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- 0:08Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone podcast presented by by Star Credit
- 0:13Speaker 1: Junior with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All Right, welcome
- 0:17Speaker 1: to this week's Ozone podcast was in a by by
- 0:20Speaker 1: Star and this week's guests a new Jaguars player, at
- 0:24Speaker 1: least new this offseason. I think fans are excited to
- 0:27Speaker 1: get to know it's the off season, so that's what
- 0:30Speaker 1: we try to do today. Jaguars tight end Evan Ingram,
- 0:33Speaker 1: thank you for joining the Ozone Bodica, I appreciate it.
- 0:35Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Um, tell me your impressions.
- 0:40Speaker 1: I actually got a few emails right after you signed
- 0:43Speaker 1: from people saying we want to know more about this guy. Um,
- 0:46Speaker 1: what are your impressions of the Jaguars so far? However,
- 0:50Speaker 1: you're two and a half months gone. It's been awesome. UM,
- 0:53Speaker 1: it's been awesome. It's been It was a it was
- 0:55Speaker 1: a wild adjustment coming from New York down here. But UM,
- 1:00Speaker 1: just just the building, the people here, UM, the coaching staff,
- 1:03Speaker 1: the players, a locker room is amazing. UM. It's been
- 1:06Speaker 1: a very um, smooth and fun and very motivating adjustment
- 1:10Speaker 1: as well. So UM, I'm enjoining my time here. We're
- 1:13Speaker 1: getting in a lot of work, um, and a lot
- 1:15Speaker 1: of guys are motivated, and um that's that's really refreshing
- 1:18Speaker 1: to be around. And UM it's it's helping me continue
- 1:20Speaker 1: to better my craft each and every day as well.
- 1:23Speaker 1: We talked a little bit before the podcast started. Uh,
- 1:26Speaker 1: New York media can be a strange thing, um, and
- 1:31Speaker 1: the New York market can be a different place. You
- 1:34Speaker 1: talked to players who have played it. Um, some guys
- 1:37Speaker 1: embrace and some guys don't love it that much. Uh.
- 1:40Speaker 1: Was it a good thing for you to get a
- 1:42Speaker 1: fresh start? Was that appealing about free agency to you? Um? Definitely. Uh.
- 1:47Speaker 1: You know, I I the last five years in New
- 1:49Speaker 1: York was or a blessing. Oh yeah. I grew up
- 1:52Speaker 1: a lot, um, and uh learned a lot, Like you said,
- 1:56Speaker 1: grew up a lot, And I met a lot of
- 1:58Speaker 1: amazing people and and and and a lot of amazing relationships.
- 2:01Speaker 1: So UM, I wouldn't I wouldn't change anything. But you know,
- 2:05Speaker 1: coming down here, um, the Florida sun um, and then
- 2:08Speaker 1: just the just the people in this building. I can't
- 2:11Speaker 1: say enough how great they've been, from from the coaching
- 2:14Speaker 1: staff all the way down to the custodians. Um, it's
- 2:16Speaker 1: been amazing so um and I'm really looking forward to,
- 2:19Speaker 1: you know, building the relationships here as well, um, and
- 2:23Speaker 1: putting a good product on the field and keeping everybody excited,
- 2:26Speaker 1: I uh fascinated by. As a free agent, you have
- 2:31Speaker 1: to sign a one year deal, which is basically saying
- 2:35Speaker 1: I'm gonna gamble on myself. I believe in my ability
- 2:38Speaker 1: and I believe I can do more than I've done
- 2:40Speaker 1: so far. Was that your approach and tell me about
- 2:43Speaker 1: the details that went into that of saying, Hey, I
- 2:45Speaker 1: want to do this for a year and then see
- 2:47Speaker 1: what my market value is next. Yeah, definitely. Um, you
- 2:50Speaker 1: know the fridge, See, it was it was my first
- 2:52Speaker 1: time and it was it was a wild experience. Um yeah,
- 2:56Speaker 1: it's it was. It was a lot of adjusting and
- 2:59Speaker 1: a lot of uh trying not to think that much.
- 3:01Speaker 1: But um, like I said, it's it's been a blessing
- 3:04Speaker 1: and everything happens for a reason, and I think I'm
- 3:06Speaker 1: here for a reason. And um, the one year deal
- 3:09Speaker 1: is definitely it's a it's a bet bet on myself,
- 3:11Speaker 1: um man. I just I saw the situation. I saw
- 3:15Speaker 1: Doug and the staff he put together and the history
- 3:17Speaker 1: he's had with tight ends, and UM type of tight
- 3:20Speaker 1: ends like myself, have been really successful in his systems.
- 3:23Speaker 1: And I'm getting to know him more and getting to
- 3:25Speaker 1: know his philosophies and even getting in the offense. UM.
- 3:28Speaker 1: I couldn't be any more happier with my decision. And
- 3:32Speaker 1: like I said, just the people that are here, UM,
- 3:34Speaker 1: in the in the locker room. UM, it's a great
- 3:36Speaker 1: um attitude and a great environment for me to come
- 3:39Speaker 1: in and continue to work every single day, improve myself
- 3:42Speaker 1: each and every day I'm in. All the work we're
- 3:44Speaker 1: putting in, All the work on putting in, UM is
- 3:46Speaker 1: gonna show up on Sundays. It's interesting you brought up
- 3:49Speaker 1: Doug and that was a thing you hit on when
- 3:52Speaker 1: you first signed at your into a press conference, and
- 3:55Speaker 1: I'm curious you brought it up again today. Uh, that's
- 3:59Speaker 1: a big deal to you. Him being here. Did you
- 4:03Speaker 1: watch his offenses in Philadelphia from across the field and say, hey,
- 4:06Speaker 1: I like that? Uh how much is that a factor
- 4:10Speaker 1: for you? It was huge. I mean the Eagles were
- 4:12Speaker 1: in the division for four of the years. UM. I
- 4:15Speaker 1: was there. Man, I definitely see a lot of myself
- 4:19Speaker 1: and the guy like zach Ertz. UM. You know he's UM,
- 4:22Speaker 1: he's a physical and strong guy, but UM, he's definitely
- 4:24Speaker 1: a more receiving tight end. And UM just the way
- 4:27Speaker 1: he was used, the way he was moving moved around
- 4:29Speaker 1: on the field. UM, the relationships I can see across
- 4:33Speaker 1: the further relationships he had with quarterback. UM, and just
- 4:36Speaker 1: Trevor being here as well, and UM seeing Doug over
- 4:39Speaker 1: the years, and obviously Zack's numbers UM through his duck
- 4:44Speaker 1: stint there was record breaking. So UM, I definitely saw
- 4:48Speaker 1: that as a huge opportunity and UM and UH that
- 4:52Speaker 1: that went, that was a big factor in my decision.
- 4:54Speaker 1: And UM, so far it's it's looking looking really well now,
- 4:58Speaker 1: it seems and gave me trying to give away too much.
- 5:01Speaker 1: We're in Mace or we're in June's you wanna tell
- 5:04Speaker 1: what the game plan is, but just the eye test.
- 5:08Speaker 1: You've got to be pretty aware out there, pretty deep
- 5:12Speaker 1: in the offense because you're lining up all over the place,
- 5:15Speaker 1: I mean, and that has to be an advantage. Is
- 5:19Speaker 1: that fun? Is that something you've done to that extent before? UM, Yeah,
- 5:23Speaker 1: I've I've always been a chess piece. UM in the offenses.
- 5:26Speaker 1: I've been in and UM, but I wouldn't. I would
- 5:29Speaker 1: say to this extent is probably um the most important
- 5:33Speaker 1: offense I've been into where I should I have to
- 5:35Speaker 1: know all the positions because one, me knowing all the
- 5:38Speaker 1: position is going to help the team and help the
- 5:39Speaker 1: offense succeed. And um, and I probably myself on and
- 5:43Speaker 1: being uh really well and doing a really well job
- 5:46Speaker 1: at the things they asked me to do, and and
- 5:48Speaker 1: learning and getting better to things that you know, I'm
- 5:50Speaker 1: not as good at. So that's that's probably rule number one,
- 5:53Speaker 1: is learning all the positions. Um. It's it's been a
- 5:56Speaker 1: challenge looking at these plays they're installing, and it's it's
- 5:59Speaker 1: my to know every single position because we have so
- 6:02Speaker 1: many pieces on this offense. Everybody can't play musical chairs
- 6:06Speaker 1: and uh, and it's it's definitely a huge, um, huge
- 6:10Speaker 1: point for myself to you know, to dive in the
- 6:12Speaker 1: playbook and know all the schemes and know while we're
- 6:15Speaker 1: running them, and know the type of defenses we're trying
- 6:17Speaker 1: to influence. UM, So that that's just gonna be advantage
- 6:21Speaker 1: for myself when we come in the game time and
- 6:23Speaker 1: start game playing against other teams. Now I'm sure you've
- 6:26Speaker 1: got a new Marcus Pollard a little bit. I covered
- 6:28Speaker 1: him in Indianapolis and always used to joke with him
- 6:31Speaker 1: that he blocked when he was absolutely told the block,
- 6:34Speaker 1: and I didn't do it that willingly. And I'm I'm joking.
- 6:37Speaker 1: He was, fine, what's your approach to block? It's I
- 6:41Speaker 1: take prod in that I take probably you know, I
- 6:44Speaker 1: kind of got a chip on my shoulder coming in
- 6:45Speaker 1: the league. Um. You know, everybody kind of had that
- 6:48Speaker 1: knock against me, and in the offense I was in
- 6:50Speaker 1: in college, I didn't do it that much. Was more
- 6:53Speaker 1: of a kind of receiver blocking more than a true
- 6:57Speaker 1: tight end. So um that that's always been a chip
- 6:59Speaker 1: on my older And I know I'm not the biggest
- 7:01Speaker 1: for the strongest, but I know my willingness to to
- 7:04Speaker 1: get my nose in there and get the job done.
- 7:07Speaker 1: Um and uh, I got some pancakes through my career
- 7:10Speaker 1: that I take pride and so U maybe have to
- 7:12Speaker 1: pull pull up some film on those one day. But um,
- 7:15Speaker 1: you know, I'm just a guy that's gonna do whatever
- 7:17Speaker 1: I'm asked at the highest level. Um, and uh, I'm
- 7:20Speaker 1: gonna do everything I can to get better at the
- 7:22Speaker 1: things they asked me to do that I might not
- 7:23Speaker 1: be well at. And there's so many small little technique
- 7:26Speaker 1: things and um, small nuances that that go into the
- 7:29Speaker 1: ring game, especially at the Talian position. So um, even
- 7:33Speaker 1: just going back to you know, talking about all the
- 7:35Speaker 1: schemes and all the past stuff. Um, you know, a
- 7:37Speaker 1: big part of the tight end is to know and
- 7:39Speaker 1: be on the same page with the offensive on too,
- 7:41Speaker 1: so a communication knowing all the nuances and the technique.
- 7:44Speaker 1: And there also is a dog mentality that that I
- 7:47Speaker 1: kind of have built over the years that I take
- 7:49Speaker 1: in the Sundays and even the Prattice blocking all the
- 7:52Speaker 1: big guys. It sounds like you follow you know, some
- 7:56Speaker 1: players really follow the game. Some players don't. Uh, it's
- 7:59Speaker 1: really sound like you study other players, try to see
- 8:02Speaker 1: what you can get from guys. Um any tight ends
- 8:05Speaker 1: you particularly admire, try to take things from anybody along
- 8:09Speaker 1: those lines. Yeah. No, I mean I'm a huge fan
- 8:12Speaker 1: of the game and even a bigger fan of the position. Um,
- 8:14Speaker 1: and it's definitely evolving to um, you know the type
- 8:17Speaker 1: of player I am at the position. So I know,
- 8:20Speaker 1: Jordan Reid was probably my favorite guy coming when I
- 8:22Speaker 1: came out I watched a lot of Jordan Reef firm
- 8:24Speaker 1: him in Washington. It's funny a lot of tight ends
- 8:27Speaker 1: mentioned him. He's not like, he's not necessarily a guy
- 8:29Speaker 1: that fans talk about a lot. But his techniques, I
- 8:33Speaker 1: mean he was, I mean he was. He was a
- 8:35Speaker 1: lot bigger than people you know remember him as. But
- 8:38Speaker 1: I mean just his his his fluidness and his routes,
- 8:40Speaker 1: the way he set up defenders. Um. Um, his elusiveness
- 8:44Speaker 1: even naturally catch was was something fascinating to see. Um.
- 8:47Speaker 1: So I love Jordan Reef film. Zach Ertz is another
- 8:49Speaker 1: guy that's that's very intriguing to watch. And you learn
- 8:52Speaker 1: from a lot of things. And you got the Travis Kelsey,
- 8:54Speaker 1: You've got the George Kittles and um even even uh
- 8:57Speaker 1: I got I got Shannon Sharp on my YouTube search
- 8:59Speaker 1: for from some things back in the day. He was
- 9:02Speaker 1: probably the real pioneer of the receiving tight end. But
- 9:04Speaker 1: he was also very physical as well too. So, um,
- 9:07Speaker 1: you have a big fan of the position, and um,
- 9:09Speaker 1: there's there's things I can learn from everybody. Um and
- 9:12Speaker 1: uh during the season, you know, now we've got social
- 9:14Speaker 1: media and all this stuff, so you're seeing all the
- 9:16Speaker 1: highlights and all the big plays, and um, so big
- 9:19Speaker 1: fan of big fan of the game, but even the
- 9:21Speaker 1: bigger fan of the position, I try to try to
- 9:23Speaker 1: emulate and add some things to my bag from from
- 9:25Speaker 1: all the grades. How important is it for the tight
- 9:28Speaker 1: end for you, for the entire tight end room to
- 9:32Speaker 1: be sort of working together and have versatility. It seems like,
- 9:36Speaker 1: you know, there are teams with a Kelsey where it
- 9:38Speaker 1: just seems like it's just him, but it's really not.
- 9:41Speaker 1: You have to have some versatility at the position with
- 9:43Speaker 1: the entire room correct, Well, yeah, definitely, and even you
- 9:47Speaker 1: know when the harp on Matt Doug's offense is a
- 9:50Speaker 1: big two set tight end even get some thirteen personnel,
- 9:53Speaker 1: so um, every everybody is is uh, it has to
- 9:57Speaker 1: be kind of tighten it because we're gonna be asked
- 9:59Speaker 1: to do a lot of things doing it together. So um,
- 10:02Speaker 1: just even our room now, um is awesome. And those guys,
- 10:06Speaker 1: most three of the guys were here last year and
- 10:08Speaker 1: they've welcomed me in and we're already building a great
- 10:10Speaker 1: relationship and just showing up on the field. Tell me, um,
- 10:15Speaker 1: your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence in February. And now what
- 10:21Speaker 1: did you know about him and what have you learned
- 10:23Speaker 1: about him? Um? Yeah, I've all Washington College. That's that's
- 10:27Speaker 1: the most I've known about him. And UM, I know
- 10:30Speaker 1: he know he went through a lot last year and
- 10:32Speaker 1: um if as from afar, UM he looked like a
- 10:35Speaker 1: true professional in year one. UM and and every every
- 10:38Speaker 1: time there was a jazz games on TV or you
- 10:41Speaker 1: see the highlights, UM, every week he's fighting his butt off,
- 10:44Speaker 1: he's putting his putting his body on the line, and
- 10:46Speaker 1: he's making elite level throws. UM even the midst of
- 10:50Speaker 1: all the things that you know he experienced so UM
- 10:53Speaker 1: outside looking in, he was like he was looked like
- 10:56Speaker 1: a true competitor UM in in the in the leader
- 10:59Speaker 1: and the captain. UM. And now getting to know him, UM,
- 11:02Speaker 1: just how young he is and how talented he is
- 11:04Speaker 1: and how um on Q he is with all the
- 11:06Speaker 1: small details and you know, building that relationship and have
- 11:09Speaker 1: those conversations, doing things that you know, make sure that
- 11:12Speaker 1: we're on the same page and UM and trying to
- 11:15Speaker 1: make him look as best as possible. UM. It's it's
- 11:18Speaker 1: been awesome to get to know him and UM and
- 11:20Speaker 1: to see his leadership qualities that that's that's a big thing,
- 11:23Speaker 1: you know, coming into a locker room at that position. Um,
- 11:26Speaker 1: if you're you know, you can be a quiet guy
- 11:29Speaker 1: or or allowed leader or a vocal guy no matter what.
- 11:32Speaker 1: Everybody's looking to him. And UH have nothing but great
- 11:36Speaker 1: things to say so far. And UM he's he's a
- 11:38Speaker 1: great dude, a great friend. We're becoming really close. And
- 11:41Speaker 1: UM we really excited, you know, to make a lot
- 11:43Speaker 1: of players with him this season. Why h good question. Uh,
- 11:49Speaker 1: So I was I was giving that number in college,
- 11:52Speaker 1: um and Uh. I did not like it at first.
- 11:55Speaker 1: I was not happy. I showed up on campus and
- 11:57Speaker 1: I wanted number one. But we actually signed a guy
- 11:59Speaker 1: in the in the Quantret Will, who was a number one.
- 12:02Speaker 1: Obviously we're in the nation, so he won the number one.
- 12:05Speaker 1: So so yeah, he got that one set. So they
- 12:08Speaker 1: handed me seventeen. And I did not like it one bit,
- 12:11Speaker 1: but you know, I embraced it, um and I and
- 12:14Speaker 1: I had a great college career. I had the most
- 12:16Speaker 1: fun on football field I've ever had. And um and
- 12:19Speaker 1: I had number eighty eight. UM in in uh in
- 12:21Speaker 1: New York. And they came out with the rule before
- 12:24Speaker 1: last year or a new change where players can wear
- 12:27Speaker 1: a single digit or skill players can wear single digit
- 12:29Speaker 1: or whatever double digit they wanted. And um, on my
- 12:33Speaker 1: little initiation here, my first day in I talked to
- 12:35Speaker 1: the equipment guys and I'm like, if you can, if
- 12:38Speaker 1: you can put seventeen in my locker, that that'd be
- 12:40Speaker 1: a blessing and uh and they actually Jacks actually posted
- 12:44Speaker 1: a graphic of all the new guys as Jersey And
- 12:48Speaker 1: when the seventeen popped up, I didn't, I didn't even know.
- 12:52Speaker 1: I found out Instagram. I'm I'm just opened up Instagram
- 12:55Speaker 1: and the first post was seventeen with my last name
- 12:58Speaker 1: on the back. Social media and haven't liked what you saw?
- 13:02Speaker 1: That was a good one. That this was a good one.
- 13:04Speaker 1: This is a good one. So um it was. It
- 13:07Speaker 1: was a special number for me in college and even
- 13:08Speaker 1: the old miss I went, I've been back through the
- 13:11Speaker 1: years and still see seventeen seas in the grove and
- 13:14Speaker 1: um and uh, I had a lot of fun that number.
- 13:17Speaker 1: So trying to continue that tradition with seventeen have a
- 13:20Speaker 1: lot of fun in Duvall. That's very cool. The last
- 13:23Speaker 1: thing we do here is we call it the Zone five.
- 13:30Speaker 1: It's just five quick fun questions, try to get you
- 13:32Speaker 1: to know you a little bit. Evan Ingram, what was
- 13:35Speaker 1: your last binge watch? Last beinge watch? Ozark? What was
- 13:39Speaker 1: the best binge watch You've ever seen? Best binge watch
- 13:42Speaker 1: I've ever seen? I have to say it was Arc
- 13:47Speaker 1: Came Bad is not bad, but that's not the best.
- 13:49Speaker 1: I have to say breaking bad. I'm been breaking bad
- 13:53Speaker 1: right now. I've never been a fan. I always resisted
- 13:55Speaker 1: it for some reason. You gotta get through. You gotta
- 13:57Speaker 1: get through the first like five or four or five. Yeah,
- 14:00Speaker 1: That's what I felt it. Then it gets gone. I'm
- 14:03Speaker 1: into five now and season four is pretty solid. Now
- 14:06Speaker 1: Season four is pretty solid. Yeah, I was the last
- 14:09Speaker 1: song you listened to on your way in this morning?
- 14:12Speaker 1: I actually, uh actually uh listen to some Beethoven this morning. Yeah,
- 14:18Speaker 1: I mean diving into the meditation and um, the mental
- 14:22Speaker 1: space and um. I started I started this offseason and
- 14:27Speaker 1: it's it's helping out my creativity. There's a lot of
- 14:30Speaker 1: creativity and route running. So I'm taking pride, you know,
- 14:32Speaker 1: being one of the best route runners. So I had
- 14:35Speaker 1: some Beethoven bumping this morning. The way are you? Are
- 14:39Speaker 1: you symphony focused h Snoian, Where's yours? So they actually
- 14:43Speaker 1: had this heroic album on the Apple Music to where
- 14:47Speaker 1: um it's all his best pizza pieces, but they have
- 14:50Speaker 1: that that Batman, that Superman, that Spider Man like heroic.
- 14:55Speaker 1: UM kind of toned to it, so it's not it's
- 14:57Speaker 1: not as soothing as I mean, it's still very soothing,
- 15:01Speaker 1: but um, it kind of gets my blood pump a
- 15:03Speaker 1: little more. I kind of imagine, you know, there's more
- 15:05Speaker 1: blood pumping there in data and there is soothing. What's
- 15:10Speaker 1: your best football man? My best football memory? Um, probably
- 15:16Speaker 1: my first touchdown ever score I was. I was always
- 15:20Speaker 1: a kind of big, chubby kid in my first couple
- 15:23Speaker 1: of years playing, so I was always on the offensive line.
- 15:26Speaker 1: I had to block and I hit a little gross
- 15:28Speaker 1: spurt one summer I think I was maybe third third grade,
- 15:32Speaker 1: and uh, we had a QB QB sneak around the
- 15:36Speaker 1: left side and just ran down the sideline for the
- 15:38Speaker 1: first time in my life across that end zone. It
- 15:41Speaker 1: was it was when you were the QB. I was
- 15:43Speaker 1: a quite bad I was quarterback and it it set
- 15:45Speaker 1: the hook. From that moment on, I knew I had
- 15:48Speaker 1: to be a football player. Growing up, got you sport
- 15:52Speaker 1: other than football that you would have played. I had
- 15:56Speaker 1: to be hooped. I had to hoop's. My sister was
- 15:59Speaker 1: a she's Yeah, she went to Georgia. She was the
- 16:02Speaker 1: main actee of the family. So um, always always be here.
- 16:07Speaker 1: But and whooped her up in the driveway. And I
- 16:09Speaker 1: kind of take credit for her success. So um, she
- 16:12Speaker 1: used to go like she used to play me and
- 16:14Speaker 1: lose and then go to the basketball games to dominate.
- 16:16Speaker 1: So but big, big fan of the game. I love
- 16:20Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs and March Madness. And I'm not I'm
- 16:23Speaker 1: not that good. I'm not that good. I can I
- 16:26Speaker 1: can shoot a little bit, I can get rebounds to
- 16:28Speaker 1: play defense, but that's a boy it. But you might
- 16:31Speaker 1: be the first NFL player he's ever told me that
- 16:34Speaker 1: they weren't great. Yeah, I'm a realist. Okay, I'm a realist.
- 16:39Speaker 1: So I can get out there that I could be
- 16:40Speaker 1: probably one of the best of your team. They think
- 16:42Speaker 1: they should be playing in the league. Yeah, no that now,
- 16:47Speaker 1: we'll let them have that. We'll let him think that.
- 16:48Speaker 1: But no, no, shot, who's the person most responsible for
- 16:53Speaker 1: you being MH in your life? I'll probably say my my,
- 16:58Speaker 1: my mom, my dad, my Sirsty, the support and uh,
- 17:03Speaker 1: just the honesty they've always been with this, the sacrifice
- 17:07Speaker 1: that they made. My mom used to drive literally around
- 17:10Speaker 1: the country and make my sister and dad my sister
- 17:12Speaker 1: and myself my games. My dad always coached us. He
- 17:17Speaker 1: was my football coach and he was my sister's basketball coach.
- 17:19Speaker 1: And um, it was it wasn't always. It was always
- 17:23Speaker 1: a real tough love relationship. And UM, I think that
- 17:26Speaker 1: really molding my mentality and my attitude and um and
- 17:30Speaker 1: they raised me to be a humble, humble man that
- 17:33Speaker 1: a guy fearing man as well. So UM, I definitely
- 17:36Speaker 1: no shot I would be even be in this chair
- 17:37Speaker 1: talking to me without those two if Amram, I appreciate
- 17:40Speaker 1: you opening up and letting fans get to know you
- 17:43Speaker 1: a little bit. Ain't they're gonna enjoy this. I can't
- 17:45Speaker 1: thank you enough for being again some the other down
- 17:47Speaker 1: podcast that it was it was a hunger. I appreciate it.