and Jokic,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: those small margins matter, and the records they matter. In
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: the Western Conference. There's a reason why the top four
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: MVP candidates they're all in the Western Conference up to
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: this point, and the seeding matters. If Nikola Jokic was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: a two seed right now, then well I don't even
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: know if I'd put him over Wimby up to this point,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: but then he'd have a better case over Luca. I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: just think whoever has the three seed up to this point,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have that third tier or that third. Yeah,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: that's how I view it.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: But like we're nitpicking, like we're not even like these
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: are dude, I love basketball. I'm gonna say again, I
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: just love these guys like you. This. I think this
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: shows why Luca I said I have said in the past.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: If Luca can just play a little defense, yeah, he's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the best player in the world. Like obviously I think
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Wimby's the best player in the world. But like you
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like like he he's better, and
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Shaye he's better than Jokic, like because his offensive his
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: ability to score is on match and in on parallels
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to anyone in NBA history, Like you know, like like
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I understand Shaye is efficient. He's efficient, but as a
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: three level score and just putting the ball in the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: in the whole, Luca, Luca is on another.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: To Don bro to Don. Like if Luca he could
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: do this in the play I mean, well, he's done
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: this since February first, I mean started to go nuclear.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: He's done this in the playoffs though, Yeah, he's done
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: this exactly. That's what makes us, that's what makes us scary.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: And Luca he shoots about twelve threes a game. So again,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: if he's If he's shooting forty percent from three, then
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: that means he's gonna knock down five, at least five
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: or six threes. And I'm pretty sure there's a similar
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: set out there to how if women makes four three
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: a game, the game's over. If Luca, I'm pretty sure
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: it makes four to five threes in a game, you're
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: not gonna stop him because again, like like you mentioned,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: or like I mentioned earlier, he could score like Shay,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: he could pass like Yolkic, and he has a three
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: point shot that both of those guys do not have.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: So so again, Luca, he could be or as of
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: this point, if we're just saying, hey, over the past month,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: who's the best player in the world, not including anything
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: else that's happened, I would say Luka Doncic, and I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: think it's a very strong case.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I can see that I disagree, but I can see that.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: I wonder why you disagree, But okay, I'll just leave
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: him a quick second. So again, the only thing is.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Why is in Stefan Castle on this list. That's the
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: only thing I'm worried about.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: This thing is pretty cool. There's no sponsor not to
• 1:24:55
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• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: these all these differences.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: That boy Kenny Kenny left my boy stef On Castle
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: off of off of an all defensive team, all three
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched this video yet.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always thought that was pretty disrespectful. I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: thought that was pretty disrespectful. But whatever.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he definitely should have been on defensive team.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I can't think right now.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Not even the third team is crazy.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Who do you have on the third team?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know you got Cason Wallace
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: on there.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Case and Wallace is good. We got we got that,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: not not, but he's good. We gotta do that. We
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: gotta do some reaction type of videos. I mean, I'm
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: pretty sure make it more interesting whenever we have free time.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: But okay, let's get to the let's get to the
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: game right here. We did our m vps as of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: right now. Again, there's that. Then we did our tier list.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: But now, which one did you want to do? There's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: there's different games, blind two start, bench cut, blind rank.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Let's do blind rank, blind rank.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do this. Okay, oh man, that's the category.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: It doesn't show category players draft us since twenty twenty.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: We could choose the category if we want to.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I like this one. Let's try this one first.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, Zachary, I'm sorry, second to last, second to last.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna put him all the way twenty. Let's
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: put who's been since twenty twenty? I mean this, This
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean first round pick.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I mean Scoot. Would you rather have Scoot or Zachary?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: RICI say, I'm just saying.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather have reci shit, Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, the at three? Do you think three?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: You think we're gonna get heavy?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, he has to be at the very No no, no, no,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: I mean three, I mean like three, like like sec
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: like there we go. Yeah yeah, okay, right there, That's
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: where I'm at.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, Scotty Barn Scotty, Okay.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I think we got to put him right below right right?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm perfectly fine with that.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Because how is this How is this like game is
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: based off draft position or is it gazed off of
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: like how their careers have panned out.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing how their careers have panned out.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: But he can't he can't go above, kid, he can't
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: go above kid, that's his thing.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you can argue saying he's.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: He's been to a champion. He's been to a championship. Also,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: has he ever been competing for first team All NBA
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: and MVP. I don't think so.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, and then technically Scotty Barnes is gonna get
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: an All NBA over Tyre's Halliburns so tech.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: All Defensive and All defensive and.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: All offensive team. So I mean, oh man, I hate
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: doing that. But Emmanuel quickly.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, Last, I'm okay with Last. I'm okay with Last.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Or he's had a decent he's had a decent.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I put him right above, right above LaMelo.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I mean he's between one of these two.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I think below Tyres. I think we can put him
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: below Tyres.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, okay, I'm perfectly fine with that.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Ah No, okay above quickly above Emmanuel quickly, I like
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: or No.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm and Thompson has to go right here.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: But I just hate, Oh that's a star.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a sorry. Yeah, yeah, put it.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: I have him over easily. Last.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I mean okay, yeah, okay, we can put him last.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I think we probably does more.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: As as a shooter too as a shooter also.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: Right now, okay, see there we go. See we have
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Stefan Castle. That's all we left us open.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: We okay, we have to being in the bottom. Being
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: in the bottom is crazy. But alright, dude, we we
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: say first, put them first, put him first, you know what.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: You know what, Let's put him first. I promise you.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: We're not going to see anybody else better, not just
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: kidding you did?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Oh shoot?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Oh come on? Who who could be? Somebody that's between
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: a Caid Stephan cast alright, alright, alright, alright, Alex. Sorry,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: I liked that.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: My two, my two, two of my favorite players are
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: in the first two.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: Perfect. Let's let's we lost off those.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: We lost off of those for sure. Yeah, I know
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: we did. Caid probably should have went first, went first.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Shout out to our six seven. All right, let's play
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: a different game. Let's see we can do a different
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: game or a different category. I don't care.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: All right, there's blind two. Start bench cut. Let's let's
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: go start bench cut. Let's see.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, start bench cut. Oh, I'm starting John Stockton. I'm
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: starting John Stockton.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: No, you're starting John Stockton.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: You can build more of a team around John Stockton,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: I think, or honestly.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: You could build a great team around Steve Nash.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: You could build a great team around Steve Nash. But
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: John Stockton is the better defensive player.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: You think a six to one John Stockton is guardian
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Darren Williams. Utah, Darren Williams, you.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Know what, give me Steve Nash. Let's start Steve Nash.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: Let's start Start Nash.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: I'll start Steve Nash. But ah, this is gonna be discourse.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, bench cut Stockton or Russell Westbrook. I'm sorry,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I had I want my offense or okay, we can
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: make this argument work. You want a boost off the bench,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: instant offense, excitement, keeping the offense going, or someone that's
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: gonna keep it steady when the offense is doing good,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: someone that you can rely upon. Dar this, I'm benching.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: I'm benching John Stockton, and I'm cutting Russell Westbrook.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: I hate it because I agree with you so much,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: but I just feel like we could argue this.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: A lot, a lot. There's gonna be there's gonna be
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: a white man that gets really this is mad about
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: this list?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Twelve percent of people so they have they have Steve
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Nash last.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Twenty nine percent, Steve Nash seven seconds or less, three
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: point shots getting you the second mid range.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: He has the most accolades that have passed on the ball.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's a two time MVP, and we're not
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: gonna start him. Okay, bro get out of here.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: They're starting Russ. I can't believe. Okay, Russ, I see
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: that being first John Stockton, Steve Nash.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Dang, Okay, I'm sorry, Okay, I'm starting Tyres Maxey. Who's cutting.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: I'm cutting Stefan and benching Baron Davis.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: You're benching Baron Davis. I don't know why I can't
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: remember Baron Davis right now. This is Wizard's Baron Davis. Right,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: are we talking?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I mean Warriors Warriors?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right this Let's let's see. Let's see. You
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: have Stephan Marbury binged.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: That's just based off name value.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, because a lot more people know Stephan.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I can't really make a I can't really make a
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: real argument for Baron Davis or Stephan Marbury. But I
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: know I'm taking Tyre.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Over both of those guys. Yeah, oh, this is.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: I'm cutting John Moran that's for my team chemistry.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, to start a team.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: You want, I would start, I would. I would god
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Aaron Fox, but also a big man that can stretch
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: the floor and you can put more players around him
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: and hide his defensive ability. I think I might go
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: cat to start and bench de Aaron Fox. That's me id.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I just think you can build up more of a
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: team around a big man that can stretch the floor
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: and play and score at all three levels.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I buy it. But like also like a defensive anchors,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: usually your center. And then Okay, so we had consensus
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: as far as no one wants Jaw. Did anybody start Jaw? No?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean the worst that they or the best they
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: did was bench him. All right, Next one starts Stephan Castle.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Signments. Okay. I think it's just debay on the experience,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. Or let's let's see about something else. What is
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: the blind too?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Blind blind too? What is that?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: I think this is the duos?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Jalen Johnson.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: For the audio listeners, blindly ranked pairs of players are
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: the best the worst, without knowing who's coming next. This
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: is six different spots. So Jalen Johnson, Jonathan Kaminga.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I feel like I could only rely upon
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: one part of that. Yeah, I'm going to say I'm
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: going because Kaminga, this is too small of a sample sized.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is our second or first?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, magic and second?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Go second, We're going, I mean, one, won a championship,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: one of the best picking or two. I would say two. Yeah,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: I'm comfortable.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Second your kitchen Murray, yo, kitchen Mary will be second.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can get a walk away with the Robinson
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: and Duncan or okay, Jordan and Pippen first or first?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Like allowed time got lucky? Third stalking him alone?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Whoa, Okay, there's a there's a certain guy.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: But you know what, just for this right here? Oh
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: my gosh, where can you? Fourth?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, we gotta go forth? I guess through the last? Okay, last? Okay, No,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: I love I love this first.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: First, It's like they know they know you were a
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Sperst fan. They knew it. Let's see analyze.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: In the eighties, Hi, eighties, we gotta be there seventy
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: How much better could we have done? Like, I mean,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: I get that we didn't know Wimby and Fox were
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be last. They put Johnson. But I was really
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: holding on to the fact that there was two worst
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: players than Jalen Johnson. Like that's what I was gonna
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: go for.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, Nicole Jokis and Jamal Murray. They're the most
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: winnings or second winning.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: I would rather have your kitchen Murray over Stalking Malone. No,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Witki and Kid. I'm sorry, not over Wimby and Fox,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: but you.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: Know, I mean Jalen Johnson and coming over Wimby and Fox. Hey,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: this is this is Josh's This is Josh's one right here? Okay,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: how do we redo this? Do I just have to
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: click it again? I guess so, oh dang new Paris tomorrow. Okay, Okay,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna have to.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I think you can go. We'll mess with it later,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But okay, keep last cup four? Yeah, last thing,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: keep for a cut four? Okay, we we do any
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: of this? So this is gonna be trial.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, right here, Alonso morning, Are we gonna cut an
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: NBA Hall of Famer.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: One a defensive player, player of the Year.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: But consistent enough throughout the entirety of his career to
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: keep him Mm hmm.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Like, are we we don't even know what's next, Like
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: this is our first time doing this, this could.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Be we gotta keep it a Hall of Famer. We
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: gotta keep a Hall of Famer, and.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Then we'll keep it pushing from there. Keep.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's Kevin Garnett.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, we have to keep keep. We we are
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: screwing ourselves.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Cut. I'm cutting it.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: We have to cut.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Cut, then, Wallace.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: I would like to save the last spot. I would
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: I would cut.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with cutting, okay, as as a keep honest,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: I'm keeping you honest. Bro, I'm sorry.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you know who's gonna pop up.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be like Jordan or something.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: No, David Robinson, David Robinson, of course, the Admiral. Of course,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: it's the Spurs again. At the end, we got course sorry,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: which is just in this podcast, which is just in
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: this podcast. They want I want.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: This thing is just trolling you right now, Josh oh Man.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: This this is a good pot right here. We'll have
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: to mess with that app.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: But all I had to cut. I had to put
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Wenby and Fox last and cut. David Robinson, of course
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: we had to bro.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: The app was here and they heard too much Spurs
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Spurs hype now, But Josh, any last words before you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: got out of here.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: I hate that app Oh by the way, Las Vegas
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: and Seattle looks like a real possibility happening.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's gonna what's gonna happen with the Thunder history?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Is it gonna be from seven and back?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I think that the Seattle still owns all the rights
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: to to the Sonics, to the SuperSonics, So I think
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: that it just becomes like the Thunder, we're and expansion team.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, they were expansion team in eight and then.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's what I think, that's what it
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: would become. M hm, like now that they're back in Seattle,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: because Seattle owns everything of the Seattle SuperSonics, So.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Who would who would be an Eastern Conference team?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I mean out of those, I think we're definitely gonna
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: see redivisions. I mean, if the division's redone, maybe.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: New Orleans, maybe New Orleans goes to the East.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Do you think they should just do away with divisions
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: and do away with.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: The things that they would give away with or do
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: away with conferences after these two get.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Added, now they won't do it away with conferences, But
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I think they I think there would be a possibility
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: for no divisions.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: That would I mean, that would make a lot more
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: sense because it's just easier to play a lot more teams,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: and and I think what instead of.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: I would just be excited to see who's gonna be
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: drafted in the expansion draft.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: That's how many players are safe?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: I think that they would, you would be you would
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: have to I don't know, like I forgot how it
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: would go. What is it eight players that are safe? No,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be more, huh.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: I'm looking it up NBA up to eight players. Up
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: to eight players under contract or restricted free agents.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: So the the Spurs would keep Wimby Fox, Harper Castle,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Carter Bryant.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: But but okay, check this, Okay, check this. So it's
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: up to eight players, and that's only if they have
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: guaranteed contracts and restricted free eight restricted free agents, so
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: for example, you have all those.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Guys are under contract for a long time.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, like for a guy like Lebron who's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: gonna be an unrestricted free agent, Kevin Durant who's gonna
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: be a unrestricted free agent, they would go into the pool.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken because it has restricted free agents
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: only or guaranteed contracts or we'll guaranteed contracts. So yeah,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: if they're if they're in free agency, they automatically go
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: into the draft. So let me see NBA free agents
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: this summer. So yeah, for example, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Auhart for Jonathan Kaminga, Quinnin Grimes d Anthony Bellen shout
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: out to Quinn Grimes by the way. No, all right,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: any last words, Josh, before we get out of here.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: Co spurs go wim B for m v P, when
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: b P, when BP, when we p wm VP.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: No, but all right, yeah, before we get out of
• 1:41:54
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• 1:42:06
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