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Ep.252 'Countdown To STA South West Conference with speakers Michelle Lyons & Siobhan O'Donovan' · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the Sports Therapy Association podcast, putting evidence
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back into soft tissue therapy.
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Music.
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And we're live. Hey people, welcome to episode 252 of the Sports Therapy Association podcast.
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My name is Matt Phillips, CorreoDiOF1ChatLive.com. and as
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always this episode is being recorded live at eight
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o'clock Tuesday on the Sports Therapy Association
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YouTube channel and Facebook page right then
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so with this episode we are going to start the
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countdown to the STA Southwest Conference
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which is happening in Exmouth this September the
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20th and 21st in collaboration with the
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ST School and Hands-On Hub and we're very excited about
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it obviously not all of you are going to be able to make it there and the
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idea is that we're going to start doing these kind of regionally so
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that you don't have to travel all the way across the country and find
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accommodation maybe just trying to make it more accessible for everybody but
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this particular one is going to be in exmouth in devon in the uk so if you can
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make it there it'd be lovely to see you so what we're gonna it's gonna be amazing
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weekend i mean i could tell you it's obviously i'm biased i'll be emceeing the
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two days and i'm doing a presentation myself for people who work with runners.
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And we've got presentations, workshops and networking.
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So what we're doing over the next four weeks starting tonight is we're going
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to have some of the speakers as guests on the podcast.
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So you can hear from them, what they do, and a kind of little look at what they'll
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be delivering at the conference and what you can take away if you choose to
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attend their presentation or workshop.
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So we're going to start off very shortly with my special guest tonight.
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If you're watching this live and you can see on YouTube, my guests tonight are
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going to be Michelle Lyons, women's health physiotherapist and founder of Celebrate
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Muli Ebrity, and also Siobhan O'Donovan.
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Aka the booby physio. I saw the word booby, they just threw me.
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But anyway, aka the booby physio, and founder of Posture Fitting,
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both of who have been on the show before.
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So hopefully some of you will be already aware of these two great educators.
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And then next week, just to let you know what's coming up, it's going to be
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a Wednesday, not Tuesday, next Wednesday on September 3rd at eight o'clock.
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My guests are going to be Dr.
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Claire Minchel, who a lot of listeners will be aware of. We have a conditioning
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specialist and founder of Get Back to Sport.
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And also Serena Simmons, charter psychologist and founder of the Psychology
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School, who's also going to be speaking, I'm thrilled to say,
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at the STA Southwest Conference and Hounds and Health Conference in September.
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Then the week after, we have the one and only Anna Maria Matsieri herself,
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director of the ST School, who is going to be speaking, obviously, at the conference.
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She's going to be talking in a little detail about the conference.
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And then finally, looking now at Tuesday the 16th, my guest is going to be speaker
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James Earles, again, who a lot of you are going to be aware of,
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writer, lecturer, bodyworker and founder of Born to Move.
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And that'll take us all the way up to the actual conference on the
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weekend of September the 20th and 21st which I
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should add includes an optional social event on the Saturday
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night it's the weekend that's one of the things when we sat around a large
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table throwing bits of paper in the center we thought should happen
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let's have a weekend conference obviously that doesn't make it easily accessible
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for everybody but hopefully it will allow some of the people who can't attend
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other conferences which are mid-week to actually make it there you can't please
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all the people all the time but hopefully we're reaching out and as I say these
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are going to be regional so follow the ST School and the STA for details on
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where the next ones will be.
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So yeah, there's going to be an optional social event on the Saturday night
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with drinks and a buffet.
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And you'll see when you go to the tickets page that the option of joining us for that is on there.
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Go to the stschool.co.uk, click the education tab and you'll see all details there.
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And remember, if you are an STA member, then you can get a further discount as well.
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If you're listing this for the end of August, there is still a summer discount,
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which can be applied, which you'll see on the webpage.
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But yeah, for any details at all, if you're not sure what's going on or whether
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you can get a discount, then email me, mattatthesta.co.uk, or email,
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go to the ST School and fill out the contact form there.
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Right then so before i
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bring up michelle lyons and siobhan o'donovan i must
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thank last week's guest who was
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megan jackson if you missed it then obviously it's available as always
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on the sports therapy association youtube
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channel or you can download it from any podcast app
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of your preference megan jackson is our
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founder of bodies by merge and she joined me to reflect it's probably
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the last reflection we'll do for a while until after the conference but she
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chose to reflect on past episode 224 social media
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do soft tissue therapists really need it which was
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recorded back in january this year with guests katie bell and daniel lawrence
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megan shares on instagram i would recommend you follow megan jackson i mean
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it's a great episode what i like about megan is she's totally into touch the
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the power that that can bring through massage and helping people relax and at ease and and all the.
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Stuff that comes with it, which we talked about on the show.
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Fortunately, now research is kind of supporting with regards to helping reduce
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anxiety and depression.
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And Anna Maria, when she's on this, doing some fantastic research into the power and touch.
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We're starting to realise now we're putting some mechanisms of action into what
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we all know feels great and how that can form a very important part of healthcare.
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So yeah, Megan does a fantastic job with that. I would encourage
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you to check out stream on instagram which is
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merge massage studio that's m-e-r-j massage
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studio and she discusses on the podcast her personal journey
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to massage and how her marketing on instagram provides about
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80 of her clients which is fantastic for her it works um
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so she gives some great tips on creating quality content
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and leads and also a really interesting section on
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how to prevent burnout is really important as well so yeah
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check it out it's on youtube if you want to watch the video
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or you can find it on all popular podcast apps
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right then oh i'm out of breath to shows
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after summer break just haven't got it there anymore maybe it's just age we're
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here we're starting the countdown it's all very exciting and i'm absolutely
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thrilled to be joined now by two of the speakers from the conference michelle
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lyons women's health physiotherapist and founder of celebrate muley ebrity and
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siobhan o'donovan aka the booby physio and founder of posture fitting you're.
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Music.
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Listening to the sports therapy association podcast,
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evidence back to soft tissue therapy,
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come on get it together i can't i can't i can't i can't i'm here you can you
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can do this you can do this i'm just feeling so old these days thank you so
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much you need to be in the middle then so that we're surrounding you and embracing
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you no i can do that if you really want look there you go,
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with this new system does that show up at your end can you now see i'm in
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the middle it's amazing look at that it's one of the advantages of using what
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i didn't use before oh no that that's horrible i don't know that at all that
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feels like i'm some kind of weird double date thing now i'm moving that back
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the problem is you you you um siobhan you described it as kind of a what did
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you say a Rose between two shamrocks,
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which I thought is very clever, but I put myself in the middle then.
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I just felt like a thorn between two roses.
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Oh, groan. Sorry, but that's what makes me.
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You've been practicing that, have you? No, not at all. It just came up to my mind.
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No, it just came up. That's what I see. I see what I see. Anyway,
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thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
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Pleasure. Thank you for giving up your time. And thank you so much for being
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speakers at this kind of inaugural conference. Really appreciate it.
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I think it looks great. It's a really good lineup, first of all.
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So it's a pleasure to be a part of that.
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But I think there's something very special about getting together in person,
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because I think oftentimes it's the conversations that you have at the coffee
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breaks, you know, or afterwards, or even at the dinner, you know,
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that that's where the gold can often lie as well.
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And the idea is that we'll trigger these conversations and dialogue with our
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presentations, hopefully, and spark a little bit of thought.
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But it's honestly, for me, it's the best part is the chats that you have with
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people, you know, over a cup of tea afterwards, because I think you can find
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out what's actually meaningful and what other people are doing.
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And I never thought of it like that. And that's a really interesting perspective.
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And have you read this paper about it?
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So yeah, I love a good in-person conference. And I think this is shaping up
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to be a really special one.
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And I think as well, the fact that you are going regional is really,
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really, like, that's just so beneficial for people because the UK is so big.
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I mean, I was over there at the weekend and I traveled a million miles just
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between a couple of cities.
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And like, it is quite difficult for people to get to various different locations,
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like the standard ones that conferences tend to be at makes
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sense for Birmingham because it's the middle of the country but then people
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have to travel to Scotland you know so the fact that you're doing regional I
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think it's really just embracing of the fact that people sometimes can't get
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can't travel and the south west I mean I've lived in the south west so I know
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we used to travel down and we'd get to the A13 we'd think we're nearly home
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and then it would take another two hours we were not nearly home
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Because we're right down in Helston. So, you know, you kind of, it is such a long way.
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So the fact that you're bringing it to the people, I think is really nice.
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Really, really impressive. It's really important. We've really thought about
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our involvement in other conferences, which are great.
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And we've thought about, who are we not reaching?
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And we know that an awful lot, for example, of STA members can't make it to
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other conferences. So we thought,
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okay, how can we bring it to them if we can? Yeah, go to the people.
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But it wouldn't be successful without speakers like yourself.
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And and you i know from listening
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to you and speaking to you are going to provide exactly that the stimulus to
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to get people to chat and discuss and reflect and
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that's what the whole conference is about so i'm really pleased you guys are on
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board and coming over from ireland absolutely as well
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flying over there which is we really appreciate it we
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have we are actually looking at bringing it to ireland as well
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so oh great we've got somebody over there who we're looking at hosting i'll
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say yeah nikki mansfield what's nikki said nikki says here oh my god it's double
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trouble of my favorite irish physios is the bandwidth even wide enough for how
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awesome both of these women are okay thank you nikki for summing up thank you nikki.
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With proper tenor later yeah exactly
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brilliant okay right so i
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was just talking off air i mean i know you both i've got the pleasure
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of knowing you both and you've spoken at therapy expo and you've
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been in the podcast a few times but i always hope and pray that
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out of the couple of thousand downloads which we get then the people don't know
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about you because this is all a waste of time and may as well just like so for
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the people listening to the podcast thank you very much podcast downloaders
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yeah maybe starting off with the booby physio shawanna donovan could you let
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us know about yourself and how you got into doing what you do,
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I certainly can. I just have to remind you that I'm the one from Cork,
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so I will be the one that needs to be stopped from talking. We should probably
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have started with Michelle, but anyway.
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OK, so Brief Pricey, originally trained as a PE teacher because I wanted to
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be involved in the sports field.
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That was kind of the only route open to me to be involved in the sports field, really.
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And then having done that and a year
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of what sounds like penance in London teaching, it was actually great.
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I kind of had had developed an interest in
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sports injuries at that point and kind of thought oh what's this all
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about cut to the next level of
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education went to the states did a master's over there did my professional
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certification over there as what's called a certified athletic trainer
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which is a very sports specific qualification worked in
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an amazing orthopedic sports medicine clinic there which was
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very much ahead of its time they had everything on site
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I remember seeing a student the athlete in the morning for
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an assessment and she had surgery that afternoon it was that kind
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of a place and it was in the middle of nowhere like I was in the middle of
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nowhere in upstate New York it was amazing and then
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came back to the UK and kind of I suppose and
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then from the UK to Ireland and began to do
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I think a little bit more work outside of
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the sports field but taking very much that background
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that I had gotten from the states which was very preventive
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so the their their focus over there has
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always because of the way athletics are and when
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I say athletics I mean all sports as opposed to track
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and field they're very much about having professionals
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on board to try and prevent the injuries from happening and that was back in
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the 90s when I think we were probably a little bit further behind over here
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with that kind of a thing so I've always kind of carried that preventive focus
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with me and then ended up just having more and more conversations with people
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about posture and about alignment and, you know.
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The concept of stacking and just how we function better when we are in that
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more stacked positioning.
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And then basically had an epiphany totally out of the blue with having a bra
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fitting done myself, walked out of that place an inch taller than I went in
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physically and psychologically, and then just put the two things together and
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kind of went, you know what, I need to get this to the people.
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Because I just began to see something that I had never seen before.
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I had never looked at it. I was one of the people who had never considered it.
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I couldn't understand how I had never considered it, but it's not anywhere in any of our training.
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And, you know, I mean, I had trained in the US as well as over here,
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you know, so that's why I've kind of gone the route that I've gone.
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So serving patients, but also trying to get more therapists trained into that
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field so that there's more awareness all across the board.
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That's i love the expression yeah what did you say like a centimeter taller
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physically and mentally yeah give it give us a little bit of insight into to
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people who can't understand well how how did just changing your fitting kind
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of have those effects physically mentally so i mean if you think about the logic of,
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breast weight, it is a gravitational pull.
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We're constantly working against gravity and we have to hold our bodies up against gravity.
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And women and girls have to hold up a heavier torso against gravity.
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It is basically that simple.
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And it's harder work, but we do it and these breasts grow with us.
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So we don't particularly appreciate how heavy they are. When we actually look
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at the weight that women are carrying, it's pretty significant.
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It can be up to four kilograms for some women.
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It can be less than one kilogram, but the average at the moment is considered
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to be 750 grams per breast.
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So, you know, that's 1500 grams. That's a fair old bit if you were carrying that around.
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That's like me having a Jack Russell across my chest all day.
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So walking around with the Jack Russell, that's the weight that I,
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my equivalent is a Jack Russell. I have different animals for different sizes.
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This is a good analogy. No, it's great.
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Because it's difficult to understand, isn't it? Even talking about grounds,
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people don't appreciate it.
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But when you say that, if you're going to do a Jack Russell, it's perfect.
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And that makes you think, wow, I need to really think about how I'm holding that Jack Russell.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And to be honest, I mean, when I had my epiphany, it was in London.
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And I was going to the prongs for the first time ever. And I've said since that
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I walked into the Royal Albert Hall. And if they had said, oh,
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our first violinist has been struck down by the flu. Does anybody know how to play the violin?
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I'd have been like, I don't, but I'll give it a go. I'd have gone up there. No bother.
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I just, I honestly felt I could do, I could take on the world.
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I just had this, what I think we're now calling an empowerment,
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just a feeling that I was a taller, taking up more space in the world.
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I think I was just more, more present.
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Whereas previously, I wouldn't have known that I wasn't, you know,
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I wouldn't have felt that I was walking around like this or anything like that.
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But I just suddenly felt I can do anything, I can do anything I want to be able to do.
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And that was really for me. And I know that physically, there are a lot of people
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that we can help physically with what we do.
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And at the time, because I was playing international rugby, I wouldn't have
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been physically in need.
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And that's why I think the psychological side of it hit me so,
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like literally between the, between the, between
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the eyes and in terms of just the
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the impact that it had on me and then then I started to do
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the research because I was like well what why is this why have
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I reached this point in my life I'm an international athlete I am
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a you know I'm a sports medicine
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professional how have I reached this point and nobody has ever ever talked to
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me about my boobs not to mind to say anybody else's but that's when I started
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to do the research and then mind absolutely boggled by what I've read and what
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I've seen and then just picking up on the fact that it has such a social effect on people as well.
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So we've got the physical side, we've got the psychological side and we've got
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a huge social impact side as well.
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So yeah, and that feeds in, they all feed into each other. Amazing. So much in there.
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So much to do with Moolieveryty.
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Isn't everything that matters, really? Isn't everything, it's true.
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Tell us about Moolieveryty, Michelle.
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Yeah, so first of all, may I just congratulate you because I think this is our
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sixth podcast interaction and you just, you nailed it. You nailed muliapity there.
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It was impressive. That's a great word.
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A great word. So muliapity is the art and state of being a woman.
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And I think, you know, Siobhan and I are probably fairly close to being on the
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same page with a lot of what we're talking about in that, you know,
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it's a cliche for a reason, but knowledge really is power.
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And that's why, you know, I'm very excited to be given the chance to talk about
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one of my passion projects, which is better education around that intersection
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of hormonal health and musculoskeletal health.
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So I qualified as a physio over 30 years ago.
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And when I was going through my training, it was all hips are the same,
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all shoulders are the same, all knees are the same.
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And they were all basically based on the male as standard model.
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What we're learning now is that actually our hormonal health as women really
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has a huge effect on our musculoskeletal system as well.
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Whether we're talking about the younger nulliparous female athlete who's never
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given birth, or we're talking about the pregnant athlete or the mother athlete,
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and it was great to see so many mother athletes at the most recent Olympics,
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or even at the master's athlete level.
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And what I'm really kind of interested in is how can we educate women about
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their own bodies so they can start taking charge of this and tuning into their
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menstrual cycle really as a superpower that's going to give them good information.
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It's not a burden. It is actually a superpower. And the American College of
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Obs and Gynae actually recognize it now as the fifth vital sign.
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But when we're working with female athletes who are maybe having recurrent injuries,
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who are picking up all these bugs, who are losing focus, their performance is
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suffering, they're tired, but they're not sleeping.
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Asking very pointed questions and appropriate questions, might I just add as well.
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It's really appropriate whether you're a physio or a coach or a trainer or,
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you know, any sort of bodywork therapist that we ask these questions and we
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really normalize talking about the menstrual cycle because women are not small men.
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You know, we know that our female athletes have about seven times the ACL injuries
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than their male equivalents.
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We're seeing an explosion in the research now about fueling and reds particularly.
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And I have to give a shout out to my colleagues at FIFA because there's just
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been a couple of really exciting papers, I think, looking at postnatal,
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pregnancy and postnatal athletes and participating in football.
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It's a great time to be doing this, to be working in women's health.
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But you know what I, as I said before, knowledge really is power.
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And it's to give those patients who are having these recurrent niggles,
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just the power to say, well, could it be overtraining?
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Or could it be actually the early signs of low energy availability?
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Could it be heavy menstrual bleeding, maybe driving a little bit of iron deficiency
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and somebody's on the path to anemia, or if they've lost their cycle altogether,
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you know, so those are kind of the things we'll be talking about.
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Either it hurts, there's too much of it, or the menstrual cycle's gone away.
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And they each have their own kind of patterns of dysfunction that I think as
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people working closely with female athletes, we need to be able to spot.
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So it's about pattern recognition and then what can we do to help them,
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to help them get it back and to help them live better and perform better.
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Fantastic. Siobhan, you're nodding away there. Would you like to add something to it?
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Do you know, I quote Michelle all the time. I think one of her most,
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if this is your legacy, I mean, you've a huge legacy, but the word me-search,
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I just think is the best word.
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I mean, she's brilliant at wordplay, clearly with the muliebrity as well.
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And it's not wordplay, but like discovering these words, like I don't,
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I didn't know what that word was. I love it.
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But I just think the concept of me search is so
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vital and I think it's it's also
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a really interesting thing to see that happening now with
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people being so much more comfortable with that concept of learning a little
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bit more about themselves and also advocating for themselves and at the moment
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we're we're we're getting in which is absolutely lovely we're getting in quite
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a lot of mother-daughter consults so they're coming in together which is and
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I actually had a situation where,
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The mom was expecting the daughter to be embarrassed and the daughter was not the embarrassed one.
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You know, the mom was kind of like, oh, are you OK with this?
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And she was like, mom, yeah, I'm fine.
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You know, this is this is normal, you know. And it was interesting,
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really, because mom was would have been in her maybe 40s.
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So the generation where we were less inclined to discuss things or we were less
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inclined to talk about things are, you know, you've got some of those taboo
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or taboo in my in my world.
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Kind of words and and concepts and
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topics and i think the likes of michelle
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having kind of really pioneered so much
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of this women's health field well i mean look you have i do think there's a
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bit of a pelvic health irish pelvic health mafia because i remember when i first
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got into the women's health field i was like gosh and that's another irish person
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who's doing amazing things and another irish person so i don't know how that's
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happened but um but we have so there's lot of shamrocks, Matt.
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There's an awful lot of shamrocks. And long ago they rang. It's good work.
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What I love, I mean, I could, the reason I just say, what do you want to say?
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Because I could listen to you forever. It's wonderful.
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But one of the things I really love about what both of you do and a lot of my
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guests is hopefully what listeners, what listeners can get out of just these
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tiny little tweaks with their patients, just asking simple questions,
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just getting to think about something which they hadn't thought about before,
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probably haven't thought about before, can make a huge difference to not just
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performance, but pain, lower back pain,
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psychological motivation, desire, you know, on a huge kind of scale.
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And this is so empowering and it's really empowering for massage therapists
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because we've kind of discussed before massage therapists, and this is you,
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the listener, if you're a massage therapist,
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are probably the first point of contact for a lot of people who need to hear
23:18
the kind of information which you two so wonderfully give.
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And because they're probably coming in because they're fed up in pain,
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lower back pain, shoulder pain, neck pain.
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And some of the factors which they're not considering is the sort of stuff which
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both of you kind of educate therapists.
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So do you find that with massage therapists? Is there so much they could learn? I do.
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And I find like I'm all about multidisciplinary collaboration,
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because I think that's the way forward.
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That's how we serve our patients or our clients better, is talking to each other
23:47
because we're all and then we're all sailing in the same direction.
23:50
But it's it's again, like just to kind of return to that theme of,
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you know, it is different for your female clients versus your male clients.
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Let's say again, with back pain as your example. so if
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you've got somebody who's dealing with recurrent back pain yes
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you're of course you're going to screen them for red flags but make sure
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that you're adding in some female specific factors there not
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just the menstrual cycle but also are they having any difficulty you know are
24:16
they having any bladder leakage are they having any difficulty having a bowel
24:20
movement every day because those can be signs of overactivity in the pelvic
24:24
floor and we have lots of studies showing that for women with back pain,
24:28
dysfunction in the pelvic floor, which can often manifest as either bladder
24:33
leakage or constipation or pain with sex, all of these things are more strongly
24:39
female-centric drivers of low back pain. So we need to be screening those out.
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We also need to look at stress as a driver of female-centric back pain.
24:47
You know, we've lots of good studies looking at that, but also breath work.
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So it's about, yes.
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Zooming in on the problem in front of you,
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but also then remembering there is a whole person attached to that spine,
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to that pelvis and taking their story because we are actually at a little bit
25:05
of a crisis point about keeping girls and women in sport and physical activity.
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You know, the numbers of girls and women in the UK particularly,
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I just was looking at some some research
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it's about 30 percent of females in the
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uk are meeting the recommended daily activity level
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so 120 minutes a week into strength training sessions
25:27
and we need to make sure things like inadequate
25:31
breast support ladder leakage period pain or period concerns we need to make
25:37
sure that these are not barriers to participating in physical activity in sport
25:42
because if you are not laying down your optimal bone strength by the time you're
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in your early 20s, that ship has kind of sailed.
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If you're not setting up good patterns of physical activity where you're enjoying
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it, I mean, we know that it's so important for our mental health throughout the lifespan.
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We now know that physical activity can be as effective as medication or talk
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therapy when it comes to managing depression and anxiety.
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We know the social cohesion that it provides.
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But also, most women who end up in C-suites will have participated,
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like Siobhan, at sport at a high level as well.
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So the ripples are enormous when it comes to, and I said ripples,
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Siobhan, just for clarity.
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Because I know where your mind went. It's just so, so important on a societal, on a,
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you know, We look at these clearly identifiable barriers to not only getting
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in sport, but staying in sport.
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And we need to play our part in making sure that we're educating girls and women
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to live their best lives.
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And I think just to reinforce that as well, Matt, some of the removals of those
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barriers are so simple that they've actually been overlooked.
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And I mean, I very much find that with the work that I'm doing is that,
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you know, we know we have research showing that the poorly controlled breast
27:13
movement is one of the reasons why teenagers drop out of sport.
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So we can sort that out. We can very easily sort that out by giving them not
27:21
just a sports bra because that's not good enough.
27:24
The conversation does not need to be about sports bras. The conversation needs
27:28
to be about Optimally fitting sports bras Because there's no point in putting
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on a sports bra That doesn't fit well Because you may as well just not have bothered So it's about.
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The education behind that and and
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even with the likes of you know some of the issues with
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periods and I can remember this happening actually with a girl that I played
27:47
with like the Irish girls now are wearing navy shorts
27:50
they're not wearing white shorts anymore you know and that's
27:54
a huge step and that's like for I mean given everything else that's gone on
27:59
over here with the camogie you know the fact that they were that they said that
28:03
they wanted to do that that was passed it It's kind of like almost a breath
28:07
of fresh air that it was almost allowed without there being a big fuss and a big hoo-ha about it.
28:12
I think the England girls have chosen to stay in white because that is their colour.
28:19
But I think it's going to be interesting to see if there's a difference even
28:23
in terms of some of the international selection situations.
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That there may be some girls who may be lost to some of the sports that are
28:31
still wearing white shorts. as opposed to, you know, just having that.
28:35
It's about being in a safe space. And when you're playing your sport,
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you want to be fully safe and fully considering what you're out there for.
28:45
So you want to be thinking about the ball. You want to be thinking about your opposition.
28:48
You want to be thinking about getting down the track before the other people in the lanes next to you.
28:53
We did some work with a football squad and one of the girls,
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she was 14, and she came out with this herself.
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Like she wasn't, this wasn't prompted at all. and she said
29:02
she throws the ball in from you know from the sideline and that she would literally
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throw the ball in and then have to adjust her bra because it would have moved
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so she'd be back running on the pitch spending you know what's that a nanosecond
29:14
sorting herself out instead of following the ball that she's just thrown in
29:18
and stuff like that and she recognized that and she was 14.
29:22
It's abstraction isn't it it's just we don't want girls distracted by these
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very easily modifiable confounding factors.
29:30
Because if you're thinking about your bra, if you're thinking about did I start
29:34
my period, you're not thinking about the game.
29:37
Exactly. Exactly. And you've got to be on a level playing field,
29:41
literally, you know, in terms of you have the same level of concentration as
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everybody else on the field.
29:48
There should be no reason why you don't have. And like Michelle said, they're so modifiable.
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Now there are other situations that are a bit more complicated but
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I think one of the things that we've done as a as a
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health care profession and I would say this you know kind of across all the
30:04
all the disciplines is that sometimes we forget the simple solutions because
30:08
we are busy looking for the complex ones and sometimes it's right in front of
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our eyes and we just need to take a step back and review things reframe it you know.
30:19
Great examples. And there's so much in there on, again, on a therapist level,
30:24
just especially, for example, with younger athletes, for example,
30:27
if the parents are saying, oh, she doesn't like playing anymore,
30:29
you find out they don't like playing anymore.
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And you can ask some simple little questions just to see like what color kit
30:35
do you wear or something like that.
30:36
And you can change the life. you could maybe yeah
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quite quite literally yeah quite literally and
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it is like schools i imagine quite a lot of schools still automatically go
30:45
for white gym kit it's still probably an awful lot of schools and
30:48
they just it's not because they're trying to be nasty it's just because it's
30:51
tradition and no one's actually said nobody's nobody's actually stopped and
30:55
thought about it and it is it is that longer impact it's not just about keeping
30:59
them in sport right now it's where that takes them in their 20s in their 30s
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in their 50s in their 60s so it is a lifetime potential.
31:09
Influence you know at this at a very impressionable age
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very simple we see with a
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like i used to do the warm-ups for the brighton marathon
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and you'd have the younger runners doing shorter distances and up to kind of
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like 11 and 12 girls were taller anyway and just looked more mature and just
31:26
together with it the boys of that age kind of dribbling and still trying to
31:29
do other shoelaces the girls look great and they were just elite they were just
31:32
like gazelles and then suddenly like the over 13s came along and you just went,
31:37
Where have all the girls gone? What's happened? It's all guys.
31:39
It's so sad. What are the factors for that?
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And everyone blames kind of Instagram and kind of like.
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I don't know. It was happening long before Instagram, to be honest.
31:50
And I just think, yes, I mean, that's another layer, I think,
31:53
of social pressure that we're putting girls and let's be fair,
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boys. but we're going to keep it female-centric for now.
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But I think it's just, as Siobhan will tell you, if you are not well-supported
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from a breast perspective, if you're worried about leaking, if you're worried
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about getting your period and about it showing.
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There's a lot of peer pressure at that age from the social perspective.
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You don't want to stand out. You want to be just like
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everybody else and it just it's
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it can be a very intimidating space to be in but
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I think there's a whole I actually think the benefit of things
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like Instagram and TikTok now is what I'm seeing now when
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I go out and I talk to to girls you know different sports clubs this whole generation
32:38
of 13 and 14 year olds are far more matter of fact about it than even five or
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six years ago and it's like well you know like it's just if I strain my calf
32:48
I'd be talking to you about that
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so I'm going to talk to you about this as just as well, just as easily.
32:53
And it's so refreshing to see that and to see that confidence as well as body literacy emerging.
32:59
I mean, yeah, we've a lot of work still to do, but it's the attitude around it is changing.
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And I think it's because we're seeing a lot more exposure to women's sports,
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you know, particularly with the Rugby World Cup that's going on at the minute,
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with FIFA, with the work that they're doing.
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But we're seeing it, I think in almost every sport, whether it's athletics or
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golf or swimming, it's across the board.
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Women's sports is definitely having a moment. And women's,
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Now that we have role models that we can see achieving these,
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you know, you can't, what's the saying? You can't be what you can't see.
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We now see strong, powerful women achieving and getting their plaudits for us
33:39
and getting their financial rewards as well.
33:41
So instead of aspiring to be a WAG, now you want to actually be the athlete. Yeah, absolutely.
33:47
That's really true. And I mean, I think the other thing is, it's getting younger and younger.
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So like when the dropout rate used to be kind of 15, 16, and now it's down to the 12s and the 13s.
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And it's down to, you know, it is, it is.
34:05
And again, their social situation is different as 11 and 12 year olds and 14
34:10
year olds now than it was 20, even, you know, 10, 20 years ago.
34:13
So certainly they've got a lot more peer pressure and there's a lot more distractions,
34:20
I guess, as well for them.
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So for us to be able to make it a simple situation for them to stay in that
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activity is also really important.
34:29
And I think there's also a huge appetite for learning.
34:33
Like these girls want to learn. They want to know how to be better athletes,
34:38
how to be better players, how to, you know, And not even because they're aspiring
34:42
to be at a high level, just simply because they're interested.
34:47
Like I've gone into schools and expected there to be a lot of giggling and sniggling and there wasn't.
34:52
They were all really engaged and, you know, and again, not in any way embarrassed
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in the way that I think 10, 15 years ago, there'd been a lot more of that going on, you know.
35:02
That's good. That's encouraging to hear. That's optimism. That's nice rather
35:05
than complaining about the modern generation.
35:07
And, you know, it's actually there's potential there as long as the adults around
35:10
them kind of wise up and change their attitudes as well.
35:13
That's good. I really like that. You can't be what you can't see.
35:16
That's amazing. And also instead of aspiring to be a wag, that's great.
35:19
Yeah, that's great. Very cool. But, you know, when I was playing club rugby,
35:24
we had, and so we were reminiscing over the weekend about this,
35:27
we didn't have spectators, so we couldn't get sponsors.
35:32
And because we didn't get sponsors, we didn't get the media.
35:34
And because we didn't get the media, we didn't get the spectators.
35:37
And because we didn't get the spectators, we didn't get the sponsors.
35:39
So, you know, it really has just turned that corner where all of those things
35:44
have started to feed into each other.
35:46
And so that visibility has absolutely exploded. And it's just so lovely to go to the games.
35:54
And I'm talking about all the games that I've been to, not necessarily only
35:57
rugby, but just to see the number of kids down at the, you know,
36:02
the fences afterwards waiting for autographs.
36:04
And it's not just girls at the women's sports games, it's girls and boys.
36:10
And I think that's really important. I was really disappointed with the Lions,
36:14
the last Lions game, the men's game.
36:16
They brought the players out and all the players had, you know,
36:20
the young lads, sorry, the young players with them, which is a brilliant opportunity
36:24
for those young players, but it was all boys.
36:26
And it was like why have you not got why have we not brought
36:29
out some girls surely there's some girls in sydney and and
36:32
then the next irish women's game that i was just happened
36:36
to be an ireland scotland game and they all had boys
36:38
and girls with them and it was like why are we thinking about that in women's
36:42
sports and the men's sport didn't consider that to be important enough you know
36:47
so i had a bit of a moan at the lions oh well deserved it yeah and that's great
36:53
It is the little things like you started off saying, so little things can make massive differences.
36:57
Fantastic. Gary Benson has said, confirmed, good evening all.
37:01
Hopefully we would like to come across to Ireland in the autumn 26 or early
37:04
spring 27. I'll be speaking to our regional reps next month, which is fantastic.
37:08
Excited. And Cecily Hislop says, having recently started a couch to 5K thing
37:12
and joined the FB group, the topic of sports bras is a big thing.
37:17
You just reminded me actually, Siobhan, you mentioned kind of it's not about
37:21
getting a sports bra, it's getting a well-fitted sports bra.
37:24
Can you give me one example of where maybe women or young girls are going wrong with sports bras?
37:30
What is a badly fitting, what's the most common mistake people make?
37:34
Well, the most common mistake made is not wearing one at all.
37:39
That's that's the starting point and then and then
37:41
when people and again this is you know coming
37:44
through social media or coming through facebook groups
37:47
or coming through conversations with people when somebody says
37:51
oh i need to go and get a sports bra or i am going to you know kind of maybe
37:54
take this activity a little bit more seriously you're going to do it more often
37:58
then there is the okay what do i do where do i go there are now a million sports
38:05
bras on the market i mean it is just, it has exploded.
38:10
And it's, I think it's very challenging for somebody, I would have found it
38:15
when I was, you know, when I was young and playing.
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And if I was now going, okay, I need to get a sports rep, where do I start?
38:22
I think it's really difficult, unless again, you have done your research and
38:26
you have learned how to look after yourself.
38:30
And that's where I think very much, we are all about educating
38:33
people to be able to fit themselves so there
38:36
are criteria of best fit which have been done through some
38:39
of the research studies the papers that have been done mostly out
38:42
of the university of portsmouth but some also out of australia as well
38:45
so you can go online and you can
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you can google criteria of best fit and you can find
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out what they are for a daywear bra and for a
38:54
sports bra but basically the the key thing for a
38:56
sports bra is it's a higher level of engineering because it is expecting
39:00
you to be moving and what we know is that breasts
39:02
move in three planes so they don't just move up and
39:05
down which is what everybody thinks and everybody just thinks it's up and down
39:08
and bounces this way but we move in and out and we move anterior posterior so
39:13
it's actually a figure of eight and so when you're getting a good sports bra
39:18
you want that sports bra to be considering all of those activities so when we
39:22
walk there's about 33 3% in each direction of those planes of movement.
39:27
When we run, the vertical component does go up to 50%. So that's where that focus has gone on to it.
39:33
But you're still talking 27% of the AP and 22% medial lateral.
39:39
So we still want to be supporting that.
39:43
And again, one of the things that's happened is that there's this concept of.
39:48
That'll be fine. They'll be grand. Just wrap them down and we'll be grand.
39:53
And that is not the answer because A, we don't know what that's doing.
39:58
At the moment, we don't have research long-term showing if that's damaging to breast tissue.
40:03
But, you know, you can't imagine it's great for it to just be kind of compressing
40:07
the breast because you're also spreading them around here across the body,
40:11
which is the opposite to what we're doing with a well-fitting day wear
40:13
bra and also then from a gravitational perspective but
40:17
also it's what it's doing to breathing if
40:21
somebody is in the the default with
40:24
a sports bra is that somebody will buy something too small which
40:28
is the opposite to a day wear bra and particularly if they go and get
40:30
fitted in somewhere using an old technique which is
40:33
unfortunately still out there we see a lot
40:36
of women in in day wear
40:39
bras that are too big in the band and therefore
40:42
they're too small in the cup but in sports bras we
40:44
see the opposite a lot where somebody has just gone for a
40:48
smaller band and probably a smaller cup
40:50
if it has a cup at all and these ones that go over your head and
40:53
you know are all kind of just about clinging and keeping everything again kind
40:58
of strapped down but if that doesn't allow somebody to expand their rib cage
41:01
then their breathing mechanics are being affected so there they are out there
41:06
doing their best to do their activity and they're not doing their activity as well as they could do.
41:11
And that has impact on their performance, but it also has impact on their pelvic floor.
41:18
And it has impact on their musculoskeletal health because then they'll start running like this.
41:23
Or if they're poorly supported and they're still not supported in the other
41:27
planes, they'll be running like this.
41:29
And we see this, like you'll see people running along the street.
41:32
And I always think, firstly, fair juice to you, you're out there running and
41:35
well done, or maybe walking fast or whatever.
41:38
But if somebody is doing this and holding themselves, then their whole running
41:42
style is completely and utterly being, you know, being affected by inappropriate muscular activity.
41:50
So that's affecting performance, but it's affecting pain. It's affecting their
41:54
willingness probably to continue participation. So they just won't enjoy it
41:58
and they'll stop, not to mention potentially leaking.
42:02
Yeah, I think particularly, you know, just to build on that point,
42:05
you know, with our postnatal women, especially, because if they're breastfeeding
42:09
and they're trying to get back into exercise, they're potentially having some
42:12
pelvic floor issues. There might be a little bit of diastasis concern going on.
42:16
They've maybe lost a little bit of thoracic rotation anyway,
42:19
because the rib cage can go up and out about four centimeters towards the end
42:23
of pregnancy, and it doesn't necessarily come back down by itself.
42:26
So you put all of that together and now instead of being able to rotate around
42:31
the running gait, they're going up and down more.
42:35
So now they've got more of a ground reaction force to deal with.
42:38
And their shoe size has probably gone up during pregnancy as well.
42:42
And maybe they're wearing a slightly ill-fitting shoe, which means that their
42:45
foot and ankle aren't absorbing weight.
42:47
Ground reaction force as well and that's going to
42:50
come out through the pelvic floor so we stop exercising
42:53
because it doesn't feel good and it's making
42:56
us you know it's making us leak it's it's very uncomfortable we're starting
43:00
to pick up niggles and and that that could literally be the end of somebody's
43:05
journey with exercise and physical activity because it's a busy enough time
43:09
anyway and what we're seeing is not only are they then losing out on the physical
43:13
health benefits of that.
43:15
But the mental health benefits of exercising postnatally are,
43:19
it's just that the research around this is really, really interesting.
43:24
The benefits of ideally being able to leave the baby at home,
43:27
well cared for, and you going out on your own to exercise has been shown to
43:32
be remarkably supportive of postnatal mental health.
43:35
And so anything we can do to facilitate that, we have to look at.
43:41
So whether we're talking about, you know, obviously a well-fitting bra that's
43:44
appropriate for the task at hand, but also maybe some compression shorts,
43:48
making sure that we've got good foot, ankle mobility and strength.
43:52
We've got a properly fitting shoe.
43:54
We're maybe wearing some compression shorts to elevate that bladder neck.
43:58
And she's able to enjoy it and get back into her body again,
44:01
because, you know, for the past nine months, she's literally been,
44:05
you know, carrying a passenger.
44:07
And I think it's a really important kind of re-entry phase into normality that's
44:11
often overlooked and the mental health burden of that is quite significant.
44:15
And in turn that's going to affect the children. Oh yeah.
44:19
Because if the kids are seeing mum and dad or dad out there enjoying activity
44:26
then the kids are more likely to be active.
44:29
But whereas when you get that woman who has kind of just gone oh it's just too much hassle.
44:33
I just can't be dealing with this and has chosen to go down the road of,
44:38
oh, I'll do it later. I'll do it when they're older.
44:40
I'll do it when they are in school.
44:43
I'll do it when they are in college. And it never happens because it's so much
44:47
harder to get back into it once you've fallen off the wagon.
44:50
Like it is, it is, it is more challenging. And particularly then,
44:54
you know, I mean, again, Michelle has some wonderful phrases.
44:58
And the other thing that I always hear her saying in my head is about how exercise
45:02
at menopause is a non-negotiable and just how vitally important that is.
45:07
But it's really hard to start. Yeah.
45:12
At menopause because there's so much other
45:15
crap going on and to try then and
45:17
carve out that time for yourself and to
45:20
have the energy to find and
45:23
to find an activity that you enjoy because there's all
45:26
sorts of things going on with people's kind of confidence levels
45:29
and their you know their willingness again to go out
45:32
and to be social or even down to driving anxiety not
45:35
wanting to drive somewhere you know there's so many again more
45:38
barriers being placed in the way so if we can create
45:41
that environment from the get-go where
45:44
they where the teenagers are happy to
45:47
continue and they miss it if they don't and
45:50
they prioritize it though as well Siobhan you know that it's it's a non it is
45:53
a non-negotiable at that age for them that this is just it's a core part of
45:58
their identity and then they can keep that the whole way through so we want
46:01
to get them there and we want to keep them there the whole way through for the
46:04
rest of their lives yeah and then And it is about there will be different barriers.
46:08
So what can we do to remove those barriers along the way?
46:12
Even to things as simple as I was in a health club in the UK yesterday and they
46:17
had play pens in the changing rooms.
46:19
Now, I hadn't seen that before. I mean, maybe they have them in all the gyms nowadays. I don't know.
46:23
But literally, as I was there, a woman walked in with her baby,
46:26
put the baby into the play pen, got herself changed.
46:29
She didn't have to be trying to hold the baby while she was getting changed.
46:32
You know tiny simple things like that that just make it an easier thing to do how do we get to that.
46:42
I'm just hearing so many it's so exciting i'm hoping
46:45
that listeners are realizing sitting there thinking oh my
46:48
god there's so many more ways i can help my clients there's so many more ways
46:51
and i'm hoping the guys are thinking i could become an expert in
46:54
helping female clients i can be the only guy on the block who's actually thinking
46:56
of these things and who's asking these questions yeah because you don't have
47:00
to be i mean you don't have to be a female therapist to talk about all of this
47:04
at all you know just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean you can't
47:07
mention it that's not what empathy is about it's just showing understanding and listening and and.
47:12
Giving some advice. And it's interesting, you know, and like Michelle said,
47:16
like it's really important that we have this multidisciplinary kind of environment where people are,
47:21
you know, I've always wanted somebody else to do deep tissue massage for me
47:26
because I've always known that there's a limit to how much my hands can do because
47:30
of everything else I was doing.
47:32
So I've always been in that kind of interdisciplinary environment.
47:36
And that was very much from the clinic that I mentioned that I worked at in the States.
47:40
So I think that's a really important situation because also,
47:45
you know, when somebody is having a deep tissue massage done.
47:49
They are probably having conversations that we might not have time to have because
47:55
we might be focusing on something that doesn't allow that level of interaction
47:59
or that level of conversation, or,
48:02
you know, we might be doing something that does allow a different level of conversation.
48:05
So it's just about all of those situations are all going to be potentially beneficial
48:12
from an interaction perspective.
48:14
And how can we then all feed into each other with that? I mean,
48:18
it's just communicating, isn't it?
48:19
It is, but it's also, it's bringing another level of depth to the conversation
48:24
that shows your client or your patient that you get it,
48:30
that you understand there's a little bit more nuance than just kind of rubbing
48:34
out a trigger point, you know, or telling them that you're breaking up adhesions,
48:38
you know, and kind of like using terminology from the dim and distant past.
48:43
It actually shows that you see them as a person, but you recognize their specific
48:46
needs and their issues. And if.
48:50
If it's outside your zone of genius, you say, well, look, I have a colleague
48:54
who I know is great at this.
48:57
You know, it might be a good idea to go talk to her about getting a good sports bra fitting done.
49:02
I think that would really help with your thoracic, with your scapular,
49:05
with your shoulder pain.
49:07
Or, you know, I have a really good pelvic floor physio that I could go see.
49:11
And similarly, I can say, well, look, I have a personal trainer I can refer.
49:15
To who's fantastic with postnatal rehab.
49:17
I have you know I have any sort
49:20
of body worker like you know massage is magic you
49:24
know just to be able to lie there and have somebody kind of you know
49:26
there's a reason that we've been doing this
49:29
for thousands of years to each other when we're
49:32
scared or when we're injured or we're sore because
49:36
it just it connects to us on a very deep level where
49:39
it's not just about the issues and the tissues it's about
49:42
having that little bit of connection as well so it's it's all
49:45
of the above plus again just
49:48
recognizing those extra factors that could
49:51
actually make the difference in getting your your
49:54
athlete let's say back into performing at their top
49:57
level instead of just kind of chasing chasing hamsters
50:00
everywhere yeah amazing so
50:04
much so much in there i don't think we need to
50:07
talk about the conference now i mean if you want to hear more than these two coming
50:12
on massage
50:16
because I'm nodding away like that yeah yeah
50:19
yeah no fantastic but we will
50:22
and for people who have joined in are interested in the conference so I've
50:26
just brought up on the screen for those of you who are watching YouTube this
50:30
is Michelle's presentation so the menstrual detective why the fifth vital sign
50:35
might be the missing link in MSK health for female athletes and that is going to be on uh.
50:43
Just check, I can't actually see the... There we go. Saturday,
50:45
September the 20th in the main theatre, because we've got two rooms.
50:48
We've got a main theatre and we've got a breakout room for workshops and more practical stuff.
50:52
And that's 3.55 on the Saturday, which hopefully, fingers crossed,
50:55
gives Michelle time to arrive from Ireland. So that's why it's placed there.
51:00
But yeah, so tell us, Michelle, why is Michelle not in there?
51:02
Let's put Michelle in there now and sort that out. Actually,
51:05
let me go to the next one first of all.
51:07
We'll bring Michelle back in a sec. Siobhan O'Donovan is going to be Bits and
51:11
Boobs and Bumps and Babies, which is going to be on the Sunday,
51:14
September the 21st in the main theatre, nine o'clock to 9.40.
51:17
The title Kaiser gives away a little bit, but Siobhan, what do people who attend
51:21
that, why would you recommend that they attend that? What are they going to
51:24
walk away with without giving too much of it away?
51:26
Yeah, so it's really just looking at that biopsychosocial impact of breast weight,
51:31
but also looking at it, I suppose, across different phases of our lives,
51:36
but also different kind of different systems.
51:39
So we're going to be looking a little bit at pelvic health, keeping in mind
51:42
that Michelle will have spoken the day before.
51:45
So just kind of, you know, not obviously reinventing the wheel,
51:48
but just looking at how pelvic health is affected by breast weight and then
51:53
looking at how, again, very much the focus being on breast weight during these phases,
51:58
you know, what happens to the breasts during pregnancy, what happens to the
52:01
breasts during the postpartum phases.
52:05
And again, just kind of as we talked about a little bit, already just trying
52:11
to help people to navigate those phases so that they can then get back into their activity level.
52:17
Fantastic. Amazing. I mean, and the wealth of it.
52:20
And like we say, these presentations, it's not going to be a case of people
52:24
just staring at you for 40 minutes, listening and trying to write everything down.
52:28
They're gone to those days where
52:30
if you see the STA involved in something and the ST score, no, no, no.
52:33
You're going to be around, because I know because I'm kind of planning it,
52:36
but this could be round tables with notepads in the middle and the speakers
52:40
are going to be interacting,
52:41
asking you to kind of come up with ideas, be interactive, so that we really
52:44
do kind of present the learning circle as it's supposed to be.
52:49
So, yeah, so exciting. We won't give any more away than that. Oh, will we?
52:53
Can I just say I'm going to have two lovely assistants with me.
52:57
Oh, it's true. Shout out to them. Tell me who they are.
53:00
So Kate Wilsmore, who is based in Plymouth, and
53:04
Helena Costiff who
53:06
is a pelvic health physio who is yeah she's going
53:10
to be there on Sunday Michelle she can't make Sasha unfortunately but
53:13
yeah so so because Helena is a pelvic health physio and she's going to kind
53:18
of go into that side of things a little bit more and Kate has actually just
53:22
recently experienced the bumps and babies bit herself so so we're just I'm just
53:27
kind of bringing them in for their for their own zones of genius do love that as well,
53:32
Fantastic. Superb. Sorry, Michelle, I lost you there for a moment.
53:36
It's my fault, technical thing.
53:37
But yeah, let's go back to, yeah, Michelle.
53:40
So you're going to be there Saturday, September the 20th in the main theatre,
53:43
3.55pm with the menstrual detective, why the fifth vital sign might be the missing
53:47
link in MSK health for female athletes. Exactly.
53:50
So I'm going to be talking about, you know, basically what we need to know working
53:54
with people in the musculoskeletal zone.
53:58
What is the influence, first of all, of the menstrual cycle?
54:01
What are the questions we need to ask? And what are some of the red flags we need to be aware of?
54:05
You know, whether it's, again, as we talked about, like iron deficiency or anemia,
54:09
because that can lead to recurrent injuries, but certainly kind of spotting
54:13
the signs of things like REDS before they become disasters.
54:17
And oftentimes, bladder leakage is actually one of the first signs,
54:21
along with the missing periods of REDS.
54:23
So we want to be able to kind of spot those things before they get to the point
54:26
of bone stress injuries or worse.
54:29
So it's just understanding the menstrual cycle,
54:32
how it's going to affect muscles, tendons, joints, and of course, bone health,
54:36
and really empowering therapists to ask the questions,
54:41
but then to also know what to do with the answers fantastic really
54:45
cool and and for male therapists and female therapists
54:48
oh absolutely gosh yes definitely fantastic and
54:52
then both of you are going to be involved as well in
54:55
the women kind collective panel which is
54:58
on the sunday at 9 45 in the morning in the
55:01
main theater and that's where also being on the show jinty sheeran and lou hawkins
55:04
thompson who are the hosts of the women kind collective spill the tea podcast
55:07
are going to be joined by Michelle and Siobhan for a panel that's going to explore
55:13
the language bias and cultural taboos that shape women's health experiences
55:16
and how clinicians can play a pivotal role in reframing these narratives.
55:21
That's going to be awesome having you all together on one panel,
55:24
whether we can keep it to 45 minutes.
55:29
I'm looking at that. You sound nervous already. That's just ridiculous.
55:34
Don't be planning that. Anyway, so yeah, fantastic. We're
55:37
looking forward to this brilliant right time is
55:40
rushing on but just to remind you that if you're listening
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55:45
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Look at that, 859. Fantastic. That's precision podcasting. I told you I'd manage
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it, my two roses. Not a problem at all.
56:38
Not a problem at all. Thank you so much. I mean, I can't wait to listen back
56:42
to everything you've said. I couldn't take it all in. That'd be impossible.
56:46
I'd be superhuman. But you came up with so much great information,
56:48
which as always, it's just so empowering.
56:51
There's so much in there which empowers the clinician, which is what it's all
56:54
about. Because if the clinicians are empowered, then they can say all of this
56:57
and have the confidence to help their clients and patients, which obviously
57:00
is what it's all about. So thank you so much.
57:03
I expected no less, but it's amazing. I'm hoping the listeners have got out
57:07
of it as much as I have. So thank you.
57:10
Always a pleasure. Yes, likewise. And we're going to see each other not that long away, isn't it?
57:15
It's less than four weeks now. I know, it's really not that far. This year is flying by.
57:21
Certainly it is. It is so fast. But anyway, if you have enjoyed the show,
57:25
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57:38
so i don't forget listen out for the celebrate muliebity podcast as well which
57:42
michelle i haven't thanked you enough having me as a guest on the show i don't
57:45
know what caused you to do that i got such good feedback from that chat you
57:49
really i think you you dropped some some knowledge bombs there so yeah lots
57:53
of good feedback about that It was nice to be in the opposite seat for a while.
57:56
But yeah, check out Celebrate Mouliébité podcast for loads more information on there.
58:01
And check out the other, I don't know, five, six, seven episodes on here with
58:05
either Siobhan O'Donovan, the booby physio, or Michelle Lyons of Celebrate Mouliébité.
58:09
Loads of free CPD there. Stop sending me emails saying, I need CPD. It's there.
58:14
250 hours of it for you, for free.
58:16
Plus, of course, all the courses and things. Siobhan, what have you got?
58:19
Just to mention courses at the end, what have you got running at the moment
58:21
or coming up which listeners might be interested in?
58:23
Yeah, so I run a workshop which is called Gals Against Gravity,
58:27
which is basically just to kind of raise awareness about the concept of breast
58:32
weight as an issue for women and girls of all breast sizes.
58:37
And that's also really important that it's not just a larger breasted issues.
58:40
All of these consequences of poorly supported breast weight will happen to people
58:45
regardless of their size.
58:46
So my introductory workshop is very much about raising that awareness,
58:51
but also I can't be doing with awareness without some level
58:54
of action so it's about knowing then what
58:56
you do with that awareness and how you can then signpost people and
59:00
then following that if it's um a situation that
59:03
kind of is is appropriate for people in terms of their clinics and
59:06
so on i then have the next level of training which is to offer
59:09
posture fitting as a service so that's where we can offer
59:12
the the actual service where
59:15
we're looking at somebody's posture looking at their bra fitting and then
59:17
combining the two so that they're getting internal support as
59:21
well as external support so they go from dipped headlights to
59:24
high beam and can sustain the
59:26
high beam because that's also you know a situation that isn't
59:29
sustainable if it's one thing or the other so that's that's
59:32
kind of the two the two trainings that i do but the the gals
59:35
against gravity is kind of something that i do over
59:39
the year when i've got enough people who who want to do
59:42
it i have a waiting list of about 50 but i'm quite
59:45
happy to kind of just roll it as people want it so that's.
59:48
Great and full details at posturefittingphysio.com not
59:52
just for physios is there kind of an entrance oh for everybody
59:55
anybody who works with women and girls and and
59:58
you know and or anybody who just is interested in it it doesn't yeah no it's
1:00:03
very much and it's very narrative it's not a deep anatomical course at all it's
1:00:08
very much looking and looking at the research looking at the evidence and and
1:00:12
yeah just really looking at the sequelae so yeah fantastic we'll make sure details
1:00:16
for all of that go into the show links.
1:00:18
But yeah, posturefittingphysio.com. Have a little look and you'll see details
1:00:21
of that. And then Michelle Lyons, what have you got going on or coming up?
1:00:25
Yeah, well, after the giddy heights of the STA conference, I'll be heading to Pelvicon in Atlanta.
1:00:31
Then I'll be going up to the POGP conference in Edinburgh.
1:00:35
And where else will I be? I have a few other things coming along.
1:00:39
But generally, you know, if you follow my Instagram,
1:00:42
I spill all the gory details there so it's michelle lyons underscore mulierity
1:00:46
and the links to all my online courses all of
1:00:49
everything about women's health that i'm involved in
1:00:52
is is on instagram so that's the place to track me down
1:00:54
it's true and it's yeah well worth following it for loads of
1:00:57
great information thanks yeah and and for
1:01:00
you siobhan where's the best place via the website was there a social media
1:01:03
feed which you tend to yeah i keep meaning to do a to change my name on social
1:01:07
media to the boobie physio but I haven't done that yet so I'm posture freeing
1:01:11
on Instagram and Facebook and and all those all those kind of places and um
1:01:16
and yeah I've got it I've got a couple of talks that I'm,
1:01:20
that are coming up, one in Cork. And Michelle, I just want to say we have renamed
1:01:25
Edinburgh. It's now Edinburgh.
1:01:30
I see what you did there. That's how the Scottish pronounce it. They'll say Edinburgh.
1:01:37
There you go. That is very good.
1:01:43
I've been dying to use that special effect.
1:01:48
I just set that right up. for you didn't it wasn't
1:01:51
even planned amazing thank you so much you two really appreciate
1:01:54
it and a wealth of information i can't wait for people
1:01:58
to listen to this podcast thank you as well everybody who joined us live really
1:02:01
appreciate you guys joining live and asking questions and showing support if
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you are interested in joining live then all you've got to do is come along to
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the sports therapy association youtube channel or facebook normally on a tuesday
1:02:11
but remember that Next week, it's actually Wednesday.
1:02:15
So join me if you can on Wednesday,
1:02:22
the September the 3rd at 8 o'clock, still 8 o'clock on a Wednesday. And I'll be joined by Dr.
1:02:27
Claire Minchell, a rehab and conditioning specialist and founder of Get Back
1:02:30
to Sport, and Serena Simmons, who's charter psychologist and founder of the
1:02:33
Psychology School. A lot of you might not have heard of fully.
1:02:37
She's really starting to put out some amazing information on Instagram.
1:02:40
So check out the Psychology School in preparation for that. if you're coming along for the live show.
1:02:44
Some really great information coming out with regards to behavior and coaching
1:02:47
and everything, all the little hidden skills, which we think we've got or we
1:02:51
don't actually really have, which can make us an even better therapist. So check that out.
1:02:55
Right, we're done. Thank you so much, Michelle, Siobhan.
1:02:59
See you next month. Yeah, oh, that sounded so strange. How wonderful. I can't wait.
1:03:04
Right, amazing. Thanks so much. And we'll see you soon. Take care, everyone. Bye.
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Music.