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Mata Hari - Exotic Dancer, Spy & Original Social Media Influencer · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

0:05
SPEAKER_00: Hello everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode of Dirt Nap City.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a guest but interesting dead people.
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SPEAKER_00: My name is Alex.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm here with my friend Kelly.
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SPEAKER_00: Kelly, what's going on today?
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SPEAKER_01: Hey man.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know it's Friday.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm happy about that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um hanging out with you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's always Thursday here at Dirt Knap City.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're right.
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SPEAKER_01: It's Thursday morning, 7 a.m.
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SPEAKER_01: It's 7 a.m.
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SPEAKER_01: But I'm still hanging out with you, and I like that.
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SPEAKER_01: And if if I'm in your ears right now, thank you for letting me into your ears.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Very intimate kind of uh medium that we have here.
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SPEAKER_00: Like giving a haircut.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Shout out to uh a couple weeks ago, our uh the Del Sassoon episode.
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SPEAKER_00: Heck yeah.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: Alright, well, today um I'm going out of my lane a little.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Just a little though.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, in that I'm gonna talk about a lady today.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the ladies.
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SPEAKER_00: One in particular.
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SPEAKER_00: This is somebody that I guarantee you've heard of, but I but just like our kind of our our wheelhouse is people that you've heard of but don't know anything about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, and and I think until we started this, I didn't realize how common that was for people that you maybe knew one thing about, or maybe you didn't know anything about, but they're like kind of an avatar for something or a shortcut for something.
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SPEAKER_00: You've heard the name, but but the name means something.
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SPEAKER_00: Like Benedict Arnold, for example.
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SPEAKER_00: You might not know anything about uh any details about Benedict Arnold, but you know that's shorthand for a trader, right?
1:47
SPEAKER_00: Somebody who betray betrays you, right?
1:49
SPEAKER_00: Or yeah, yeah, or a Judas, right?
1:52
SPEAKER_00: Or Ein, yeah.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Einstein.
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SPEAKER_00: Like you yeah, smart guy.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're a smart guy, huh?
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SPEAKER_00: You're an Einstein, a regular Einstein.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, our lady today definitely fits that mold where her name is a shortcut for something, so a kind of person, but you might not know anything about this person or even what year or what nationality or anything about her.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna can I take a guess?
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Because the way this works, folks, is I don't know yet.
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SPEAKER_01: Even though you know, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna say prima donna.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a good one, but I think that's just a Latin word for uh first lady.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'll give you some more clues.
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SPEAKER_00: This might not help, but way to preface that clue for me.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: This is completely useless, but I'm gonna tell you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yours are the ones.
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SPEAKER_00: You're like, her middle name is, and she had nine brothers and sisters.
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SPEAKER_00: Why can't you guess?
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SPEAKER_00: Um so she was born in the Netherlands in 1876.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh that right there shouldn't help you.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it doesn't.
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SPEAKER_00: You probably don't know her as a Dutch person.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
3:08
SPEAKER_00: She died in France in 1917 at the young age of 41.
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SPEAKER_00: Marie Antoinette.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, 1917.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, 1917.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh the next clue may help a little.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: She died by being executed by a firing squad.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: Um next.
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SPEAKER_00: Her name is synonymous with being a femme fatale.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, a femme fatale.
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SPEAKER_01: So she she was uh very attractive and she was able to get her way through her looks, through her haircut.
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SPEAKER_01: That that buffant she was rocking.
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SPEAKER_01: Um French femme fatale or uh or a Dutch French femme fatale.
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SPEAKER_00: My favorite femme fatale of all time is probably Catwoman.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Like the especially the the 19, you know, one from the TV show, the six the Earth Kit uh Catwoman.
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SPEAKER_00: That's great stuff there.
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SPEAKER_01: Or the Ju Julie Newmar Catwoman, even better.
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SPEAKER_01: Was Barbara Eden a femme femme fatale?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh I thought so.
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SPEAKER_01: She's my favorite.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh you got me, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh she died by firing squad.
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SPEAKER_01: She was a femme fatale.
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SPEAKER_01: The words mean femme fatale.
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SPEAKER_00: She was shot for being accused of being a spy.
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SPEAKER_00: We are talking today about Matahari.
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SPEAKER_01: Matahari.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, I did not know that name.
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SPEAKER_01: I've never heard that.
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SPEAKER_01: You've never heard Matahari?
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SPEAKER_01: I I've heard the name, but I hadn't I had no idea it was even a person.
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SPEAKER_00: Like when Batman would say to Catwoman, get your hands off of me, you Matahari.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: Really?
5:05
SPEAKER_00: That used to fascinate me.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: On uh when I used to watch that show, Lancelot Link about the secret agent chimps.
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SPEAKER_00: There was a character in there called Matahari.
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SPEAKER_00: That was a female chimp that uh seduce all the voice.
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SPEAKER_00: A fimp.
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SPEAKER_00: A fimp fatality.
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SPEAKER_00: So you the name Matahari is barely recognizable to you.
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SPEAKER_00: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually thought that was like a Indian um like an Indian uh um well, maybe I'm thinking of Maharishna.
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SPEAKER_01: Or Ma I I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: No, totally, totally new territory.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, I think you're gonna be interested in this story.
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SPEAKER_01: This is like this is like uh Dietrichsson Zaharius.
5:50
SPEAKER_01: Um babe Dietrichson.
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SPEAKER_01: I no idea who that was until I heard your your your stories about her.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: So tell me about Matahari.
5:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's it's very interesting woman here.
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SPEAKER_00: Her her full name was um Margarita Zell, Margarita Zell.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh her family called her um um Marit.
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SPEAKER_00: So we'll call her Marguerite until she becomes Matahari.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: Um she was Dutch though.
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SPEAKER_00: She um despite um the name Matahari, where you might think she's uh Indian or from that part of the world, she was actually Dutch and was always Dutch, and even DNA testing always showed that she was nothing but Dutch, although she was um part of her whiles, part of her uh appeal was that she had a real exotic look.
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SPEAKER_00: But we'll get to why that was in a case.
6:42
SPEAKER_00: She came from a wealthy family, her dad owned a hat factory, and as we discussed in the Vidal Sassoon episode, late 1800s.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: If you own a hat factory, man, you're printing money.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody's gotta buy a hat, right?
6:56
SPEAKER_00: Matt is a hatter.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: So you got you got that hat money, you're doing good, but went bankrupt in 1889.
7:03
SPEAKER_00: Then he had to have his hat in hand.
7:05
SPEAKER_00: Dude, as we're approaching the 20th century, people are wearing less hats.
7:08
SPEAKER_00: Ah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Fewer and fewer hats.
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SPEAKER_00: So her parents got divorced, then her mother died, her father remarried, everything fell apart, and she was sent to live with her godfather.
7:19
SPEAKER_00: So I guess this was common where the parents would divorce, one of them would die, and then the one would remarry and they'd be like, Well, I'm gonna have a new family now.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: Bye.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're out of here.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go live in an orphanage.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: I love the way that when you look online about this, it always says, and and I love, I don't know if you've ever been to the Netherlands, but they have just a cool language, and all the words are just kind of like Dr.
7:47
SPEAKER_00: Seuss kind of words.
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SPEAKER_00: But it always says that she was sent to live with her godfather, Mr.
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SPEAKER_00: Visser in Sneak.
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SPEAKER_00: And I love the idea that she went to live with Mr.
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SPEAKER_00: Visser and Sneak.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, Mr.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: Visser in itself is a great name.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the fact that there's a town called Sneak S-N-E-E-K is just cool.
8:07
SPEAKER_00: So she went to live with Mr.
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SPEAKER_00: Visser and Mr.
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SPEAKER_00: Visser and Sneak.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: Well, um McGreet studied to be a kindergarten teacher, but um, so she was like 14, she went to school to be a teacher, and the headmaster was flirty with her.
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SPEAKER_00: In fact, she was caught topless in his lap.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and back then, if you're caught doing something like that, you're the one that gets kicked out of school.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: No, that's not his fault.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: It's your what in bloody blazes are you doing, lass?
8:43
SPEAKER_00: It's not it's his, it's your fault for trying to entice him.
8:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: So um her godfather removed her from school, and um, so that's like she was trying to be wholesome, and then that happened, and so um, so she's kind of floating around uh the Netherlands, and she was 18, so now we're at 1894.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: When she was 18, she was reading a Dutch newspaper, and there was an ad in the paper uh by this guy named Rudolf McLeod.
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SPEAKER_00: He actually went by John, um, but I like Rudolph better.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, he was a 42-year-old uh army captain, Dutch army captain, and he was looking for a wife.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, back then, you know, there was no um, you know, um dating sites, dating apps, or anything.
9:39
SPEAKER_00: So if you need a wife, what are you gonna do?
9:41
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna put an ad in a paper, right?
9:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:43
SPEAKER_01: Um first of all, that'll prove that they can read, right?
9:47
SPEAKER_01: So there's one there, you're you're up in your game by getting a smart lady.
9:51
SPEAKER_01: She reads the paper.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, this is a paper I like to read too.
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SPEAKER_00: So I mean, yeah, there were no dating app.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: What are you supposed to do?
9:57
SPEAKER_00: This is like that song, If you like pina coladas.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: Kind of, except for they hadn't met yet, and he was just looking for a wife.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh the ad said he was looking for a girl of sweet character with the intention of marriage.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Um she likes getting caught in the rain, too.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, she likes getting caught on the lap with the uh with the headmaster at least.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh so I don't know about sweet character, but um she thought she'd take a chance.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh he was stationed in a place called the Dutch East Indies, which today we notice Indonesia.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but Indonesia at the time was uh ruled by the Netherlands.
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SPEAKER_00: Um they called it the Dutch East Indies.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh and if you know anything about Indonesia, it's just a s it's just a like hundreds of islands out um together.
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SPEAKER_00: There they form Indonesia.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: Right.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: It's on the inner part of Nisia.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: Then there's out Autonesia.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's he's 42, she's 18, throws out an ad in the paper.
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SPEAKER_00: She's like, yeah, I don't really have any options on anything good going on here.
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SPEAKER_00: My family's not really um, you know, I'm just out of my own, can't go to be a teacher.
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SPEAKER_00: Very few options for women back then.
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SPEAKER_00: So she heads to Indonesia and gets married to this guy.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as as one does.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, he was Dutch upper class, his mom was a baroness, and um I don't know what all those titles mean, but I think if you piece together enough Dirt Knapp City episodes, you'll figure out what counts and barons and uh noblemen all are.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: But right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: There will be a test at the end of all this.
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SPEAKER_00: So so he had money and he was in the military, and um he lived on they lived on the east side of an island called Java.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: You've heard of Java Indonesia, right?
11:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh that's where all the good coffee beans come from, I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so they lived on on that island, and they had two kids, uh, a boy and a girl.
12:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's it.
12:04
SPEAKER_00: That's the story of Matahari.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody lived happily ever after.
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SPEAKER_00: Um they lived a great life in Indonesia.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: If only it were that simple.
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SPEAKER_00: But you know, when a story comes out, starts out with a guy putting an ad in the paper for a wife, you know that's not gonna end well for anyone in the story.
12:20
SPEAKER_01: There's yeah, there's gonna be some uh some blowback.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, our boy Rudolph was a bit of a loser.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh um he drank a lot, would get abusive.
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SPEAKER_00: He blamed her for him not getting promoted in the military.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Of course, it's her fault.
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SPEAKER_00: He openly kept a concubine.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: That's how the that's how they did in Indonesia back then.
12:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so you know, when the Dutch came there, they're like, Well, it's part of their culture.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: What uh it's you know, what else am I getting?
12:48
SPEAKER_00: Even though you're destroying every other part of their culture, you're keeping that part, right?
12:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that one that one works for me.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: That one works for me.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: So in uh the Dutch East Indies, you know, when in Rome, um, so he openly kept a concubine.
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SPEAKER_00: Um at one point he got transferred to a different city, um, different island, but he left the family there.
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SPEAKER_00: And at that point, like in the when she was writing letters at home, she she said she changed her name name, she started calling herself Matahari.
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SPEAKER_00: And Mata, it's M-A-T-A-H-A-R-I, two words, Matahari, and um that's a um Malaysian word for eye of the day, or which is what they call the sun, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So we're roughly it's translated to the sun, or maybe a more poetic way to talk about the sun.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: So she started calling herself that.
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SPEAKER_00: So she was like I said, when she was writing to friends and family, she was kind of going in that direction.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, don't call me um McGreed anymore.
13:53
SPEAKER_00: My name's Matahari.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, she finally joined him on that other island.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but then in 1899, our kids got sick.
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SPEAKER_00: Now I they it's it's uh nobody really knows what they got sick of, but one uh thing that people think is that both of those kids had gotten syphilis when they were born from her, and she had gotten it from the guy with the concubines.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so he gave his wife syphilis, and then back then, if you didn't treat syphilis, you could pass it on to your children um when they're born, you know, in utero.
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SPEAKER_00: So and then you have syphilis like for the rest of your life, I think, if um, or at least back then.
14:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then the way to treat syphilis, because I think it was pretty painful.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: I think the way to treat it back in the late 1800s was by mercury, by giving you mercury, as you can imagine.
14:55
SPEAKER_01: That's you mean like a topical thing, or you you ate it or you drank it, or I think you drank it, yeah.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh just like crack open a thermometer and so they claimed that it wasn't syphilis.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: They claim that uh an irate maid, like a disgrunt or one of Rudolph's enemies, poisoned their their supper.
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SPEAKER_00: Um who knows?
15:22
SPEAKER_00: But um, they both got very sick, and um the girl survived, but the two-year-old little boy died.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so um that was pretty tragic.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: So this is her son.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: She had a son died, yeah.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: So the the the the uh little girl lived.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: They moved back to the Netherlands after that, and they got divorced.
15:45
SPEAKER_00: Um he never paid any child support.
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SPEAKER_00: Like he's a rich guy, he never paid any child support, and when one time when the they had like visitation, and when the daughter went to visit Rudolph, she never came back, and Matahari didn't have the money to fight it.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: So basically, she had no nothing, right?
16:06
SPEAKER_00: She didn't even have her family anymore, she didn't have any kids, any money, nothing.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: So she did what any of us would do.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: She pulled herself up by her bootstraps and moved to Paris to join the circus as a horseback rider.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Wow, okay.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing in my uh research of Matahari that shows that she had any kind of horseback riding experience prior to this, but maybe uh in Indonesia, she um rode horses, she was married to a rich um military guy.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
16:35
SPEAKER_00: That's plausible.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: But she went to Paris and she joined the circus as a horseback rider, and she called herself Lady McLeod.
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SPEAKER_00: Remember, that was uh Rudolph McLeod was her husband.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: Um the McLeod family, who was like, you know, royalty.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Actually, they were Scottish royalty, not Dutch royalty.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: That that name McCloud is Scottish.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: It is Scottish, yes.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: But um, but so they were from like a line of Scottish royalty, but then emigrated to Netherlands at some point.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, they didn't, the family didn't like that.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: This, you know, lady was calling her circus call her using the name, yeah.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know But it seems like that'd be better for like a tightrope walker or a trapeze artist.
17:15
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's funny that she went by Matahari, but it her stage name was Lady McLeod.
17:20
unknown: Right, right.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Her name was McGill, and she called herself Lil, but everyone knew her as Nancy.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: Um so by 1904, she had turned this act into this new thing called exotic dancing.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh now, exotic dancing was was a new thing.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: When I say new, I'm sure strippers are as as old as you know, one of the oldest arts around.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: But this idea of kind of having like a um uh an upscale version of stripping.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: It's it's burlesque.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what they would call it now.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: But burlesque is like almost like no, I don't think it was burlesque, because burlesque almost has like a wink to it and kind of like a body humor to it.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Is this a little more like belly dancing, maybe?
18:13
SPEAKER_00: No, I think it was more um, but along those same lines, like somebody exotic comes out and does like a very sensual, erotic kind of uh dance.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's anything funny about it, but it also wasn't like uh a very uh low class.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't um Tina come to the main stage kind of stuff.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: It was um it was like mysterious and with you know uh classical music, you know, and um done it at at real legit places, like she would dance at like these mute like museums, you know.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: Like the kind of thing you would see in a James Bond film.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: Actually, there was a um there was a Mata Hari type of character in one of the James, well, every James Bond movie, basically.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but in Casino Real, that's the one that's like a like a uh spoof of James Bond, right?
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Um there was like somebody um I think her name was like Mata Bond, and she was supposed to be a uh a daughter of of James Bond and Mata Hari.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: Like uh okay.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: Um Mata Bond.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: But uh she was uh she performed in 1905 at the um Musée Guimet, and uh which was a museum in Paris, and then she became an overnight sensation.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Um she became the mist also the mistress of Emile Guimet, who owned the museum.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, and her act, what she would do is she'd get out there and she would pose as a princess from Java.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: Because she had lived in Indonesia, she knew like all of the cultural stuff.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: She was like one of the first cultural appropriators, right?
20:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she took all of this and social media influencers, it sounds like yeah, total.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: She would take all of this uh Indonesian cultural stuff and she would use it in her act, and she claimed that she was this Javanese princess, um, and she would go out there and she would strip.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, people would take pictures, uh photography was kind of new back then.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, and her husband would use those like nude pictures to keep her daughter from to to to keep her daughter from her.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: Like you're a sinner, so you can't be a parent.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: So like if like I'll show these to the police if you try to see your daughter kind of stuff.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Um would interact, she would take off one article at a time until she was just down to like a breast piece with jewels on it.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: In fact, museums uh now they have like Matahari exhibits where they'll show like all the stuff that she used to wear, very ornate things.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: She was actually self-conscious about her small breasts, so she didn't take that off a lot.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Although one time her act in her act she came out naked on a white horse, uh kind of combining the two.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the horseback riding and and uh okay, but everything else except her the breastplate was usually come off.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it was like you know, quote unquote respectable exotic dancing for rich people.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: The clientele were always rich people, right?
21:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, the the you know, the politicians and the military people of the day.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: It was considered art.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: I think they would tell you that.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that the rich people would tell you that.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, and she really sold the East Indies thing.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: She really leaned hard into the um exotic stuff.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: Um there's photos of her?
21:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what's the other thing?
21:58
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, there's lots of.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Pictures.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, if you Google her picture, you will see somebody that isn't conventionally attractive, I think is the best way to put it.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Like um, she she kind of has a severe look to her.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, but you could see how people would not know that she's Dutch.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: She had very dark features.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, if you want to Google her picture just now to kind of see what she looked like.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: In some pictures, she looks like the comedian John Lovitz.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Um not conventionally attractive, but you could see how if she was good at dancing, that she could be a uh uh uh somebody's cup of tea for sure.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she looks she does not look Dutch, that's for sure.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of pictures of her.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she was very famous.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: She was she got to be very famous and a millionaire.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, and the funny part is these newspapers would like give reviews of her performance.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: So it's not like going down to the local strip club.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: One French journalist said that she was so feline, extremely feminine, majestically tragic, the thousand curves and movements of her body trembling in a thousand rhythms.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: And one journalist in Vienna said that she was slender and tall with the flexible grace of a wild animal, with blue-black hair, and her face makes a strange foreign impression.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, the world was a smaller place back then.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: We didn't always see people from other countries, and even though she wasn't she was European as it got, the fact that she had spent time in Indonesia, she knew that, and I'm using the term exotic, meaning somebody from somewhere else, right?
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she she wasn't something you saw all the time.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: And maybe she was when she was younger, but she made herself into somebody that looked extremely foreign, if you want to use that term.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, she was a millionaire and very famous.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: Her name was actually used for merch, like to they put her name on cigarettes and liquor.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know if she got paid for those things, but like she was a very well-known um sex symbol, I guess you could say, right?
24:27
SPEAKER_00: Femme fatale.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: Not yet.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: She was just a femme.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Now she performed her last show in 1915.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: She started putting on a little weight.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: Plus, she started being a courtesan.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: Now, you know what a courtesan is?
24:43
SPEAKER_00: No.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: I've heard the term, but I don't know.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: I think today we would call them escorts or high high-class hookers.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, like somebody a lot of time you see courtesans like in um when you watch like uh Shogun or some like Japanese uh things, they they would accompany the uh the royalty like in Japan and they were the very like for rich people would have uh yeah, it's funny how the rich people can do the same thing as the poor people and it's classy.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: It has a better name, better name, right?
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right Cortesan.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: But also at 1915, you know, the war, World War I started in 1914.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: So there was, you know, they these places, a lot of them, as the war went on, a lot of these places would lose electricity, and people just didn't, you know, didn't have money to go out and do this kind of stuff anymore.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: So she was winding it down.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: She was getting her money from other places, but her clients were the upper class all over Europe.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: And because the Netherlands was a neutral country in the war, now just to refresh your memory, World War I was basically Germany and Austria-Hungary versus the rest of the, you know, rest of the um the versus the allies, which is like the US and Russia and France and and a bunch of other countries, basically Germany and that area versus the world, right?
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Um and because the Netherlands, though, was a neutral country, they didn't take a position.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, with her passport, she could go all over Europe.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh, so she could go, she could go to Ally or German.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Now there was fighting, so you wouldn't want to go directly.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't want to go like through Ger.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: So when she would go like from France to the Netherlands, she would like go through Spain to get there, you know.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Um safety first.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: But she but when the war broke out, she was actually in Berlin at a sh doing a show, um, which is on the wrong side.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, on the for us, not for the Netherlands, but I guess that's you know, on the other side, and they considered her a citizen of France.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, so the the bank, um, the German bank that she had her money in at the time, they froze her assets and they stole all of her fur coats, and she had a ton of fur coats.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
27:09
SPEAKER_00: So even though she was neutral, because she had lived in France, they kind of considered that so she they took all of her stuff, and she wanted to go to Paris, and she was trying to get back to Paris.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: So the German government told her, Look, we'll let you go back to Paris.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Because, like I said, she's famous.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: We'll let you go back to Paris if you spy for us.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Ah, us be in Germany.
27:38
SPEAKER_00: And she was like, you know, and they offered her a bit of money.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: She's like, you know, they they already owe me for those fur coats.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: Um so um, sure, I'll say yes, because I gotta get to Paris and do my thing over there.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, so she she implied that she would do that, right?
27:58
SPEAKER_00: Then she goes back to Paris and she carries on a relationship now with uh this guy named Vadim Maslov, and he's a Russian army captain.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Remember, Russia was on the side of the Allies back then.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and um he's only 23 years old, this guy.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: Um now she's probably 30 by this time, um, maybe 32.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: He's the she calls him the love of her life.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: Maybe she's even older than that, maybe she's in her late 30s.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and she has a relationship with this guy and she calls him love of her life.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, he goes to fight in Germany and gets wounded, loses sight in his left eye.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: So he's stuck in this um allied hospital in uh in Germany, and um she wants to visit him in the hospital.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: She wants to go to Germany to visit him.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: So a mere uh the exact inverse of what happened before to get to Paris happens.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: There's a group called the uh douzième bureau, that's like the French FBI, okay.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, or the French CIA, I guess, is more like it.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: Spy agency, yeah, national intelligence.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: And they said, All right, we'll let you go see him if you agree to spy for France.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: But there's some people think that they already knew that she had been approached because she, like I said, she was famous, she was kind of under surveillance all the time.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, some people say that they already knew that she had been approached by Germany and they um were trying to catch her.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: So they said, We'll let you go to Germany if you spy for France.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, Sure, I'll do that.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Double agent.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: And their idea was to get to they wanted to get to this guy named he was uh the crown prince Wilhelm.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Now, just to refresh your World War I Germany um history, that this is you know before Hitler and and all that, and he was so Germany had an emperor, and this guy was Kaiser Wilhelm II.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: Right, he was the last last one they ever had.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: Spoiler alert, he was the last one they ever had.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: Um there wasn't a third, but the heir apparent was his oldest son, uh, the crown prince, and she had already performed for him before the war because that's her audience was rich guys, military guys, you know, the people with all the privilege.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: And they thought maybe she could the French thought maybe she could seduce him to get secrets.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: Turns out he wasn't in any kind of position to do that.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: He was he was kind of a loser, he was a playboy, he really didn't know any mil they didn't keep him on the loop of anything, he just was just a rich uh Tommy boy kind of the son of the Kaiser, the crown prince, right?
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, but the German government propaganda um really propped him up as this great warrior and heir apparent.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: In truth, he didn't know anything, and they kept him out of the loop on everything.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: In truth, behind the scenes, he was trying to get hit trying to plotting to get his father deposed by having him declared insane.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh that's another story for another intrigue, another day, right?
31:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and all these people are terrible people.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, the um the uh French uh CIA, uh the uh uh bureau um they um offered her one million francs if she would seduce him, the crown prince, and provide France with good intelligence about the German military plans.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: That's about five million bucks today, just to give you an idea how much they were planning on paying her.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: So she was like, well, she was already a millionaire, but they kept messing with her money and stealing her fur coats, and she, you know, with her background, she had to take money anywhere she could get it, right?
32:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: So she puts the plan in place, she goes to Madrid and asks to arrange a meeting with the crown prince, and then um during the meeting, um there's this um military guy there, Major Arnold Kalla, and um she says, Well, just while I'm here, I'll just let you know that uh I find stuff out about the French all the time.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Um if you pay me, I can give you some French secrets.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: Now we don't know why she said that.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, what her motivation was, if it was money or if she was um trying to play the role of a double agent.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: When I don't know about you, but whenever I watch like spy, I love spy movies, but sometimes with the double and triple agents, I get a little confused.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: Wait, which side are you on?
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Exactly, and and their motivation for doing so too.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes they forget.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think one of the tough things about being a double or triple agent is remembering who you're working for and who you're right, who your cause is, especially if you're not in it for the cause, if you're just in it for the money.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: I would think it'd be really easy to forget what part you're playing at the time.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: So in 1917, this guy Kala, who she who she made the offer to, he's on the radio with Berlin, and he's saying, Hey, we had this um really great um agent, uh, agent H21.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it was this beautiful, exotic woman who used to be a you know a dancer, basically describes Matahari.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: Well, the Douzium's listening to this.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Douziam Biro is listening to this, um, and he's describing Matahari.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: Now the message was in a code, but the code was a code that the Germans already knew that the French had broken.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so they did that as a bigger one.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: And they already knew that they were that she was lit that the jer the French was listening.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: They wanted to make them think that they weren't paying attention, but they were.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: So, right, so just to recap, they're saying, hey, Marahari, or this lady that was, you know, this stripper was awesome.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: She helped us out.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: They're doing this in code, using a code that they knew that the French had a code to, and they knew the French were listening.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Because they wanted, because they were tired of Marahari's act.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: They were tired of her always, you know, they they wouldn't trust her.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the French didn't trust her.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: She was playing both sides.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Turns out during that time, she didn't give Germany any information except like the sex lives of all the French, you know, um military guys.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: They didn't give her anything good.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: Probably pretty good, I mean that, but not of any use to them.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Probably better than the Germans.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: It's probably more fun to listen to, but it was probably like listen to an episode of this podcast.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: It was not helpful in any military way.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: So they let her fry.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: They were like, we don't trust her.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: French didn't trust her, the Germans didn't trust her.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: So who shot her?
35:31
SPEAKER_00: So the just to be sure, the uh Dusien Bureau uh gave they put her to the test, and they gave her the names of six Belgian double agents, and they said, Oh, you know, these guys are working, um, they're just double agents, but don't tell anybody.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, she went back, and um, well, the next thing you know, those guys turn up dead.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: And um, that proved to the French that she was working with the Germans.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, so she got arrested, and she was accused of causing the deaths of 50,000 soldiers in the war.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Like that her spy efforts caused the death of 50,000 people.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: But wait, she got arrested by the French.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, and that was what she was accused of treason, and that her actions during the war were uh direct, uh her were uh you know, and the result was 50,000 soldiers dying.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: At the trial, she said, a harlot, yes, but a traitorous, never.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: Um but she caught being a harlot, yeah.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, hey, you know, um, if the shoe fits, right?
36:47
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: Um at the trial, they they were like, she's not even Indonesian, you know, and they went through this whole line of like her whole life is a lie.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: She's she invented this whole Madahari character to be a spy, and you know, that really wasn't true.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: In fact, it turns out most of this stuff wasn't true, probably, that I've just told you.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, it turns out that at the best, she was maybe a low-level person giving a bunch of non-insignificant information back and forth.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: You're you're talking about as a spy, like all the stuff about her being a performer and a millionaire was true.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: She did not cause the deaths of 50,000 soldiers.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: It's a good thing.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: It turns out she was being used as a scapegoat.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: At that time, French was really struggling, they were losing the war.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: They were exhausted, they were getting hammered by the Germans, and the people were getting really worried, and the French people they were being unsupportive of the war.
37:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they needed a reason for that they were losing, other than the fact that they weren't winning, that they were incompetent.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: So um it's unlikely that one spy could have put France in the position that they were in because they were really struggling.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, but they needed this, they needed a scapegoat.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: So they went all out and destroyed her.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: Um one of the worst things is that Maslov, remember a guy that's you know, lost his eye in the hospital.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: He would not testify on her behalf, and he told her that he didn't care if she got convicted.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: He felt betrayed by her, also.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think looking at this with 21st century eyes, I think the consensus with historians now is that she was naive, easily duped, and she was more of a victim than a victimizer.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: That men took advantage of her rather than her taking advantage of men.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, and she was used as a scapegoat goat for why France was doing so poorly in the war.
39:12
SPEAKER_00: She never once admitted to being a German spy, even though in the newspapers they said she admitted it.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: That was a lie.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: They never she never said that.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: Um in 2001, the MI5, you know, the German um uh agency, they released documents that showed that she was pretty much a low-level spy, and she didn't really give any good information to either side.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: She probably was playing both sides, but she was not very well.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Not very well.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, she was executed by firing squad in October of 1917.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: She uh it was 12, 12 French uh soldiers uh shot her in a courtyard.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: She refused to blindfold.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: She wasn't bound.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, they didn't put her in handcuffs or anything.
40:03
SPEAKER_00: She refused to blindfold and she blew a kiss to the firing squad right before they shot her.
40:07
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
40:08
SPEAKER_00: She went out like a boss.
40:09
SPEAKER_00: She went out like a harlot for sure.
40:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: Um her body was used for medical study, and then they embalmed her head and kept her body in a museum in Paris.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: They kept her head in a museum in Paris.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: And in 2000, they were like, they went to go look for it and they discovered her head was missing.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: And it probably was could have been missing as early as 1954 when they moved the museum.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: They hadn't noticed, but to this day, nobody knows where her preserved her head was embalmed.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: So somebody somewhere is walking around with the head of Matahari.
40:55
SPEAKER_00: And Geronimo.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: It always interests me like art heist or any when people steal like things like this is a little different than an art heist, though.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, the you can't really be too public about that you have it because it's yeah, it's known to be missing, right?
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Right.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Like if you steal a valuable piece of art, how do you sell it without getting caught?
41:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: And I know there's a whole black market, but or maybe you just want to keep it.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe it's sitting on some dude's shelf.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, there's longhorns up on your wall.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: So who do you think of the richest people, what kind of people do you think would be likely?
41:34
SPEAKER_00: Now, this is just we're not trying to slander anybody here.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm I'm absurd.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: Who out there do you think would be likely if you had to guess who might have Matahari's head?
41:47
SPEAKER_00: Elon Musk.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
41:49
SPEAKER_00: Michael Jackson could have had it.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: I could see him bidding for that.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that would be kind of an exotic thing.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Are there are are there any like um like Elizabeth Holmes, would she have been rich enough to uh to buy the head of Marahari for more of a scientific bent?
42:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean just the fact that she was a millionaire woman.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: Ultimately, it seems like the kind of thing that an evil um an evil villain would have, you know.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: So I'm thinking more like Joker or um, you know, some uh Lex Luthor, somebody like that.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: Jeff Bezos.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, one of these guys.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: It's it's by the way, Jeff Bezos.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: If you're listening, we're uh we're on your platform, probably, right?
42:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, sure.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Amazon Music.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: Amazon uh AWS is probably uh carrying all of our voices right now.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh we're really looking at gift horse in the mouth.
42:45
SPEAKER_00: But my point is, um, somebody out there, and if you're listening, and you have Matahari's head email, we don't give an email address out in a while.
42:54
SPEAKER_01: No, we haven't.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: And we won't tell, by the way.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll keep it mum's words.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: We will not what we probably will do is say that somebody emailed us.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll say that it happened, but we won't say who.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll say we know, because I would love to know this.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you happen to have it or know who has it, email us at not at dirtnapcity.com, Not at dirtnapcity.com.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, let us know uh where the head of Matahari is.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's uh I think it's something that you know they looked for Amelia Earhart for a while and then they stopped and then they started again.
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SPEAKER_00: I think this is when they've kind of given up on him.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe we should have a good idea.
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SPEAKER_00: It's gonna come back though.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna come back.
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SPEAKER_00: We want to get ahead of this.
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SPEAKER_00: We're gonna take up this cause and we're gonna find this thing.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: We need a we need a picture next to today's newspaper, please.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: Whatever the truth is about Matahari, you can say that she's immortal, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Her name, like I said at the top, is synonymous with like this femme fatale, someone that's Induces people and gives them to kind of drop their cover and give up the secrets.
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SPEAKER_00: We love as uh people that love stories as a society, we love the idea of a Manahari.
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SPEAKER_00: Makes regret stories repeated over and over again in five movies, superhero movies, um like I said from Catwoman on up to James Bond movies.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: You think these guys are badass, and there's one weakness they have as beautiful women, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And beautiful women can make even the toughest guy give up all the secrets, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Just for one night with a beautiful woman.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think it's the oldest story in the world, but man, for some reason she's the one that uh is the avatar for all this.
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SPEAKER_00: So shout out to Immortality, umahari, our girl had a tough life, and was probably used.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, she lives on, right?
44:59
SPEAKER_01: She was a seaside sitting, just a smoking and a drinking on ringside on top of the world.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Found a relic in the dark alley, mystery wrapped in brown paper, shape shivered in the cold night.
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SPEAKER_02: Captured the head and felt free.
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SPEAKER_02: Whispers chased me on dark streets, echoes of legends in this seats.
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SPEAKER_02: Fingers tingled with a strange thrill.
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SPEAKER_02: Unravel the secrets to get to my will Stole the dead story silent eyes and a wicked smile.
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SPEAKER_02: Legends live, and virus crowded in life Stories combined Dancing shadows under the moonlight Heart racing like a clock gone wrong Could almost hear a voice cry In that alley I found where I belong Mysteries in jars on my shelf Lost souls whisper myths long gone Tonight is my willing companion with my dying chaos chaos long drop stole is in a wicked smile Legends live to the fires combo in life, the stories compiled.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's just live by scrum in the hill stories compiled.