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Capitulo 024: Hora de bochinche · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: Radio radio radio Commies of myth and Bullshit Radio phonic
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  Speaker 1: novella Local Radio hosted by Malamno. Hello, welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: Local Radio. This is Ma La and this is and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to another copy the Little Brown Girl Hour. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Local Radio is a podcast archiving the brilliance and legacies
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  Speaker 1: of women and fans of color. And today, uh, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make a few announcements, talk about a few podcast
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  Speaker 1: related things. But we have a really really really really
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  Speaker 1: really special guest here today that we're super excited to introduce.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get to our guests in a second. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but first we do have a couple of updates. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So we launched our Patreon this past week and we're
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  Speaker 1: super excited about it. Um there's different incentives, different exclusive
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  Speaker 1: content just for our patrons. Um it is just patreon
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  Speaker 1: thank you shout out so much love to our locomotives
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  Speaker 1: super happy, thank you so much. You will be starting
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  Speaker 1: those um special little things that we have going on
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  Speaker 1: next month, so November, and yeah, we're really excited. And
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  Speaker 1: we also have created a venmo, so if folks, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I can't want to give a offering of whatever, they
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  Speaker 1: can just donate to our venmo account, which is local
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  Speaker 1: dash Radio. And you know, one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 1: we created the venomo and the Patreon is because we
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  Speaker 1: had like a lot of locomot is, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: listeners commenting, dming us, messaging us asking like I want
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  Speaker 1: to support in some way? Can I buy merchandise? Can
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  Speaker 1: I donate? Like where can I send my support? So
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  Speaker 1: we were getting those questions and even in person, like
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  Speaker 1: at east Side Love Ones, a listener came up to
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  Speaker 1: us and she literally told us, like, people want to
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  Speaker 1: support you guys, and like basically she said, people want
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  Speaker 1: to give us their money, so who are we to
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  Speaker 1: say no? In other words, in other words, we had
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  Speaker 1: to create, you know, a route and avenue for that.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for everybody who has already um signed up.
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  Speaker 1: And besides that, we have events and fun stuff coming
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  Speaker 1: up that finally we get to announce and talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: We're so excited. We have been waiting, waiting because this
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  Speaker 1: has been in the work since this summer, so we
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  Speaker 1: have been waiting to share with y'all. But we are
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  Speaker 1: having a one year anniversary celebration are November tenth at
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  Speaker 1: nine pm in collaboration with La Junta l A. We
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  Speaker 1: have collabd with them before and it will be at
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  Speaker 1: Rado in downtown l A on Spring Street. There's no cover.
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  Speaker 1: DJ Sizzle will be there, she'll be spinning, she'll be working,
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  Speaker 1: and we're super super excited to celebrate our one year.
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  Speaker 1: We will have merged there, it's free. The Mommy Collective
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  Speaker 1: will be there. We're super, super super excited to finally
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  Speaker 1: be able to announce. And you know, it's been hard
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  Speaker 1: for us not to say anything about it. It's been
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  Speaker 1: really difficult, Like we have been outfit shopping. The flyer
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  Speaker 1: like is so cute and in the works and it's
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  Speaker 1: a whole thing. It's a whole thing, and we cannot
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  Speaker 1: wait to parties. So by the time that y'all are
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  Speaker 1: listening to this, the flyer will have already been posted.
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  Speaker 1: So we're so excited. We hope that y'all can make it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're not from l A, you know this
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  Speaker 1: is a good time to road trip. Yeah, come on out.
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  Speaker 1: Party brings the bottle. Yeah. And the next day we
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  Speaker 1: have another event November eleven, second book release. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: for those of you who weren't able to make it
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  Speaker 1: out to her first book release for Grasson and art Chair,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe got turned away at the door because it
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  Speaker 1: was that capacity, this is the perfect opportunity come out
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  Speaker 1: to EsPAS eight nine on November eleven. Um, look, I
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  Speaker 1: thought we're actually gonna be hosting her book release and
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  Speaker 1: leading like a talk back and a Q and A
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  Speaker 1: with her. She's gonna do some reading and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be really fun. Um, So coming out to that.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, we also are a part of podcastudio
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  Speaker 1: Fest on November nineteen. Yes, that is a Latin X
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  Speaker 1: digital media experience. Other Latin X podcasters will be there. Um.
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  Speaker 1: As of now, registration is closed and it's sold out
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  Speaker 1: the same day. So we hope that some of our
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  Speaker 1: localmotives were able to get um tickets because it was
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  Speaker 1: it was a free event, or it is a free event, um,
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  Speaker 1: but they do have a capacity level that they need
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  Speaker 1: to keep in mind, so that's why there was registration.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully some of y'all were able to get tickets.
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  Speaker 1: If not, you know, there will be other opportunities and
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  Speaker 1: we'll see if there's any like future ticket release if
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  Speaker 1: we're able to like expand registration, we will keep everybody posted.
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  Speaker 1: This is just year one, so I'm sure that next
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  Speaker 1: year it will be bigger and bigger than you. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be I think, like on a panel, and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be also there with our merge and with
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  Speaker 1: other of our favorite podcasters. Yeah. And also this is
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  Speaker 1: in conjunction with It'll be um and then finally our
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  Speaker 1: last announcements very exciting. Also, in celebration of our one
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  Speaker 1: year anniversary, we are challenging our local motives to a
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  Speaker 1: dance challenge. We we have a new jingle. We have
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  Speaker 1: a new jingle. Um, you weren't supposed to say that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now they know. I'm confused. Continue keep going. I might
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  Speaker 1: have to go into that out actually, um, so believe it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we are challenging our locomotives to send us videos of
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  Speaker 1: y'all dancing to our current our current jingle that you
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  Speaker 1: all know and love. Yes, yes, So if you feel
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  Speaker 1: so inclined, please send us videos like yall something that
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  Speaker 1: is short enough that we can put on the Instagram right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it could be the amount of the length, just like
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  Speaker 1: seconds yes, so please send us those email them, send
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  Speaker 1: it in a direct message. We will be putting something
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  Speaker 1: really special and cute together, yes, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: post our own as well. We will dancing to our jingle.
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  Speaker 1: So those are our announcements so far, and we just
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  Speaker 1: want to say thank you, thank you, thank you to
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  Speaker 1: all of our listeners, all of our locomotives who have
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  Speaker 1: signed up as patrons. Already we have like six patrons
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  Speaker 1: like as of now, as of the day we're recording
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  Speaker 1: this um. Also thank you to everybody who has like
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  Speaker 1: shared our work, who has shared the podcast, who has
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  Speaker 1: recommended us for opportunities, you know, referred our names to
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  Speaker 1: people We've gotten some like you know, there's like some
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  Speaker 1: exciting thing to're not to be share. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to overshare, but I'm just saying that people are reaching
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  Speaker 1: out to us and you know, offering us opportunities and
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  Speaker 1: inviting us to things. And so it's because of our listeners,
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  Speaker 1: and it's because you guys are putting us on and
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  Speaker 1: you're like the fucking plugs. So thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So now we are super super excited to introduce our
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  Speaker 1: guests for today. We are interviewing LoVa to give y'all
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  Speaker 1: a background. Um. If you don't remember, for our BA
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  Speaker 1: episode whos um, we actually included LoVa in one of
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  Speaker 1: our favorite online brujas. So um, I'm just gonna read
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  Speaker 1: a background about LoVa. So. LoVa is a queer Chokoya
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  Speaker 1: and Nina, South American migrant, artist, researcher, writer, hand poked tattoost,
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  Speaker 1: full spectrum companion, Dula, aspiring midwife, student, Seed Saver, Gardner,
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  Speaker 1: and Vetera. Loba is currently based in Los Angeles, but
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  Speaker 1: constantly travels across Turtle Island and Abia, Yana to facilitate
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  Speaker 1: shares and circles on urbalism, plant relations, social justice, healing, justice,
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  Speaker 1: and autonomous health. In the past years, LoVa has been
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  Speaker 1: delving on creating educational material and providing consultations Go Mario
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  Speaker 1: online to ensure the work is accessible to all. LoVa
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  Speaker 1: is invested on disseminating information with the hope that self
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  Speaker 1: knowledge and recognition about Buddy. The knowledge will will create
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  Speaker 1: a future where we can depend on ourselves and communities.
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  Speaker 1: Loba is here. Finally, Loba, please introduce yourself to our listeners. Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing? Thank thank you for thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being here. I'm so excited if you could tell
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  Speaker 1: our listeners just you know, we already reade your description
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  Speaker 1: and you do a lot, like you do everything, you
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  Speaker 1: do it all, and I feel like since I've been
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  Speaker 1: following you online since the tumbler days, you have continue
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  Speaker 1: to add like skills and thanks to your roster basically,
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  Speaker 1: so just can you just tell us about like what
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  Speaker 1: are you up to, like what are you working on
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  Speaker 1: these days? And what do you want our listeners to
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  Speaker 1: know about you? So I feel like it was interesting
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  Speaker 1: that the interesting thing about social media is that to
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  Speaker 1: me kind of became like a documentation of whatever my life.
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  Speaker 1: So I had at some point I had a blog
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  Speaker 1: with my friend and we talked about, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: we get into messy stuff back in school or like
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, and then it evolved into like creating an
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  Speaker 1: actual platform through tumbler um, you know, blogging photos. Like
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  Speaker 1: I put a bunch of photographs there because I was
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  Speaker 1: doing more photography back in that day, and I started
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  Speaker 1: adding things that I would just like, you know, randomly
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  Speaker 1: like start picking up or like even something like the
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  Speaker 1: political work that I was doing, or you know, the
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  Speaker 1: ways in which like you know, I was doing, like
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  Speaker 1: the focus when I was in school and undergrad was
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  Speaker 1: first realization of Peruvian catcha women during the Poking Moi dictatorship.
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  Speaker 1: So then after that, I was like, I really want
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  Speaker 1: to start doing things that are more you know, hands on,
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  Speaker 1: like how do we like I started claiming back this knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: So then I started getting more into like autonomous health.
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  Speaker 1: And I come from like South America, SUPERU and Chile,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a very strong movement of autonoma or like
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  Speaker 1: you know, feminist, so a lot of kind of like
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  Speaker 1: reclaiming uh you know, the body and using the body
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  Speaker 1: as like a territory of lucha blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: You know. So I feel like everything has been kind
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  Speaker 1: of building up to what I'm doing right now. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what it seems like. I'm doing a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not. You know, There's things that I kind
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  Speaker 1: leave and that I come back to eventually. Uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of intermingled. But as of now, I just
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  Speaker 1: finished and I'm still doing like the online portion of it.
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  Speaker 1: Because I created this urban education program called the Seedling Ship,
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't want to call it an internship because
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've only been doing this for like seven years,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not that much, you know what i mean. Like,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't really like the idea of kind of
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  Speaker 1: education that it's like super hard could go in structure.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, well, let's call this a
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  Speaker 1: sealing ship. So I just finished that up. A group
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  Speaker 1: of like what thirty folks went to the seedling Ship
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  Speaker 1: in my home slush Garden Um in Westlake. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of doing like the online portion of it because
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  Speaker 1: some folks were able to take it online. So I
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  Speaker 1: tried to make my I guess programs like online and
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  Speaker 1: also in person, just you know, to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: folks can access it anywhere, and also for people that
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  Speaker 1: have I Kill anxiety and don't want to leave their home,
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  Speaker 1: because that's me, you know, I don't never want to
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  Speaker 1: leave my home. So I'm like, Okay, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll try to do more stuff online too because of
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  Speaker 1: that reason. Uh, And I feel like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the work that I've been doing lately has been around
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  Speaker 1: that menstruation. It's also you know, like very present um
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  Speaker 1: and I think like the whole I mean, we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of you know, Halloween month or whatever. But um, I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of research and thinking and writing around Brudi, Feminista,
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  Speaker 1: feminist medicine, um and just kind of you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I want to eventually like do a zine around it
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  Speaker 1: because magazines. So I think that really like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it has been around, you know, like queer toxic
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  Speaker 1: masculinity and like where does that come from? Like in
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  Speaker 1: what way is the queer toxic masculine in? Toxic masculine
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  Speaker 1: and patriarchy have such a big role in the ways
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  Speaker 1: that you know, the witch Hunts happened and how we
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  Speaker 1: still carry that trauma, you know, so a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, also, how do we even think about, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the witch hunts as trauma? You know, because when we
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  Speaker 1: talk about you know, generational trauma or whatever, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we forget to mention like the witch hunts. You
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  Speaker 1: know that a very recently, that happened super recently, and
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  Speaker 1: it's still happening. So I think that like that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of my focus lately has been around like feminista and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like the concept of RUA or which
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? And like you know, who is
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  Speaker 1: a which who is in who gets who names themselves
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  Speaker 1: a which you know what I mean. So I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that has been like a lot of my headspace
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  Speaker 1: as lately. Yeah, that's amazing. I love it because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like has very recently become much more of like
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  Speaker 1: a trending topic. I would say, like amongst young people,
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  Speaker 1: like in young like latino Xus, who are on social media,
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  Speaker 1: it's something that you see the word floating around and
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  Speaker 1: and there's different accounts and there's different people who are
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  Speaker 1: talking about BIA. So I'm really interested in like how
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  Speaker 1: for you the reading and the writing and the learning
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  Speaker 1: about like the historical knowledge is mixing in with the
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  Speaker 1: technology and social media part of it. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: that Bruhi in a way is technology, right, So that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like just I mean to me is about technology,
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  Speaker 1: and it's about um knowledge creation and knowledge of humanity
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  Speaker 1: Asian and like the ways in which you know, like
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  Speaker 1: stuff gets appropriated so easually. So I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like even if we look at for example, a wait
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  Speaker 1: that the medical industrial complex was built, it had you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a correlation between that and like the killing
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  Speaker 1: of so called witches, right, And there's even like you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you even like start researching about um, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: the history of the witch of the witch hunts Um.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes there was this one did I forget I have
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  Speaker 1: to like write this names down, but you know it's
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  Speaker 1: all about like white people, so I don't really not
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  Speaker 1: much about but yes, it was. It was some like
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  Speaker 1: some dude that wrote this book about botany or something
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  Speaker 1: like that or just like medicinal plants. And it was
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  Speaker 1: during the time you know, medieval europe um Renassundzerope. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I don't even know exactly like what time for
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  Speaker 1: me was. But then you know, he came up and
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  Speaker 1: he was like, this is not my book. I stole
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  Speaker 1: this from an old witch, so because he didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to get killed, right, But it was like interesting that
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  Speaker 1: it was literal technology and knowledge that was created and
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  Speaker 1: taking care of by this witch, this woman, this women
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  Speaker 1: women women which a wickend maybe probably I would assume, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some medicine women. And then he kind of
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  Speaker 1: like stile it and he made into this book. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then when he realized that it was no longer
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  Speaker 1: you know, it didn't started his purpose because he might
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  Speaker 1: get killed because he could be considered you know, a
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  Speaker 1: blue or whatever. He said that it wasn't his, So
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  Speaker 1: it's I think a lot of it it's all about
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  Speaker 1: you know, like reaping off knowledge to uh And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I see a lot of correlation with that
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  Speaker 1: and also just all these conversations around fami labor and
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  Speaker 1: the ways in which like, you know, women nice labor
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  Speaker 1: and family labor are completely unrecognized. Uh So, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's just there's more conversations now around that.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I think a lot of folks kind
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  Speaker 1: of see like there were blue Unia, like in a
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  Speaker 1: different way, right, It's like, yeah, there's and not too
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  Speaker 1: long ago, well, I was in Mexico City not too
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  Speaker 1: long ago, and I went to I don't remember the
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  Speaker 1: official name of the Medicado, but the more informal name
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  Speaker 1: right and there it was just so cool to be
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  Speaker 1: in this space, this physical space where all the like
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  Speaker 1: necessity that is for like bruheria, like whether it's the oils, plants, stones, statues,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the santos, all the animals. It was like
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  Speaker 1: one stop shopping for a bruja and it was packing dope,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And it was like it also really showed
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  Speaker 1: me that there's also like so much that goes into it.
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  Speaker 1: There's even economy definitely Bruhia and like goods and services
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  Speaker 1: and and and that type of a thing. Was like
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  Speaker 1: there's this whole world that I don't think we necessarily
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  Speaker 1: see as much like in l A right. It's I
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  Speaker 1: think that there's more of like a cultivated culture around
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  Speaker 1: the Bruheia, like in home countries maybe versus here. And
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  Speaker 1: there's like political Brucheria, to which I think it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of some part of with my friends. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: call ourselves and Moon Blood Magic COVID, and we pretty
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  Speaker 1: much do you know, like political brudias. Like this year,
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  Speaker 1: we had a training for like POC only the center
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  Speaker 1: ring like his Hit on Hermativity, his Head on Hermativity
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  Speaker 1: training on abortion support, and then one of our members
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  Speaker 1: also did a training on you know, like supporting people
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  Speaker 1: are getting on abortions in clinics, so kind of doing
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  Speaker 1: like clinic escorting. And then we recently had like a
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  Speaker 1: fundraiser cup that was like do fundraised funds for a
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  Speaker 1: de quanta collective that is doing like lives with a
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  Speaker 1: minista activist work, you know, So I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: also that too. There is you know there's definitely more
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  Speaker 1: of the medicinal and like the intention based heda. But
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  Speaker 1: I also think that there is a lot of political
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  Speaker 1: ness around, you know, like what Bruia is and like
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  Speaker 1: you know, like covents and like you know this really
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, and the disruption of capitalism and everything. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So even if like there is this really interesting like
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  Speaker 1: and I don't remember dates that should totally write this down,
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  Speaker 1: but one of the first cases that was seen around,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, Whiches or whatever, the burning of which
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  Speaker 1: is was because you know, there was this one little
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: tiny state selwhere in Europe I don't know a place, um,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and then apparently like the the king was traveling somewhere
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: else to get the wife or whatever. And then when
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: they're coming, when the king and the wife are coming back,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: they encounter this huge like storm and they almost die.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: And then they get back you know to like the
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: places are trying to get to. And then this group
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: of women this comment was like we tried to kill you,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you know, like we like you actually came up. Yeah,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it was. And then when I read that, I was like, Okay,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: so like all so called witches have always tried to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: like destroy states and destroy crowns and destroy, you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: like everything that we should be destroying. So I think
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: that it's like a combination between intention and like medicine
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and like kind of reclaiming ancestral practices, but also just
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: like the political nous of like trying to destroy destroy,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like all this fake country states and you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: and like power, like switching that ship around. And interesting
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: when like men in power, like white men, are focused
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: on in a negative way or their criticised eyes for
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: something that they do, they use the term like this
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: is a witch hunt, you know, when like America, Howard
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: there's focused on negative attentions. Don't say that, but it's
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: like when white men been hunted craft never and that's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: something that women have been targeted for that films have
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: been targeted for. But it's just interesting that when there's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a political criticism, now it's a witch hunt, when that's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: never been your experience historically. Yeah, it's it's the violence
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: against women. Yeah, you know, I think this is a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: good time to transition break friend friend friend friends friends
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: of it, and and we are back. So we wanted
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to talk about you know, like we've talked about this before,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: is that we have been online and on the internet,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: like basically our whole lives, essentially, our whole entire lives,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and when it comes to Loba, like I first was
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: aware of Loba and like your work and what you
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: talk about and Ablita knowledge and your true chitty as
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and your creations when you were on Tumbler. So it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: been it's been years. It's been a long time. And
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you know what we were talking about during the songbreak
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is the fact that there's constantly new apps and new
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: social media platforms. So there are a lot of people
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: who had big followings, big archives on Tumblr and now
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: moving on to I'm now moving on to Twitter, so
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: low bad, Like, I see you kind of as one
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of those people, and I'm wondering if you could kind
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of talk to us about like your digital journey basically
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: like with your work. So I mean it's kind of sad,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you know, because you get sad when you're like, oh ship,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like because at some point I gave up
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: with Tumbler. I was like, I can't keep up with Tumbler,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and I was like very much into like creating my
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: own material for Tumbler. I was like, I don't want
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to be reposting. I want to create my own material,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: so it would just like take forever to create material
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like totally unpaid labor. And I was just
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: like super over it, blah blah blah. So I gave up.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: But I feel like I wrote a couple of articles
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and Tumbler like there was like the what the hipsters
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Didn't tell you and some other stuff. I was just
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: talking like anti white stuff. That was a great stuff.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just say anti white and like you know, sarcastic
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't exist. But um, but I think I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: got a little following from that, and then like I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: moved on to the Facebook page, and you know, it's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: very sad because it's like for me, like I love
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to document stuff. That's also I think why I got
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: into social media because I was like I really want
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to do this blog and I want to kind of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to make it public, and so
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I ended up doing the tumbler and then like Facebook
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: was also like a way to like start doing like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: some hustling around moon pads or selling moon pads and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: other stuff through the moon pad years um, and then recently,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: like I think two years ago, like a year ago
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: very recent I joined Instagram, and I like Instagram. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: was like super into Instagram. I was like, I'm never
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: doing Instagram, Like this is too much, Like how am
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I going to have so many accounts? I don't even
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: know how. My friends that do Instagram and like do
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: kind of work through Instagram have like three older accounts
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: because I only have one Instagram account. And I feel
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like most of my social media is about my work,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like it really like I don't have like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a personal stuff or maybe like my personal Facebook page,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: but that's also you know, like a little random people
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: follow me that I don't necessarily know. So um So,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I think like social media is very sad in that way,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you know, because it's like it just moves, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: like all this material gets moves. I think for me,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out how to do more,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Like I want to write a book. I have like
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: three different book ideas um to like zines too, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: so to kind of like you know, put everything together
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and documented in something that is more like tangible. You know, yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: because I think it's very important, you know, just what
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the work that you're doing really archiving um archiving like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this buuha. Knowledge is a blita knowledge that you talk about. Um, So,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's really important that you have something physical
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: right the folks can also pay you for which is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: really important because you also have a lot of connections
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to collectives in Mexico and to America. So I think
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I can really see that for you, which is amazing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. But I think also for me what it
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: helps me too, because I do a lot of like
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: online like knowledge shares or like classes. That's also the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: way that I also archived because you Yeah, I remember
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a post from about a year agod when you had
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: your last trip to paddle and you did a workshoper
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you did like a diet or something with Oh it
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: was they and the Feminist and then Intergalactic Medicine. Okay,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about that. I remember, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, I think we had we actually fun
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: fact and I met at a Feministar conference in Latin America.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Super it was super random. It was our friends like
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, exactly. Um, so can you talk a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: little bit about that? So I okay, So I had
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to go last year, I had to go to Perule
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to take care of my grandma. Um. And I feel
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: like a lot of like you know, just like fami
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: labor started coming up from me over there. There's like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of it because she got diagnosed with cancer
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and just kind of seeing like how my mom was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the first one to kind of drop all her work
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and go take care of her, and then it was me,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and then I'm like nobody like this person, Like my
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: grandma has like nine ten children and like a bunch
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of grandchildren. Like I live in the US, like by myself,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like I don't get any like money support from like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: no deals by myself. So I'm like I don't have
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: exposal support or whatever. And I'm just like my fucking
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: cousins and whatever, uncles and aunts that like have all
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the support and like you know, I'm like you're not
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: even doing anything, so like to me, like a lot
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of like you know, just like fami labors started coming up,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of that, you know, just kind of like fun.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You know, there's so much fami labor and like caring
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: just the carrying politics, you know, the carrying economy too,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that it's like usually so under valued. So um, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: think that that's an experience that a lot of Latinos
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: listeners can identify with because I've seen that happen in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: my own family and recently a homegirl in her family
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: with grandparent being sick undergoing surgery and then seeing who
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is willing to spend time to take care of them,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and it's usually going to be the women and the definitely. Yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So I think that that kind of like, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that's when I started like building more around like you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Fami labor and like my work and then um, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I create I created this like online platform
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: um in which how what I did I want to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: do and like I documented some of like stories, some recipes,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of hard to because I don't
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: really like I don't want to share this like you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: know a bunch of people you know, So I feel
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like as in like there's recipes and things that you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: learned that you shouldn't be probably putting it out there
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: because you don't know how these people are that are
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: taking it. Like I know some folks that were taking
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that that UM that online platform, and not everybody. So
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: it's kind of also hard to like engauge to what
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: extent you like, share information to what extent you don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: because you know, especially like white people, they might totally
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like identify as allies or whatever, but you don't really know.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: So it's also really scary because it's like I don't
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: want to share something that that's like really precious that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: my grandma just shared with me, and that I'm just
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that it's going to just
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: get used to rip away from me. So it's kind
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: of hard to like figure that out. But the whole
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: idea of the of the platform which I'm reviving it against,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm want to do it again starting next month, and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna include more like new material. Um it's called
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the Indian, the Possicle, Intergalactic Andean Feminism Edison, Right. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the whole idea was that in like the two months
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that I was going to be taking care of my grandma,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I was going to also be kind of like documenting,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you know, things that that I learned, um and a
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: lot of the kind of writing and information that I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: have app there right now. And that specific platform is around,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you know, like blue Hedia and just like which is
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and like I had really interesting and cipher conversations with
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: my grandma who actually saw which hunt happened. So yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: very recently. And that's when I realized. I was like, okay,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: so the which Hans are still happening, right, Like midwives,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: especially like in the US or so called US, you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: like especially black midwives are like completely like it's super
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: hard for a black mid wife to practice because of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: anti blackness and just like you know, like which hunts
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and like yeah, so that's just one example, right, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like the witch huts are like very much alive and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: this entire planet right, But to me it was really
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like I was stuck in to my grandma or you
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know like Bluehdia and the Inder region and like the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: which has in the Inder region. And then she was
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like I don't oh or you know, like I saw
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: which get burnt once and I was like, tell me
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: about it. Because she grew up in the mountains like
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in Puno, so yes, like the population like the area
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: was like indidn't as folks like speaking most to catch
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: She grew up speaking most to Quetcha. And then she
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: was telling me that she was in this one town
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and she sold this old women being burnt alive and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the people I guess, you know, inquisitor inquisitors. I guess
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like what would be you know, back in the day
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in order for like you know, all of these things
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to happen, like there would be like some kind of
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: inquisition cabinet, inquisition group or whatever that would be mostly
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: like you know, like European people. But now, like what
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: she saw and this was probably like what like sixty
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: years ago that she saw the sixty or seventy years ago,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it was indigenous people that were the ones that were
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like kill her, kill her, kill her. So they burned
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: her alive and it was an old woman. Yeah. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: then I started, you know, talking to my other friends
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that live in the area, and one of my friends
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, like during the Penut dictatorship
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: ended pretty recently, like ended in eighty nine, um, like
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: there was witch hunts happening in which like which is
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: so called medicine, women were being killed, especially specifically like
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: indigenous populations like the Mapucha tribe, right. So and that's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: something that I kept kind of seeing, you know, just
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: how like the witch hunts in Latin America specifically and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: then in the region, and I'm sure that probably like
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: in the rest of the territory, um, it was like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: specifically targeting like black Afro Indigenous and Indigenous people that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: were practicing their own medicine, right, So and a lot
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of it you know, had to do with power to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like people would go to this people, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: like they would go to them to like get support,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like that's the whole point of folk medicine,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like the people's medicine. So I think that,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like very interesting how like the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: medical indols are complex. It's kind of like interruining there,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: but also just the you know, I would let a
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: knowledge what I called that would knowledge you know, like
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it starts to be coming like you know, switch tails
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: or like it's not important. It's just like you know, superstition,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like it's not real. So I think that like at
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: least from my experience and what I learned through you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: doing that. Um that like online platform was just how
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: much of the knowledge is not even acknowledged as knowledge.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: But even like my own grandma's right, because I was
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: talking to my other grandma. My other grandma was like, yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you know you're great great, you know, like yeah, I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: guess it would be like my great granddad, Um, he
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: used to do like a lot of you know, kind
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of savalas and like you know, healing to take away
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: them jo whatever whatever. But he would do it very secretly,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: like he would only do it like in his room.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Nobody else would know because of the fear of being
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: called a brujo. Right. So even there's so much fear
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and like so much trauma that you know, I call
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it trauma because it's you know, it is trauma, you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like when people have to hide
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: what they're doing because they would be you know, consider
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: by the community and what that couldn you know, I'm
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: sure that had like put a show like economic like
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a percussions or like even like how stability
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: or like whatever. You know. And I really love you
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: know that you brought up a let knowledge and that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you because when I hear that, when I hear that
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: term or that phrase, I think of you immediately because
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's your concept that you really developed
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and that you brought forward like online, and you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we did one of ours. We called it from Tech, right,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And what we talked about in that cap is how
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: things like sewing, weaving, cooking, our technologies and our sciences
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and that's what our lethanology is right, So can you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit more about like a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: lethanlogy as technology. So it's interesting because I have this
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: poster in which it says our leth knowledge is technology,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and under the post it has a picture. It's it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: me laying on the ground and it's my friend to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: some who is um I'm ad a descent, so this
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: is like what's considered northern Chile, like partians, portions of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: personal Considerablivia. It's also I'm in a territory. But she
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: said many stunt she does a lot of like abortion
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: support like abortion access stuff in UM so called. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: she was like kind of like showing me how to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: do abortion massage like on myself. So I digitalized that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: image and then I was like, okay, well I have
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: this really cool image, like what do I put on top?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And the first thing that came up to me was
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: our lead analogies technology because I think that's so many times,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: like especially like the first time that I saw abortion
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: massage like happening was when I was in school, So
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I want to fancy you know, bullshit as UC Berkeley,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and it was like it was like it was about
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like reproductive justice or something like I don't even know
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: what the classes about. It was just really messy, and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: it was this why sis, dude, you know, just discussing
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: peaching it of course yeah, and then yeah, and then
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he's like, you know that I was in the Philippine
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: ones and then in the Philippines like this is what
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: they do when you know, the women have to have
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: an abortion. And then he showed a picture of this
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: older women like doing like worship massage on this younger
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: person who I think was I believe it was a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: sex sex worker if I remember that correctly. And then
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he's like, this is what they do in the nong
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Gat access to like blah blah blah. And I was
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like that's technology though, Like that's technology, and I clearly
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. So that's the first time
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that I kind of saw that, you know, like the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: whole like abortion massage. And then so when my friend
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: was teaching me, I was just like, oh my god,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: this is so amazing, like the ways in which you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: like we have completely forgotten like our own technologies, you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and like that's totally like very valid in people, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you're talking about ancient
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: technologies and you're utilizing modern technologies to spread the information.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I agree, you know, this is a really good transition
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: because I really wanted us to talk about this. You
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in your work, you talk about how queer trends indigenous
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: folks haven't existed for hundreds of years, and you recently
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: had this beautiful photo of I believe I'm out of women.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I think I'm out of women kissing um. It's such
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a powerful, beautiful photo, and you have this really great
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: caption about this, about the history of fum folks, transfolks,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: queer folks um. And it was actually shared by on documedia,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: which is if you don't follow on documedia, they're a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: really big platform um centering on docum folks, but they
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: also like share like intersectional post, and your post was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: shared and there were there was a lot of feedback,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of upset folks. People were very upset about it, UM.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about that, like sharing this
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: kind of radical knowledge online and then folks that are
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: just not receptive to it because colonization, you know, historical
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: eraser trauma, all this ship right that gendered all this stuff.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So can you talk about that like what that was
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  Speaker 1: like for you when this post was shared. So I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: identify as someone that still, you know, I get and yeah,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, my family probably is just like,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: oh my god, what's like, what a shameful. Individually, I'm
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: just like showing my menstrual blood, talking about you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: like alien digs like that's my life. And I think
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that one of that one of the reasons why I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: got interested in social media, because I was like, I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: really want to put out all these things that kind
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of bother people or like like mad people react in
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  Speaker 1: this way, so you know, kind of like social medium performance,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I guess. You know. Yeah, so a lot of the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: ship that I talked about is like very heterophobic, and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you know just kind of I mean, that's not a
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: real you can't really be heterophobic, but this is kind
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of like a funny or kind of funny way to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: say it, or just like you know, just talking about
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: all these things that kind of make people be like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: oh ship. You know, so I get a little im
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: following sometimes because sometimes people follow me because I'm like, oh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you know, this is how you still see this and that,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and then I'm like, fun, my supremacy and then but
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I posted that, so I think I've seen those images.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know who the actual photographer is. I think
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it's a Mexican photographer that lives in Bolivia. I think something.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I think I was trying to research it, but I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: reposted it from UM this really awesome UM like feminist
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  Speaker 1: in Argentina whose name I can't really a forgetting forget
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: this person's name, but I reposted it from um let Yeah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: from Leonard investies um Facebook account, and it was I think,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: what was it like the coming out there essentially? Yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: um And I was just like, you know, writing about
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: pretty much, you know, like I think, like when I moved,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: when I moved to the US, I was having a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: really hard time with even the concept like queer queerness,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: like what does it even queer mean? And even what
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: does like lesbian mean? You know, because I think in
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Latin America there's more use of like more like the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: lesson identity as a political identity, not like here, you know, here,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: if you say lesbian, you're just completely a political but
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: over there, you know, like a lot of my friends
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that stars are very much like all about the strong
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in the patriarchy and destroying the state and destroying like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the police and cages, you know what I mean. So
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that's uh so it's like a very different concept. Um So,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: one of the I guess the names that I really
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like at it's called choko ya. It's it's originally cheko you.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And I learned it through my front last year. Who
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I actually interview for that um for that like online
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: platform that I had on like Andean Intergalactic Feminist Medicine.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: So I interview this person and this person that's a
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: lot of kind of like perview work, and like the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: whole thing is also a performance. And I'm from Ariquipa,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and then this person also is from Ariquipa, and keep
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: it is like a very like conservative bucking place, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: super conservative. So they started researching more about you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: like different ways to kind of like call themselves. That
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily like gay or like you know, lesbian or
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like queer, just because that didn't like culturally like it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: didn't make any cultural sense. And then you know, like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: this person shared with me about the like choko you,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you know, like in chekou it's like an your word
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and it translates to like a feminine butterfly, um, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you know this is like what it's kind of like
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like America kind of you know yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: But then I was like, you know, I really like that,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you know, so I started calling myself to go. Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of this idea of like in a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: feminine butterfly and like yeah, that makes complete But you
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: know that the post was pretty much about, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: this kind of acknowledging like the ways in which like one,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: there's definitely like this binary, this gender binary that we
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: talked about in heterosexuality and complete lies and they were
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: totally imposed by colonizers, right, and that at some point,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure people and like you know, you have
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: also different ways to relate to each other. Like I'm like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: hetero sexuality is not normal, like and there's a very
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: beautiful quote um from like Feminist in Latin America says,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: see like if heterosexuality was um, was normal, it wouldn't
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: need so much marketing. And I'm like, yes, exactly, like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: really like since we're little, you know, like yeah, if um,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you know, if heterosexual sexuality was completely like nor them,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: wouldn't need like to have so much marketing Stince were
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: very little and so much pressure. Yeah, so the post
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was pretty much you know, talking about you know, different
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: ways in which you know, like people have related to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: each other and how like you know, we still exist.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And then I think the second part was kind of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like you know, we're like the best and which I think,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you know, even like in the whatever healing community, I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: think that it fails to center like fam and like
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: transfolks and like to spread folks when in reality, like
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I think that we have been the medicine people forever,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like I know something,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And in some of the comments was like well Latinos
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: like indigenous people are not gay. This isn't that, and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it's just like what are you talking about. There's even
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: like actual like images like in Coddest and colleges and colleagues,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: but also like through Waman Pama for example in South
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: America that shows like the so called third gender, like
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: it's been presdent. There were the people that were getting
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: killed by the colonizers wore thrown to the dogs, right,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: So I think it's like it just the way that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like this like funked up, like Western history
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: has happened that it has completely erased, you know, like
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the existence of all the people that are not this
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is necessarily like falling into like gender binary or like
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: into a hetero sexuality that have always held very important
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: places in community. And we can see that even now,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you know, even even if we don't like even if
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: we don't have that information, like who are the people
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that are doing the most amazing work in the world
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: right now? You know what I mean. It's not as
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: his head or person, you know what I mean, it's
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: not so. And you know, I also think that like
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: latinox Is Latinos, that we don't always give our communities
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: as much credit for understanding like queer history in our communities.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Like for example, like in my neighborhood, they have a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: big legs every year. Every year right the Wahakan community
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: there will have their big Alegazza and there is if
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you go to the basically the procession and they end
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: up at um the church right there on Pico St. Thomas,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And that's where they like finish and have like the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: big violet and everything included in the parade aid our
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: muche right in their full like gowns and they have
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: like and then they'll have like a chord and they're
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: participating in community with everybody visibly, like makeup, hair, head
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to toe everything, you know, and it's part and parcel
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: of the cultural events. You know. So it's like, how
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: do you deny something that is existing right now and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it's embraced in on the streets in real life. You know.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It's just that disconnect is so odd. You know, I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: agree with you, and it's you know, I think that
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of the comments were like ridiculous. It was
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: just like, you know, it was over a thousand comments.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It just yeah, like people were like, it's really upset
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: about it. And my question is, so like the people
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that were upset, are they like specifically from that indigenous
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: community that those women were depicting, Like what was their
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: connection and what were they being so defensive over, Like
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like what in the photo
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: where they like, no, this belongs to me, So I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: get to define what's right and wrong? Oh and the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: photo we forgot to say what the photo is? Yeah, yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: so the photo is to imt of women. But I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're matter of their mix, so they're
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: missives or how they identified but they're wearing like traditional
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: clothing and they're making out it's just very simple, very cute,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: very beautiful. That brown. Yeah, it's a beautiful photo. And
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: then people were just like that's not true, like you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: like Latinos were not. Like one person said something about
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: like how the Europeans broad homosexuality, and I was like wow, wow,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it was just as it was a mess. So my
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: comments were just all about you know, like I suck
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: pussy all the time, you know why not. I was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: just trying to troll them just at that point, like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna argue with no, you can't Europeans sexually.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: That doesn't It's like, no, it's not compute, not compute.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I think that we've gotten to the point in our
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: program today where you know, it's kind of time to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: wrap up and play our last song, and we wanted
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to thank you Loba so much for coming and you
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: are so full of knowledge, like it is basically is
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: read too much. But again just over the years and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: just how because I think at first, like on Tumbler,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think you had had become like a duela yet,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like I think that that's maybe newer and so just
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: watching you and how you've just grown and progress and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: you're just this wealth of knowledge. It's just like I
• 42:29
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• 42:32
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• 42:34
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