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True Stories From SAS Selection | Des Powell · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 4: Pleasure made absolute pleasure. We're here. Last time we talked
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  Speaker 4: about your first book, which was the Bravo three zero
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  Speaker 4: and that was the story of your patrol alongside Bravo.
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  Speaker 4: Was it Bravo five zero? I can't remember that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it was, yeah, Bravo two zero. Yeah, Andy's Patrol, that
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  Speaker 4: was right. So yeah, yes, and congratulations on your latest book,
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  Speaker 4: says Trial by Fire, in which you don't just tell
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  Speaker 4: us your fascinating journey through the military, but also the
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  Speaker 4: skills that you use on a daily basis now that
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  Speaker 4: that you that you learn from all your training.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the publishing company got in touch with I said, Dad,
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  Speaker 3: we'd like to go for a second time around, which
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  Speaker 3: which I thought was nice. It's nice to be invited
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  Speaker 3: to about you again into Chris and they started to
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  Speaker 3: talk about personal development book. I said, well, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do that. I said, I've got a slightly different
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  Speaker 3: bent on it. I said, what I'd like to do
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  Speaker 3: is tells all stories of me being in the regiment
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  Speaker 3: and how I got there in power Ridge, and then
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to talk about maybe lessons learned and some
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  Speaker 3: of the things that are still used today. And went, oh,
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  Speaker 3: were like the idea that that so, so hence the
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  Speaker 3: second books come out. We is going it comes out
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  Speaker 3: fifth of Jill, which is next Thursday. We are having
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  Speaker 3: a book launch at the National Army Museum in London
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to be given a talk down there,
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  Speaker 3: so if anybody wants to come along, and're welcome to come.
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  Speaker 3: But yes, I'm very pleased about this. I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: anybody has told me that I'd be joining the Army,
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  Speaker 3: joining the Paris, joining the SAS and then writing toolbook
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  Speaker 3: ad that not?
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  Speaker 2: That don't sound like me? Yeah, so I'm pleased. I'm
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  Speaker 2: very pleased.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Well, we we all come from humble beginnings, don't we.
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  Speaker 4: And it's funny where the great adventure of life takes us.
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  Speaker 4: The why do you think that people have this? It's
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  Speaker 4: not even just youngsters, is it? People have this yearning
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  Speaker 4: to sort of seek the knowledge from people that have
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  Speaker 4: been in the forces, particularly elite forces and particularly special forces.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think possibly there's some sort of they see
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  Speaker 4: they see them as role models.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're it.
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  Speaker 3: And I know when I towron the country and of
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  Speaker 3: the talks, people always tend to talk about this subject
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  Speaker 3: like how hard was it to get in the regiment?
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  Speaker 3: How hard was it when I was in the regiment?
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  Speaker 3: The lifestyle and they started to talk about this set
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  Speaker 3: mindset nowadays. And I know I've talked to from corporate
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  Speaker 3: firms and they seem to feel that there's a success
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  Speaker 3: format there. And I think, yes, if us in the
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  Speaker 3: armed force has been in let's say, difficult situations, streadful situations,
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  Speaker 3: well then we seem to because of that experience, we
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  Speaker 3: seem to have some of the answer though of that
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  Speaker 3: is what I think people seem to think. So therefar
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  Speaker 3: I'm always asked all the time, what is your opinion
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  Speaker 3: on this? How did you do that? Did you find
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  Speaker 3: it hard? And if it was hard, how did you
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  Speaker 3: get through it? So, yes, they think to be this
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  Speaker 3: mindset now. And I think in the armed forces the
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  Speaker 3: personal development side is just normal for us. I mean
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  Speaker 3: when people talk to me about personal development in the military,
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  Speaker 3: it's very pragmatic and you do it on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you get up in the morning, you think
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  Speaker 3: about the money, You think about it next week, next month,
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  Speaker 3: next year. In fact, it is two.
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  Speaker 2: Year increments generally in the military into Chris, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And so you're always planning, you're always organizing, you're always
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  Speaker 3: setting either goals or intentions. You're always moving forward. There's
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  Speaker 3: a practical side to it, which I like about the military.
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  Speaker 3: And generally you put into difficult situations Chris, but you're
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  Speaker 3: expect to have a positive outcome. So I think that
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  Speaker 3: in itself creates a certain type of animal. And I
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  Speaker 3: think then you've touched on it there about special forces mindset,
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  Speaker 3: and I think there's special forces in particular, are in
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  Speaker 3: most of time, are in difficult situations, dangerous situations, threatful situations.
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  Speaker 3: I mean joining the essays. You know, he said you're
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  Speaker 3: on the camp. You know, they have a selection process
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  Speaker 3: which brings you through because they need a certain type
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  Speaker 3: of individual that can respond to a certain stimuli left
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  Speaker 3: basics in the esses.
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  Speaker 2: Everything you do.
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  Speaker 3: Is going to be stressful, so they need a certain
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  Speaker 3: talk of individual. And I think with these experiences you
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  Speaker 3: have a certain mindset that the about Chris, answering your question.
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  Speaker 3: Wherever I go, I'm always asked in my opinion, and
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  Speaker 3: I always feel very humbled when they asked me my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: you know, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is always great. And I'm talking to this corporate people.
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  Speaker 3: I did a talk down in London last year, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking to lawyers and bankers and solicitors and they're
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  Speaker 3: asking me what the silset aumat is for their company,
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  Speaker 3: and what I do. I say, I give them a
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  Speaker 3: lesser experience. I might have been to that country, I
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  Speaker 3: might have done this particular thing. I tell them what
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  Speaker 3: the story is about, and it's generally stressful, and then
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  Speaker 3: I said this is how I went about it. And
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  Speaker 3: it's always certain things that have similarities, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: people go, oh, yeah, you know, I remember feeling like that.
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  Speaker 3: So I think answering your question a long windedly, Chris,
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  Speaker 3: is that I think we have these experiences through stressful
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  Speaker 3: situations that we're able to bring to civilian street if
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  Speaker 3: you like, and also to corporate organizations, and obvioubly there
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  Speaker 3: may be a success format there that could help them.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I use things even today that I kind
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  Speaker 3: of learned when I was in the Paris and when
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  Speaker 3: I was in the regiment, and even when I got
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  Speaker 3: out and I worked on the circuit, when I was
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  Speaker 3: working with media teams out in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libera and
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  Speaker 3: their lives, and I found that it held me in
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  Speaker 3: good stead all the time. Put it this way, I'm
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  Speaker 3: still here today, Chris, I'm I'm still alive, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: still alive on kicking there.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, still handsome, still puting the birds.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 3: But it's nice, Chase. You know, look someone like you're
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  Speaker 3: getting on the shore and ask me my opinion. I
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  Speaker 3: always feel humble, and it's great when you know. I
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  Speaker 3: get sold many a time. Gets what do you think
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  Speaker 3: on this? What you're bent on this? How did you
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  Speaker 3: go about that? You know?
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  Speaker 2: And it's not that thing.
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  Speaker 3: How's the military? We're I've got the millions that I
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  Speaker 3: get told to get them. And sorry, I don't mean
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  Speaker 3: that's a derogative term. Or then the military we always
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  Speaker 3: have military is that when I'm talking to two people
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  Speaker 3: out there, is that they're asking my opinion, and and
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  Speaker 3: I like it that they're respecting that I was in
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  Speaker 3: the military. And it's good to see the amount of
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  Speaker 3: respect there is given towards how military personnel, especially the
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  Speaker 3: regiment itself. And I think that's great to see and
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  Speaker 3: and and for me, you know, I can't be any
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  Speaker 3: more happy and that people are giving that respect to
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  Speaker 3: the regiment itself.
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  Speaker 4: The Yeah, it's interesting. I think one of the things
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  Speaker 4: that sets I'm going to say us, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: to join of Paris or to join the Marines, there
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  Speaker 4: is a whole psychological thing going on there. Not that
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  Speaker 4: not disparaging to the other forces, not in any way whatsoever,
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  Speaker 4: but when you go down the recruiting office for the
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  Speaker 4: Powers of the Marines, you know you're going to undergo
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  Speaker 4: the toughest infantry training on the planet, and there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of pressure on a teenager. And I think one
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  Speaker 4: of the things that sets us apart is a yearning
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  Speaker 4: for knowledge Dez to have this you know, multi colored experience,
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  Speaker 4: holistic experience of life, and this is why you know
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  Speaker 4: like I do that you meet people in the forces,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, some guys are like they're like mountain
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  Speaker 4: bike professionals. Other guys that try they're playing the violin,
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  Speaker 4: all this weird stuff you'd never think of elite elite forces.
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  Speaker 4: And I say it to people on my podcast, don't
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  Speaker 4: just watch the one that fit your narrative of life,
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  Speaker 4: watch all of them, because that's where I started a show,
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  Speaker 4: so I could get everybody on, and I'm learning all
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  Speaker 4: the time from everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Doys.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it might be someone I don't particularly really
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  Speaker 4: value their views or whatever, but I think you probably
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  Speaker 4: found this with you speaking. You can tell people what
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  Speaker 4: to do and how to smash life, and how to
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  Speaker 4: achieve your goal, how to get through the pain barrier,
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  Speaker 4: how to balance your admin. But it's only in what's
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  Speaker 4: in their mind will allow them to do it. Would
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  Speaker 4: you agree?
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  Speaker 3: I fully agree with that, Chris, And you said something
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  Speaker 3: earlier on. People are always asking me about the Paris,
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  Speaker 3: the Marines and other regiments. I can tell your audience
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  Speaker 3: now that we have the best armed forces in the world.
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  Speaker 3: I've worked with many armed forces around the world, and
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  Speaker 3: by the way, this many good ones, but we have
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  Speaker 3: the best and we've got some career regumens. We've got
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  Speaker 3: the engineers. You know, we've got to signal, we've got
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  Speaker 3: the god. I can always gone on Para Edge because
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  Speaker 3: I joined Parage and I know there's a big rivalry
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  Speaker 3: between Para Edge and the Marines, and I think competition
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  Speaker 3: is health there. And yes, you're right. Is that People
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  Speaker 3: always said to me, who do you think is the
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  Speaker 3: best regiment?
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  Speaker 2: Who is the toughest, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: And I anst and honestly out there, I joined the
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  Speaker 3: Paris and I said, for me, it was the regiment.
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  Speaker 2: Says that worked.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed to take my personality and plus, eventually when
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  Speaker 3: I left the Paris and went to the regiment to
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  Speaker 3: the Sas, it kind of gave me that exposure that
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  Speaker 3: I needed that I may have not got from other regiments.
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  Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is is that the
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  Speaker 3: Paris and the Sea still like sit. The regiments start
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  Speaker 3: is that airborne brotherhood. So we both parachute, we both
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  Speaker 3: jump out and aircraft. And I think because of that
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  Speaker 3: in the regiment, I was always told there was at
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  Speaker 3: least fifty parents that have joined the regiment so it
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  Speaker 3: was always more come from Para Edge and joined the SEES.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel simply that it was because of the
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  Speaker 3: Airborne brother And as you know, the regiment is made
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  Speaker 3: up the SAS regiment is made up of many regiments
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  Speaker 3: from the armed forces, okay, which accumulates in to the
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  Speaker 3: SAS itself. So what I said to people is that
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  Speaker 3: I was pleased to joined power Rage. It gave me
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  Speaker 3: that exposure and it prepared me, if you like, for
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  Speaker 3: going up to Hereford to the SAS. And what I
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  Speaker 3: mean by that is is that not only did it
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  Speaker 3: met me into an Airborne soldier, but it's it's as
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  Speaker 3: you said there the training for the Marines and the
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  Speaker 3: Paros is generally a bit more grittier. It's a bit
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  Speaker 3: more harder. Their spearhead soldiers, if you like. They generally
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  Speaker 3: in history, these are the soldiers that are putting first,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to hit shop hard, so you have a
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  Speaker 3: hardened time group that can do the business, that can
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  Speaker 3: do the job. So therefore the training is different. And
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  Speaker 3: because of that, I found I was kind of more.
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  Speaker 2: Heard when I went to the SEES, and.
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  Speaker 3: I seem to fit into it and a lot better
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  Speaker 3: because of the airborne element that that kind of brought
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  Speaker 3: it together.
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  Speaker 2: But I always set to them.
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  Speaker 3: I say, it doesn't mean to say that the parents
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  Speaker 3: are better than anybody else. Yes, I used to say that,
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  Speaker 3: and even with the Marina says, you know, once we
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  Speaker 3: get together, we always get arguing.
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  Speaker 2: I've got the best friendums of the marine, and we
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  Speaker 2: have some great bands. Great you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: But he often says to me, he said we was
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  Speaker 3: in any difficulty. He said, we'd be really pleased to
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  Speaker 3: know that there was a company of parents coming to help.
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  Speaker 2: Bizarre, And I said, to be truthful.
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  Speaker 3: After then, the parents, if we know the company of
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  Speaker 3: marines coming to Olpazar as well, we'd be pleased.
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  Speaker 2: So there's that great respect there, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But I agree with everything you say, and I think,
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  Speaker 3: like the parents, like the Marines, like the se s,
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  Speaker 3: it's a certain type of soldier that can deal with
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  Speaker 3: this sort of hardened life.
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  Speaker 2: If you like it.
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  Speaker 3: I always said, it says it on the side of
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  Speaker 3: the can, you're going to be a parrot.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that the careers office. You'd be very good.
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  Speaker 3: John in the parrot and I kind of pose and
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  Speaker 3: I went, did the partner, did they partner air planes.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, but he says, by the time you
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  Speaker 3: jump out in the air the plane, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be ready for it.
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  Speaker 2: He says, I says, you know, are they good? Are
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  Speaker 2: they tough for the Yeah? He goes, oh no.
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  Speaker 3: He says they're about the best in the British Army.
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  Speaker 3: And it was only then he actually says he's probably
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  Speaker 3: someone else and says we were better than them, and
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  Speaker 3: they call them the Essays because over them. He goes,
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  Speaker 3: you don't need to know about them just yet. He says,
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  Speaker 3: he says, life, concentrate on getting you're in the armed forces.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny I'm saying that, Chris, because the feed
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  Speaker 3: had been sown.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And I'm thinking, right, went.
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  Speaker 3: In to the Paris and I heard that it's talk
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  Speaker 3: and he jump out aircraft and they can run ten
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  Speaker 3: miles with forty fifty pounds on the back. And now
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  Speaker 3: that is someone else which might be better, might be tough.
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  Speaker 3: So the seed was sown, if you like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: But no, I agree with what you said. I think
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  Speaker 3: we are sort of the best armedforces, great regiments, proud
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  Speaker 3: to be in the Paris as you are. Proud to
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  Speaker 3: be in the Marines, and obviously extra proud to be
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  Speaker 3: in the se S. And I feel, Chris, that if
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  Speaker 3: I had gone into Paris, I might not have had
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  Speaker 3: the exposure, the pusher for you, like the encouragement in
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  Speaker 3: your like to go to the se S. I feel
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  Speaker 3: I might not have joined.
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  Speaker 4: I thought I was in the Powers days. It got
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  Speaker 4: all the way through training and they give me this
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  Speaker 4: green as I was like, I realized I was in
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  Speaker 4: the wrong place.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, I actually I actually stand the book, Chris,
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  Speaker 3: that I actually wanted to be a marine at first.
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  Speaker 2: I went to the Marine and I did me test
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  Speaker 2: and I.
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  Speaker 3: Failed it, okay, And the guy was great to remember it.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, look, he said, I know you want
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  Speaker 3: to get in the armed forces. He says, you'll have
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  Speaker 3: to come back in six months, you know, and under
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  Speaker 3: the test again. I think they needed a certain gap.
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  Speaker 3: But he used to come back. But he said, why
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  Speaker 3: don't you have a chat with my colleague And he
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  Speaker 3: says he's in the army. And he says, I think
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  Speaker 3: you're jumping at the bit you want to get in,
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  Speaker 3: don't He goes, yeah, of course, then that story come
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  Speaker 3: about where he says oh you know, I think you
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  Speaker 3: might be good in the Paris like you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean, And that's how it come about. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm pleased to follow that journey, especially Chris. I
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  Speaker 3: never thought I was going to join the unforces, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Alice saw when I was fifteen, you know, which is
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  Speaker 3: the ridiculous age. You know, no education, no nothing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: first job I had was sacking shelves in a thumper market,
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  Speaker 3: you know. But I had the common sense to know, Chris,
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  Speaker 3: that someday I need to get educated because I've got
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  Speaker 3: no education. But by the way, when I left Girl
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  Speaker 3: at fifteen, I was the last one or that was
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  Speaker 3: the last intake that ever left Girl at fifteen. You
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  Speaker 3: have to be sixteen the year after. And I remember thinking,
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  Speaker 3: then what the hell am I going to do? Got
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  Speaker 3: no education? You know, was growing up in Sheffield. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of people were going down the pits then all
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  Speaker 3: the steel works, you know, and I thought, well, antim,
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  Speaker 3: I've got education for that. So when I did eventually
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  Speaker 3: come round to that mindset of joining the armed forces,
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  Speaker 3: because people you said, oh so you're heard this and
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  Speaker 3: that and the other. It's the old person that I
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  Speaker 3: used to go, I'm not having nobody shout at me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to have people, you know, tell me
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  Speaker 3: what to do. I'm not going to be marching up
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  Speaker 3: and down the drill square, et cetera. But once I
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  Speaker 3: got older, and once I've got into that mindset, well,
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  Speaker 3: then I realized that my education was going to be
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  Speaker 3: in the Armed forces, and it was going to be
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  Speaker 3: a pragmatic education. And you know, so that that down
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  Speaker 3: to earth common sense approach that the Armed forces are
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  Speaker 3: really suited me down to the ground. I dedicated to
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  Speaker 3: this book to my mom and dad, and I said
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  Speaker 3: to at the beginning, I think, thank my mom and dad.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they passed away and now made the resting peede.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: But they give me this down to earth common sense
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: approach online. And you know I even used that today, Chris.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And I remember back then thinking, Jo knows, I've got
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: to get educated. I've got to find what am I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: going to do? I can't stab shells on my life. Lookily,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I joined the Armed Forces. The parents pictured me like
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: handing club. I had this pragmatic lifestyle, and then I
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: went from stone to strength. I actually found a group.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: It was the Round Peg in the Round or that
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: did it for me, Chris, and luckily I had a
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: successful career.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll come on and chat about that. I just
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: want to say a couple of things for our friends
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: out there. First of all, this isn't just an army
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: barmy chat, folks. I want to get some good life
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: lessons out of DES. And I also want to relate
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: it to people watching who might be lost in their
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: life like I was when I was a teenager, who
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: might be trying to find that kernel of self belief
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: within them. But before I do that, I just want
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: to say that a shout out to a couple of
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: people with two of the most professional olders I've had
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the pleasure of meeting DES. Both come from the RAF Regiment.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: One is the wonderful Bob Shepherd, who I'm sure you've
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: you've crossed pals with Bob Sheppard. Yeah, first person, first
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: person from the Rath Regiment to join the sa S
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and this was a long time ago, folks. Before you
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: jump on your keyboards and say, oh, no he's not, Yes,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: he was. And the other one is Scouse Taylor, who
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: most people will know from the five Mile of Death
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: in for me, absolutely lovely bloke, and I'll tell you what.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I've speed march with him and is way more professional
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: des than I ever ever. You know, I was, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: was playing at it. When you meet scouse, you realized
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: there's a very very knowledgeable em and I suppose you'd
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: call him. Although they probably call themselves troopers, do they
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: or soldiers?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they call ourselves.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Bad gunners, isn't it gunners?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I think I think it's gunners. I think it's better. No, No,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I mean Bob Shephard. He was already up there when
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I got up there, and you know, he was was
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: great something under his wing. I was in the same
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: squadron as him, and just a lovely guy, very professional
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: and yes he's uh. I actually didn't realize it come
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: from from the the RF regiment, but yeah, a lovely guy.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And there were times, you know, I used to kind
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: of go to him and go, I'm not so surely
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: about it the ball et cetera, cetera. And it was
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: really kind of good, like because you feel have been
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: embarrassed sometimes going and asking somebody old and bold if
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: you like as I used to look at him, and
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: he was always good and he you know, he was
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: always gracious with his time. And then and by the way,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the other guy, I don't know him, the guy who
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: said you mentioned the Scouts, And you know, I've had
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: it proto through to me.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: That's a really.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Good guy, very professional, you know, and he's done a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: great job, you know, up in the RF regiment. I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: don't know, and I know I think on that clippy.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: You know, he's had some slugging for that and what
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: have your books? Are you good thing to buy him?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: So so good for him.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's an outsuit legend. And also you know he's
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: helping to support veteran's mental health. And you get all
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: these keyboard warriors that love to go online and try
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: to destroy other people's mental health. Yes, they don't understand Dez.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: You know that someone like Scouts, he's a true warrior.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: He's there, he's there for you, you know what I mean.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: And he's standing up for the troops that are falling
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: by the wayside. And just like, what are these individuals doing,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: you know, other than trying to create pain and misery? Really,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: but I want to I just want to go back.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I had a sort of epiphanal moment and I'd like
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: to know if you had the same My mate, bet me,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I couldn't join the ral Marines. I was living in
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: a renal twelve at the time, homeless for the second time.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: When he said, well, of course, so I've just joined
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the Marines. We've done this three day potential recruits. Of
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: course it was tough, he said, of course you couldn't
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: do it. Chris, that whoa, that's that was fighting talk
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: where I used to. So I made me self dispect.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: We had a we were having a New Year's Eve party,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I think it was around his house and at midnight
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I just left the party after a little bit worse
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: for wear, and I thought, right, I'm gonna There's a
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: prominent feature on Dartmore called the Rock, right, and it
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: were half a mile from his house, so it would
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: have been a mile up and around the rock. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I thought, if I can't run non stop around there
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: and back, not fast, but without stopping, I'm not going
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: to go and waste the raw Marines time, you know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: And I got halfway and I was ball bag mate,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: you know, I was a smoker. I was hanging out.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Everything in my head was just screaming and stop, stop,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you can stop you can stop this pain, now, can
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: you just walk? And as I thought that, I could
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: see this goal of actually doing something with my life.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And I'm not here. I'm not selling people on the military.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I was living in a car
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: working in a tool hire shop, which actually wasn't a
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: bad job. But before that, no, in fact, I'd become
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: an electrical apprentice, which I hated. Electricians apprentice, crawling around
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: in lost space with all that insulation down my neck,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: and this I could suddenly see, this was a way
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: and this is all for the wrong reasons. But I
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: had I didn't have any support growing. I was always
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: told I was a failure at everything, and something in
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: me does it wouldn't let me stop. Yah, as a
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: picture that recruiting office door slamming in my face. For
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: all your loser, You're giving up again on something, didn't you?
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: You couldn't. I just hung in there, mate, you know, yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: and only a mile. But when I finished it, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: felt different about myself, do you know what I mean?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: And obviously the rest is history. But I'd say that
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: was the first moment as a young man, as an adult,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: albeit a teenage adult, that I took charge of me.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: You know, I did let the noise and the voices
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: of other people dictate my future. Did you have a
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: similar experience during all you know, you've climbed up the
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: hills and everything, And.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think probably I have to go back.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And I've touched on it earlier on a little bit
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: back to my childhood, is that when I left Style
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: at fifteen, is that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I felt a little bit embarrassed because I wasn't educator.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: And I think in Sheffield at that time, in most
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: cities moms and dads is an expectance say that they
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: expect their daughters so eventually leave the hols and start
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: their journey of life. Yeah, and so from my parents
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: is expected said that when I lose school, yeah, I'm
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: going to get jobs and eventually I'm going to move
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: art and start earn money. And then I remember at
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: fifteen the very first job stuck in shelves. Then the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: man my mam had a news agent shop up in
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Sheffield and she knew, she knew the butchert there was
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: a butcher shop up there, and you got me a
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: job at the butcher's. So that was with second job,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: and then I found that a kind of by the way,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I learned a lot from that. I learned about money
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: because not only was I cutting up meat, I was
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: serving it behind the counter, so I was learning about that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I was there for about eighteen months or so, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: then I felt I wanted to get me hans dirty.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: So I went into the center Sheffield and I become
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: in a steel works and I was an amor drive
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: ama driver of these guys that drive a big steam
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: amma and the bash read got ingers down okay, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: they make all sorts of stuff from it. And then
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: from there I went to work at English Skill as
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: proper to repairing, and then I worked on building sites
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and so I found that at each stage I got
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a job, I kind of got more and more experience.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I've got, you know, a bit of money in my pocket.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I could see that my man was pleased, was kind
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: of moving on. And then I went down south and
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the family moved down south, down to Bournemouth and near Pool.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: And it's funny when I look back and it it
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: kind of all come about because I was like doing
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: hot parry and helping brick layers, you know, you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: it's like the bricks and motar and and your and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: and what it worked with down Pool and at lunchtime
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I was having my sandwiches and if I could see
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and I could see the bay these boats, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the ribs. Of course it was probably the fear at
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: that time, definitely marines, and I thought, oh, that looks okay,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I fancy a better that. You know.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I was about I don't know, seventeen an hour to.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Or like that, and and that got me interesting. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: then when I was on the building sites down south,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: used to see the lorries with the Marines on the side.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: So what it is that was in my brain and
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: the you know guys started to know they're the boys.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: You know, it fits, you know this slng deed this
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and what I did like I don't know when I
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: was younger. I tend to like the discipline, the structure.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: When I was a really young lad, I always remember
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: my granddad and my dad. The granddad had been in
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the First World War, my dad had been in National
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Service and I'm one of my seven eight year old
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: and I always felt that, you know, there was this structure,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: there was this order, you know, there was this respect
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: in the household. When you're really young, Chris, you know
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that is it's only two feelings that you get. You're
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: not happy, your sad, and I always remember having a
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: warm feeling of, yeah, these guys have got it, got
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: it covered, you know. I felt I felt that I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: felt safe, if you like. And I think kids quite
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: like that, don't they. So I think maybe the order
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: and the structure and the respect that I saw within
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the family, that mind had been a military type mindset,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: if you like, because I got all I always liked
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: that structure, that structure of order, as I do today.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: You know, I've still got that kind of tidy mindset.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: My girlfriend says, she goes, you know, even your message,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: did you know? And so I I think I was.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I was searching, you know, for this order, this structure,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: this respective you like, but I know I wasn't going
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: to get it unless I was going to work hard.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: And then people kept saying to me all the time,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you begun in the military and the mind have seen this,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know, structure, order, just to plain whatever it were.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And then when I started getting influenced, then when I
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: started to see the military, as in the Marines driving around,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I started to think maybe maybe the military might be
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: for me. So it was a long trick then, because
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: then I started to find out more information. I went
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: to the careers office, ad the Test Church starter, until eventually,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: at nineteen, I joined. I don't think there was any
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: one particular moment.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: That did it for me.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I think I was accumulation of things, and I think
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: as well, I think I didn't want to kind of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: let my parents down. There was this expectancy of me
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: to kind of do something of yourself. And by the way,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: going back to when I was young, is that my
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: granddad died when I was seven, and my dad died
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: when I was not. You go, okay, that happens in families.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: But I kind of always soap back. I thought, well,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: those guys added together, I want to be like them.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So I always thought in my mind, I want to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: be proud. I want to make me parents proud of
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: me sort of things. And I think most kids think
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: like that, Chris don't. Eventually, I think, with all those
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: things happening, what I've just talked about, I think eventually
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: my mind come around and thought, well, I do need
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to get educated, I do need to get a job.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I've got to bring you money at such and such,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: and I might as well do a job that I enjoy.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: And you know, also at miss military life. From what
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I hear of it sounds okay. All I've got to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: do is get over the fear of jumping out in
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: the airplace were I think there wasn't any particular time
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that I can remember like you do. But it was
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: like a build up. It was accumulation things, and so
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: eventually when I joined the military, it was like, ah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: this is what I've been searching for. This is what
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I need. I need such a I need order and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: needs something that I can make a future from. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: can see that it has a depth. I can see
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that I can build, I can go forward. What I
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: did like about the military traice It's pragmatic into it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: You can get your anthony, you can feel it, you
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: feel fit. So you get up in a morning. This
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: all this I keep talking about, this structure, this order,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: this moving forward. I quite like that, and I think
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: it was you know, I keep saying, it's just round
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: pegging around all. Once I got in, I thought, this
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: suits me. This is what I've been searching for. So
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: once I got in, it was like a confirmation. If
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: you like so answering your question, long winded, Let is
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: that it was accumulation things that brought me to that
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: time and want to put pen to paper to join
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: the Paris.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: How mad is it? I remember watching the series on
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: the Telly the Paras and me and my cousin we
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: thought it was hilarious because when they came to do
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the balloon jump there was a black ladder brummy and
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: he interviewed him after it and they said, so, how
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: was it for you? And he went, I was absolutely
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: craping myself, me and my cousin. It was a very
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: early days of video recorders. We just rewound that and
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: rewound it, we watched it. I was absolutely crapping myself.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but how mad is it dead? That when I
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: was watching that, I had no idea I'd be in
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: the military. I didn't come from a military. The only
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: connection in my family was my second cousin, David, did
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: actually join the Marines as a boy soldier and went
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: on to become a colonel Wow and the King's Badgeman.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Which but I didn't really know this, you know, as
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: a young youngster. Yeah, and then lo and be old.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Fast forward a few years and there's me in the
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: doorway of the balloon. Got to do two balloon jumps. Actually,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: well it's funny. It's funny where life takes us.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: But what it says that the balloon jump, you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: for you, for your for your audience, it's really a
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: bottle jump in it. They don't do it anymore. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: you know, cust you get your wings. You know, you've
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: got to do eight jumps, if I remember, and one
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: of them is going to be a night jump.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But I always remember they had a balloon jump.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: You only actually do one, and and it was a
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: bottle jump, and that's what it was.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And I've heard of people kind of refuse.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: And it's difficult when you're in the air it's different
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: end the aircraft because by the time you come to
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: the door, you're more or less out, aren't you, you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And plus you don't see everything until you get to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the door. Under balloon, it's completely different. Since it it's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: going up really slow, you know, you can see everything.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: And then I if I remember online, the RF instructor
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: just lifted up the handle of the door.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: If you, like I said, instead of right, are you ready,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: tweet too? Won't go? You kind of just right jump
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: when you're ready.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Of course I could see guys kind of posing, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: shall I jump, shall or not?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: And it is you's scared, you.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Know, even you know people said to oh, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you must have you know, must be talked to this,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: talk to that, I says, I'm still just as scared,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: you know as anybody else. You know. I don't patachuting
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: for many years, mates, and I think people that don't
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: fear it, you know, I think need to have a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: good talking to themselves. Like, you know, you've got to
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: respect that, you know, the elements, you know, the air,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: the sea, you know, the desert, you know the mountains.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: You've got to respect the elements. And especially in the air.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Things are going to go wrong. They're going to go
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: wrong in a big wacress, aren't they. But yeah, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: remember the early days when I had to, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: do the do the balloon jump. It's basically a bottle
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: jump to thief if you can do it, because they
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: said that if you don't jump out of the.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Balloon, you're not going to jump out of the aircraft.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: When she got Brie, yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: It would be a great thing to buy that balloon
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: and lease it out for stag do's and that sort
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: of stuff.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be. I'll tell you something. I
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: think they get a lot of refusal, an't they.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I yeah, I've always I've always always put a
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: brave face on because that's what being a marine is you,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: you know you my balloon jump, it was me and
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: three we call them baby paras, but that's because they
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: call themselves baby powers. Right, yeah, that's not me being rude.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: So with me and three young young paras in there,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I remember one of them is called Dunpen. He was
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: a nice lad. We were sort of bus mates on
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: that course. And when he's like, right, who's first in
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: the door, I'm right, that's me and uh and I
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: turned around and said, I'll see you boys on the ground.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I got a bollocking for for I got a In fact,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't get a bollocking. The PGAI, the jump instructor
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: was like through, where's through? What do you fucking mean?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: But I've always like taken that attitude because I don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: want to be there getting scared. That would just make
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: the whole thing horrible.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, right, I'm good to go. I'm good,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm going to be first out. I've always
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: been first out of every jump I ever done, the
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: exception of the first skydive, I was first out. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: then when I started doing fun jumping, then it's don't
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: be mat and then does it?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Going back to what you were saying, they want you
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to be scared, don't they. They don't like.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: That way I have overcome this, and then they want
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: you to be scared. You don't like that cock And
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I said, I you don't want you to think your
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: chest out like the Geronimo attitude. Come here you what
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: do you mean animo?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: You know, don't know. I wanted to like that, you know.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And for your audience, I know you're staying in a balloon.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: It's actually a barrage balloon, isn't It's like the old
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: fashion what you used to have in the Second World War.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: So it's got a cradle underneath.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: It leans forward doing it, you feel you're going to
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: fall out, and it don't. You there's a winch to
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: it that winches it up, you know. You know, if
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I remember the words of command, you know, five personal
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: or five parachute? Is it ready for jumping? Eight hundred
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: foot and up it goes don't it. And then when
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: they get up there, the PGA, the patachute jumping structure opens.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: It's not a door, it's just it's just it's just
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a bar in front of your into the stopping you're
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: falling out right, step forward and if you don't jump
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: far enough away from the creedle if you like from
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: from is that you're hit in the back of the
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: parachute on as you jump out, don't you. So you've
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: really got to step out. And as you know, a
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: lot of guys dribble out, don't they. You know, so
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I think you did the right thing. Chris, you know
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the Geronimo. You kind of lead part into it, don't you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: The worst one for me, Dez it is skydiving with
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: a hangover. That oh, I can honestly say that that's
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: the only time I didn't lose my bottle of I
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: still still went out. But I want feeling it, mate,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: You know I was just was not feeling it at all.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I mate, you know, you know you shouldn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: know any jump drinking and they go jumping next.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: To no mate, But I I did my skydiving in Florida.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: This is true story. It's true story. The groundsman of
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the skydiving place, a place called Sebastian. The groundsman used
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: to get all these jumps for free. And whereas everyone
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: would jump out, you know, skydive for a minute, then
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: pull their shoot at what five thousand feet or something,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: this guy would jump out poppy shoot straight away, so
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: hop them hop them pop and then he'd float down
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: for what we would used to go up as ie.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: We went up to fifteen thousand feet once. I remember
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: the pilot said you should really have you know, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: should be on oxygen. You should be on oxygen at
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: this height, guys. And he would then float down and
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: on his webin. He had a leader a tequila like
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: a like a like a big a big drinks cut
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: with a straw, and he just float down drinking his
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: tequila and wherever it was. Yeah, not not recommended, folks,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: but I'm just just saying it did happen.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do an a again, Okay, I
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: don't want to do all again.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: So how has it been making the leap from elite
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: trooper to best selling author.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: It's do you know what? It's been quite enjoyable. I mean,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I said earlier on. I never thought I was going
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to join the enforces. I certainly didn't think I was
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: going to join the Paris I'm almost certain I wasn't
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: going to SES. And then I didn't think I was
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: going to be on the circuit of doing security for
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: celebrities and footballers, and yeah, and then being asked to
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: write a book. Two books, he's been surprisingly enjoyable. And
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: what I mean by that, Chris, is that I like passion.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: You know, anything that I see passion or the work ethics,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I'm on board with it. And I can see the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: people that, especially this particular publishing coming on, we do
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: very very passionately hard working. And of course I always
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: said to him, I used to work with a bunch
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of guys that were very.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Very passionate and hardworking. So whenever I think.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Passion and hard work and work ethics, all the other
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: stuff comes with it. Because at first, when and when
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I was asked to kind of write a book, I
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: didn't note. At first I was approached and they said,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, we think you've got a story,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you know, the Bravel story zero first book. And I said, no,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not bothered. You know, I was I was living
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: out in the Middle East that kind of you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I'd flown out into the sunset, and I was that
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: was it? Living happy ever after? I kind of survived.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I'd been lucky, sort of been dramatic, you know, and
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: I thought, I just want to live my.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Life out here now and just enjoy myself. And I didn't.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: And I've got this kind of full on anonymity if
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: you're like, nobody know where I was at.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I kind of rocked the grid and I really enjoyed it,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I was kind of living just a really nice, relaxed lifestyle,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: plenty of son and away from all the strength. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: then I thought, I don't know whether I liked the
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: idea of I remember when life was a million miles
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: an hour, and I had a vision that it might
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: come back to a million miles an hour again, but no,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: it wasn't. At first, I said, I don't want to
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: do a book. And then I've got good friends around me, Chris,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I said, looks, you know, we know you you're not
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you know, probably don't like the books.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: But that was then, but this is now.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Things have changed and you're being asked and uh, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: so it was nice. I had good friends around it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, why don't you give this a try?
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: So I actually said, I tell you what, I'll do it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: But you know, I want to have kind of I
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: want to do it my way. I want it to
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: be relaxed. I don't want this to be hard. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: want to have fun, you know. So story away, he says,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: bring need some social media because not I don't want
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: social media. I go, I don't want to. I'm not
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: that generation, you know. He said, you need some social
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: media to kind of solve the books and what have you.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: So first I'll tell you I'm not going to run it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: You can have someone else. So luckily at my my
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: storm put is and upset, I tell you what I
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: know all about this, I'll do it. So you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: like today, I can't tell you what's on there. He
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: just tells me, like next week the book's coming out.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: So he just says that I've posted it, I've done that,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I've done some stoic mindset.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: So I have a quick look at her go, yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: that's all. But I not not like that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: But it's generally, you know, miliced to with a book
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: at like that. But answering your question, it's been enjoyable.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't think i'd do.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: A second book.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: They've about possibly there may be a third and fourth.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I'll see how that goes. But I like it that
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I've had a lot of say, you know, they get
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: in touch with me when we were writing the book
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: or doing things and whatever it deser would like to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: do this or that? What's your thinking on this? What's
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: your thinking on that? And sometimes I go, no, I'm
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: not too king on that. So I like it that
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: they've given me a lot of freeway if you like
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: to to have, you know, a lot of said virtually,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: you know, autonomy on everything if you like. So, I
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: like it that the passionate, hard working. I like it
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: that the product that we've gone for the book itself,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: it's what I like. And so, answering your question, yes, surprizingly,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I've enjoyed the journey. So if it stays like this,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: maybe we might have a third one or a fourth one.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Who knows, we might have a million bestseller.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: You never know, Chris, absolutely, So let's just touch a
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: bit bit on hair. But I am keen to get
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: onto the sort the sort of life skills stuff so
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: we can be available for everybody watching Yes, it is unique,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: isn't it. I stayed with two Sees guys on Bryse
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Norton for the para course, and it really is people's
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: image of the Sees when you meet them in person,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: they're really really different. These two lads were just so humble.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: They were more interested in me and my background coming
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: from the Marines, possibly because they were from just regular
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: army regiments, which is a weird one, isn't it. So
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: they'd maybe like looked up a bit to the Marines
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: and now their professionality, they've done the jungle. They you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: they're on the wings. Course it was, but I remember
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: looking at them in the pub where there was a pub,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: weren't there in Bryce we all used to end out.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I can't remember what it was cool, but I remember
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: just looking at them there in Smart Cities. They had
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: shoes on. We're all there in desert boots and trainers.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: They had shoes on, and they were just sat on
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: these like you know, these plush lever what are they
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: called Winchester sofas or whatever that that name, And honestly,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: they look they look like they could have been bloody
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: librarians or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And in your book,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: it comes across that they're not when you rock up
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: for selection, they're not all shouting. They're not right, you
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: got to do this, You've got to do that. We
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: want you to. They're like, right, fellas, thanks for thanks
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: to turn up today. If you can turn to tomorrow
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: nine o'clock, if you can wear this see and get
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: some sleep, see you then.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what what I'll tell you? Sorry.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I did some some security for pop ballers
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: in the past. The more particular guy than I did
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: was Jerry red Now and Jermy is just a lovely
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: guy to go and Jamie asks to make me. We'd
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: had an introduction and he says, you know, why don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you come around to my house?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And I went around with a friend.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Remember's knocking on the door and Jamie Spike quite a
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: tall guy, and what am I have? Five eight? You know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: and knots on the door and he looks at me
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and I says, a bit disappointed or that first thing
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I said to hi many And he looked at me
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: strange because what you mean? I says, Well, an sts guy.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I says, you'd expecting a six foot five, you know.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Twenty five minutes across the chest, the thinner actually greased
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: in one and then a black whipping the other. I says,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: but what you've really got is a five for eight
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: yorkshreman that you can hardly understand what he's on about.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: And I says, there, you know, it don't look like
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: anything that you're thinking, do you, And all of a
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: sudden the smile come on his face and he burtht
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: out laughing and he says, coming in, he says, let's
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: don't want a bottle of wine. I said, hey, get
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: the kettle on, and I hope you've got some Yorkshire
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: tea bags and we're really eat the top, like you
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I think that kind of
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: sums things up with people meet out guys that are
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: always surprised about how the are, and I think, yeah,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: it's it's if I can. I think everything's this mindset.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: For example, when I started the journey from Para Ridge
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and I started to look towards going to Hereford to
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: you know, to have a career in the sees what
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: it was, it was like a crossroads. Chris. I was
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: coming up. I'd done about eight years and I'd signed
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: up for nine. It was three, six, nine years. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: signed up for nine. So round about seven or eight,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I started to think, right, one of my options one
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: was got out into Simmi Street. The next one was
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: staying Para Ridge, and the other one that if I
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: get really serious, you know, he's only one place of going.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: That's to Eunifitt's sort of thing, going out to Semi
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Street scared man, which I'm glad it did. Para Ridge
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I kind of outgrown. I mean, it's a good career,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: and I thought, right, I've got another twelve years or so,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: you know, fifteen years reached us out major. It's a
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: good career, but I just wanted to do more, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I thought I want to get serious. So then I
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: started this trek. If you're like this journey, which is
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: quite a long journey, okay, going up to Refford when
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I signed pen to paper and your volunteers volunteer process,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: and it actually stands on the paper that you volunteering, okay,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: for permanent active service with the Special Air Service Regiment.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: And I remember looking at it and kind of posing,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: and the adjudant there at that time kind of says
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: you're right there. Then I said yeah, and I kind
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: of quickly signed it, and what.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Do you wear?
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: At that time, I kind of knew that life was
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: going to change. I kind of thought, right, if I
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: get all my ducks lined up, if I you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: visualize what I really want with going to the s CS,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: you know my life, this will be life changing. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: then yeah, I put for selection. And other story is
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: that you did two selections, one winter one, one summer,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and it texts month a time. And I remember turning
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: up on the first day I did the winter one.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I thought, in my mind, there's going to be less
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: people on the winter one, and that means I probably
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: got more of a chance of passing christ you know
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And plus that kind of in the
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: cold weather, I think I'm a little bit better regarding
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: endured us wise. And and in the summer, the summer
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: tends to that you're done it, you know, And he's
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: more guys in the summer time. But I remember turning
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: up on the first day and there's an instructure there
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: and I remember there was about approxim I just on
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: the three hundred guys. They must be about under a
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: nature guy and an all of the film, we've got
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: a guy just talking to us normally not shouting to us,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: and he says, right, thanks everybody for coming and volunteering.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: First year selection, he says, before I give you a
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: brief in, can everyone just look around at each other,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: so you know, we're all looking around like this kind
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: of I'm thinking, wow, look at size of him and
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: wow he's fitting. Wow he looks at parts and what
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: have you. And he says, there, you know, withinside, you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: just over a month, you know, he says, there's going
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: to be less than fifty men. Okay by the time
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: you go to the jungle, because you do about four
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: or five weeks on the hills, then you prepare to
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: go out to the jungle because not.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Many people have done that.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: And then you go out to the jungle and you
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: have about four or five weeks out there, and each
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: time there's a selection process where it gets left on
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: left and left. So to start with us about two
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: under eighty guys, he'd already said within about another month,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: it's only going to be about fifth day. And by
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: the time you've finished, you know it's going to go
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: down again considerably. And you know, so they do that
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: purposely to site go out and you know, the very
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: next day there were five guys that didn't turn up
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: okay for that, and they do that purposely. So again
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I realized on that very first day that it's a
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: mind thing. Is that you can prepare yourself as much
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: as you can regard in the body, but the mind
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: is is crucial, especially when you you do something which
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: is very very very very difficult. And I remember going
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: through to the next stage because it's like in three stages.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: You know that it's obviously six months.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: The first stages is hills, navigation and carrying, wage and fitness.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Then the middle phase is going out to the jungle,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: and then the last phase is escaping, evasion and interrogation.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: And I remember being within side. In fact, by the
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: time we've done the first phase, there's about forty five
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: guys going out to the jungle. And remember the instructors
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: saying to us then saying, right, everyone now is at
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the same level.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: You're all bits, you're all strong, he.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Said, and we're now going out into the the jungle
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: within the next couple of weeks. It's all down now
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: to how much do you want this, he says, because
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: your other ten he says. The first part of selection
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: of selecting you forty five. I think it was for
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: you to go forward now to the jungle, and then
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: there will be another selection process which will take you
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: to the third stage, which is escape eVision and in terms,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: and he actually said it is now down to how
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: much you wanted and and luckily I got through to
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the to the last phase as well. But answering your question, Chris,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: is that yes, is that you don't have to be big.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: You haven't got to be fast. You haven't got to
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: be the most muscular, the most toughest, the most fastest.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: You haven't even got to be the best soldier. What
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: they want is that they want you, okay, to do
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: exactly as you're asked to do, and not to stop,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: to just keep on going until they tell you that
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: that's it. So they want a guy that will never
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: give up. They want a guy that has that mental ensurance.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: If you like that. And I think this is that
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: it comes back to like the book that i'd written
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: and the populishing companies, I would like to have a
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: different anthody.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I agree on this.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I don't just want a pure personal development book. We
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: ret goals and and they're great, and you know I've
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: got many of them, but I said I wanted them
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: where I can say. This is my bend on personal
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: development with a lessons on the experiences that I've had
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: around the world. We've been in the British Armed Forces
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: of some of the two of the hardest units, Touppish units,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: most famous units, if you like, in the Armed Forces
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: of the Paris and the s E S. And I
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I'd like to give my bent. Okay, my view of
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: what I think personal development is if you like strength
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: of mind, you know, strength of attitude, okay, And and
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: yes we look different, you know, we act different.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: We're not like everybody thinks we look.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Like Sportzing again, you know, you know in his day
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: when he was in Commando and whatever. You you know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: our Clode van Dam you know, are the rock everybody
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: expects that, you know when actually, as you says, you
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: know a lot of guys look nothing like it. But
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you someone their their toughness, their resilience, okay,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: their strength of mind. You know, it's some bending. Just
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: call on further, Chris, is that when I passed through
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: selection and I went to the squad of Musical and
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: by the way, that's where I met Bob Jebb. There
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: is that all of a sudden you mixed them with
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: a high a shot of guys. But the first thing
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I noticed, he got young noticed. I expected everybody's a
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: lot like bodybuilders, and they were road shapes and sizes,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: even people without valois, you know. But what I did
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: notice everybody was on their a game. I mean there
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: were guys that had, you know, expeditions to Everest, to
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: climb Everest. There were guys that had done free fall records,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: that had jumped from high altitudes, you know. There were
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: guys that are road parts of the Atlantic. There were
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: guys that had done glacier expeditions. There were guys that
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: were speaking all sorts of languages, you know, they were
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: there were guys that had been on I think Chris Ryan.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Chris Ryan had been on a on a German mountaineering
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: for eighteen months, are in Germany, Bavaria, and he become
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: a mountain leader and then come back to the red
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: mentor was able then to kind of head up the
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: mountain troup. So all of a sudden, if you were
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: mixing with guys like that, there are at their a game,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it brings you up and
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: you started thinking, you know, I, you know, I better
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: pull it together, you know. But another attitude what I
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: like up there at ed off it they want is
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: a bit the best Chris. They want you to do
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: and be the best at wherever you want to be. Obviously,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I was an air troup and I show it's mounting truck,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: this mobility through boat troup and and and then so
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: you specialize. For me, I specialize in altitudes before parachuting
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: and anything to do with heights. And it's funny because
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not very good realized, you know. And then you
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: have other qualities specialities, you know, you learn about signals
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: and demolitions and languages and medics, and so he specialized
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: in that. And then there's a lot of but on
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: all these skills. They want you to be the best
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you can and then a bit the best soldier and
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: the best shot, and and and then you've got to
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: keep your fitness up and then you try in the world.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: So it takes a certain type of mindset a certain individual,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: and you find it's generally not the big muscular, heavy
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: guy there. Everyone thinks, you know that they have an
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: image on that that you know, it's generally a guy
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: that looks quite normal, you know, quite lean, you know,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: it looks quite quite fit, you know, but he's got
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: that inner strength, he's got that inner endurance, he's got
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: that mindset. And and what I found coming from Para
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: reges that paraedge developed it. And then I come to
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: that crossroads and he kind of scared me because I thought,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: you know, I could, I could go back, and I
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: want to go forward. And I picked going to the
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: regiment because I wanted a long career within the military.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: And then once I've got up Terriford, it was that
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: another feeling when I got Ah, I know now why
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: guys can't be remember that feeling that when I joined
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: the parage, Ah, this sort of life is for made
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: a military life. Once I went up to Telephord, I thought, ah,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: now this is where the guys come if they want
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: to get a bit serious. And by the way, when
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: they go up there, this is why I haven't seen
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: him mate for years, because when they go to therapy,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: you never see him again, you know.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: And I remember guys saying to me that if you
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: need to good to everything, you need join the feast.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And what I used to say, get the last doing that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: They once you're weird, they're all you know, if you
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: used to have a reputation out, they're all atating as
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: those guys and they're weirdos and and they you know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: they do all sorts of weird stuff and whatever. You
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and it couldn't be far his foest from the truth.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: You know, if once you get up with you, you know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: you find these guys you're generally normal, you know, all
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: working on all wanting a career. What I like is
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: everybody looked in that direction, Chris. Everybody wanted the best.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Everybody wanted to be I had that phrase nowadays to
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: be the best version of yourself and the good thing
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: about heraf but he encourages that they want you to
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: be the best.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: I heard that they spend a hell of a lot
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: of money on our guys, you know, I had also
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: it's a figures millions, you know, to develop a special
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: force as Bolder, if you like. And hence the mindset
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: that comes about from it. And it just comes back
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: that you need a certain type of person to do
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: a certain job, and it's the job is stressful. Well,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: then you have to have a selection process to select
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: certain individuals and say those guys that think are good
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: enough to put into that thought of job strokes situation.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Because again, what I found about all the jobs that
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: are doing at Elford is that they were all stressful. Okay,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: but they were all stressful with you know, some could
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: be really dangerous. So DFR, you need a certain mindset
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: to follow through a drive, a punch, okay, but a
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: calm mind if you like that, you're in a difficult situation.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: But we all know that we must have a positive outcome,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: So DFR, you need a certain type of individual to
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: bring that about. Chris. Hence the book itself ses My
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Try Bad Fire.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, I want to need a couple of things out
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: here for the for the records. So humble comes to mind.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: A true professional is generally a humble person, aren't they not?
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Not a big bragger?
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Not?
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Sort of Probably probably differentiates us from the Americans a bit,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I would say, although although taking that back, you meet
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of really wonderful Americans, really really nice, nice
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: humble Agree.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: With that, Agree with that?
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I worked with Americans a lot, especially their special forces,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: and very professional and really really nice guys. Down to it,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I know what you mean about Americans, we tend to
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: look at them as loud and brash and whatever. But
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I think when there's a certain process where there's a
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: selection that they brought through. Again, any selection process tends
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: to filter, don't it. It filters? You know? Like I
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: heard about selection itself at Hereford is is that when
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: the regiment after the Second World War was disbanded, it
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: got involved in the Malayan conflict in the nineteen fifties,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: and I heard that the selection cost has come about
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: then said that they needed to start selecting guys because
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: of difficult situations. And I was always told them, by
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: the way I've earned that selection post, it is the
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: same then as it is today. And I've heard that
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: is that the instructors don't select you. The process it
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: selects you, okay, And protif itself is put you under
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: physical stress, put you under mental stress, sleep deprivation, stress,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: and it brings out the real you, Okay, over six months.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: You can't you can't fake that. So once they put
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: your on the hills with weight and not reading ones
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: to get you out of the jungle, once they get
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: your escaping evasion, that selection process will come about. And
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I was always told that the selection process selects you
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: for the job in hand, because the job at Eraford
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: s ES is a very very tough job and a
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: tough lifestyle to live. It's not for everyone, so the
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: selection process selects that individual. And by the way, when
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: guys got up tournafid, I hardly saw anyone leave. I
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: think everybody had this mindset that once they go up there,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: they go this is what I've been searching for, this
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: is what I want. I love the professionalism up here.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: I love the mindset. I love that that no non
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: bullshit type attitude. Everybody just talks to each other like
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: we are this yes is right, but it's first names.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: You talk to each other as the boat and shouting,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: and it's it's very non militarified.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: But the expect you to have self discipline.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: As you know, Chris, self discipline can be the hardest discipline.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: For example, we didn't have organized fitness up there like
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: you have in the military. But he expected you to
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: be fit for the job. So you would get guys
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: up there that are not really into fitness but are
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: exceptionally fit. So as long as you fit for tasks,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: you know they're not bother how many dips you do,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: how many pul ups you do, how many presups and
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: what have you. They want you that you've got to
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: be fit enough to carry weight and do the job
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: and be out of the jungle or the desert, okay,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: in the Arctic, and as you know, Chris, when you're
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: in those theaters. Okay, it's a different type of fitness,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: isn't it. It's it's it's a different it's it's a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: fitness or job to tack. Okay, first of all, you've
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: got to do the job. But you've got to do
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: it in the jungle, and then you've got to do
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: it in the desert, and you've got to do it
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: in the Antarctic, and you've got to so that's a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: different type of fitness.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: That's just not going to the gym.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go to the gym when we push weights
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, But when you are doing the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: actual job, itsell Soldering is hard, into Chris.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Very very odd.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: All I can ever remember a soldiering is being cold,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: is being wet and being miserable, and being cold, wet
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: and miserable, and then you've still got to do the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: job in hand. That takes a certain mindset, tekes, a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: certain fitness, a certain attitude. Therefore, the selection process is valid. Okay,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: it selects a certain individual, or it doesn't select that individual,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: so the people that are left, Okay, the selection processes work.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: And I think we mentioned about other armed forces, and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: of cause we're talking about the Americans. I've noticed when
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I've worked with their sectual forces, I've worked with their seals,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: I've worked with Delta, I've worked with others and they
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: have a selection process as well. And you're fine, it's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: just a different type of animal, you know. And I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: think you've mentioned it about our guys. For example, I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: come from Padder Edge Courage, works with gung Ho, with Loud,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: we punched through. Okay.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: They want us to go and sort of problem out
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: sending a sending a run. You know what you're getting.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: They're going to go in there and the cut of
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: coast Mayhem. You're going to do it. You're going to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: knock everyone on the house. You know.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: When you go to Eraford, they want a different.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Type of guy.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: We need a quieter guy.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: You're going to do a certain type of missions, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: some of them protests, and it's no passion where they
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: used to using it for secret missions and the likes.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: But you need a certain individual. Now you don't need
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: kind of that that punching throne whatever. You Now you've
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: got to be selected, Okay. Now you've kind of got
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: to go in you you know, you've got to be
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: specialized and in what you do. So the selection process,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I feel, Chris, Okay, it's everything, okay, And I think
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I've mentioned this in the book, and I think it
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: brings about a certain individual when you go through a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: certain selection, our selected process and the Marines do it,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: the Powers do it, so you know what you get there.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Special Forces do it, Delta do it, Seals do it,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: and you can see you get a certain type of individual.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: They tend to look differently, and not only that, they
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: have a different mindset towards life itself and about the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: tap in hand. Would you agree with that, Chris, Yes.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: I think my reference to the Americans is when you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: see people on the circuit in the Middle East and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: they've got the you know, the flat jacket with the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: bare arms and the twenty five grenades and the big
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: bit and the bold head and the another thing there
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: you touched on something I've found this crucial to understand.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Every time I've done an extreme endurance event, whether it's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: running the length of the country, running across the Sahara,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: rowing across the Atlantic, you get so many naysayers Dez.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: You know, you get people that have done it and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: whether directly to you or indirectly through someone you know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: say to you, oh, he's not doing that right, No,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: he's got to be like, oh he should be doing
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Oh no, ten years training for that. Oh you need
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: to be advanced, you know, you need to be medically
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: trained to surgeon for the And the good thing is
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: is when you're done, when you've done a lot of this,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: you just learn to ignore it all and just continually
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: be yourself. I think it's a valid point for people
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: out there because you on selection, you're looking around there's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty lads and there's that ten patient
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: to think they're better than me, and the irony is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: a load of them won't be here next week.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's it's I think we're touching on.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: You know, there's that be a thing. I think this
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: is always too fierce Chris And yeah, I remember standing
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: there and at that moment when I told these guys
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: and he said, look around, and you get this feeling
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: inside and you go, do you know someone? Am I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: good enough to do this? And do you know if
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I am good enough? Or if I fail? Well? Guess
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: you know? What if you are good enough? And what
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: if your pass? And I think even before I went
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: on selection, I remember a couple of years before, I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: was talking to myself, haven't it?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I remember, I'm not good enough? But I don't think
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I'm fit enough, I don't think I'm a good enough soldier,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Such so this in everything you do, Chris,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: is generally fear. And I always remember years ago someone
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: said I ready some point far downs, false expectations appearing real.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: You always think of the worse scenario. And and I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: remember talking myself, hasn't it? I remember thinking I'm not
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not good. I used to hear about the essay,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I can't do this. I'm not good enough, I'm not
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: bitching up, I'm not strong enough, too ugly, I'm not
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: good luck enough.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: But it's all of that. But what you what you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: have to do? Even today, I still feel them butterflies
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: when I do. Don'tthing know what I've learned to recognize
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: is that it's normal. So it's always the fear. And
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: I nearly didn't go Chris. I nearly didn't join the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: l Forces because of the fear. I nearly didn't join
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: the parents because I had the fear of old.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: I don't like tides and I don't want but I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: overcome it.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And then I kept resisting and resisting and going to aniford,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: and I kept thinking, no, I'm not good eving. And
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: but the more exposure I have, the more I found
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: out about it, the more confidence it gave me. And
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: then when I was up there and when that instructor
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: said look around, I remember a guy saying to me,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: he says, you're going to have a situation dead where
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: you're going to look at everyone and think, well, these
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: guys look the power. And actually this was it. But
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: he said to me, he says, don't let that swhere.
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  Speaker 3: You don't let it put your off. He says, just
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: think to yourself. I'm going to just do my best
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  Speaker 3: each day, because he said, if you think for six months,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: and he says, and you're on the earls and it's
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  Speaker 3: just you know, good. So on two hours to four
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  Speaker 3: hours to six hours, eight hours, ten hours, outs and
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  Speaker 3: so on.
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  Speaker 2: He says, you're not going to do it if you're
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: just thinking of tomorrow, think.
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  Speaker 3: Of each day. And actually that was good advice. I mean, firstly,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: I thought, well, you know, so I might have that fear.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: But there was a book come out years ago, Feel
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  Speaker 3: the Fear, but do it any well. I think it
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  Speaker 3: was a Lady by Susan Jeffers, and it was a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: book Feel the fee but do it anyhow. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to feel it. It's natural to feel it, but just
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: do it anyhow. And I remember looking around and thinking, oh, yeah,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: these guys look good. But I just saw to missl chill.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to give it my best. I
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  Speaker 3: know I'm capable of passing this, you know. And what
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: you may said, all I'm going to do is look
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: till tomorrow. I've done today. Now tomorrow, don't another one
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: in the like another one in the bag. And you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: could see guys talking theirselves, aren't. And I used to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: hear guys go, god, I've got another few months at
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: doing this. I know they weren't going to stick around.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: You know, all idities that I remember, you know, I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: used to get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Ye're on
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  Speaker 3: chin stop. You can't do it, but you know that
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: the weekend's coming, and then I know that I would
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: just rest at the weekend, sleep up, you know. So
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: it's hard, the blisters on my body, eat plenty of food, recovered.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Monday was good, Tuesday not too bad. Wednesday, aren't feeling it. Thursday,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether I can do. Friday, Friday, I'm
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: on chin stop.
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  Speaker 2: Weekends here right again. Yeah, just to that, And that's
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  Speaker 2: the protes I used to walk around in flip flops.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my toenails were hanging off blitters everywhere, and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: that I had that process of just going I am scared,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: feel it. I'm capable of doing this. Don't think too
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: far in the future, just take each day as it comes.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: And lookily, that's what I did. I enter the two
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: selections because the first one I got injured in the jungle,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: come back, went back again, did it again, got insured
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: again in the jungle, but luckily I managed to punch
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: through and pass it and then eventually get into the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: regiment itself. But I think Chris, fear of everything is
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: what stops most people from doing what they want to do.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I have people talk the time, you know,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: talk to me all the time about I want to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: do this, I want to do that, I want to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: do the other, and I go, why don't you do it?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: And You'll generally find an excuse and I'll set to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: him and they go, oh, you don't understand this. It's difficult.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: I go, I'm not saying this is going to be easy.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: And as you know, we are saying in the military,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: we were going Nobody ever said this was going to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: be easy. I remember the instructors always say that I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: took that in the run. Nobody ever said this was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: going to be easier. Like I said to my son,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: you know, and my daughter never shy away from difficult decisions.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: It's some decisions are really difficult, but make them get
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: amongst it. Feel that uncomfortable feeling, feel that fear, but
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: don't anyway. If you keep shining away, it means you're scared,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: you're fearful, and you won't make a decision. How many times, Chris,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: have you come across and you want to do something.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Once she make the decision to do it a positive decision,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: you feel good about it and but yet you have
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: to actually done it. You might not be doing it
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: until another few weeks. You know, you might be planning
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: on let's a good on holiday, you might be planning
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: on the difficult whatever it is. Like. I know, you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: just up all the time, you know, and you must
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: be apprehensive. But once you've made a decision to do it,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: you generally feel okay. Don't you learn about threats they
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: were saying, strength thinks normally things that you have control on,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: but you don't make any decisions on them. You know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: you're kind of procrastinate on them. You leave them pending
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: instead of going, I need to make a decision on
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: that list. Let's make a decision early, and let's do it.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: As you know, in the military, we always try to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: make a decision.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Early, don't we.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: You know, do we do this, you know, don't leave
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  Speaker 3: it right. Let's make a decision today we're not going
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: to do it or we aren't going to do it,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: and then we can get on with what we need
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: to do. You know. So, I think a lot of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: people Chris throw themselves out of difficult situations simply because
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: they're scared and they don't make the decision early. What's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: your thinking on that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, My thinking is action creates action and everything
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  Speaker 4: I've ever done, Dez, whether it be joining the Marines,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: running the London Marathon was a big memorable thing for me,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: or most recently, I decided to climb Mount Everest, and
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: within within a month I'd had someone offer to pay
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: for it all, and an expedition of Esteemed expedition company
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: approach and say they want me to go with them.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: Now that it seemed insurmountable a month ago, how am
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: I going to get together thousands upon thousands of pounds? Yeah,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: get in there, you know, get to base camp, get
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: up into the death zone, step over all them dead bodies,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: you know that, all that part of it. Don't buy it.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: People think I'm like flipping. I'm not dead. It's just
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: if someone else has done it, I can do it.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: It's just that simple for me. And I'm not I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: couldn't run under me Is in eight seconds. But if
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: an eighty year old Japanese man can climb out Everes,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: I certainly know I can do it, you know, you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: so I don't have any qualms in that sort of that,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: you know, that sort of area for me, it's more,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: it's more the logistics of what would most people say.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: They say, I couldn't get time off work, I haven't
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: got the money. Chris. Oh, that's not for me. That's
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: for those elite professionals, isn't it. They've probably been climbing
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: their whole, whole whole And again, not a lecture, is it, DEAs.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: We're not having to go at people here. We're just saying,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: don't do it. If you want to live a legendary
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: life and be able to smile at the end of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: it and put your feet up and think, you know what,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: if I died now, I'll be totally.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The girlfriend said some of
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: something recently. She says, you seem really relaxed. You know,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: you seem really happy, you seem content. And I think
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: it's because I never had a midlife christ And one
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: of my friends once said to that you were never
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: going to have a midlife christis player. I know I weren't,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: and and I think it's something you touched on there.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: I was always scared of regret. I thought, you know,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: I am in the Paris met the most you know here,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: I am you know, in the sees met the most
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: of it. You know, here I am traveling the world
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: metamost in it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Something, things don't turn out the way you want them to.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: But I've always classed myself as being blessed to be
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: able to do these things. You know, here's me a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: little on me coming from Sheffield, leaving scholar at fifteen
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: and zero zero education.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: You know, thank goodness for spell check on.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: You know, when I'm doing emails nowadays and whatever, you know,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: I normally let the girlfriend I go.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Is that English? Does that sound okay?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: But the thing is what I did, Christ, is that
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: I found a way. I found what worked for me.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: I found what worked for that Yorkshire lad that didn't
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: have any confidence, no education, but you know, just add
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: may be a hint of drive. And as the drive
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: went forward, he got stronger and stronger, and I got
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: more and more confident, and I created traction and you
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: create and momentum, and all of a sudden, you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: I found myself in the military. And now I'm in
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: a lifestyle now where people want you to succeed and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: people will help you. And I'm saying I'm not too good, honest,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: we don't matter. You will be within a few months
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, I'll come to that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: crossroads that I've talked about. Oh I'm going out and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: disillustrator or I don't have the idea of that. I thought, well,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I've come this way, I know what if I go back,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: I know what it's going to be.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Let me go forward. And I thought, yeah, the regiment
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: is it.
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  Speaker 3: And then once I've got in there, and I just
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: felt grateful to be there and being there, and I go,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: I am going to make the most of this. And
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: people say it must have been difficult there. Life is
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: difficult since it crashed. You know everything, you can make
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: everything difficult. But if you just have a different mindset
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: and just so, yes, it is difficult. But you know
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: what I'm learning from this and I'm going to get
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: them from it, is I'm getting the benefits of this.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: You know, people talk to me about the load of attraction,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: because you know that the book kind of touches on
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I said, well, I have different views on it.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: There's really if I want to underline the load of attraction,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: it's generally four things. And I tell you in the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: book it's generally hard work. Okay, it's consistency focused on differbly. Now,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: hard work question is basically, you don't get anything, anything
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: of significance that is without hard work. So I don't
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: know anybody that hasn't got anywhere without hard work. And
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: then consistency, you've got to do it over and over
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: and over and over again. You've got to be consistent
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: about it of what you want or in the route
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: of what you want to do, and you've got to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: be consistent of what every text to move forward on
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: that intention of that goal that you want. So hard work,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: consistency focus. Now I'm not about focus like this. I'm
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: not about focused like this like a laser or you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: focus on something so hard that you can almost feel
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: it vibrates, you know, So you focus on what you want.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: All your attention is on what you want or whatever
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: that is you want, whether it's your career, you know,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: whether it's your relationship, whether it's whatever it is that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: you want, you know.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: And so hard.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Work, consistency focus, and I think what everything ties it
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: in is disciplined. I know people that can't get out
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: better money, Chris, you know, they go, oh, you know,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: they're starting there. You know. For me, I can't wait
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: to get out better. I've got things to do. You know,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: I went a better early last night. I got up
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: early this morning about six o'clock.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: I was looking over to this having a good chin wag,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: and I've got things to do, people the same places
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: that go. I'm excited about moving forward. And and I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: think if there is a load of attraction is that.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's those four things. So it is to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: me and I found Chris. So when I get a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: bit sluggish and things that are happening, it's generally that
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: you know, you tend to sit around so much, and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: you know proactive, and you're not so active, and things
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: slow down, things.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Stop happening all of a sudden.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: When I do the opposite, when I send an email
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: or I rank someone up and I meet someone and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: I talk about what I want to do, all of
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: the things freed up, you know, and you're creating that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: positive dust. And you know that that process of that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: pragmatic high feeling. And for me, because I wasn't academically
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: bright that way, Chris, I had, I jumped on this
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: pragmatic side. So the military sorted me, and I find
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: it today is that hard work, you know, consistency, focused
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: discipline in everything that I do, and on these books
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: that I've done, the two books, is that, you know,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: the hard work of the consistent, they focused discipline as
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: really works. And it's not so much Chris doing the books.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: It's what has come from him. Most all great people,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: some nice things have come about, and you know, I'm
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: batht I've got some products. You know, people are always
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: asking me to do things. You know, I have a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: chat you know, just look like it and it's enjoyable.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: And as I said it early on in the podcast,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: I feel really privileged Chris that people ask my opinion, Okay,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: what do I think on life? What do I think
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: about this subject? You know, what do I think of that?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, I know why they're asking me, Chris,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: because he's seeing me that I've been in the own
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: forces for twenty eight years. So therefore I've done a bit,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: seeing a bit and being a bad of it. And
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: that's not taking my chest start. Actually, generally for most
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: guys in there in the memitary, most most guys that I.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Know, have done twenty two years.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: That's a long time, you know, So you know it's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: that old facing saying of a tart major, I'm a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: pretty good you know, I've got a good view on
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: on a on an individual. Assault major generally knows, you know,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: and they can say that it's a good guy when
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: it's a bad guy because he's had that, he's had
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: the experience is that twenty two years, you know, where
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: he's worked in the military, and he's seen lots of individuals,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: so he has a good opinion on people, you know,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: and he knows what he's going about. And I think
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: I've been that experience within the armed forces for me
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: has been invaluable and it's skill. It brought about this
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: my lord of attraction. I tend to have a set
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: of tools. And it's nice that I feel content because
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: behind me, I look back and I think, well, that's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: been my career. And I just said my girlfriends said
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: the other day, Yeah, that's why you are content the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: day you get up in the morning and you're not saying, oh,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: there's amounts of people have come across. When he said, Chris,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: I wish I'd done this. I missed that opportunity or
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: I should have done that, and I've got yeah, fine,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: I've had missed opportunity, but I says, you know, don't
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: let that for the future.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: That find what happens.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: From now onwards? Well, and you know I'm too old
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: and what i'd be. Okay, you might not be as
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: sprite as you used to be, but maybe you can
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: still salvage some of your ambitions that you might want
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: to do and whatever day or yeah, regret I didn't
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: get a degree, or I regret I think we're the
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: own forces that. Yeah, but it's gone now you find
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: something else. It's what happens from today. If you keep
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: talking about regret, regret, regret, you're not going to move forward, Chris,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: are you? So what I found is the set of
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: tools for me, Chris is My kind of law of
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: attraction is be be busy, be pragmatic, hard work, consistent, focused, discipline,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: move forward, pick got positive dust mix just really or
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: that things like mixed with like minded people. Okay, you
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: mentioned about nay says, I don't deal with any nay
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: says whatsoever? You know, I you know, people don't waste
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: my time twice, you know. And I've got some really
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: good friends and you know I love them, they love me.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of interaction and it's some work
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: we do together and good friendship. There's not many, okay,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: but those guys, uh, those people are serious about the
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: things that we get in all did and I value
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: their friendship. I value their opinions. They for value mind
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: And yes, it's like mindedness and that in itself if
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: you can work with like minded people, if you can
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: have it, and that Linemen people have a think tank
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: where you can go to someone like I've come to you,
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  Speaker 3: Chris Chrisis.
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  Speaker 2: We think about this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you've done the average thing, and you've done that,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: and give me some opinion on that. You don't ever
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: be scared to do that, you know? And then you know,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: hard work, consistently focused discipline. You know, get up early
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: in the morning. You know I tend to get up
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: this It tends to be about six seven things that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: I do when I get up in the morning. I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: get up early.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: I'll pay people set out to military thing. Everybody get
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: up early. Secondly, get the job done, and whatever that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: job done, I tidy not be out. Get up and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: get the job done. Secondly, think about doing something physical.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: You know, I'll go right when am I going to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: get your workout? In today, might only be a walk,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: might be a cycle on the bike whatever, you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: healthy food to link with that, right, you know, most
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: of my forward I try to not crazy. I like chocolate,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: all right, I have it on it again. But yeah,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: you know, think about the mind, you know. Yeah, either
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: you know, meditate, pray, set goals, you know, you know,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: whatever it is there. The sixth one generally reads something.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: I like learning things, so I tend to read articles.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: I've got books that I've got, don't read them and
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: learn someone. Of course we did this in the military,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: didn't they. And the last one is sound strange, but
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: it's clindliness. Clean your body in the house, clean the car,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: clean your clothes, you know, clean whatever. So it is
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: about seven things and I tend to sell them every day,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: and I tend to do it, you know, before lunchtime,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: you know, get up early, get a job done, do
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: some physical eat eltherly, you know, think about setting your
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: goals or pray or meditate. It does some up for
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: the mind, learn something, doesn't reading. Secondly, cleansliness cleanser body,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: you know, and and that gets your focus that in
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: itself all of a sudden, Then sending emails stoking to people,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: projects and whatever's so the busy iner, you know, creates
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff that we talked about, creates that positivity.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: We're always going to be positive all the time, you know.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: But I think the things that I've talked about where
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: it gets you up, gets you get up early, et cetera,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: et cetera. It tends to create that momentum that if
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: you had a bad day yesterday are or you get
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: up in the morning and you don't feel too good, well,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: then these things that you do create momentum and traction
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: to move forward. When in the day, how many times
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: you'll come across people to go fed up at this
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: and that and this went wrong and that went wrong.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Guess well, welcome to life. That's what happens. Chris.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? Oh?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Absolutely? I think when you live this way, you're setting
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: like baselines for yourself. Theres aren't you? You know what
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: you can achieve? You you know how balanced you can
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: get your mind, you're now productive you can be. And
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: then when you do have your bad day and you're
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: down here, you know you've got to just start doing
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the things again to get yourself back there. But yes,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: if you never do the things, and you just float
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: through life like a cork bobbing on a you know,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: a wild ocean. Yes, then and you're you're not in
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: control of your own mental wealth, and everything's going to
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: knock you off your perch, you know, and you're going
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: to start comparing yourself to others or looking back, like
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: you say, the things you didn't do, rather than realizing,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: no life begins now there is. There isn't a yes day.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: It's physically an impossibility to access it. And yeah, you're
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: you're so you know, you're so right. This is why
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: I like my office is because it's the tidiest room
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: in the house. It's it's my little, you know, my life.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: And I realized that people it's funny people say, but
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: you were in the hand forces, dairs and and you
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: did this, and you did that. And I said to
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: my look, I'm not saying everybody have to be in
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: the army. I'm not saying they have to be in
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: a paras only. Yeah. What I'm saying is is that
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: you've got to have a certain mindset, okay, And and
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: and you know, for you to move your life can
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: be difficult. In general, is a people out there, you know,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: having difficult times, and I stopped raining. But for whatever reason,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: We're going to give a thousand reasons. But I'm generalizing here.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: You know, let me get an example. I've just been
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: out to the bike and I used to live out
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: there a some years ago, and I find the idea
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: that it's it's generally like minded people. You know, it's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: people want to do things. You know, the climate is okay,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: it's a bit hot now, but you know you've got sunshine.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: But you know, is that people are generally moving forward.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: So I quite like that. You know, these people are
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: talking what we're doing tomorrow and let's get together and
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: do this and come and meet up. And so I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: quite like that. You know, there's the sunshine, it's bright.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: People want to get up early. People want to stay
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: up generally late and drink and get together one I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: mean by drinking not alcohol. I'm a coffee guy. I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: like having latters, you know, and so I tentacle the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: coppy shops you or Coster or neros there you're going.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I'm challenging some of out the area is that they're
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: my officers, and the amount of meetings I have indoors.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: But the point I'm making is that it's really nice
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: to be around people who want to move forward, people
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: that are talking positively, that are not distracting you with nonsense, okay,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: that are talking about structure and let's do this to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: get on what have you? And I find out there
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: particularly that, and you know, it's maybe for there's quite
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: a few reasons I can think why, but I quite
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: like being out.
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  Speaker 2: There simply because of that that feeling.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: I tend to I tend to work better in the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: warmer weather, probably in this country, like now, we're having
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: some really good weather so weak. I think it's twenty
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: degrees or so today. I love that. I like the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: light mornings and I like it it doesn't go dark
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: till late Pebmfully I can just do more. I tend
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: to not like the winter because it's darker eight o'clock
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: in the morning, it's dark at four o'clock in the evening,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: and people don't want to go out and don't want
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: to do it. So I tend to look at UK
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: that it tends to be two different countries. We have
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: a summer time where everybody wants to do something and
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: the positive and want to go out and proactive and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: what have you. And I find that because of the climate,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: lets say, is that people just about the opposite of
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: what I've just said, you don't want to go out,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: They want.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: To saying, you know, proactive et cetera, cetera.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: You know, you get flu in October, you'll get full
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: in January, and then it's only until you come spring
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: to everybody up. Somebody turns the leat on and we
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: go again and nowhere. So I think people are mentioning
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: those things because people get very depressed about those sort
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: of things. Well guess what if you live in the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: northern hemisphere, that's what's going to happen, isn't it. So
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: you kind of got to even overcome the climate. But
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: I can see how the climate, I think is Scandinavia
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: and I went to Sweden some months ago. We did
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: a talk over there for a medical firm and they
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: have a thing called SAD seasonal affective disorder and it's
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: to do with lack of sun done like going through
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: the eyes the retina and stimulating the brain and create
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: in endoence. Okay, sunshine does that, it makes you, it
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: makes you more away. Of course, when you get dark
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: and eights et cetera. You get this season effective disorder
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: and it's saying that we have it in this country. Okay,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: there's certain reasons for that, but we can't just give
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: everything a reason of this is why I don't do this,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: or this is why I didn't do that. I think
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: you've got to have an all new approach, and I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: think the book what I've done on this is that
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: what I've done, I've kind of gain maybe not a
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: unique approach. I like to think it is is where
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: I've given stories of myself of what happened to me,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: some military stories, some civilian, and then I've kind of
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: got lessons learned from that particular story. So I kind
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: of don't like the idea where you can get sometimes
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: these personal development gurus and stand up and they give
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: you this is how to go back the problems of life,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: but they haven't had much experience. I like to think
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: such as you know me and you we've had the
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: experiences in life, so we can talk from the practical
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: experience of how we went through that and then the
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: lessons learned. And by the way, the lessons learned for
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: your audience is that we always that that in the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: regiment we always do an operation, we come back, we
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: have a debrief and we say what did we learn
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: positive and negatively from that operation or from that fact
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: that we did. What were the lessons we learned? And
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: we'll write them down. And it's only because next time
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: we want to do it better. And I think that's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: where the regiment's very good at. That's why has them
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: become a dinotham. We all know what anter the dinothouse. Okay,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: what the regiment does is very good at changing the environment.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: The environment changes, but it adapts to that environment, doesn't it.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: So what happens is that each time we do something
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: a task commission, we'll come back, we have a debrief,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: write down what went wrong, what didn't work, but what
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: did work overall? What were the lessons were learned? And
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: I kind of had that format for the book this
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: story something went right, something went wrong, Debrey, this is
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: what I learned from it, And that's what I've tend
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: to have done in the book. And I'm hoping people
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: will look at it and go, yeah, Okay, I know
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Des has been in the Paris and he's been in
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: the sees, so he's a fairly experienced guy, fairly mature.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: He's going to be seen a bit that story quite
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: like that. Oh, this is what he learned, that's what
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: he did, that's how he went about it, that's what
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: he thinks about it. And I think people can draw
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: from that. And I quite like that format. I think
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: if I could stay with that format for the next book,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: on the next book, I think we're quite pleased with that.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yes, well, I can hold my hand up, can't.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: I are probably the first person member of the public
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: to have read your book. I did that, I told
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: you on the phone. I downloaded an app to my
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: phone where I could put the pdf FI that your
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: publisher very kindly sent me. I put it into the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: app and then it turned it into I know your
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: book's coming out as an audiobook as well. But yes,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: this meant I didn't have to sit and read a
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: whole book. I listened to it while I was laying
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: some lamon ut lamonut flooring, as you do you do.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: And what did want to touch base on is is
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: there anyone des that finds himself in the jungle the
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: jungle phase, that really loves it and enjoys it?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Actually, yes, I can let me mention your audience I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: know Billy Bellingham. Billy Bellingham used to be a cheap instructor,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: I believe it was out in Brunei, and he talks only.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: About about the jungle.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: And I've meted some other guys. I know Bob Sheppard
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: particularly like the jungle. And yes, and I think when
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: I arrived at the regiments, you know, we used to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: call them the old and bold, the guys that were kind
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: of older and knows that I had all the experience
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: sort of thing.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of them. You know, I've done
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of jungle.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Warfare, okay, And and and hence the jungle itself has
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: always been important to the regiment. That's wall they have
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: it in selection, in the middle part of selection. And
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: they always said, is that the reason we have it
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: is that if you can soldier within the jungle, you know,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: you can soldier anyway it cost. It's a very very
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: difficult environment. But answer your question, yes, I've come across
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: up you guys. I can't say I'm a great lover
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: of the jungle, but do you know what they do
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: say is that the jungle has everything because it has food,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: it has water, it has shelter, and you're you're able
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: to live there. It's very difficult. You know, everything wants
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: to bite you, take your way, eat you. It's hot,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: it's humid, it's raining a lot. You can't sleep on
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: the floor, do you know, Like when we might do
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: European exercise and you get your sleeping bag out and whatever.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: You you can't do that out of youngle. You've got
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: to have a hammock.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: And there's certain techniques and certain way off foldering out
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: within the jungle. But it is a very difficult environment.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: The regiments I think will always I hope it does.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: I hope it always keeps it within its curriculum, especially
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: within selection. I think it's it's our selection itself. I
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: think it's a real test of character. I really don't
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: it's so, but yeah, I've come across a few guys
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: that really like it, really enjoy it and feel home
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: from home. So yeah, Billy Bellingham used to instruct out there,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: and he said to me, I think he did a
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: two year tour out there where he was the chief instructor,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: and he said he loved it down there. So we're
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: I always find out a bit strange yet, and know
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: some people like a certain type like and I know
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: in Yogott in the Marines, you're you have the mls
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: that are always out in the Antarctic yet and no
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: way and and the likes now go wow, you know,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: I've come across some of them guys. I think they
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: literally live out there for six months, don't they.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Chris, Yeah, they're a different breed, you know that, to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: be honest. And I'm not trying to get Army Barmi here,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: but they are a special forces within.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I would agree with that,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I would agree.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: For with that.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: But moreover, they're like really odd days.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: And you know, I haven't come across many Upper Eerford,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: and I remember some of them. I remember working work
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: with some of them, and I was just like wow,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I was really impressed with their skills, and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: I said, why don't you Why aren't they one of
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: your guys Upper Eraford sort of thing. And I think
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: it's just because they enjoy what they do. And again
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: I think, if you know, like I've talked about the jungle,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: that you're very savvy in the jungle, and you like that,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: you tend to kind of feel really comfortable. And I
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: notice these guys they're always you know, in the cold.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: And again, you know, I always used to think anybody
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: wants to start to war, you know, an artic country.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: You know, when it's you know, twenty thirty below, you
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: know you're not facing the animent, you're fating the elements first,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: you know, being outs to nowhere. And I've you know,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: been when it's been twenty thirteen and your eyes are
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: freezing together, your eyelids, aren't they, Chris, you know, And
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: and it's a very difficult environment. These guys are on
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: the ball, so I remember getting on. It's funny as well.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: We seem to have a lot in common, Chris. You know,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: we've thought about this mindset and what have you. It's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: going to be a very like, very skillful. They seem
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: to be confidence in what they did, and we seem
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: to have kind of you know, like a bonding if
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: you like, you know, But I agreed, a special Forces
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: mindset is definitely there. Them guys certainly like what they
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: don't they.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some ye, there was one one Chap. He
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: was at my rs N just before I left, and
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: it was interesting. This is again sort of an anomaly
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: I think people might find interesting. Is I was left.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: I left to go and run a business in Hong
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: Kong that i'd started, and you know, you get the
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: usual again, the sort of hey, you can't. We used
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: to call it going outside.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: You can't go outside because there's nothing out there. And
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: I used to think that's part of the reason I'm
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: going outside is I don't like, I don't want to
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: be live my life afraid and stay in the military
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: because I'm afraid. So I went to see the rs
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: at the r S m Or he asked to see
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: me to discuss it. And this was a chapter in
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: the Falklands. He would take out listening patrols and they
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: were just wearing a rig that you know, they stood
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: up in no obviously, no no bivi's or anything, and
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: they'd go and lie down, sometimes within five meters of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: the Argentinians, and they'd lie there for twenty four hours,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: not moving in that bitter, bitter cold, just observing and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: listening and making notes. I mean, this guy also, I believe,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: I believe led the attack on top Marlow House, which
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: is a famous Marines.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: It was an attack, imprompture attack, I think put in
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: by the Mals. I might be slightly wrong here, but anyway,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: so this, you know, there's anyway. So I went to
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: see him. He said, so marine thrill or corporal thrill?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: I was then, what what I was? A lance corporal
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: desert in the Marines. You don't say lance corp. We
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: we just say corporal. He said, you want to go outside?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: He said, do you know what if I'd have had
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: somebody to go outside to, I'd have been out here,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: out of here a long time ago. Well, and it
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: was so honest of him, typical. He wasn't there like,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: oh no, you can't do that. No, you know, you've
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: got to stay. And he was just like, really really honest,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: nice guy, rest in peace.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: So, but these guys were different. You'd be out in
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: the field and you'd be absolutely chilled to the core.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: You don't have gloves on because if you don't, you
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to feel your fingers. These guys are
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: there sorting their ropes out, no gloves, you know, just
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: just just a pair of smock on us or or
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: an arctic smote and making it look like they're they're
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: peeling spuds.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they they've made it. They've they've really acclimatized to
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: their environments. I mentioned it earlier on into is that
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: when people are skillful and when they like what they do,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: you know, they changed that environment. They know how to
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: deal with the cold, They know how to deal with
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: the situation. This confidence about it, don't they. And and yes,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: if if you know the jungle that we started the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: conversation with, and you know, and all the conditions, if
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: you can want extreme to the other, if you can
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: solder in those difficult, very difficult environments, very difficult theaters,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: well then you know that's you know, that's got to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: be a formidable soldier, hasn't it. You know, because you know,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: you know as well as me for your audience, is
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: that a lot of people think about, you know, the
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: the action type of soldiering, you know, and and it's
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: you know, everybody tends to look at that and get
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: excited by that. But as you know, ninety percent of
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: soldering is just pure hard work into it. You know,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: it's you know, it's it's actually you know, trudging around
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: regards the environment itself, getting from a to b, climbing
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: over hills and mountains and crossing rivers and so on.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: A lot in it will be collating information a lot
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: in it will be viewing information, writing it, so bringing
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: it back. You know, I feel a lot of that
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: is not actually orientated, is it? A lot of it?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: What I mean is you know, the going loud as
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: we call it up at age. But most people don't
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: realize that. What they don't see is that the pure
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: hard work getting cold or being completely you know, or
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: getting really hot out in the desert or the jungle.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's I think someone said, is
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: that you know, as I said, most of the time
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: you're just preparing for when the action comes along. And
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: when the action comes along, it's you know, it's only minutes,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: you know. Still, yeah, the soldiering is is hard, is't it,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: Chris is very very hard, you know. And and as
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: I said, most of the time I remember the soldiern
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: just cold, just wet, just miserable, and and just saying, well,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: there's a job to be gone.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to get on it.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think also, Dez, the role is rapidly changing though,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: because I mean, I think ours was the last generation
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: of the kind of Second World War soldier where you
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: put cam krem on, you've got your kit together, you
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: went out in the forest or the or the nature
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: or the moors. You blended in with the environment and
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: you you know, you try to get as close to
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: the enemy as you could without getting hurt and and
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: get get back back again. Now you can't really do
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: that because any any opponent can have a drone with
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: a with an infrared camera on it or a heat
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: heat seeking camera. And I think it's what I mean.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: I've had several people on on the on the podcast
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: that fought in Ukraine and they're all in agreement. It's
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: is terrifying. You hear that that buzz in the air
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: and you know that a drone is seeing you and
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: it's got a grenade attached to it. It's so I
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: really think I think the role of the military is
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: going to Obviously you've still got your places. I mean
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: like Afghanistan is a good example. It was you know,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: they're a kitting equipment was quite rudimentary and they were
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: kind of their spirit. That is what they're well known for,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: isn't it. And the fire fighting off of the foreign
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: you know what what what they'd see as invaders.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I think, yeah, I think you've touched
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: on somebody here, Chris.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Is that Yeah.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: I always used to look at it is that, you know,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: as soldiers had that Second World War British tomic type attitude.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: We didn't we didn't want anything more than what we
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: were given. We didn't expect anything. We really didn't expect
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: getting supplied in the field. And I think when you
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: have that attitude of you don't expect anything, just get
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: on with it, I think you have a different time
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: a soldier, don't You have a different type of attitude.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: And I think you might have talked about an era
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: that comes from the Second World One, And I always
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: called it that that Second World War British Tommy attitude.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: Just giving me equipment that an only right for my
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: equipment whatever. But I don't expect that you're coming to
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: help me. I just need to go out there and
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: do the job. And I think that that's what I like.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: I think about up you know, within the Paris and
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: even in the regiment, is that don't expect any help.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: It's down to you, you know, just get on with it.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: And in a way I quite like that because I
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: knew of limitations and well, you know, this is what
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: we've got to do. You know, no one's coming to home.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: Let's just get on with it. Let's get the job done,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: let's pull together, et cetera, et cetera. Instead of thinking
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: that someone's going to come and win the day for you.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: I think I quite like it that it's just down
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: to us way of doing it. At least you know
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: then that you know what you've got to do. It
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: just gives your clarity instead of relying on I don't know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: let's say armored or thinking about artillery or drones or whatever.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Just get out there, let's get on when it, get
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: the job john, get back, you know. And I think
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: that's a more realistic view on soldiering. I think if
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: you go out into the field on an environment and
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: expect that, you know, let's expect that the chop is
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: going to pick you up. You know. Well, you know,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: I always used to think for most of the times
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: the chopper were picking us up, we were just walking
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: out near anyhow, you know. And I used to think, anyda,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: you know, if a job come along, it's gonna it's
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: going to compromise us, you know, the noise and the
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: side of it, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, it's
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, soldiering is hard, you know,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: it's it's a difficult it's a difficult career into it
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: to be a professional soldier. And as you said, things
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: have changed now. I even think the attitude probably you've changed,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: you know, so, but yeah, changing all the times. I think.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: So the final thing I want to come on to,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: Dez is you're in your escaping evasion phase. You've been
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: out there roughing it, getting cold and hungry and trying
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: to avoid the Hunter team, and you know you have
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: this kind of It's a known thing, isn't it. You
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: are going to get captured because we need to put
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: you through interrogation and to see what you're worth. Basically, Yeah,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: what I want to get to is the hardness of
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: hanging in there, you know, the sheer physical and mental
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: hardship of hanging in there and not knowing how long
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: it is until endex And then what is it like
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: when you get that tap on the shoulder they take
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: the hood off. Is the guy, like you pointed out
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: in your book, the guy said, it's only me that's
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: going to end the exercise, ignore anyone else trying to
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: goad you into ending prematurely, that's a trap. And when
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: you do that, and I know you is incredibly disoriented, hated,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: and you were like, hang on and I'll seeing who
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: I think I'm seeing.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: And but yeah.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: When you finally realized that's it, you said it was
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: quite vague. You didn't actually know if what am I
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: in the sas? Now, Yeah, can you talk us through it?
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: Because yeah, yeah, it's.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: A pinnacle moment and I hope people out there watching, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: your own pinnacle moments.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: And yeah, just said of saying, you know, it's six
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: months you're on selection. I've talked about the first phase,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: which is on the hills and matt reading navigation selection.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: More guys leave, and then you go on through the
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: jungle phase and more guys leave, and then the last
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: phase is the escaping, the vision and interrogation. Hence the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: six months, And what happens down at that page is
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: that they teach you, okay, how to live off the land.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: The scenario is that if you're behind enemy lines, then
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: you get separated from your patrol. You are now on
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: escape and evade the enemy, and there is a chance
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: that you could get caught and interrogators, so they're testing you,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: but they kind of show you what you should and
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: shouldn't do like that. What. Once they've taught you, they
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: then send you out into the into the field, let's
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: for about a week, and you have a hunter force
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: I remember it was a parent then from chasing us
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: and they have dogs and vehicles and whatever. You and
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: you try to survive for a week of ten days
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: out in the wilderness and then eventually you know you're
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: going to get captured anyhow and get put in the
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: pen as they call it. And that is approximately thirty
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: six hours possibly forty eight hours of interrogation and and
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: and what I've said, I've been on their own. Now
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: I got captured and I'm in the pen, and it's
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: very very real, even though you know you're going through selection,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: it's they actually make.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: You feel that this is for real.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: This you know, the things out antil you go, WHOA,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't expect that sort of thing. But but what
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: and finished If you're in the pen and they have
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: a hood over your head and they put your stretched
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: positions up against the wall cross like on the floor,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: you can't see anything. You have a muff which is
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: cast white noise which is like a radio otset and
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: it must have then it's loud and you can't hear anything,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: and they like. And what they do periodically over that
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: couple of days is that they take it from the pen,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: from that stretch as if you can drag you into
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: a room and you get interrogated and it's been your delegrations.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: If you like the good guy and the bad guy.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: You know, you have a lady.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: Interrogate you and they offer your food and they're trying
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: to get information from you. And it has to be
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: very very real, you know, and you know you you know,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: in some cases you'll get knocked around a little bit
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: beat up, kicked stuff and have it disorientation and they likes.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: But before we went in and we actually went onto
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: the escape and evasion phase as a saber period, it's
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: it's general of a period of about six weeks or
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: so a month, and then that it accumulates into the
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: last week ten days and then you get tested in
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: the pen. And before we went in, we had a
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: major on on training wing that says please unless you
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: see my face, and I said to you there it's finished,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: it's all over. Don't get caught by anyone else, Okay,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: that's so basically, when you see me and I say,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: it's done, it's finished, it's done, it's finished. Does everybody
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: understand yes, So, but you can appreciate, you know, you've
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: you've you've been disorientated, you've been running around for.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: A week, ten days.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Now you're in the pen and a lot of things
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: are happening to you. At this particular stage, all of
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: a sudden, I get dragged into this room, and I
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: think I'm going to get interrogated, because what it used
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: to do is drag your in, sit you down, and
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: then just whip the hood off your head, and you'd
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: see the interrogator there. And but this particular time, I
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: saw the major there and he just said to me, okay,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: that's it. But all of a sudden is that your
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: mind plays tricks with them because you've kind of been indoctrinated,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: so that everybody is lying to here, you know. And
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: and and I'm looking at him and and and I
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: could see on his face and it's funny. I'm looking
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: at him and I'm thinking, I know that guy, but
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure who it is, you know. And and
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: he's going right finished. Of course, he's not getting anything
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: out of me because I'm doing the usual thing. I'm
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: not going to touch anyone that I don't know. I'm
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: not going to tripope. I'm on selection, I'm going through interrogation,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: et cetera, cetera. And he's looking at me and he's
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: posing and he and he you know, he's he knows
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: what's going off. He knows it's taking time for it
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: to register, okay, And he's going dead And I'm looking
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: at her and I'm not saying anything, you know. He goes, oh,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: don't oh, finished your through by that? And again I'm
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: not saying anything. And then swing to him in mind,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: hold on a minute. I remember him saying, you know,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: and he he is the guy that he's the head
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: of selection, if you like, the instructors, the main instructor,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: if you like.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, no, he won't con us. He's actually
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: said to us, when you see me, it's finished. And
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: then he said dead, Are you okay? And I said, yes, boss,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: I'm okay. He goes, good, what's.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Going happen now? He says, you're gonna have a chat
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: with the doc. He says he's going to chat you over.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: He is going to ask you some questions. Make sure
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: that your physical okay, mentally okay, and then he says,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: we'll get some food done. You're okay, And and it
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: was a very unusual feeling because the the doc come
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: and he asked me some questions that one feeling and
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. And he said, you know, do you
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: know what time it is? I remember giving him the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: time and he goes, well, and I was the only
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: back two hours out okay, over over a period of
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: how many days? And and and he says, oh no, well,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: don't like sort of thing. And he said anything you
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: want to ask me? And I said to him, what's
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: what's the endy mune us? And he said no, no,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: there were no music. He said that was your mind
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: playing tricks and and I said, yeah, it was the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: you know, was the were you sending signals to me,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: you know through the because I thought I could be
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: a most code and whatever you know? And uh and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: he said no no.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Chris, can you still hear him?
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: Make can you? Yeah?
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Is all it was come up on the screen then yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah and and.
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  Speaker 3: And he actually said no, he says, actually mind playing
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  Speaker 3: tricks again, because when you've got the white noise, Chris, uh,
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  Speaker 3: And you know you and you're in stress positions and
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  Speaker 3: you're not feeling good, and what you tend to hear things.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was hearing music. I thought I was
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  Speaker 3: in more code. I thought I could hear people speaking
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  Speaker 3: to me. And at some stages I was the lucinating
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  Speaker 3: because you go me out sleep, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 3: sleep properly. For over a week, I kept falling and
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  Speaker 3: bashing my head on the wall when I was in
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  Speaker 3: standing up stressed positions and on the ground as well.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes you feel that someone's come in the room
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  Speaker 3: and they're talking to you, you know. And I actually
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  Speaker 3: said to him, did anyone come in and start talking
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  Speaker 3: to me? Because now he said, no, it's that's your
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  Speaker 3: mind playing tricks again. So what it was at that stage?
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  Speaker 3: Then he said, right, go and get some breakfast. And yes, Chris,
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  Speaker 3: answering your question, it's all of a sudden, is this
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  Speaker 3: feeling that you just go, Wow, you know I've actually
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  Speaker 3: done it. I've actually you know, achieved possibly you know,
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  Speaker 3: a lifetime ambition that I didn't realize that I had.
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  Speaker 3: And and people said, you know, what did it feel like?
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  Speaker 3: And I remember talking to me mate, because people come
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  Speaker 3: out at different times and you go for breakfast, and
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  Speaker 3: I remember having a bating sandwich and egg damwige and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I said to him and your cross match.
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  Speaker 2: You know, did you hear this? Did you hear that?
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  Speaker 3: Did you? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I said, wow, I think we're actually you know where?
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  Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I'm wondering what the coming years are going
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  Speaker 3: to bring. He goes, yeah, I wonder. And I always.
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  Speaker 2: Remember back to that then was that I said? You
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  Speaker 2: know that, I said, I wonder what the coming years
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  Speaker 2: are going to bring?
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  Speaker 3: And that was I had twenty years in the Athas
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  Speaker 3: Regiment and and and I remember reflecting thinking, well, I
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  Speaker 3: never thought it was going to join the military the Paris.
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  Speaker 3: I never thought tell I was going to join the
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  Speaker 3: SS and I certainly didn't think I was going to
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  Speaker 3: stay there for twenty years within the SAS. And me
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  Speaker 3: and my mate we went to the same squadron, and
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  Speaker 3: we used to talk all the time when we used
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: to bump into each other over the years. I remember
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  Speaker 3: and Philly things I said, after selection, Yeah, what the
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  Speaker 3: coming years are going to bring? Des And he says,
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  Speaker 3: but I'll tell you someone I'm enjoying myself for you, afaid, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm loving it. You know. So as someone said, what
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: did it feel like? I said, well, probably it feels
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  Speaker 3: like it was civilian and if you like, and I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: don't mean that to be the robason, but it's probably
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  Speaker 3: like winning the lottery, you know, with anybody knowing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm in the regiment that nobody knows about it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it feel it felt like I thought, oh,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: this is how people might feel.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: When they win a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: I know that they've achieved everything that they wanted to achieve,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: and that money and you know, they can buy whatever
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: they want sort of thing. I'm thinking, now I'm in
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: the regiment and now I'm going to move on and
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: do all the things that I wanted to do. So
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: answering your question, I often reflect back to that time
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: when I come through selection. I know I've mentioned it
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: in the book, where I kind of do a big,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: you know, sigh of relief and think, oh, wow, I've
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: done it. I've actually done it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's it's a strange feeling.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: You have to pinch yourself because you know, you get
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: doubts all the way through, but to actually make it
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: to you know, it's like climbing every sense it I
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: suppose you know, you actually think I don't know whether
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: I can do this, So when you actually do it
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  Speaker 3: and you get there, it's just a magnificent feeling.
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  Speaker 2: It's a f and that I don't think it has
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  Speaker 2: ever been match Chris, you know, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely days. On that positive note, I'm going to thank
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: you very much, wish you all the very best with
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: your book. I've been showing it on the screen s
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: as my trial by fire. Great read, great great read. Folks, Deys,
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  Speaker 4: We're going to put your social media links below the
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  Speaker 4: video so people can get in, you know, keep in
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  Speaker 4: touch with you. And yes, thanks very much for coming
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  Speaker 4: on the show again.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Chris, it's been a pleasure. I've really enjoyed the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: chin wag to then. That's what it feels like. It
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: makes having a drink and just having a chim wag.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: And I hope that your audience has enjoyed it. I
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: know last time, I know quite a few people reached
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: out to me, so I know you've got a book,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: a good bunch following you, So a big thank you
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: to them that are tuning in giving you support. And
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: also support for me and the book, so a big
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: thank you to them, and once again, thank you very
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: much for having me on today.
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  Speaker 4: You're very welcome mate. Thank you. Just stay on the
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  Speaker 4: stay on the line desk so I can thank you properly.
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