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Demanding $5,000 to Recite Majlis (Ft. Nouri Sardar) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  Salaam alaikum and welcome back to another episode on the
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  aftermath of podcast, where you the viewers, the listeners have
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  reached out to us and have requested from us numerous times
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  to continue a conversation. We had, which was very
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  interesting back in season 1 and surprisingly was also an episode
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  2 and that is obsession with she are celebrities.
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  Now, we don't want to discuss that in detail.
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  But what we want to ask today, is it right for Scholars?
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  Recite as lecture is to demand thousands of dollars pounds for
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  lecture for imagination for recitation.
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  But more importantly, before we begin this conversation or like
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  to as always, welcome my co-host.
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  I have a salaam alaikum. I think I'm the law.
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  I'm great privilege to be with you again every week Supply the
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  last week, guys, thank you so much.
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  It was really, really interesting discussion.
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  of people really don't want to talk about, and it's only
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  important to Get your feedback and suggestions so let us know
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  what you want us to discuss. So this is, of course, a big
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  topic. It is still, I think it calls
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  for someone who's qualified to talk on this and as our dear
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  friends are qualified. Yeah, overqualified
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  overqualified, Alec nobody. It's a long story.
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  Welcome back to the UK, thank you for shit.
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  Has your time been here so far? It's been weird coming back.
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  It's like going back in time and things changed.
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  Don't you don't. No, no worries.
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  I had a family member who passed away recently, so we asked her
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  what her home to please. Keep the ball home on you and
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  the answer in her. Praise in your prayers and
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  shallow a lot smaller races her to a high-ranking.
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  I mean let's look at this is of course a big topic.
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  Do you like it when people call you a celebrity me personally?
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  Yeah. No why?
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  So the thing is I mean this topic is so vast and so
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  interesting. I think there's a general
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  discussion and it was the question about what I'm
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  comfortable posting you, myself and I can only speak to my own
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  experiences. Yeah.
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  Hopefully have an interesting conversation about it.
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  So, the idea of a celebrity in of itself, I don't think it's a
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  very new thing. I think it's when you go
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  remember, like, it sounds weird to say, but if you go back to
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  time of the day time, Saddam people will see marked on the
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  street, on the dot. They would recognize him, right?
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  They didn't know who he is. So in a way, he was kind of a
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  celebrity or someone who's known.
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  Right now, you're in this society, which has a celebrity
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  culture, people are cultivating? Because essentially ultimately
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  are very good. The society.
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  T, what they do? Cultivate on our soccer players
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  for players. So, as American Tango came to me
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  football players, actors, singers, and that's essentially
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  look up to and who they Revere. So I think we are in a society
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  that Revere's people perhaps, for their fame, or for their
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  craft right now, in of itself, I don't think it's a bad thing per
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  se both know you have now is in this side, we have our own
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  communities who are inviting for all speakers.
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  Recitals And others and they are essentially looking up to them
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  the same way. Is that good or bad?
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  I mean I think the actual philosophy of em I shall speak
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  about it as a very basic level. I don't think it's a bad thing,
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  it's not a bad thing to look up to someone.
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  I can save myself as someone who looks up to look speakers.
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  A lot of recite has it, they've been a big impact on my life.
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  Mmm, following their Journey seeing for example, interviews
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  about their craft seeing them in the in the in the element it's
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  really inspiring to me helps me a lot, you know.
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  So I Really feel like with these people, I'm glad that they're
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  there for me to look up to and try and get for example.
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  My the way I look at my religion be inspired by them what they
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  preach and how they act. So I think it's less of a
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  celebrity conversation and more of a role model conversation
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  when someone's in the Limelight use that word Loosely and they,
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  and people look up to him, it's a very positive thing, it can be
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  a positive thing as long as you know, pure intention people and
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  they bring people toward good causes.
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  I think there's anything wrong with it, what makes them
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  notable. So, that's the thing.
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  Like, if it's if it's so I'll tell you again from my
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  experience, like, okay, people ask me about this thing, there's
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  the fame. Hmm, and then there's the
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  respect famous. Like, for me personally I can
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  speak was it doesn't really do anything, but respect like my
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  for example, when I you guys know, I do a lot of video work
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  and stuff. When I call people fish in our
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  community, they already kind of know who I am or they've heard
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  in me. So it's nice that there's that
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  relationship built their perspective can take years
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  decades to get built. I'm sure people speculate if you
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  are Craft you'll notice is 0, when you go to communities,
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  people, recognize you on the political scene, your site, they
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  already have a bit of respect for you.
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  That's a big blessing, it's a huge blessing.
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  It's something that's really, that's really a blessing from
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  Allah. Now if you abuse that or for
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  example if you if you use that to four - four - goal then it
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  becomes problematic I think you know, will speak about some
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  detail obviously. But I think the main thing is,
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  as long as you don't follow someone to a fault.
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  So if, for example, some you look up to, I've been actors and
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  singers and you Football is our prime example.
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  How many footballs, you know, you look up to them because they
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  are amazing at the game, but the horrible with their money, the
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  hobo with the families, the hobo with, you know they always Club
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  being illegal drug problems, a good as well, actors are prime
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  example, right? How many of them have horrible
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  depressing lives, but you love them for their craft.
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  So as long as you can separate the two, again, I get me
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  personally, when I got look up to someone, I make sure that I
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  look up to him for his craft. If I looked up to reciter and I
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  know this very well because you all know, we want to have a TV
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  for so long. So, so many times we worked with
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  speakers and Scholars. I'll try putting one down, but
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  I've learned to kind of separate the person.
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  I look up to sometimes from the actual person because every
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  because ultimately they were human.
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  Yeah? Right.
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  Every time I do something little, we forget that every
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  time you hear a speaker you know say something like wait I just
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  heard you on the Mambo saying don't speak like that.
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  I hope you'll remember saying you know keep your word and you
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  know I don't see you keeping our troubles closed down but these
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  small things sometimes though the human they can bring you
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  away from religion sometimes and I've seen a lot by the way the
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  people people Look out people too much.
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  Then when they see them folded like this, religions in the
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  thing is, I think one thing as an advantage, I would say
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  Advantage. But some with experience we've
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  been able to see people I think on and off the camera in at
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  least from working here. Yeah.
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  Have the land. It's nice.
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  Because you get to see the beauty of these icons if you
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  want to call them or influences or whatever they are servants,
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  Servants of the Baton was Saddam and at times at the same time,
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  it allows you to understand that maybe this is a lesson for me.
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  Like, you know, when we worked here, we would see like A
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  speaker. We loved or recital.
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  We loved. And we only know them from the
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  for their craft, like I say how do you see them as people?
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  It may be teaches us a lesson that, okay?
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  I love this guy because I love his voice, I love his knowledge
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  or whatever. So, that's an important thing
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  of, that's something we talked about.
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  I think in when we did the second episode of the first
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  season and understanding that it's important not to follow
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  them to a fall. Like I'm look for me.
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  The only people that I look up to like, without any doubt in
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  their character and with the other, he bit me personally like
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  musical insane. Molly and you know, the prophet
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  and hums that's it. Like, anyone below that person
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  you're gonna come with me. Like I appreciate who he is, I
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  appreciate him for that either for his scholarly position or
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  his craft, for example, as a reciter, but I don't keep my
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  hopes up the fallible and the infallible.
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  So for example are here, for example, I see you in person and
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  again, I'm not even you can't send, sometimes it's very small
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  things that you see ya in their character like, wait, but I
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  expect you to be like this, I expect you to give your 110,
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  your attention hundred, ten percent to People, you don't
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  know. You know, I expect you to say
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  Salam a certain way, could be very simple things, right?
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  But I've learned to like separate from the end of me
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  personally and a uterus is all like people they see the best of
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  us. Hmm.
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  When we burn this year's for sighing, when they see our
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  videos on Instagram or on YouTube, they see the absolute
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  best of us. As a result.
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  They assume that in private life would like that as well.
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  No one knows that home. I'm sitting down binge-watching
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  a show on Netflix, right? No one expects that for me the
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  biggest misconceptions people have about someone in your
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  Shoes. Say it biggest misconception?
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  Yeah, like you said, like Lily, you said, people assume that
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  you'll always be the best of character.
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  I don't think I'm enough is not the way I would say kind of.
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  That's not a bad thing, because he would have had, if that say
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  that when people assume good of you, make sure make sure they're
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  right. Yes.
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  Becomes a challenge on yourself. Become to live up to exactly
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  what I was gonna say. A misconception is that they
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  think you are available 24/7 to speak with them.
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  Also any questions they have or go out chill with them or come
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  to imagine is on this day on that so they feel like that's
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  all you have. In life.
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  I mean it's a good thing to have of all is a serving, the end
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  debate on this religion. There's you also need your
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  private life. Yeah.
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  Dogs questions about your private life.
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  Yeah, it's actually a perception thing is all like me.
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  For example, I have a really bad quality, which you guys know.
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  Well, I'm very social in the way sometimes.
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  Sometimes I might see someone that I know, but my mind won't
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  register that he says, well, I was around him but if he know if
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  in, if he knew before that side was saying, after he be like,
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  okay, look how elegant is now. Don't say something to me,
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  right? But the idea is we should really
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  think the best of people's best. That's why But even with me,
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  when I don't judge famous people, when I meet them because
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  I cannot maybe they haven't maybe having a bad day.
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  Maybe for example, you just you know, I happens to all of us,
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  you know, maybe in private. He's a far better person.
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  I ever could have imagined. We're speaking about this today
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  are want to come on the wall. Now, WhatsApp group about people
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  being hypocritical and people who take you for a ride
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  sometimes, then why do you do it?
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  But something that kind of hit me yesterday was you know, we
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  have this perception, we're very Dunya we now approach.
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  So we'll think that we're living on this.
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  Dunya on this on this Earth and this is the be all and end all
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  but I might need someone to Street who's that?
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  Drew this guy to me, only some of the community but by the end
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  of his god-given time on this Earth, Allah subhanaw, taala
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  might raise him many stations Hive and then I'll be raised.
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  No fun to say. So, the status of someone in the
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  Divine understanding from God is that this person is a servant of
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  me and your, they're shooting the worst of them like that says
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  something. I think we, we don't know that
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  when we meet people, we can't read their future.
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  We can't Be the placement, you know I mean so I think sometimes
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  we have that tendency to become a bit arrogant and maybe a bit.
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  You don't I mean judgmental too easily.
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  Should we judge them? What do you think?
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  You told me? No, I think it's no good thing
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  you mentioned because sometimes like we can have a Assumption of
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  how they are on the pulpit on the podium on the stadium.
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  Wherever is this, as soon as they come down or they leave the
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  measures for the leave the community and go back home, we
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  want them to be the same way as they were in the center.
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  And I don't think we can blame them.
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  There is a change. Okay, can I ask you guys?
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  I'm gonna I'm gonna if you don't just ask.
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  Okay, so we'll have a three-way discussion on this but I want to
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  ask you guys your opinion on this.
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  Okay, the thing is, we've had a lot of questions.
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  Mmm, thank you again to everyone at home, is that this in?
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  But a lot of people, for some reason are very keen on
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  understanding the dynamic between modulus organizers and
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  those who they invite specifically regards to idea and
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  to finance and to money as a big question.
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  All right. So, speaking in terms of London,
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  over the last few months have the Loblolly, mean we've had
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  some of the biggest Scholars and recite has to walk this Earth
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  from our community, who have come to our site for our
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  community here. I think is the biggest blessing.
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  Hmm. But of course, with that
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  questions arise this is a young organization known as started a
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  few years ago. Well, this is a center, which is
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  got Finance issues, how they affording.
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  This people ask questions and of course, naturally people want
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  this to be discussed. The last people were going to
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  discuss it at those who you're accusing of doing things.
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  Mm-hmm. So people want that discussion
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  to be had. So I'm going to ask you clear as
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  they do. Let's call this do Scholars or
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  recite has overcharge. Do they charge at all?
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  Do they assume they request in advance that they negotiate?
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  How does it work? I think there's a lot of
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  negotiation that those go on but ultimately I think there's
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  nothing wrong in having a say of how much you think you should
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  get honestly at the end of the day but I think where the
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  problem lies as for example, if your You know, let's say the
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  mom, I'm going to call it. I got another, you're demanding
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  payment, I like to call it hadiya at the end of the day,
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  but I think there is a thin line between why idea is and what is
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  a demand of payments. My opinion by the same time or a
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  field is called it a fee, which is very important for the
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  lecture or the recital, disconnected factor in that the
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  community runs mainly solely on donations from the community
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  members for sometimes. They can't have other.
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  They can't do other things in emergencies.
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  Because the lecture or the recital is having such a high
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  fee, is affecting everything else.
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  That's not fair on the people come into the center, that's my
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  opinion. But if this is their full-time
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  job, this is what they are worth.
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  They think this is how much they are worth.
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  I don't know the problem. I'll see you Steven about how
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  much you work. This is about giving your time.
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  I think people underestimate like like traveling to recite
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  know if you're a local guy. Like let's say you're in London
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  and the measures is down the road in London.
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  No, no shoo. If you're coming from this
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  state. So you're coming from other.
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  No Australia. Wherever it is.
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  Then you got a factor in. For example, you're away from
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  work for about two weeks, if you come from a hard-on, for
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  example, your away from someone, from your family, your away from
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  everything that's usual to. So you did fees to cover your
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  travel fees, cover your yo-yo, your food, whether is and your
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  state, and the head of a reciting.
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  So there are things to factor for sure.
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  If I had this conversation with the speaker recently, like a
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  very prolific speaker and he told me he's like look like when
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  I prefer lecture. Yeah, let's see how lecture 10
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  times in Muharram, say 30, 40 times a year, right?
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  Each lecture on preparing to say, for example, a few days of
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  Noah week for, right. What do you have time was worth?
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  Yeah. Right.
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  So a lot of times price is a lot of times it's not ever the
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  thing. And the thing is, like, if it
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  was if we take religion of the equation, money wouldn't even
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  benefactor like, yeah, of course.
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  He's a speaker is coming. You know, we have to do if
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  you're going for example, to universities, we've got a pain.
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  Like it's just how the world works with is offering your
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  time, right? Cause I don't think again.
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  I can only speak for me personally, for me Personally,
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  the way I look at things is that in my head, I'm not getting paid
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  to recite his me person among pitchers, and I'm getting paid
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  for my time. Okay, the minute I get up and
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  recite. I'm like, this is something for
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  free. This is how I personally think
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  and even not as it again. It's just me personally because
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  and everyone is different. Everyone thinks about this
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  differently, right? There was a period of time where
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  I actually didn't take any money.
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  And honestly, I can tell you the financial burden of that period
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  of time was very, very difficult me.
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  Like I know resides as well that for a while.
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  Reciting was the only Income. Let's borrow.
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  Can this dear? What is that bit?
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  Reciting was the only source of income.
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  Somebody he wasn't getting paid him any money if you didn't if
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  you didn't request or or take money for a year, how he
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  supposed to feed himself, feed his family?
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  You know. I think that that that's really
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  point to have person. At the way I look at things as
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  well is that there's a difference between being
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  demanding and negotiate and negotiating and being accepting?
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  Let me, for example, personally, like if they say look, we have a
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  limited budget. I'm not going to say no because
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  and if maybe it's from on saying, but I will tell you
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  Guys, in this thing I never thought you guys publicly,
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  there's been times even recently.
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  Well, I've like II, okay, you know, just you can pay me, the
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  bill has its finest form. I was saying, I really felt the
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  financial bunch of that like being away from work for a week
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  to go to recite. Yeah, I'm kind of like, I really
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  felt the financial bunch of it. And honestly, I'll also say that
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  if we look with every conversation, we have, we always
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  look at, for example, with the imams to write.
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  When that because I recite for a number that I believe was a, my
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  mother tried to give him gold from the treasury, right?
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  If I knew that it was a norm, Four speakers, it's a norm to
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  get paid. It's a very, it's a null.
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  So if I speak, I don't think I'll even charge or even request
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  money or talk about money at, all right?
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  Give it right. But as the poet it's like oh you
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  do there's no kind of precedent for it right.
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  Think it's a hobby. Yeah if there was a culture of
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  understand, do you give me a time and you know you get for
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  example a certain amount of money on a ram which is all a
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  lot of money by the way. I Des me personally I would
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  never even have that conversation.
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  But unfortunately, I don't have that conversation.
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  You sometimes do you and taking advantage of it?
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  That's the problem. Yeah, you know you talked to
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  sorry state You mentioned like about big top of your craft a
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  bigger professional and you're talking about when we talk about
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  who your favorite speakers are recited handle.
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  A problem in our community at least in the west.
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  Every single city has got dozens, if not hundreds of
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  speakers are recited. So at least in London, there's
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  definitely at least 100 qualified English-speaking
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  Scholars who give them a Jello give modulus and bursitis.
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  You can recite whether it's in different languages or whatever.
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  But even if you consider the top five or top 10, In terms of
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  prolific nurse and all of that, let's say they're getting paid a
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  few thousand bye-bye. Bro.
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  You quantify that across a year. These guys are making martial
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  law. Good money.
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  But if you imagine that compared to a top performing lawyer or
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  top-performing accountant or top-performing engineer, it's
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  really not that much relatively. So, if you think about the most
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  famous English speaking scholar or poet or a site, or whatever
• 17:06
  it might be in the world, yeah, relatives to be English in
• 17:10
  particular English, but II knew that Is what we listen for
• 17:12
  relation can also say, by the way, because I can have this
• 17:14
  conversation with different angle, which is putting more
• 17:16
  contour for the viewers, for video production standpoint,
• 17:19
  okay? Because I deal with a lot of
• 17:20
  religious organization was come when it comes to videography.
• 17:22
  And and you guys know me very well when it comes to poetry is
• 17:24
  like, you know, there's Lee waves from, I'm saying is fine.
• 17:26
  When it comes to video, this is my source of income listening
• 17:29
  today is my database. My bread.
• 17:31
  You know, this is this is what I do.
• 17:32
  Yeah. You know, having a professional
• 17:33
  conversation, right? And unfortunately there was
• 17:36
  always a tendency with religious organizations will also give us
• 17:39
  really well. Yeah, take that much for being a
• 17:40
  much. They won't say that.
• 17:42
  The venue, they won't set up for food.
• 17:44
  They won't settle for anything else is required at the venue
• 17:46
  the mini. It comes to video production is
• 17:48
  like, oh, you know, we can't do that without even though.
• 17:50
  Video is the most valuable is one of the most valuable
• 17:53
  Commodities. Today's is right now, that's
• 17:54
  right. With respect.
• 17:55
  That's because of who you are. The speaker is a big factor,
• 18:35
  right? He's putting a lot of time into
• 18:37
  his lecture is the center of what does that mean?
• 18:39
  I am lecture. Yeah.
• 18:40
  Of course, right again. Remove religion from the
• 18:42
  conversation, right? Think about how much you would
• 18:44
  pay at any Professor to come to University or political, you
• 18:48
  won't even have that think twice about it right again.
• 18:51
  But there is also an other side, the conversation where there
• 18:53
  needs to be a, my opinion again. This me personally, a bit of
• 18:56
  leeway of understanding if it's a student group.
• 18:58
  For example, I know students develop a loved one.
• 19:00
  So, I know a check, for example, once I told me, he's, like,
• 19:02
  look, when I get invited, we have that conversation.
• 19:05
  If they say, we can't pay this much, you'll pay this much
• 19:07
  always say yes. Because the students, I never
• 19:08
  chose them because I haven't got money, right?
• 19:11
  So, I see that as well. But there is also another fact
• 19:13
  that the conversation where unfortunately sometimes if money
• 19:15
  is involved, people take advantage of you.
• 19:18
  Yeah. And I've seen it with speakers.
• 19:19
  Let's see if it was itís. They take it back you because
• 19:21
  it's easy to bring because he'll come no questions asked they'll
• 19:24
  bring them in. No, they won't stick to that
• 19:26
  schedule. They won't even greet him at the
• 19:28
  door, say goodbye to them because it is so easy to come in
• 19:30
  and don't require a financial investment and that's one of the
• 19:33
  purposes. And by the way, just so it's
• 19:36
  clear. We hold the most was his all
• 19:38
  prognosis, we all damages, every year.
• 19:39
  For the benigne, we, I always make sure The I pay the speak on
• 19:43
  the reciter, more than the office for you all the time,
• 19:45
  because I know what it's like, I know what it's like, and I know
• 19:49
  personally that they any person, I believe that they're giving
• 19:52
  their time their, I value them, I valued of the coming, and
• 19:57
  yeah. He left his family of how many
• 20:20
  kids for a week, came back. Next day, he's flying in
• 20:22
  straight to work, right? Imagine doing that, easy and and
• 20:26
  and even as dedication, it's oh by the way, also to his credit
• 20:29
  the share comment which is named me and him never discuss payment
• 20:32
  because he knows I'll pay him, doesn't need to discuss it.
• 20:34
  He knows I you know it's okay I'll look after and even even
• 20:37
  when it comes to the fight for example, make sure it strikes a
• 20:39
  good time and make sure it's got a good seat because for me,
• 20:42
  Giving his time. And I know how valuable timers
• 20:44
  the conversation. He has wronged.
• 20:45
  By the way, is this about money? It's not about money.
• 20:47
  Money is secondary. What's more valuable than money
• 20:49
  is time? Time is very valuable.
• 20:51
  Say, time is money, time is not clear, all right, time is time.
• 20:54
  Is time is the most affect our time is the most time is the
• 20:57
  most valuable commodity, you know, before you moved, I think
• 21:00
  was like, maybe 2019 or something like that. 2018, I
• 21:04
  came to your house. Once a we had, we had a
• 21:06
  discussion and you said to me, you gave me a golden piece of
• 21:09
  advice which Handler did this day.
• 21:10
  I still remember if you don't Fine, I'll share it.
• 21:12
  You said to me, always understand the value of your
• 21:14
  time because any time, you're giving to any other commitments,
• 21:18
  whatever it is work Community, socially.
• 21:21
  Whatever is understand that that's time away from your
• 21:24
  family and your home. You remember, even in that even
• 21:27
  even time way for work like he mean he was with my other songs.
• 21:31
  Yeah. He walks like when he lie he's
• 21:33
  on he's on salary right? When he leaves his job, he
• 21:36
  doesn't get people to three weeks.
• 21:37
  Hmm. That's that that's not even
• 21:39
  about gaining money was not losing money.
• 21:41
  Yeah, just like that. He's not going toward Ferraris
• 21:43
  and Rolexes is going toward rent, it's going to a bills.
• 21:47
  Even me, personally, there's been times where just from been
• 21:51
  given a hadiya? I was able to put that to my gas
• 21:53
  bill and survive that. Yeah, like I like, honestly like
• 21:56
  that. Like, there's been times where
• 21:58
  I've been able to live just based off of how ideas of help
• 22:00
  me, so it's not about gaining money.
• 22:02
  It's just, it's just time being returned.
• 22:04
  So, I can continue to live, right?
• 22:06
  And I think that's a different conversation than charging and
• 22:08
  again, so again there's always like a, there's always a caveat,
• 22:10
  I'll give because such a delicate conversation.
• 22:12
  Ian, the caviar is, I don't believe personally, that you
• 22:14
  should also abuse that system understand that you still
• 22:16
  serving the Imam, right? But there needs to be a kind of
• 22:19
  mutual relationship between two people that they're not abusing
• 22:22
  you and you're not using them. Hmm, because you're, because the
• 22:24
  cause as good as just wanna move away from this whole money
• 22:27
  thing. But I have a question before we
• 22:30
  switched off a little. Have you ever demanded payment?
• 22:34
  Of course, a value, given the spot.
• 22:36
  Now I personally and it was a shock actually that spoke to
• 22:39
  that kind of hard because because again, for those
• 22:41
  repairs, Of time where I wasn't charging or not trying, I wasn't
• 22:44
  asking for any money. I told ya and there will be
• 22:46
  times where I would drive to the modulus.
• 22:48
  Hmm, not knowing if they'd give me money so I can afford the
• 22:51
  petrol to get back home. And that's how I die my
• 22:53
  situations where that time and he was like, look, he gave me
• 22:55
  the best advice. You look have the conversation
• 22:58
  but don't beat the money. If they say look, we haven't got
• 22:59
  the budget for it so you can avoid it still from.
• 23:01
  I'm saying do it. Yeah and I think I think that's
• 23:03
  a good, that's a good attitude. That's a good.
• 23:05
  I should have because you're not you're not you're not turning
• 23:07
  into a business but the same time you're being, you know
• 23:10
  reimbursed for your time transparent.
• 23:11
  You're also being cooperative and understand, well, I think
• 23:14
  it's important just to put it back in your head.
• 23:15
  It's not about the money, it's not the end of the day, some
• 23:17
  other service, but let me put it this way.
• 23:20
  There's the, the value like you said, I really I put about a
• 23:23
  professor because it's interesting to note that the
• 23:26
  value of the, the benefit of the knowledge and all of that, that
• 23:31
  we learn, all the emotional upliftment that our recital,
• 23:33
  give you whatever it is that stuff.
• 23:35
  People would pay tons of money to get somewhere when it comes
• 23:38
  to religion, our give a free. Yeah, from our perspective, as
• 23:42
  Me being like an old public speaker resides at, right?
• 23:44
  So I go to a medal is I get free like a one-hour crash course in
• 23:51
  a certain period of Islamic history or something about
• 23:53
  spirituality, or whatever that people pay money online to
• 23:56
  listen to a course for or I get to listen to a recital that
• 23:59
  people would pay money for example, to, in the outside
• 24:01
  world, to go to a concert for, do you know what I mean?
• 24:03
  In the same way, I have an emotional connection with a
• 24:05
  reciter, the outside world people, listen to music, and so
• 24:07
  on. But with that, in mind there, If
• 24:12
  anything that proves that there's a demand for Content, do
• 24:15
  you see what I mean here? So me as a consumer.
• 24:18
  I'm consuming hundreds and hundreds, and hundreds of hours
• 24:21
  of content on YouTube. You know what you want, if you
• 24:23
  want, you on the front conversation is so just be
• 24:24
  Devil's Advocate. So, again, like as a video as a
• 24:27
  guide of video production, when I go to a business, for example,
• 24:29
  I'll figure out what's his goal. Usually, the goal is to make an
• 24:31
  assignment a profit, and they want to reach, for example,
• 24:33
  double the amount of profit, right?
• 24:35
  So based on that, I can see you're making this much as take
• 24:36
  a percentage of your profit and use that because it's worth
• 24:39
  investing that money to reach the goal of Of it.
• 24:42
  What you want through video content, right?
• 24:43
  That's business for me. I that's how I treat business
• 24:45
  anyway. I think that's a good kind of
• 24:46
  like way to approach things, right.
• 24:48
  But the problem with modulus is again, like I said, we'll do
• 24:52
  know based, yeah? Right.
• 24:52
  Yeah. It's like is a business where
• 24:54
  you're making money, because, right?
• 24:55
  So that's what that's why I think that there should be some
• 24:57
  sort of leeway and a bit of understanding, right?
• 25:00
  That's donor money, that is Hadith the stories from Bob
• 25:02
  Barker. That's not why he got it.
• 25:04
  Hundreds of results is I think it says 120 rear sight?
• 25:06
  Has he said from all different parts of the the Obama who have
• 25:10
  beautiful voices and he said Disperse and tell the people the
• 25:13
  story of my grandfather with your beautiful voices.
• 25:15
  Yeah. He didn't tell them go and
• 25:17
  charge and so on and so forth. But the idea being is that our
• 25:20
  communities for decades and generations have had an
• 25:23
  expectation as consumers, where we go to Muslims, we hear some,
• 25:27
  we'd have to pay for it. She's what I mean.
• 25:29
  Now, we're living in a day and age now, where in The Wider
• 25:32
  world, you have to pay for Netflix subscriptions, at pay
• 25:35
  for Spotify subscriptions, YouTube premiums.
• 25:37
  All the so forth and in return, you get more access to Great
• 25:41
  content and The scenes stuff and so on and so forth.
• 25:43
  And of course our community is also heading in that direction.
• 25:47
  Now, I'll be honest on a personal level.
• 25:48
  Yeah, I think it's fantastic. Like I think in terms of for our
• 25:52
  speakers I'll recite and so on and it's good for them.
• 25:55
  And to be really honest, it's worth the money because we've
• 25:59
  been taking advantage for years, I would say taking advantage,
• 26:03
  but we've been listening and consuming content for years,
• 26:05
  free of charge. And if we value that content,
• 26:08
  and we value that reciter, or that speaker, or that poet.
• 26:12
  You know, we'll pay for it. And obviously people have
• 26:14
  difference of opinion on this, but I would ask you guys,
• 26:16
  because obviously you are reciting has you are content
• 26:18
  creators as well, your own rights, how do you feel about
• 26:21
  that? Lets go to revolve.
• 26:22
  It will also clarify something as well because I feel this
• 26:24
  conversation can be very controversial, the minute we
• 26:26
  talk about money, it's about how we interpret voice this time of
• 26:31
  money, right? If you think about money about
• 26:33
  again, like I said, Ro logs roller works, is Lamborghinis,
• 26:36
  flash holidays? Then that's not the kind of
• 26:38
  money. We're talking about here, we're
• 26:39
  talking about money to survive, making a living making.
• 26:42
  Yeah, right - A vibe, that's it. Those are very two different
• 26:45
  types of approaches. Which is why all which is why I
• 26:47
  said that, the most important thing to understand is that time
• 26:50
  is the most valuable commodity, right?
• 26:52
  So, because you're giving your time, that time used to be
• 26:55
  reimbursed, okay? Right, I think that's how it is.
• 26:58
  And again, like I always separate between business, which
• 27:01
  is my biz, my video production, that's business.
• 27:03
  So when someone said, well, can we get this count as look, if
• 27:06
  we're not, we're not doing much as well, as I guess.
• 27:08
  You're asking for something is going to give you a prophet.
• 27:11
  Right. So that that conversation
• 27:13
  happened when it's from residence when it's based on
• 27:15
  donor money. But, for example, if it's, if
• 27:17
  it's students that are funding it, you know, I'm not going to
• 27:20
  person again. I can only speak for me.
• 27:22
  I will not put people that I are doing something good in a
• 27:27
  position that will, you know, make the model talking about
• 27:30
  that. I'm not talking about that
• 27:31
  because that's the I mean, I appreciate that but that's
• 27:33
  specifically in regards to communities and the negotiation
• 27:36
  phase is all. Yeah.
• 27:37
  But specifically regards to like in this day and age, the
• 27:40
  evolving data cheering, there's Human interaction in the sense
• 27:43
  of this is what I'm asking for. Can you do less blah, blah blah.
• 27:47
  We're now in a day and age where people you can sell and
• 27:50
  plurality. Yeah there's less no human
• 27:52
  interaction. So this is the price for Content
• 27:54
  X or Y or Z pay or not pay. It's up to you to not to me, but
• 27:57
  that, that we see that. Now, you want to rent a movie on
• 28:00
  Amazon Prime, how much do you pay?
• 28:01
  There's also another in biggest competition who knows very well,
• 28:04
  how much do albums cost to make and tracks.
• 28:06
  Thousands, thousands are not cheap thousands of pounds and
• 28:10
  he's a he's a witness to me. You'll be very well if I had
• 28:13
  people coming to know what we're going to fund you to do five
• 28:16
  albums, albums a year 10. I was a million payment, just
• 28:18
  pay the sound engineers in the room.
• 28:19
  And you know, for the for the marketing whatnot, then we do,
• 28:23
  it would give our time. There's a lot, right?
• 28:25
  Yeah. A lot of benefits that we've
• 28:27
  released over the years. Even though, sometimes I've been
• 28:29
  like in a conversation myself is a point of this.
• 28:32
  Why we're doing it. People really appreciate.
• 28:33
  You must do yourself. Cool, me all the time and I say
• 28:36
  you appreciate the right now, who's paying for his albums,
• 28:39
  where's the microphone? Sometimes we'll look who's my
• 28:40
  pockets. Yeah.
• 28:41
  My overdraft or is mainly. So let's are funded so funded
• 28:45
  and they're very expensive to do right now.
• 28:47
  The problem is because as a community, we have this negative
• 28:50
  relationship with money. These things should be ideally
• 28:54
  funded self-funded from from the community, there should be any
• 28:58
  question about it. But unfortunately, because our
• 29:00
  conversation, our money also -, you know, we have these kind of
• 29:06
  brick walls that we hit when it when it comes to 12.
• 29:08
  I myself there's a few documentaries on the make It's
• 29:11
  really high quality documentaries.
• 29:13
  I can't find donors for them. People went to find them.
• 29:16
  It's really disheartening to me because the projects that I have
• 29:19
  worked on that passion projects. I have done good impact on the
• 29:21
  world. I was severely under paid for.
• 29:23
  Yeah, severely under paid for and it still breaks.
• 29:26
  My heart is that it's not acceptable because I've had the
• 29:28
  pro budget for it. I would create something, you
• 29:31
  know, that I feel could go really far and make positive
• 29:35
  impact. But because we're very selective
• 29:36
  on what we spend our money on, and we're very selective about
• 29:39
  the way we treat money. You know?
• 29:40
  We can't we It's very difficult to all these losses project of
• 29:43
  projects off the ground. You're not seeing that the point
• 29:46
  that you mentioned just before low-res pork on a personal
• 29:48
  level. Sometimes I have thoughts in my
• 29:50
  head like I have got like a vision or sometimes I have like,
• 29:54
  you know, a certain thing or Avenue or path.
• 29:58
  I want to take about finances are always a barrier there, like
• 30:01
  an obstacle because, you know, if you're not funded by, let's
• 30:04
  say an organization or a group of more minion is very difficult
• 30:08
  to do any work islamically, because nothing is free.
• 30:11
  At the end of the day, on a personal level, in a speaking of
• 30:15
  demanding payment and stuff. I genuinely have never demanded
• 30:18
  a single payment, Okay, but if I do get anything, I don't say no.
• 30:23
  But that payment goes towards funding things.
• 30:24
  For example, you're creating an album track, you're doing a
• 30:27
  video clip, you have to go, you know, pay the cameraman go, pay
• 30:30
  the edit, I'll go play that pay the venue, go pay the sound
• 30:33
  mango, pay the sound mixer, and that's the, there is a lot of
• 30:35
  things that are expensive in. So any payments for example or
• 30:38
  any hydeia that comes my way and humble on the surface of the
• 30:42
  l-bayt mainly goes towards these things which is doing the work
• 30:46
  that mashaallah we want the world to listen to.
• 30:49
  But I think is important, if we can touch a bit about
• 30:52
  subscription, because if I give the sign as an example, we can
• 30:56
  use the same example, with the community.
• 30:59
  We can use the same example with TV stations is that, we need to
• 31:03
  finances to come in to fund projects through the same way.
• 31:06
  A community needs money to facilitate imaginers recited as
• 31:11
  content creators lectures. They need money to invest this
• 31:14
  in themselves, but look at the end of the day, if it's going
• 31:17
  into their own Pockets. I don't know.
• 31:18
  Allah. In them and God.
• 31:20
  But if is going into their work into their service for the
• 31:23
  community for the greater good. But you know what's interesting
• 31:25
  light and this is probably something for me talking to
• 31:27
  everyone at home as well. Specifically, like, think about
• 31:30
  how much. For example, we've benefited
• 31:32
  from these servants, for example, not another fundraising
• 31:38
  please, he knew his rent. A long time ago.
• 31:51
  It was like, don't worry is on me.
• 31:53
  Like genuinely no recovered it. And then I went into another
• 31:56
  album with him and do recover. There was a donut.
• 31:58
  No, but you didn't demand anything from me.
• 32:00
  Oh no, you didn't say. This is Uncle.
• 32:02
  Well, that's what it's all about.
• 32:16
  You guys have got to where you've got to with all the
• 32:19
  restrictions Ins the hurdles. Imagine what you could do if you
• 32:21
  had a great capacity and no barriers financially and so on
• 32:25
  and so forth. So I just want to say that maybe
• 32:27
  we need a mentality shift, maybe it's maybe it's a case where,
• 32:29
  for example, we are like, with think y'all.
• 32:32
  But, you know, there's there's there's a war in Yemen and
• 32:35
  there's often there are kits. Also, yes, of course.
• 32:38
  Absolutely. But there's also a need for
• 32:40
  investment into our into a culture of basically, the into
• 32:42
  the growth of our home communities.
• 32:44
  And I think in doing that, you've got a support in the
• 32:47
  individuals who are getting up on the On the member or getting
• 32:50
  up on the stage and the podium and you're performing, not even
• 32:53
  just performed in a serving for us.
• 32:55
  Have they ever been in a slump and ultimately you guys
• 32:58
  mashallah have got potential and you what talent is clear as day?
• 33:02
  You know what I mean? So if we are not understanding
• 33:06
  the value of that, then it will always be hard on you.
• 33:09
  I'm at the station this album example because yeah, number one
• 33:12
  is for serving the equipment. But if it was anything else
• 33:15
  they're like, what do we get in return?
• 33:17
  Like if we're going to save, you know, what a bee TV without a
• 33:20
  big TV and with other TV channels, and media
• 33:22
  organizations, it's always been a case of like, yeah.
• 33:25
  But what do I get, bro? It's not about what you get and
• 33:28
  it's about what the community at large is receiving the benefit.
• 33:31
  So for example, what you did in terms of your album and paying
• 33:35
  out of your pocket but you know that wasn't done with fair
• 33:39
  enough. But you know I'm saying it in
• 33:41
  terms of the expenditure there and you ask yourself, you said
• 33:44
  you ask yourself what value? Does it bring?
• 33:46
  That was the first time I heard since Even Lottery, she know
• 33:50
  that. And that introduced me to his
• 33:51
  well, your isn't, I recited English because of nori, and I
• 33:54
  was about eight eight, ten years ago, something like that.
• 33:56
  Yeah, the first album and that's a very interesting thing because
• 33:59
  you're introducing not just your work and your poetry but other
• 34:03
  ascites and their work and is going out there, wild white, you
• 34:06
  know what I mean? And this is the same with other
• 34:08
  video decisions. Some people happy to pay for
• 34:18
  that as a hadiya if you think of it that way.
• 34:26
  If someone is supporting if someone is supporting a debate
• 34:30
  TV, as example. Yeah yeah.
• 34:33
  Yeah as an individual let's say you watch as a big TV.
• 34:35
  You either contribute or you don't contribute to the channel,
• 34:38
  you're still watching the same content.
• 34:39
  Yeah. But the thing is you're giving
• 34:40
  out of your heart because you think these guys can do more
• 34:42
  work if they have more support, you watch as a TV, Or you watch
• 34:46
  after marketing and you want to sponsor this whether or not you
• 34:48
  sponsor it, the show goes on, but you're giving up your heart
• 34:51
  because you think they could do more work if they have more
• 34:53
  support. That's the way I see.
• 34:55
  At least, you know? It's funny to remember that
• 34:56
  pillars fund filmmakers program. Yes, there is Ahmad one when you
• 35:02
  like, yeah, so the program but they try to cultivate 10 Muslim
• 35:07
  filmmakers and they got people around the world, right?
• 35:10
  So I don't remember what the terms of the agreement work.
• 35:13
  Well, if you want the award, I still But it was like we're
• 35:16
  going to give you 25,000 dollars to spend as you wish.
• 35:20
  Mmm. Yeah.
• 35:21
  Why. Because like the philosophy, is
• 35:23
  it frees up your time? So you can serve it so we can
• 35:26
  cause the cultivate your craft is filmmaker right now.
• 35:30
  Think about that, think about that.
• 35:31
  It makes 100% sense that you have.
• 35:34
  For example, it lets everybody Alterna right now.
• 35:36
  Let's say, for example, I'll give you a, you got some words,
• 35:38
  become a speaker, or scholar. I want some reciter.
• 35:41
  Right. Why can't he do it?
• 35:42
  He's busy paying his bills, he's busy working is like 25.
• 35:46
  He's busy, you know, with his business.
• 35:47
  Yeah, these guys are gonna give you two a significant that out a
• 35:52
  signal amount of money because it frees up your time.
• 35:54
  So you can, you can spend that money on your rent for a good
• 35:56
  six months and you can focus on your screenplay.
• 35:58
  You can focus on your short film, right?
• 36:01
  And I think that mentality is the same mentality that we need
• 36:04
  to have this conversation around money that we have is like, it's
• 36:07
  something dirty. Yeah.
• 36:08
  Right, something dirty because I think it's it's kind of immature
• 36:13
  mentality that you you associate money again with like Hi life,
• 36:17
  money makes the world go round. He's not Dutch and this is my
• 36:18
  brother unless you misuse it right?
• 36:21
  Money is what keeps you going? Keep sustained.
• 36:24
  Where's it from? Allah subhanaw, taala.
• 36:25
  Yeah the helps you more toward your craft and helps you to do
• 36:29
  good. And that's again like I'm I have
• 36:31
  my own kind of personal perception but I can say safely
• 36:34
  like when it comes to me and the way I deal with speakers and I
• 36:37
  do with other scientists, I fully appreciate the giving
• 36:39
  their time and they need to be awarded for that time.
• 36:42
  So why is it when I request only can I have some poetry this is a
• 36:44
  bit awkward Market. If you don't mind by the way,
• 36:54
  when it comes to poetry writing, poetry for a penny ever, can you
• 36:57
  write me a poem in Charlene? It's like I can't justify taking
• 37:08
  five days out of my schedule. It'll take me a half an hour of
• 37:12
  my time even though Honey, I want to talk about just going
• 37:17
  back to the concept of big and icon and the influence and so
• 37:20
  on. So let's put money to one side.
• 37:22
  I think we've kind of gone into and hopefully in sha Allah for
• 37:25
  those who are asked us to discuss it, we got a good amount
• 37:28
  that subscribe button, the Subscribe button, if you've
• 37:30
  reached the description, all right, let me ask you guys a
• 37:33
  quick question. Yeah, firstly if someone uses or
• 37:37
  reshares or repost your work, your recitation, your poetry or
• 37:41
  whatever it is but does not credit you.
• 37:44
  How do you feel? Is it wrong?
• 37:47
  You know, it's funny. We had the conversation.
• 37:48
  I didn't know you had the complete article.
• 37:49
  Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
• 37:52
  The fact that your work is reaching the masses.
• 37:55
  What's wrong with that? Just because your name so far,
• 37:57
  okay, let me think. If you seriously have a problem
• 37:59
  with your name, missing from your working shit, you got you
• 38:02
  got, okay, so let's say you're a painter, you spent a year
• 38:04
  painting, a picture and then someone's showing or printing
• 38:07
  that of the canvas. I'm not gonna depends if this is
• 38:10
  slamming the same concept, but one is religious ones.
• 38:13
  Not just fine. I think it's fun.
• 38:14
  Okay, I agree with that. Copyrighted.
• 38:16
  Like what? Why?
• 38:17
  Why I trade them are quite? I don't know.
• 38:20
  Good point, I think it's fine. I think it's my that's not
• 38:23
  really my thing different know, it's funny because before and
• 38:26
  I'll say it in the podcast. Yeah, there's been times, by the
• 38:29
  way, I think you told me someone was trying my poetry on the
• 38:32
  WhatsApp. Know, someone else was another
• 38:34
  guy for the community. He was sharing my poetry, and
• 38:36
  what's up and putting his son's name and then the convict
• 38:39
  someone and say, look what my son wrote, that guy told his dad
• 38:42
  Barbara. But again there's an account may
• 38:48
  Allah bless him. There's times, I see, for
• 38:50
  example, Instagram people share my poetry and they don't put
• 38:54
  their own name but they won't put my name, right.
• 38:57
  And it literally gets thousands and thousands of likes and
• 38:59
  shares. Yeah.
• 39:00
  And for a second and I'm saying I'm being very real with you for
• 39:03
  a second. Like, let me message them and
• 39:05
  just looking people, my name right then like, whoa, what you
• 39:09
  getting out of this, you're not doing this for your name.
• 39:12
  Yeah, you're missing the point, right?
• 39:14
  I literally kill that for straight away.
• 39:15
  Way. And I don't even, I don't even
• 39:20
  give any more thought to that. That's because it's very
• 39:22
  dangerous tour. Because I mean, you do that.
• 39:24
  Your intention is screwed, right.
• 39:26
  Shows your sincerity, by the way.
• 39:27
  So hopefully less. so, the video in the first place,
• 40:35
  You speak like that real life. I'm like what you mean is for
• 40:39
  example, please could you get me a cup of water?
• 40:42
  A cup of water. Please can you bring to me like
• 40:45
  backwards? Yo don't
• 40:57
  know. But so there's actually a story
• 40:58
  that I heard before I saw your posting Instagram that really
• 41:02
  made me think they're from a sink or swim.
• 41:05
  You, okay? And he was like this is someone.
• 41:06
  I know personally someone he wrote a book during saddam's
• 41:10
  time book on some sort of issue and I think had to figure out
• 41:15
  where something is house. Got raided a scholar found the
• 41:17
  book, ask all this color published a book with his own
• 41:20
  name on it. Wow the book follows the boys
• 41:23
  anyway after like 10 20 years you were back to scholar.
• 41:26
  It was like I have to ask for forgiveness when I saw Jaws, I
• 41:28
  found the book and I saw your name on it and I published it,
• 41:31
  please forgive me. So I said no.
• 41:34
  There's a problem with I forgive you, firstly, but there's a
• 41:36
  problem. You only publish the first part
• 41:39
  here. The second pot, take it, put
• 41:40
  your name on it and publish it so hard on lock that's that's as
• 41:43
  pure intent as the next level. That's what was that?
• 41:46
  That's someone who cares about what a lot of things about
• 41:47
  people think, right? And that's something I'm not
• 41:49
  saying I had something I try to. I try to inspire to would
• 41:53
  personally, I like test me with all the time.
• 41:55
  I try my best at despite toward that.
• 41:56
  That's when that's when your you understand what you're doing and
• 42:01
  you're doing it for, you need to always remind yourself.
• 42:04
  Or anyone around you that at the end of the day, it is for Allah
• 42:07
  subhanahu wa'ta'ala. And is service is serving at
• 42:10
  them. Yeah.
• 42:11
  All right I've got another question you guys.
• 42:13
  I just want to get these out of the way because we are know.
• 42:14
  We've got people that have submitted questions and so on in
• 42:17
  terms of where you have reached the spot and Charles away you
• 42:21
  will reach in terms of your status.
• 42:24
  The the the support the community of given you is that
• 42:27
  doll filk from Alaska Montana and that'll basically a salaam.
• 42:31
  Or is there an element of not I've deserve to get here?
• 42:34
  Work to get here and that's why I'm here as well.
• 42:36
  Of course, all this comes from growth.
• 42:38
  I think I'd end up there. Personally, the bus company lost
• 42:40
  money what island and the Alan Bates?
• 42:42
  No doubt. Because if they want to push
• 42:44
  someone or Elevate someone or make someone known out of,
• 42:47
  they'll make them no to wall or recognize, whether it is from
• 42:51
  Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala because it's in the eye you can
• 42:54
  you can you can go singing. There's a difference, you can go
• 42:57
  sing, you can go to other no dancing and stupid Tick-Tock
• 43:00
  videos. The people rise you.
• 43:02
  Yeah but serving Allah. Is you?
• 43:04
  There's a huge difference. Yes, honestly, yeah, I'm and
• 43:09
  I'll agree with what he says and I'll prove it to you.
• 43:12
  You keep saying all you people associate with English poetry
• 43:14
  whatnot. If you actually search that done
• 43:16
  this actually searched the most listened to, and most views no
• 43:20
  house in English, on YouTube and stuff.
• 43:23
  You'll see, I think nine out of ten of them.
• 43:25
  Have you very much by me, most of them on by me, the beginning.
• 43:28
  So yeah, they might be bigger than me, my little Polly sajjad
• 43:32
  other names of decimal. I forget.
• 43:34
  People that are really pure. Yeah, but for whatever reason,
• 43:37
  Allah has decided that it was a English poetry that they like
• 43:41
  you someone saying to myself, they associate.
• 43:43
  My name, is it that proves? And again, another point there
• 43:46
  are people out there that we know you go hand and that you've
• 43:48
  seen on, they see sufferable you've seen online that the
• 43:53
  Poetry is 10 times better than mine, it's so funny.
• 43:55
  Every once in a while I see a tree or no sounds poaching like,
• 43:58
  not good. I agree.
• 43:59
  It's not good. But I'm saying even then even
• 44:02
  though there's poetry out, that is better than mine.
• 44:04
  Much Remind people that pure than me forever reason, Allah
• 44:07
  has decided that my poetry goes for.
• 44:09
  I don't know why, I can't tell you what.
• 44:11
  Maybe there's some sort of jicama that Allah knows.
• 44:12
  I don't know yet. But what I'm saying is there's a
• 44:14
  little bit of work at the toll free at.
• 44:15
  No, that's involved. Obviously there's also an
• 44:20
  element of working hard, right? I'm not claiming, I'm going to
• 44:23
  add that. I work hard.
• 44:23
  I can definitely work harder, but people who did Jerry
• 44:27
  dedicate time to their craft will see the fruits of it.
• 44:30
  There's a T5 same Roi Salam on a mistaken.
• 44:32
  He says, if man was Has to reach a certain point if he has a goal
• 44:38
  and he actively Works toward it, he'll either reach it or a
• 44:41
  little bit less little bit more. Which means if you really try
• 44:43
  your best to reach that goal, you can reach it.
• 44:45
  And I've seen over the years. So many people that start try
• 44:48
  poetry that just disappeared. Yeah, they give up.
• 44:52
  Yeah, right and so I think really, if you really dedicate
• 44:54
  time to your craft and you really invest time and effort
• 44:57
  then our last position. So it's bit of like a hand in
• 44:59
  hand situation. All right.
• 45:00
  You know what? First off it's not that you
• 45:02
  can't get there without a lot of help but he'll also, You're
• 45:04
  working hard. Yeah, so expense.
• 45:06
  Yeah, can I see it? Can I read you a Hadith?
• 45:09
  Go sent to the audio by my brother.
• 45:12
  This is a Hadith where the holy prophet Muhammad sallallahu
• 45:14
  wasallam. Narrated to above a local father
• 45:18
  said o, Abu Saud. Do you think that lots of money
• 45:20
  is wealth? Wealth is only the wealth of the
• 45:23
  heart. And Poverty of poverty is
• 45:25
  poverty of the heart. Whoever has wealth in his heart
• 45:28
  then nothing. He faces in this life will harm
• 45:30
  him. Whoever has poverty in his
• 45:32
  heart. Then nothing he accumulates in
• 45:34
  this life will be enough for him.
• 45:36
  The only thing that will harm him is his miserliness.
• 45:39
  I think that's an incredible thing because wherever you reach
• 45:42
  and this is a perspective, I have wherever you reach in this
• 45:46
  day and age, whether it's through your work in the
• 45:48
  community, whether it's through your success in business,
• 45:51
  whether it's through the number of children, you have the that
• 45:53
  whatever it might be the last one to Allah has taken you
• 45:55
  there. And that's a that's critical for
• 45:58
  us to remember. It's very easy for us to think I
• 46:01
  worked on. I've got here, I didn't start my
• 46:03
  dad and give me alone. I thought What the heii is what
• 46:08
  Chef on, how he became who even in the audience of says, I seek
• 46:11
  refuge in Allah from the word. I yeah, which is why you see, a
• 46:14
  lot of Scholars. They say we and they said, hey,
• 46:16
  I don't do that because I find it weird to magically but also
• 46:18
  want to stop mentioning. I too much.
• 46:20
  You told me the point me, it's like, I sounds me.
• 46:25
  So, if there's someone out there listening right now, who thinks
• 46:29
  I'm writing poetry, or I started reciting, I would have become
• 46:32
  big. What's the formula for success?
• 46:34
  Is that the wrong mentality to begin with here.
• 46:37
  Because, you know, why is, why aren't I famous yet?
• 46:40
  I want to get a very similar comparison because he was like,
• 46:44
  you know, the most listen to English.
• 46:45
  No has not written by him, but he's the most notable person in.
• 46:50
  English woman comes English. Poetry, same thing.
• 46:52
  Exists are freaking the Arabic world as an example.
• 46:54
  Not gonna mention recite. His name is Mom.
• 46:56
  Going to go into the recitation field here every 23 years.
• 47:00
  Someone becomes and disappears, okay?
• 47:03
  They come they go, they come on. They only come because even they
• 47:06
  don't like high-end production value or even, they've got like
• 47:09
  a huge, huge friend community that push their work out there
• 47:14
  viral thing and then it disappears, the only one guy
• 47:17
  there is one person who has never, I think he's only done.
• 47:21
  One album is whole life and that was like when I was five years
• 47:23
  old. So now the wildness is to him
• 47:27
  that wasn't invited and he recites the same thing to her
• 47:29
  body. Anything shit has incredible,
• 47:31
  may Allah bless him. He is one humble sincere.
• 47:34
  There's so much I can tell you about this guy and me him and
• 47:38
  design. If you look up to so much
• 47:40
  because again, like he's the kind of guy, you know, it might
• 47:43
  like working hard and your, he doesn't care if there's a camera
• 47:46
  or not recording his recitation. He doesn't care if the Simon's.
• 47:48
  No. Wait, I think it's kind of sad
• 47:51
  to I don't, you get back, its kind of sad to a fall.
• 47:52
  Like he won't put a lot of effort to doing albums and I
• 47:55
  don't see a lot of effort, but like it's clear that he's more.
• 47:57
  Like, it's not every minute kind of here anymore.
• 47:59
  Kind of, you know, I'm it's from, I'm saying to me just
• 48:01
  recite, recite the same quality that I retired last year.
• 48:03
  It's fine. You know, through mountainous, a
• 48:05
  this guy you'll see mookie round table by himself, just thanks, a
• 48:09
  lot of people is that it is very, very humble.
• 48:11
  And as a result, when you go to his Madness, when you work, when
• 48:14
  you go to - do you, feel you find, you know, Sahara is not
• 48:17
  feel hot, you feel the heart of what you're saying, you feel it.
• 48:20
  Most of all know, so he's got a little albine, his Madness
• 48:29
  Maharaj. I would see him,
• 49:03
  but they just I deserve and they don't want anything in return.
• 49:06
  We talked about this last time and I love that they don't want
• 49:09
  to be famous. They don't to be Instagram
• 49:11
  influencers, I get sponsors for them.
• 49:13
  They just serving and they will put their like, my, my
• 49:17
  grandmother. I always talk about my love
• 49:19
  lesson, lengthen. The life.
• 49:20
  She like, I found this out like a couple years ago.
• 49:23
  She's written books from books. About books of our own know-how
• 49:27
  has never performed. It never occurred Johnny, she
• 49:31
  keeps to herself that. Why did you do that?
• 49:34
  Let the world hear it like but to be honest, some people just
• 49:37
  do it because it's for them. It's connection with the Lost $1
• 49:40
  or they will mourn about do that by saying through that act.
• 49:43
  And for them I love that man, that's purest form of sincerity.
• 49:46
  Like they're keeping it to themselves and they know that
• 49:49
  I'm not getting or I'm not trying to get anything out of
• 49:51
  it. Yeah you know may Allah bless
• 49:52
  those people. Can I mention two things got.
• 49:54
  So the first one is about its kind of leading on to begin your
• 49:57
  college about being a celebrity, right?
• 49:59
  It's a story. I heard that I always remember
• 50:01
  you know how much they're old-school coming out?
• 50:04
  Gee, he's the OG before Boston he was the main guy, right?
• 50:07
  What is the one who built the king of the pulpit?
• 50:10
  But he was, it's funny because like at the time obviously, now
• 50:13
  like when you were Saya and ubiquitous are you traveled, the
• 50:15
  world right at the time, healing inside kind of for City and
• 50:17
  stuff. Maybe to Kuwait and Bahrain and
• 50:19
  stuff. But generally in Iraq, right?
• 50:21
  He was known to be famous this story.
• 50:22
  I always remember him, it's funny because we talk about
• 50:26
  ideas. He would never request any
• 50:27
  money, right? He needs to get paid in a bit of
• 50:29
  money or cigarettes of the time. It sounds funny to say that but
• 50:32
  that's all he's right. But yeah, what was interesting
• 50:35
  was his craft. He used to iron clothes, no way.
• 50:39
  That's what you do for a living, right?
• 50:40
  So he and you'll be famous. So, people will come to.
• 50:43
  His people would come to a store, his eyes, his ironing,
• 50:46
  swap people come to signing shop and they given their Tracie
• 50:49
  Hunters are this big amazing retire behind the, my thing, I'm
• 50:53
  in the close to him. I always remember this because
• 50:56
  these guys, you know, very well and those who are well, versed
• 50:58
  in, you know, Las Vegas history and stuff.
• 51:01
  Him governmental couple like these guys were so pure as a If
• 51:04
  you go to Iraq today in karbala until today, they recite a lot -
• 51:08
  yeah until today. Come on.
• 51:10
  Door is buried in the shrine. I've been in Muharram the every
• 51:13
  single night. Every reciting reciting poetry
• 51:15
  they point to his grave and say this poem wasn't my call the
• 51:18
  motor coupling until today. That's where, being with us gets
• 51:21
  community in the world. You cannot have a Muharram
• 51:23
  without reciting. At least one of the one of the
• 51:26
  which way I went to Harmon in Detroit or science poetry in the
• 51:29
  trade-off impossible. Yeah, so subhanallah that's what
• 51:31
  being a guest you. The second thing is, you know,
• 51:33
  you mentioned about having Get on or having an uncle, who's
• 51:35
  kind of like you know, Loki I've had this kind of shift in my own
• 51:39
  thinking recently I had a lecture series, it's a really
• 51:43
  good exercise. I recommend that anyone by said
• 51:44
  Bonkers when you're very simple about the stages of death.
• 51:47
  So death what happens being in the grave berserk and
• 51:52
  resurrection and judgment. I think it's five episodes.
• 51:54
  You can search on YouTube you can find it.
• 51:57
  I heard that series I was like you guys know me very well.
• 51:59
  I'm a kind of like check this kind of guy.
• 52:03
  Yeah, okay I'll go get here. Let me do this so I can get here
• 52:05
  whether it be worried family or whatever is right?
• 52:08
  I'm like wait a minute. If I if I if my goal is to
• 52:10
  Hereafter let me shift that checklist to make sure I get to
• 52:13
  the highest place in heaven because that's where we're going
• 52:15
  to be for the for eternity, right?
• 52:17
  We're gonna be here for like what?
• 52:18
  20, 30 more years. If that runs your life, your of
• 52:21
  inshallah, we're going to be applying this right, then?
• 52:32
  Everything changes. Yeah, then everything you do
• 52:35
  changes which is what I was like, you know, I was very
• 52:37
  focused, you know me, I was very firm about making a film.
• 52:39
  Remember this very focused on into filmmaking.
• 52:42
  So I still got a passion for it but like, you know, if I'm gonna
• 52:45
  die in a few in a few decades, what will help me more than that
• 52:48
  is? Poetry because that's what's
• 52:50
  really gonna help me like that that's when they had made see
• 52:53
  that and it sees me that's what we're gonna help you.
• 52:54
  So let me focus on that more, you know, let me focus on
• 52:57
  sharing that bit more because that's going to help me get in
• 53:00
  the Hereafter. Let me try and be a bit more
• 53:02
  sincere. Let me you know No more a month,
• 53:04
  very simple stuff, right? So I think when you have that
• 53:06
  shift in mentality that's what will our goal is as long as
• 53:09
  everyone's intention is kind of like that.
• 53:11
  I think that's what we call to the great run.
• 53:13
  Great role models and a great Community wasn't such a know.
• 53:17
  It's been a very interesting discussion, you know, you know,
• 53:19
  although I'm your friend, the fact that you are here, I've
• 53:21
  learned a lot when it comes to this this matter the subject and
• 53:24
  your questions have really started to make me ask other
• 53:28
  questions because I think what's important and I think what we
• 53:30
  are actually really missing in this conversation and it's very
• 53:33
  Wasn't is the sincerity in the service that we all do.
• 53:37
  Not me, not you everyone, whether your recital, nor aside,
• 53:41
  whether your puzzle, Singapore, on whether you are a person just
• 53:44
  said, serving in the measures of festive facilitating, someone to
• 53:47
  come serving that modulus, the show sincerity sent and how you
• 53:51
  do your service. So I want to ask you this
• 53:54
  question already, I'm gonna, you know, you have started from a
• 53:59
  very, very youthful age serving the a debate now, that's all
• 54:02
  now. Have you seen a shift in change
• 54:06
  when it comes to people's o'clock?
• 54:09
  When it comes to serving paella? You know, I'll just I'll just go
• 54:12
  because it is Allah just about making this point before you set
• 54:14
  this, by the way, one thing I've noticed here in London, like
• 54:17
  genuinely, I don't know what it is, but there's much more of a
• 54:21
  sincerity when it comes to serving.
• 54:23
  Mom saying, I don't you guys anymore.
• 54:24
  So I'm gonna stuff it's really, really beautiful.
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  I can see I can feel it when you go from hot emerge Alessandra
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  Foundation other modules, as well.
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  Fought the me at the moving images that we do Do you can
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  really feel that people have a deep deep pure connection to my
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  insane. And you see that all the friends
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  that we have that we grew up together, 71 saying, of course,
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  what we're trying to do right thing but now it's like there's
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  a level of Purity what you're doing when you're mourning?
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  You're not morning. Because this is because this you
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  know, it's what's the word? It's a mechanical anymore.
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  You're doing it because you believe in it, you're crying
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  because this is really touching you, you know, me personally I
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  learned this by going for Giada and karbala I was there almost
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  every Muhammad past 10 years, just seeing the way.
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  They do much Mana. Shrine it just shifted my whole
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  mentality because those guys are there.
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  They've been killed this stuff. You remember, once I did a
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  documentary, Sorry about Muharram under Saddam.
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  I love how everything goes back to your FileMaker.
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  Sorry, I'm not trying to put myself.
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  I remember once it a little punch about Muharram under
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  Saddam, it shows like you are really involved.
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  Thanks, bro. So I interviewed all these
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  old-school guys that I had to the market is that.
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  Yeah. And they all shared the same
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  thing. They were like, you have no idea
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  how happy we are and how full of joy.
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  We are that we look around us right now.
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  We see more kids coming in. I see people doing Martin, we
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  see not jealous, it brings us happen, PPL coming 4.
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  It brings happiness since that time, every Muharram my friends
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  will tell you this you know me like you're miserable the whole
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  year when tomorrow comes you you a sense of Joy about you
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  obviously. It's a very sad time but I feel
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  happy because I feel blessed. I feel blessed to be among the
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  sons of mine saying, I feel I feel I feel Joy that we're
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  giving that to fear, ultimately, to be there and stuff.
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  And I think that's one thing that I'm really, really proud
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  of. And one thing that I see, maybe
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  it's a lot blessing, especially I feel like per second, my own
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  experience, especially what I see in in London with But the
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  Majoris, there's a level of Purity that has really come to.
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  Some other words come from but it's just, it's something really
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  inspiring to me. It reminds me to keep it
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  sincere. Reminds me to renew your
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  intention before you do anything and it's something I tried to
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  carry with me all the time. I've got a million-dollar
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  question for you, the working indoors or and that's let's say
• 56:43
  someone who's new in this field. You know, maybe an upcoming
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  reciter of coming Lecturer as someone who's, you know, spent
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  more than half your life. I can say serving this Faith.
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  Allah Allah, the excellent bait. In particular, my Posse.
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  What advice would you give them to keep them in?
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  Check, I was a lock humbleness. You know how to keep them
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  maintaining that service as they rise to fame?
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  Very easy, very easy, very simple.
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  Don't forget. That Allah gave you.
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  This Allah can take your last name.
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  I'm saying, gave you this your mom say and this is try.
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  How many speakers have you seen over the years that have gone up
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  and disappeared? Yeah, the site is up
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  disappeared. Allah can take you to Vic.
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  We like this. Yeah, so don't forget that.
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  Don't forget who I remember going to be the story.
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  That was, you know, I sense there that were cited, a couple
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  of very old school guy. Right here.
• 57:41
  Is someone who's interviewing him and they asked him.
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  How do you decide? Which was I from Harlem, like
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  what was your purpose is that has interesting.
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  Yeah. And he goes and he said
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  something that made that made me.
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  Realize is so true. He was personally, I'm of the
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  belief that before Muharram comes Imam.
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  Hussain brings was retires, he says you go here.
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  You go there, you're saying here you are saying that and he goes
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  I know the perfect and this is true units as well because our
• 58:05
  plan to be somewhere and then someday, I'll be somewhere
• 58:07
  somewhere else. I said I'll panting camera and
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  then could have to link them site of exam because he said
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  that. So even me Photon, personally,
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  there's been times where I've really want to recite somewhere
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  and this is so funny. Actually I really wanted to
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  recite somewhere but it didn't happen.
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  And then I see, for example, that I took on my videos and
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  play the video instead, that's right because people request
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  It's really crazy. Even for example, this year was
• 58:42
  the second year that I must. I'll be fine.
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  You guys know what comes out of item?
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  Be crazy. It was my second year, based on
• 58:47
  Vine, I didn't go to go to karbala, but I went to Los
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  Angeles to recite follow button and it was one most beautiful,
• 58:55
  impactful programs that I've been in.
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  Because there were people there that want that won't she That
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  won't even Muslim that were there to appreciate the Poetry.
• 59:03
  So it's like a mom was saying, told me I know you want to come.
• 59:06
  I need you here and that's we got our members.
• 59:08
  You look at purpose? Yeah.
• 59:09
  When we took a while, I'm saying being alive.
• 59:10
  We mean. Is that like when I go to Sera?
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  And I'm sure you guys feels well when you go to the Grave, it's
• 59:15
  not that you're just saying Salam to Metal.
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  He's, we have highly that he's sitting there listening to
• 59:21
  people answering people's wishes, that's how I see it.
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  So for me, this is my king and I meant to serve him and whether
• 59:26
  it was and he commands me and I do, I'll let that's why I aspire
• 59:29
  to do. And I think that's the main
• 59:31
  thing to keep on. You want to love bless, you
• 59:32
  always crown on every month. Just as a last comment, maybe to
• 59:39
  wrap up and shallow, you know, we can all have this mentality
• 59:41
  going forward. They just to just to add.
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  We should we should try and apply that Allah has given this
• 59:48
  and can take to everything. You know, I mean to your health,
• 59:52
  your wealth your family to it all all the barakatuh Los
• 59:56
  pantalones. Sometimes allow me to take your
• 59:58
  turn away from you might be good for you.
• 59:59
  Yeah. Nothing right.
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  It doesn't mean a lot upset with you maybe.
• 1:00:03
  For example, he needs you, for example, to do something else
• 1:00:05
  for now. Yeah, I think that's what I'm
• 1:00:07
  trying to get as I just be in sync with Allah's plan and the
• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:12
  We started this conversation on. You guys, charging thousands.
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  I don't try and joking. I'm joking, I'm joking.
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• 1:00:31
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• 1:00:34
  individual, who's part of our community, has their own story,
• 1:00:37
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  anyone, you know, I've been so much conversation.
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  Like did you hear this guy charge?
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  This. Do you hear this guy said this
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  is this community doesn't end, just stop it.
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  I mean yeah and at the end of the day it's you know I lost 12
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  you know, he knows what's to come.
• 1:00:55
  Yeah, and he's given us, the free will to I think, by the
• 1:00:57
  way, also, it really comes down to your intention.
• 1:01:00
  Of course some people they got they call us money because their
• 1:01:02
  advice my my intention is cute. Some people like if I don't ask
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  for money, I don't get paid, my intention is cute but that's far
• 1:01:07
  enough. So then I think there's a
• 1:01:08
  problem thing. I think it's also specific to
• 1:01:11
  yourself how much, you know, yourself and what your intention
• 1:01:14
  is a. So comes down to your knee.
• 1:01:15
  Yeah. Of course of course yeah
• 1:01:17
  everyone will have their own and you guys very kindly shared your
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• 1:01:23
  filters you use for yourself, not a you'll treat business
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  different communities saying you will have your own perspective
• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:31
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  well, the last speaker charge me this, but you're trying to be
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