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“I grew up a lot, real quick.” | Ellen Roth joins our team

Lionel and Jim start with an abortive return to the horrors of AI and pivot to talk about a new book Lionel is enjoying about the Osage tribe in the 1920s when we get a surprise call from Ellen, who will be helping out with running the podcast in the future. The three of us talk about her experiences in Ecuador, cartoons she’s watching with her daughter, notably My Little Pony, and talk about our process going forward.

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