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Ossie Relives FA Cup Final Heartbreak | Outisde the Box Ep 5 · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

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  I'm excited about it, love the FA Cup, I don't know about you, love the FA Cup, remember
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  watching it as a kid growing up, waking up downstairs, 9 o'clock in the morning, turn the
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  tele on and it was already on 9 o'clock in the morning.
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  Did you know about it, didn't they actually?
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  Yeah, it's brilliant, just, you know, they'd be doing quizzes, they'd have fans from
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  either team, eventually culminating in the, they'd be on the bus, they'd be on one of the
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  team's buses on the way to the ground, they'd play the FA Cup final song that they'd recorded
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  earlier in the week that'd go off, I used to, I used to absolutely love it, I think maybe
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  because as well, I, this, this time for me, of my real sort of first experiences of football,
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  well what I can remember back when you said, in your memory bags, what happened when
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  the English clubs were in Europe, so this was the sort of pinnacle of every season, this
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  was what every season built towards, and as a kid who loved football it was so exciting.
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  It doesn't really feel like that anymore, no, it doesn't, in terms of that, obviously
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  we still love the FA Cup, especially in the UK, but it's not made as big of a deal as
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  what it may be used to be 20, 30 years ago.
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  Champions League football changed all that, and the money that goes into it, the ease
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  at which we can see every game on the tally, so people will be able to tune in and watch,
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  you know, the semi-final we've just seen, you know, by a Munich PS, PSG, we can also tune
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  in and watch that, whereas it was hard, a lot harder to have access to that kind of game
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  back in, you know, go back 30 years.
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  I was just, I've always been able to watch the game, watch whichever game on my age, not
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  sure if I used to, showing it, showing it, as he making me feel old there, as he trying
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  to make himself feel, he's not doing it to me, he knows better than that.
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  Yeah, yeah, not just that.
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  You've grown up in the age of access for everything, and all sorts of growing up, you've probably
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  never known what was like not to have a phone.
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  Yep, you know what I mean, where you had to literally go knock, knock for your friends,
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  knock on the front door, and I still did that though, I still had to knock on.
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  Oh, oh good, yeah, you're not too old.
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  We were saying the other week, like, it's all my else, yeah, I was in that, like, era
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  of, like, play house, I reckon I was like the last era.
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  Jumpers for goalposts.
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  Knock on though, did you call it knock on, or knock for?
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  Yeah, or knock for me mate.
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  Knock on.
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  I was knocking for you, or knock for you, or knock on.
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  No, I'm not knocking for you, or knock on.
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  No, I'm not knocking on.
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  I'm not knocking on.
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  How often did you play Fuzzy when you were kid?
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  Every single day, yeah.
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  Every wasn't in school's playing Fuzzy.
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  Well, when we played Fuzzy when we were in school break time, didn't it say, any time
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  to be gone, we were kicking a bone, if we were kicking a bone, we were taking the
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  Mickey out of each other.
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  Yeah.
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  And for me, if it wasn't doing either of them, I was having a fight.
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  Sometimes the both of the saves, I mean, that's happened.
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  That I was having the knock on the live out there.
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  So yeah, I mean, as he's memories for the FA Cup and all that stuff, as he's immersed
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  in football, and it's from a, it's from a young age all the way through his adulthood,
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  even to now, is it's just engrained in his life.
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  Obviously for me, it's a little bit different, even though I love football, and it's me
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  passion and it's what I do, what I love where I go every weekend.
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  I wasn't engrained in the cup that much because I'm just sick of getting me out.
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  I'm not knocking on.
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  Yeah, it's fit.
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  I've just had enough of it.
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  I've lost the passion for the FA Cup, I really have, which I'm sad to say that I have.
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  Well, now you've never had it back then, sort of, you've slowly lost the past after 1995.
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  It just went.
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  I wouldn't say it after neither.
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  I mean, that day at Wembley, the cup final, beating United Way, we did against all the
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  odds, dogs aboard that year.
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  It was good to get to go.
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  It's great, it's great to go, but it's great to, you know, reminisce about it, but ever since
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  then, it's just after being laughed at by them, maybe you're the problem, maybe we just
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  can't take you anywhere to follow the team.
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  Maybe that's what it is.
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  Maybe that's what it is.
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  I mean, that being down your, I was at the Cup Final when King scored that goal in the
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  first second.
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  But we lost that.
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  I know, but that's what I'm saying.
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  I don't know.
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  I just feel like we don't, we don't really go for the cups anymore.
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  Do you understand why I'm saying that?
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  Maybe it feels like that.
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  There was definitely a spell in the late, late 90s, early 2000s, where Premier League survival
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  was a lot more important.
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  And yes, maybe we didn't as a team, I think before I got it.
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  I think even still the first two seasons that I was playing, I think there was still concern
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  about not being in the FA Cup or it's not the end of the world, not being in the FA Cup
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  because we've got to make sure we stay in the Premier League, but as you progress and
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  you start to attack it, to start going for it every single year, you start to realise
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  you've probably only got, so I got in the first team properly at 23.
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  As a first team player, you've probably only got about seven or eight attempts ever
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  as a player to win the FA Cup.
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  Ten of you have fortunate, 15 of you have an amazing life to look at your body.
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  20 of you got a body.
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  Well, James Milner, yeah.
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  But you've probably not got many realistic opportunities.
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  And the sooner you realise that as a player, the better because you've got to go and
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  try and seize it with both hands.
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  You've got to take it as it is.
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  And that's what I love about, let's say Pep Guardiol in a minute because he's come into
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  the country.
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  He's been here a long time now, but right from the first, you know, right from his very
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  first season, he didn't dismiss winning any, any silverware, I thought he didn't think
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  Carabao Cup wasn't good enough.
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  He didn't think the FA Cup was not good enough.
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  He showed that actually every single year we want to be left in a trophy.
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  It doesn't matter whether it's, or it does matter, but they would go for the Champions League
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  in the league, but our domestic cups are still trying to stick to it.
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  I was always just trying to stick to it.
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  City fans love him for that.
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  I was always disgusting, I remember that year that when you're nice I pulled out of it.
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  The club well club.
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  Yeah, I was always, I was, I was always disgusted at that, but, you know, that's really bad.
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  I would never want to, but I'm not going to lie.
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  I just, about me, I broke too many times, I've just, I've had enough, like I'd say,
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  another, what was your first memory then of the FA Cup, your first memory?
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  I was, I was, I went to all of the buildup games in the 95.
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  So I don't remember who exactly we were, remember Dave Watson scored in the head in one
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  of the rounds at the club at the street end.
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  We beat Derby in the third round, however he scored the other against that round.
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  We beat Norwich 1-0, we beat Norwich 4-5, or we do castle 1-0, the quarter is 7-0.
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  I think it was, I think it was 6 or 7 quid to get in, but I crossed the same step.
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  So I was at most of them games, there was, yeah, that year we won it.
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  I've been to so many, I've, I've, another, I'm not sure if it was the FA Cup or the, the,
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  the league cup, the Dan Gosling goal.
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  That was the FA Cup, that was, I think the fourth round, but it was definitely the year
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  we got to the Cup Final in 0-9, because I scored, when we beat Marcus Field 1-0 in the
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  third round, which had a funny story with it.
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  And then, and then yeah, we beat Liverpool, Villa, Middlesbrough, Man United, like we played,
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  apart from Marcus Field, we played some sort of games to get ahead of us.
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  I think the euphoria and the, the status of the cup still remains, what Marcus Field
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  on this year, you know, top and off beating the champion to do the holders of the, in
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  Palace, didn't he?
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  I think it was Palace of the Beat, it was, the hot and the, they're the holder of the
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  holder.
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  So, that, that, the fairytale stuff is still there.
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  I just feel it from my personal perspective, I'm just sick of it.
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  I've just, I take the kids, I mean, was it the FA Cup when we went to, I took the kids
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  so I'm afraid, and said to our quarry, right, listen to that, we'll go on this one.
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  I said, because it's, we're going to finally topple them, and I'm veiled, and they put the
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  kids out.
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  And they don't, and I just, and I think it was one case of John Scott, the goal in, and
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  I'm just like, if we're not going to do it tonight, we're, I'm never going to do it.
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  And it made me and I'll call you saying, though, I even have a pint of half time, you
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  know what I mean?
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  That's going to be the one.
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  Yeah.
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  And we just lost.
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  So, you can't, you can't separate your heartbreak with everything from the FA Cup in
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  general.
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  No.
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  It's all just packaged in one.
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  Yeah, it just comes, it's just all rolled into one.
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  Even that 95, the, the underdogs, and I said the dogs are what, it was brilliant and
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  one occasion, but one night, I've had 20 cents, 30 cents, and it's nine, nine months
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  old, about, that 1995, I'm not doing that with a lot of things.
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  Thanks.
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  Well, I've obviously seen nothing, actually, like not one.
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  I say this to, so my eldest brother, our Craig, who got me support in heaven, he's
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  the reason I suppose.
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  Me, I felt it was a cup of ice, me mum, it's kind of a blue book, me mum's mum, me
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  Nan who's no longer with us, me beautiful Nan, well, she was a staunch blue.
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  She was a proper blue, one of the Iron Man's who was going in and stuff like that, yeah.
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  Loves it, she was brilliant, a little frosty top on her, going in and giving it the big
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  and butter, and our Craig took me, but I've just got too many years of our break with
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  her, so I just, I want me kids to see something like, weird, weird, weird generation, I'm not
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  fake.
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  I know what I was, but weird generation of days, positive thinking, the mind's got to manifest
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  the mind.
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  I know why I'm up and ideas, but I know all these things, my eldest brother was 10 years
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  old, me and I know why he supports Evan because he was around in that 85, you know, he was
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  going on the match in VD and Dandy Grey and all that, you know, Linnacher was around,
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  all these players around this area, Evan winning leagues, Evan winning cups, Evan winning
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  Europe and we were flying, I know why he supports them, I know my kids look at me sometimes
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  think that, what have you done to us, why?
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  Yeah, I've told him, my kids say that to me all the time, it's character building, that's
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  what I'm talking about.
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  I mean, a passer-off, it's okay, it's character building, I'm not going to lie, it really
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  is, but I just want to tell you, and I just think of the party we're going to have,
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  even when it happens, even when it happens, it's going to mean it will, the light will be
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  a party, I will never come down from it, and I just feel, it's worth it, it will come
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  out of the way.
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  I think we're going to win the cup within the next five years.
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  Okay.
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  How's that?
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  Is that bold, still to say three?
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  If any, I just want, I think five, two, I'd like to go with three.
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  I just want to see David Moise leave and let's see, positive the club.
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  No, pal, pal, let's just do it.
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  Look, teams have done it.
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  I'll tell you now, if we get into Europe, he'll win the European one.
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  I'm telling you, if Evan can get European football, I promise you, he'll win that tournament
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  because he knows how to do it, he's got it in the locker, he's done it before and he
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  can do it again.
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  I'll tell you, he will have a better squad than Evan, than the other Western.
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  If you look at, if you look at the semi-finals of Europa League, the conference league, Palace
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  3-1 up up to the first, you know, they were, I think, in fact, we're recording this before
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  that, aren't we?
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  Well, Palace, probably in the final, we've got Villa or Forest in the final.
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  We've definitely got a team from the Premier League in each final.
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  Arsenal?
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  I mean, you're looking at, it is, it is possible for us to feel like it's strong in Europe
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  and it knows how to start handling these games, sati, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday or
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  all whatever it is, but I don't think that takes anything away from the FA Cup.
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  I still think, traditionally, everybody, maybe it's a generational thing.
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  Maybe it's people who are, who are our age, who have not been a scot to you.
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  Sorry, they're, they're just, they're not, they're just nostalgic about the FA Cup.
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  I look and wonder whether my kids are that bothered because if Evan were in that 100% they
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  would be.
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  There's going to be a big game.
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  They'd sit down and watch the FA Cup, but when I was a kid, and I'm moving on from
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  being a young kid when I was watching it to 16-17, and my birthday is in and around FA Cup
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  final every, every single year.
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  So we were just, I used to have a big party, people around to our, our, our, our homie
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  mum's house back then, and everything was centered around the FA Cup.
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  We'd do a sweep for first goal scorer, we'd do a sweep for goal scored, we'd do, you
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  know, quiz, whatever it might be, and then drink until, you know, it's, so you can't
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  anymore.
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  Yeah, I mean, I was, yeah, I was 12 at the time.
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  Season Dollar Hall, by the time he was 14.
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  You just, thank you so much.
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  It's not really.
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  I'm just taking the miracle there.
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  Those who don't get me.
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  Well, part of the big day, the big occasion on the day, it was a big day that, at the
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  start, the everyone looked, it's pictures come out, what day's the FA Cup last year?
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  That means that's the day we'll be having the, the big end of season party and hope
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  to, hope to, these are the, my, my kids now, I don't know if, unless our team are in
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  the final.
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  I don't know if they'll sit down and watch it because there's too much thought available
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  to them now.
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  And it's all available at the end of a finger.
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  Everything's iPads, everything's, everything's streamed, everything's, everything's available
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  at the touch of a button and, and we didn't have it then and I think a part of me, that
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  was one of the things.
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  Yes, it points me now that the, the kids don't have that like, like, with me, we're talking
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  just before we went live on air about knocking for your mates.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Well, almost last time you had a knock at your door is you in.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, you know, when we were, like, have you got a house phone now?
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  No, don't, don't.
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  Don't have a house phone.
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  It's the world we live in now.
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  And I have to actually go find, like, when the mates are coming and they'll pick them
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  up either in a car or they've made something before they drove, they'd wait outside on
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  the end of the day.
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  And she goes, they've phone up, you're like, like, come say hello.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, like, I've to actually come, because I want to get to know all the kids' friends
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  because one of the best things that happened is with these, my moment I'd know all of my
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  friends brilliantly because they got to know them all the time in social events.
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  So, these are the kind of relationships you get from having an FA Cup party and you
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  get from having these parties.
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  Yeah.
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  It was now I'm having to, you know, show me kids' mates to come in and actually introduce
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  themselves to because I'm not getting to interact with them or it's a star doll, that's
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  a proper family.
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  And then, you know, I'm fortunate that every kid grows up putting that kind of atmosphere
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  in that environment, which, as he's very lucky that he did, you know, fantastic parents,
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  brothers and sisters and stuff like that, I grew up.
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  My age was the go-to age when I was when I was younger, so I've got the same 10 mates
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  of me on school with him lost, and that's the only group I've seen for this one.
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  10?
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  You've not got 10.
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  No, I haven't.
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  I mean, I've got to have a suit with really close friends and I've got to vote 10 associates.
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  New Cup, I'd know you as I, which ones are the associates, but now, I get it.
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  What are you saying?
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  You know, they're not going to be a mates and, you know, they're all small rings and I
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  wonder who it is.
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  And you're in, are we meeting here?
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  Are we going there?
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  The kids are missing out so much on that these days.
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  Yeah.
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  They really, really are, but nostalgia and moments like that and the FA Cup plays a big part
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  in them, nostalgic moments when you look back.
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  Did you have a favourite FA Cup party?
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  Was it like a game that you were watching and then a great game or a team you sported
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  in?
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  Certainly wasn't a winning game.
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  I'll tell you that much.
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  I remember a few.
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  There was a party when I was, I reckon about, I reckon about 20, maybe.
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  In fact, yeah, it's got a bit of a story to this one.
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  So when we were 20 at this party, all my friends came round and it was one o'clock in
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  the afternoon.
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  The game was kicking off at three or four at that time so it might have even been 12 and
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  we were all in the garden and those young kids and 20-year-olds, you know, you start doing
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  stupid things and we all started, we mum had this big top of where I think for spaghetti
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  back then, you know, to put it in and we were passing that round of group all poor and
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  drinks, you know, a bit of our own drink into it and doing like, you know, when it eventually
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  stopped on that person, there was chicken wings in it, there was ribs, there was vodka, there
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  was whiskey, there was all sorts of it, it stopped on one of my mates and he had to eat
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  the chicken wings, the ribs, drink the drink and he had to get his misses to pick him up
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  about 45 minutes later because he couldn't make it and then later that night someone brought
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  water balloons around as a present for me and as we were all sort of sat outside in the
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  garden, water balloons were hazing down everywhere.
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  This is all the one party, what's the, what's the, what's the F big cup?
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  I can't quite remember it, what's that, I'm not surprised, you can't remember to be honest,
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  I remember that particular year but by the end of the night someone suggested it be good
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  to cut our hair so we all ended up with a skinhead then it became, the razor came out so
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  we all got our heads, what, what, what, what, what, got big, oh my god, we all got our heads
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  big at the end of the night, I think I'm going to kill me if I went to a party,
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  came on my mind, it was a, it was a really really good day, so you killed your style?
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  Well I woke up the next morning and so it was probably only, probably only about three or
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  four days later, we were on the pitch at Gooderson, getting presented with the Premier League 2,
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  you know the reserve Premier League back then and if you look at the pitch you got
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  and the old and taffold and the trophy up and you've got me and two other lads who were on
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  this pitch with absolutely no hair, I looked like Cisco because I had a bit of a tang,
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  and because I did take the thing off the top made me head was, Skype was white
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  and I'm on this reserve pitcher forever with three, I think two or three I was looking
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  and like an absolute embassy, look on like Lee Carlsley's love child, yeah, I'll take that,
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  what's your favourite FA Cup memory personally when you were playing?
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  I'd love to say, I'd love to say an FA Cup final that you know we got to lift the trophy up,
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  but the best feeling I had in the FA Cup was when we won the penalties,
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  semi, in the semi final against Manchester United and it was an anti-climax really of
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  and being completely honest because I personally don't think the semifinals should be at Wembley.
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  Made up, you said that so. No, that might have changed for this generation of players who just
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  think that's what it is, but that's not how we grew up, there was always a neutral venue,
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  wasn't there? Villa Park or Trafford City Library, you know wherever it might be dotted around
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  the country, so mentally when we got to that big moment we played this big game which was the
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  semi-finable, it was a huge knockout game at Wembley, to me that sort of felt a bit like the final
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  because I'd always imagined myself getting into Wembley playing in the final, playing a team like
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  that and then winning, so we did celebrate it and you know it felt like we sort of should have
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  been parading the trophy round after that at the end of that game, but you didn't, you just
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  need to come back and do it again, it was a strange feeling and I put that down to the fact that
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  I grew up watching FA cups in neutral venues and then to have got to a semi-final at Wembley,
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  it felt like, mentally I think it was, had that, had that have been on a neutral venue,
• 19:54
  do you think usually they just went right, lad's done, job done, off we went, we wouldn't have
• 19:57
  been, there would have been no celebrations, obviously you'd gone clap the fan, but there
• 20:00
  wouldn't have been a celebration like he was after that game. No, I think there would have been
• 20:03
  a celebration, I really do think there would have been a good celebration in the same elk as
• 20:09
  we celebrated that, but the different environment, the different venue would have made you realise
• 20:14
  that it was a step, rather than, I just mentally felt like we've just celebrated
• 20:21
  out of ridiculously at Wembley, you sort of feel like you've, you know, you feel like you should
• 20:28
  take a trophy on for that and just feel strange, it's a strange sort of feeling, because
• 20:31
  everything hadn't really had that level of success in that time either, you know, is that,
• 20:35
  does that make it feel a bit more? We got to a semi final of the year before
• 20:38
  in the carabiner, I wasn't called that back then, we'd lost over two legs to Chelsea and they were
• 20:45
  our nemesis at that point, you know, they had all of their ridiculous players,
• 20:51
  Joe Colbs, God, I think it's a good reason to beat us one, no, in the second leg,
• 20:57
  but yeah, we kind of remember your question now, what was your question?
• 21:01
  We hadn't been to Wembley, I don't think since 1995, it did sort of feel
• 21:13
  felt a bit strange after that, we kind of made it over the next eight years or so, we got to
• 21:19
  Wembley two or three times, we were getting to the semi finals of the other cup as well,
• 21:24
  we were getting close, we were getting, we were getting better, but couldn't quite get over the
• 21:29
  line. See how you feel about the cup and how you resonate with it in the past and the history
• 21:33
  through it, does that cross on because it's such a global, the FA Cup is global, the whole world
• 21:37
  knows what the FA Cup, did it resonate that way with the foreign lads? Yeah, or did it just like
• 21:45
  this another game we don't even get it? I would say the majority of players that came from overseas
• 21:53
  really understood the FA Cup, there was one or two that definitely didn't want to play in the
• 21:58
  early rounds because they didn't, you know, they might be playing against a Makas field just because
• 22:04
  we brought that team up and they weren't always, they weren't always mentally into playing in those
• 22:11
  games, I don't know if they felt they were better, there were some players that used to get injured
• 22:14
  all the time for them games or try and sit them out, so yeah, Joey, Joey, I'll bow with the
• 22:19
  words for it, Joseph Yobo, we just have to feel tight, or something, or be happy that he wasn't
• 22:26
  playing, you know, in those early rounds, always wanted to play in the bigger game, and always
• 22:30
  there as we got further on, or say it was, you know, man united in the third round you play,
• 22:35
  but didn't always fancy playing in the other games in that way, and I, but I loved,
• 22:41
  all of them, I just loved going to... People speak about Duncan like that,
• 22:44
  Joey's around for the big game, Joey's wanted to play in the big game for the lesser games,
• 22:49
  it's hard, you know what I mean? I'm not saying anything about Duncan.
• 22:52
  Yeah, yeah, not what you do, it's what people say. I'm just telling you, he's listed to this
• 22:56
  thing, I didn't say anything. Duncan's my mate, and I love Duncan, I'm a
• 23:00
  biggest fan, but that's what they always, that was what fans used to win, we want him in,
• 23:04
  against Sunderland, or you want him to play against this game, where it was, when it was
• 23:08
  united, Duncan had limped on the pitch. It was Liverpool, Duncan's limped on the pitch.
• 23:13
  Just had a... Duncan had a natural way of being able to get more out of himself
• 23:19
  in the bigger games, whether that was focus, anger, determination. If you played in other games
• 23:24
  and someone had riled him up, in the way you talk about Irling Harland at the minute,
• 23:28
  if you're playing in other games, if someone stood on his Achilles or riled him up and he was like,
• 23:32
  well, you want a bit, then you'd get more out of him, out of him in them senses,
• 23:36
  but I would never say he didn't try hard in all the games. I think he tried, but it's actually
• 23:41
  being. I also think as well, when he was playing against some of the better defenders,
• 23:44
  they were probably not used to the physicality that he could bring, whereas the lesser so-called
• 23:49
  defenders, they probably like the ball. The number of appearances he actually has for the time
• 23:55
  that he's spent at Everton is, he's our cult hero, he's everyone's hero, but the actual
• 24:01
  appearances that each got is not as many as others, but he has that cult hero status,
• 24:08
  because he gets us, he's one of us, but yeah, that's what I just, it's the other goals and the
• 24:12
  big moments, didn't he? Yeah. Massive moments, you know, the United and the Wednesday night,
• 24:16
  the other, it comes to mind, the Liverpool games, he's always terrorizing defenders,
• 24:21
  you just, I don't know, is it playing that role? Is it physically so damaging that he just can't
• 24:27
  play enough games? He is injured, he feels the knock because he is getting all the play week.
• 24:32
  I think his style of game was explosive in every way, so whether he's jumping or he's fighting
• 24:39
  or everything is very short, you know, half a second, just literally everything his body can
• 24:46
  give him in these half a second moments. So he was going to be susceptible to injuries in an
• 24:52
  explosive manner. I think like I'd always say myself, I think he's from a generation that
• 24:59
  probably look back and think myself included, probably could have looked after ourselves a little
• 25:04
  bit better there, probably could have, you see the generations as developed, I'm not just talking
• 25:10
  about not going out drinking of a weekend or not this, I'm talking about pre-hab and you're
• 25:15
  working before and yoga and all of this kind of stuff that actually probably helps
• 25:20
  like never getting into shape and playing longer term, that certainly would have gone against him,
• 25:26
  but he had some, he had some big injuries. And you got that scar on his car,
• 25:31
  and you got that like sort of Lewis Hacking who I thought was so talented. I mean,
• 25:37
  wow, what a footballer he was, I mean, he just knew where the net was, he could do everything,
• 25:41
  but it's like he had to be a hundred percent to be on the pitch, he had to not be feeling a single
• 25:46
  thing, I used to see him in training and I'd see him come in the dressing room afterwards and
• 25:50
  I'd be chatting with him and he'd, I'd feel less a little bit and I'd feel like where does
• 25:54
  he'd be feeling every single thing possible and it's, it knows my reactions to go on, that's not a
• 25:59
  knock, that's just, every player's difference, it's like that in your storage at Liverpool,
• 26:02
  and I think I was probably fully fit with nothing to win your bone about, about 10 times in
• 26:09
  my whole career. And I'd argue there are those 10 times seven or eight of them were my worst games.
• 26:16
  Honestly, it's weird because you're now just, you know, going over things too much in your
• 26:20
  head or you might be prepared too much or whatever it might be, or as sometimes you need to be
• 26:25
  sort of concentrating to nest, nest me uncle through this, they'll get it and then you get
• 26:29
  into the game, you forget about that and you've not, you've not overthought anything and you're
• 26:33
  going sometimes, it's a mere inboxion, it's a mere inboxion, is it? Yeah, every fight is injured
• 26:39
  and you get in the ring, every single fight. I'm not surprised because the amount of
• 26:43
  camera I've just talked about, big dunk, took the amount of explosive sort of movements you have
• 26:48
  to do, it doesn't surprise me that, for footballers, I just feel, it's, it's difficult, like it is,
• 26:58
  it's so, you know, as Luis Arthmi has always been the one that I thought, wow, just I thought,
• 27:02
  what a footballer. He's been at United, you know, he's one thing he's done that and I used to
• 27:06
  always be thinking every week, if he's on the pitch this week, we've really got a chance against
• 27:10
  anyone but it was just so little, he was on the pitch for us. Talking about that final, he scores
• 27:14
  in the first minute. Yeah, talks about that though. Brilliant build up. Yeah, looked forward to it,
• 27:24
  I remember feeling quite nervous going into it. Was you nervous for every derby?
• 27:39
  A little bit but excited as well. So, I did get more nervous for the FA Cup, I think, for another
• 27:47
  game of the derby, it's got the feel of it could be a one-off thing for you and you, you know,
• 27:53
  history could be written completely different off that one game and I knew the size of the game.
• 27:59
  So, I was a bit nervous in the morning. What did the nerves do to you? Did you feel like you made
• 28:05
  your sharp or did you feel like you drained a little bit of energy out here? Drain a little bit of
• 28:08
  energy. Oh, over the whole career. No, over the course of your career, I'd say, too many nerves
• 28:14
  would take a bit of your energy from you, rather than, but there is, I don't think you should ever
• 28:20
  go into a game without some sort of bottom line. It's an excitement and you know, it should just
• 28:26
  feel normal or not unless it should, you know, you've got a purpose, you know, you've got,
• 28:31
  you're a bit excited about to go out and achieve or go out and win or you're looking forward
• 28:35
  to the game because that's fun. That's perfect feeling. That's fun, I can't. I think it's mad that
• 28:40
  you do it, sadly choose, sadly wins, the every week and I just feel, how are you nervous?
• 28:44
  I'll say you're nervous, but I'll tell you this, I get more nervous now as a fan than I do
• 28:48
  where I've played. Okay, definitely, yeah. Way more nervous now as a fan. I'm happy you've
• 28:53
  shot that. You can't affect the game now. When you were playing, you knew, right, I know I'm
• 28:58
  feeling nervous, but I know where I'm going to go. So the morning of that game, yeah, a little bit
• 29:03
  more nervous than usual, but it just went for a walk around the around the hotel,
• 29:07
  listening to music, just chilling out. It went, it went quite well, but the issue was how hot it
• 29:12
  was. I think it was the hottest day of the year. It was roast and that day. And I do not operate
• 29:17
  well in the heat. I really don't, everybody just doesn't handle it well, but in my eyes,
• 29:22
  there was a game we played at home to Newcastle, ended the season roughly around about 2008,
• 29:29
  and I intend something like that. And it was red hot in the first half and I felt like I couldn't
• 29:36
  breathe. I was struggling. I think we might have even been getting beat one, they'll buy Newcastle
• 29:41
  sometime. I'm wrong with the way the score went, but this was the game and then we went in at half
• 29:45
  time and during half time at Thunder and Lightning. And we came back out and it was 10 degrees cooler.
• 29:50
  Suddenly everything felt dead easy. I was running around. I think I was involved in two of the three
• 29:54
  goals and we won three, one and it felt so that's just the difference in in a half of football.
• 29:59
  That was the second half of felt better because it was so we get to the game. Actually,
• 30:03
  Cole, I'm up against to have talked told you before is my toughest ever opponent. I'm playing
• 30:08
  against him in million degree heat. And then they also put the fires on to sort of, well,
• 30:14
  going on to the bit. I was like, let's just set them on fire as well.
• 30:19
  So and then the best 25 seconds was it the best 25 seconds that Wembley, because I hadn't touched
• 30:27
  the ball by the time we scored. So I really influenced the game and then yeah, it just felt a little bit.
• 30:34
  Do you want me to say you do something nervous and then we score so early. What did that do to you
• 30:38
  and there's then did it settle it or did you think oh, we've got a task on our hands or
• 30:43
  well, it felt good. It's if you want to start with scored in that moment.
• 30:49
  Didn't towards we I knew we just knew. We then realized the size of the task and how long we're
• 30:54
  now going to you know, probably be defending for it kicked them into life. But yeah,
• 30:59
  that just meant that actually Cole then and when played left wing, which meant I played
• 31:03
  yeah, it's right backs week. Do you know when you say I know everyone speaks so highly of
• 31:07
  them and you said he said it's obvious the point that you played against. What is it that
• 31:12
  because I don't have great memories of him being so prolific going forward. I have memories of him.
• 31:19
  No one was beating him. You couldn't beat him. You just couldn't get past them all around him
• 31:23
  even Ronaldo couldn't get past them all around him. He just dominated. You know what I mean,
• 31:28
  he just he just like he held you in your place, but I don't remember him getting
• 31:31
  in for them bang and agree. I know he did. He scored some goals. Yeah, he did. He played for
• 31:34
  Arsenal and Chelsea, you know, showed that he was prepared to make that move as well to play
• 31:40
  and carry on and win things. He was involved in two of the best teams the Premier League's ever seen.
• 31:45
  He was quick, sharp, intelligent, could jump, enjoyed the game, could run all day. He just had
• 31:51
  a he just had a little bit of good luck on his way. I hope you have a 12 inch piece as well
• 31:57
  and I want to just top it all off. So it was a tough day for me anyway. Yeah, yeah. What
• 32:04
  went wrong in the game then after that? So we obviously score early and then they, but what minute
• 32:09
  of the game is it? 20? 20? When they scored to equalise. Yeah. I can't remember the minute. Do
• 32:14
  you know what? I've never been able to watch it back. Oh really? No, I've never seen it. I've
• 32:18
  never seen a minute of it back. So I'm going off first memory. Meluda at first I think. Yeah,
• 32:24
  boss. And then I did Meluda put the cross in. I think Meluda got the cross in. It's a
• 32:29
  jogber. It was a jogber who scored the goal. I think so, yeah. Off that left-hand side then
• 32:34
  trying to think of it. I was on the left-hand side of the pitch. So I was up the end where
• 32:40
  King scored and I was on that, but something sounded like it was a jogber running away. Yeah,
• 32:45
  and that's everything. So I've just turned away and discussed and I don't even remember who
• 32:50
  properly scored it. Look, we needed to, we needed to have our best players and we needed to be able
• 32:57
  to outweigh them because of the quality that they were. It was hard to outweigh because of the heat
• 33:04
  and we were missing Jags, Arthetta. Big misses. Jags and Victor was an achievement. It was out for
• 33:12
  the game. All injuries. I think the Jaggers already out. If we still had them at that point. So we
• 33:20
  were, we were missing some big players and because you don't ask what you know when you go into a
• 33:27
  game like that and you look at the up. Obviously, listen, you know, they've got better quality. They've
• 33:31
  spent a fortune. I'm going to branch literally buying everyone up at the leagues, don't and stuff
• 33:35
  like that. You go into a game that you're okay. Listen, they've got a top quality players and they've
• 33:41
  got a brilliant squad and you go, we can't underneath these to have an off day.
• 33:48
  Depends how you're looking at that. For opposition teams to have an off day, you kind of have to
• 33:55
  fall into that issue. Yeah, you have to fall into that issue. And you go all the way there, you just
• 33:58
  say, no, and don't do anything particular in the opposition, just play badly. You've got to
• 34:02
  tactically do something. You go out on your kick triangle and part, you get under the skin or you
• 34:07
  you send you every team as that little horror don't you? And you want that little horror in your team,
• 34:12
  you know, we've seen none the other side that says you die at the least. But we,
• 34:18
  I struggled to think of it and play, we've had those little horror, you know, little rap bag,
• 34:22
  who just kicks people in and knows people, but he doesn't get sense of it. You don't need to get
• 34:25
  sense of it. You just have a little horror who's had everything and then he's always the one
• 34:29
  of the referees riffing the game and stuff like that. I did the, I did the referee in part.
• 34:35
  We had people like Tim Cale was good at that, you know, kicking people off the ball and knowing
• 34:40
  people and annoying people and getting underpins. Yeah, he was, he was not just a good player, he was,
• 34:45
  he was good at that. He was in a good way. Yeah, he was good at that, he was good at that side of it
• 34:50
  and he liked it. He liked to take the back. Yeah. Yeah, we, who did you play against those who
• 34:57
  you found was that person like who was the way to give you a pinch, give you a little kick,
• 35:01
  say things in your ear. What played on that ear? Must have been one, it was a horror.
• 35:06
  Oh, I can't think of the top of my head. Did you ever do a pinch thing, he's,
• 35:10
  he's horrible in. I hate him. I don't like him at all. No, no, don't like him.
• 35:15
  No, but I'm nobody's day to age. I respect it on the pitch. No, I respect the day to age.
• 35:19
  Who's set about you to get like to, no, what was coming after me? Of course, yeah, but
• 35:24
  you don't play that many games in the Premier League and go every, he was always horrible in,
• 35:30
  like he was, he might not have been just to you, but you see how he is to others.
• 35:33
  So who was, who was the Tim's, who you seen Tim do that for us, you're saying Tim used to pinch
• 35:39
  them by, kick them to little nasty, who was the one who you seen, maybe not just, maybe not to you,
• 35:44
  what you seen doing it every time you played against them or you was on a pitch with him.
• 35:47
  It's a good one to annoy people on purpose and trying to, Bellamy was, was good at that,
• 35:53
  I can imagine that. In a good way. Yeah, good on him.
• 36:00
  Yeah, he wants to tell me on the pitch that, he was like, what was your manager like?
• 36:07
  We were down playing, I think I'm sure it was West Ham. I was like, yeah, he sounded, he was like,
• 36:10
  I think, I spoke to me, I was thinking about coming and speaking to you, but he looks like
• 36:14
  a right bell in, so I'm not going to say it to you and I was thinking, he's all right, you know,
• 36:18
  he's like, no, no, I'm going to leave that one mate and I'm like, oh, no, I'm not that bothered
• 36:24
  there. I just think every play, every team you need, you want that little order.
• 36:30
  That little order, because I think, the first thing I always think of is swadders,
• 36:34
  another name I think I'll type, yeah, it's just, is a Diego Costa. Play as you do at Nasty.
• 36:40
  SCM was a little bit nasty on the road. That's shocked, because twice, I was with him,
• 36:44
  so I didn't seem like a lovely fellow. Yeah, he's looking to mess with you, is he?
• 36:47
  There's a difference between being, how you are on and off the pitch and that would,
• 36:51
  that's class is off the pitch in terms of, you know, not really what's around it to win the game.
• 36:57
  He would, yeah, he'd stand on me toes and done me twice in tackles, but again, I don't,
• 37:04
  I don't see this as a bad thing. I see this as part of the game and I've got a lot of respect.
• 37:08
  I wish I would have could have done it more myself, because it's,
• 37:13
  it's important to try and throw the opposition off in that way. Of course.
• 37:16
  And try and win anywhere you can. Every, I just think every team should, I want that little fellow
• 37:21
  who just annoys me. That's one of the reasons why, well, you look at Chelsea's squad back then,
• 37:26
  don't want to compare them to now, it's night and day, but you look at why they were winning FA Cup's
• 37:32
  near enough every single year. What did Chelsea want it in? Obviously, oh no, with those, I think they
• 37:37
  might have won it a lot. They've said they got to the final and beat Liverpool Cup 2012.
• 37:41
  Chelsea were going to do it right because they had people that do all that nasty out of
• 37:46
  work, as well as having the ridiculous talents on top. And that was, and then you forget about
• 37:50
  the most important thing, the man on the sideline, that what he demands from you, chosen with
• 37:55
  Emil is the master of it all, because he wants, he's at, yeah, he's at the players, he's at the
• 38:01
  players on the other team, he's at the other manager, he's at the referee, he's at everyone,
• 38:05
  I think he makes you go into battle for them in the year like, I could only imagine,
• 38:09
  to be someone like, just me, you'll be in your manager, you'd want to run through Liverpool
• 38:12
  often. That first time he was at Chelsea, that's the way they speak about him, isn't it,
• 38:17
  with John Terry and that talking about how he sort of propelled them to the next level and how he
• 38:22
  made them feel. And I think that was probably, well, maybe he would argue with this because of his
• 38:29
  successor into Milan and Real Madrid, but that seemed like the pinnacle of his managerial career.
• 38:35
  He's still going, now there's even talk of him being back at Real Madrid. Yeah, there's
• 38:38
  the next season they're talking about that. So it shows that he's still got the hunger and people
• 38:45
  still believing him, but he's been a quality manager, but I want to manage it. Gus Hiddink was
• 38:51
  the manager of the day, they beat us in that final though. Yeah, they'd had a tough season up
• 38:56
  till that point, or early in the season, and he came in and really fired them into, sorry, got
• 39:02
  them sort of back playing and they still finished the season with the trophy. He's another one,
• 39:07
  who's won the La Cousin, Kenny. He's won an awful lot of trophies over the years.
• 39:11
  They just, I think Chelsea would imagine Chelsea then trying to compete now with the financial
• 39:16
  fair play, and they wouldn't have even competed. They'd have been thrown out, they'd been only one.
• 39:21
  That's why I think for both one third of them, I don't like this financial fair play thing.
• 39:24
  If you've got it and you can, and you can purposely put in place like Newcastle should be
• 39:30
  well allowed to buy whoever he wants. It's bad, I think it's wrong. Oh, it's mad that
• 39:34
  time is dictated that kind of thing, because Chelsea and less so much, they made a few issues,
• 39:41
  obviously. But you go back to the Walker who took over Black Jack Walker and took over Black
• 39:50
  Bay and you look at the success that they had off the back of him investing a hell of a lot of
• 39:55
  money. You look at the success, Chelsea's had, and then you look at the teams now that have
• 39:59
  got money that aren't able to invest. Did one of them to very scare the Premier League?
• 40:05
  Definitely in the way that a football club could be run into the ground.
• 40:11
  You have to pass this fair and proper person's test and you're supposed to be able to,
• 40:17
  FFP is about sustaining the club if the owners were to walk away tomorrow.
• 40:22
  Can the club be sustained? Are they financially okay? That the owner hasn't took a huge debt
• 40:26
  out against them or done this, that the club will go under it in a moment. So I understand the logic
• 40:31
  behind it, but at the same time you're stopping. How a Newcastle asked him to be able to get
• 40:42
  themselves into a fair fight with these top clubs that have got this global financial following
• 40:49
  because of the time and that they got their money and the time and they got their owner.
• 40:56
  Is anyone ever going to catch them up without just going through the normal way?
• 41:01
  They're not us, they're not and that's what's not fair because we've got now a consortium
• 41:07
  into control of our club. We were proper businessmen, even though I was a run for
• 41:10
  football clubs, they've got other footballs besides Evan, that are a global organisation,
• 41:14
  the Freedon Group and I just feel you cannot catch that big four,
• 41:22
  like you can't do it, I'm sorry, lest I shown freaky things can happen,
• 41:27
  but ultimately it cannot be sustained. It's actually impossible.
• 41:33
  It should happen more and for four really, shouldn't it? Like the surprise stories that just doesn't
• 41:37
  happen. But I don't think in our lifetime again we'll see what lest I don't. I think it's a one-off
• 41:42
  generation thing. I don't think you'll see another team do that ever again.
• 41:45
  Ever them fell into place in it that year. As in all the other teams, I'm in a transitional
• 41:51
  year or a poor year and the points that they won with would only win the Premier League one or two
• 41:57
  times, in the 10 or 15 years either side of it. So yeah, I understand that they probably won up
• 42:07
  again, but we have to dream. We have to have to do other teams other than the top guys.
• 42:13
  I mean, I have to dream that, but that's why that's why the FA Cup, the domestic
• 42:18
  Cup competitions are so important because they are actual opportunities. If you get a good run,
• 42:23
  if things go your way of other teams, you know, for one's of a better team, get themselves knocked
• 42:30
  out because of priorities or whatever it might be, to poor performances, you've got to think,
• 42:35
  if we get into a position now, we should have at least got to the final, maybe even won it in
• 42:44
  2013. Yeah, 2013 when Wiggen won it. Wiggen beat us in that quarter finals and City were hoping
• 42:53
  that we got knocked out because we had the little who they were on going on City at that point.
• 42:57
  We were able to give them a right-go game, beat them as often as they would beat us.
• 43:03
  And that was the big one for us. We should have beaten Wiggen.
• 43:07
  No, they went down that year. Didn't they win it?
• 43:10
  Wiggen, yeah. It's my turn. It's just for Wiggen fans.
• 43:14
  And I think the answer is they'd do it all again. I think they wanted to win the FA Cup
• 43:20
  rather than saying it primarily. My mate say that to me once again, I bring these donuts up,
• 43:25
  but they say, would you go down and take one in the FA Cup? Absolutely not.
• 43:29
  No, I'm the same. For us, for us, no. Because of the stature of the club,
• 43:34
  Wiggen, no disrespect to Wiggen. It's a time I'm very close to home, but Wiggen
• 43:44
  probably never going to sustain Premier League survival for 30 years. They were not that
• 43:49
  kind of club. They don't want to get in the Premier League and probably on borrow time with
• 43:55
  regards to the size of the league. I can't even. So to win the FA Cup, but to win the FA Cup
• 44:04
  is a huge memory, a great day out for all of those that they can now say they won the FA Cup.
• 44:09
  The FA Cup minutes of pain. I bet they were never going to
• 44:12
  the thought of playing in the championship. There's a possible chance I'd walk away from football for
• 44:19
  them. I cannot envision the thought of going in that, because I will just say straight up now,
• 44:28
  that is the hardest league in the world. That is the most competitive division in the world. Yeah,
• 44:34
  put at the same time. It's a joke. Villa went down, came back up. Newcastle went down, came back up.
• 44:40
  West down, keep on going down, keep on coming back up. You don't all come back straight away,
• 44:44
  though. Straight away, but I'm saying they will eventually, because of the size of the club,
• 44:48
  find their way back up. Whereas for Wiggin, they were up here for a short spell, and probably for
• 44:53
  the first time in their history, got to a cup five foot to win it. Good stadium as well. So it
• 44:57
  doesn't just show you the stadium is going to bounce you back up. The championship is so awesome.
• 45:01
  Look at Leicester. Mate. Mate. Mate. Mate.
• 45:08
  So you don't want to mean they're in league one. I mean, they won the premiership,
• 45:13
  10 years ago. Oh, my lord. I mean, just a stop. And they won the FA Cup after that.
• 45:21
  Well, Tom or the FA Cup, that's fast forward to the present day. Got Chelsea vs City in the final.
• 45:27
  Have Chelsea got what it takes to overtake in City or is it cities? No. Look, on a day,
• 45:36
  anyone's got a chance. What would you call it? Punches chance, the fighting chance,
• 45:41
  the swingers chance. It's just nope. But you look at both teams at the minute, and you see Chelsea
• 45:49
  moving backwards at the moment, they're really struggling. Look at the core of the team and the
• 45:54
  quality just really fell for them. Yes. You go into your dressing room with some big egos,
• 46:01
  the big, big egos. I mean, you've got that Ghana show. It doesn't look like the easiest to deal with,
• 46:06
  and then you've got a few other players. You've got the Leicester ends. Oh, coming out saying,
• 46:09
  I like the look of Madrid, and you just cool your jets like that. And then you need a manager
• 46:15
  the man's respect on top of all of all of that though. They then the moment they put him in,
• 46:22
  the players were always already saying, Meresco was hard done by him. We like Meresco. And he's
• 46:26
  doing nothing wrong. Yeah. Part of me saying, well, part of me saying, well, if that was the
• 46:30
  case, why were you slipping? Why were you doing bad? Why did they feel they need to get the manager
• 46:34
  going? And then the other side of that is, well, so what? Where God for? Where God for your new manager?
• 46:39
  Don't look like you're upset that the old manager is going to know you're not working as harder.
• 46:43
  I struggle with, forget the manager. Play for yourself, lad. Yeah, definitely. Play for yourself.
• 46:49
  Should be about a bit of pride. Have a bit of pride and go on. Fight for yourself. Like,
• 46:53
  fight, roll like your life depends on it. Get everything you've got for every tackle, every
• 46:57
  sprints out. Just do it for yourself. Forget the manager. Just do it for yourself. Have some
• 47:02
  pride about yourself. That might be a good speech for them to hear. Maybe you should go
• 47:06
  in the dressing room. Maybe you should go in the dressing room. He said to you. I'm hoping it's just
• 47:10
  a struggle at times because I've witnessed it at my own club when lads go out and I've seen
• 47:15
  made there was a spell at our place when the guy for lift and I just watch a change and it's just
• 47:22
  the relationship that he's had between themselves when I first went in and seen how the old was,
• 47:26
  it was like a, I'm not joking, it was like a family. They were just, they were like brothers,
• 47:31
  they tore the back harder, they tore the four, they tore the plate again, they just done everything,
• 47:35
  they were just one big family and when he went, that core remained for the first year and as soon as
• 47:43
  like, not even the whole of the first year, I felt like when we got to about April, March April,
• 47:51
  I felt like it started to break and I just thought, oh, this is a bit of a different place now.
• 47:57
  This fella's trying to put his stamp on things a little bit and I just feel, oh, this is
• 48:02
  to get a difference and then before you knew it, he's out, it's a bit of time, like what he's
• 48:06
  out the door, comparisons to Liverpool, the faces coming in and out. Because he definitely got
• 48:13
  when Bobby first comes in and when he first comes in, I don't care what anyone says, you get
• 48:18
  up to start then and all that nonsense with the spreadsheets. He had David Moise's regime and fitness
• 48:25
  and it's like he just let them off the leash a bit more and that's and I think that's what it was.
• 48:32
  But then when you started getting to March, but I think we had something like, we had more hamstring
• 48:37
  injuries in the space of like six months, the more David Moise had in the previous six years
• 48:42
  and I remember saying speaking to a lot of like, sir, those guns are so, what's going on?
• 48:46
  And he just said, we're not doing enough fitness work. He said, we're not as fit as we was and I was
• 48:51
  out, he's a trainer every day, he's like, Tony, it's just different types of animals like
• 48:55
  then it made me realize and as managed as chains in years when Bobby, I just watched the change
• 49:00
  gradually and it's just it's just a different for both a different game now. I think senior players
• 49:07
  are at a minimum like number now. I don't think there's no seniority in squads. There's no senior
• 49:13
  players in dressing rooms. It's kids running kids. Like these were in the dressing room and then
• 49:18
  these would feel no way to tell. And you're not sparkly, are you?
• 49:21
  I think I think what makes it easy is I think just to talk about Evan in the comparison and
• 49:27
  and look around with the Premier League is now look at a Chelsea maybe that when David Moise was
• 49:32
  signed and players like Artette, a kale, Lesca, Jaguil, you know, the list could go on stills and stones
• 49:39
  to all these people. It was with come here, make Evan successful, make yourself successful.
• 49:47
  And then speaking to players that were working under Roberto,
• 49:52
  for Everton, like Lukaku, he was telling me Roberto's told me to come here play well for a year or
• 49:57
  two and then I can go to a bigger club. And it's a step in stone for me. And there was a couple
• 50:02
  of players that I spoke to that said and I was like, wow, I'm fire. It's never been the mentality.
• 50:07
  And if that's, if the mentality of a football club isn't a community and be a part of
• 50:12
  making this club successful, then there's no one you have to hold people accountable because
• 50:17
  they're thinking, well, I'm going to be on the door soon. And I'm not planning on staying
• 50:22
  for too long. I won't be there. I'm not that, you know, if things don't work out our world
• 50:27
  next year. Whereas that's not the mentality A football club should have. Chelsea players shouldn't
• 50:32
  be thinking, I'll go in there and I'll do well. And then I'll get me men's off and
• 50:37
  others. Then I'll get me moved to rail Madrid. There'll be other players in that team thinking
• 50:41
  because Chelsea become a team that are buying so many young players at the moment. I mean,
• 50:47
  and they're probably doing it top only in that as a business. And by these young players,
• 50:51
  they might go on and spin. They might grow together, but there'll probably be worth more in
• 50:55
  10 or 15, 10, five years time, whatever it might be. But actually the mentality now is within
• 51:01
  that squad. They won't be there that long. I'm going. I'll be going soon. So there's no one,
• 51:04
  there's no court that are actually making that team a real sort of long-term project.
• 51:09
  The saddest part of what he's just said there, I've now as a fan, become to expect. It's only
• 51:15
  since David Moises come back home that I'm not accepting that no more. I feel like we're going to
• 51:20
  grow and we're going to get better. But for the last 10 years, or however long it's been since he's
• 51:25
  been away, I've now, I've seen them lads in them dressers and I've seen them lads in and amongst
• 51:30
  the club and I'm like, I understand why you've come here. You've come here to, to, to, and,
• 51:34
  and as I was sadder is, I'm a piece of it now because when you stand, they're like sickening
• 51:39
  Jews, be all. And you go, you go, you're playing because you're going to get enough game time
• 51:42
  and he's come to have it. I'm like, okay, you, you, you might not see anything as you're
• 51:46
  coming home and you might want to play football, but as I'm bad, there is, I'm happy with that
• 51:51
  because if you do well while you're at us, that means we're going to do well. I'm not really
• 51:55
  I don't see any future and now that he's back at you, but before he come home, he can't, I
• 52:01
  didn't see any future us. It can't be that and it has to be, it has to be known that if within a
• 52:07
  squad of players that, for instance, if you get, you know, we were growing as a team and we were
• 52:14
  getting better as a team and then, for instance, Man City came and said to Joel, unless we want you
• 52:19
  to come here and help us win titles. If that happens, that's part of the process. It was unexpected.
• 52:25
  It was an opportunity to go in win titles, John Stones as well in terms, but you have to,
• 52:32
  you have to do that because you actually felt that this was your home and you wanted this to work.
• 52:36
  You can't be doing it as a step in stone already because it's not true. You can't say you're
• 52:40
  never going to leave. And Keanu Jewishweold comes in, has come in now and is excellent for four
• 52:46
  years and then let's just say you're man United who are now on the brinker winning titles go,
• 52:51
  you're the last key for us. It's hard to stop. I get that. Have it and we'll have done really
• 52:57
  well for that time. I don't want to get that, but I only think it should be happening to us now
• 53:03
  if one of the title contenders are coming. If you live up here, look, well, no, not then,
• 53:07
  and regardless, like you don't believe him for that. I'm just going to let you know I'm looking
• 53:10
  back in the camera. Don't be, don't be leaving for them. When you were a don't leave for them,
• 53:14
  don't do it. If city come calling the past, look, I'll get it. I've always known and
• 53:21
  King told me this many years ago. I was in the ice bath. I finished farm sitting there, but to me
• 53:26
  neck and he's just looking at me shaking his head as usual. It was neck by the way. It was just
• 53:31
  awesome to me. He said, Tony said, you do know that all the players and I know he's only speaking
• 53:39
  about the players from the father perspective, because you're not well. He might even speak about
• 53:43
  us, don't know, but he said, they all want to live in London. He said, we can live a normal life day,
• 53:47
  you know. He said, I can't go to town. I can't do this. I can't do that when I'm living
• 53:50
  and playing for heaven. He said, man, I was like, you know, it's the same. We can't do it. He said,
• 53:54
  we're in London. You just go out and be left alone. We just go under the radar. It's always,
• 54:00
  it's always sat with me. So when London Cubs come calling, calling, I get it. Clubs,
• 54:05
  yeah, club calling. When London Cubs come calling, I get it. But really, it's only half
• 54:11
  something on Chelsea. I mean, Spares, I know better off than us. I think it's actually more
• 54:15
  toxic space now. You've got to proper love in for Spares. Now I don't think Spares is a bigger
• 54:20
  calling than us. And it's a bit of a mess from upstairs with them, but I also look at the same
• 54:28
  with United. I think there's a bit of a mess as well. I don't think they know what to do. I think
• 54:31
  the only clubs that are really attractive is Arsenal's really attractive. It's well run.
• 54:35
  You know what you get when you go there. You know it's the boss. You know he's going to be there
• 54:39
  for a period of time. I think it's though. Players don't seem to want to go out as much as they
• 54:44
  used to. No, it's a different environment. It shouldn't be as big a pull in those terms. But
• 54:50
  you do want to go out to us. Do you want to be out and do you want to go for the media? Social media
• 54:54
  now is such a prevalent part of football and the lifestyles that they lead and everyone just
• 54:59
  got a camera phone at the minutes when one walks anyway. He's getting video-picked. Everyone's
• 55:03
  jealous these days because, oh, there's him. How are you going out in town? Liverpool.
• 55:08
  I'm no wonder. I'm a punchy boxer from the fucking UK. Yeah, you get ready. No, of course,
• 55:13
  but no one's a very, very similar video man. And when they do video, they go, what's up with you,
• 55:16
  you were there? Just the two of you said, well, what are you doing? Like, your video,
• 55:20
  you were watching, well, why? And it's happened about three or four times and like,
• 55:24
  he's there. Look, that's for the arms of the year. Do you crack pot? What are you doing?
• 55:28
  So, but for you, like, as I've said this before and I'll say again, our country is governed by football.
• 55:34
  Our country, it's what makes our country go round. Football, Premier League football is the biggest
• 55:40
  thing in the country. By a mile, nothing even comes close. We're from the way. It's Covid,
• 55:46
  the players that are Covid, like, you know, it check real. It's just probably going to be one of
• 55:51
  the most famous men in the country. He's just a footballer and he's just a normal lad. But
• 55:55
  you want to follow him everywhere. Pitch some videos on him and all day, I'm going to bury. Just leave. Why?
• 56:02
  He's just a normal fellow who's got a kick in a ball. But this is what football has now become.
• 56:07
  And that's why everyone being the Janus, if he was in, well, no, it's a bit different for Jack,
• 56:11
  because we've years and more he's done. But these players, what's a living London? I think that's the
• 56:15
  part. I'll tell you about Jack very quickly, is the negatives around him are reported a lot more
• 56:21
  on a lot more quick. In fact, this isn't just Jan the positive. This is, yeah, this is general across.
• 56:25
  They're reported a lot more than the positive. All the work he's doing for, for the stable parallel
• 56:31
  Olympics. And all of that that he's that he's been doing, he signed up for another few years,
• 56:36
  won't get reported after as much as as him falling asleep in an afternoon while he's on holiday.
• 56:41
  Yeah. You know what I mean? So when a couple of babies, I understand that. It's wrong,
• 56:45
  but then I also think the same thing's happened to Raheem Sterling,
• 56:48
  Buying a smarter house and the way they report on it and things like that. And Buying is missing
• 56:51
  mummacard or whatever the way it that is if he's like being a Charlie big, big bollocks when he's
• 56:57
  when he's not he's bought a smarter car, he's bought whatever he's done. So I think certain players get
• 57:01
  certain scrutiny at certain times. But if Raheem Sterling was to be caught doing what Jack done,
• 57:06
  I don't think it'd be done anywhere near as much an ift and when Jack does what Raheem does,
• 57:10
  it's not even reported in the slightest. So it's just that it's it's the narrative with
• 57:14
  whichever narrative the paper want to go with. But I think we're moving away more now for,
• 57:19
  I think the journalists have become relevant. If I mean sort of I think papers have become relevant.
• 57:23
  Because of social media. Exactly. Because everyone's a journalist now. So the journalist
• 57:28
  are missing all the time because everyone's got a phone guy that I was not supposed to
• 57:31
  on social media myself. And that's the worry in time that you're living in. But as I say,
• 57:35
  for football is going forward. I just feel it's very, very difficult. I mean, don't know we've got
• 57:39
  this from an athlete called Weekend Bull. I know. The tag goes back to where they got
• 57:44
  because we started by talking about Chelsea and City. I just can't see City not winning this game.
• 57:51
  I really can't honestly, there must be favourites now to be winning the domestic treble.
• 57:56
  I'm not sure what the domestic treble, I'm not sure what the domestic treble,
• 58:00
  because I think there's a lot to do in that league. Yeah. Since I bought the cup,
• 58:04
  I think they're doing obviously they've got one cup down. I think they'll do the double.
• 58:07
  Pep has done brilliantly with, I think it's actually going to be forwards. Just this desire to
• 58:11
  keep on winning the FAQ. Does he leave if he does the treble? Does he call it? Yeah, I think he probably
• 58:15
  does. What makes you say that? Because I've been saying it's, I've been saying it's stay
• 58:21
  for the majority of the season because I just didn't think they would find themselves in this
• 58:25
  position. From the end of the season and yet, you know, they could end up winning another treble,
• 58:31
  which he's done before. I don't know. I'm often a domestic treble has been done. I know he's
• 58:37
  already done one himself. But what else is the firm to do? He's just feeling a little bit tired
• 58:42
  or he's feeling a little bit off it. I do think it's going to be better next year. I just think
• 58:46
  where does he go? The national team. I think he wants to go watch Stoppop like he loves watching
• 58:55
  Stoppop. I don't know. I'd love to know what he's going to do because I think he's got every right
• 59:00
  rules. I'm just going to have the greatest manager ever. Everywhere I've gone up, I've changed
• 59:03
  football. Everywhere I've gone. It's been relentless for him though, hasn't it? Every season,
• 59:08
  right at the top of the league? I don't know. When you speak to people, like speaking to
• 59:11
  Stonesie a year ago, so I'm probably about to just saying the intensity that he makes them train
• 59:19
  at that every day is done at. That must take its toll on him after a while. That must be hard for
• 59:25
  him to constantly maintain. That's not much of a personal life. It must be hard for him,
• 59:30
  most of all. I think he's a good golfer. I'm not playing against him any time soon. He's just a
• 59:37
  meast in football. You won't even play against me anymore? No, you're your bandit, that's why.
• 59:42
  It's just, I don't know. I think he's a stag, so I think he's so comfortable and he's
• 59:47
  and I think, you know, the biggest factor I think he stays, he'll struggle and this is a big
• 59:52
  statement. He'll struggle to have the control. He has a city anywhere else where he moves.
• 59:56
  You won't have that amount of control. I think football's just going in a different path now.
• 1:00:00
  I think, you know, this head coach role is kicking him more and more. He will not have the control.
• 1:00:05
  If he goes somewhere else, he's not going to be implementing ground rules that he implements
• 1:00:08
  it's a city. I know what you're saying, but how can any club take PIPGuardio they're in and not
• 1:00:15
  letting him be? If they're doing it to Carlo and Chalazzi, they can do it to PIPGuardio.
• 1:00:20
  If they're doing it to Rani, he's not coming in and winning the league in his first season,
• 1:00:23
  they'll do it to him. I just think it's where he goes. He'd have to go to it a less league,
• 1:00:28
  maybe a past, well, he's doing fantastic. He'd have to go, I think, to a less league to be
• 1:00:33
  able to demand eating control. There's not another Premier League club that will allow
• 1:00:37
  them to come in and take control of the infrastructure of the club. That's what he's done in the city.
• 1:00:42
  Everything goes through him. Name me another club. I'm thinking more along the lines of what's
• 1:00:50
  less left for him. Does he go into international management? Does he think, well, there's two leagues
• 1:00:59
  I've not managed in. I'll go managing Italy for a bit. Pick one of the best teams there and go
• 1:01:03
  be successful. Does he wait then until loose and recase finish to PSG and then go in after him
• 1:01:09
  and say, well, let's do France. He's not going to manage anyone else. I just don't think
• 1:01:14
  I just think that's the last year you'll see of a manager using control of a football club.
• 1:01:21
  Of the whole infrastructure of a football club, I just don't, I just think this head coach thing
• 1:01:25
  now is so prevalent. It's so relevant in the game. I just think we're not getting away from
• 1:01:31
  football now in my opinion is just going to go more and more like the NFL. Oh, I love the NFL.
• 1:01:40
  These directors are football, they're rolling the shows and managers and I don't agree with
• 1:01:47
  it, but it's just where football is and owners now are looking more to, I mean, using controllers
• 1:01:52
  in this in this current system, who's the boss to the football director of football or the manager?
• 1:01:57
  The manager picks the team director of football. Tells me, tells me we can have, so who's really
• 1:02:05
  picking the team? Yeah, that's me, but then how many managers, I'll say how many old-school managers
• 1:02:12
  are going to want to keep managing in that you are going to get as you were just switching on there
• 1:02:15
  then a whole new generation of managers who know that they are just responsible for picking the
• 1:02:21
  team up. Like Liam Lassini, and look how he's had to suffer for it. That can only be sustained
• 1:02:27
  for so long when you start looking at. But that's the model now? When you then start comparing it
• 1:02:33
  to Pepe who will get control over signings and control over this and then bringing success with it.
• 1:02:40
  So people like Liam Lassini who you've just said will be sort of warning signs for clubs and
• 1:02:48
  other managers that that's... Do you think Pepe's difficult for you to sit in the background and
• 1:02:52
  not give the manager the full support? Do you expect them to be successful? Michael Arthas just took
• 1:02:56
  years to get full control of Arsenal, years and he's had to get rid of sitting direct as a football
• 1:03:01
  things like that, like air-do and stuff like that. If you were to say to Pepe now, Pepe leaves and he
• 1:03:06
  goes away for, let's say, as a year out, and he comes back and he goes writing, we're going to
• 1:03:10
  Manchester United. Do you believe Manchester United just goes back to do what you want? You're in control
• 1:03:15
  by everything, because I don't. I don't think any club goes, you go do what you want straight away,
• 1:03:19
  but I just thought with Michael Arthas and people, you sort of get yourself in, you make
• 1:03:23
  you foot steps and then you gradually, you gain your control gradually. What city did straight away
• 1:03:29
  with him? You went to cities, everything was done, you got his white, you don't have to be
• 1:03:33
  yourself. They still had the people in the hierarchy, but they just got him to do what he wants?
• 1:03:37
  Yeah, okay. They didn't get success from it. Exactly, but that's my worry is why are they all
• 1:03:42
  moving away from that model? Because it's shown with the right manager, giving the right amount
• 1:03:46
  of time, and not every season has been a one to season for Pepe. Last season went great.
• 1:03:53
  No, didn't they win the title? Last season. They were rubbish last season.
• 1:03:58
  So this one I'm saying last season went great, and it shows stick with him because look what he's
• 1:04:01
  done this season, but that's so quick and so fast to fire managers and I'm just like, there's your
• 1:04:07
  man, let him have, let him be a little bit, David Moise is a perfect example. He's a bit, give
• 1:04:13
  the man control, he's showing you what he can do. It is crazy that it tells you now I don't know if
• 1:04:18
  I could final within an interim month manager, but surely that shouldn't be the case. It's
• 1:04:23
  madness. It's madness with people who aren't even fully aware. Listen, why did they say
• 1:04:25
  Khmereska? The players just come out crying, winging after it, I know it's all, all world
• 1:04:29
  setting up, but the fellas was doing a good job. Why are you sacking them?
• 1:04:34
  When he came out and made some strange statements, he was getting annoyed with them, wasn't he,
• 1:04:40
  he made some statements about we were picked out, you know, combined, making, making
• 1:04:46
  a visual space with the medical stuff. Yeah, but it's not unheard of, it's hot and
• 1:04:51
  sacked, merennial. Yeah, merennial. Before the caravan cook, we, during the week,
• 1:04:57
  this is time of football now. You're saying he's gone to Madrid, but that's the galactic
• 1:05:03
  host and I love Joseph. I'm as big as fan, but in today's game, he's really going to suffer
• 1:05:08
  because these players with the egos that they've got, and they have got egos. I will say,
• 1:05:13
  you said it before, but Joseph, what show for managers?
• 1:05:15
  They merennial's got a big egos as well in terms of, yes, he can demand respect from all
• 1:05:20
  them, but if they have one disagreements, then you can't say 28 players. Joseph Merino's not
• 1:05:24
  going to back down. That's what enchilotti was great in terms of, he's just so laid back, isn't he?
• 1:05:28
  A lot of lads at our place to love them. They back chill, can demand your respect. You know,
• 1:05:33
  knows what he's doing and yet wants to make everyone feel happy without anyone having a real
• 1:05:38
  debate or argument about it. There's no huge head face-to-face conversations. He manages
• 1:05:44
  big egos all in one way. Everyone loved him and everything. Every player loved them. I mean,
• 1:05:49
  he's the only manager in all the years. I never got to meet him. He was a COVID, only when something
• 1:05:53
  happened. He made me feel good. We only spoke for about 5-10 minutes. I spoke to him on the phone
• 1:06:03
  with the chairman when something happened that is outspot beside that. It was just
• 1:06:08
  but every player, and I was always been to the lads, was like, he's unbelievable. He's brilliant.
• 1:06:15
  It's just, like I said before, it's now worries me with the way football's going and the
• 1:06:20
  model that's putting forward. I don't see managers now having control anymore and I find that
• 1:06:25
  really a thing. That's a struggle. It's an interesting sort of
• 1:06:30
  confrontation. They're coming to the co-final again. When you've got a manager who's been there
• 1:06:34
  for ages one year old, could potentially have this game to win another treble against an
• 1:06:39
  interim manager who is in charge of a team that should be doing very well with regards to the
• 1:06:45
  money that's spending and the reputation and where the gold starts to fall in the
• 1:06:49
  part in front of our eyes with an interim manager. It's quite a contrast. It all comes down to
• 1:06:54
  players. Then players go in and they're pitching what I must show on the win lads. It's going to
• 1:06:57
  take a lead amongst that shall see team one of them to get amongst them. They're up in upsets
• 1:07:03
  back in the day. That'd be the biggest one if I think they win that. They're up in upsets.
• 1:07:06
  Wig and beaten city was won. Wimbledon beaten Liverpool and 88. But Chelsea with no manager.
• 1:07:13
  Chelsea with no manager in no kind of form. I think it'd be the biggest shock down beaten city.
• 1:07:17
  But the form city it in, the way they're playing, the class that they're showing on the pitch.
• 1:07:23
  Chelsea getting a result against them would be the biggest shock of them all for me with no manager.
• 1:07:27
  Because it usually may be, but I'm telling you, going back to Wimbledon beaten Liverpool in 88,
• 1:07:35
  I don't know if you're just about too young for that one. Wimbledon with a crazy gang, Liverpool
• 1:07:40
  with the best team in the country at the time, going for the double, John Barnes, I think,
• 1:07:45
  a just pink, or was it Steve Dupnickle? Because I don't talk about it that much, but I was like,
• 1:07:50
  I was a Liverpool fan. I shouldn't have known that. I shouldn't have known that.
• 1:07:53
  I shouldn't have known that. Jesus Christ. I don't think I've ever hidden it.
• 1:07:56
  I was a Liverpool fan as a kid. So I was at that game and it was Liverpool
• 1:08:01
  excited to win. I actually got lost within the stadium. So I get there before the game and it was
• 1:08:11
  quite messy with regards to the Stewart and outside. This was a year before the Hillsborough was
• 1:08:16
  quite messy outside. So we were all getting squashed. So they said, pass your kids over the top.
• 1:08:21
  I won't make this straight away. So they put all the kids and we got sort of filtered across on
• 1:08:26
  the top of our way, on the top of all the heads and dads and that. And they just let us inside
• 1:08:30
  the place and me dad had said to me, I'll just wait right next to that gate you go in.
• 1:08:35
  I'm going to keep you guys. I'm going to go in that gate and you're going to be stood there.
• 1:08:38
  I said, okay, no problem. And I does it. And they put me down and then a policeman was going,
• 1:08:43
  right, come on off we go. We're going to take you to the pickup point. And I was like, no,
• 1:08:46
  no, my dad said, I've got to wait here. And these policemen's going, no, no, we can't let you stay.
• 1:08:50
  He told you a little shit. Can't let you stay here. Yeah. Can't let you stay.
• 1:08:53
  We're going to take you to the pickup place. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
• 1:08:56
  So anyway, it takes me to the, it does what the policeman says. He went, your dad will know
• 1:09:00
  when he'll find out. Don't worry. You'll get there. And I'm in this pickup place. So this
• 1:09:03
  was probably about half an hour before the game. And then one by one, I'm sat there and there was
• 1:09:08
  loads of kids, one by one, all the dads came in. That's came in. Yeah, dad, there we go. I off
• 1:09:13
  to get the game and then thinking, where's me dad? What's going on here? What's happening? No
• 1:09:19
  one was coming in. My heart was breaking. Then I heard kick off. So it's five minutes in,
• 1:09:23
  ten minutes in, twenty minutes in, half an hour into the game and I'm thinking, where's
• 1:09:27
  me dad? I'm sure God of all, where's me dad? Is he watching the game? And he's just left me here.
• 1:09:32
  But there was me and this other kid. So the Stuart said, don't know what's happening here,
• 1:09:36
  kids. We'll, we'll take you outside just in case he actually didn't get in for some reason.
• 1:09:41
  So he took us outside to see if they took us through all the back enchances and all this
• 1:09:47
  outside. Like, which gate did you come in? I went that gate up there and as I'm looking in the
• 1:09:50
  distance, there was a fella banging on the door saying, let me in, let me in.
• 1:09:55
  And it was, it was me dad's mate I would go in the game with. I was like, because he would go,
• 1:10:00
  Clare, and he went, oh, look at what I said. What are you doing? He said, I put me out out to see
• 1:10:04
  if you'd got left outside. Someone pushed me out and shut the door. Yeah. He went, I can't get
• 1:10:11
  back in. So the Stuart said, don't worry, come with us. It was a funny story. Should have left
• 1:10:16
  the cop I said. So he gets us back in and then Glenn was like, your dad's been doing this blah,
• 1:10:21
  blah, blah. And I ended up finding that we only got in to watch the game, about five minutes
• 1:10:27
  into the, probably about, yeah, just after half time, I got into what, what's the, I mean lost that
• 1:10:33
  game, didn't lost that game. All you'd miss the pen. Brilliant. I missed most of it though. So that
• 1:10:39
  was a bad, that was a bad memory that turned out to be a good day.
• 1:10:44
  If I do, I don't remember, I don't remember anything about that. I'm six years old at the time,
• 1:10:51
  and yeah, I mean, we just need, I don't know, but we need to cut criminals. We just need to
• 1:11:01
  go. We love a good cut run. I think we were on, why have we never won the league cop us?
• 1:11:07
  I don't actually know the answer to that. Why have we never won the league cup? We've been going
• 1:11:11
  for a hundred years. Back in the 80s, weren't we? I mean, I don't want to hear we were robbed. I
• 1:11:15
  don't want to hear that. And we'll be going for a hundred years by the, the other mob just going
• 1:11:21
  off stories. It was about 84. How have we not won the league cop? It's just a joke. Like just,
• 1:11:26
  just, you know what? Just next season, just have everything at the league cup.
• 1:11:31
  Just have everything at the league cup. Every game, I don't care if it's, if it's Mansfield or Mansfield,
• 1:11:37
  just have everything. We should have actually won the, oh, sorry, we should not have got knocked
• 1:11:41
  out the league cup this year. Is it the team we put out against, against Wolves? Yeah, that team
• 1:11:45
  could be asked out in 11 and a half. It's just, it's confidence when you're going into games.
• 1:11:50
  And I just think the most important part of the pitch when it comes to confidence is your
• 1:11:54
  centre forwards. I think you midfielders control games, and we've got an outstanding midfield,
• 1:11:59
  you can't control games are just in up top, you need lads who are confident and they're,
• 1:12:04
  they're playing well. And I think it's probably the reason why it's one of the most important parts
• 1:12:09
  of the pitch. You should get your boots on then. I'm going to show David. No, we don't need to,
• 1:12:14
  we don't need to even go there. I've seen you play. Remember when I saw you play on good
• 1:12:17
  distance. Which time, the time has snapped me. Yeah, I was fantastic. The time you were telling me
• 1:12:26
  how good a centre forward you were. Don't make me, I was being the manager. Don't make me get
• 1:12:31
  me free kick out of us. He was on the pitch. I've got me free kick on the phone. Don't make me do it.
• 1:12:35
  Try to step over, fell on the ball. Five minutes into this game. He was telling me how good he's
• 1:12:38
  going to do playing centre forward. Five minutes into this game. He tried to try to, try to
• 1:12:43
  step over. I was playing fantastic. I was playing for the first time. I was running the game
• 1:12:49
  for five minutes. I think it was going to be, I was fantastic. And then that's sixth minute,
• 1:12:53
  just kicked in. That was the end of me. The scream echoing round Goodison Park that day.
• 1:13:00
  It doesn't matter, because I scored. I'm the last man to score a free kick. Goodison Park.
• 1:13:04
  I'm going to send you the clip and we're going to put it in at the end of this.
• 1:13:08
  Don't do that. The 89th minute against Parkley. It's back to the very edge of the fall.
• 1:13:14
  If you're able to watch this, it's actually worth it. It kills right into the top end.
• 1:13:18
  It's celebrations good as well. Yeah. What'd you go with? Big fat fellow like Robby Keen.
• 1:13:23
  I mean, I tried to roll over nearly put a crater and go to some park.
• 1:13:26
  Did the roll over there? Yeah. Nearly broke me back. The camera is on this side of the pitch,
• 1:13:30
  shook. What a goal. What a day. But yeah, it's just, I throw every, you know, the
• 1:13:36
  leak up haven't pleased. Give me and me kids something to celebrate. I'd love it to be the
• 1:13:41
  air. If you had to pick one or the other, I pick the leak up. I pick the air. No, I know,
• 1:13:46
  but we've never won the leak up. I want to see history at me club. We've won it five times.
• 1:13:50
  Now, the air. Give me the leak. I mean, yeah, you've got to be right. Just winning the
• 1:13:56
  Europa conference. No, we get in that way. I win in that. That's what I, because I know he's
• 1:14:00
  done it. I know he can do it. I'm evident of a far bigger and better club than myself.
• 1:14:05
  I'm sorry. I'm fans, but we are just the way it is. It's, you know, I'm just telling the truth.
• 1:14:11
  And if you're totally honest, you'll know that too. Just, I want to see history letters of
• 1:14:16
  complaint care of Tony Bellew. It's, I don't give a shit.com.
• 1:14:24
  Last question, score prediction. City Chelsea FA Cup.
• 1:14:29
  3-0. 3-0 City. And I think I'm being kind. Yeah, I'm going to go 4-1.
• 1:14:36
  I'm going to go a bit of a hand. I think there's a steamroll. I just don't see any fighting
• 1:14:42
  in that Chelsea team. And if you've got an interim manager, don't even know where he is, but they ain't
• 1:14:46
  fighting for him. And I just, you know, I've shocked me the most. I haven't, and he's clearly
• 1:14:52
  putting his name about 4-1. John said, you're coming home, I'm going. And the 18s goes,
• 1:14:56
  no one's calling me. He said that interview. And I just think, like, are they missing a tricky
• 1:15:03
  that the, the owner's a Chelsea, just give him a go. You couldn't get anywhere.
• 1:15:08
  John said, just made, just give him a go. John said, he is the one. I don't, I don't get what
• 1:15:13
  the big issue is. He's got all those badges. He's coaching 20 ones. And I can't see every single
• 1:15:18
  player. I don't care what your opinion is. They'll respect them. Every player will respect them
• 1:15:23
  because he will be mad. You sort of give your old ex players the game. I mean, give them the
• 1:15:30
  go. Do you seem to have to go and go and show that you can go elsewhere and go and do stuff and
• 1:15:36
  go abroad or as it seems a lot more glamorous to go and get a manager from abroad that you know
• 1:15:42
  one's ever heard of rather than give it to someone who could potentially understand the football club
• 1:15:49
  and be very good at what they do. Yeah. Don't really do that anymore. Ring that back to me.
• 1:15:53
  I think it's an interesting chance that interim manager going in tells you about problems.
• 1:15:57
  You put someone like John Terry in there. Just give yourself the end of the season more of a chance.
• 1:16:01
  Just so you know what we're going to give you the season. We're going to give you the year in
• 1:16:04
  charge. Get a grip of this law. Yeah, we're just going to give you a one-year deal. See,
• 1:16:08
  I would go it on. Can't give one-year deal. I know, but you just... The players won't really
• 1:16:14
  overly... Any player that doesn't feel like he's playing is now just causing a ruckus to get
• 1:16:18
  because you're only on a one-year deal. I'll I'll wait you out. You've got to give at least more
• 1:16:23
  than one-year deals and they're going to do that. Why did they do that? That's why they did
• 1:16:27
  exactly after two months. I mean, they can sack you after two months. Of course. I'm saying
• 1:16:30
  if you're three-year-one, you're going to give it five-year deal. You don't want to mean it,
• 1:16:34
  it makes no wads to them, but I just think for the Chelsea hierarchy, you've got a man there who's
• 1:16:40
  adored by fans. I'm not sure if he's a one club, but I know he's not, I think he's a villain,
• 1:16:45
  didn't even for a little bit. So you've just got a legend of the club there and I'm not saying
• 1:16:50
  every legend's going to be a great manager, but he's coaching at your club already and you're lost
• 1:16:55
  when it comes to managers. I mean, you've just been having a manager in controlling Liam
• 1:16:59
  Lassinia and the being making out he's David Brent. You know what I mean, but the things that I've
• 1:17:04
  got and I felt so sorry for him at the time because none of the players are coming out and going,
• 1:17:08
  no, he's not. He does this right. Where does he does this? He's brilliant tactically. He makes
• 1:17:12
  us aware of set and century. They're all just like, yeah, they even throw him under the bus.
• 1:17:17
  They ain't doing that to John Terry. I'm telling you now, he will, he will get, he will get a
• 1:17:21
  reaction, whether it's good or bad, he'll get one. And I just don't think Liam Lassinia
• 1:17:25
  never got that reaction from them. Well, we'll end on this. I think it's fair to say the most
• 1:17:30
  unpredictable thing, although we can come up with the FA Cup final. He'll be Aussie's birthday.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah, it is. Yeah. No, the year old, that's definitely wise. Always look forward to that.