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#194 - Patrick Bet-David vs 20 Anti-Capitalists | Who Won the Debate? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Patrick David just went on the Jubilee show and debated against 20 anti-capitalists.
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  It was very interesting to watch.
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  Did Patrick David, did he hold his own against these people that are defending
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  mostly communist positions? Not all of them were, but some of them were.
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  And is there any middle ground that we can find between these two?
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  Do you have to be one or the other, either full-blown capitalist or full-blown communist? this.
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  The woman that's on your screen, she's been on a few Jubilee videos that I've seen.
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  She's actually really good at defending her position.
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  I could see her becoming a big name in the future years.
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  So one thing I would say just to start off with about her is I hope she stays
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  reasonable or even gets a little bit more reasonable because she is very good
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  at articulating her positions.
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  But some things I think she can go off the deep end if she's not careful.
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  I just wanted to say that at the front because I think she could be very good
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  at what she does going forward, but stay reasonable.
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  All right, let's take a look at this. This was in the middle of a heated exchange
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  with her that Patrick and David had, and he's defending that capitalist position.
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  But did she bring some actually good ideas to the point?
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  And was Patrick, was he maybe deflecting a little bit and not wanting to answer
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  any of her questions? and that things like food and shelter can be free.
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  How old were you the first time you thought you wanted to be a communist?
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  How old were you the first time? Is that a response to any of the statistics?
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  No, because the statistics are against you. The statistics- It's never worked.
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  It's never- There's so many Cubans
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  that moved to Miami. They love their country. They hate the politics.
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  In Russia, they even run away from communism because it didn't work.
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  It killed so many people. Because that almost like it wasn't communist.
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  It's almost amateurish to debate a communist. Yes, there was. Was there classless?
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  It's almost like you're not replying to any of the statistics that I've presented
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  to you. I think that's the biggest problem.
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  You're a dictator telling me what dreams should be. Dictators would not be allowed under communism.
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  Dictators end up, of course, running communism. But they weren't.
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  If somebody... All right, just right there, like, dictators would not be allowed
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  in communism. Like, what?
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  That doesn't make too much sense at all right there. So some of the things she's...
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  All right, let me... Where I'm coming from is...
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  I think there's always a pendulum swing that everybody, a reaction,
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  wherever there's a reaction, there's going to be a major hyper reaction,
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  an overreaction to the, on the other side.
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  And I think people get so stuck in their ways that you have to be either I'm
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  tethered and tied to communism or I'm tied to capitalism.
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  Whereas is there a little bit of a gray area? Is there a little like some middle
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  ground that people can meet?
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  Because I think both of them have valid points.
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  Communism, I think in a utopia and an idealist,
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  idyllic world that we, if we had like, cause I mean, if we just take this back
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  to the Bible and it seems like even the first, like the first early church that
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  they had a tendency towards, let's all get it together and put all our money in.
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  We all, everybody, there's not really relinquishing a property.
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  And I get that, but it all starts with, if you have goodwill,
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  if P, if there's, if there's goodwill within, within human beings,
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  we can, it could maybe carry out and actually be actually work in this world.
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  But we live in a fallen world. We live in a very terrible, like gruesome world
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  at times that people don't have good hearts.
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  We don't have good hearts. So I think there are things that we can pull from
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  the communist side, as well as the capitalist side.
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  And I, I, this is, uh, I want to continue on what they're saying.
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  But just to point that out, that her saying there's not going to be any dictators,
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  that doesn't really make any sense because any communist regime.
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  If you go full-blown communist, that's what happens.
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  That's what happens. And he does get into where he's trying to question her,
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  is China a communist place?
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  And he's not answering her questions. She's not answering his questions.
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  And so there's like, we're not
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  going to like discover oil or like make any awesome discoveries from this.
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  But like it does point out the glaring things that are obviously wrong with
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  both positions when things are
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  being called out this quick. But I want to continue what they're saying.
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  He's taxing 100%. What is a dictatorship?
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  So again, how much money do you think? If I'm paying 100% in taxes,
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  what is communism? How much money do you think? That's dictatorship.
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  How much money do you think would it take to, I don't know, allow everyone food,
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  shelter, water, and education in this country?
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  How much money would it take? Yeah. But going back to your question here.
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  He's not going to answer that. He ain't going to answer that.
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  And she's not answering his questions because, like, I know they only got,
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  like, 20 seconds or 30 seconds they're out there, so they're both trying to,
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  like, hammer home at the most important things.
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  Her more so because she's on the hot seat. He's not really on the hot seat because
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  she's the one that's going to be voted out, but she's going to be voted out
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  by people that like the communist position.
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  But this—I really wanted to dive into this because—,
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  I know people think, because I agree with capitalism.
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  My come to Jesus moment with capitalism, it sounds silly, but it was when I
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  was looking at different pairs of socks, different pairs of socks,
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  and it made me think, if people make socks, there's going to be somebody out
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  there that's going to want to make a better pair of socks.
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  And it's a game to see who can make the best of something and have that incentive,
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  and have that incentive.
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  Because I think as human beings, we we are naturally if we aren't prodded,
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  sometimes we will become lazy.
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  And if everything belongs to everybody, we're not going to treat it like it's special.
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  So there are arguments definitely for capitalism. And I would lean definitely
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  towards more capitalism.
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  But if we put regulations in place, ideas of communism and people not being.
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  I think that the universal basic income should be fully on the table.
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  And not this pie in the sky thing that people just talk about, but it actually should.
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  Politicians ain't going to get anything done. It seems like unless you get someone
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  crazy in there, crazy in there that cares about these things.
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  Donald Trump, he's in there, but he's fiercely capitalistic.
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  And the people that are fiercely capitalistic are the people that have it all
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  together. And they got it.
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  They got their billions of dollars. They got their millions of dollars.
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  They got their businesses and they're running.
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  They understand what is going to incentivize people and how to make their,
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  they know how to grease the wheel so that their businesses keep going and thriving.
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  But if we look at it just from a different perspective, the people are at the bottom.
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  So it's this argument from the bottom to the top. And it's like,
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  can we find out some common ground between these?
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  Why do we have to have one or the other? You're either capitalist or you're communist.
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  Why can't we pull from both? good ideas
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  from both and not just say because it because
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  communism has wrecked civilizations it
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  is terrible in a lot of ways you know communism i think that tony montana tony
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  montana wanted to escape communism he wanted to come from cuba to miami to the
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  united states without jimmy carter jimmy carter you know but like at the end
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  of the day like there's good ideas in both but the human heart,
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  the human heart will, will wreck things and tear like,
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  and just torch things at on the Capitol to the side, as well as on the communist side.
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  If, if you give absolute power to someone, to a person, a regular person,
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  they're going to corrupt it because we are all, we are all depraved and sinful.
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  We will like fall to the lowest common denominator given the opportunity because
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  we are selfish by nature.
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  But like, there should be things of the ideas of communism.
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  That's why I want to almost bring to the table, like, let's pull those things.
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  Because she brings a lot of good ideas and good arguments is what she says.
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  And Patrick, he has his talking points and he stays on them.
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  He doesn't really answer any of her questions.
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  Some of the things are out there, are outlandish, that we should be able to quickly, quickly see.
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  But I just want to bring up the, this is a, because we always have where it's
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  like on one society, they want something, it happens, it fails.
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  And then we just go so far on the opposite way.
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  And then it's just unrecognizable. And then we just swing back and forth and back and forth.
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  And that's all we're doing all day long, as opposed to let's be reasonable.
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  And I think Patrick, he's definitely reasonable. And I think she is as well.
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  They're coming from two different perspectives.
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  I'd actually like to see them actually have a conversation and not just want to win an argument.
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  If it's all about winning an argument and making somebody look stupid,
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  I know it's funny and all,
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  but I mean, there are things that we could pull from both people's ideas and
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  get to some real common sense solutions to the issues that we are having in the United States.
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  Because we are the best country on the planet, you know, I would say.
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  But there is going to be this massive crash if we're not careful because if
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  we just take capitalism to the far ends of where it leads to,
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  it's going to crash and crumble because the people at the bottom,
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  the boomers have ruined it in a lot of ways.
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  Not like them as individual people, but that generation has ruined it for Gen
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  Z and the generations that are following because people can't afford things.
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  They're having to buy now or buy now, pay later for everything.
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  And so it's people can't afford a house. People can't just afford general things
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  that they need, that there's going to be a massive reaction.
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  So the capitalist diehards that are out there, you better put your head on and
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  actually let's figure some things out.
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  People don't, these exorbitant amounts of money that, you know,
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  Elon Musk, the huge billionaires out there.
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  I think that's great. Go ahead and have that, you know, but just saying that,
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  well, let's tax them. I think policies need to be put in place that just give
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  universal basic income to everybody, citizens of the United States.
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  We don't need to be taken from the rich, but actually let's just give to the
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  people that don't have as much and raise them up. We don't need to pull people up from the top down.
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  Our direction shouldn't be pulling people down, but our direction should be
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  always pulling people up.
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  And if that should be, give people a universal basic income that they can live
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  and then they have that foundation, and then they can go out there and be gangbusters,
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  creative, and build things.
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  That's where we should go as a society. Come together from both ends.
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  Otherwise, we are going to crumble.
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  Because if you go in one or two directions, it's going to fail eventually.
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  All right. Either way, follow me on X and Instagram at Brandon Fogle. Have a good day.