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Speaker 1: He's the good reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, former Prime Minister Scott Morrison says Muslim imams should
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Speaker 2: have to have a license to preach. Really, the mystery deepens.
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Speaker 2: The new Southwest Premier and Health Minister today wouldn't say
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Speaker 2: exactly why a Jewish woman at Liverpool Hospital had to
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Speaker 2: be disguised with an Anglo name. And the ABC checks
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Speaker 2: with locals at a town that set a state record
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Speaker 2: in this heat wave and hey, no panic at all.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't feel that hot, doesn't feel too bad.
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Speaker 2: But first there's a saying hang together or you'll be
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Speaker 2: hanged separately. And don't the coalition parties, the Liberals and
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Speaker 2: the Nationals now know it. I mean you look at them.
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Speaker 2: They're ridiculous, squabbly and all split after the Nationals effectively
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Speaker 2: walked out of the coalition last week and result they
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Speaker 2: now face an absolute wipeout judging by two new Poles,
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Speaker 2: and that's a tragedy for the country, which is meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: of course being butchered by the Albadezi government. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you just look at today's surprise inflation figures jumping up
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Speaker 2: again today to three point eight percent, meaning interest rates
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Speaker 2: next week are very likely to go up with the
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Speaker 2: treasurer all out of excuses the day after having spent
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Speaker 2: far too much.
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Speaker 4: Inflation ticked up today. It is higher than we'd like.
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Speaker 4: We expected it to tick up, but we know that
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Speaker 4: doesn't make it any.
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Speaker 2: Easier for people.
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Speaker 4: What does take some of the edge off some of
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Speaker 4: these cost of living pressures is the government's responsible cost
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Speaker 4: of living relief, which we have been rolling out in
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Speaker 4: the context of a budget which we've been getting in
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Speaker 4: Betternick at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Now I said, these new poles are a tragedy for
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Speaker 2: the country because they don't just show the coalition parties
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Speaker 2: of cactus. They also suggest that Australians would actually boot
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Speaker 2: out the Albanezi government if the alternative here wasn't such
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Speaker 2: a rebel. So let's go through these polls. What they
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Speaker 2: also show the Liberals and Nationals must change at least
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Speaker 2: one or possibly two of their leaders and get back
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Speaker 2: together like you know, next week would be good. Poll
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Speaker 2: one is the Skye News Pulse poll that has Labor
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Speaker 2: on a miserable thirty one percent of the primary vote.
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Speaker 2: But the now ex coalition parties are of course even worse.
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Speaker 2: Adding them all up the Nationals, the Liberals, the LMP,
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Speaker 2: the coalp just twenty percent, and that now is way
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Speaker 2: behind Pauling Hands as One Nation, which is rocketed to
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Speaker 2: twenty five percent. Then there's a Demos poll. It also
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Speaker 2: had one Nation well above the ex coalition and also
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Speaker 2: had Labor ahead. But again look at Labour's primary vote
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Speaker 2: just thirty percent. Thirty percent is extraordinarily low for a
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Speaker 2: government with such political dominance over the opposition. But of
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Speaker 2: course more damning for Lee personally is that more strands
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Speaker 2: in this poll preferred Pauline Hansen as Prime minister twenty
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Speaker 2: six percent than her Lee, who's on just sixteen percent. Now,
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Speaker 2: I know it's just a poll, and I actually like
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee very much. I mean, I think she's shown
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Speaker 2: great dignity under impossible circumstances. She's been undermined, she's been unlucky.
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Speaker 2: But it's true that she lacks authority over a pretty
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Speaker 2: rapty party and events in the poll seem implacably against her.
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Speaker 2: So let me repeat though. You see how to the
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Speaker 2: support Labor has even with the coalition so divided and unworthy,
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Speaker 2: and that suggests that Albanezie could be in trouble if
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Speaker 2: the Liberals and Nationals cut the crap and knocked themselves
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Speaker 2: into shape. If they got bright new leaders, that would
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Speaker 2: help and reformed the coalition, presenting new faces in a
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Speaker 2: new vision, and that transformation would start with David Little Proud.
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Speaker 2: He's got to go. He's now busted up this coalition
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Speaker 2: twice and can't be given the chance to do it
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Speaker 2: again a third time. Now Little Proud last week made
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Speaker 2: the Coalition of clown show by leading a National's walk
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Speaker 2: out from the Shadow ministry. He was stamping his foot
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Speaker 2: because Lee had dumped three National shadow ministers because they'd
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Speaker 2: voted against hate group laws that the shadow cabinet had
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Speaker 2: decided to actually back. Now Little Proud even shouted at
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Speaker 2: Lee that she should quit. But now realizing no kidding
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Speaker 2: the National's face of wipeout, it says it actually would
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Speaker 2: like to come back if Lee would just reappoint those
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Speaker 2: three National shadow ministers she dumped for breaking shadow cabinet solidarity.
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Speaker 1: We're in no rush.
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Speaker 5: If the three are ren started, the coalition goes back
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Speaker 5: to all the terms and conditions that we had that
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Speaker 5: we signed up to in May.
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Speaker 1: That was what the party were in.
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Speaker 5: Voted for, and that's what we've got so we're calm
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Speaker 5: about that.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, David, no can do. Agreeing to your demands would
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Speaker 2: be rewarding your bad behavior and make Lee look fatally weak.
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Speaker 2: By the way, yes, there is a rush to fix this.
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Speaker 2: The longer people get used to saying I'm going to
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Speaker 2: vote One Nation and all that support will become a habit.
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Speaker 2: And not just the warning, but the price of reforming
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Speaker 2: the coalition is Little Proud's head. He's got to go.
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Speaker 2: And today Nationals MP Colin Boyce went on SKA News
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Speaker 2: to announce You'll be calling a leadership spill on Monday
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Speaker 2: to get rid of Little Proud.
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Speaker 6: I will announce to you right here today you heard
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Speaker 6: it first. I will be moving a spill motion on
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Speaker 6: Monday afternoon, and so I will be standing for the leadership.
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Speaker 6: David has made some bad decisions recently.
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Speaker 2: No, no, Boyce is next to no chance of winning really,
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Speaker 2: but someone else could put up their hand and they
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Speaker 2: could win, and Matt Canavan for instance. Otherwise this mess continues,
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Speaker 2: and Boyce may even follow Barnaby Joyce and effect to
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Speaker 2: the rampaging One Nation has already been considering just that,
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Speaker 2: although today said he had no such plans. Maybe he
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Speaker 2: couldn't win his seat if he did. Maybe he's worked
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Speaker 2: that out. But whatever, this coalition shambles cannot continue, and
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Speaker 2: not just because the Liberals and Nationals separately face oblivion.
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Speaker 2: This country cannot afford to keep a labor governor's policies
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Speaker 2: have so utterly failed. It's not just that inflation is
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Speaker 2: rising again, that interest rates will rise and rise again.
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Speaker 2: Look at the government's disastrous screen schemes, the soaring power prices,
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Speaker 2: the division under labor, it's betrayal of Jews, the mass
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Speaker 2: immigration that's so hated by voters, and Labour's wild spending
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Speaker 2: that's leaving us for a trillion dollar debt this year
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Speaker 2: and a decade of deficits to come. Australia can't afford this,
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Speaker 2: but needs a credible United alternative to vote for. The
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Speaker 2: Liberals and Nationals betray our country by not offering it.
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Speaker 2: But the coalition can get together again only if you
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Speaker 2: can tell a good story to explain why, a story
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Speaker 2: that's not oh, the Liberals just caved again. It's got
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Speaker 2: to be a positive story about a regeneration. And that
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Speaker 2: means bye bye, Little Proud and probably lee as well.
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Speaker 2: And look, imagine if they're replaced by Liberal Andrew Hasey,
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Speaker 2: a former Essays captain, and the Nationals Matt Canavan, even
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Speaker 2: though he's in the Senate. That's at least a fresh coalition,
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Speaker 2: a fresh look, a fresh start worth really so fresh
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Speaker 2: that hates the actually is zero ministerial experience and a
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Speaker 2: lot to learn, which does worry me. But anything less
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Speaker 2: than a radical reform will not work. I think photos
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Speaker 2: are now just too sick of more of the same
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Speaker 2: joining me is he does every week? Is that saying
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan. I've just been pushing as the next Nationals
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Speaker 2: leaders leader. Matt Canavan, thanks for joining us here is
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Speaker 2: must be burning. But will you stand again against David
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Speaker 2: Little Browd in Monday's leadership spill?
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Speaker 7: No, I won't, Andrew, but I am very humbled by
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Speaker 7: your support to appreciate that, and thanks very much for
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Speaker 7: your confidence in me. But look, I do believe right
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Speaker 7: now that cooler heads prevail. We've had a traumatic week
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Speaker 7: last last time we're in Canberra. We're going back to
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Speaker 7: Canberra in a week's time and I want to be
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Speaker 7: part of a process of building bridges and building back here.
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Speaker 7: We had our disagreement last week I'm very, very proud
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Speaker 7: of the National's Party for standing by our principles to
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Speaker 7: defend yours and your viewer's rights to free speech.
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Speaker 1: But we had a disagreement that is in the past.
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Speaker 7: I feel no ill will to my liberal colleagues, and
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Speaker 7: I hope we can get back together to the main
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Speaker 7: game here. The main game is, as you've outlined in
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Speaker 7: your editorial as well, is how poorly our country is
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Speaker 7: being run. We have the highest inflation rate now in
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Speaker 7: the developed world, up to today's data. We already have
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Speaker 7: the highest government interest rates which flow through to your mortgages.
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Speaker 7: Interest rates on your mortgages probably will go up again
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Speaker 7: next week.
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Speaker 1: Australia just can't.
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Speaker 7: Afford more of this mismanagement that is giving us the
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Speaker 7: highest electricity prices, the highest inflation rates, the highest interest rates,
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Speaker 7: and crushing the living standards of Australians.
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Speaker 1: We've had the biggest drop.
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Speaker 7: In living standards of the developed world since COVID, And
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Speaker 7: if you believe the Treasurer today, the only thing he's
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Speaker 7: focused on is so what's going on in our parties?
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Speaker 7: And I realized we've got some work to do, but
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Speaker 7: it would be much much better if we had a
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Speaker 7: government that's focused on doing what they can to control inflation,
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Speaker 7: to deliver higher living standards for Australians and ultimately a
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Speaker 7: better future for all our children.
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Speaker 2: I don't know whether you heard that say of regret
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Speaker 2: from viewers all over the country when you said you
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Speaker 2: weren't standing again, but I suspect your day may come.
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Speaker 2: These two new polls, the Coalition way behind one nation
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Speaker 2: in both. What do they tell you?
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Speaker 1: It tells me we've got a lot of work to do.
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Speaker 7: It tells me that we've got to get back to
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Speaker 7: fighting for what we believe in.
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Speaker 1: Andrew, we are here.
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Speaker 7: I believe that this is the culmination of spending too long,
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Speaker 7: for too much time focused on the poles, focused on
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Speaker 7: the threat that we did face from seats, so much
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Speaker 7: so that we tied ourselves in so many knots trying
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Speaker 7: to chase voters in these TiAl seats that we forgot
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Speaker 7: about what we believe in, who we're there to represent,
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Speaker 7: and who were there to fight for. And so, yes,
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Speaker 7: these polls are concerning for our political movement, concerning for
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Speaker 7: our future, but that is not what we've got to
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Speaker 7: focus on to get back to a winning position. It
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Speaker 7: is just a bit like playing football. You don't to win,
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Speaker 7: you don't spend your time looking at the school board.
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Speaker 7: You spend your time doing the basic things right, catching
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Speaker 7: the ball, making the tackles.
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Speaker 1: That's what we've got to do here.
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Speaker 7: And we've got a very clear platform about what we
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Speaker 7: believe in. We should use that as our guiding north
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Speaker 7: star to focus on the direction we go in. And
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Speaker 7: I feel we forgot that last week when we as
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Speaker 7: a coalition, at least as a as a group to
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Speaker 7: join with labor to infringe on people's rights. We've forgotten
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Speaker 7: that when we signed up to net zero in a
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Speaker 7: desperate attempt to win votes forgetting about what we believe
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Speaker 7: in in lower government, smaller governments, enhanced opportunity for all.
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Speaker 1: That's what we've got to get back to.
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Speaker 7: If we get back to that and argue for that,
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Speaker 7: I think this government is there for the taking. As
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Speaker 7: you say, they have hardly a record to stand on,
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Speaker 7: but we have a strong set of principles, strong solutions
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Speaker 7: for the austrained people, and we've just got to have
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Speaker 7: the guts and confidence to argue for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, you know Monday's now going to be
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Speaker 2: all about this leadership spill. I mean, i'd rate common
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Speaker 2: boys's chances it's about one percent, probably less. Maybe I'm
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Speaker 2: being generous, but you know, even so, that's going to
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Speaker 2: be the story, and I don't know if it ever's
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Speaker 2: going to stop being the story. There's you know, the coalition, this,
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Speaker 2: that and whatever until the boilers lanced.
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Speaker 7: Well, you're going to have bad days and good days,
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Speaker 7: and if you wallow in in sorrow and the bad days,
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Speaker 7: you'll never get to the good days. So yeah, look,
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Speaker 7: it's probably going to be not the best day next
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Speaker 7: Monday for us, but there's a many many more days
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Speaker 7: before the next election. And it hasn't been a great
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Speaker 7: day for the government. Hasn't been a great day for
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Speaker 7: Australians today with inflation skyrocketing back up to three percent.
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Speaker 7: So that's what we've got to focus on. What is
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Speaker 7: our solution for that. That's got to start with killing
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Speaker 7: net zero, got to get rid of that. That is
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Speaker 7: a massive anchor on our economy and pushing up the
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Speaker 7: price of everything. It's behind a lot of the inflation
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Speaker 7: numbers we see. We've got to properly control our border
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Speaker 7: cut migration level, so that housing, hospitals, roads and other
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Speaker 7: services can be available for Australians, take the pressure off
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Speaker 7: those also bringing down inflationary pressures in the cost of living.
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Speaker 7: Those are the things we've got to focus on the
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Speaker 7: days beyond Monday, that will be definitely my focus and
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Speaker 7: we've just got to get that whole team pushing in
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Speaker 7: that direction.
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Speaker 1: So I am.
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Speaker 7: I'm very much an optimist and there's been a little
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Speaker 7: traumatic this last few weeks, but maybe maybe there'll be
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Speaker 7: a rebirth of our movement out of this trauma. A
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Speaker 7: birth is pretty traumatic, but something, something great comes out
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Speaker 7: of it.
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Speaker 1: So let's just see.
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Speaker 2: Boy, you are an optimist, Matt, because you're looking at
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Speaker 2: these poles. One nation is a juggernaut. It is somehow
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Speaker 2: I think you'll disappear, you know, like well rain during
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Speaker 2: a it's not automatic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I look.
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Speaker 7: But in saying that, Andrew a year ago here ago
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Speaker 7: the poll said that Peter Dutton would be Prime minister right,
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Speaker 7: just a year ago and the elections in two years time,
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Speaker 7: So there's a lot of water to go under the
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Speaker 7: bridge just yet. And I'm never going to give up
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Speaker 7: on the australed people. I'm never going to give up fighting.
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Speaker 7: That's all you can do. And I am very confident
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Speaker 7: that if we do that, we have the team, we
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Speaker 7: have the principles, we've got the the record, we've got
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Speaker 7: the party structure, I mean for all. And I've got
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Speaker 7: a lot of respect for Pauline and what she's done
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Speaker 7: in politics, but she hasn't delivered a lot, hasn't got
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Speaker 7: a lot on her list of achievements of what she's built,
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Speaker 7: what laws she's passed or got behind in the Parliament.
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Speaker 7: And also the other problem with her she doesn't have
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Speaker 7: a structure selector a strong team. Because however much you
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Speaker 7: might like one person down there with it or Pauline Hanton,
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Speaker 7: you only get one vote. You only get one vote.
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Speaker 7: You need a team to do anything in life. And
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Speaker 7: that's another thing that Pauline hasn't there.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: We've got to get our team back together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she would actually like you on board. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you'd be a great shadow treasurer. And let's not forget
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Speaker 2: that with Barnaby there after the next election, one nation
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Speaker 2: will probably have more senators than you will as the Nationals.
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Speaker 2: So you know, if you want a big team, that's
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Speaker 2: that might be the one to go for. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: just very quickly, I'll talk to and say it's a
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Speaker 2: long way to got Morris, a long way to go. Well,
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Speaker 2: there is a long way to go. There is a
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Speaker 2: long way to go. Now I'll o'live it that. Matt Canavan,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much indeed for your time, really appreciated.
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Speaker 2: After the break inflation today on the rise, as we've
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Speaker 2: been talking about with Matt Canavan, you have to ask, now,
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Speaker 2: has the Albanizi government here created a disaster? Well, today
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Speaker 2: confirmed that the Albanize government's economic policies have just a
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Speaker 2: complete mess, have been failing big time and that's going
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Speaker 2: to hurt a lot of Australians. Already. We've seen debt
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Speaker 2: is rising already, we've seen power prices are soaring, living
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Speaker 2: standards are falling, productivity is low, the deficits are blowing
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Speaker 2: by another fifty seven billion dollars says Treasury now and
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Speaker 2: today another blow. Inflation, like we've said before, has jumped
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Speaker 2: to three point eight percent, with experts saying, well that's
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Speaker 2: going to lock in two probably three rises and interest
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Speaker 2: rates over the next year when many strands won't be
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Speaker 2: able to afford that. It is now clear that the
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Speaker 2: government and the Reserve Bank got that all wrong. They
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Speaker 2: thought inflation was under control, it was not. They thought
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Speaker 2: that the government wasn't spending too much adding to the
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Speaker 2: inflation danger.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: And even today treasure Jim Chalmers was refusing to take
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Speaker 2: responsibility for this inflation, blaming the steta's old favorite international uncertainty.
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Speaker 7: Government reduces spending, doesn't that take a bit of pressure
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Speaker 7: off the RBA?
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Speaker 4: If public spending was the primary determinant of interest rate
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Speaker 4: changes in Australia, we've got to remember we've just had
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Speaker 4: over the course of the last twelve months or so,
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Speaker 4: three interest rate cuts. Our second point is, if you
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Speaker 4: look at the public commentary from the Reserve Bank, they
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Speaker 4: haven't identified public spending as a factor in its recent thinking.
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Speaker 8: If the Treasurer of Australia cannot accept responsibility for the problem,
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Speaker 8: he can be relied upon to fix it.
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Speaker 2: Joining is the political panel. Cameron Milner, former chief of
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Speaker 2: staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten and now director of
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Speaker 2: g xo's Strategies, and Michael cost the former New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Labor Treasurer. Cameron, what do in today's inflation figures
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Speaker 2: tell you? Well, it's a terrible set of numbers.
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Speaker 9: I mean, this is inflation back in control again in
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Speaker 9: the Australian economy. I mean, mister Albernie said a mission
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Speaker 9: accomplished at the election on inflation. He said he'd slay
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Speaker 9: the inflation dragon. And let's not forget that. Michelle Bullock
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Speaker 9: basically fire the starter has gone on his re election
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Speaker 9: campaign by cutting interest rates a year ago, which put
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Speaker 9: imputus back into his vote again. So no, this is
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Speaker 9: a terrible set of numbers and it's what we knew
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Speaker 9: was coming, Andrew. We knew that government expenditure was out
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Speaker 9: of control. We knew the economy is so still overheating,
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Speaker 9: and the government had no answer to inflation other than
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Speaker 9: cruelly punishing everyone who's got a credit card, everyone's got
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Speaker 9: a mortgage and unfortunately renders as well. Says an awful
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Speaker 9: lot of cost of living pain to come from, mister
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Speaker 9: cost of living, mister Alberinez, with these inflation numbers.
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael Kosta, what do you make of all this?
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Speaker 2: Because it seems to me that the government has failed
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Speaker 2: and the Reserve Bank failed with it.
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Speaker 10: Well, the person that's failed, and I hate to say this, Cameron,
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Speaker 10: is Jim Chalmers. Remember the underlying strategy here the Reserve
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Speaker 10: Bank has been undertaking was one that he designed. They
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Speaker 10: went through all of those reforms, Andrew, you remember those,
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Speaker 10: They split the board, they put a new strategy in place,
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Speaker 10: They changed the mandate, which was critical. And not only that,
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Speaker 10: they pushed and the Treasurer pushed for this, for a
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Speaker 10: gradual increase in interest rates to try and manage unemployment.
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Speaker 10: No other reserve bank did that, and they managed to go.
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Speaker 10: They went harder, but they came down quicker in terms
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Speaker 10: of the rate. So he's totally responsible. And you know,
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Speaker 10: this sort of nonsense.
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Speaker 11: The Blake's clueless.
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Speaker 10: To say that government spending has no impact on inflation
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Speaker 10: is absurd. It feeds straight into the labor market that
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Speaker 10: pushes up the pressure on wages and costs, into input costs,
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Speaker 10: and that's precisely the problem. And then when you add
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Speaker 10: on top, you know, a super hyper immigration program which
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Speaker 10: they have done, you're putting more pressure into the system.
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Speaker 11: And all of the spending you outline, Andrew's correct.
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Speaker 10: You know, you know, the renewables, the waste in welfare spending,
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Speaker 10: unmean tested welfare spending at that, you know, the childcare payments,
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Speaker 10: the hex payments reduction, and.
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Speaker 11: You know the quantum computers. We can go. The list
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Speaker 11: goes on and on.
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Speaker 10: And as for the budget debt, remember you know Australia's
20:53
Speaker 10: debt doesn't include in their figures all the off budget items.
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Speaker 11: You know, there's a lot of those renewables are in
20:59
Speaker 11: the off budge area.
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Speaker 10: And then you've got the NDIS problems where they've not
21:03
Speaker 10: managed to do anything.
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Speaker 11: They are completely responsible. It's an absolute disaster.
21:08
Speaker 10: Interest rates will go up, they need to go up,
21:11
Speaker 10: but who knows with this Reserve Bank, given the pressure
21:14
Speaker 10: that's been put on them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the two of their handouts are particularly
21:21
Speaker 2: really sticky micraw because it's so unproductive and so wasteful.
21:25
Speaker 2: One is forgiving student debt, I mean this is debt
21:29
Speaker 2: contracted other people paid theirs off. And the other words
21:33
Speaker 2: giving unmeans tested free childcare even to families that aren't working.
21:40
Speaker 2: I mean, what the hell is that?
21:42
Speaker 6: Cameron.
21:43
Speaker 2: I also thought the Treasurer's excuse today, Look, we actually
21:47
Speaker 2: did a good job and that's why we've got so
21:49
Speaker 2: many interest rate cuts before. Well they're now going to
21:52
Speaker 2: go up. It's actually making a virtue of a sin
21:56
Speaker 2: because they cut interest rates too much when wasn't under control.
22:02
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe that answer.
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Speaker 9: Today, well no, and I think Michael I can agree
22:08
Speaker 9: on this. I mean I have a lot of time
22:09
Speaker 9: for Jim, as you know, Michael, but on the interest rates,
22:12
Speaker 9: I think the RBA has been heavily politicized. I think
22:14
Speaker 9: they cut to help Albert get re elected in the
22:16
Speaker 9: midst of a cost of living crisis, and that really
22:19
Speaker 9: helped his vote. And I think they're going to be
22:20
Speaker 9: highly embarrassed now by the fact that every economist is
22:23
Speaker 9: going to say interest rates have to go up by
22:24
Speaker 9: fifty to even seventy five basis points to reverse out
22:27
Speaker 9: completely the cuts that Albert previously had, because inflation is
22:31
Speaker 9: out of control and that's an economy wide problem.
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Speaker 2: Now. Two more polls today, Michael, both showing more support
22:40
Speaker 2: for one Nation than for the Liberals and the Nationals together.
22:44
Speaker 2: That follows a news poll It's a week and a
22:49
Speaker 2: bit ago that said the same. This is starting to
22:52
Speaker 2: look a bit more than a temporary blip, a sort
22:55
Speaker 2: of protest. This is starting to become a habit.
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Speaker 1: Andrew.
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Speaker 10: I share Matt Canavan's view on this. Sometimes you've got
23:05
Speaker 10: to have a fight. The real issue here is a
23:07
Speaker 10: coalition that's left of center cannot win an election. And
23:11
Speaker 10: you can dress up anything you like. A strategy that
23:15
Speaker 10: focuses on winning tool seats, which the last strategy did.
23:18
Speaker 10: Unfortunately it cannot deliver government. They need to go through this.
23:23
Speaker 10: They need to clean out the policy problems, get their
23:27
Speaker 10: values right and focus where they have to focus, and
23:29
Speaker 10: that's out of suburban seats in the regions. Now one nation, Andrew,
23:34
Speaker 10: I've heard the one nation story for two decades. You know,
23:37
Speaker 10: you know they was supposed to win all these seats
23:39
Speaker 10: in Queensland. They never won those. Their strategy you can
23:42
Speaker 10: tell what it is. It's a senate strategy that you know,
23:44
Speaker 10: Barnaby's not running in a lower House seat. If they're
23:47
Speaker 10: so confident, why isn't he running in.
23:48
Speaker 11: A lower house seat? So really, you know they will
23:51
Speaker 11: get a kick up.
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Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, the coalition and
23:55
Speaker 10: particularly the National Party needs to focus on getting the
23:58
Speaker 10: value set right and leaders that reflect that value set
24:02
Speaker 10: or they've got no hope.
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Speaker 2: M Michael Cossas's new leaders. Is that how you see it?
24:09
Speaker 2: At Cameron?
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, Andrew, and I think you're editory it's the top
24:14
Speaker 9: of this program is perfect.
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Speaker 2: I mean Little Pride has to go.
24:16
Speaker 9: I mean he's a political uni bomber walking around with
24:18
Speaker 9: whether you know a vest strapped him so or try
24:20
Speaker 9: to blow up the coalition. No, he's got to go,
24:22
Speaker 9: and he hasn't shown the temperament to be a leader. Andrew,
24:25
Speaker 9: he's got to go. But I think I think Lay
24:27
Speaker 9: has got to go as well. I mean, this has
24:29
Speaker 9: got to be the McBeth option. If it's got to
24:30
Speaker 9: be done, it's got to be done quickly. Cut, cut
24:33
Speaker 9: the cut the wound, quarterize it, as you say, lance
24:35
Speaker 9: the boil and deal with both leaders, get.
24:38
Speaker 2: Them off off stage. That that's last last year's problem.
24:42
Speaker 9: A fresh new team for the Coalition to finally take
24:44
Speaker 9: the fight up to labor and give us a decent
24:46
Speaker 9: government by giving us a decent opposition.
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa, what do you think needs to be done
24:53
Speaker 2: to save the opposition?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, leaders, leaders have got to be changed, that's
24:58
Speaker 10: for sure. But if they're going to be aims around
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Speaker 10: the existing set of values and policies, they're in trouble.
25:04
Speaker 10: I will repeat what I said last week. Susan Lee
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Speaker 10: should not have voted for those hate speech laws.
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Speaker 11: They are terrible. Well, you can see in the.
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Speaker 10: AG's advice yesterday to the Immahns that we're heading for
25:17
Speaker 10: blasphemy laws. You're allowed to criticize, criticize the state of
25:21
Speaker 10: Israel and call it genocidal and everything else. That's acceptable
25:25
Speaker 10: because it's a state, even though all of the policies
25:28
Speaker 10: that are causing the problems in the first place, that
25:32
Speaker 10: lead to these political actions and military military actions not
25:37
Speaker 10: to be criticized. It's just a terrible, terrible set of laws.
25:42
Speaker 10: And I think they did the right thing, But that's
25:43
Speaker 10: not the issue. The issue for me is the values.
25:46
Speaker 10: You need right wing, the right of center policies to
25:50
Speaker 10: win the coalition's base back, and you can't do that
25:54
Speaker 10: with this current set alluders because their left wing is
25:57
Speaker 10: particularly in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: Well, i'd suggest that you can't do it with the
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Speaker 2: current set of Liberal Party members, since it'd be like
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Speaker 2: hurting cats through a dog pound. There are some way
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Speaker 2: on the left, some on the other side. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Lee's had the hell of a task trying to keep
26:15
Speaker 2: that mob together, and I'd wonder if anyone can that
26:18
Speaker 2: is the real issue. Just before I go camera, I
26:22
Speaker 2: just want to circle back to something, I asked Michael,
26:27
Speaker 2: I actually think well that I know there's going to
26:29
Speaker 2: be some big one nation announcement next week. They plan
26:33
Speaker 2: to announce one or two high profile candidates, one I'm
26:37
Speaker 2: told with a very good finance background that would helped
26:41
Speaker 2: them boost their credibility there. I don't know who it is,
26:44
Speaker 2: so I'm just taking the word for it or reporting
26:47
Speaker 2: their word. And mining billionaire Gina Reinhard is donating a bigger,
26:51
Speaker 2: faster and safer plane to help Pauline hands and get
26:55
Speaker 2: around the country. Look, I'm not so sure the bubble
27:00
Speaker 2: will burst that soon, are you No?
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Speaker 9: And I think you and I've discussed this. This is
27:06
Speaker 9: like the UK Reform. I mean, Nigel Farage has taken
27:08
Speaker 9: a party from five members of Parliament to being the
27:11
Speaker 9: leading and most popular party inside eighteen months in the UK,
27:14
Speaker 9: and I think we're on track for this.
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Speaker 2: And the really interesting thing.
27:17
Speaker 9: Was sky News poll showed for the first time a
27:19
Speaker 9: major drop in the Labor primary.
27:21
Speaker 2: And that's what's happened in the UK.
27:23
Speaker 9: Reform took from the Conservatives and is now taken from
27:25
Speaker 9: Starmer's Labor and Albert thirty percent is only five.
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Speaker 2: Points ahead of one nation on Sky News pole.
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Speaker 9: And that's the big news that came out of the pole,
27:33
Speaker 9: just how close one nation is to labor now.
27:36
Speaker 11: But we're a preferential system, not this.
27:38
Speaker 2: But well, I think they're going to really have a
27:44
Speaker 2: grip on the center to the very least, and that's
27:46
Speaker 2: going to be that's going to be big whatever. Exactly exactly, No,
27:51
Speaker 2: you can't form government in the Senate, but you can
27:53
Speaker 2: really start pushing a government around big time, and I
27:57
Speaker 2: think that's the interim goal. Michael Coss the cameraon Milner.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much to you both. After the break,
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison calls from Muslim preachers to be licensed, but
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Speaker 2: then the ABC this morning showed exactly why it's Christian
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Speaker 2: preachers will probably lose their freedom. Former Liberal Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison has an idea to stop Islamist hate preachers.
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Speaker 2: Make them get a license before they can preach.
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Speaker 1: Here.
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Speaker 2: He is last night explaining it all in a speech
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Speaker 2: in Israel.
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Speaker 12: Islamic leaders have a pastoral duty to protect their communities
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Speaker 12: from radicalization, and it is time that the Islamic institutions
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Speaker 12: in Australia adopted nationally consistent self regulated standards including a
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Speaker 12: recognized accreditation work from ARMS, a national register for public
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Speaker 12: facing roles, clear training and conduct requirements, and disciplinary authority
28:55
Speaker 12: for their governing councils. This requires a peak body that
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Speaker 12: goes beyond representation to being given the authority and tools
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Speaker 12: to enforce membership standards.
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Speaker 2: And surprise, Opposition Housing spokesman Andrew Bragg is actually from
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Speaker 2: the liberal left. I thought this wasn't such a crazy idea.
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Speaker 4: I think there are elements there that have been identified
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Speaker 4: that the're worth looking at.
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Speaker 2: Well. Seriously, look, I know, superficially what Morrison said will
29:27
Speaker 2: appeal to a lot of people who think, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're in an age of ban this band, that they'll
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Speaker 2: love it. But this is an idea that the Liberals
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Speaker 2: shouldn't touch and it will not now when it cannot
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Speaker 2: control where this is actually going to go. In fact,
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Speaker 2: just this morning the ABC showed exactly why it is
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Speaker 2: so dangerous to Christians. ABC host Sally Sarah was interviewing
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Speaker 2: Brag about Morrison's idea and already totally totally predictably, it
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Speaker 2: was all about the unfairness of picking on Muslims. Why
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Speaker 2: not make Christian preachers also get a license.
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Speaker 13: Should other faith leaders have some form of registration in
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Speaker 13: your view, we know that there's been enormous damage done
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Speaker 13: to the community previously under child sexual abuse controversies within
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Speaker 13: the Christian churches.
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Speaker 2: That's just silly because that's implying that Christianity somehow licensed
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Speaker 2: that sexual abuse, which is nuts. It clearly doesn't. Then
30:35
Speaker 2: there was this as if Christianity also says you should
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Speaker 2: kill unbelievers and should police.
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Speaker 13: We know that there have been other cases of violence
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Speaker 13: linked to religion. So thinking about cases like the shooting
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Speaker 13: at wim Biller also an Australian who carried out the
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Speaker 13: massacre at a mosque in christ Church, do you think
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Speaker 13: it should be the Muslim faith and Muslim preachers who
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Speaker 13: are targeted.
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Speaker 2: So very even read out one and only one listeners
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Speaker 2: text suggesting that Nazis were actually Christians, as if Christianity
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Speaker 2: also teaches people to be Nazis.
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Speaker 13: One says Hi Sally in relation to Andrew Bragg's comments
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Speaker 13: about the whole Muslim community taking responsibility for Bondai. If
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Speaker 13: we could take this logic further, doesn't mean the Christian
31:29
Speaker 13: community should take responsibility for Nazi hate speech.
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Speaker 2: What utter anti Christian nonsense. But we get to come
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Speaker 2: to expect that from the ABC. There is nothing at
31:42
Speaker 2: all in Christian teaching that suggests that you should do
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Speaker 2: any of the above things at all. And those Christian
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Speaker 2: preacher I know would suggest that either it's such ignorance
31:55
Speaker 2: about Christianity, but I guarantee that it's not your salisara.
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Speaker 2: That's going to be the ABC line, the labor line,
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Speaker 2: the Greens line, the work line. We cannot pick on
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Speaker 2: one religion, same rule for all of them. And we
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Speaker 2: know exactly where that will end, with so much content
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Speaker 2: now among the left for Christianity, and with the lefts
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Speaker 2: also in charge. Of course they'll be larcesses for Christian
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Speaker 2: preachers too, just to be fair, so Morrison's idea would
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Speaker 2: actually lead to controls on Christian preachers unless we stand
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Speaker 2: on the basis that Islam really is different, and really
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Speaker 2: it is, isn't it. I mean Islam, not Christianity preachers
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Speaker 2: in its most sacred text, Oh Muslim, there is a
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Speaker 2: Jew hiding Mahami, so kill him. That's when the end
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Speaker 2: of days there's another one. Kill the polytheists wherever you
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Speaker 2: find them, the unbelievers, And therefore, when you meet the
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Speaker 2: unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks. I mean, these
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Speaker 2: are passages and there's more too. These are passages you
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Speaker 2: used by al Qaeda and the Islamic State to justify
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Speaker 2: their terrorism, even if many other Muslims. Of course, so
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Speaker 2: they shouldn't be treated as commandments. Today they don't support them,
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Speaker 2: and yet it's in there, It's in the Qur'an now.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison is also whistling in the wind saying our
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Speaker 2: Islamic organizations should now take on the extremists in their community,
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Speaker 2: because some of us have been begging for that for
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Speaker 2: more than thirty years now and got almost nothing. For instance,
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Speaker 2: our top Islamic body, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils,
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight appointed and then defended our first Woofti,
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Speaker 2: shake Tajeldin Hillily, even after he backed the Hasbala terrorist
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Speaker 2: group called suicide Bombers Heroes and praised al coed to
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Speaker 2: September eleven attack on the US in two thousand and
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Speaker 2: one as God's work against the presses. And not much
33:50
Speaker 2: has changed. Have you heard Aphak condemn the Hamas Terra
33:55
Speaker 2: attack on Israel? That killed twelve hundred Jews. In fact,
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Speaker 2: this month it even insisted government not banned the extremist group.
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Speaker 2: His butttaria, we just preach hate like this, but.
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Speaker 1: I'll bought them any your hood, I feel coolly say it.
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Speaker 2: But even if groups like if It wanted to do
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Speaker 2: what Morrison wants, and today a fix said no, Morrison
34:18
Speaker 2: was out of line good day, because Islam is a
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Speaker 2: religion where anyone can and will set up as a teacher.
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Speaker 2: They don't have big churches like like the Catholics or whatever.
34:31
Speaker 2: And if you wonder why after thirty years a figure
34:34
Speaker 2: still not rejected anti Semitism clearly, explicitly and loudly, it's
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Speaker 2: because that would mean rejecting the teachings in the Qur'an.
34:43
Speaker 2: Joining me is Rondine's from Chief of the Spectator of Australia,
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Speaker 2: host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am and hosts
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Speaker 2: of his own show and Fridays at seven pm. Rowan
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison's idea. I suspect you might before it. I've
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Speaker 2: just given my best pitch against licenses for Muslim preachers.
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Speaker 2: Could it work.
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: First of all, Andrew, let me just say I thought
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Speaker 3: what you said was excellent and covered from many different
35:08
Speaker 3: angles in different areas. But the point here is I
35:12
Speaker 3: thought Scott Morrison's speech was terrific. I thought it was
35:15
Speaker 3: the second best speech he's made. The first the greatest
35:18
Speaker 3: speech Scott Morrison ever made is when he said.
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Speaker 1: This is coal.
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Speaker 3: He stood in Parliament, this is coal. Don't be afraid
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Speaker 3: of it. This is the second best speech. Meant it's
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Speaker 3: kind of the inversion of that. He's saying, this is
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Speaker 3: radical Islam. Be afraid of it, be very afraid of it.
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Speaker 1: And what he's done.
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Speaker 3: We can talk about the specifics of the licenses, et
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Speaker 3: cetera in a second, but what is actually done is
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Speaker 3: what very few people in the Liberal Party have been
35:44
Speaker 3: prepared to do and say that the root cause of
35:47
Speaker 3: BONDI was radical Islam. It wasn't guns, it wasn't hate speech,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't all these other things.
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Speaker 1: It was radical Islam.
35:54
Speaker 3: Therefore, the problem that needs solving in Australia is radical Islam. Now,
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Speaker 3: you are right, You were right when you said Andrew
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Speaker 3: that Islam or right. Rather, radical Islam is different now
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Speaker 3: in different countries all around the world, many Muslim countries,
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Speaker 3: many Arab countries, many other countries. They deal with radical
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Speaker 3: Islam in all sorts of different ways, but they deal
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Speaker 3: with it and they're not afraid to deal with it.
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Speaker 3: Even in Muslim countries they ban this organization, they ban
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Speaker 3: out of organization. The problem the West has is where
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Speaker 3: Kumbay are freethinkers, that everyone's a democrat, everyone loves each other.
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Speaker 3: For the realities, they don't, and we are confronted with
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Speaker 3: a ideology. And it's really really important to do what
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Speaker 3: For example, I believe the Danes do. They draw a
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Speaker 3: very clear distinction between the religion those Muslim Danes who
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Speaker 3: are religious Muslims, and the ideology, the political ideology of
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Speaker 3: radical Islam, and they draw that distinction. It's important to
36:53
Speaker 3: draw that distinction. Once you draw that distinction, then you
36:56
Speaker 3: have to go about tackling the problem. Now all Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 3: I mean the licensing thing. You're absolutely right the problems
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Speaker 3: you point out with it.
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Speaker 1: But at least it's.
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Speaker 3: Demanding that the Muslim community in Australia recognize and deal
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Speaker 3: with the radical Islam problem in Australia. Any number of
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Speaker 3: Muslim organizations, every time there's a march across the bridge
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Speaker 3: or this or that you'll see any number popping up
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Speaker 3: on TV shows representing this organization, representing that organization, terrific.
37:28
Speaker 3: But I haven't heard from a single one of those
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Speaker 3: organizations a single suggestion as to how to curtail the ideology,
37:37
Speaker 3: the political ideology of radical Islam in this country. Now,
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Speaker 3: if we don't hear it from the Muslim community organization
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Speaker 3: the listen, well, then it is up to government to
37:47
Speaker 3: do it. Somebody's got to do it, and something do
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Speaker 3: it with determination and with clear thinking in order that
37:57
Speaker 3: we do safeguard our own democratic freedom. But we do
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Speaker 3: not tolerate a political ideology that does not tolerate us.
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Speaker 2: Well, two things about that France has done that you know,
38:13
Speaker 2: you've got to you know, they've got to approve the
38:16
Speaker 2: the m ms, but that hasn't helped that much as
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Speaker 2: far as I can tell. And two the idea of
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Speaker 2: a government Western government bat im m. I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: they're going to cut much mustard among the youth, the
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Speaker 2: Muslim youth. But anyway, there it is, mate, you gave
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Speaker 2: a very solid pitch there. It maybe start doubting myself,
38:39
Speaker 2: but not enough. Rhande so much indeed for your time,
38:45
Speaker 2: good only mate after the break. Why wouldn't the new
38:48
Speaker 2: Southwest Premier today say why Liverpool Hospital force the Jewish
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Speaker 2: patient to be disguised as an Anglo one who were
38:56
Speaker 2: they scared would attack her? The mystery got deeper today,
39:05
Speaker 2: who did Liverpool hospital think was likely to attack one
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Speaker 2: of his Jewish patients? As I mentioned last night, a
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Speaker 2: Jewish woman, Rosalie Schickferg was injured in the Bondo massacre
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Speaker 2: and when she was taken a Liverpool hospital she was
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Speaker 2: told she had to go under an Anglo name, Karen Jones,
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Speaker 2: that was even printed on her medications, supposedly to start
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Speaker 2: the media bothering her. She doesn't believe that excuse. For
39:31
Speaker 2: a minute, she remembers how two nurses at nearby Bankstown
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Speaker 2: Hospital had allegedly threatened to kill Jewish patients.
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Speaker 14: I started to remember not long ago the two people
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Speaker 14: from Bankstown Hospital they openly treating to kill Jews when
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Speaker 14: they will come to a hospital. So I was so scared,
39:57
Speaker 14: my husband and my family never left. Most say, in
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Speaker 14: my opinion, there was afraid of stuff, not the medium.
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Speaker 2: Well today scone uses Julia Bradley trying to get to
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Speaker 2: the bottom of this, asking new Southwest Premier Chris Mins
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Speaker 2: why Rosalie is schick Urg had to be disguised as
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Speaker 2: Karen Jones to protect her from the media or was
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Speaker 2: it from the nurses, or from other patients or from
40:26
Speaker 2: visitors given Liverpool as many Muslim residents. Oddly enough, neither
40:31
Speaker 2: Men's nor the Health Minister would.
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Speaker 8: Say why did staff at Liverpool Hospital give Goondai victim
40:37
Speaker 8: Rosalia Sheikberg the Anglo name Karen Jones and remove her
40:42
Speaker 8: Jewish identification when she was admitted to the hospital after
40:46
Speaker 8: the attack. And with all due respect, we have heard
40:48
Speaker 8: from the Health Minister on this and I'd love to
40:50
Speaker 8: hear from you Premiere about that.
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Speaker 15: Look, I've been dealing with it.
40:55
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to be honest.
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Speaker 15: It's my responsibility and it's my accountability and the Secretary
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Speaker 15: and I have been dealing with this. This was an
41:03
Speaker 15: issue where with great intent from the staff, in a
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Speaker 15: very pretty hostile and pretty difficult environment, they were trying
41:11
Speaker 15: to make sure that that person was protected in any way,
41:15
Speaker 15: shape or form they could.
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Speaker 2: Clearly it was a mistake.
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Speaker 8: The patient should have been asked about the designation and
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Speaker 8: we'll learn from it in the future.
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Speaker 2: Joining me Gem and Toon Nini columnists and communications consultant
41:27
Speaker 2: whose camera's just conveniently conked out, and Caroline de Russo,
41:31
Speaker 2: commentator and President of the West Australian Liberals. Caroline still
41:37
Speaker 2: no answer why Liverpool hospital discuised rosalie U Schickberg as
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Speaker 2: Karen Jones, so, who do you think the hospital thought
41:46
Speaker 2: mighte attack her?
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Speaker 16: Well, I just firstly, the faffing that we got from
41:53
Speaker 16: the Premier and the Health Minister today tells us that
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Speaker 16: they probably don't really want to tell us what happened.
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Speaker 16: What I'd be interested to know, Andrew, is what about
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Speaker 16: all of the other victims. Some may have been in
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Speaker 16: the same hospital, some may have been in other hospitals.
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Speaker 16: Did this happen in other instances or was this an
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Speaker 16: in incidents that just occurred at this hospital? Because for me,
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Speaker 16: Andrew and I'm very happy to be wrong, but the
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Speaker 16: irresistible conclusion is that whoever the hospital administration were didn't
42:26
Speaker 16: feel like that patient was safe being identifiably Jewish, which
42:32
Speaker 16: is no doubt terrifying for her, but quite frankly, he's
42:34
Speaker 16: terrifying for the rest of the Australian public. I don't
42:39
Speaker 16: buy the excuse about the media that I'm sure that
42:42
Speaker 16: they can put measures in place to make sure that
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Speaker 16: in relation to certain patients there's extra levels of security
42:49
Speaker 16: for anyone who inquires about them. I mean, you think
42:52
Speaker 16: about the privacy rules that we have Andrew like, if
42:55
Speaker 16: my mum wants to do something for me, she can't
42:58
Speaker 16: even do something for me, and what somehow the media
43:01
Speaker 16: is going to be an issue in relation to you know,
43:05
Speaker 16: someone who's inpatient at a hospital. I find that very
43:09
Speaker 16: difficult to buy for me at this point and until
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Speaker 16: unprovided solution, she's not safe. And if the hospital administration
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Speaker 16: don't think a Jewish patient is safe in that, then
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Speaker 16: well who knows.
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Speaker 1: You think?
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Speaker 2: And say that again for that's what I said last time, But.
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Speaker 17: Yes, I mean, look, I was a working journalist for
43:38
Speaker 17: a decade and I specifically covered the health round when
43:41
Speaker 17: I worked for a commercial television network in Western Australia.
43:44
Speaker 17: The media excuse is a book is a pardon me,
43:47
Speaker 17: it's a BS. It's a BS excuse. That is an
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Speaker 17: absolute nonsense proposition. And anyone who's spent more than thirty
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Speaker 17: five seconds in a working newsroom of any medium will
43:57
Speaker 17: tell you that that is a BS excuse. So the
44:00
Speaker 17: questions that should be pursued are why was it done,
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Speaker 17: who was it done by, where is the documentation? And,
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Speaker 17: as Caroline rightly asked, were there any other patients in
44:10
Speaker 17: relation to BONDI who had their names changed were at
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Speaker 17: that hospital. It is an unacceptable explanation and it deserves
44:19
Speaker 17: to be prosecuted further. And I just feel like that
44:22
Speaker 17: answer was so far beneath a premier who has up
44:25
Speaker 17: until now been pretty sure footed on these issues.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird, but we're not told specifically it's
44:35
Speaker 2: not weird.
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Speaker 3: It's not weird.
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Speaker 17: It comes to the exact point that former Prime Minister
44:41
Speaker 17: Morrison raised in his speech tiptoeing around issues. You cannot
44:45
Speaker 17: deal with things unless you confront them and name them.
44:50
Speaker 2: Karen, talking about that speech of Scott Morrison, what do
44:54
Speaker 2: you think the idea of having governments oversea and potentially
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Speaker 2: themselves license preachers Muslim preachers will force Muslim institutions to
45:09
Speaker 2: do that.
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Speaker 16: Well, I think that the conversation that you had in
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Speaker 16: the previous segment, you know, hit the nail on the head.
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Speaker 16: The fact of the matter is is that the government
45:21
Speaker 16: is not going to just deal with one religion. They're
45:24
Speaker 16: going to deal with all of them, right, and that
45:27
Speaker 16: there just goes without saying. You know, we've already seen
45:31
Speaker 16: this week, and no doubt that you've reported on it,
45:34
Speaker 16: the Israeli influencer who wasn't allowed to come into Australia
45:38
Speaker 16: because of you know, certain things that he'd said. And
45:42
Speaker 16: I'm like, well, why are we dealing with this side issue. Yes,
45:45
Speaker 16: it's the same sort of idea and the same sort
45:48
Speaker 16: of legislation, but why aren't we dealing with the crux
45:50
Speaker 16: of the issue. Some Jewish influencer is not the actual
45:55
Speaker 16: practical problem that we're having at the moment. The fact
45:58
Speaker 16: of the matter is is you're going to end up
46:01
Speaker 16: with government legislation that is going to be across the
46:04
Speaker 16: board unsatisfactory. And all religions are different. You know, I'm
46:08
Speaker 16: of the Catholic faith. You know that's not going to
46:11
Speaker 16: surprise you at all.
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Speaker 1: But there's already so.
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Speaker 16: Much regulation an institution in the Catholic Church that keeps
46:20
Speaker 16: everyone on the straight and narrow, and look, I agree
46:23
Speaker 16: certain things have happened in the past. It's an absolute
46:26
Speaker 16: shame on the Catholic Church. But there is already a
46:30
Speaker 16: lot of regulation there that governs the way that Catholicism
46:35
Speaker 16: is practiced in this country. Not necessarily every other religion
46:38
Speaker 16: is the same.
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Speaker 2: Now, Caroline, in the brig you said, well, the big
46:44
Speaker 2: church is here. They do license priests already, or ministers whatever.
46:50
Speaker 2: But if I wanted to, I could set up my
46:53
Speaker 2: own Hillsong tomorrow. And the issue here is if the
46:59
Speaker 2: Muslim commune they don't have big church, big employers like that.
47:04
Speaker 2: They do it individually, and anyone can be a preacher.
47:07
Speaker 2: You can't impose that on them.
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Speaker 17: I think that was me, Andrew, but we often get
47:12
Speaker 17: mistaken for the same person.
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Speaker 11: So I'm quite okay.
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Speaker 3: With it, to be honest.
47:15
Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, fine, We're very much used to it.
47:20
Speaker 17: There's only one ethnic woman on TV this year apparently.
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Speaker 1: But look, it's true.
47:25
Speaker 17: And the point that I wanted to make was that
47:27
Speaker 17: Pentecostal churches Catholic, as Caroline said, Anglican, there is already
47:32
Speaker 17: a system whereby ministers are licensed.
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Speaker 11: By the denomination.
47:35
Speaker 17: And look, you could probably set up your own church, Andrew,
47:38
Speaker 17: good luck getting a lot of followers. The point is
47:41
Speaker 17: that the Christian denominations already have roycy. Yeah, exactly, You
47:46
Speaker 17: and me both. They already have processes in place whereby
47:49
Speaker 17: there is oversight, there is licensing, and there is regulation.
47:52
Speaker 17: Why wouldn't the Muslim community want to do that? Why
47:55
Speaker 17: wouldn't you.
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Speaker 2: It's not set up that way. The faith doesn't have that.
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Speaker 2: They don't have the big churches. You can't orthodoxy.
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Speaker 17: Sure if you, I mean like if you are, if you.
48:08
Speaker 2: If then there it's just individual pick yourself Bishop in
48:13
Speaker 2: the eye. I think he impointed himself. You know you
48:16
Speaker 2: just that's the thing. It's the freedom apply to any
48:20
Speaker 2: of it.
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Speaker 17: He was a marriage Christian from memory. But my point
48:23
Speaker 17: is it's about you don't just let anyone teach your
48:26
Speaker 17: kid at school, do you. There's oversight over teachers and
48:29
Speaker 17: I know a choice, it's the same, but I think.
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Speaker 11: It's probably more time.
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Speaker 6: To go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm afraid, Karen the Russo, thanks to you both.
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Speaker 2: Up next, Sharry Markson hosts The Bay James Vifferson, good night,