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Credlin | 11 November · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Pedo Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Great Taddy company. Here's what's coming up tonight
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  Speaker 2: on Kredline. Have working class voters left Labor or has
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  Speaker 2: the modern Labor Party left them? That's the concern for
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  Speaker 2: strategists as the party seemed to be captive to inner
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  Speaker 2: city elite.
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  Speaker 3: That of course was written.
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  Speaker 2: Large in the United States outcome, but it's a major
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  Speaker 2: shift we're seeing across all Western democracies. The Polster Cosamaris
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  Speaker 2: with more you analysis out today too. That underscores the
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  Speaker 2: government's focus on the affluent urban vote, as it's revealed
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  Speaker 2: wealthy labor and Greens held electorates will benefit the most
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  Speaker 2: from that.
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  Speaker 3: Recent decision on Hex's debt.
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  Speaker 2: Plus a death threats been sent to the Australian Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Association ahead of their appearance at the Senate hearing into
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  Speaker 2: Labour's disinformation legislation. Despite the threat, though David Adler still
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  Speaker 2: gave evidence he'll join me shortly as it's I field
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  Speaker 2: every Australia, not just teenagers will have to prove their
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  Speaker 2: age to use social media.
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  Speaker 3: Critics say this proves.
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  Speaker 2: The bill is a trojan horse for online id intrusion
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  Speaker 2: that admission coming out and more pain for Labour two
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  Speaker 2: is Today's Nubitz poll has the Prime Minister's approval giving
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  Speaker 2: to a new low, while the Coalition hits the Magic
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  Speaker 2: fort on primary, its highest level of support.
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  Speaker 3: Since the election. It has been a tough different incumbents.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of big elections around the world, and in most
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  Speaker 2: of those elections the incumbents have received a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a kicking. The views are in on the street as
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  Speaker 2: you see them in the papers, that this government is
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  Speaker 2: not doing a good job.
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  Speaker 4: The issues that do remain the same is inflation and
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  Speaker 4: the costs of living, and Australians have been asking themselves
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  Speaker 4: so they feel better off after.
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  Speaker 5: Two and a half years of Anthony Albanesi.
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  Speaker 2: But first, it'd be wrong on Remembrance Day not to
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  Speaker 2: begin tonight with a grateful acknowledgment of all who done
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  Speaker 2: in uniform, indeed all who've served in uniform, and to
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  Speaker 2: rededicate ourselves to making our country the best it possibly
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  Speaker 2: can be. One of the best things I've ever done
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  Speaker 2: in my life was to spend a week earlier this
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  Speaker 2: year walking the battlefields and cemeteries of the Western Front
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  Speaker 2: in France and Belgium, standing still and reading the headstones,
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  Speaker 2: looking at the terrain helped bring it all to life
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  Speaker 2: for me and to better comprehend the scale of the
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  Speaker 2: human tragedy rather than just to see it in historical terms.
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  Speaker 2: Lest we ever forget over one hundred years on now,
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  Speaker 2: as we've just watched the peaceful transition of power in
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  Speaker 2: one of the world's largest democracies, it's worth noting despite
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  Speaker 2: all the campaign rancor, the comparative readiness of the losing
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  Speaker 2: sight to accept the result, and the relative graciousness of
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  Speaker 2: the victor's words, it now was a time to heal.
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  Speaker 2: Because while politics is a contest, public life is a
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  Speaker 2: form of service. And that's why it's a real mistake
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  Speaker 2: to talk down politics as a career, because we need
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  Speaker 2: good people in politics, and talking it down will hurt
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  Speaker 2: us all in the end if we diminish the quality
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  Speaker 2: of people who actually put their hand up for parliament.
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  Speaker 2: Mind you, some like Lydia Thorpe don't help the cause
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 3: Do they.
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  Speaker 2: But just back to the United States, an inevitable feature
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  Speaker 2: of the time between now and Donald Trump's inauguration on
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  Speaker 2: the twentieth of January will be speculation about what Trump's
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  Speaker 2: second coming will mean for Australia and the wider world. Now,
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  Speaker 2: make no mistake, it was a seismic result. Trump won
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  Speaker 2: a substantial majority of Electoral College votes three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twelve votes now to the Democrats at two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, including as confirmed yesterday when Arizona was called
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  Speaker 2: in his favor, all the key battleground states fell to Trump.
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  Speaker 2: He also won the popular vote, and it looks likely
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  Speaker 2: the Republicans have won both the House and the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: Ever since the.
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  Speaker 2: Polls closed on Tuesday, the political class have been both
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  Speaker 2: over and underestimating the result. Nothing much to see here,
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  Speaker 2: says the senior members of the Albanesi government. Because the
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  Speaker 2: US isn't Australia, they say, well, no, it's not. But
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  Speaker 2: if the prime ministry is senior ministers think that it's
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  Speaker 2: basically business as usual, that there's nothing they can learn
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  Speaker 2: from the US result, or that there's no real policy
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  Speaker 2: impacts here at home, then they're in for a rude shock.
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  Speaker 2: For one thing, the idea that Trump's going to play
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  Speaker 2: along with the Albanezi government's emissions obsession is absurd. For Trump,
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  Speaker 2: Climate's a third order issue. If that compared to strengthening
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  Speaker 2: America's economic, energy and national securit. For another, Trump will
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  Speaker 2: be acutely conscious of how little we're actually doing as
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  Speaker 2: opposed to talking about on defense and national security. Here
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  Speaker 2: in Australia, things like canceling a seven billion dollar deal
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  Speaker 2: with a US space business to give our military secure
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  Speaker 2: satellite comms makes us seem like the free writers we
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  Speaker 2: largely are. So Trump's win should be a big wake
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  Speaker 2: up call for the Albanezy government. But it's also wrong
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  Speaker 2: to think that the globes politics has suddenly swung from
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  Speaker 2: the soft left to the hard right. Yes, Trump is
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  Speaker 2: a phenomenon and has shown consistent contempt for political correctness
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  Speaker 2: and wokery in all its forms, but the iron law
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  Speaker 2: that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them has not changed,
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  Speaker 2: and the main factor in Trump's win was that people
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  Speaker 2: agreed with him than that they reject did the border chaos,
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  Speaker 2: the economic mismanagement, and the general weakness of the Biden
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  Speaker 2: Harris administration last week in the United States. In the
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  Speaker 2: United States, it was a vote against Biden Harris at
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  Speaker 2: least as much as it was a vote for Trump.
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  Speaker 2: So all those now offering Peter Dutton free advice to
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  Speaker 2: copy Donald Trump cool year jets. Dutton is doing pretty
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  Speaker 2: well just by being himself. The latest News poll today
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  Speaker 2: showing the Coalition still ahead fifty one forty nine, but
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  Speaker 2: more significantly, the Coalition's primary votes now up to day
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  Speaker 2: to forty percent. That's the first time this term, and
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  Speaker 2: Dutton's now close to closing in on the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: as preferred PM. Latter tonight I'll be talking to the
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  Speaker 2: poster Cos Samarus, who posted over the weekend that the
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  Speaker 2: Trump win was it all good news for the Coalition.
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  Speaker 2: It says that it's quote still viewed as part of
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  Speaker 2: the elite in Australia. Well, respectfully, I'm not so sure
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  Speaker 2: Dutton's seen as elite, perhaps as Malcolm Turnble might have been.
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  Speaker 2: But Samarus's point is well made because if more people
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  Speaker 2: knew Dutton's backstory as a Queensland police officer later detective,
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  Speaker 2: a family man who ran a small business, they'd know
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  Speaker 2: he's anything but eliteon out of touch, and that in
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  Speaker 2: itself is a big challenge for Dutton to remind people
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  Speaker 2: every time he speaks of his quite ordinary background and
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  Speaker 2: life experience, because it's a mistake to think that he's
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  Speaker 2: well known to all of us in the political world,
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  Speaker 2: and that means he's well known to all voters.
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  Speaker 3: He's not.
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  Speaker 2: In my experience, most of the leaders don't like talking
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  Speaker 2: about themselves. John Howard didn't, neither did Brendan Nelson. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: nor did Tony Abbott. My old boss used to say, Look,
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  Speaker 2: I've been in Parliament for twenty years. Everyone knows what
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  Speaker 2: I'm on about.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I said to him that i'd all know, and making
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  Speaker 2: that connection with ordinary people, as he eventually did, was
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  Speaker 2: part of the reason he was elect in that landslide.
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  Speaker 2: Labor leaders, though, on the other side, they don't appear
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  Speaker 2: to have any hesitation. Hi, I'm Kevin from Queensland. I'm
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  Speaker 2: here to help you, said Anthony Elbenezy too, couldn't open
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  Speaker 2: his mouth without referencing his public housing background, his single
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  Speaker 2: mum on a pension.
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  Speaker 3: I can guarantee you.
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  Speaker 2: While Labor might tell the media they're not worried about
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  Speaker 2: the US win for Trump, privately they'll be pouring over
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  Speaker 2: the details and you can bet right now they'll have
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  Speaker 2: people talking to the Democrats about where it all went
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  Speaker 2: so wrong. In the hope they can avoid the same
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  Speaker 2: catastrophe here. The real worry Labour strategists will have at
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  Speaker 2: present is the reality that their leader is the drag
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  Speaker 2: on Labour's vote. This is the prime minister that was
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  Speaker 2: relatively popular when the most people knew about him was
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  Speaker 2: that he did a tough growing out.
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  Speaker 3: They could relate to him.
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  Speaker 2: It's all very different now that the main thing they
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  Speaker 2: know about him is that they're let down by him,
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  Speaker 2: that is weak, and that he's out of his depth
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  Speaker 2: and out of touch as PM.
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  Speaker 3: And before people.
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  Speaker 2: Conclude that Trump constitutes a permanent change to politics, remember
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  Speaker 2: that's how Anthony Albanezi will be judged on his performance
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  Speaker 2: in the job, not on Scott Morrison's performance as it
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  Speaker 2: was last time. So for us on the right, Trump's
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  Speaker 2: win is a morale booster, but no substitute for the
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  Speaker 2: hard work still needed by the opposition to be competitive
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  Speaker 2: on what will be a must win election, not just
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  Speaker 2: for the Party, not just for Liberals, but for our country.
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  Speaker 2: Right off to camera now for the headlines, Sky and
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  Speaker 2: his political reporter Camrareddit good.
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  Speaker 7: Evening a brave Australian who ran towards enemy fire to
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  Speaker 7: save his mates in Vietnam. Has been recognized with the
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  Speaker 7: nation's highest military honor. Private Richard Norden was only nineteen
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  Speaker 7: when he and the first Battalion Royal Australian Regiment were
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  Speaker 7: ambushed during the Vietnam War. His acts of valor in
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  Speaker 7: the moments that followed have now been cemented in the
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  Speaker 7: Anzac story.
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  Speaker 8: The Victoria Cross for Australia is Australia's highest military honor.
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  Speaker 8: The awarding of it speaks to Private Nordon's courage and selflessness.
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  Speaker 7: In what became known as the Battle of Fire Support
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  Speaker 7: based Coral, Private Nordon rushed towards enemy fire to rescue
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  Speaker 7: his injured commander.
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  Speaker 1: He then half carried, half dragged the severely wounded Section
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  Speaker 1: commander back to the section.
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  Speaker 7: The job not yet done, Private Nordon put himself in
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  Speaker 7: the line of fire again, killing an enemy soldier who'd
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  Speaker 7: been using the regiment's scout as a human shield. The
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  Speaker 7: scout couldn't be saved, but the rifleman from Gunderguy pushed
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  Speaker 7: forward a third time, clearing the way so his fallen
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  Speaker 7: calm Raid's body could be recovered.
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  Speaker 1: Today, all Australians salute the memory of Private Richard Nordon VC.
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  Speaker 7: Lest we forget a tradee has died at a wind
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  Speaker 7: farm construction site in Victoria after a turbine blade fell
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  Speaker 7: on top of him. First responders attempted to revive the
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  Speaker 7: thirty six year old, but he died at the scene.
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  Speaker 7: Victoria Police and Work Safe are now investigating. Cameron Reddin's
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  Speaker 7: Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: We'll joined Dennis Shanahan from Canberra into that newspot in
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  Speaker 2: a moment, but I want to go now to another
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  Speaker 2: shocking case of anti Semitism at a worrying sign for
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  Speaker 2: our democracy, with the Australian Jewish Association receiving death threats
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  Speaker 2: warning him not to appear at a Senate hearing this
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  Speaker 2: morning to review Labour's misinformation legislation. This image I'll show
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  Speaker 2: you now of a noose was sent fire Facebook with
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  Speaker 2: the message if you dare show up at the Senate
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  Speaker 2: Committee hearing, you will all be delta Indie echo. Not
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  Speaker 2: much of a stretch to work out what they mean there.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in our President of Australian Jewish Association, David Adler, Well, David,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is horrific. I think it's shocking, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm also proud to say you turn up at that
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  Speaker 2: hearing today, you spoke your mind on the misinformation legislation,
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  Speaker 2: the threats to free speech. We'll get into that substantive
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  Speaker 2: detail in a moment. But as far as shocking things
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  Speaker 2: go on, and there's been plenty of them in the
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  Speaker 2: last twelve months, what was your reaction to that message, Peter.
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  Speaker 9: It's not an isolated example. We have received many threats,
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  Speaker 9: as have many people in the Jewish community, businesses, facilities, etc.
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  Speaker 9: We have a crisis of anti Semitism in this country
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  Speaker 9: and unfortunately our government and law enforcement authorities are not
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  Speaker 9: yet dealing with it.
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  Speaker 10: Plea.
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  Speaker 9: This morning I got a phone call from the Secretariat
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  Speaker 9: of the Senate Committee and they asked me whether we wanted,
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  Speaker 9: in view of the threat, to give our evidence in camera,
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  Speaker 9: in other words, out of the public view.
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  Speaker 10: But I said to them.
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  Speaker 9: No, we would like to proceed as normal, and that's
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  Speaker 9: exactly what we did, all right.
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  Speaker 2: I presume now this goes to Senate authorities, perhaps to
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  Speaker 2: the police.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. The Senate Committee have referred the matter to the
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  Speaker 9: Australian Federal Police and hopefully the AFP will be able
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  Speaker 9: to trace the perpetrator and deal with it. There are
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  Speaker 9: special rules concerning witnesses appearing before parliamentary committees. As I'm
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  Speaker 9: sure you know, you're not allowed to threaten them, You're
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  Speaker 9: not allowed to intimidate them, are not allowed to bribe them.
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  Speaker 9: In other words, witnesses should be able to speak their
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  Speaker 9: mind without outside influence. And I'm not sure what the
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  Speaker 9: penalties are for breaching these rules, but clearly sending a
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  Speaker 9: potential witness a death threat saying that they shouldn't turn up,
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  Speaker 9: saying that they will die in the event that they
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  Speaker 9: do turn up. And there's another interesting aspect of this
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  Speaker 9: particular example, Peter. The committee obviously was dealing with a
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  Speaker 9: subject that is not about the Middle East conflict. It's
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  Speaker 9: not about what Israel is involved in. It's not about
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  Speaker 9: what the protests on our streets are all about. So
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  Speaker 9: we have an example here of a person or a
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  Speaker 9: group saying that this Jewish organization should not participate in
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  Speaker 9: the democratic process of Australia. So in that respect, it's
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  Speaker 9: actually an elevation in the subject that the threat is
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  Speaker 9: trying to get us to stop without success.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, particularly of course, David, that legislation is all
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  Speaker 2: about free speech at its heart, and silencing Australians from
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  Speaker 2: free speech online. I want to get a comment from
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  Speaker 2: you though, on the shocking vision we saw out of
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  Speaker 2: Amsterdam on Friday. The Israeli soccer supporters attacked in what
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  Speaker 2: the city's mayor has described as an as anti Semitic
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  Speaker 2: hit and run.
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  Speaker 3: Squads. Fans were attacked, right police were forced to intervene.
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  Speaker 2: I'm told though that on the streets there were no arrests.
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  Speaker 2: There were some arrests inside the stadium, but not on
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  Speaker 2: the streets. That's the latest information I have. And we
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  Speaker 2: saw that the terrible situation of the Australia government. Israeli
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  Speaker 2: government forced to send aircraft to Europe to evacuate its citizens.
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  Speaker 2: The Dutch king was forced into the media over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: He said, we failed the Jewish community during World War
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  Speaker 2: Two and last night we failed again. The Dutch MP
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  Speaker 2: gerd Velders he wants the immediate deportation of anyone involved
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  Speaker 2: in these attacks.
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  Speaker 3: I think Jews.
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  Speaker 2: Around the world, particularly because this occurred in Europe, David
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  Speaker 2: must be reacting with great pain, in trepidation to what
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  Speaker 2: they're seeing out of Europe.
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  Speaker 9: One hundred percent. And last weekend was the anniversary of
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  Speaker 9: kristol Nacht, which infamously was an attack on Jews and
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  Speaker 9: Jewish businesses in the streets of Europe that was the
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  Speaker 9: ninth tenth of November. So it does have echoes of
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  Speaker 9: the Holocaust, without a doubt, and this is pre planned.
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  Speaker 9: There is now been leaked some evidence from social media,
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  Speaker 9: text messaging, as well as a video that get wildas
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  Speaker 9: released showing a perpetrator driving towards the attacks saying that
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  Speaker 9: we're on a Jew hunt today. Some people are trying
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  Speaker 9: to deflect this and blame some isolated poor behavior amongst
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  Speaker 9: the Israeli football fans, but without a doubt, this is
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  Speaker 9: a pogram. This is what globalized. The intervada is a
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  Speaker 9: bit about. It's about a pre planned, organized attack in
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  Speaker 9: the streets on people who were just going about their business.
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  Speaker 10: By and large, dreadful.
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  Speaker 3: And David Ill needed there.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw a very very powerful comment posted on
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  Speaker 2: social media to say, if you want to know the
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  Speaker 2: argument for Israel in this instance of Jews being hounded
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  Speaker 2: in Europe, we had an Israeli government with Israeli planes
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  Speaker 2: be able to collect people and return them to a
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  Speaker 2: safe country. We didn't have that in the Second World War,
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  Speaker 2: as we obviously know, I'll leave it there, David. Good
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  Speaker 2: on you for fronting up today. Great work, David. Well,
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  Speaker 2: let's go those news poll findings more die figures. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: for the alban Easy Labor government on primary vote terms,
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  Speaker 2: the Coalitions up two points to forty Labour sits seven
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  Speaker 2: points behind.
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  Speaker 3: On thirty three.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at the trend, the coalitions remained above Labor,
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  Speaker 2: with that gap widening since June and two party preferred
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  Speaker 2: terms it's steady fifty one to forty nine for the
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  Speaker 2: second month. But yet again look at the trend, it's
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  Speaker 2: a starting reversal of Labour's popularity since the start of
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  Speaker 2: the year. Finally, looking in the satisfaction ratings for each leader,
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton sits at negative eleven, is now best in
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  Speaker 2: the prime minister for the first time Prime Minister's here
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  Speaker 2: on negative fifteen PM's or significant grounds in Spain, putting
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton in his best position. Yet even more startling
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  Speaker 2: for Labor is that the leader has had diminishing.
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  Speaker 3: Support since the election.
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  Speaker 2: Look at those numbers there for one top corner of
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  Speaker 2: the graph, plotted right down to seller dweller territory from
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  Speaker 2: more let's bring in the national edits for The Australian
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  Speaker 2: Dennis Shanahan. Well, there's a lot there to get through
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  Speaker 2: Denna's but I can't see much there that's good for
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  Speaker 2: the government, can you no?
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  Speaker 4: Look, the News poll is unarguably bad for labor. It
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  Speaker 4: is bad in the individual figures, but it's worse in
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  Speaker 4: the trends. And it's not just Newspop. We've seen other
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  Speaker 4: polls Freshwater initially showing an advantage to the Coalition in
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  Speaker 4: two party preferred. What we're now seeing is an in
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  Speaker 4: increase for the Coalition in primary beyond forty percent or
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  Speaker 4: at forty percent. Now that it is always said a
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  Speaker 4: coalition cannot win without a primary vote with a four
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  Speaker 4: in front of it, what's less said is that it
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  Speaker 4: really can't win without a three after the four. So
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  Speaker 4: Peter Dutton and the Coalition are on the right track.
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  Speaker 4: They are psychologically moving towards an area which we wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have contemplated two and a half years ago. That the
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  Speaker 4: fact that Anthony Albanesi is looking seriously at losing majority
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  Speaker 4: and perhaps even turning to a Dutton majority coalition government.
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  Speaker 4: These are unheard of thoughts two years ago. It is
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  Speaker 4: now possible not saying it's going to happen. Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 4: still has a huge area to make up. But the
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  Speaker 4: other significant figures here are that Peter Dutton is now closing. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: he's less negative than Anthony Albernasi, but that is crucial
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: for a leader of the opposition. If a leader of
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the opposition ever moves in front of a prime minister
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: in newspoll as far as preferred prime minister, well it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: all over red Rover. But the second best for a
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: leader of the opposition is to improve in that satisfaction rating.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: And there have been big falls for prime ministers previously
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: in newspoll on satisfaction which have presaged full of the
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: leader and a loss of the government. So I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: this newspoll today is very important. It doesn't mean Labor
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: is going to lose, It doesn't even mean Labor is
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: going to go into minority, but it changes the equation.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Right about now, this close to an election that's set
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: for May, you've got this debate that goes inside the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: incumbent party, particularly when you're getting results like that. More effort,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: more giveaways, a more political attack on your opponent will
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: turn this around.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: We just need more time.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And then there's an opposing argument that says, read the trend,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: you know, don't mistake the trend.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: We're on a deteriorating, wicked here.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: We need to go sooner rather than later before we
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: cannot claw any of this back. Too much momentum is
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: going to the other side. It's one of the reasons
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to go to a March election,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: perhaps call it in February and January.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: How do you read this, Dennis.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I think that Anthony Alberaneesi still wants to
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: go as long.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: As you can.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: The reality is is it going to get much worse
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: for Labor. Let's face it, they have been at the
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: primary vote. They have been since the last election, a
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: bit below, a bit the same. Within the margin of era,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: they've basically been the same. The Prime Minister's standing is falling, yes,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: and Peter Dutton's is getting better. But the Prime Minister
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: now has what he sees as an electoral plan to
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: have a big rally like he had the Sunday before
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: last in Adelaide, announce a big thing that'll be done
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: in December. He'll do another one in January. And I
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: don't think he's going to call an election on Australia
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Day weekend for an early March. I think there's too
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: much of a problem. Roger Cook, the West Australian Premier,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: is already looking at this too much of a problem
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: to have a March eighth election on the same day,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that is, a federal election on the same day as
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: the West Australian election. Yes, it's possible, but it's me.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I still think the Prime Minister will go with a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: March budget and a May election because simply it can't
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: get worse, and after all, if it is getting worse,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albernezi wants to remain as Prime Minister as long
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: as he can and who knows what's around the corner.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: So I think we will not see an election till May,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: and I think that the Prime Minister is going to
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: hang in there. Of course, there could be some humongous
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: thing happen, but a Donald Trump victory in America, it's
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: not one of those things that is going to drive
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanesi to an early election. Despite all the misguided
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: labor approach to try and pick up on the failed
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris program, whether it's abortion or whatever, I think
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: that we will still see a May election next year.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: What about the labor pundits out there, the analysts, including
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: some MPs. I'll put the Treasurer in this camp saying, sort,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: there's no lessons for us really out of the United States,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: very different market. Nothing to see here. We've got our path,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: will stick to it. What do you make of that?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, look, I think the prime the Treasurer has done
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: the right thing. He's gone out, he's talked to the markets.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Hasn't done himself any damage either as saying, hey, I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: the treasure but I'm prepared to talk about foreign policy.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Who knows what will happen.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: So what he is doing is trying to reassure the markets.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Is saying, yes, look there could be price pressures and
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: so forth. And just because the markets have improved doesn't
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: mean that's good news, because people who support the gold
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: market love bad news. So you know, it's all a
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: matter of how we see it. And I think that yes,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: labor is saying, oh, look there's nothing to see here.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: You know, just because Trump's elector doesn't mean that the
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: alban Asa government will go down, despite the fact that
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: it has a very democratic infused policy across all those issues.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: But I think that what we have to look at.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: You have to be very wary here in a general
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: sense to say, oh, this is narrative. Now incumbents they're losing. Oh, yes,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: incumbents are losing, but hold on. In the United Kingdom,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: incumbent lost, but it was to a progressive woke opposition.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: In the United States, incumbent progressive woke Democrats lost to
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: a conservative Where is the trend? Of course, incumbents lose.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Only incumbents can lose, So looking at losing incumbents is
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: not a trend. It's a sort of just self explained fact.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: So what we have to do, I think is not
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: take too much from the US or the UK elections.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: But what we do have to do, and I think
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: this is what Peter Dutton is doing successfully, is saying
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: that what we have to look at is what matters
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to people around the world and its cost of living,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: its economy, and in the US and Australia it's immigration also,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: by the way, in the UK, so there are some
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: very common issues. How they're approached will determine how the
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: election runs out. But I think that we have to
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: be careful not to just say, oh, Donald Trump's back.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: That's it. You know, Peter Dutton get elected. That's not
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: the case.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go closer to home in your policy area.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Because there was a starting admission that I don't think
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: many have picked up. This is a relation to Labour's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: planned bound on social media for those under the age
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: of sixteen. Once you get into the detail, it looks
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: like everyone you and I included, not just teenagers, will
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: be forced to go through a my GUV age verification process.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So a process requiring identification, have a listen, testing to.
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: See if someone's thirteen or fourteen, or fifteen or sixteen.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: You're also testing to see, by definition, if they're sixteen plus.
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: So if there's going to be age verification, everybody is
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: going to have to go through an age verification process,
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: won't they. Yes, yes, So this isn't just about the
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: privacy or collecting data about kids. This is literally everybody
• 28:46
  Speaker 11: access in social media. That's how it has to work,
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: isn't it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, So having to show ID to cross some verification
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: hurdle for every Australian. I'll tell you what Dennis thought,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the Australia Card was an assault on privacy.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Yes, Pta, I remember the debate about the Australia card.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: And this is very bad news for me because I
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: haven't been able to log into my ID bloody thing
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: for ages. I keep forgetting to pass forward. But this
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: is the problem, This is the devil in the detail
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: we have seen today at the same Senate estimates where
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: constitulent expert and Toomey has said, this is a real
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: problem because you're leaving the tech giants in charge of
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: looking at political debate. Now, this is a constitutional issue.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: She's a constitutional issue lawyer, and she is saying what
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: you're looking at is having somebody then making a decision
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: which can be challenged constitutionally.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: The idea that everyone then.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Has to log in and have their age and we'll
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: see how that would work out is a real problem.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: But what we're seeing here is it's well meaning people
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: who are trying to fix things. The Coalition is supporting this,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: the premiers are supporting the age limit. We have to
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: try and work how it can be done. Of course,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: one simple thing would be to say, well, let's stop
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: giving phones to children under sixteen, but that's too common sense.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: What we're going to have is all of these technical
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: problems facing us and fighting the international tech giants on
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: our own legislation. As Anthony Albine as he says, this
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: is world beating legislation.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: There's a reason for that. It's very hard to put in.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I think privacy is really going to come to the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: fore now, Dennis a Q. Great to have your company,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: all right after the break the labor line. Polster, who
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: is sounding the alarm for his side of politics in
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the wake of the Trump landslide win plus no surprise.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: But it's the affluent and the wealthy.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: He'll all benefit most from Labour's hex debt scheme, in
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: another sign they no longer represent the working class.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Some big news around I relation to electric vehicles. I'll
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: bet that a little later on, but first, as it
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: does settles from the US election, there are some clear
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: lessons emerging for Australia as politicians, many on the left
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: seam intend to bury their heads in the sand and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: not acknowledge the clear realignment that has occurred with working
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: class voters, once rusted onto labor, now moving further to
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the right. However, there are some who are already sounding
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the alarm, arguing that the US experience is not isolated,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and that it's been happening here for some time. One
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: such person, lead Impolster director of the Red Bridget Group,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Cos Samaras, who hit the nail over the Weekend Right.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: The parties that once fought for the working class are now,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: in many cases, he said, more focused on social issues
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: that resonate with the new, more urban professional support base.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Please to say Cos Samaras, that poster joins me now
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: because thank you for your time. I love your analysis.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Because you're deep inside the Labor Party, the labor movement
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: for most of your life. You understand them as I
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: argue I would understand my side of politics. Give us
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a sense of the lessons out of the US election
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: for the left, because because Trump just didn't squeak over
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the line here, it's a landslide. When he got every
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: single one of those swings states, he got the popular vote,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: he looks like he's got both chambers, you know, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: he got sort of around three hundred and twelve electoral
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: college numbers.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Give us your assessment.
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: It's his electric coalitions the most diverse I think since
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: Reagan is ninet eighty four, and that's surpassing Reagan's equentour.
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: Hispanics have moved to the.
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: Republic Party now in significant numbers. I remember back in
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: twenty sixteen when we were having conversations with the Democrats
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: as a result of their loss to Trump, that they
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: needed to focus on class politics, and their response at
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: the time was that they were confident that the demographics
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: will fix their problem.
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: They were resting.
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: Their hopes on the Hispanics basically coming to the rescue.
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: It was obviously a very significant cohort of voters, and
• 33:30
  Speaker 12: a growing one at that, But it looks like on
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: the week last week they moved in very big numbers
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: over to Trump and have been for some time, which
• 33:37
  Speaker 12: is a broader story of what we're seeing here in
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: this country with regards to low income owners.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: What about women in the black vote, particularly black men
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: up twenty five even black women up against a black women.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: But almost every demographic.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I made the point I think on the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: night of the election, the biggest decider wasn't all the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: tribes we divide.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Ourselves into these days.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It was those that have and those that have not,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and that crosses across everything.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Is that a fair assessment?
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: Absolutely?
• 34:12
  Speaker 12: Look, what Trump has done is not necessarily provide these
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: working people with I hope that he's going to fix
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: all their problems.
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: That's not what this is about. What this is.
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: About is basically low income Americans feeling like they have
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: become invisible, that the political discussion in that country has
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: always been about everything but them, And once upon a time,
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: the Democrats would have these individuals at.
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: The forefront of every conversation they were having.
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: And you could say the same thing applies here in
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: Australia with the Labor Party, where once upon a time
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: there's low income earners, are people that stack our shelves,
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: deliver our food, make sure the country just operates, were
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: once upon time rejoiced and by by a political party
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: that wanted their support.
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: They're becoming visible.
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: So what Trump has done has made them visible, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: that's why they are supporting him. They know he's not
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: going to deliver miracles for them.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: All Right, we'll get into the coalition in remindment, But
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: what are the lessons out of this for Labor?
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, Labour's had has been having a looming and
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: growing problem with the same groups of voters that we've
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: been just talking about. But here in Australia, if you
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: look at northern Tasmania, the labor primary vote has been
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: declining rapidly for now over a decade. The Labor primary
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: in that state, in the northern part of Tazzy in particular.
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: Is in the twenties.
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: In some places they've lost Brandon Bass at a state election,
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: they're down to into the high twenties.
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: The cross bench is.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Larger lions two lions.
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: Stuff correct, absolutely, and that will expect we're for at
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: the next election, almost putting money on that one. Then
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: you go to Queensland state election. Normally, when Labor loses
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: in a normal election, not the sort of twenty twelve landslide,
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: it loses seats in parts of Brisbane like Mansfield, middle urban,
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: middle class, top of electrics that used to be considered
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: as Bellweather electorates. Well, Mansfield stayed on the Labour side
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: because it's now full of young professionals, high income constituencies.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: Where did he get in trouble Its foundational seats rock
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: Hampton Mackay, these seats that held for over one hundred years.
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: Labor Party was born in Queensland.
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: It was the first Labor party in the world and
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: these two seats were its foundational seats, or one of
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: them or a group of them anyway, so.
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: They lost those seats. Where else did they have swings
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: against them?
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: Ipswich Logan out of suburban dirt Paul parts of Brisbane.
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: And again we go back to twenty twenty two. Where
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: did labor get into trouble as it was coming into government? Well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: Melbourne's out of western suburbs, the federal seat of Fowler.
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: Again it's low income, diverse communities struggling with the day
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: to day cost of living pressures even back then. So
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: it's been here for some time.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you made the point. I think this is very,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: very shrewd. In a post, I read that just because
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Trump has picked up these diverse communities, that the working
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: class vote in the United States is not a direct
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: translation to Australia. For the Coalition, they are still seen
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: somewhat elite, somewhat top end of town.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: That's accurate? Is that? And why is that?
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: Absolutely they're part of the problem.
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: So they're not The Coalition has not successfully repainted itself
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: as a as a Trump solution.
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: Trump is a disruptor.
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: He is different to the establishment Republican Party in Australia.
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: There isn't that third element. So when we interview and
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: talk to many of these.
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: Tops of voters, not just been talking about you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: former labor voters or people that have a history of
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: voting labor, who are working class in the outer suburbs
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: and regions of this country. Yes, they want to vote
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: against labor, but the actually they don't have another option.
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: The departure lounge at the moment now alban is as
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: risky as they just come to the election down and
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: go Bargaret, I'm going to vote for the Coalition for
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: the first time in my life, and that's a possibility.
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: We're seeing some bits of evidence around that.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: But look, we saw that with Howard, we saw that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: with Abbott too.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's not there yet.
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: No, no, absolutely not.
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: And you know it does ball down to obviously the
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: economic narrative that the Coalition is going to take the
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: next election. They need to stop using languages like we're
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: going to tackle inflation by fixing productivity. A productivity of
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: these working people that we've been talking about is a
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: dirty word because they know what that means, I mean,
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: just lower wages, worse conditions, working to you to the
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: bone for less pay.
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: I mean that's basically what productivity means.
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: So they've got a way to go before they actually
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: capture the hearts and minds of these people.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: You're not wrong, and I think that the direct language
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: of Trump. You know, I'm not going to text your overtime.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to text you to all very tangible,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: digestible policies.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: That's what he was selling. In terms of the economy.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: He wasn't selling the stuff that an economist might read
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: in a policy document. It was absolute real politics is
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: what made the difference. Because thanks for you analysis. Always
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: great to.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Have you on the show. All right after break.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump might not be in the White House yet,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: but already it's been on the blow. It hasn't even
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Vladimir putin a couple of times. The Israeli PM backwards
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and forwards will get you the latest. Plus, the public
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is saying no to electric vehicles. So does this mean
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that Chris Bowen is going to now try and force
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: stradions to drive them anyway? And we'll talk to the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: NATS too. There's a rethink on net zero. We're told,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: how real is that?
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the calm, growing concerns.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: More about the CFMU linked to organized crime and a
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: new pro being expanded. But first, yet again, it would
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: appear that cees Fire talks have broken down, with Katar
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: pausing its efforts to mediate a deal in the Gaza Strip,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: citing a failure by Israel and Hamas to make progress. Now,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: perhaps what's most interesting here is the fact that Qatar
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: has expelled Hummas's senior political leadership from their country, or
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: at least it says they have. The US are claiming
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: they ask Qatar to push the Hummas officials out. However,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: there've also been several reports disputing this, saying that Qatar
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: acted on its own accord. One thing's clear, though, it
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: means more instability in the region, and that will be
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: more acute ahead of a change of leadership in the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: United States. Joining me now, Michael Schubridge's director at Strategic
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Analysis Australia. Well, let's start with a breakdown of these talks,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the expulsion that we're told by Qatar of these Hummas operatives.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Where does this leave us now.
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: Well, Peter, I think it shows us that the Arab
• 40:55
  Speaker 13: world is losing patients with Hamas and the Palestinians. Neither
• 41:01
  Speaker 13: Harmas nor Israel are interested in a ceasefire right now,
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: harmaskus they want to climb out of the rubble and
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: Gaza and say they won. And net Yahoo because he
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: thinks he can weaken a mass and has Boler more
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: and Iran more before Trump takes office.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Right, what does the change of government mean for the
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Israeli PM? Because there are reports that basically he and
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the president and elect have been on the blower and
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: that they see.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Eye to eye on the situation. Is that iye to
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: iye on Iran? What's this mean?
• 41:37
  Speaker 13: Well, I think they do see I to eye on Iran.
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: Iran's military power has to be damaged and they mustn't
• 41:44
  Speaker 13: get nuclear weapons. But I think really Netanyahu wants this
• 41:49
  Speaker 13: war to end on his terms, and he thinks that
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: Trump might agree with those terms. So the big thing
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: for the two of them is re energizing the broader
• 42:00
  Speaker 13: Abraham Accords between Israel and Arab states, particularly Saudi Arabia,
• 42:07
  Speaker 13: and that was a.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Real legacy of the Trump administration at the time. How
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: do you read the media reporting that there's been now
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: multiple conversations too between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump since
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: last week's result. I mean if the US does wind
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: out of Ukraine, Michael, are the European nations got to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: step up and fill the void?
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: Well, It's very interesting, isn't it that Donald Trump's had
• 42:34
  Speaker 13: multiple conversations with Putin but only one short conversation with
• 42:39
  Speaker 13: Ukraine's leader Zelenski. The Europeans cannot fill the American gap
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: on supporting Ukraine with military supplies. That's why Biden is
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: rushing things that he should have given to Ukraine much
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: earlier into Ukraine now before his term ends. But it
• 42:59
  Speaker 13: looks to me like Trump wants two deals. He wants
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: the Israel Deal, which re energizes the Abraham records and
• 43:07
  Speaker 13: brings Saudi Arabia into a close relationship with Israel. That's
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: what he wants in the Middle East. In Ukraine, he
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: wants the war to end, but on terms that look
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: like they will favor Putin more than Zelenski.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Domestically.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I want to go to this issue of new urgent
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: to surveillance laws talked about by the government this time
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: last year. The Coalition was dragooned into supporting legislation from
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Labor about preventative detention orders or twelve months on that
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: one order has been lodged by the government. They now
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: want basically a blank check to remediate that recent High
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Court decision ruling out ankle bracelets and other surveillance mechanisms.
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: What do we know about this, Well, we know that
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: them saying they're going to rush more urgent legislation through
• 44:03
  Speaker 13: just like they did last Christmas. But really, anyone in
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: the Parliament who gives this government a blank check to
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: deal with another High Court decision showing they've failed with
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: what they planned to do last time has got to
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: be a victim of that. Saying the definition of stupidity
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a
• 44:24
  Speaker 13: different result.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I could not agree more.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: These guys can't draft legislation at all. Everything they've put
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: through with all the resources of government, Michael, as you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: has been found wanting. It's had multiple amendments, not just
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: in the Senate but on the floor of the House.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: That stuff really rarely ever happens, and it tells me
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: they've got great problems, not just in the drafting office
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: but back in the department. As we can see that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: fixation on bloody flags behind the officials.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I'll leave it there.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I'll get two cranky Michael Schubridge than give your time.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: After the break the unions are ramping up their attacks
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: on the Pilbro.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: They want to.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Reunionize workers in a key mining sector, then AD's and
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: net zero.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe all of that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Plus a shocking breakdown and communication it's seen a delay
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and a decision to fund life saving medications.
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: Welcome back.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel, lp MP, Keith Pitt, Paulin
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Hanson's chief of staff James Ashby Gents.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I'm conscious of time.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: What's this attack on our standard of living, which is
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the mining industry which pays our way in the budget.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: This push Keith to reunionize the pilbro. What's going on?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Well, this is what pattern bargain is about, and that
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: was the deal the unions made with the Labor Party
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: for support Peter. And what it means is if you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: can be a really remote area get paid higher wages
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and the unions can then try and apply that across
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the entire industry. It's bad for our competitiveness, particularly for
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: someone who is trading internationally and our exports and is
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: what is our biggest single industry.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And we'll stay with the CFMU James up your way.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: In Queensland, there's now more extensive investigations into links between
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: alleged links between the CFMU biki gangs organized crimes and
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: now there's a forensic financial investigation. This will be brought
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: into probe. The Queensland branch called a Mentha, will conduct it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And there's talk there about illegal kickbats. How important is
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: this investigation.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll make an observation here, Peter.
• 46:39
  Speaker 14: The CFMAU have always been against contract labor higher and
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: here they were using bikis to go and clip the
• 46:45
  Speaker 14: ticket and collect the cash and be standover merchants in
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: a state like Victoria. Yeah, this investigation into the same
• 46:53
  Speaker 14: branches in Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland is important.
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: Queensland tried to abolish use of bikes in certain industries,
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: whether it be tattoo, parlors or security back in twenty thirteen.
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: What did labor do when they got elected, Well, they
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: rolled all that legislation back and so look, it is
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: important for these investigations to take place. We want to
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: see the CFMUU cleaned up and if they're not deregistered.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Them all right, let's go to that blue that's going
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: on inside Medicines Australia, the pharmaceutical body and the federal government.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Keith.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: There's quite a debate going on about the delay in
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: subsidizing some pretty important medicines for chronic disease and cancer treatments.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: The PBAC, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee, has been forced
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to hold some extra meetings. There was a concern that
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: some forty five medications could be delayed, life saving medications.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: What's going on, Well.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: These are the priorities of the alban Ezy government, Peter
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and what it looks like to me, and I'm pretty skeptical.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I got to say those delays save the budget money
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: but have terrible impacts on those people who are waiting
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: desperately for those new listings and to get access to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: those medicines. So the Albanezi government is one that will
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: always find a way to subsidize a wind turbine or
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a solar panel, but not necessarily do the things that
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: actually matter for the Australian people, whether it's an impact
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: on their cost of living, whether it's health services for them,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: whether it's roads and repairs or actual infrastructure.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Jeez, keep I think you're spot on.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a timing issue, right, So if they
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: push out these medicines into the new financial year, it
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: preserves what's less of a pretty skinny surplus, which I'll
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: crow about at the election. But God knows what happens
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: to people waiting that long for these medicines. Let's go
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: to the whole continuing fiasco of electric vehicles, if we can.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: James Ashby, it's been proven in all the data out
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: today that it's mainly inner city electorates favored by the tills,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the Greens and labor that are shopping out these vehicles.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Of the top twenty seats for EV registration, only two
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: of them are held by the liberals. You've got Tesla
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: at dropping its prices, people not buying their vehicles overseas,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: but here at home we can see exactly who these
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: voters are.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: I've run into a dealership owner the other day who
• 49:22
  Speaker 14: said to me, the biggest teltale sign for a person
• 49:25
  Speaker 14: that evs won't work is when you go to trade them,
• 49:28
  Speaker 14: and these eighty thousand dollars vehicles that people are paying for,
• 49:31
  Speaker 14: you're barely able to get twenty thousand dollars as a
• 49:34
  Speaker 14: trade in when people go back to a hybrid or
• 49:36
  Speaker 14: a combustion engine. So it's a dirty secret, but the
• 49:40
  Speaker 14: industry is well aware of it. No one wants these
• 49:43
  Speaker 14: use evs and fill the buy one because at the
• 49:46
  Speaker 14: end of the day, you don't know.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: How much life you're going to get out of them.
• 49:50
  Speaker 14: And I've just say to buyers out there by beware,
• 49:53
  Speaker 14: buy a hybrid instead, don't buy pure electric.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: You'll do your money on them.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Hey, just quick, I'm almost out of time here. Keith Pete,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: you're a.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: NAT Do you want to see a reassessment of the
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: coalition's net zero commitment?
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: Well, Labour's got this completely wrong.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: We just saw pay the defense policies now net zero.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I don't care how much emissions a tank or a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: fighter jet has. I just want to be the best
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: at protecting Australian, protecting our workforce and our soldiers.
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: It's as simple as that. All right.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I'll leave you there, gents. I've got to go to
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Andrew Bob.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: See you both next week. That's it, see tomorrow. He's
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Andrew