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DIDDY'S FREAK-OFF "CLEANUP CREW" DISGUSTS JURY, KID CUDI CAR BOMB · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, Viagra for Ditty, cocaine, ecstasy,
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Speaker 1: horse Trunk plan, beat.
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Speaker 2: Birth control, baby oil, astroblide, and condoms, Percocet, week loss pills,
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Speaker 2: berm count pills.
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Speaker 3: It was just I mean, he carried a pharmacy.
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Speaker 1: With him straight out to the courthouse. Standing by legal
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Speaker 1: correspondent Lauren Colin, investigative reporter and start a pup Crime TV. Lauren,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened in court today?
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Speaker 2: We saw Kid Cutty testify and it was fairly quick.
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Speaker 2: It took a portion of the morning and during opening statements,
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Speaker 2: the prosecutors gave us a little bit of a taste
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Speaker 2: about this break in that involved Ditty, an assistant, and
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Speaker 2: one of his associates. Well, when Kid Cutty aka Scott
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Speaker 2: Mescadi took the stand, it turns out that Diddy was
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Speaker 2: the one that broke into his house kidnapped one of
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Speaker 2: his employees, Capricorn Clark with an associate went over there
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Speaker 2: looking for Cassie. And this was after Shawn Colmes found
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Speaker 2: out about this relationship that was going on between Kitcutty
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Speaker 2: and Cassie. And look, Kid Cuttie said he was a
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Speaker 2: little confused. Cassie had told him that she and Sean
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Speaker 2: Colmes were broken up.
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Speaker 4: You know, they were on again, off again.
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Speaker 2: So when he got this call from Cassie where she
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Speaker 2: was very, very upset and alarmed. This was in twenty eleven,
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Speaker 2: he went to pick her up. He took her to
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Speaker 2: a hotel and it turns out she gave Seawan Colmes
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Speaker 2: kid Cutty's address. This came out that was a little confusing.
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Speaker 2: So kid Cutty finds out that Seawan Colmes is at
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Speaker 2: his house because Capricorn Clark, the assistant, calls him and
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Speaker 2: Cassie from the driveway in the car very scared and says, look,
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Speaker 2: Colmes is in the house now.
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Speaker 4: Kid Cutty gets very upset. He says he's going over there.
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Speaker 4: So he drives over.
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Speaker 2: There and he says that he calls Sean Colmes and
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Speaker 2: he says, hey, mother, effer, why are you in my house?
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Speaker 2: And Ditty says something like I just want to talk now.
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Speaker 2: When he gets to the house, Ditty's no longer there.
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Speaker 2: He notices that, you know, nothing is broken, nothing is
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Speaker 2: out of place. But he did have some Christmas presents
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Speaker 2: for his family in chanel boxes. Those were unwrapped on
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Speaker 2: the kitchen table, and his dog was.
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Speaker 4: Locked in a bathroom. He also noted.
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Speaker 2: That the surveillance cameras outside his house appeared to be
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Speaker 2: pointed down.
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Speaker 4: Now after this, you know, he leaves.
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Speaker 2: He sees that he's getting text messages from Colms, and
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Speaker 2: he thinks to himself, Okay, I don't really know if
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Speaker 2: I want to get involved here because who knows if
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Speaker 2: he has weapons whatever. So he actually calls the police
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Speaker 2: and files a police report. Now we've discussed this. It's
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Speaker 2: December of twenty eleven, Kid Cutty and Cassie go to
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Speaker 2: Cassie's family home in Connecticut for the holidays. Sean Colmes
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Speaker 2: still is texting Kid Cutty, you know, trying to talk
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Speaker 2: to him, trying to get a meeting with him, and
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Speaker 2: Cuddy ignores him, and then Cassie ends up breaking up
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Speaker 2: with him. On his trip, he returns back to la
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Speaker 2: and a month later, it's January twenty twelve. He is
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Speaker 2: about forty five minutes away from his house. Kid Cutty
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Speaker 2: and his dog. Babysitter calls him and says, your car
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Speaker 2: is on fire in the driveway. A Molotov cocktail has
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Speaker 2: somehow been thrown in the car. We then see pictures
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Speaker 2: of the car. The roof is broken in or sunken
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Speaker 2: in with a hole in it, the inside is all charred.
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Speaker 2: He calls the police files the police report, and then
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Speaker 2: a few days later he says, Okay, you know that's it.
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Speaker 2: I'm contacting colms or We're going to work this out.
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Speaker 2: So they have a meeting at the La Soho house.
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Speaker 2: He describes d Rock, the security guard that we've heard
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Speaker 2: about multiple times, ushering him into this room, and this
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Speaker 2: got a lot of laughed Nancy. He described Colmbs as
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Speaker 2: facing this big window in the room with his back
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Speaker 2: towards him, his hands behind his back, and he actually
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Speaker 2: said he looked like a marble super villain. So he
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Speaker 2: said also that Ditty's demeanor was so calm that it
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Speaker 2: was almost bizarre. He offered him water twice, you know,
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Speaker 2: and they seemed to work it out.
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Speaker 4: And then at the end of.
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Speaker 2: The conversation and Cassie joined later by the way, and
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Speaker 2: at the end of the conversation, Cutty says, they shook
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Speaker 2: hands and while their hands were clasped, he said, well,
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Speaker 2: what about my car, and Diddy basically was like, I
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Speaker 2: don't know anything about your car and they let their
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Speaker 2: hands go and then you know, they kind of walked
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Speaker 2: out and that was that. And he said he hadn't
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Speaker 2: seen him until a few years later. He saw him
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Speaker 2: again at the Soho house, and this time Diddy was
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Speaker 2: with his two daughters, and he apologized to Kit Cutty.
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Speaker 4: And said, look, I'm sorry for everything that's.
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Speaker 2: That happened, anything that went on between us, but Nancy.
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Speaker 2: When Brian Steele got up to do the cross examination,
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Speaker 2: he pointed out a couple of things, as that's his job,
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Speaker 2: but he pointed out that during the break in kid
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Speaker 2: Cutty's door, there was no damage to it. The door
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Speaker 2: was wide open and anybody have walked in. He also
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Speaker 2: pointed out that there were DNA or fingerprints pulled from
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Speaker 2: the investigation into the car blow up, and those that
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Speaker 2: DNA was actually it belonged to a female.
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Speaker 5: Okay, let me understand something.
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Speaker 1: So one month later, after the whole Cassie Ventura relationship
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Speaker 1: blows up, one month later, Kid Cutty's car is bombed
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Speaker 1: with a molotov So isn't it true that Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: had discussed blowing up his car?
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Speaker 2: Yes, Cassie, this is through Cassie She said that this
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Speaker 2: was discussed and he was going to do it when
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Speaker 2: one of kid.
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Speaker 4: Cutty's friends were present.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I believe someone else did see that
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Speaker 2: in the driveway. I have to go back to my notes,
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Speaker 2: but I believe after the fact it wasn't just the
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Speaker 2: dogs it or someone else saw it. But I'll go
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Speaker 2: back and check. But it definitely she the dog sitter.
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Speaker 2: She took pictures right away.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So how did kid Cutty discover that Shawn Comes
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Speaker 1: was sitting in his place?
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Speaker 2: Capricorn Clark be I guess she was an assistant of Ditty's,
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Speaker 2: but she also was friends with Cassie and then became
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Speaker 2: friends with kid Cutty. She called from the driveway in
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Speaker 2: the car. She stayed in the car while Ditty and
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Speaker 2: an associate went in, and kid Cutty had her on
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Speaker 2: speakerphone so Cassie could hear as well, and he described
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Speaker 2: her as being scared and upset.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So Ditty's assistant calls Kit Cutty and says, Combs
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Speaker 1: is in your place?
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Speaker 5: All right?
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Speaker 1: And the cross examination on that was there were no fingerprints.
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Speaker 2: Well, the cross examination was that look, nothing was was destroyed,
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Speaker 2: nothing was broken. Your door was wide open, so there
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Speaker 2: was no forced entry. And you know the cross examination
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Speaker 2: by Brian Steele, I couldn't actually believe what he caught
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Speaker 2: kid Cuddy to say. He actually got him to say
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Speaker 2: that both he and Sean Colmes were quote played by Cassie.
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Speaker 4: I mean it was.
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Speaker 5: I guess it's the victim's fault again.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So now we have two guys that were dating Cassie,
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Speaker 1: to put it euphemistically.
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Speaker 5: And now we got played by her.
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Speaker 1: Forget the split lip and the plastic surgery on the
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Speaker 1: eye and the beatings they got played.
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Speaker 5: It's just so predictable. It's her fault. I forgot that.
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Speaker 5: Garret Goes needs to remind me of that again. So
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Speaker 5: the bat.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Lauren Comlin, When I left for the
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Speaker 1: studio early early this morning, I left my back door
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Speaker 1: open so the dog could go in and out. But
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Speaker 1: I certainly don't expect Seawn comes to come, PLoP himself
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Speaker 1: down and start opening presents and basically call and threaten
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Speaker 1: me saying.
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Speaker 5: I'm in your house. I'm in your housewoman, So I
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Speaker 5: don't care if the door was open, which of course
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Speaker 5: it was not.
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Speaker 1: None of that means any thing when it comes to
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Speaker 1: a burglary.
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Speaker 5: I want to get back to the fact.
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Speaker 1: Wow, what is Shawn comes clairvoyant? Because he brags I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna blow up Cutty's car.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna blow it up.
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Speaker 1: And then one month later bam, so Sean Combs is
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Speaker 1: what clairvoyant?
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Speaker 2: Listen, I know the job of defense attorneys, and I
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Speaker 2: have to say, we all, just as Layman's out there,
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Speaker 2: we knew what was going on. Most of us, we
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Speaker 2: pay attention to pop culture. We kind of knew about this.
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Speaker 2: But I felt like what Brian Steele was able to
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Speaker 2: get out of Kit Cutty in terms of, you know,
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Speaker 2: not having the exact proof that.
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Speaker 4: Diddy did this.
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Speaker 2: You know, we had everything else, We had everything within
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Speaker 2: the circumstance that he did this.
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Speaker 4: And Brian Steele again, you know, he did his job.
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Speaker 2: He got Kit Cutty to say that he was in
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Speaker 2: love with Cassie, and he got him to say that
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Speaker 2: he did feel on quote unquote played, which yes, was
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Speaker 2: victim blaming absolutely, But the fact that he got him
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Speaker 2: to say that, I felt like it elicited a few
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Speaker 2: little mini gasps in the court room.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so I'm confused here. I hear what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: but I don't see the primitive value of getting kid
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Speaker 1: Cuddy to say he loved Cassie.
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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't think that was very hard to do.
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Speaker 1: He obviously loved Cassie, so I don't see that as
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Speaker 1: a win win situation. In fact, that's why Combs wanted
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Speaker 1: to blow up his car because he loved Cassie. Kid
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Speaker 1: Cutty loved Cassie, and Cassie had feelings to Kid Cutty.
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Speaker 1: I think that helps the state. So what's the big score?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not getting it. And I know Steele.
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Speaker 1: He's a great lawyer. I know him and his wife.
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Speaker 1: So explain to me what's the big win?
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Speaker 5: Lauren Conlin, Well, I.
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Speaker 2: Would say, if I had to pick a defense win there,
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Speaker 2: it would be one for him to agree multiple times
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Speaker 2: that he felt like Cassie kind of pulled the wool
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Speaker 2: over his eyes because she wasn't totally honest with him
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Speaker 2: about her relationship with Colms. That would be one.
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Speaker 1: Do you think maybe it's because she didn't want another
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Speaker 1: no real nice way to say this ass whipping?
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Speaker 5: Did you think maybe that's why?
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, of course, listen, I am not arguing that.
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Speaker 2: I am just I'm just trying to pick out what
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Speaker 2: I feel like could be considered a defense when here.
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Speaker 2: So that was one okay, yeah, yeah, And then the
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Speaker 2: other one was him saying, well, you know there was
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Speaker 2: DNA pulled, you know, from the scene of your car
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Speaker 2: the molotov cocktailed.
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Speaker 4: Did the police ever tell you that this came from
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Speaker 4: a female?
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Speaker 2: And kid Cutty said no, they never shared that with me,
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Speaker 2: So it was kind of silent for a minute. And
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Speaker 2: also Brian Steele, I mean, he got up there and
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Speaker 2: he was complimenting Scott Meskutty, Kid Cutty. He he was
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Speaker 2: kind of making him smile and embarrassing him a little bit.
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Speaker 4: And at one point there was a sign far and yeah.
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Speaker 2: When they came back from the sidebar, kid Cutty even goes, oh,
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Speaker 2: mister Steele, I just want.
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Speaker 4: To clarify something for you, and.
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Speaker 2: The judge is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you
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Speaker 2: can't talk. And it was this whole moment because you know,
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Speaker 2: they all seem.
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Speaker 1: To have it, you know what Steele has that ability.
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Speaker 1: I always called it my Andy of Maybury Cross Exam,
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Speaker 1: where I want something out of the witness, but I
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Speaker 1: don't want to tear them to shreds. Okay, so I
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Speaker 1: think that's what Steele was using right there, and he's
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Speaker 1: very effective at that.
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Speaker 5: But I got another question.
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Speaker 1: So Shawn Combs's fingerprints and DNA were not on the
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Speaker 1: car that was blown up with a molotov one month after?
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Speaker 5: Did he threatened to blow it up? Okay? Sorry, not impressed.
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Speaker 5: I mean, do you really.
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Speaker 1: Think Shawn comes did he was going to run down
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Speaker 1: to the sip go or the Valero, would pump his
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Speaker 1: own gas into a container and make his own molotov.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't even clean up his own disgusting
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Speaker 1: hotel rooms that were covered with a baby oil slick.
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Speaker 5: He made somebody else do it. So of course his
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Speaker 5: DNA isn't there.
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Speaker 2: Well, and we and we heard that from George Kaplan
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Speaker 2: actually yesterday during his testimony, that he had to clean up.
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Speaker 4: Bab oil off the table, off the floor or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But I have a feeling, Nancy, that we are going
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Speaker 2: to hear possibly from the person who had to do
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Speaker 2: this for him, because I mean, at this point, I
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Speaker 2: guess it's like you have all the circumstances pointing to
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Speaker 2: Diddy being responsible for this, we just don't have a
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Speaker 2: paper trail and who knows that that's going to matter
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Speaker 2: in the end. Again, we're on the second week here,
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Speaker 2: so we've got a lot to get through. But I'm
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Speaker 2: very curious if we're going to see, you know, these
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Speaker 2: these bread prumbs leading to someone in his enterprise who
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Speaker 2: is responsible for this by his.
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Speaker 5: Directive Lauren Colin.
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Speaker 1: Also, when you don't know a horse, look at his
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Speaker 1: track record. If you don't know what happened in this case,
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Speaker 1: look what happened leading up to it. Sean comes makes
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Speaker 1: his cleanup crew clean up is disgusting, free cough and
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Speaker 1: pay the damages for the hotel. He makes his underlings
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Speaker 1: body guard chase dam on Cassie Ventura and physically dreh.
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Speaker 5: There you go. You need some deep cleaning now.
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Speaker 1: Man made his bodyguard go chase down Cassie and drag
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Speaker 1: her physically back to him.
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Speaker 5: He made his assistant go and try.
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Speaker 1: To make him get a false police report when Shawn
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Speaker 1: Colmes attacked his own female chef. I mean, it's always
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Speaker 1: making some other person do your dirty work. And Shawn
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Speaker 1: Colmbs never gets his own hands dirty. I guarantee you
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Speaker 1: he's not the one that threw that molotov. He had
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Speaker 1: somebody else do it, and that somebody else could very
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Speaker 1: well come into the courtroom and take the fifth and
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Speaker 1: tell all, do you think that's gonna happen?
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Speaker 2: Lauren Collin, Well, I don't know if you were aware,
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Speaker 2: but George Kaplan actually was set to take the fifth,
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Speaker 2: or so we thought. The last couple of days we
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Speaker 2: had heard this disgust in the courtroom, and then he
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Speaker 2: got immunity, and I believe this was for him testifying
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Speaker 2: about buying drugs for Shawn Colmes. And then we knew
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Speaker 2: that David Jayce also got a profit and got immunity.
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Speaker 2: So I am not surprised here. I feel like there
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Speaker 2: definitely will be more. However, however, I do want to
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Speaker 2: point this out, and I know you're not gonna like this, Nancy,
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Speaker 2: but both of the assistants, David James and George Kaplan,
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Speaker 2: they showed Didy respect.
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Speaker 4: They gave him a head nod. I mean George Kaplan
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Speaker 4: this morning before he got.
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Speaker 2: Off the stand, he actually talked about how, you know,
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Speaker 2: did he instilled certain worth work ethics in him that
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Speaker 2: he still uses today. I was a little confused about you.
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Speaker 5: You think I care who nodded?
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Speaker 1: And did he they're probably afraid their car is gonna
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Speaker 1: get bombed as soon as they drive away from the courthouse.
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Speaker 5: That means nothing to me.
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Speaker 1: All that matters to me is a true verdict and
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Speaker 1: has the state proven the offenses and the indicamond. There
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Speaker 1: can be all the head nodding you want, Lauren Colin,
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Speaker 1: don't care. Did he raging over last week's Tootsie Roll reveal?
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Speaker 5: Is what?
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Speaker 6: It's a complete control freak and then a sick of
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Speaker 6: us way. I think he's secretly enjoy it. And we're
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Speaker 6: all talking about day.
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Speaker 1: People keep asking the wrong questions about Cassie Ventura and
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Speaker 1: Shawn COM's aka Ditty's other sex trafficking victims. Everybody says
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Speaker 1: why did she stay instead of why did he beat her?
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Speaker 1: Why did he continue to make her participate in free
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Speaker 1: coughs over her objections? But now we see a very
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Speaker 1: very successful musical artist thrown in the mix and corroborating
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Speaker 1: what we know to be true. According to the state.
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Speaker 1: It's Kid Cuddy. Who is Kid Cuddy.
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Speaker 7: Scott Muscootie aka Kid Cuddy is signed to Kanye West's
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Speaker 7: label Good Music. In late two thousand and eight, after
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Speaker 7: his song Day and Night gains popularity on MySpace. Cuddie's
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Speaker 7: debut album on the Moon The End of the Day
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Speaker 7: shoots the rapper to fame, going quadruple platinum with additional
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Speaker 7: singles Make Her Say in Pursuit of Happiness.
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Speaker 4: Ms.
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Speaker 7: Goody also dabbles in film and television, guest starring in
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Speaker 7: several projects performing music and others, and starring in a
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Speaker 7: few feature films Need for Speed and Bill and Ted
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Speaker 7: Face the music.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to renowned psycho Alice. Joining us out of
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Speaker 1: la is doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 5: She's the author of deal Breakers.
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Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock and she s
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: I don't have to jog your memory with this, but
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Speaker 1: we've all seen the videos of room cleaners.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna circle.
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Speaker 1: Back to the disgusting day after free cough.
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Speaker 5: That did he paid to have cleaned up. My point
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Speaker 5: is he always has somebody else do his dirty work.
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Speaker 1: So I just heard Lauren Colin still there standing body
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Speaker 1: at the courthouse, say who Brian Steele, who's a very
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Speaker 1: good lawyer. I think really got a lot out of
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Speaker 1: kid cutting on cross that there was no fingerprint left
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Speaker 1: behind by Shawn Combs or Shawn Combs DNA. Really, it's
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Speaker 1: just like Shawn Comb's gonna go fill up at Valero
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Speaker 1: and try it over there and make a molotov and
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Speaker 1: a coke bottle and throw it himself. Yeah, that's not
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. He has his minions do everything, and I've
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Speaker 1: got example after example after example. So if he could
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Speaker 1: make a grown man throw a molotov, right, make a
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Speaker 1: grown man go buy drugs for him, make a grown
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Speaker 1: man clean up his baby oil and seamen, you don't
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Speaker 1: think he can make Cassie Ventura perform sex acts with
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Speaker 1: a male sex worker on video.
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Speaker 8: Really, of course, Nancy and all that trashed furniture, broken furniture, baby.
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Speaker 5: Oils, slick as you called it, all over the place.
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Speaker 8: He did that to people too, Okay, he trashed them
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Speaker 8: as well. The executive assistant got on the stand and
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Speaker 8: when the attorney quashed examined and said, well, why didn't
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Speaker 8: you just get the hotel staff to clean up the room,
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Speaker 8: he said, because he was trying to protect Ditty's image.
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Speaker 8: He knew that Ditty was menacing, threatening, intimidating, and that
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Speaker 8: if he did not protect his boss, he would be
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Speaker 8: in trouble too. That's why all of these guys are
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Speaker 8: nodding at p Ditty on the stand.
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Speaker 5: They are terrified of him.
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Speaker 8: So of course, of course, Passy Ventura is going to
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Speaker 8: have sex with somebody at Sean Ditty's direction.
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Speaker 5: She is why.
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Speaker 1: He just says something that actually turned my stomach.
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Speaker 5: And it's this.
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Speaker 1: I put so many rape victims, sex trafficking victims, I
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Speaker 1: thought victims on the stand, and when they come into
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Speaker 1: the courtroom, most of them don't even want to look
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Speaker 1: at the perpetrator.
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Speaker 5: They don't even want to look at them again.
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Speaker 1: And the few that summoned up the courage to look
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Speaker 1: at the man that raped them, that sodomized them, they
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Speaker 1: look almost meek and mile. I've seen them kind of acknowledged,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily nod, but acknowledge the rapist. They meet eyes,
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Speaker 1: and they really don't know how to act. So I
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Speaker 1: am not impressed at all by anyone that comes to
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Speaker 1: the courtroom and nods at DIDDI that means nothing to me.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Tom Smith joining me
19:37
Speaker 1: formern NYPD detective thirty years Narcotics robbery gang, and that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm interested in right now, Tom Smith, and he
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Speaker 1: is the star of the Gooldshieldshow dot com.
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Speaker 5: Tom, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Right before I left the DA's office to go to
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Speaker 1: court TV, a case I was working. I was going
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Speaker 1: to be a death penalty case where two little in
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Speaker 1: fi babies still in their layettes, right newborns.
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Speaker 5: So I recall they were baby girls.
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Speaker 1: Were with their mom in a two story apartment, and
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Speaker 1: it was a gang war, and the women in one
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Speaker 1: gang had gotten into an argument with the women in
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Speaker 1: the other gang whatever over some clothes.
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Speaker 5: So the game members show up. They make a molotov.
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Speaker 1: And as they throw it into the upstairs window where
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Speaker 1: the two infants newborns are laying, they say, quote, let's
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Speaker 1: fry them babies.
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Speaker 5: Fry them as in hot oil, fry them.
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Speaker 1: And they set the place on fire, and the babies
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Speaker 1: were burned alive.
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Speaker 5: They did not die of smoke inhalation.
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Speaker 1: Their short time on this earth ended when they were
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Speaker 1: burned alive. I had created a specialty of arson investigations.
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Speaker 5: And can I tell you there's nothing worse, nothing worse
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Speaker 5: then what happens to a burn victim.
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Speaker 1: I mean the deadly use of fire and a very
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Speaker 1: uncontrollable device such as a molotoph He needs to go
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Speaker 1: under the jail if he ordered this thing. Explain what
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Speaker 1: is a molotov and why is it so unpredictable?
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Speaker 9: Well, molotov cocktail is a bottle that's made with gasoline
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Speaker 9: in it, with a rag on it, that's lit on
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Speaker 9: fire and thrown. And the destructive part of it, like
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Speaker 9: you described, Nancy, is once it shatters, those flames go everywhere.
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Speaker 9: It just it is a broad area that is covered
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Speaker 9: by this Molotov cocktail that can ignite anything in its path.
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Speaker 9: And that's why they're so dangerous. And it doesn't surprise
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Speaker 9: me with this that Sean would have had a part
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Speaker 9: in this, because that's what criminal enterprise bosses do. They
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Speaker 9: order their little minions to do what they want and
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Speaker 9: they do them. And why it because of intimidation, because
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Speaker 9: of a power need. That's what's going on here and
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Speaker 9: that's what this old Rico case is about. Sean Comb's
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Speaker 9: running this organization and putting acts like this into motion
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Speaker 9: to intimidate anyone involved with another group or his group,
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Speaker 9: to make sure they stay in mind.
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Speaker 5: Well, you read my mind.
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Speaker 1: That's my next point of legal discussion, and that is
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Speaker 1: how kid Cuddy, who, according to Lauren Collin, I have
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Speaker 1: no reason to doubt her, was very affable and likable,
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Speaker 1: very even killed on the stand. That's good because that
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Speaker 1: makes the jury believe.
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Speaker 5: Him and like him.
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Speaker 1: If someone is irritating or just you know, agonizing to
22:42
Speaker 1: listen to, the jury tunes out.
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Speaker 5: But Cuddy was a great witness for the state.
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Speaker 1: But Troy Slayton joining me, renowned criminal defense attorney, very wily,
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Speaker 1: joining me out of la at Slayton Lawyers, Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 1: Don't you just love it when your client, your defendant,
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Speaker 1: your criminal defendant, is also clairvoyant, Because you remember, of course,
23:09
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson said this, this is gonna be my first
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Speaker 1: Christmas without my wife.
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Speaker 10: She died.
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Speaker 5: I'm a widower at BAM.
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Speaker 1: Two weeks later she was dead and he was a widower.
23:21
Speaker 1: And then let's see Oj Simpson Orenthal, James Simpson. That's
23:24
Speaker 1: a great example. He had a dream where he.
23:28
Speaker 5: Murdered Nicole Brown, a clairvoyant dream.
23:33
Speaker 1: And here it is again. Sean com says, thirty days
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Speaker 1: before I'm a blow up Cutty's car, his Porsche it's gone,
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Speaker 1: and believe it or not, just a few short days later,
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Speaker 1: kid Cutty's.
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Speaker 5: Car blows up by molotov.
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Speaker 6: Hmm, well, Nancy, prosecutors didn't charge him with using a
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Speaker 6: Molotov cocktail, using a destructive device, and the statute of
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Speaker 6: limitations on that would have run out in like twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 6: Because this allegedly happened in twenty ten, twenty eleven, all
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Speaker 6: the statutes of limitation would have run.
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Speaker 1: Out twenty five indictment prosecutors state quote Comb's quote relied
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Speaker 1: on employees, resources, influence of a multifaceted business empire he
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Speaker 1: controlled and attempted to engage and among so many others,
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking, forced labor, kidnapping, Our.
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Speaker 5: Sun put him up.
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Speaker 6: So those are those are.
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Speaker 5: It is part of the indictment. So Jurassic erase.
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Speaker 1: You want to start over, you want a little do over,
24:42
Speaker 1: because he is charged with that.
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Speaker 6: They're alleging that. And what executors way way over charge
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Speaker 6: this case. And that's why his lawyers are confident that
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Speaker 6: the government is going to lose in this case. Because
24:54
Speaker 6: for racketeering rico, which normally is charged against mob bosses,
24:59
Speaker 6: big minal mobster organizations. They have to prove that all
25:03
Speaker 6: of these things were part of advancing the Diddy organization.
25:08
Speaker 6: So to make TV shows, he had to have arson.
25:12
Speaker 6: In order to produce records, he had to blow up
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Speaker 6: a car or have freak offs. I think what the
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Speaker 6: problem here is, Oh my gosh, news.
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Speaker 5: Alert reducing records. Charged with trug. He's not charged with that.
25:29
Speaker 5: This guy is following. Actually he is charged.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking right at it, but I do respect something
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Speaker 1: you just did.
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Speaker 5: When you got busted.
25:38
Speaker 1: You immediately came up with a brand new argument that
25:41
Speaker 1: takes a lot of skill.
25:43
Speaker 5: Slate.
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Speaker 1: He's obsess the tootsy roll, the size of a tipsy roll.
25:50
Speaker 5: Et bdddy et bddity, the tootsy roll Sewan comes is
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Speaker 5: tutsi roll.
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Speaker 1: We are alive at the courthouse, bringing you the latest
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Speaker 1: in the United States versus Sean in a multi count
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Speaker 1: federal indictment. Joining me an all star panel to Sidney
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Speaker 1: Sumner very quickly, Sydney Crime Stories, investigative reporter. We are
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Speaker 1: hearing the state laying a foundation. This is why Kid
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Speaker 1: Cutty's testimony is so important. He's not just a pretty face,
26:17
Speaker 1: He's not just a talented musical artist. But he is
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Speaker 1: laying a keystone, a keystone for the state sex trafficking
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Speaker 1: and reco criminal Enterprise case. Now, we heard Cuddy on
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Speaker 1: the stand talking about the molotov right blowing up his car.
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Speaker 1: There were other assistants that did Seawan Comb's bidding. But
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Shawn Combs continuing to
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Speaker 1: call kid Cuddy long after he and Ventiro had broken up?
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lynn Shaw joining me, founder direct of
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Speaker 1: Land's Warriors, a nonprofit dedicated to ending sex attacks and
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking. Lynn, can you really visualize Sean Comb's doing
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Speaker 1: his own dirty work? You think he was over at
27:15
Speaker 1: the quick stop getting the gas and making them molotov
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Speaker 1: and throwing it atbl n Are you surprised? I mean,
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Speaker 1: does of high powered pimp do all the beatings of
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Speaker 1: the women?
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Speaker 5: Does he he go buy the drugs to keep them high? No,
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Speaker 5: he has millions to do that.
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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, I'm here in New York City and for
27:35
Speaker 11: years they've been known as Dirty Diddy Disciples. I am
27:38
Speaker 11: not kidding When I use Dirty Diddy, that's what on
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Speaker 11: the street. That's what women would report back to me
27:44
Speaker 11: men as well, you know, and I also want to
27:46
Speaker 11: point out I think, I hope we hear about it
27:49
Speaker 11: over the course of this whole trial. There were lots
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Speaker 11: of women involved that helped him as well. These guys
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Speaker 11: never get their hands dirty. They're in control. I am
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Speaker 11: hoping our focus at the Warriors is, Oh, he's victims survivors.
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Speaker 11: I hope, Nancy, I'm so afraid. I want these sex
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Speaker 11: trafficking charges to stick. I hope they're laying out for
28:08
Speaker 11: this reco case, for this engaging in prostitution across state.
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Speaker 11: I hope because we have so many victims right now
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Speaker 11: looking at this reporting back to me what's going on.
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Speaker 1: They can't watch something earlier Linshaw about all of the
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Speaker 1: minions that did Shawn Comes bidding. And when we first
28:26
Speaker 1: started investigating this case and covering it, I and many
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Speaker 1: of you on the panel predicted that there would be
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Speaker 1: codefendants turned witnesses, and that is exactly what we're seeing
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Speaker 1: right now. People that do Shawn Comes is bidding. Why
28:41
Speaker 1: is it important? Because that is what a criminal enterprise is. Again,
28:45
Speaker 1: think about Tony Soprano. You saw the Sopranos right on HBOS.
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Speaker 5: Streaming right now.
28:49
Speaker 1: Still Soprano ran the organization, but there are all sorts
28:52
Speaker 1: of people working in for him and around him in
28:56
Speaker 1: his criminal enterprise. One would sell stolen items TVs VCRs.
29:02
Speaker 1: Another would be charge of pimping running a strip bar.
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Speaker 1: Another would launder money. They all were part of the
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Speaker 1: criminal enterprise. Now we see former assistant George Kaplan on
29:14
Speaker 1: the stand. Now talk about an unindicted co conspirator.
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Speaker 5: That would be him. Listen.
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Speaker 10: Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up
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Speaker 10: drugs for his famous boss. Kaplin says Sean Combs gave
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Speaker 10: him cash and a phone number to.
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Speaker 1: Call crime stories with Nancy Grace, So Shawn Combs could
29:44
Speaker 1: talk a grown man into going and buying his drugs
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Speaker 1: for him.
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Speaker 5: No wonder this went down in the courtroom. Listen.
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Speaker 12: Diddy's former assistant, George Kaplan takes the stand. Kaplan tells
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Speaker 12: the judge he is only here because of a subpoena
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Speaker 12: and he plans to invoc his Fifth Amendment right. Judge
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Speaker 12: super money and grants Kaplin immunity. The deal does not
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Speaker 12: cover perjury.
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Speaker 1: So in order to get his testimony, Kaplan is given immunity.
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Speaker 5: What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: It means he cannot be prosecuted for anything he testifies
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Speaker 1: to on the stand, including going and buying ecstasy MDMA,
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Speaker 1: and god only knows what else. So he talks a
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Speaker 1: grown man into buying drugs. Let's see a little snippet
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Speaker 1: of all the drugs seized that Shawn comes mansion. Now
30:32
Speaker 1: we know that Frank Black was a name, a pseudonym
30:37
Speaker 1: used to check Sean comes in and out of hotel rooms.
30:42
Speaker 1: Also used to get fake prescriptions, which is illegal. You
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Speaker 1: think that Shawn comes rolled up in his suv to
30:53
Speaker 1: the CVS or the Dwayne Read or the Walgreens and
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Speaker 1: god his own stuff.
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Speaker 5: No, uh huh, there had to ammanion. Listen.
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Speaker 10: Former assistant George Kaplan testifies that on Comb's or chief
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Speaker 10: of staff Christina Korum's instructions, he traveled ahead of Combs
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Speaker 10: to set up his lodging, often asked to book under
31:12
Speaker 10: the name Frank Black.
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Speaker 5: Caplan says the.
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Speaker 10: First time he was asked to set up Comb's accommodations,
31:17
Speaker 10: he was given a prepared bag to unpack. It contained clothes,
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Speaker 10: a speaker, candles, liquor, baby oil, and astroglide. On subsequent roomstocks,
31:27
Speaker 10: Caplan says he often purchased baby oil and astroglide on
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Speaker 10: his company credit card.
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Speaker 5: Okay, legal objection ew okay.
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton Shawn Holmes convinced Caplan to perform crimes for
31:42
Speaker 1: him buying drugs, get illegal drugs such as MDMA, also
31:49
Speaker 1: convinced him to get prescription drugs under a fake name,
31:53
Speaker 1: where Slaton also a crime. So now he is talking
31:59
Speaker 1: his and to buying his astro glide, lubricant, his baby oil,
32:08
Speaker 1: his candles, his liquor, all of that and importantly critically
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Speaker 1: using the company credit card choice latent well.
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Speaker 6: Buy an astro glide, although it may sound gross in
32:20
Speaker 6: this situation, not illegal. Buying drugs, yes, illegal, but that
32:25
Speaker 6: doesn't make a rico case. The government still has to
32:28
Speaker 6: prove the purchasing the drugs was to advance the criminal enterprise,
32:35
Speaker 6: was to advance his business interest. His legitimate business interested.
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Speaker 5: Too, all those drugs himself.
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Speaker 1: No, that was being dropped in the woman's drinks. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you need to go back to law school, man and
32:46
Speaker 1: take a refresher course on rico. Rico is anything any
32:52
Speaker 1: act that advances a crime, and the crimes have to
32:55
Speaker 1: be laid out in the end diament, which they are.
32:56
Speaker 1: I've already read them to you. I'll read them again.
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Speaker 1: We're asking for labor, kidnapping, a stressing.
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Speaker 6: Those are all terrible things, but that doesn't make rico.
33:06
Speaker 6: You have to prove what he is saying.
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Speaker 1: Diddy was using all those drugs for he'd be dead
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Speaker 1: if he took them all.
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Speaker 5: He was fading them to these women and their drinks.
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Speaker 1: What do you think the astrogline the baby oles for
33:18
Speaker 1: for a sreat call according to these women against their
33:20
Speaker 1: will and bringing in male sex workers from another state
33:23
Speaker 1: that is against the law.
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Speaker 6: Recoparent, that would be that that's sex trafficking. So we're
33:30
Speaker 6: mixing up two different things there, Nancy, you know that
33:32
Speaker 6: those are separate.
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Speaker 1: Also the environment, Yes, but you're the one who said
33:36
Speaker 1: had nothing.
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Speaker 5: To do with it. It has everything to do with it,
33:39
Speaker 5: just like the baby oil.
33:40
Speaker 6: Just because somebody is having a rock star is having
33:43
Speaker 6: a drug fueled party, doesn't mean that they're guilty of rico.
33:48
Speaker 5: Of racketeering.
33:49
Speaker 6: That's what's used for for mobsters that are trying to
33:55
Speaker 6: use trying to sell drugs and use those things to
33:58
Speaker 6: make money.
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Speaker 10: Cassie said Combs wanted her glistening at all times and
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Speaker 10: had her reapply heated baby oil as often as every
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Speaker 10: five minutes, and during one performance, even made her get
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Speaker 10: into a.
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Speaker 5: Kiddie pool of baby oil.
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Speaker 10: Afterwards, staff members were charged with cleaning up but with
34:15
Speaker 10: baby oil and bodily fluids all over the floors, walls,
34:19
Speaker 10: and door handles. Combs was frequently charged for damages to
34:23
Speaker 10: hotel rooms, negotiations handled by Combe's assistants.
34:26
Speaker 5: Again, legal objection ew all.
34:29
Speaker 1: Right to doctor Bethany Marshall, let's see that video of
34:33
Speaker 1: the literally Dixie dumpster going down the.
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Speaker 5: Hallway of the hotel.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna need a lot of chlorox to clean
34:43
Speaker 1: this room, doctor Bethany, how do you convince grown men
34:48
Speaker 1: and women to do your illegal bidding and clean up
34:52
Speaker 1: your bodily fluids, your sperm, your baby oil, your astroglide,
34:58
Speaker 1: and they do.
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Speaker 11: It your dildo, all of it, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: Probably what he did is he started out being super
35:04
Speaker 8: charming with them, pretending to be their friend, buying them gifts,
35:08
Speaker 8: pretending to advance their interests in some way, and once
35:12
Speaker 8: he gained their trust, he would send them out on
35:15
Speaker 8: some criminal act. Once they committed the criminal act, now
35:18
Speaker 8: they were stuck and could not get away.
35:20
Speaker 5: Isn't it true, Cydney Summer.
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Speaker 1: That sworn testimony is that Shawn Colmes tried to bribe
35:27
Speaker 1: a security guy.
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Speaker 3: That's correct, Nancy. He tried to hand this security guard
35:32
Speaker 3: a stack of money as big as his hand to
35:37
Speaker 3: leave them alone and to just drop the whole situation
35:40
Speaker 3: and not get Cassie Ventura out of that Intercontinental Hotel room.
35:44
Speaker 1: So Tom Smith, a former NYPD star of Goalshields podcast
35:47
Speaker 1: Tom Smith, I guess it's just a diddy world and
35:49
Speaker 1: we all live in in it because all these people
35:53
Speaker 1: are so afraid or have their careers at stake, they
35:55
Speaker 1: go along with it. It will be a cold day
35:58
Speaker 1: in HTL that I would go to clean up somebody
36:00
Speaker 1: else's bodily fluids unless my children threw it.
36:03
Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen. But all these people just went
36:06
Speaker 5: along to get along.
36:08
Speaker 9: And it's influence and it's his power that controlled them.
36:12
Speaker 9: What can he do for them in the future, How
36:14
Speaker 9: can he propel their jobs, their careers anything like that.
36:19
Speaker 9: That all is involved in this power trip that he
36:22
Speaker 9: was on. And like you know, Nancy, once you get
36:24
Speaker 9: away with it a little bit, you keep pushing the
36:27
Speaker 9: envelope to the next level, to the next level, and
36:30
Speaker 9: that's where you get into this crime boss that he
36:32
Speaker 9: is of controlling people with intimidation, with acts of violence
36:37
Speaker 9: and so forth. And it's just all part of Sean
36:40
Speaker 9: diddy Combe's persona and his personality of being this boss.
36:45
Speaker 1: That's right, It's Diddy's world and we're all just living
36:49
Speaker 1: in it. Not right now, Shawn Combs in a federal
36:53
Speaker 1: courthouse being charged and being tried for a multi count
36:56
Speaker 1: federal indictment.
36:57
Speaker 5: And what Rico means, which is the.
36:59
Speaker 1: Main major prize for the state, is that Shawn comes
37:03
Speaker 1: headed up a criminal enterprise involving many, many crimes including arson,
37:09
Speaker 1: blowing up kid Cuddy's car. That is why Cuddy is
37:14
Speaker 1: so important to this case. And Sidney Sumner.
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Speaker 5: In a nutshell.
37:20
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we're going to see hitch person. Christina Korum,
37:24
Speaker 1: she is accused. She denies it all of recruiting women
37:28
Speaker 1: for free coughs, standing witness to a gang rape, trying
37:31
Speaker 1: to place an IUD and a victim.
37:35
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is she denies it all. But just
37:39
Speaker 5: like these other assistants.
37:41
Speaker 1: So many people were doing his bidding because they were
37:45
Speaker 1: afraid well, and.
37:46
Speaker 3: We've heard from other employees, anonymous sources who have not
37:50
Speaker 3: been on the stand, that many of them believed Christina
37:53
Speaker 3: Korum was in love with Sean Combs and did a
37:56
Speaker 3: lot of the things she did because of that. Other
37:59
Speaker 3: employees say, I've seen a Quorum threw them under the bus,
38:02
Speaker 3: made things that may have not been their fault look
38:06
Speaker 3: like their fault, so that she looked like the most
38:08
Speaker 3: capable person on his staff that he could always trust
38:11
Speaker 3: and always come to. George Caplan even testified that he
38:15
Speaker 3: told Christino Quorum about the physical abuse he saw between
38:19
Speaker 3: Combs and Kathy as his reason for putting, and Quorum
38:23
Speaker 3: was sad and disappointed that that was something that he witnessed,
38:27
Speaker 3: But she understood why he left and that was the
38:30
Speaker 3: end of it. There was no conversation about, well, what
38:34
Speaker 3: did you see? Should we talk to the police, should
38:36
Speaker 3: we do No. Her loyalty was to Combs, and she
38:40
Speaker 3: hoped that George Caplan would have discretion about what he saw.
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Speaker 5: You hear that, Troy Slayton, it's the death nail. It's
38:51
Speaker 5: the death nail.
38:53
Speaker 1: Kid Cutty's testimony and the testimony of all these other assistants.
38:58
Speaker 5: The Nail and the coffin the death knel. For Diddy, it.
39:03
Speaker 6: Might be Nancy, but the government is still going to
39:06
Speaker 6: have to weave together all these disparate dots and tie
39:11
Speaker 6: it together to show that this was an overarching grand
39:14
Speaker 6: conspiracy to further a criminal enterprise. And I think we're
39:20
Speaker 6: going to hear a lot from Diddy's attorneys when it
39:22
Speaker 6: comes time for his defense to put on their presentation.
39:25
Speaker 1: Well, you're right, Slaton. I don't know why they've got
39:28
Speaker 1: out their slaves, but you're absolutely right. In the state
39:30
Speaker 1: better be ready. We remember an American hero, Deputy share
39:33
Speaker 1: of Hunter Ready, just twenty seven, shot and killed in
39:37
Speaker 1: the line of duty, leaving behind beautiful young wife Bettina
39:42
Speaker 1: and their children Brantley, Caden, and Katie. American hero Deputy
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Speaker 1: Shareff Hunter Ready Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend
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Speaker 3: By